Never Stop Taking Out the Garbage

A while back I posted Taking Out the Garbage.  It was about how marriages work better when small incidents are forgiven.  Marriages also work better when larger incidents are forgiven.

In late August one year somewhat long ago, as I was about to enter first grade, the whole family was at an auction sale in a small farm village.  My Dad had just bought an above ground swimming pool at the auction, so we were all happy.  My one older sister escorted me and the next younger sister (three years older than me) to the car.  For whatever reason, this sister decided to go back to the auction sale.  As she crossed the highway, she was hit by a drunk recklessly pulling out of a parking space.

She was ferried away in an ambulance to the hospital in the county seat.  My Mom accompanied her.   Meanwhile, my Dad casually gathered up us kids and we worked our way to the hospital.  When we arrived, we learned that my sister had died.  My Mom was grief-stricken.

Many years later, long after my Dad was gone, she told of how mad she was that he took so long to get to the hospital.  She was there all alone.  This she did not like.  She said that it was the worst half hour of her life.

Probably my Dad knew the situation with respect to my sister before the ambulance left, and realized that time was not of the essence.  So there was no use hurrying and perhaps compounding the problem.  Furthermore, he undoubtedly did not think that the half hour that my Mom spent alone until we got there would be an issue.

To finish up the story, my Mom forgave my Dad, and family life was good.  Of course she could have held the resentment forever, degrading family life.  Which I am glad she did not do.

Exit Question — Why are modern women so eager to damage their families with their unresolved psychological issues?

Posted in FarmBoy, HowTo, Marriage
125 comments on “Never Stop Taking Out the Garbage
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Perhaps your father, realizing he could do nothing to affect the outcome, took his rime getting to the hospital to keep the remaining kids calm.
    I am glad that your mother forgave him. Modern women are very big on forgiveness.
    “Why are mosern women so eager to damage their families?”
    Because they can? An exercise in power.

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  2. SFC Ton says:

    damn and double damn FarmBoy

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  3. blurkel says:

    Why are modern women so eager to damage their families with their unresolved psychological issues?

    Because life is all about them, and everyone and everything needs to respect that.

    In my ancestry, I can now see how this self-focus affected my grandmothers. I can see how it affected my mother and my sisters. I saw how my own wife does this to this day.

    As a result, each time I see the comment that women are care givers and are very supporting of others I laugh sardonically. I know this is almost always a lie. The exceptions are severely co-dependent, and generally turn their humanism inward to save themselves. They are then completely indistinguishable from misandrists.

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  4. Yoda says:

    Perhaps your father, realizing he could do nothing to affect the outcome, took his rime getting to the hospital to keep the remaining kids calm.

    Highly probable this is.
    What a good father would do

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  5. Dragonfly says:

    Oh wow Farmboy. I’m so sorry that you lived through that horrible trauma. 😥

    I can’t even begin to imagine losing a sibling that young or that fast.

    Your mom is amazing to have gotten through the ordeal so well – I’ve heard that statistics say most marriages where a child is lost, just don’t last. And the main reason is that one of the parents hold a grudge against the other – for whatever reason (not feeling the “same” grief, or thinking they were negligent…). Your mother must have been very mature and strong.

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  6. molly says:

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    Your mother must have been very mature and strong.

    She grew up on a very poor farm in cold northern Wisconsin. The house had no electricity, running water or central heat. She was one of seven siblings on this small poor farm. My grandfather transported moonshine and poached deer to make ends meet during the depression.

    That was her background

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  8. molly says:

    P.S. I ❤ Dragonfly's cute baby boy!
    It's so strange to think..
    Sumo once looked like that.
    . 😛
    (run and hide)

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  9. Farm Boy says:

    I’m so sorry that you lived through that horrible trauma.

    I head the tires squeal. I saw look of horror on the older sister’s face when she got out to attend to her younger sibling. I was right beside my Mom on the car’s front bench seat in the middle when she totally lost it sobbing on the way to the funeral.

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  10. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Dragonfly’s comment brought it home that modern marriage is not as strong as it was in times past. Modern medicine has done a lot to lessen infant and child mortality. It was normal in the nineteenth century to lose a child. They kept it together. Kudos to your parents.

    Chocolate for each paw! Slurp! For you, 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄

    I think that we were all cute babies.

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  11. Sumo says:

    It’s so strange to think..
    Sumo once looked like that.

    Actually, he looked like this:

    Baby Sumo #3 photo littleLittleSumo3.jpg

    No, you are not seeing things – even before I could walk, I had a weapon in my hand.

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  12. Farm Boy says:

    I think that we were all cute babies.

    And Winston Churchill was that way his whole life

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  13. Dragonfly says:

    My grandmother had a similar background… but she still seemed to choose to focus on the negatives in life. My uncle (my mom’s brother) was brain damaged when he was born because the doctor misused his forceps. My grandmother never seemed to get over it, was always a bitter woman because of it, and then abused my mom (physically) because (I think?) the anger from it. 😦

    But my mom didn’t end up like that at all… she was such an amazing mom, never abused us at all (but did spank us!) – and overall, it was a good lesson to me to watch to learn family dynamics. My mom actually received an apology from my grandma when she was on her death bed – why she waited THAT LONG, I mean, more than half a century long, to finally repair the relationship… when there was no more time FOR the relationship bothered me. But my mom graciously forgave her on the spot, and let her die in the peace of knowing that.


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  14. Dragonfly says:

    So I guess I said all that to say: just because she came from a hard background doesn’t mean she still didn’t **choose** to do the right thing. Your mom did great, and therefore preserved your entire family. She did the most difficult, but godly thing and got through it.

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  15. Cill says:

    Judging by the unmistakable resemblance of so many baby boys to Winstone Churchill, I reckon he must have had the mother of all N counts.

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  16. Cill says:

    Just catching up…
    Hell Farm Boy, that’s tough. I don’t know what to say.

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  17. Sumo says:

    Stow that noise right now, mate – last I checked, Churchy wasn’t a skinny, slanty-eyed Jap man. 😉


  18. molly says:

    Me too. I’m sorry.


  19. Cill says:

    Can’t see much evidence of skinniness or slanty eyes there, bro.

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  20. Cill says:

    Looks more like a Scots baby to me. No discernible resemblance to Winstone, I’ll grant you that.


  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I went looking for a clip from Young Winston where he is standing atop a railroad car taunting the Boers. Sadly, it’s not there. He doesn’t look to babylike in that scene.

    I know what that child is thinking. “Who took the pot?”

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  22. Cill says:

    Fuzzy he’s thinking, How far could I hit that arsehole

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  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    All babies look like Winstonj Churcill. Of course there are different versions to accomodate different races and ethnicities.

    Sumo almost fails because he has so much hair. Aside from that, he is a fine Japanese-Canadian example.

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  24. Farm Boy says:

    Winstone Churchill

    He of oblong rock fame?

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  25. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About child mortality, in addition to all else, both Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis lost young sons while serving as President. Linclon lost his to disease and Davis to an accident.


  26. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It has been a while. Here is my favorite Winston Churchill video.


  27. Cill says:

    Even Wee Meddy resembled Winstone for a while.


  28. Yoda says:

    Based on Fuzzie Bear’s video, Winstone the father of the evil Loki he is.
    Got around that man did

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  29. Yoda says:

    Odd the British would be.
    When fighting a land battle they are,
    Play music about “Brittania Ruling the Waves” they do.
    Perhaps explains why drive on the wrong side of road they do.

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  30. Cill says:

    My baby pic:

    Note the resemblance to Winny. (Churchill)

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  31. Yoda says:

    Did Liz have a baby pic not?


  32. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    British get around they did.
    British accents most Roman generals do have.
    Notable exception Favious Aetius is.
    In Attila Powers Booth he played.

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  33. Cill says:

    Wee Meddy has Winstone’s high-domed head:

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  34. Yoda says:

    And the Spartans spoke English with British accents they did.

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  35. Yoda says:

    Once old time Dr Who episode I did see.
    Ancient Mayans had not only British accents but proper British manners they did.

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Wee Meddy looks much more like WC than your version.
    How is Wee Meddy doing? The last that I heard, you had him doing all the plowing.


  37. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yes, those Spartans had British accents too. However, there is a 1950s version starring Richard Egan who taught drama at USC.


  38. Cill says:

    According to Mrs Moehau Man (Moe’s knowledgeable old mum) the Spartans should have had Moehau accents.


  39. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, Wee Meddy is the size of kids twice his age. He never walks, runs everywhere and loves the water and Dog. And Horse. And the sheep. And the cattle. And the chooks. And the ducks. And the gulls on the beach. And the deer and possums and birds in the forest.

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  40. Sumo says:

    Can’t see much evidence of skinniness or slanty eyes there, bro.

    Me daddy is the skinny, slanty-eyed one. I just meant that there’s no chance that Churchy was my sire. 😉

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  41. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I bet that Wee Meddy has two speeds. Go, very fast and sleep. He sounds like the perfect love bug.

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  42. Cill says:

    I can’t see much sign of Japanese in you there, Sumo, avatar or baby pic. I still haven’t had your response to me at 3:54 am. Was I right or was I right?

    Fuzzy, your description of Wee Meddy is right on the button.


  43. Sumo says:

    Missed that one, brother.

    It’s scary how well you know me. 😀 Of course I was thinking something along those lines.


  44. Sumo says:

    And let me just head the naysayers off at the pass – of-frickin’-course I remember something that happened 40 years ago before I developed the ability to remember or reason things out objectively. I’m The Mighty Sumo, bitches!

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  45. SFC Ton says:

    growing up poor and on a farm sucks ass but it produces people with grit. Not nice people or necessarily good people but folks with brass… or so I like to think since thats my families back story as well.

    or did before the welfare

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  46. Liz says:

    Good grief, I typed out a long response and closed the window accidentally, somehow.

    I’m so sorry, Farmboy. 😦
    I can’t imagine how awful this must have been for you and your family.
    I think your father did the right thing. My Dad would have done exactly the same. His job was to calm the other children, first. You had all just witnessed a horrible tragedy.

    In my (deleted) response I mentioned that it has been my experience people who get through awful tragedies, like the loss of a child, and stay close usually have a very strong faith in God. We have several friends who have lost children and stayed strong and that is the case with them. One family lost a son who was the same age as our youngest child, at the time. He’d choked on blinds, and we had the same blinds in our home. Scary stuff.
    I don’t have the strength to type that awful story again. Every year they send out Christmas cards and include their lost child in the family photo as an angel.

    “My grandmother had a similar background… but she still seemed to choose to focus on the negatives in life.”

    Same with my mom, Dragonfly. She’s the most negative person I know. If she won the lottery tomorrow, she’d complain about what a pain in the ass it will be to drive to the place to collect the money. Not sure her mouth actually cracks any way other than down.

    “Did Liz have a baby pic not?”

    Of myself? No…I have plenty of adorable baby pics of our sons, though. I just don’t know how to load them here. 🙂

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  47. SFC Ton says:

    LOL is lizard trying to pimp her sons to Molly?

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  48. Yoda says:

    Same with my mom, Dragonfly. She’s the most negative person I know.

    Amazing that you grew up as well as you did

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  49. Yoda says:

    LOL is lizard trying to pimp her sons to Molly?

    Expanding she is.
    No longer just “Pimpin’ My Hoe” she is.

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  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Weren’t there more than a few parents on SSM’s old blog who were looking for spouses for their children?
    While Liz hasn’t said a word about it, it may not be a bad idea.


  51. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You should find this interesting.

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  52. Yoda says:

    Fuzzie Bear,

    SSM herself many girls she had.
    Worried about finding good guys she did.
    Elspeth in same boat she was

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  53. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am not too worried about daughters. It’s a lot easier to find a sweet guy for a good daughter than the other wat around. A number of her commenters did have sons. However, I think it is still early days for SSM’s kids. Elspeth was having trouble though, last I heard.

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  54. SFC Ton says:

    I am not too worried about daughters. It’s a lot easier to find a sweet guy for a good daughter than the other wat around.

    The Bear has the right of it

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  55. Cill says:


    1. She leaves Mike at home
    2. She leaves her children at home
    3. She leaves her green helmet at home
    4. She agrees to go out with me on my boat
    5. She allows me to teach her how to swim (kittens are not very good in the water iirc)
    6. I promise to tie her to a line to haul her in if circumstances dictate such a course of action.
    7. When I’m eating the big kingy who’s been swimming around in the bay, I promise to give Liz thanks for helping me catch him.

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  56. Cill says:

    Just kidding, Liz 😉 You know that.

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  57. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You wouldn’t use Liz as bait??!!

    Stayt home! We;ll figure out something else.

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  58. Yoda says:

    Daughters harder to keep in line they are.
    Much freedom young women now have.
    Easily misuse it they can and do

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  59. SFC Ton says:

    Just kidding, Liz 😉 You know that….. Cill

    Yea bitch you best be wearing that green helmet and shit

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  60. SFC Ton says:

    for the record kittens make excellent bait


  61. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Not our Liz!!!!

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  62. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t think that daughters are any harder to keep in line. Ir’s that they are granted so much more license.


  63. molly says:

    I would like to meet Liz’s sons (when I was single) as they were brought up by Liz 🙂
    I may be too old tho, as I like men older than me. My beau is over half way between me and Cill in age! LOL
    I try to not think of him dying of old age years and years before me (sigh). Nothing is perfect, eh.

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  64. SFC Ton says:

    LOL Molly my girls hear that about the age thing all the time. Sadly my brother passed when he was 32. There are no guarantees on these things. It is a legit concern no doubt but all of life is trading off one thing to get another


  65. molly says:

    It helps to have a nice big family around the old person left alone, eh. 🙂 We can help them laugh at times. I even used a fart cushion to make one laugh, and it worked! 😀 LOL

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  66. molly says:

    Sorry Ton your brother died when only 32.

    bbq weather! Food for Ton and Fuzzie and Yoda and Cill and blurkel and Liz.

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  67. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄
    It was a happy thought but, you already have a beau.

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  68. blurkel says:

    Sorry to bring down the baby picture glee going on, but I want to tell about my grandmother.

    Her eldest daughter was a victim of the Spanish Influenza, and it wasn’t long after that I suspect she murdered my 4-year-old aunt, who reportedly was quite a handful. She got away with it because she was married to the largest employer in town. She repaid his giving her a privileged lifestyle by hiding him away from the world once he’d suffered a debilitating stroke. Every time she brought him his meals, she’d ruin his digestion by screaming at him while he ate. I was forbidden to ever go into his room.

    Shortly after he died, she almost killed me in an insurance scam she hatched with a friend of hers. I honestly don’t know why I’m still alive, but considering all the hell that event put me through, I don’t know how I’ve lived so long, nor how I managed to deal with the massive trauma she inflicted on my 4-year-old self.

    Deprivation of any kind can cause people to become quite evil toward those they allegedly love.

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  69. SFC Ton says:

    Thank you darling. it was a few years back and life goes on.

    Its bbq weather here as well. Middle of the winter and it was 61F today. Love me some global warming

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  70. Sumo says:

    Same here. ‘Twas a balmy 30F ’round these parts today.

    In Canada, that’s BBQ weather.

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  71. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    No wonder your avatar is you on a good day.

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  72. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    We had a little snow here but, it didn’t stick. I have heard this will be an El Nino year. The pacific coast could use the rain.


  73. molly says:

    blurkel, what a horrible terrible grandmother. My heart aches, trying to understand it. Her own grandchild! Want to kill *any* child for money! It’s evil.

    For you

    Hope it helps.. someone is thinking of you right now.

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  74. blurkel says:

    @ Fuzzie

    I don’t think that daughters are any harder to keep in line. Ir’s that they are granted so much more license.

    By their mothers.

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  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Every time that I turn around, there is a new way that I am cut off at the kness.

    Idea! Maybe you know someone who might be right for Liz;s boys?


  76. molly says:

    I wish the donut wasn’t there, it hurts the eyes. This choc is better:

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  77. molly says:

    Thank you! That was quick! 🙂


  78. SFC Ton says:

    silly sjw’s and their hijinks


  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    One for me and one fro Blurkel YUM! Thank you!

    SFC Ton,
    Ever since they caught that woman in Nontana sending threats to herslf, I have to wonder about all their claims. I am glad the police caught someone and has charged.

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  80. Cill says:

    Liz “I just don’t know how to load them here”

    I just tried it out using cloud. These are offline photos on my computer hard drive:


    If you want to know how I did it, let me know here.

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  81. Spawny Get says:

    Well this one ain’t living in denial. Got to credit her strength of character, even while not admiring her character.

    But Mr Justice McDonald, ruling on the case, found in favour of C to refuse treatment. He found that her decision was in line with the lifestyle of the woman, which he described as “characterised by impulsive and self-centred decision-making without guilt or regret”.

    “C has had four marriages and a number of affairs and has . . . spent the money of her husbands and lovers recklessly before moving on when things got difficult or the money ran out,” he said.

    “C is a person who seeks to live life entirely and unapologetically on her own terms; that life revolving largely around her looks, men, material possessions and ‘living the high life’.”

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  82. Spawny Get says:

    But her daughter also told the court that her mother had been an “entirely reluctant and at times completely indifferent mother,” adding that when one of her sisters revealed that she was pregnant, her mother reacted furiously because “she would be a grandmother and that made her feel ‘past her sell-by date’.”

    Her daughter said her mother feared being “poor”, “ugly” or “old”, saying: “She has said the most important thing for her is her sparkly lifestyle. She kept saying she doesn’t want to live without her sparkle and she thinks she has lost her sparkle.”

    Her daughter added that the family were devastated by their mother’s decision, saying: “We think it is a horrible decision. We don’t like the decision at all. But I cannot get away from the fact that she understands it.”

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  83. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That has to be the height of vanity.

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  84. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I saw that somewhere else and it is hard to believe that feminists hate men to the extent that they would play mean tricks on fiveyear old boys.
    That is low.

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  85. Sumo says:

    And here’s the depth of cuntitude

    Anyone notice the author of the single, lonely comment on that one?

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  86. Farm Boy says:

    This is interesting,

    Heavily publicized student protests over alleged “systemic racism” at Yale, the University of Missouri, and Claremont-McKenna College have touched off a nationwide movement, with students at other schools eager to get into the action by issuing their own demands.

    These have helpfully been collected together at a website called The Demands. The students’ list of all the things they want the world to provide them with drones on and on, but Walter Olson has already posted a preliminary summary, focusing on how the demands amount to a full-scale assault on freedom of speech.

    But Olson made one comment in passing that caught my attention: “more jobs and a bigger and more entrenched establishment promoting diversity within the academy were among the most consistent demands.”

    So I took a look for myself, and the more you read through the students’ demands, the more they look curiously like a full-employment program for the faculty who just happen to be egging on these naive youngsters.

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  87. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    One popular explanation for the rise in tuition has been the bloat in the payroll of university administrations. If true, the students are being persuaded to act against their own interests.
    In the long run, I don’t see this being a good thing for brick and mortar higher education.

    From your comment, I thought it was you. I found Cill. Still, that a kindergarten teacher would handle things that way is disgraceful.

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  88. @ farm boy what a tragic day for everyone involved. 😦 I can’t imagine, as a mother of kids not that much older/younger, how I would be able to hold myself together in such circumstances. I am very glad your mother had the fortitude to do so, and was also wise enough not to direct the anger/grief/loss she felt bc of the tragic loss toward your dad or anyone in your family. I could see a mom blaming the other sibiling too and i am glad she did not put that on your sister but instead saw it gor what it was, a random, senseless loss. When families fall apart after such a loss, it’s often for that reason, trying to place blame. Like Liz and Dragonfly say, the women in my family tend to dwell and fester negatively on such events rather than do what they can to constructively heal and move forward. Such a choice can trickle down badly for generations. Like Dragonfly’s mom (and Liz and Dragonfly also seem to be choosing) I want to be that mom who gives what she didn’t get, starts a new trend, rather than the one who plays her lack forward. Your mom sounds like a fine lady for sure. Thanks for sharing this painful memory and how she reacted as well as one could to it. She choose the best path in a bad situation, and that is very admirable. Hugs to your first grade self too, I am sure that was life altering for all of you.

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  89. Liz says:

    “If you want to know how I did it, let me know here.”

    Yes please! How did you do it?

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  90. SFC Ton says:

    colleges are for profit enterprises. that is the 1st thing you have to understand about so called institutions of higher learning. It is all about the sch
    ool making money and not about the some above it all pie in the sky mission to enlighten the world

    tuition has gone up because of student loans and grants. colleges do not have to limit their profit line because the govt will release or secure more money for student loans. When the govt ups the available dollar amount for student loans, colleges up tuition.

    its a racket. by and large college is a weird unintelligent test.

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  91. SFC Ton says:

    I do not want to cast dispersion on Farm Boy’s mom, specifically something truly tragic like this, but I reckon Farm Boy’s father’s frame had as much to do with her grace as her own innate sense of it


  92. Yoda says:

    Fuzzie Bear a bad bear he was?

    It was reported yesterday that, while on the Alberta set of his new film The Revenant, actor Leonardo DiCaprio was sexually assaulted by his co-star, an adult 800-pound grizzly bear. The assault occurred while DiCaprio was attempting to film a brutal scene depicting his character’s (real-life historical frontiersman Hugh Glass) desperate struggle to survive an encounter with the bear.

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  93. Yoda says:

    Yes please! How did you do it?

    Send in your 4000 pounds sterling you did?

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  94. Spawny Get says:

    So elect Hillary because…errm…I’m waiting…umm…it’s a girl’s turn?
    FFS That’s all she’s got?

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  95. Yoda says:

    Honest she is?

    For the sake of brevity, we’ll review two of the most notable examples: 1. Clinton claimed we were shot at by snipers on a trip to Bosnia when she was First Lady (I was covering the trip for CBS News). Nothing even remotely close to sniper fire happened. 2. As secretary of state, Clinton publicly blamed the deadly Benghazi terrorist attacks on demonstrators inspired by a YouTube video, even though the best information was to the contrary (and she privately told her family the truth).

    Substitution Game: With Clinton the lead Democrat running for president, are reporters engaging in days of passionate arguments with her about her false sniper fire claim insisting over and over, as they did with Trump, “It didn’t happen,” “It’s just plain wrong,” “Are you delusional?” or “It never happened”?

    Have the same reporters criticized Clinton as secretary of state for misleading the public on Benghazi, demanding she “issue an apology”? Have they engaged in endless one on one debates with her for falsely claiming there were no classified emails on the private server on which she conducted the public’s business?

    Couldn’t it be argued that Clinton was a post truth candidate long before Trump?

    Slippery Slope

    As reporters set aside their traditional role as fact seekers and veer into advocacy, they find themselves on a slippery journalistic slope.

    There’s nothing wrong with reporting on skepticism of Trump’s (or other candidates’) claims. But to present Trump’s ideas about Muslim celebrations as the ravings of a lunatic requires dismissing, cherry picking, weighting or ignoring evidence.

    In 2001, there were worldwide reports of relatively small groups of Muslims celebrating the 9/11 attacks; some of them in the United States. Substitution Game: When CBS News anchor Dan Rather told CBS late night host David Letterman there were reports of celebrations by Muslims at home, there was no collective outcry from reporters demanding an apology from Rather or Letterman. Only when Trump suggested the same.

    Substitution Game: When the Washington Post reported allegations of people “seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river,” nobody demanded the newspaper issue apologies or corrections. Only when Trump made his allegations.

    When CNN and the Los Angeles Times reported on Muslims overseas in East Jerusalem celebrating the 9/11 attacks; and when reported that “journalists were threatened for capturing images of Palestinian celebrations, making real footage of the event harder to obtain,” and when the Foreign Press Association of Israel reported that “thousands filled the streets to celebrate” in the West Bank town of Nablus to celebrate the 9/11 bombings, and that “armed police blocked camera crews from photographing the rally,” the news wasn’t met with wild disbelief.

    “The images of exuberant, cheering Palestinians – some of them children and teens – when they heard news of the tragedies angered and horrified people worldwide,” said one report at the time. Another said, “TV stations everywhere were broadcasting footage of revelers in the streets of Jerusalem and Nablus, in refugee camps and in coffee shops. Some joyously fired rifles in the air, laughed, handed out sodas and candy and made signs of victory with their fingers.” Others said that Palestinian Authority officials “phoned TV stations and other media to caution them their safety would be in jeopardy if they aired the [celebratory] segments.” U.S. News and World Report asked, “Why did so many inhabitants of the long Muslim ‘street,’ stretching from Morocco to Indonesia, appear to be overjoyed by what Osama bin Laden’s henchmen had accomplished?”

    As the facts have been fleshed out, some reporters have found themselves in the awkward position of having to repeatedly redefine their criticism of Trump’s statement. At first, they scoffed at the notion that anybody celebrated the 9/11 attacks. But when overseas video surfaced, they narrowed their criticism and scoffed at the idea that there were celebrations specifically in New Jersey. But when multiple witnesses and accounts about New Jersey surfaced, they narrowed their criticism further and said it couldn’t have been “thousands.”

    See how it works? Each time their narrative is undermined, they simply reframe the argument to avoid the appearance that they’ve had to concede anything.

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  96. Cill says:

    Liz I used a cloud. My OS is Windows 10, so the cloud I used was OneDrive. In Windows 8 it’s called SkyDrive. You could use an alternative such as cloudHQ. Briefly, it’s a matter of moving the photo files into the cloud, then selecting photos in the cloud and creating html frames around them for copying into the blog comment.

    [Create copies of your photos before doing the following. Best to store the copies in a new folder on your hard drive]

    Here’s how I did it in Windows 10 (note: I can’t remember exactly how onedrive looks first time you open it, so I’m guessing that a Pictures folder will show at step #3. ):

    1. Open in your browser.

    2. Sign in using your hotmail or outlook email address and password, or open a new microsoft account.

    3. Once in OneDrive, click on the Pictures folder.

    4. Click on the create tab or new tab near the top and select Folder from the drop-down. You’ll need to create a folder especially for blog comments or posts, for holding stuff such as photos, spreadsheets etc you don’t mind people seeing. I called my new folder BlogPictures.

    5. Open BlogPictures (if it’s not already open)

    6. Open the folder on your hard drive that contains the photos (or any other files that you want to show on the blog)

    7. Select the photos with your mouse and dump them with your mouse into the new BlogPictures folder in onedrive.

    8. Right-click on a photo and select Embed from the drop-down. I forget what it says next. Create html? Something like that. Click ok or yes or whatever. Select and copy the html it creates (make sure you copy all of it) and click Done.

    9. Right-click in your blog comment and select paste. Done.

    If you have any problems let me know.

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  97. Liz says:

    LOL! It worked!
    That’s awesome.
    Thanks so much Cill. 🙂

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  98. Spawny Get says:

    Can people do me a favour before posting photos?

    You do know about metadata within them, yeah?
    Not saying that it’s all critical, but some might prove identifying.

    In Windows.
    1) right click the photo
    2) hit ‘properties’
    3) click on ‘details’
    4) at the bottom, click ‘Remove Properties and Personal Information’
    5) in new popup, check that ‘create a copy with all possible properties removed’ is checked (selected)
    6) hit ‘Ok’
    7) upload the new file ‘oldfilename – Copy’ Not the original

    Let’s be careful out there, folks

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  99. Spawny Get says:

    Can you please ‘like’ my previous comment to acknowledge that you read it?


  100. Liz says:

    “You do know about metadata within them, yeah?
    Not saying that it’s all critical, but some might prove identifying.”

    I did NOT know that, Swithy!

    [SG – I didn’t check your posted image, I assumed the worst. I just took the comment down. Post what you like from now on]


  101. Spawny Get says:

    When you click on ‘details’ of the file, or the copy, you should see the metadata. Most will be harmless, but perhaps cumulative across uploads. Person was ‘here’ on ‘date’. Maybe phone info. You get the idea

    I do uploads from folders whose path does not contain my user name, just to be sure.

    C:\temp for example.
    Not C:\Users\SpawnyLordHumungousTrouserSnake\Pics\Non-Porno(rare)\

    Not sure how that interacts with Cill’s instruction above.

    (((Photos (without metadata!!!) emailed to one of the usual suspects can be stuck in the SpawnySpace gallery and referenced from there. Unreliable and slow to achieve perhaps, but if it’s gotta happen…)))

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  102. Cill says:


    If you embed a photo, its features will be available in onedrive.
    E.g. if you used the Geo-Tagging feature, the photo’s metadata will include GPS coordinates locating where it was taken. I think this is fair enough : if you wanted to embed a less-featured version you would create a version that lacks the features.

    Exercise the same caution as you would with email attachments, except it will be available to anyone who looks at your comment in the blog, not just a limited number of addressees. You can download and use a Metadata removal tool for email attachments etc.

    See Exif (format for storing metadata in image and audio files)

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  103. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It wasn’t me! Do you think he was hogging all the doughnuts?

    You’re up and around! I was worried. You have been quiet.

    I watching that Hillary video, I have to wonder how much little boys are suffering to enable the princess mentality?

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  104. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It says a lot about how deteriorated the situation is for this to be putr into print.


  105. Yoda says:

    Evidence she cites not,

    Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was asked Thursday in New Hampshire whether the alleged sexual abuse or harassment victims of her husband should be believed, given her recent tweet on the matter.

    “You recently came out to say that all rape victims should be believed? But would you say that about Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, and Paula Jones? Should we believe them as well?” the audience member asked.

    “Well, I would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence,” Clinton said, drawing applause.


  106. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Hillary, for a lot of reasons, is a truly terrible candidate. That she is still runnning is a shock.

    Liked by 1 person

  107. molly says:

    “Well, I would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved based on evidence,”

    Was Bill Clinton guilty until proven innocent?

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  108. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That is a big question.


  109. molly says:

    Fuzzie, Bill Clinton must be guilty as he didn’t *prove* he was innocent. (That is what Hillary Clinton wants for all other men, eh.)


  110. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Hillary is just pandering to the fembots. I have to wonder what she bekieves.
    As for proving innocence, that is vey difficult and, according to our justice system, one shouldn’t have to. The burden of proff is on the accuser, as it should be.

    OH, and before I forget, 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄


  111. Spawny Get says:

    It depends on what prove proves to be.


  112. molly says:

    Spawny’s comment at 11:12 is out of order 😉 Lol
    It’s raining cats and dogs. Good day for Fuzzie to stay inside and have ——>
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯


  113. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Burritos! One for each paw! Yum!
    The problem with impeachment is that it is primarily a political process. Nothing having to do with administrating justice.


  114. SFC Ton says:

    “Hillary is just pandering to the fembots. I have to wonder what she bekieves.” Fuzzie

    What makes you think she believes in anything beyond gaining more power, influence and wealth?

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  115. Spawny Get says:

    It seems that Fuzzie is an optimistic bear…she’s an absolute horror from what I’ve seen from afar.

    Liked by 1 person

  116. Spawny Get says:

    Imprunement would seem to be more appropriate for Shrillary.

    Liked by 3 people

  117. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post


  118. Spawny Get says:

    My comments are queue jumping again. This is somewhat embarrassing for an imperial patriarch.


  119. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I am an optomistic bear. It does have its downsides.

    Liked by 1 person

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