“There are too many men dying on a daily basis in the UK to play gender politics with their lives”
Glen Poole

In 2013 International Men’s Day launched a report called Putting The Man In Your Manifesto, which invited all political parties to make a commitment to tackling male suicide. None did.

Feminists hate anything to divert attention away from women’s issues:

Jess Phillips MP, for example, recently sniggered as she voted against proposals for a male suicide debate on International Men’s Day. Suicide is now the leading killer of men under 45 . That’s got to be worth a snigger, surely.

Then there was the bizarre case of the University of York abandoning plans to highlight issues like male suicide on International Men’s Day, after 200 academics, students and alumni signed a letter saying the phrase “gender equality is for everyone” is misogynistic.

The University of York’s decision comes despite well-known Reports such as this one in 2013:

  • One in 12 UK students admit to suicidal thoughts
  • 75% of York Students found to be suffering anxiety/stress/ emotional displacement
  • 95% of students identified that ”YES, I do know someone who has experienced these feelings whilst at university”
  • The data consistently shows a significantly higher rate of suicide among men than women each year.

Clearly there’s a lot of resistance to men’s issues, so if we care about male suicide we have to work extra hard to push the issue into the public realm.

“On the one hand we are told that the answer to the public health emergency of male suicide is to get men talking about their issues. On the other hand we are told that we can’t talk about men’s issues because women’s issues are more important…

One of the key pieces of research on men’s help-seeking behaviour, by Addis and Mahalik, concluded that men find it easier to seek help when the problem they are dealing with is socially accepted.” (“How can we help men talk if we won’t talk about men’s issues?”)

All Men’s Fault

The feminist attitude towards male suicide is:

  1. The main cause of male suicide is inability to communicate.
  2. Women have more reason to commit suicide but don’t because they are stronger than (and therefore superior to) men.
  3. Women are less violent than males, and thus less capable of killing themselves.

Examples of the feminist attitude

Martha writes:

“It is a known fact that women have always been able to live alone much better than men. Simply put, women are built to survive being alone better because I believe we get less emotional support from men than they get from us”

How smug is she?
He is the one alone, SHE IS NOT. Are you alone when you have custody of the children? Men go to jail for falling behind with child support payments. Ever heard of a woman going to jail for obstructing child access for the father? Doesn’t happen. Women like Martha are notable for their ignorance, and, dare I say it, their mental retardation.

The Irony:
There would be less male suicides if men had remote places where they could be self-sufficient hermits, build their own shelters, grow and catch their food… places where they could live without public services… places without women.

Another example of what men are up against:

Unequal, Unfair, Ineffective and Inefficient
Gender Inequity in Health: Why it exists and how we can change it
Final Report to the
WHO Commission on Social Determinants of Health

This report pays lip service to fairness, but is based on the ideological edict that women are discriminated against in health. Of the people who prepared the report, 3 have male names, 37 have female names, and 21 could be either. IRL I’ve heard most of the latter as women’s names, but I don’t know if some of them can also be names for men. Let’s just say the report is overwhelmingly by women.

Despite the fact that approx 70% of health expenditure is on women, the report for the WHO Commission (above) insists that there is a “Gender Inequity in Health”… against women. They place their precious victim status ahead of the truth. In the U.K. prostate cancer, which affects only men, receives just £417 worth of research funding per case while the “female” cancers – ovarian, cervical and breast – receive £1912, £1142 and £853 respectively. If that’s not treating one gender as more worthless than the other, I don’t know what is. A sense of worthlessness can only contribute to the causes for suicide.


Most people who seriously consider suicide do not want to die. Rather, they see suicide as a solution to a problem and a way to end their pain. People who seriously consider suicide feel hopeless, helpless, and worthless.

Men commit suicide because they are inhumanely treated by feminism – for example the treatment men receive during and post divorce.

In addition, all of the following biases against men add to their feelings of worthlessness, and the likelihood of their suicide rate being greater than that of women.

  • More severe sentences for the same crime.
  • Biases in the media and advertising
  • Biases in employment (affirmative action etc etc etc)
  • Biases at work and everywhere he goes (accusations of microaggressions etc etc etc)
  • He is presumed guilty until proven innocent (false rape)



Men die because the Feminist Establishment treats them like rubbish to be thrown away like yesterday’s newspapers, and this happens with the endorsement given smugly or tacitly, without a care, by the great majority of Western women. In the U.K., white women have the dubious distinction of being the mothers of a new underclass of white, working class boys who, for the first time in British history, achieve lower grades than not only all females, but Asian and black boys, too. These white boys are the lowest achievers of them all.

Where are the feminists on that issue? And all the white female SJWs? All they do is raise hell against men and spread it throughout the world. “Toxic white masculinity” is a recent example. Make no mistake about it, boys notice the hate campaigne against men. After a few years of public schooling, and exposure to the MSM, I certainly did.

Feelings of worthlessness and self blame… exaggerated feelings of guilt (“Depression and Suicide”) are precisely what feminists and SJWs bring down on men, especially white men, every week of the year – if not every day of the week – in the Western World. And you can’t damage adult males without damaging young males as well. Feminism and SJWs, through education and the slavish MSM and their incessant railing against white men, feed a diet of negativity to white boys from birth. This is hardly conducive to life, and it gives the lie to the claim that women are the great nurturers.

I’m sure of one thing: all the fine posturing and investigations into male suicide will produce barely a word about the worst cause of it, which is Feminism.

Posted in Cill, Feminism
  1. Sumo says:

    I cannot remember the number of suicidal people I’ve dealt with over the years (a rough estimate would be – a lot), but what I recall most vividly is that for the most part, women either threatened to commit suicide, or utilized a fairly non-effective/easily reversible method, such as intentionally “overdosing” (one chick was so desperate for attention, she claimed that she “OD’d” on Tylenol), while men, for the most part, cut their wrists, tried to hang themselves, tried to use carbon monoxide, and so on.

    Granted, there were more than a few manginas who claimed to have OD’d and such, but on the whole, dudes just seemed to be more committed, for lack of a better word.

    Side note – if caught in time, most attempts at suicide can be reversed, barring one. Jumping off of a tall building is about the only absolute method I am familiar with.

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  2. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Great post, Cill!
    Here is everyone’s favorite feminist responding to male suicide.

    Feminists hate men and this has spilled ove into the public. Before ManWoman Nyth took down his site and channel, in one of his videos, he had a chart showing suicide rates going back to the 60s. Men were higher than women then, but not the four times rate we see now.
    I hold society responsible for it. Who is condoning all the bad press and hateul lies?

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  3. molly says:

    I am upset and some tears as I remember my uncle who suicided, after a divorce by a feminist. He lost his home and children who were his life.

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  4. Cill says:

    I’m sorry about that, wee molly. Obviously I have some strong feelings too. I’m always here if you need a shoulder to lean on. 🙂

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  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is horrible what that Bad Aunt did to him. Cill covered this in a post a while ago. I don’t know what to say. It does sound as if he was a very good man.

    Since I haven’t seen you for a while, you must be hungry. 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄

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  6. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It seems that men are the opposite of women in suicide. Men don’t talk about it or threaten.. They just do it and effectively so.

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  7. Cill says:

    Sumo, I’ve had to deal with a few (all men), although nowhere near as many as you have. I’ll never forget one bloke I managed to talk out of it. He was a bright man, saying something along the lines of “The will to live is a trick nature plays on us to keep us chained to the cruelty of life. If it wasn’t for the will to live we’d all get out soon as we’re old enough to put two and two together.”

    When researching suicide, I came across articles that support what you say, that when a girl or woman “attempts” suicide, it’s more likely to be a cry for help than to kill herself. There was at least one article that tried to explain it away by saying girls are not as violent and thus less capable of killing themselves*. Crap. Girls are just as capable of falling off a bridge as boys are. It doesn’t take an act of brutish violence to do that.
    * I’ve edited the post to add that under “All Men’s Fault”.

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  8. Yoda says:

    t seems that men are the opposite of women in suicide. Men don’t talk about it or threaten.. They just do it and effectively so.

    Attention important to women it is.
    Men, less so it would be

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  9. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, thanks for the BR video. It’s a weird thing to say, but Big Red actually acted like a tonic on me during a somber moment just now. Man, she’s funny in a bizarrely warped, Jar-Jar kind of way.

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  10. Cill says:

    BTW, that wouldn’t be Kim Dot Com standing behind her… would it? The fat bloke wearing the shades?

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  11. Yoda says:

    Big Red pushes all a bit closer to scuicide she does

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  12. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think that is because her behavior is so outrageous. From a warped standpoint, she provides a litle comic relief.
    How did this bear end up in a tree in that neighbor hood?

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Who is Kim Dot Com?


  14. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, Kim Dotcom is of German ancestry, U.S.A. citizen (I think). American authorities have been seeking extradition of Dotcom to face charges of fraud, racketeering and money laundering in the U.S.A.

    He’s one of NZ’s lower-quality American immigrants. Most Americans who immigrate to NZ are top quality (same with Brits, Canadians, Australians, South Africans and Europeans – due to strict immigration rules we usually get good quality).


    BTW the video of The Bear Who Head Butts Mother Earth is balm for the troubled soul.

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  15. It”s deplorable that male suicide is not given the attention it deserves. Well said Cill. It’s not ok that everyone isn’t talking about how to help men feeling this way. 😦

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  16. Dragonfly says:

    So sorry Molly… 😦 having men one cares deeply about should put this crisis into perspective… It makes me wonder what kind of people are those who snigger at male suicide rates?
    Really sick ones.

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  17. Dragonfly says:

    Liz… If you’re reading this, how do you feel about this crisis in light of having boys? I feel like I constantlysee things like this and wonder if there’s any way to make them more aware later on– so that they are prepared for the worst in life and able to overcome it. I have no idea though… Will definitely ask my husband what he thinks too, but was curious about your thoughts.

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  18. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t think that was Kim Dotcom in the video. What would he be doing there?
    As for the bear video, while the bear could have come to grief, he was handled by men who looked after his interests. Nobody had any malice for the wayward bear. That’s what makes it such a good video.

    It’s because feminists truly believe that it is a zero sum game. Spend a dollar on something needed for men and it means there is one dollar less for women. It’s that petty.

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  19. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, you have to admire the temerity of that bear, taking on Mother Earth in a head-butt. Feminists and SJWs do it regularly, but one wouldn’t expect it of a bear.

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  20. Cill says:

    “I don’t think that was Kim Dotcom in the video. What would he be doing there?”

    We’ll just have to put it down to an uncanny resemblance 😉


  21. molly says:

    Thnak you Bloom and Dragonfly. xxoo Your baby is adorable! 🙂

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  22. molly says:

    “Thnak” shb “Thank”.

    I’m arrived at big cuzzy’s pad and he’s cooking me “something special”. It is soo quiet. Home away from home. 🙂


  23. molly says:

    Special thank you Fuzzie 🐻 as well!
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯 ❤

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You are most welcome, Molly.

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  25. Sumo says:

    I’ll never forget on one bloke I managed to talk out of it.

    I have spent many an hour talking to suicidal peeps partially in order to keep them from bringing harm to themselves while they were in my custody (no way in hell did I want to fill out that paperwork), but mainly because having to use violence against people who were obviously in distress was….distasteful to me.

    Against criminals or assholes, sure. You buy the ticket, you take the ride. But for someone in so much pain that they felt the only option was offing themselves? Even I’m not that much of a prick.

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  26. Sumo says:

    For the record, I’ve done it, but never lightly.

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  27. Cill says:

    I could expand on your comment, but this is the internet…

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Given the nature of what we’re discussing, that feminists would treat it with such contempt and the greater portion of women not care one way or the other, it’s well past time for men to revolt. The only question is how. I would like modern women to know what French women had to experience at the end of WWI. In a lot of towns, there were only old men and young boys.

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  29. molly says:

    My fab fav bear is Fuzzie Dubya Bear! Food 🌯

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  30. blurkel says:

    Only one thing prevents suicide in anyone: the desire to live. The only way anyone can save someone bent on suicide is to try to re-awaken that innate desire. Try is all one can do, for the real effort must come from the person evaluating whether there remains enough value in life to retain it.

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  31. blurkel says:

    @ Fuzzie

    I would like modern women to know what French women had to experience at the end of WWI. In a lot of towns, there were only old men and young boys.

    It was thus all over the US once the Civil War ended. With some 750k male deaths (according to recent recalculations), at least that many women went without partners. It was during this time that the “Boston Marriage” became common, and society accepted it while not promoting it. With such a hole in the population, how could one argue against it?

    I’m almost surprised that modern women have little clue about that time in our history. Edith Wharton -who is allegedly a favorite author regularly included on feminist reading lists- used the Boston Marriage scenario in at least a couple of her novels. She couldn’t have been the only one.

    Therefore, such ignorance of history can only be seen as willful.

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  32. Liz says:

    “utilized a fairly non-effective/easily reversible method, such as intentionally “overdosing” (one chick was so desperate for attention, she claimed that she “OD’d” on Tylenol),

    Sobering public service announcement. Tylenol does kill, and it’s a bad way to die. If you get to the hospital quickly (mucomyst is an antidote to tylenol, strangely); When I worked in the lab there were two patients who died of overdoses of over the counter medications (both took them for attention, and didn’t really think they would die, but they waited too long). It’s toxic to the organs once absorbed by the body. Tylenol in particular will fry the liver.

    Per the topic: I’ve known quite a few people to commit suicide or threaten suicide. Women made the threats (often for attention), I do know one woman who shot herself in the head though. Otherwise, it’s all men. Just last year (I think it was about this time) a neighbor hung himself from a tree. He was in the process of divorce and losing his family. My brother killed himself when I was in eighth grade. Russian roulette every night until it worked. No one knew.

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  33. Liz says:

    Dragonfly: “Liz… If you’re reading this, how do you feel about this crisis in light of having boys? I feel like I constantlysee things like this and wonder if there’s any way to make them more aware later on– so that they are prepared for the worst in life and able to overcome it. I have no idea though… Will definitely ask my husband what he thinks too, but was curious about your thoughts.”

    It scares the crap out of me, Dragonfly. 😦
    Especially since suicidal tendencies can run in families. I try to keep an eye on them and watch for signs, but it’s tough…for teens in particular and during the timeframe they are becoming men it can be such a stressful time.

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  34. On more than one occasion I have talked with people who were suicidal, both male and female. I don’t know where I heard this recommended, maybe from my college roommate who is a social worker, but I always ask them to promise to call me first. Luckily nobody has come that close but for some reason them getting them to promise you they will call first is a good deterrent. It’s always been very emotional and mostly random that I happen to have been the person there at the time they reveal whst they are thinking but I am glad in all cases I was and was seemingly able to help.

    I have also heard said that suicidal thoughts kind of fuel themselves. Once a person starts pondering it, it is hard to shake. It can become an almost all consuming thing. Not good.

    Suicides can also come in waves. A few years back there were several accruals and many more attempts among high school age kids. I think they called it “contagion.” Once someone does it, it can plant the seed in the mind of another. 😦

    I also know several people who have had a parent or someone close to them commit suicide. I am not sure if people think about how their suicide will affect others but it’s devastating. One person, her dad killed himself Christmas Eve. Every year now it is a reminder. I am sure he didn’t mean to forever ruin Christmas for his child, but he did. 😦

    Suicide sucks all around. I truly think it is not up to us to decide the time or place. However hopeless things seem, if we are here, we are here for a reason.

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  35. blurkel says:

    @ Bloom

    It’s not ok that everyone isn’t talking about how to help men feeling this way.

    As we’ve examined across the many moths since I joined here, we’ve been looking at the growing awareness that the value of people have gone down well below that of tradition. The Calvinist meme of capitalism essentially declares that humans are worth no more than the revenue they generate, and those who consume more than they create are essentially deemed sinful.

    Despite the efforts of women to achieve the ability to earn well, there remains the idea that men MUST earn more to be a suitable partner, where one might win a partner who would provide the necessary care you point toward with your comment.

    But we have found in our research that women will rarely mate down. They can’t easily respect a man who makes less than they do. And with the growing disparity between employment and the numbers of job seekers globally, this can only mean the problem is going to become much worse. Only when the value of a human is diverted away from only considering earning power can a change be possible.

    So why does society care more about women than men in emotional pain? A teacher I had in high school crudely explained this in class one day. He was talking about several topics of the day (1970), conflating them deliberately to come to an incredibly simplistic solution to the problems of the world. “We should stop sending men to war,” he declared. “We should instead send the women.”

    This of course got all the girls outraged. “Think about a herd of dairy cattle. How many bulls does it take to keep the cows producing milk?” Despite the fact that we lived in a part of Chicago close enough to dairy farms still present just beyond the suburbs back then, few of the students had ever visited one. The teacher then put it into terms more readily understood:

    “A cow carries a calf roughly the same amount of time a woman carries a baby. Once she’s pregnant, she’s unavailable for further procreation until the pregnancy is complete. A bull -or a man- isn’t tied down like that, and can go on to the next female and make her pregnant as well. and so on.

    “So if you are really worried about population growing past sustainable limits, send the women to war and there won’t be as many to breed. You need many women to breed, and it only takes one man to provide the necessary DNA.”

    To sum it up, men are expendable. One man can father an entire tribe. It thus doesn’t matter how many males die as long as one remains to found the next generation.

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  36. * actual not accrual


  37. Liz says:

    Women often threaten suicide to get their way. The bikini carwash girl I’ve mentioned in the past used this tactic so our friend wouldn’t break up with her when he found out she was cheating. And then the idiot married her (she probably threatened suicide for that, too)
    There was a person who worked for Mike that I’m sure had a crush on him. She was married and having “marital difficulties”. A really unstable person. She took some pills and Mike spent a lot of time in the hospital with her. I told him, watch out…she was a true a mess. But he felt sorry for her. I’m convinced she took the pills to get Mike’s attention.

    Fortunately she was sent to Iraq and found another husband out there.

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  38. Yoda says:

    Poor bear has to relive bouncing off of the trampoline forever he does.

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  39. SFC Ton says:

    I have two sons, one grown and one still on the tit

    Personally I don’t give a fuck about this crisis or that because my boy was raised to be a hard ass and so will Ton Spawn. He’ll have mission and rankly I don’t give a fuck if he makes it out of high school as long as he turns out in the Old School jump in a long boat and go burn some villages to the ground because its Tuesday sort of way

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  40. SFC Ton says:

    As a rule, women don’t give a fuck about men, even their own sons. most women are died in the wool feminist and never stop to think about the harm it does to boys/ men. Most women set out to turn their sons into beta chumps of the highest(lowest?) magnitude. If he gets laid and has a family she loses a potential resource to exploit.

    I tend to think men don’t care either as suicide is another way to cut down on the sexual competition

    Not that people think this way in a deliberate since its just part of the background programming

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  41. SFC Ton says:

    Liz makes another point in how women enrich the military…..


  42. SFC Ton says:

    I had one trooper suck start his 9mm. His old lady was whoring around while he was down range and taking his son across the country to California. Technically he was protected from the soldiers and sailors act but courts don’t care. Especially family courts around military towns. Any rate it hit the platoon hard.

    I am torn on the suicide thing. Surely it sucks at a personal/ family level but I also tend to think its weakness leaving the gene pool.


  43. Sumo says:

    Sobering public service announcement. Tylenol does kill, and it’s a bad way to die.

    My bad; should have mentioned that she took some ridiculous amount of pills (3 or 4, don’t recall exactly), called the police herself, then caused no end of drama once in the hospital.

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  44. Yoda says:

    then caused no end of drama once in the hospital.

    Much drama women do desire.
    Little practical use it it it would seem

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  45. Yoda says:

    Stutter I did


  46. Yoda says:

    For 900 years stuttered have I

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  47. Yoda says:

    His old lady was whoring around while he was down range and taking his son across the country

    Wonder what such sons think of women when they grow up I do.

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  48. molly says:

    Sigh. 4:15 a.m. awake is my record!
    I worry men will leave if I go to sleep, and I can’t find them when I wake up. I love my dad and uncles and brothers and cuzzies and friends and really do like boys and men 🙂

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  49. Spawny Get says:

    From the ‘women are the empathic sex’ files

    Remember that toxic twat Mustava Bhaji? Guess they shouldn’t have dropped charges. It seems she didn’t learn nothing
    #KillAllWhiteMen Tweeter Bahar Mustafa To Pamela Geller ‘You Deserve To Be Raped In Every Hole By Hordes Of Muslims‘

    The London university student responsible for the #KillAllWhiteMen hashtag has allegedly sent American blogger and radio personality Pamela Geller a degrading gang-rape e-mail telling her she “deserves to be raped in every hole by hordes of muslims”.

    Bahar Mustafa

    Addressed to Ms. Geller and apparently emanating from the official Goldsmith’s University email address for welfare and diversity officer Bahar Mustafa, the shocking email reads:

    “You deserve to be raped in every hole by hordes of muslims, slapping and choking you, spitting in your mouth and pissing in ya face [sic]”

    Defenders of embattled Mustafa, who has courted controversy for calling on her followers to #KillAllWhiteMen, claimed the email was a fraud and that the email address used was not genuine. Yet even a cursory glance at the Goldsmith’s Students Union website shows it to be her official email.

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  50. Spawny Get says:

    It’s not all bad news about Musty
    “She resigned her post as “welfare and diversity officer” at Goldsmiths University Student Union recently.”

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  51. Yoda says:

    “She resigned her post as “welfare and diversity officer” at Goldsmiths University Student Union recently.”

    Perhaps abolish the office they should

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  52. Liz says:

    “Defenders of embattled Mustafa, who has courted controversy for calling on her followers to #KillAllWhiteMen, claimed the email was a fraud and that the email address used was not genuine. Yet even a cursory glance at the Goldsmith’s Students Union website shows it to be her official email.”

    If she were a much different person, I might give her the benefit of the doubt.
    One time.
    But knowing this is pretty standard for her, no not so much. What a stupid crack.

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  53. Yeesh re that Mutfasa chick. That’s a lot of hate to say something like that :/ Wow. What the heck is wrong with her???

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  54. Spawny Get says:

    It’s great that Musty Minger has proven the critics that called her a purely misandric cunt wrong. She’s proven that she’s a misogynistic cunt too.

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  55. Liz says:

    “She’s proven that she’s a misogynistic cunt too.”

    Probably the only reason she was (most likely) pressured to resign.

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  56. Liz says:

    Perhaps we just need to understand her unique special culture.
    She was obviously sired by baboons.

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  57. Liz says:

    Perhaps baboon is a racial slur (though I have no idea of her ethnicity and couldn’t care less)…how about jackals? Meer cats?
    But she’s obviously a primate, and I do believe she would feel very very comfortable in a scat throwing monkey sanctuary shy of any actual people so what else to call it?

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  58. Spawny Get says:

    I reckon that the dropping of the prosecution was probably linked to the resignation.

    Having fought through to halfway into Milo’s stream on #FreedomOfTweets

    Sargon calls Steph Guthrie a ‘Cunt’

    I’m happy that my god given right to swear more than you lot is confirmed. We are full strength Anglo Saxons; we call a cunt a cunt.

    So, Musty Minger Bhaji is a ‘Guthrie’. An unemployed one, one assumes. Good.

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  59. Cill says:

    Officially she is of Turkish ethnicity. However, I think that’s just another lie. She’s of Mandrill descent, and a red-arsed loopy lefty one at that. Not very feminine either.

    [Cill edit : oops forgot the label. It’s MUSTAFUCKED]

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  60. Cill says:

    The eyes give it away. The family resemblance. And the big gob.

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  61. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    She really does believe that being Muslim and female mkes it impossible to be racist or sexist. It is a license to hate and act on it.

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  62. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I hope that you did get some sleep. You’re sweet and you gie a damn.


  63. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    From what I have heard, it is surprising that thre is not more of this in the military. What gets to me is that all authority is taking the side of the one doing the damage and condemninbg the innocent.

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  64. Cill says:

    One can listen to some of Mustafa’s more enlightened speeches here:

    Musty Minger’s Best Speeches
    [SG – edited for improverating]


  65. Cill says:

    I have edited the mandrill picture at 7:02 pm. Nothing major. Just a question of identity. And explanation.


  66. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Should we all pass the hat around for Behar Mustapha to get her a one way ticket to Damascus?

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  67. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, I improverated your link to Musty Minger’s speeches ^^^

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  68. Cill says:

    Thanks mate.

    It’s a toss-up between your “Musty Minger” and my “Mustafucked” picture at 7:02 pm


  69. Spawny Get says:


    I’m not totally sure that the ‘others’ know what a minger is. Or a minge.

    Are we indulging our Imperial Privilege?


  70. Cill says:

    Possibly. The third syllable of “Mustafucked” might be a bit imperialistic as well.


  71. Cill says:

    Thanks for lightening up the tone. If ever there was a topic that needed a diversion, it’s this one.

    Speaking for myself, I couldn’t commit suicide even if my life depended on it.


  72. Cill says:

    I hope that you did get some sleep”

    Her boat is still here and there’s not a sound from her room. Molly will be late for work today. Doesn’t matter much, she doesn’t have a boss.

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  73. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I hope that she is dreaming of bees bringing her honey.

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  74. Cill says:

    Notwithstanding my levity at 8:27 pm, I can’t think of a more serious subject than male suicide. I’m afraid it affected my little cuz last night. In an uncharacteristic switch of normal patterns, she stayed awake while I went to sleep. Haven’t spoken to her about it yet.

    Suicide does leave scars in those who are left grieving. I’m sure if molly’s (and my) Uncle had known the scars his suicide would leave behind, he would not have killed himself. Having known him so well, I can guarantee that if there is an after life, he’ll be in anguish about it now.

    Bloom’s idea of asking a suicidal person to promise not to “do it” before speaking to her first is excellent. I think pointing to the scars that the suicide would leave behind might a deterrent as well. I was a young adult, but molly was just a child. In such a stable family the shock of it was terrible. I don’t think we’ll ever completely get over it. That’s where molly’s nightmares about “men leaving” come from.

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  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Give these to Molly when she wakes. They are breakfast burritos.
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄

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  76. Cill says:

    Good idea Fuzzy. I’ll cook her three burritos IRL and say they’re from you. That will make her feel good about the new day I’m sure. No signs or soujnds of her stirring yet. I’ll print off your comment too, and fold it like a birthday card. That’ll bring a smile to her face.

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  77. SFC Ton says:

    When my trooper killed himself he just snapped. He was arguing on the phone with his whore… I mean wife, said fuck you bitch and pulled the trigger

    I’m not an expert, do folks talk about killing themselves in advance? I had a relative eat gun when his health got bad but I think that is a good deal different then what we are discussing

    Master Yoda, who would be around to tell his sons the truth?

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  78. Cill says:

    Ton it wouldn’t have worked in my Uncle’s case either. A family member rang to inform him his brother had died. He just put down the phone and killed himself. No talking to anybody.

    He and his brother (the one I referred to as Uncle J) were each going through the mother of all frivorces, their wives co-ordinating their efforts to do as much damage as possible. Uncle J died of a “broken heart” (my mum’s words at the time) and the news of his death was the last straw for his brother. For molly, there were 2 loved ones gone while she slept.

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  79. @ Cill, I think that monkey is, ahem, a boy. And an excited one at that! Lol. The monkey deserves more dignity than to have that witch likened to him.

    In semi related news, Red has the kids for both Thanksgiving and Christmas this year. I remarked that was odd, as it’s typical to have one or the other so it staggers them. He said his ex set it up that way, wanting the kids both holidays last year after filing for frivorce. She didn’t think that thru and naturally is squawking now they Gould change it. Red is sticking to the agreement, and rightfully so. He said she can see how it feels. Then he said he was surprised last year he didn’t off himself over the holidays, he felt so alone. 😦 I told him I was sure glad he didn’t.

    As for if men plan it or do it impulsively to a bad situation, I’d say it’s likely a little of both. One guy I talked out of it, his wife (and omg she is such a witch) drained the bank account and bought last minute tickets for her and her daughter to go to Hawaii when the daughter graduated high school. He was left to figure out how to recover $6,000 out of thin air to pay his bills and also his beer and other accounts for the country store he ran at that time. I just happened to notice a day colored in solid black on his calendar on the wall and asked about it, only to be surprised to hear it was the day he planned to off himself, he felt so trapped and could not see any way out. The day was Father’s Day which he had been left to celebrate alone, if his stupid wife even remembered. A few years later they lost the store, then their home. I wonder about him yet, and hope he’s kicked her to the curb and is enjoying life.

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  80. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    SFC Ton,
    Do you remember Sott from SSM’s blog? He was a counseloe in the military. He said something that sruck with me. It’s only twenty minutes from impulse to action. That soes make [revention or intervention tough.

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  81. SFC Ton says:

    That sucks brother. May God be with you and yours

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  82. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    To lose both Uncles in a day? Your poor family! Poor Molly for being so young.

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  83. SFC Ton says:

    Scott is a good man but an officer so most likely completely bereft of piratical and useful information

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  84. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    After reading your comment, I have to wonder, can men be doing themselves in because they would never consider doing in their wives? I am starting to see a pattern here.

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  85. SFC Ton says:

    is suicide an example of utterly lacking in outcome independence?

    I really don’t get it. I’d rather kill my problems then myself, or do really dangerous shit until it catches up with you. Leastwise then you have cool stories to tell at the afterlifebar

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  86. Spawny Get says:

    Not everyone will talk. Not always about despair

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  87. molly says:

    Fuzzie thank you for the burritos and the card! 🙂 Dee-lish! Can you tell me what the food in the burritos was? (heh heh 😉 )

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  88. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Breakfast burritos have srambled egg, ham, and cheese. High protein! Yum!
    I”ll bet the ones Cill made for you were more exotic.

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  89. molly says:

    Pipis and scallops and clams with peppery watercress. YEE-UM! 😉

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  90. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You just made me think of Manhattan Clam Chowder. It can’t go into a burrito though.

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  91. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It’s already Thursay in New Zealand. When it’s Thursday here, it’ll be Thanksgiving. I think that I’ll go visit friends.

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  92. Cill says:

    Molly and I have been sitting here replaying Fuzzy’s video of Big Red (25 November, 2015 at 3:39 am), laughing ourselves out of breath.

    6 months ago I wouldn’t have believed I’d ever say this, but I find her oddly therapeutic in her absurdly over-the-top daft clownish behavior. Should I be worried?

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  93. molly says:

    Therapeutic for MGTOW! 😀 If only she knew! (tee hee hee)

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  94. Cill says:

    Here’s the mentality:

    I’m no fan of Dr Phil. However
    The extent of her lies and spite towards her husband will be commensurate with the extent to which the group-think has persuaded her that he deserves it. And this is irrespective of the truth. Such was the case with my 2 rogue aunts-in-law.

    In most cases, though, the group-think is not specifically about an individual man. It can be as generalized as the negative stereotype Feminism has created of all men, as reinforced daily by the MSM.

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  95. Spawny Get says:

    The woman making the men’s rights movie said she enjoyed interviewing Big Red, iirc. Big asked to be listed as Big Red in the credits, rather than Chanty Binx.

    Big would put on a better show if she had a Punch for her to play Judy to. That’s the way to do it *whack*

    (For our colonial brethren. Punch traditionally whacks Judy with a truncheon whilst calling out the catch phrase)

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  96. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly and Cill,
    Here’s some more.

    You’re not crazy. I find her weirdly comforting too. It must be because she is consistant.
    In the prome for Cassie Jaye’s documentary “The Re Pill”, she will be interviewed. It’ll be released Fall ’16.

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  97. Spawny Get says:

    That ain’t no woman! That’s a man, man.

    Jawline plus developing stubble.


  98. Spawny Get says:

    Good news everyone!

    From the anals of GamerGate

    Kotaku was one of the ‘Gamers are dead’ conspirators. It seems that the blowback from GamerGaters against them is really biting the schmucks.

    (Yes, anals not annals. No typo)

    Goodnight. Happy Thanksgiving

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  99. Moehau Man says:

    “Jawline plus developing stubble.”

    Yes well, I wouldn’t have tupped her if she didn’t have a hairy chest.

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  100. Moehau Man says:

    …and blue chalk on her arse, of course.

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  101. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I’m mad at the Bad Aunts. I think that Big Red would be an improvement.

    It did take Dr. Phil a while to pin her down. I have to wonder, how may Domestic Violence cases are completely false? At a guess, a lot.Ten months in jail, she should be charged.

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  102. SFC Ton says:

    Turkeys to smoke and Turkey to drink, happy thanksgiving y’all

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  103. Cill says:

    Have a Turkey shot for me. (A liquid one I mean)

    [Cill edit: What I meant to say is:
    Have a shot of Turkey for me]

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  104. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    The last I heard, gmergate set back Gawker media in the middle seven figures. Now, Kotaku is going to bite the dust?
    Thwse people should have stuck to reporting news.
    Also, they should not have bitten the hand that feeds them.

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  105. Cill says:

    “Kotaku is going to bite the dust”

    Words can’t express my delight at that prospect.

    Wasn’t spawnyspace blacklisted way back when?

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  106. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think our Patriarch was #6307 on their list.
    All this fuss to protect the reputation of Zoe Quinn????

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  107. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    More from Dalrock about the pastor stuk in an Iranian prison for the last three years. The people siding with his wife, accusing him of domestic violence, are doubling down and it is beyond absurd.

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  108. Cill says:

    First introduced to me by Fuzzy, this is BR at her best.

    BR rapping for Feminism:

    BR raps with passion and zeal .

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  109. I didn’t read the whole thing about the pastor’s wife but I’d bet anything she’s laying the groundwork to “excuse” her divorce. I wouldn’t be surprised if her branch swing isn’t all lined up. It’s all so predictable… Sad.

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  110. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That is the third post from Dalrock in as many days on this topic. While I am sure you are right, it really strains credibility to accuse him of abuse when he has been in a foreign prison for the last three years.She is a terrible wife. That she is getting Chritians to support her confirms that men are always bad and woen are always good in their eyes.

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  111. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That Big Red! Do you think that Moe has a friend that sweep her off her feet?

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  112. Moehau Man says:

    Well she has asked for a re-run of our last tryst a couple of times, but I’m a bit loath. It’s one thing to give a foreign sheila a good rogering, but something else altogether when she’s screaming out loud enough to blow the neighbour’s outhouse door off of its hinges. I must admit, though, she could take a Moehau Moe hammering better than other foreign sheilas. I’m looking for an oblong rock wide enough to stifle her with. As Mrs Moehau Man (my practical old mum) says, “It’ll be a squarish peg in a roundish hole, but fortune favors the bold. Maybe the rock will shut her up long enough for you to ride her again with great whooping groans like last time.”

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  113. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Moehau Man,
    I don’t think that Big Red would be a good prospect for long term. Better to stick to Moehau Mn sheilas. They know how to make picklets.


  114. Moehau Man says:

    BTW for newcomers to this blog: Moehau Mans never do cowgirl or reverse cowgirl. We only do mish and dog.


  115. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, Fuzzie, you and Mrs Moehau Man (my conservative old mum) both gave me the same advice at exactly the same time (3:03 am).

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  116. molly says:

    Hell-oo-hoo! I’m home! 🙂

    Last night when I couldn’t sleep, I got mad thinking of the Aunts. I decided *Don’t get mad get even*. The Aunts live far away, so I picked on the local fembot, the PPP.

    I bought an icecream in a cone and went out on the balcony at work and aimed it at her head! 😉 She was sipping her afternoon coffee straight below. It hit the table and splooped over her business jacket.

    Hee heee hee! I had to stop watching when she looked up.

    Heh. I hoped it would land on her head like a clown’s hat, yet I feel better now. 🙂

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  117. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Moehau Man,
    Your Mum is wise indeed. I don’t think that she is ready for Big Red to be her daughter in law. She must also like peace and quiet.

    I wouldn’t have minded stayting up to keep you company if I’d known.
    I don”t know what to think of playing tricks on the PPP. It is right that you are mad at the Bad Aunts though.

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  118. Sumo says:

    Stories like that, wee Molls, make me think that I’ve been a bad influence on you.

    It’s nice to know that I haven’t lost my touch.

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  119. Forget suicide, living well is the best revenge! None of us are going to get out of here alive anyway, may as well whoop it up while we can! Cheers!

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!! I am thankful to have met all of you and shared much fine discussion. May we all grow old, live full lives, see red pill thinking go mainstream, and be able to say we knew it way back when! 😀

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  120. (Wheels out a roasted turkey with cornbread stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, sweet corn, green bean casserole, yams, rolls, salad, cranberry sauce, various pies, whipped cream, and vanilla bean ice cream. Assorted beverages alcoholic and non as well.) Enjoy the feast! 🙂

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  121. Cill says:

    Well said, Bloom! Well said.

    Hell if I were in a situation where I was going to die anyway, I’d go out with a bang (probably by taking a shitload of the enemy with me).

    We don’t have Thanksgiving, but anyway, Happy Thanksgiving to you Americans.

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  122. Cill says:

    Wwwwow. You wouldn’t happen to have a bottle of single malt on that food wagon, Bloom?

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  123. Cill says:

    “I’ve been a bad influence on you”.

    There’s also the small matter of molly and I sharing the same grandmother, bro 😉

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  124. Sumo says:

    No disrespect to yer grandma, mate, but I cannot bring myself to believe that she was as badass as The Mighty Sumo. 😀

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  125. Sumo says:

    Also, Thanksgiving was 6 weeks ago. But hey, if the ‘Murricans want to play catch up, then I guess I can wish them all a happy day.

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  126. Cill says:

    That serene, patrician lady sure did pass on some hellraiser genes.

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  127. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thanks Bloom! May you have a great Thanksgiving too!

    Thanksgiving is the only holiday that is not corrupted by materilaism While it’s secular, it celebrates family. That is a good thing.
    Canada has Thanksgiving but, on a different day than us. Maybe you could promote it? Put all the PPPs to work roasting turkeys. What a thought!

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  128. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    This is for you. It’s not as good as an aviation video.


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  129. Cill says:

    Test new cell phone

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  130. Liz says:

    “She really does believe that being Muslim and female mkes it impossible to be racist or sexist. It is a license to hate and act on it.”

    Yes. It’s interesting that one can’t blame any culture for bad actions except western culture. Muslims? It isnt’ their culture, there’s is the culture of peace! They’re just acting out against bad “white” actions. Ghetto culture? It isn’t the culture, they’re just acting out against bad “white” actions. Seems the only culture anyone is allowed to blame is the one the works.

    “white” actually includes a lot of “minority” people. If you’re black or asian and own a business that was destroyed in black riots, you’re an actual working, contributing human so you are part of the “white” problem.

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  131. Liz says:

    Forgot to say: Happy thanksgiving all! 🙂

    I guess that above post sounds a little grumpy, but I’m not grumpy. The day is squee!

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  132. Liz says:

    Molly “I bought an icecream in a cone and went out on the balcony at work and aimed it at her head!”

    Back in highschool, Mike used to fill up a long piece of surgical tubing with water. It created a very high pressure hose when released. They’d drive around and douse people with this thing. Very surprising to get hit with a high pressure hose from someone’s car. They were evil!

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  133. blurkel says:

    New post scheduled for November 27 at 6:30 PM PST

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  134. SFC Ton says:

    Thanksgiving is secular? Tell that to the folks in Jamestown, who celebrated the 1st official day of giving thanks to the Almighty



  135. SFC Ton says:

    if you ever get the chance grab a bottle of Wild Turkey Rare Breed. 108 proof and smooth as smooth gets.


  136. Liz says:

    Just to add:
    Fuzzie: “That is the third post from Dalrock in as many days on this topic. While I am sure you are right, it really strains credibility to accuse him of abuse when he has been in a foreign prison for the last three years.She is a terrible wife. That she is getting Chritians to support her confirms that men are always bad and woen are always good in their eyes.”

    If it is true that she is adding the groundwork for divorce/adultery/whatnot you are correct and she is a terrible wife. Actually, beyond terrible. SHe is an absolute horror of a human being.

    Nothing has changed since what I posted over at Dalrocks, however. The only thing that has changed is that other media sources are citing the CT article and going with it, and Dalrock is responding to those. So even though I’ve been called all sorts of names and I may be “cursed” and “emotional” and whatnot, I maintain this:

    Naghmeh sent some emails that she regrets and by all appearances (based on the LACK of appearances/statements) feels shame for. There is no record (unless Caldo would be willing to provide that link he alluded to earlier) of these exchanges nor do we know precisely who received them, beyond the indirect testimony of the Christian Times. Whether true or not the Christian Times should not have published any of this information as it is quite obvious Naghmeh does not wish it to go further. That was irresponsible in the extreme. I will state absolutely, for the record that IF Naghmeh wants to press on with the assertion that her husband was abusive, she is a horrible human being.

    Now the media at large is taking this indirect information taken without context and spinning it for sensational purposes (exchanges between “experts” discussing this and that…no comment from Naghmeh, the person who ostensibly made these messages).
    That’s not very Christian. It is, however, a sign of the times that news (even so called Christian news) has become nothing more than gossip and entertainment.

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  137. Liz says:

    Just to add further (and then I’m done with this issue, pinky promise), if she is remorseful I expect her to make a public statement exonerating her husband. But I’m not surprised she hasn’t made that public statement yet. First, she seems simple. Second, women are more likely to cow when they feel shame rather than facing the public (yes, I’m going to give her the benefit of the doubt here…only based on her history). Third, any time I’ve seen this type of thing before (no, I’ve never seen exactly this but similar enough) it wasn’t the person’s immediate reaction to go back onto the media right away. And she has been out there for three years, trying times, whatnot, I’m just giving it time to let the air clear and see what happens (we’ll all know the truth soon enough and I might very well be wrong).

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  138. SFC Ton says:

    remorseful? I doubt she is.

    In the course of human history you can probably count the number of truly remorseful women on one hand


  139. Liz says:

    You might be right, Ton.
    But if she is this underhanded and devious I have very very much misjudged her. This is dark triad level stuff.

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  140. Spawny Get says:

    Psychotic Swedish Minister Asa Romson cries before cameras because the country is forced to restrict illegal migrants.

    She should be at home looking after her fifty cats. And getting her medication checked. Crying over this? As deputy prime minister? Fucksakes

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  141. SFC Ton says:

    Remember I have no 1st hand knowldge of her or the situation but I do have a shit ton of experience with women and women who’s husbands are gone for a long time

    Most women are dark triad as their default setting, not having claws, fangs or strength to protect themselves nature equipped them with far more dangerous tools of deceit, deception, misdirection. The psyops/ counter intell guys have nothing on women

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  142. SFC Ton says:

    No Spawny she should be home tending to her 5 kids healthy White kids and getting diner ready for her husband because the fucking hajis shouldn’t be there in the 1st place

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  143. SFC Ton says:

    but remember everything women do ( and progressive men are women down deep) is about social status signaling and her tears are how she signals to other progressives that she is still one of them despite having to reduce the rate of White genocide

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  144. BuenaVista says:

    The woman betraying her imprisoned husband is middle-of-the-road *normal.* This is revealed by the cliche that is her talking-point explanation as to why and how she was “abused” and “betrayed.”

    We’ve talked about this someplace before. When divorced women want to justify their actions, they resort to the same checklist, and then issue one of about five “I was abused” talking points. Oddly, none of them is ever, “I want more money” or “Bob is better in bed” or “I’m bored out of my skull.”

    Once a woman issues her “I was a victim because … so I *had* to divorce him” talking points, she is generally rewarded by her peers and by white knights. “Oh, you poor poor dear” etc.

    On the other thread I mentioned the woman who “forgot” that she wasn’t divorced yet. In the same message she outlined the reasons for her divorce, though I hadn’t asked. I got two of the five talking points. A woman has to be pretty hot to overcome that behavior with a man who has dated more than 9 women.

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  145. I hope that clock kid doesn’t get a dime! Should the guards at the stadium in Paris have overlooked those suspicious vests and let the (surprise!) suicide bombers inside to kill God knows how many, rather than possibly be wrong about that? The officials reacted 100% as I would hope they would were my kid at that school. Way better safe than sorry, even if someone’s feeewlings get hurt. The world is too dangerous a place to ignore anything like that, regardless of one’s color or faith. I would hope they would react exactly the same to a white kid with what looked like a bomb. Or a Hispanic kid. Or a black kid. Or an Asian kid. Or a purple people eater kid. Pfffft… I am getting veclempt! 😛

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  146. Spawny Get says:

    “she should be home tending to her 5 kids”

    Which raises an interesting question.

    If such a woman (I don’t know anything about this particular woman, so generally speaking) had taken a different path, hubby’n’kids, would she be mentally stable? Do some women go mental if they don’t partner up? Is there an age when the denial of their mammalian reflex to pair up and breed actually starts to break some of them? After which, it’s better that they don’t breed. Can you imagine such a woman raising mentally balanced kids? Whether hubby is around, or not?

    This is a risk (damaged kids) that I actively chose not to take. I saw the intended mother of my children change into her mother. At which point, I realised that I did not want kids that might do the same. This is when I decided that there would be no kids. No kids meant that…well…I wasn’t worried about remaining married. When she subsequently broke the marriage, I was already mentally prepared. Still hurt a lot. A lot. But it was broken into two stages, rather than one.

    I think that there’s a mirroring issue in men. As I related previously, one of my BIL told me post-divorce that I’d never have kids because ‘I was too selfish’. My reaction was, you’re fucking spot on there. It seems that even a blue pill, trad-con(UK), ASD spactrum bloke can be right about something…who knew?

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  147. Spawny Get says:

    “Once a woman issues her “I was a victim because … so I *had* to divorce him” talking points, she is generally rewarded by her peers and by white knights. “Oh, you poor poor dear” etc.”

    Yep. Very much so. Seen this up close.

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  148. SFC Ton says:

    “If such a woman (I don’t know anything about this particular woman, so generally speaking) had taken a different path, hubby’n’kids, would she be mentally stable?”

    I think this is likely and probably near on universal, but dependent on the mans frame. Masculine frame sets them to right. Dollars to donuts that Cill’s women folk are jewels because of his frame as much as anything else. Yes she would have a different path. I have had way to many SIW types happy to rush home and sit at my feet to think otherwise. Also my 1st poly home, the girls knew it was time to live with a a man when their relationship started turning to shit. Within a month or so under me they felt back to right with each other.

    Not the best evidence based argument around but I am not sure there would ever be research along these lines so I think personal experience is all we have to go on. Also it is true of chickens. A good roaster sets the hens on a good path.

    “Do some women go mental if they don’t partner up? ” Yes and again this is near on universal.

    “Is there an age when the denial of their mammalian reflex to pair up and breed actually starts to break some of them? After which, it’s better that they don’t breed.” I reckon this to be so though not sure at what age this would began, how long it takes etc.

    “Can you imagine such a woman raising mentally balanced kids? Whether hubby is around, or not?” I cannot. A husband will only off set her as liability to the extent of his frame. The stronger his masculine presence, the more he will offset her dysfunction.

    I think this is all so because the point of life is to reproduce. Creation? Be fruitful and multiply. or if you an evolution kind of man we are the product of the successful breeders. Either way it is programmed into us. Men have other roles, biology women do not

    You are a mature and free man Spawny. I have no doubt you did what was best and right under the circumstances and it is likely you’d have a passel of children if things were different

    In the military, every thing that goes wrong is the responsibility of leadership. Good leaders turn shit troops into good troops; shit leaders turn good troops into shit. Good troops never turn around shit leaders, shit leaders always ruin good troops, and good leaders can not fix all shitheads under him. That’s how I view the masculine/ feminine/ family dynamic…. 24 years and all it pretty much colors my world view but it is all on men.

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  149. Spawny Get says:

    “but it is all on men”

    Now this is a bit of a tricky issue for MGTOWs, but I mostly go along with you. As a MGTOW my instant reaction to “men need to step up” is GFY. I didn’t break it. Fucked if I’m going to put myself in jeopardy / pay a high cost to fix it…BUT

    Female nature run riot is bad news because it only takes a few to go mental (radfem) and the rest of the herd won’t bring them back into line. This is what we see around us, a few mental wimminz are poisoning everything, but the other women (at best) don’t buy into it. Very, very few even say anything (Honey Badger Brigade). Wimminz en masse do not seem to have a mechanism to control their mad element. They also (many of them) appear to enjoy seeing men get shit upon because ‘wimminz oppressed throughout history’ bollocks…even when women will end up getting it worse. Women do useless jobs more than men. When society goes broke (any day now), what the fuck do they think will happen to their lovely paper pushing job that achieves slightly less than sweet fuck all? When the SHTF men are the ones that get shit done. Always has been, always will.

    It seems to me that there needs to be something outside the herd (i.e. men) that drop the bar on the crazies and then the herd figures out a way to rub along in society in a reasonable way.

    The modern issue is really the number of sackless manginas and white knights that make the issue so costly to men to fix. They enable the psychos.

    What makes sackless manginas and white knights? Single Moms and (seems to me) a lot of mental illness in both men and women. The r/K thing seems to be very real. The mad people are ‘r’ Rabbit types that genuinely do not seem to recognise reality. Right in front of them are the stats on kids raised by single moms, divorce initiation by women 2:1, actual rape vs 1 in 4…and they cannot see it. I swear that they are truly fucked in the head. That’s my medical diagnosis. (‘K’ is Wolf type. Reality facing people. Us. Here. Male & female).

    Once you have a critical mass of FITH ‘r’ types, the rational path for many men is to walk away and let them rabbits get themselves killed. Nothing less than a real, direct physical threat to themselves will get ‘r’ types to acknowledge their error. I’m being optimistic there. Some will not get it. They’ll walk into the shower block and wonder why the water system doesn’t work and what the strange almond smell is when the odd canisters come through the roof vents. I believe that there is experimental evidence that in dangerous SHTF situations, most people are incapable of acting in a rational manner.

    So yeah, I kind of agree with you. But my current estimation is that rabbits gonna rabbit and doing anything about it is currently suicidal and pointless. I’ll look on from poolside and wait for developments. The aftermath is when it makes sense to join in. Don’t know that I’ll live long enough to see that, me being a grumpy old git. ( 🙂 )

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  150. Cill says:

    “her tears are how she signals to other progressives that she is still one of them despite having to reduce the rate of White genocide”. Pretty much sums up the whole damn thing:

    Emotion ahead of Reason –> Group-think –> group bias –> Feminist “Patriarchy” doctrine –> the straight white male responsible for all evil –> the Crusade for Diversity –> the deliberate destruction of the civilization that white men built –> rate of destruction not occurring fast enough for her liking –> she weeps to signal to other progressives that she is still one of them despite having to reduce the rate of White genocide –> …
    ad nauseam

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  151. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    In reference to your question about the Deputy Prime Minister of Sweden, while I don’t anything about her, it’s not healthy for women to live without men. Somehow, men provide a path to ground. While in Genesis God says, “It is not good for man to be alone”, that women being alone, at that time, was presumed.
    I had Thanksgiving dinner with my neighbors. One of the usual guest is a step granddaughter. She finally found a boyfriend and, what a difference. She’s warm, loving, and human. Before, she was a stinker.

    I believe that, in the past, women policed the herd. For some reason, that has gone out the window with feminism. There are no social restraints now.

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  152. Spawny Get says:

    El Fuzz,
    very happy to hear that you passed a pleasant meal in good company.

    “Somehow, men provide a path to ground.”
    Yes. I think that that is true. I think that many women lack an anchor that holds them steady against emotions. I think that some find that being a mother causes them to hold themselves to a higher standard. Perhaps many just don’t think it matters before then that they act as a leaf in a hurricane of emotions? They just wonder why sane men run from them.

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  153. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    It’s not so much that sane men run from them, it’s that the only men they can find are ones that will use them. They aren’t seeing the sane ones.

    For some teason, Liz’s hypothesis on Tinder is rattling around in my head. It is pertinent. I have the feeling that sane men are avoiding Tinder too.

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  154. Cill says:

    An update re Frame and Wisdom of the Ages:

    Our mothers kept us boys well informed about the Wisdom, not because we needed to learn it but because they expected us to know the ways of women and be the leaders. From the beginning, they sought guidance from the men:

    “This is how we are doing things, and what we are teaching our daughters. Please tell us if we’re doing anything wrong.”

    This site, spawnyspace, has not escaped their notice. They’ve been mentioning the word “frame” and a couple of days ago asked me to meet them to explain it to them. I found that they already understood it well, which is hardly surprising since they’ve been teaching the same concept under different words for centuries. But as they say, “frame” brings a lot of words together and into the 21st Century. They want frame, not for girls, but as a key characteristic to look for in a man.

    So they want to bring “frame” into the Wisdom to be passed to future generations. This is quite something, as the Wisdom is very slow-building, and has been added to less than once per generation.

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  155. Spawny Get says:

    That’s flattering to hear, Cill. They’re welcome to join in the discussion. Very welcome.

    If the banter here is too bantery and they’re looking for a more analytical approach, I’d suggest

    I believe that the book is mostly his (‘Rollo Tomassi’) blog material, but I’ve not read it or the blog very often. I respect what I have read, but as you may have noticed, I’m MGTOW. I’m not looking. Rollo is sometimes mistaken for PUA, that being his back history. But he’s not that (anymore?) He’s been interviewed on the subject of MGTOW and said reasonable things – I have no issue with what he said.

    Anyone wanting to discuss his material in this environment (SpawnySpace) is very welcome to write a post and we’ll take it from there. Comments are more relaxed here. I believe that Liz has had a few turbulent times there (it’s a man blog, I’m not against push back, but) maybe a more relaxed discussion might be fruitful?

    I’m currently very happy with the tone of the blog. If someone wants to introduce more analytical material amongst the fun? I’m up for that. I’m very relaxed about what is talked about. Some issues make me more Anglo-Saxon (sweary) than others. If you can get past that, then we’re fine.

    I think that this is the interview that I listened to.

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  156. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post

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  157. Spawny Get says:

    Rollo Tomassi’s blog: http://www.therationalmale.com
    The comment threads can be immense…


  158. Cill says:

    Thanks mate. I’ll pass that on to them.

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  159. SFC Ton says:

    Macro vs micro Spawny.

    In the macro you are correct, in the micro, if a man wants a woman etc I am correct.That’s how things stand and how he must act.

    I fully support mgtow as I do men who elect not to. Either way I want men to make decisions based on legit intell and an understanding of their abilities and liabilities

    I am fair certain the only reason women use to police the herd(if they did, I am not sold on the idea) it is because they knew men were required and certain behaviors were required for women to land draft horses. I mean husbands.

    I think it is much more believable that men policed each other and the herd then woman policed themselves. As you all know I do not believe in any sort of “rights” for women. Not in the political sense at least. I do not support women voting, owning property, making decision on who they marry etc etc and I do not believe any significant number of women can keep themselves in check let alone walk away from feminism/ progressiveness and back toward healthy relationship with men, large healthy families, healthy nations etc etc

    Frame really is an outstaying word.

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  160. BuenaVista says:

    The discussion of ‘frame’ is revealing, because it reveals how low we’ve sunk.

    ‘Frame’ is just being a traditional man. Who ever asked John Basilone or Lindbergh how he maintained ‘frame’?

    Tons use of ‘frame’ just reminds men to be men, and ignore the cultural noise.


  161. SFC Ton says:

    Isn’t that the classic masculine mind set BV? To stand on your own as your own regardless of how shit is going down? A mind set understood by Spartans, Saxons and cowboys in 1870′ Texas

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  162. Spawny Get says:

    “I fully support mgtow as I do men who elect not to. Either way I want men to make decisions based on legit intell and an understanding of their abilities and liabilities”


    I also think that some men were not cut out to be mgtow. It comes at a very high cost to some. I don’t blame such men for taking the gamble. As you say, making decisions on legit info.

    I don’t need everyone to agree with me on everything, or indeed anyone on anything.


  163. Cill says:

    I wouldn’t dismiss Frame, as it been been discussed here, as easily as that.


  164. BuenaVista says:

    Yes, it is Ton. What’s so weird is chicks go to the movies to see Newman, Grant, Brando and Craig. Then they say they need a sensitive, deferring, dishwashing-pre-sex experience. And THEN they tell us how to be successful with women.

    When I meet a woman who cleans house better than, or my grandmother, then I’ll placate with a nawalt grovel.

    Enogh for me today, I have to go move snow.

    Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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  165. BuenaVista says:

    I know I annoy you Will, but I didn’t ‘dismiss’ it. I said it is a neutral, PC way of saying ‘for fucks sake, Steve McQueen didn’t need no frame.’

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  166. Cill says:

    “And THEN they tell us how to be successful with women.”
    Classed dismissed.


  167. BuenaVista says:


    I do have to move snow now. Ciao.


  168. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, they may want to look into ‘frame’ in the context of NLP. It’s very interesting as long as they (the website people) don’t try and get you to send them money in order to get de magical powers…

    I skimmed this book some years ago, interesting. Short book, very readable. Don’t think that I got to the end before being diverted on to other things, but give her a burl (? Correct usage of foreign speak ?)
    I’m not sure that I consciously use it, but I am aware of framing of issues by others. That’s helpful in itself.


  169. Spawny Get says:

    “Tons use of ‘frame’ just reminds men to be men, and ignore the cultural noise.”

    That’s how I understand Ton to use the word. That’s fine. It makes complete sense in this context.

    The book talks about the wider concept. INTJ me finds it very interesting that human minds are prone to NLP type stuff. Knowing about it allows one to not fall for it. And to recognise when scumbags are edging into it – early warning of the character you’re dealing with.

    Are we really going to argue about this? What’s to argue?


  170. Cill says:

    Spawny at 10:28 pm. You used “Burl” correctly. I’ll look into that when I get a minute. I’m busy shifting rocks with heavy machinery.

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  171. Spawny Get says:

    Hey Cill, I’m busy too. Fire’s lit, Z Nation on the projector, beers are cold.

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  172. Cill says:

    “What’s to argue?”
    Agreed. Let’s move on.

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  173. Cill says:

    “Fire’s lit, Z Nation on the projector, beers are cold.”
    Onya, mate.

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  174. Spawny Get says:

    Unicorn sighting on new thread.


  175. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    SFC Ton,
    I followed your link on the female robot. It doesn’t surprise me that Japan is leading this field. From what I have been able to learn from an oddball American born Japanese resident youtuber, sex in Japan is restricted to marriage and there is no sex in marriage. Husbands and wives snap at each other. No wonder two thirds of the young men have gone herbivore. Also, it gets worse. The man is expected to pull eighty hour work weeks, hand over the paycheck to the wife, and she gives him an allowance that covers lunch.

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  176. Spawny Get says:

    What the women of Japan forgot. And they made it too obvious

    We’re on the same path, I think. But culturally, our men are better equipped to make their own way…just an opinion. Herbivores appear to have given up on life, mgtow are supposed just to give up on women.

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  177. SFC Ton says:

    It is likely Frame is one of those simple things that cannot be defined and will be demonstrated differently by different men but has to include outcome independence, men being men and focused on their mission despite cultural noise.

    My go to example for Frame use to be BV, BB and myself at J4G’s. Super bidness dude, former SEAL, now bidness dude/ professor and myself bad boy coupled with more rigorous military training. Also I got the impression it was a farm boy who made it big with some serious schooling; urban/ urbane dude with what I assume is a shit ton of schooling and hillbilly who dropped out of high school and would be happy never walking into a town bigger then say 15k unless its to fuck their women and maybe burn it down on the way out. Lets face it, my Harley is the modern version of a long-ship for me. All of us have Frame all in different fashions that will appeal to different women, with BB most likely having the widest appeal.

    Frame is one of those things I think about a lot. I know that I have it but not in any sort of formal fashion. I read Trump’s father really schooled him in how to dominate social settings. My father never wanted anything from me beyond being a hard ass who didn’t quite. The one common thread between us is a shit ton of physical testing.The kind that mentally breaks a lot of men. Though BV is modest and would most likely dismiss my point on that.

    I am probably a bad one to talk about Frame because I never made a study of it. A PUA who knows all the fancy new words like NLP and body language stuff and who had to make a deliberate decision to build frame might be a much better at discussing it. It’s the natural vs student thing and I do a lot of things Game says not to do.

    I use to think a man would have Frame if he had been through enough tough shit and came out on top most of the time, but I don’t think that’s the whole picture. There also has to be that will to dominate. I think.

    Any rate I think BV and Cill are correct, yes it is that simple, no it is much more.

    Or so says the drunk hillbilly. All bow down to my ability to drink bourbon and cook for 20 hours straight…. ish. I have had a few naps, like an hour or two long since I started smoking turkeys last night

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  178. Cill says:

    I hope one of those Turkey shots was for me. I’m sweating like a pig here. At the end of the day I’m bringing out The Glenlivet, and that’s a promise.


  179. Spawny Get says:

    Talking Turkey this close to bedtime is bad news. I’m getting the munchies.

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  180. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I am not blaming the women of Japan. They are not doing anything different than they have in the past. What changed is that the economy went sick, so the corporations stopped hiring salaryman. It takes a salaryman to support a family. I think the boys saw it for what it really was.

    Alison Tieman’s story is wonderful and goes a long way to describing what has happened in the West.
    The women got greedy.


  181. SFC Ton says:

    Weather was perfect here today. I am not all that social so it was nice to sit out by my smoke, hear the family, drink my bourbon, tend to chow and laze in the sun with Girl. Plus I feed her a shit ton of stuff hot of the grill

    I also smoked a shit ton of salmon. I got a goodly amount of it as a gift. The fish went from the boat in Alaska to a plane to here with no middle man. I hate the stuff but everyone else is crazy for it.

    I also roasted 3 dozen ears of corn. And that was just my end of things. Everyone cooked their collective asses off

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  182. Cill says:

    I hadn’t heard of “frame” before I came here. Discussion of it was useful (at least for me). It doesn’t tell me anything new, but it repeats the basics with a focus on what’s helpful in these hysterical anti-masculine times. PUA is interesting, but not as much use to me personally. It advises me stuff I already know, and has a number of tricks I don’t really need.

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  183. Spawny Get says:

    Anecdotally, the Japanese women sound massively entitled. I’m not willing to to spare them from blame.

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  184. Spawny Get says:

    Ton, you’re not helping with the munchies.

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  185. SFC Ton says:

    Cill, mastery of the basics is the mastery of life.

    How can a sniper shoot a man from 1295 yards a way, cross winds and all with a .338 Lapua? Does he have some sort of magic? Or some different skill set then a novice shooter? Nope. He has mastered the basic skills and taken the fundamentals to an elite level. Sight picture, breath control and trigger squeeze is sight picture, breath control and trigger squeeze is

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  186. Cill says:

    “Ton, you’re not helping with the munchies.”
    Hell, me too. But I’ve got to finish this excavating.

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  187. SFC Ton says:

    LOL is the Ton known for being helpful? My daughter made my version of mac and cheese better then I ever good, the honey baby carrots where like little nuggets of honey goodness, the stuffing was perfect, pounds and pounds of mashed tatters and yams….. crab did with fresh crab, 5 pounds of fresh shrimp…. desserts and snacks but I don’t eat those

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  188. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    SFC Ton,
    You have a connection for salmon in Alaska and you’re down South? I bet that you are the most popular guy in town and not just with bears. I hear that humans like that stuff too.

    Spawny Get,
    At least in Japan, they’re not feminist. However, this herbivore thing is getting to the women and they don’t know what to do.

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  189. Cill says:

    Ton, mate…
    I’m trying to work here. This machinery hire is costing me an arm and a leg and I gotta get the job done…

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  190. BuenaVista says:

    I do sweet corn in foil with butter slathered and lots of salt. When the foil starts to burn, remove. And they swoon. How do you do it?

    (When someone says sweet corn you know where he’s from. 99% of corn is feed corn.)

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  191. Spawny Get says:

    It’s midnight here…bastard. 😉

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  192. Liz says:

    “I also smoked a shit ton of salmon. I got a goodly amount of it as a gift. The fish went from the boat in Alaska to a plane to here with no middle man. I hate the stuff but everyone else is crazy for it.”

    I still have dreams about the salmon Mike caught on a TDY that he smoked and shipped back to us. That was many years ago. Ambrosial. My mouth is watering thinking about it and I’m gut full of turkey. 🙂

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  193. SFC Ton says:

    LOL love that sweet silver corn. People grew it all around us when I was a kid, though we only did tobacco

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  194. Cill says:

    Right. That’s it. I’m stopping for a sandwich.

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  195. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, now you’re joining in?


    Good night

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  196. SFC Ton says:

    yea i cannot stand salmon. It is weird tasting to me

    Liz knows how fine the weather gets here in the fall/ winter. It was 53 degrees F, no clouds, the sky was that beautiful Carolina blue…

    My son did venison roasts…. sort of. He smothered the outside with spices and what not, then seared the outside with one of these, sliced off the seared parts and did it over and over again

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  197. SFC Ton says:

    About time Cill. A man must feed the machine

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  198. SFC Ton says:

    Did I mention we had turkeys that I harvested in the spring? No factory farm stuff for us


  199. BuenaVista says:

    I make fish like salmon or flounder in the oven. Wrapped in foil, a couple of holes (I’m talking about the foil dirtbags), lemon, garden herbs, maybe some sliced lemon or grapes). 15-17 mins at 450.

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  200. BuenaVista says:

    D-9 Cat ftw. I have a friend who’s a banker who parks one next to his Packards.


  201. SFC Ton says:

    Flounder I deep fry. mostly I blacken fish with this


    My ex inlaws are Cajuns and Ton can bang out some Canjun food, taught how by my ex wife’s grandmother

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  202. Cill says:

    …baked in the oven, wrapped in bacon, gutted and stuffed with shallots soaked in Scotch…
    And I’m sitting here with a damn sandwich

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  203. SFC Ton says:

    LOL you do not want to see the Ton operate a D9…. it is all ugly


  204. SFC Ton says:

    I love sandwiches…. but I don’t use deli meat. I use like actual meat. Like leftovers from these turkeys, or left over honey baked ham etc

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  205. Sumo says:

    I’m with Ton on this one – salmon is nasty. Actually, I dislike any oily fish – trout, arctic char, etc. I just do not enjoy the taste.

    I only grill my corn if it’s going to be used in a salad or something; I boil it with a teaspoon or so of sugar in the water. The butter and salt get slathered on afterward.

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  206. Cill says:

    Time to shift some rock with explosives. Back to work.

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  207. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    All this talk about food and I can’t eat anymore. *sniff*


  208. Cill says:

    Molly would love it here. Explosives and big machines. I dump rocks in the quarry truck and Tom bounces behind the steering wheel.
    340 pounds of mean muscle bouncing like a toy.
    We’re making good progress. Spurred on by the thought of food (real food not fucking sandwiches) and a shot or two or maybe a beer, when the job’s done.

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  209. Cill says:

    I might boat to town and scout around for a bottle or 2 of that Wild Turkey Rare Breed 108 proof that Ton talked about. Tom deserves something special, he works for me gratis on these jobs.

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  210. SFC Ton says:


    best of the store bought bourbons though I do drink other bourbons and the occasional whisky

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