Too Late For What If… ?


Nothing I’m writing here is anything more than speculation. I have nothing factual to back up what I’m presenting, so it’s merely a thought exercise, something to keep me occupied while my daughter attends a vigil held for yesterday’s terror victims.

I recall the public discussions of the early 1960s regarding letting more Arabs (as all Muslims were known by Americans back then) enter the US. Public opinion was extremely strong in support of Israel (this was pre-1967 and the dastardly attack upon the USS Liberty), and the media heavily covered Israel as David to the Arab Goliath. Therefore, there was a certain amount of general opposition to the idea.

It was about this same time that I first heard about the Suez Crisis. The UK and France wanted to do to Egypt (over the nationalization of the Suez Canal) what the US and UK did to Iran (over the nationalization of the oil fields). President Eisenhower threatened to wage economic warfare against the UK in particular to get both nations to back down.

No one acted when the US and UK toppled the government of Mossedegh, installed the much-hated Shah, and ensured that Iranian oil only made Western oil companies incredibly wealthy. This coup d’etat remains one of the reasons Western Powers are seen as enemies of Islam.

There are so many alternate realities which come to mind. One of these is: what if Egypt had oil, and France and the UK intended to take those assets over. Would Eisenhower have acted to prevent taking over the Egyptian oil reserves? I’m inclined to say no.

But there is another alternate reality I’m currently interested in. What if the US and the European nations chose to isolate Islamia no later than the time of the Suez Crisis, and do without the oil produced there?

I raise this thought via pondering how the tribal cultures of Islamia seem to have incredible difficulties adapting to or tolerating the societal sophistication of the remainder of the world, hating us all for being so radically different from their people.

We living outside of Islamia have our various issues with religion and our ways of life, but we (for the most part) aren’t letting the thoughts of Bronze Age tribalism interfere too much with our lives. Depending on which aspects one looks at, this can be good or bad.

I may be merely showing my ignorance, but what I know about Islamic peoples tells me that their 7th Century religion dominates all else. I suspect that having heavy machine guns mounted on Toyota pick up trucks, and toting AK-47s and iPhones, and using the Internet to wage war, are all OK as long as it is all used in the “service” of their religion. Otherwise, they would not be “halal”.

But what if all of these things were not available?

What if modern military weapons were denied them?

What if modern communications technologies stopped at their frontiers?

What if modern transportation left them isolated and unable to travel far or fast?

What if they weren’t welcome outside of their own borders?

The most fundamental Islamists of current times denounce our culture while using it against us. It appears to me that we are all expected by these fundamentalists to abandon all scientific and technological advances so as to facilitate a return to a state of religious purity (as they define it).

What influence or power could they wield if they weren’t ready world airline travellers with advanced degrees from Western colleges and billions in oil revenue? Could they have the economic resources to fund radical militants in other nations, used to keep us frightened enough of potential attack that their manipulation goes unanswered? Would Saudis now be major shareholders in FOX and Citibank, among many other US corporations?

We’ll never know. Someone rubbed the lamp and let loose the evil Jinn within. The 30 pieces of silver received for that service only whetted the appetite for more of the same, and those monies made the current situation inevitable.

While attribution for the quote about capitalists selling the rope used to hang them goes to either Lenin or Stalin, the West seems to have sold cheaply the ability for such militant religionists to use our advances against us. Our traditions of freedom and liberty leave huge holes for the fanatical to harm us. Any alterations we make in our laws only moves things in the direction they already desire. It almost seems as if we don’t have any good options now.

I don’t currently have any answers to the questions I pose. I only note that what solutions are derived will be incredibly costly – and not just in lost lives.

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28 comments on “Too Late For What If… ?
  1. I have often wondered about this too, if any of this would be happening at all had not our thirst for petrol led to a huge cash infusion into those cultures. And what of the Ir@q output over the past 15 years? Who is overseeing that? Who is profiting? I highly doubt they were all just shut down. Who is pumping the wells?

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  2. Not to sound conspir@cy-ish. Just something I wonder about. Surely if we can invent phones more powerful than a desktop a few years ago, it must be possible to either make fuel use so efficient demand tanks and the big $$$ is gone or we come up w something else altogether. It must be possible. Why is it not happening?

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Blurkel,
    In reference to Mossedegh, the Shah was always there. It’s that pwere was transferred from the Prime Minister to the Shah.
    Our country has done a lot of underhanded things without the knowledge or consent of the people. It seems that most, in the long run, have backfired. Perhaps we should avoud ill counselled meddling.

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  4. Liz says:

    Any review of the history of the middle east cannot ignore the fact that Cold War politics colored most every decision at the time. The USSR was a serious threat. They had their middle eastern satellite countries, and we had ours. If we didn’t protect our oil supplies they’d move in. Started directly after the second world war when they refused to leave Iran and began trying to install their own puppet government. This was their modus operandi.

    Both sides of the Cold War saw eye to eye on the Iranian revolution and subsequent Islamic government though. They knew the Islamo fascist dictatorship was a threat to everyone, especially after they took over the Fao peninsula in the war with Iraq. It’s one thing just about the entire world saw eye to eye on. Remember, Iraq was essentially a Soviet Satellite country at that time. Iran had been ours, prior to the revolution.

    What would the Middle East look like today without oil money? About like Africa.

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  5. Liz says:

    “And what of the Ir@q output over the past 15 years? Who is overseeing that? Who is profiting? I highly doubt they were all just shut down. Who is pumping the wells?”

    Iraq auctioned off its oil fields in 2009, to private companies. No US oil companies won the bids though. The foreign oil companies don’t have actual control over Iraqi reserves, but were awarded service contracts lasting 20 years. Essentially the oil remains the property of the Iraqi state, and the foreign companies who won the bids pump it for a fixed price per barrel.
    Not sure how this has all panned out with security concerns in the area.

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  6. Liz says:

    “Surely if we can invent phones more powerful than a desktop a few years ago, it must be possible to either make fuel use so efficient demand tanks and the big $$$ is gone or we come up w something else altogether. It must be possible. Why is it not happening?”

    I think that if people paid at the pump what the actual cost is to taxpayers, this would have happened long ago. Since the costs are mostly indirect, they don’t see them. But some things have changed quite a lot since the second Gulf War. They do have hybrid cars now, and are working on better, more cost effective fracking techniques. The problem is, overhead costs are huge and direct, and since the price of fuel has to be commenserate, the profit incentive to find a serious alternative isn’t there yet.

    I’d bet DARPA has a lot of great ideas companies would put to use in the private industry if and when there is a real profit incentive to those alternatives.

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  7. SFC Ton says:

    For the record the Shaw wasn’t much hated and was very Western. He was a strongman type ruler which hajjis get off on, but not beloved by all because he was secular and opposed shria law. Letting the Shaw fall was fucking stupid.

    Gota friend who spent a lot of time in Iran, got out on one of the last flights and has photos of himself with the Shaw

    never believe what the history books or media has to say about things.

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  8. Liz says:

    Agreed the Shah was ousted because he was too western.
    The Aytollahs have killed more and jailed more Iranians every year since 1979 than the Shah did in his entire reign.

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  9. SFC Ton says:

    lots of extremely fuel efficient cars have hit the market. thing is they suck and no one wants them or are extremely expensive and not affordable

    the law of thermo dynamics is a mother fucker, same for Newtons laws

    propane cars and sugar based ethanol would do wonders like down in Brazil but the usa govt decided it would be corn based ethanol or nothing and corn based ethanol is not very effective.

    I reckon the big issue in the middle east is the White man got away colonialist ideals.

    lord and emperor of the West Ton would sit down with the ChiComs and Putin, divide the world in thirds and do the old school colonial power thing.

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  10. SFC Ton says:

    The Shaw and whats his name fro Chile are fake bad guys.

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  11. My car gets over 35 mpg, is not a hybrid, and is super fun to drive — like a go cart. Looks comically small from the outside but actually seats four comfortably. I love that car! I used to drive a SUV, 14 mpg. When has went up to $4 per gallon around 2007ish, I went and bought that car. The gas cost savings alone offset the payment. It’s been paid off for years now, so even better!

    The only thing lacking? Maybe I should have some flames painted on the sides! Lol. My fuel efficient hot rod!

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  12. In other words yes, gas prices influence behavior.

    Now of course there were also plenty of people buying even bigger gas guzzler vehicles than ever around that same time. That I didn’t get at all? I couldn’t figure if it was the overt display of waste (and wealth) that was the goal, or niave optimism things would somehow go back to the good ‘ok days?

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  13. Liz says:

    “Now of course there were also plenty of people buying even bigger gas guzzler vehicles than ever around that same time. That I didn’t get at all? I couldn’t figure if it was the overt display of waste (and wealth) that was the goal, or niave optimism things would somehow go back to the good ‘ok days?”

    Yep. I think what Ton says above is true though. Fuel efficient cars are often really expensive.
    We did the calculations and found the difference in price would take about six years or more to come out even, if gas stayed at something like 3.50 a gallon. And Mike commutes a LOT, so that’s a lot of miles and gallons in those years.

    Just on the subject of our foreign policy decisions, often when taken together as a whole make very little sense….but in the very short term, looked at individually, it’s a lot easier to understand if you follow the election cycles.

    Our foreign policy in the ME is definitely short-sighted, and very expensive, and a lot of that’s a fundamental problem with the way bureaucracies (especially democratic ones) work.
    There are few election browny points for investing in finding a new better form of fuel (eventually), there are election browny points for lowering the short-term cost of fuel (at the pump, not the various indirect but related expenses) and securing our energy supply. Few election browny points for longterm planning in preventing emergencies, lots of election browny points for avoiding short term costs even if that bites everyone in the ass longterm. As long as it isn’t on their watch, they win.

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  14. SFC Ton says:

    how much hay, livestock and harvested deer can your car haul Bloom? Ton life requires an F250 Super Duty… well doesn’t require but it damn sure makes life better

    I did the math on Ton Spawn Production Facility buying a hybrid. It didn’t pay with her driving about 100 miles a week. She stuck with her regular sedan .

    and it is 585 horsepower worth of fun?

    I do see a lot of slicks in trucks and what not that never get much use besides ferrying kids and grabbing groceries. wouldn’t be my choice but what the hell

    If we really cared about fuel cost we’d make things more motorcycle friendly. Mostly its about trying to control people and yes gas prices are artificially high, kept there by dumb government/ environmental policy

    everything a government does is about consolidating power and money for itself and the wealthy people who run it

    everyfuckingthing

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  15. Yoda says:

    Global warming the problem is,

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/12/03/trump-obama-worried-about-global-warming-while-terrorists-want-to-blow-up-our-country/

    Trump said, “Well, perhaps he’s incompetent. We have a president that doesn’t know what he’s doing. I think perhaps you could actually say, hard to believe but we have somebody that’s incompetent. He wasn’t meant for the position but, he’s there, and we have him for another year, a little more than a year if you think. And we’re stuck with him, I guess, for a little while.”

    Trump added, “Well, he doesn’t even want to use the term, the proper term to describe these people. and, you know, if you’re not going to use the term, and you’re not going to define them correctly, you’re never going to solve the problem. So, he doesn’t use the term. He doesn’t really know. I don’t know. You know, somebody told me before they think he has bad intentions. Let’s assume he doesn’t have bad intentions. I just don’t think he knows what he’s doing. I think it’s gotten to a point where it’s embarrassing. He’s over there talking about global warming. Global warming’s our biggest problem. They want to blow up our country. They want to blow up our cities. They want to knock down our buildings, and he’s worried about global warming. So, you know, we have somebody that’s not in touch.”

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  16. SFC Ton says:

    nope being poor is the problem….. easy lie to disprove as most of the hajjis doing jhiad are middle class for their area. poor folks are to busy trying to eat to cause much problems

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/30/why-inequality-is-to-blame-for-the-rise-of-the-islamic-state/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_2_na

    anything the left tells you is a lie

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  17. Yoda says:

    SJW trolls do why SJW trolls do

    In a well-established pattern, the troll blamed the mass shooting on GamerGate, the movement against poor ethical standards and political zealotry in the world of video games journalism.

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/03/mainstream-media-fooled-by-troll-who-blamed-san-bernardino-shooting-on-gamergate/

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  18. Spawny Get says:

    Petrol (well done, Bloom. Octane is properly called ‘petrol’ (because English), not the ghastly ‘gas’ which would more properly befit propane) used to be pushing £1.40 a litre round these here parts (currently around £1.10)

    So a manly imperial gallon cost 4.54 x £1.40 = £6.36…pushing ten dollars an imperial gallon.

    There are, what? 4litres to the US mini-gallon? So around $8.50

    Heating oil is currently around £0.29/l + 5% VAT

    Your better off on Shanks’s Pony. Imperial or metric or US

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  19. Cill says:

    Saturday morning here. I’m looking into a mighty pit. Big sense of achievement. You there Spawny? Tom wants a word. I’m a bit surprised, he’s not usually this talkative. It must be your MSGL (which he thinks is hilarious). Here’s Tom

    Tom here Spawny

    No worries bro. The haka can cause offense, eh
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-zealand-explains-haka-to-turkey-in-gesture-of-goodwill-at-chunuk-bair-20150808-giuu7e.html

    You ask about Once Were Warriors. It was life as we knew it for lots of young fellas in Aotearoa. My life was pretty much like the movie. Alan Duff told it with honesty and truth. “Once Were Warriors” novel by Alan Duff. Good read. A Maori, he grew up in Rotorua, where those boys made the video I showed you.

    The syphon has syphoned the rain from the excavation. Back to work for this hori. Cheers bro.

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  20. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    You mentioned “Shank’s Pony”? In the US Cavalry it was referred to as Shank’s Mare. For those unfamiliar, it means walking.

    When I get to weiting my post, how do I submit it?

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  21. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Tom,
    I meant that those guys doing the haka looked disciplined, were committed students. They didn’t look ‘on the floor’, unless on the floor means something good…Could be a language issue? To me, they looked like the ‘after’ in the undisciplined street kid to young man process.

    I wasn’t born with a silver kauri club in me gob, but neither was I poor growing up. So I’m not able to claim I understood the kids in the movie. But I am worried that more kids are going to be growing up without a purpose. Young men do better when treated as men, not as broken women. But I really don’t think that I’m telling you anything, brother. Not anything you don’t know already.

    I believe in men and boys. Things would get a lot better for them if society (manginas, white knights and wimminz) started by taking their foot off of the boy’s necks.

    “It must be your MSGL (which he thinks is hilarious)”, I allow my brother to doubt that which he has yet to behold with his own eyes. Even I, from time to time, find myself unable to credit just how good looking I claim to be. Deep, deep down (deeper than you have excavated) Spawny…brace yourself…is merely human(!) I know, I know. Calm yourself

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  22. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, check your email. If you save your post as a draft, then point a comment at Farm Boy to get him to schedule it for when it fits. He’s the scheduling Silver Back. I’m not into checking things before they go up, say what you want to say, how you want to say it.

    Great news. Cheers

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  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Terrence Popp has a few thoughts about San Bernadino. There is more to come.

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  24. blurkel says:

    I need a bear video. I hope pandas count.

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  25. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post

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  26. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Blurkel,
    Panda count! That was good!

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  27. Spawny Get says:

    “It must be your MSGL (which he thinks is hilarious)”, I allow my brother to doubt that which he has yet to behold with his own eyes. Even I, from time to time, find myself unable to credit just how good looking I claim to be. Deep, deep down (deeper than you have excavated) Spawny…brace yourself…is merely human(!) I know, I know. Calm yourself

    Just one like? Inconceivable!!!

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  28. Sumo says:

    Inconceivable!!!

    You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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