Spreading MGTOW

On a previous thread, Spawny stated;

It’s important to reach out to younger men so that they are encouraged to Go Their Own Way looking for happiness.

This has never been truer than in today’s world, where entire aspects of our culture are literally stacked against men. Some somber facts pointing to this include the rate of divorces started by women (approx 70%), the lack of DV shelters for men (there are only a literal handful in the US as of today’s date), the amount of men who are in debtor’s prison due to back child support (2-3% of the total incarcerated population), and of course the problems present in the “Yes Means Yes” laws (restrictions placed on sex but without any way to prove one had followed them). Couple this with the new petition that would allow a supposed rape victim to legally accuse the supposed attacker and subject them to the judicial system without needing to give a police report, and it’s evident that now is a dangerous time to be male.

MGTOW is a lifestyle choice that can help to alleviate these potential issues, especially if taken to its more “extreme” forms including avoiding any cohabitation with a woman, never dating, remaining celibate, and of course, never marrying. Obviously each man should decide based on his own needs and desires which activities are worth keeping in his life. MGTOW is truly about going your own way.

Unfortunately it can be a difficult pill to swallow, even though it would seem to offer the most happiness. Like a bird that has lived in a cage so long that it cannot comprehend the world outside the now open door, many young men…who’ve never been through the hell of a terrible divorce, been falsely accused of rape/harassment/misogyny, or stayed in a depressing marriage…have no idea that such freedom is a good thing. It is not easy, but has been my goal for the past 4 years to help the young men I know understand this, so they may make informed decisions.

The most difficult part is getting said men to understand that their personal happiness does not depend on having a woman in it. These are single guys under 35, with decent to well paying jobs, their own cars, nice apartments or condos, and close knit circles of mostly male friends. They are free to do nearly anything they want, both with their time and money. And yet, they are depressed or frustrated all because they have no woman in their lives. They have been led to believe that if they are a virgin past age 17, or not engaged by age 30, or even just have regular difficulties in the dating world, they are “losers”.

Quite tellingly, it is the younger men (19 – early 20s) who are easier to reach. The older the man, the more set in his gynocentric ways he tends to be. Could this be due to the fact that the younger men are on the front lines more often, given the double whammy of dating and still being surrounded by the follies of our educational system? I think so.

Regardless, I tell them the same thing:

1. Women are not a requirement for happiness in one’s life.

2. Being single is not the mark of a “loser” or failure, especially when it is done by your own conscious choice of no longer playing games.

3. If a woman truly wants to be your friend, she will act as one by being there for you in times of trouble, getting you gifts occasionally, answering your phone calls/texts promptly, sharing in the enjoyment of your mutual hobbies, and paying her own way 99% of the time. Be careful to not allow yourself to be used by anyone who turns out to be a “fair weather friend”.

4. Singlehood means freedom, and your thought processes can be changed to reflect this fact. Instead of being upset that a girl stood you up for a date, remind yourself that she’s missing out on you, and always have a backup plan of something interesting to do in the same neighborhood. Rather than getting frustrated by advertisements that stress the point of men “needing” to spend money on a woman to prove his financial worth, take comfort in the fact that your money is still yours to do with as you please, be it purchasing an ATV, going to a paintball field for a weekend, or putting it in accounts to accumulate interest.

5. If needed, create a daily mantra that helps to remind you of your inherent worth, something that can help combat the claims of “toxic masculinity” and “Schrodinger’s rapist” (among others) that you’re subjected to. Reaffirm that you are a man, that this is not a bad thing, that you are only responsible for your actions and refuse to be the whipping boy of every male who ever lived. Know that you have worth as a person, which transcends that bought on by status markers.

There are many other items that are typically on my list of masculine affirmations, but let’s hear from our commenters…

What further help can we lend our men? How have you aided in letting them know MGTOW is an option? For those with young men in their lives, what trials do you see or hear about them undergoing?

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228 comments on “Spreading MGTOW
  1. Yoda says:

    Newcomers note that the author Tarnished a woman she is

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  2. Sumo says:

    Couple this with the new petition that would allow a supposed rape victim to legally accuse the supposed attacker and subject them to the judicial system without needing to give a police report

    What in the actual fuck?

    remind yourself that she’s missing out on you,

    Understand that if you choose this option, it leads to people thinking that you’re conceited & egotistical, when the truth is that you’re merely recognizing and celebrating your mind-numbing awesomeness.

    Not that I’m speaking from experience or anything.

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  3. Yoda says:

    . or even just have regular difficulties in the dating world, they are “losers”.

    Modern women not particularly competent at picking winners and losers they are.

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  4. Yoda says:

    Wonder if Moe an opinion on this he has

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  5. Tarnished says:

    Yeah, Sumo. It was on Change.org last month. Had way too many backers for my liking…but then, even 1 is too many, imho.

    “Mind-numbing awesomeness”? Sounds like you should come with a warning label.
    Warning: This man comes equipped with dangerously high levels of awesome, also known as might or greatness. Consult a doctor before (and after) hanging out with Sumo, especially if you’ve a tendency to run your mouth about inane shit. If you are a PPP, a Stupid, or those who hate cooking shows, you should consider staying at least 20 feet away from Sumo at all times. Side effects include mind-numbing, whip marks, loss of teeth, brusing, and/or being asked to eat meaty delicacies.

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  6. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thanks. You do come in contact with a lot of young men. Telling them that they’re all right has to help. There is a lot of social pressure on men to pair up.

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  7. Tarnished says:

    Modern women not particularly competent at picking winners and losers they are.

    Precisely why it would be folly to allow one’s self-esteem to be dictated or rated by herd mentality.

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    So it wwas a petition on Change.org.I was worried that it was another change in the law. Given that rape is serious, the veracity of the accuser has to be verified.

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  9. Tarnished says:

    Not a problem, Fuzzie. I figure it’s the least I can do with the knowledge I have. It helps probably 80% of them, even if it’s just letting them know that it’s alright to be masculine (whatever form that takes for the individual man/boy) or giving them the chance to be around a female who laughs at their jokes instead of whining about how “sexist” they’re being.

    Honestly though, there is one issue that crops up now and then. Can you guess what it is? Hint: Cill also spreads the MGTOW message, but I’m 99.9% sure he’s never had to have the follow-up talk I have…

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    Is Darth Maul a MGTOW? Or is following an evil master “not going you own way”?

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  11. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I guess that Cill doesn’t have to follow up with a little talk either. I do have to tell you that it is rare to find a woman who can relate to men.

    Farm Boy,
    Put that way, Darth Maul cannot be a MGTOW. He is totally subordinate to the Emperor.

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  12. Cill says:

    “Cill also spreads the MGTOW message, but I’m 99.9% sure he’s never had to have the follow-up talk I have…”

    Well I’ve never had to say “wo broo, I know you like me but there’s no future in looking at me *that* way…”

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  13. Tarnished says:

    Lol. Precisely, Cill.
    Unfortunately, some guys only take in a fraction of the message. They think that since I’m sharing said info/supporting non-gynocentrism, that I’m automatically a highly date-able unicorn and belong on their arm. Which is very flattering…but ironically just goes to show how difficult it is to get some guys to stop looking for female approval/validation. It doesn’t matter if the woman is purple, red, or blue pill. You still need to learn to be happy with *youself*, and stop letting anyone else hold the key to it.

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  14. Sumo says:

    20 feet is not a safe distance. And I don’t “ask” people to eat meaty delicacies. I present them, and they get eaten. If someone doesn’t want them, I’m not about to rape-feed them.

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  15. Sumo says:

    50 feet is ok. Unless I have the crossbow close at hand.

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  16. Cill says:

    What length is the longest shotwhip?

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  17. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, we Moehau Mans tend to train our young blokes by teaching them how to fashion and weild a Kauri Club. I think you foreigners would call our Kauri Club our “frame”. Maori folk call it mana (a person with mana is great, a person without it is small). Those foreign jokers Yoda and Darth Vader both have mana in different ways.

    A Moehau Man without a Kauri Club would be a lost soul, doomed forever to wander the rugged Coromandel without himself for company. Us older blokes make sure no Moehau Man grows up without a Kauri Club and knowing how to use it.

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  18. Sumo says:

    What length is the longest shotwhip?

    The longest that I’ve made? 7 foot thong, but the fall and popper add about 2 feet, plus the reach of my arm, so you’d need to be about 11 to 12 feet away to avoid it. However, the 20 foot distance is not safe as law enforcement studies have determined that a distance of 21 feet can be covered by a subject in less time than it takes to draw, aim, and fire a sidearm.

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  19. Spawny Get says:

    There was quite an amusing play out of the knife v gun scenario on Justified

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  20. Moehau Man says:

    As Mrs Moehau Man (my fey old mum) once stated at a meeting of the Country Women’s Institute, “Woe unto they who would exchange our Kauri Club for the victim club, for that will be the day when we’ll all be reduced to crying in corners like spoiled brats. Woe!”

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think that a lot of reason for the follow up talk stems from finding a boy friendly girl. That affection follows is only natural.

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  22. Cill says:

    I doubt that I could be a good teacher in the classroom sense, but I’m in a good position to teach by example. Basically how to build things and fix things and be self-sufficient. For young men it’s just a natural step to the next stage, which is to be self-sufficient as a person and lose all dependence on the company of women.

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  23. Sumo says:

    Oh, classroom teaching blows. My classes were a mixture of class and practical application; the class stuff drove me nuts.


  24. Cill says:

    Yeh. Most of my school years were home school, but in public school I was a right little tyke. I overheard my teachers explaining to my parents that my “disarming smile” gave me “all sorts of liberties other children couldn’t get away with”. So I stood in front of a mirror for a while, and brushed up on my disarming smile.

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  25. Darth Maul says:

    No. Just…..no.


  26. Cill says:

    “Is Darth Maul a MGTOW?”
    No he is not. Gramatically he is a MGHOW.


  27. Cill says:

    Yesterday a “troubled young man” (MGHOW) who has really turned his life around presented me with The Glenlivet 18YO. I’m off with a shot glass and 700ml to the cliff. Whistle Dog. Howling time.

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  28. JDG says:

    Personally I think happiness is over rated.

    I seek contentment instead … and sammiches. Contentment and sammiches … and avoiding train wrecks. Contentment, sammiches, and avoiding train wrecks.

    Another thought. Women can cause train wrecks and women can make sammiches. They can even make you happy for a season, but they cannot make you content.

    Yep! Contentment, sammiches, and avoiding train wrecks.

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  29. Spawny Get says:

    “but they cannot make you content.”

    Yeahbut, their ability to drive their man to suicide…no denying that.

    Anybody got any numbers for the proportion of marriages that are genuinely happy for the rest of their days? I’ll settle for waking up 9 days out of every ten, turning over and seeing your wife and feeling a surge of happiness and love. Genuinely happy. Would marry her again if you went back in time.

    Then, anyone got a number on how big the upside might be? 20% happier than on your own, maybe?

    And then the downside. -500% happier if she takes the house, alienates the kids, euthanises the dog, gets you convicted of assaulting your own kids, domestic violence conviction etc etc?

    Maths don’t sound good for that ol’ bag o’ shite marriage that you’re pushing Mr Tradcon and Mz Tats’n’saddlesore-from-the-carousel.

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  30. Spawny Get says:

    “that I’m automatically a highly date-able unicorn”
    Well…I can’t see the fault here. These are positive traits showing empathy and caring for men. What were you thinking? Also young blond woman with baps…you do the maths.

    “and belong on their arm.”
    Now would be the time that the disappointing news regarding demand for highly date-able unicorns vs supply of highly date-able unicorns became apparent. Leading to heartbreaking revelations on odds of bagging yourself said highly date-able unicorn for a LTR.

    Tricky, as (I gather) you don’t advertise your inner feelings about yourself IRL. Leaving you the choice of shredding your public self-esteem to help theirs. I think you’ve spoken of this before. Guy wasn’t happy. You weren’t happy.

    “Which is very flattering…but ironically just goes to show how difficult it is to get some guys to stop looking for female approval/validation.”
    Yes…But…Sex. You forgot sex.

    “It doesn’t matter if the woman is purple, red, or blue pill. You still need to learn to be happy with *youself*, and stop letting anyone else hold the key to it.”
    ahh now, that’s the +1 bit. that’s core.

    Never put your happiness in the hands of a solipsistic, entitled, Cluster-B harpy. And the majority of the women on the market have been raised to become those by a society praising their every action and pardoning their every bad act (or rather directing the blame elsewhere).

    Thanks for the post.

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  31. Tarnished says:

    Lol. Opossums are felines now…? The stupid, it burns.

    I seek contentment instead … and sammiches. Contentment and sammiches … and avoiding train wrecks. Contentment, sammiches, and avoiding train wrecks.
    JDG is the Spanish Inquisition?
    I was not expecting that. 😀
    Y’know, my guy has been trying to get me to find more sex partners again, because he says I’m “not happy” with the amount of sexytime he’s able to give during the holidays. Which is true, since the frequency goes from a fairly consistent 1-2x a week down to about once, maybe twice a month, with the unfortunate possibility of 0x a month if his depression gets really bad. I told him that he’s correct…when that happens I’m not happy. However, the mental distress of finding a new partner would be far higher than the distress from going without sex. Ergo, I’m content to wait til he’s ready. It’s a very big distinction. Glad JDG pointed it out.

    I’m off with a shot glass and 700ml to the cliff. Whistle Dog. Howling time.
    Have a good time, Cill.

    Leading to heartbreaking revelations on odds of bagging yourself said highly date-able unicorn for a LTR.
    Tricky, as (I gather) you don’t advertise your inner feelings about yourself IRL. Leaving you the choice of shredding your public self-esteem to help theirs.

    Indeed. I’ve taken to simply apologizing and saying “I don’t date.” Which is true, I haven’t in over a decade, other than that one date with Unfortunate Virgin Male about 2 years ago. (Check out his blog, lurkers!) They just aren’t privy to the reasons why, mostly because said reasons just sound idiotic, even to me.

    Yes…But…Sex. You forgot sex.
    Which I want to give to men who are hurting, but can’t. On another note, if I suddenly could, I’d be a very big slut (not whore!) indeed. A large N wouldn’t bother me but how many of those same guys want to share sex with me if they knew?

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  32. Tarnished says:

    I’m curious to know if Liz and Bloom recommend MGTOW to the boys/men they deal with daily?

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  33. Tarnished says:

    Male commenters:
    Is “deliberate bachelorhood” a risky thing to talk about at your job, if you’re working with others?

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  34. SFC Ton says:

    The biggest impediment to online MGTOW recruitment efforts are… the MGTOW doing the recruiting. That vast majority have weak frame and drive men away. No one follows whiny bitches

    Also, few young men are going to go with the whole no sex thing. Sex drive is way to high

    The real world men I know going there own way do not have weak frame (by and large) and tradcons have yet offered an effective counter argument to my lifestyle, and I would imagine the same would hold true for Cill, Spawny, Sumo

    Lifestyle is by far the best MGTOW recruiting tool

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  35. Spawny Get says:

    I have a surprisingly red-pill window fitter at Spawny’s Achers right now. Surprisingly so.

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  36. Spawny Get says:

    “A large N wouldn’t bother me but how many of those same guys want to share sex with me if they knew?”

    A caring Unca Spawny wishes to point out that you yourself said in comments here (reasonably recently) that you wouldn’t want a partner with high N.

    I’m sure that you’ve worked out that I’d like you to reconsider your attitude to giving sexual healing via Tarn’s Tunnel of Lurve. Reconsideration to be part of a general attitude of valuing yourself for yourself, more highly. Boring, stuffy (caring) old Unca Spawny that I am.

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  37. SFC Ton says:

    #1, it isn’t the 21 foot rule, its the Tueller Drill, Tueller being the guy to 1st take the situation serious/ writing about it back in the 80’s. It is hard to explain how much better firearms and tactics are today then the 80’s


    the link is decent but at the bottom of the page are some better links

    Anyrate most st folks have a lot of false impression about it all. You need time, distance buys you time, so you can step backwards, left, right, put an obstacle between you and him etc etc

    To a very large degree, a knife attack is a so what event. Most folks slash, which isn’t particularity lethal, and do a lot of slashing before they get worked up enough to stab, which certainly can be lethal( but still generally survivable to a large degree). So even if the other dude is cutting you, maintain frame and kill him with your gun. Then you have some cool scars and an interesting story when picking up chicks… ie Bad Boy cred.

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  38. SFC Ton says:

    I never set out to be happy, I set out to get shit done and found out the more shit I’ve gotten done, the happier I am
    I’ve had a full life, more downs then ups really but here I am smiling at the world and waiting to go back out and wait on that bear

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  39. Tarnished says:

    Ah, I wouldn’t want a *committed* partner with a high N. That’s why my N = 1 vs my love’s N = 15/16/17/whatever it’s at by now, doesn’t bother me. He’s not mine. Neither of us has a say in what the other does with their genitals other than avoid any STDs, obviously.

    And don’t worry, Unca. 😉
    I still could only just get through my chiropractor appointments without getting freaked out, so there’s still very little chance I could be like Marvin Gaye.

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  40. Tarnished says:

    Some stats for Spawny:

    -41% of first marriages end in divorce
    -52% of second marriages end in divorce
    -73% of third marriages end in divorce

    -Divorced men are 8 times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce than women.
    -They use alcohol, drugs, and casual sex more often after divorce.
    -42% of men said they still felt seriously depressed about the failure of their marriage 2 years afterwards, compared to 33% of women.
    -Men report loss of friendships at a significantly higher frequency than women after a divorce.
    -Divorced men suffer from depression, anxiety and heart attacks more than non-divorced men.

    -Approximately 79.2% of non-custodial mothers totally default on support, while only 29.6 % of non-custodial fathers totally default.
    -Mothers are 73% more likely to get custody of the children.

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  41. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You’s like to give them approval in the way that it would matter but, there is only one of you.
    That your FwB lets depression ruin his sex life during the holidays is worrisome. I wish that I had advice for you.

    Spawny’s comment at 9:54am hit the nail on the head.
    There are two pfoblems. The thought of giving up and accepting celibacy makes a lot of men ill. It’s been pounded into us sice childhood we’re incomplete otherwise.

    Bob O’Hara form AVfM made the observation that women hate men over forty who are still single. It’s like were not paying into the sytem.

    As for “weak frame”, given the 83/20 rule, most women have a rejection button with a hair trigger. Give them enough time, they’s find fault with a movie star. For ordinary guys, it’s “F*ck this noise!”, “We’re outta here!”

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  42. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Dalrock has a few points that run parallel to our discussion.


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  43. JDG says:

    Yeahbut, their ability to drive their man to suicide…no denying that.

    I would classify that under major train wreck. Women cause train wrecks all the time, but they don’t make sammiches too much any more. The stats for “marriage” in Western countries are abysmal.

    Calling it “marriage” is misleading at best since women are not required to fulfill their end of the contract. The odd thing is that men usually are, so you end up with a mockery of marriage where the husband must keep his commitments by law, but the wife does not have to keep hers.

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  44. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t know where to find contentment. Maybe it’s in men learning to make their own sandwiches. It would be nice if someone cared to make me one but, these are the times we live in.

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  45. JDG says:

    Mothers are 73% more likely to get custody of the children.

    A woman who worked for CPS in the state of Michigan quit and wrote a book “Friend of the Court, Enemy of the Family” or something like that. She wrote that mothers got custody of the children 96% of the time if memory serves.


  46. Tarnished says:

    As for “weak frame”, given the 80/20 rule, most women have a rejection button with a hair trigger.
    Private Man has some excellent posts regarding this very topic.

    You’d like to give them approval in the way that it would matter but, there is only one of you.
    This is true, and I need to remember it more often. What hurts isn’t that there’s only 1 of me so much as that there’s other women growing their Ns with mostly the same top percentages of men while the ones I care about who are good men and *not* getting past a first date are suffering. Seeing people hurt makes me want to relieve that pain. It frustrates me in so many ways that I’m incapable.

    That your FwB lets depression ruin his sex life during the holidays is worrisome. I wish that I had advice for you.
    *shrug* It is what it is. Been dealing with it for years, I just wish there was something I could do to assist him in feeling better.


  47. Tarnished says:

    JDG, was that percentage sole or joint custody?


  48. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “Yea but, the ability to drive their men to suicide…”
    That’s not a major train wreck, that’s the present norm. It is a testament to men’s patience that those numbers aren’t through the roof.


  49. Tarnished says:

    Off topic:

    What counts as sex?

    Recently had a discussion with my love about Best Frequency of Sex. I said 5-6x a week, he responded with only 2x a week. This answer threw me, until we clarified that (to me) sex counts as basically anything that ends in mutual orgasm VS his concept of sex which necessarily includes vaginal or anal penetration.

    Was wondering if this was a generational definition thing, or just an individual thing…


  50. JDG says:

    I don’t know where to find contentment.

    I’ve found my source of contentment is in Jesus Christ. I’m learning to be content in all situations, but I’m not there yet. If I start to get depressed I pray and read from the Bible. He’s always been a difficult to explain comfort and strength for me and many others I know. I don’t know if that helps you or not, but you could try it if your not against it.

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  51. JDG says:

    JDG, was that percentage sole or joint custody?

    I can’t remember, but here is a video of a lecture she gave:

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  52. JDG says:

    That’s not a major train wreck, that’s the present norm. It is a testament to men’s patience that those numbers aren’t through the roof.

    I think the norm is a major train wreck too.

    I think that more adulteress wives don’t have “accidents” is a testimony of men’s patience also.

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  53. Spawny Get says:

    “It would be nice if someone cared to make me one but, these are the times we live in.”

    I’ll make you a sarnie, Fuzzie, friend of mine. Give you a beer too.

    (Of course in other areas you’re going to have to keep looking elsewhere. 😉 )

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  54. Spawny Get says:

    “I don’t know if that helps you or not, but you could try it if your not against it.”

    To the best of my recollection, no one here is against anyone getting good things from the Bible (FTR).

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  55. JDG says:

    Apparently she worked for the FOC, which is similar to CPS. Apparently their are several agencies that function this way.

    Here is another video exposing the criminal activities of CPS and related agencies.

    In one of the cases they entered a home uninvited. The father protested and reminded them of his 4th Amendment right. Deputies removed his children, the reason given: The man was uncooperative, and thus a danger to the children.

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  56. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I watched those videos. It’s makes me glad to have not contributed to the problem by not getting married and not having kids. That is the wrong way to feel.

    I have a problem with the highe power. It’s tacit approval of the status quo due to not interfering.

    Spawny Get,
    Thanks for offering to make m a sandwich. I think all men have to start making their own.

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  57. Yoda says:

    Fuzzie Bear,

    An offer of a sammich from a native of the home of sammiches great indeed it is.
    Take him up on it you should

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  58. Tarnished says:

    That is absolutely terrifying, JDG. Yet another reason why I dislike big government and how much power the state has.

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  59. Tarnished says:

    If you weren’t 11 hours away, I’d be likely to make you sammiches, Fuzzie. 🙂

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  60. Cill says:

    Tarn, “Which I want to give to men who are hurting”

    From one who has been around the block:

    Don’t put your body on a crusade. Don’t. The crusade will make you its bitch. I could tell you why, from personal experience.

    From one who too has an uncommon sex drive: if you don’t go hunting, go howl at the moon.

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  61. Tarnished says:

    If only, Cill! I miss living in the acreage of the woods and being able to howl and run at night. Unfortunately, the suburban neighborhood I currently dwell in is not the place for doing so. 😦

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  62. Cill says:

    To hades with the neighbors. Wake ’em up Tarn, go howl up a baby boom in your neighborhood. XD

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  63. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    AWWWWWWWWWhhhhhh Ooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh!

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  64. Cill says:

    Yeah Fuzzy! If a bear can do it anyone can.

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  65. @ tarn I don’t really advise many young men, but I would present MWGTOW as an option for sure if I did. I have shared the concept with Red, too.

    As for the free love, I agree w Cill and Spawny, while your intentions are altruistic, I think you’d find they’d respond 10x as they do now to the talk and wanting you to be their gf.

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  66. “…Most folks slash, which isn’t particularity lethal, and do a lot of slashing before they get worked up enough to stab…”

    I don’t know why but this made me laugh! I can see Ton standing there while someone is wildly slashing and he’s looking at them like, “Seriously??? Stop embarrassing yourself. Just stop.” (face palm)

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  67. Cill says:

    Bloom that’s almost exactly the mental image I had as well.


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  68. Cill says:

    Bloom at 4:23 pm

    Kind of like this:


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  69. Spawny Get says:

    News for the illegal immigrants; “no money, no jobs, no homes” for them in Sweden.

    “You might have heard positive things about our country and the Swedish people. That we are friendly, generous, and hard-working. This might be true, but our society is falling apart.

    “Our wealth is gone. We have to borrow money to provide education and basic health care for our citizens. Due to decades of mass immigration our previously safe country is not safe any more.

    “Not only do we have a very high number of shootings and gang related violence, where grenade attacks in public spaces are no longer surprising, but Sweden now also demonstrates the second highest number of rape reports in the entire world”.

    The Sweden Democrats have been accused of distributing lies in their flyers by mainstream media commentators and political activists in favour of mass migration. Yet as Breitbart London has reported on at length over this year, rape is a serious problem in the country with foreign rapists let off their crimes with minimal punishment, and grenade violence is flourishing.

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  70. SFC Ton says:

    LOL it happens

    My patrol went through this village at the same time this crazy bastard was going… well crazy and waving a machete around. He stepped toward us until he heard all those bolts slamming forward and chambering rounds.

    He dropped his machete and wandered off

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  71. Spawny Get says:

    Bet he discovered that adrenaline runs brown…

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  72. molly says:

    Cill cartoon ^^^ The cowboy in the white hat is ‘armless as me!

    Tee hee hee

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  73. Spawny Get says:

    The failure of female empathy and the hypocrisy test (can skip to around 16:30, I reckons)

    Not bad. Empathy is not a commandment, it’s a relationship. Honesty too. Empathy & honesty in one direction only are things that will be exploited…sound familiar?

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  74. Well at least he had some sense!

    Moral of the story, don’t bring a knife to a gun fight!


  75. Farm Boy says:

    From the Atlantic,

    First Amendment protections for photographers are vital. And I agree with my colleague, James Fallows, that Tai demonstrated impressive intellectual and emotional poise. But video of his encounter with protestors is noteworthy for another reason.

    In the video of Tim Tai trying to carry out his ESPN assignment, I see the most vivid example yet of activists twisting the concept of “safe space” in a most confounding way. They have one lone student surrounded. They’re forcibly preventing him from exercising a civil right. At various points, they intimidate him. Ultimately, they physically push him. But all the while, they are operating on the premise, or carrying on the pretense, that he is making them unsafe.

    It is as if they’ve weaponized the concept of “safe spaces.”

    “I support people creating ‘safe spaces’ as a shield by exercising their freedom of association to organize themselves into mutually supporting communities,” Ken White wrote prior to this controversy. “But not everyone imagines ‘safe spaces’ like that. Some use the concept of ‘safe spaces’ as a sword, wielded to annex public spaces and demand that people within those spaces conform to their private norms.”

    Yesterday, I wrote about Yale students who decided, in the name of creating a “safe space” on compass, to spit on people as they left a talk with which they disagreed. “In their muddled ideology,” I wrote, “the Yale activists had to destroy the safe space to save it.”

    Here the doublethink reaches its apex:

    As the video begins, a man tells the photographer that he is not allowed to push the wall of people which has formed to stop him from moving forward.

    Around the 20-second mark, a woman shouts that the photographer needs to respect the space of students, just as they start to forcibly push him backwards.

    Just after the one-minute mark, having been pushed back by students who are deliberately crowding him to obstruct his view, things grow more surreal as the photographer is told, “Please give them space! You cannot be this close to them.”

    At the 1:24 mark, as the students are chanting at the photographer and some are visibly smirking at him––and as he’s frustrated but doing his best to keep his cool––a protestor tells him, as if he is disrespecting them, “You think this is funny.”

    Around 1:42, after several rounds of students chanting and yelling loudly at him in unison, he raises his voice to politely insist that he has a First Amendment right to be there. And a student interjects that he must not yell at a protestor.

    At 1:50 or so, a student tells the photographer that the members of the large group outnumbering him 20- or 30-to-one need to protect their space as human beings from him.
    Around 2:08, a woman walks right up to the photographer and says, “You know what? Back off of my personal space. Leave these students alone.”

    That woman then spreads out her arms and starts pushing the photographer back more––and as she makes contact with his body other students tell him, “Stop pushing her.”

    At 2:33, the same woman tells the photographer that one of the students doesn’t want to talk to him. He explains that he has no desire to speak with anyone. And she replies, “She doesn’t want to see you,” as if he’s infringing on a right to not stand in a public space in a way that makes him visible.

    Another surreal moment comes at 2:47, when a student who has been there the whole time approaches the wall of people preventing the photographer’s forward progress and says, “I need to get through, are you not going to let me through?” as if the photographer is the one transgressing against her freedom of movement.

    At 3:32 another student says, “They can call the police on you,” as if the photographer is the one breaking the law.

    A moment later, the photographer puts his hands and camera directly above his head to try to snap a photo. The women in front of him pushes her hands in the air to try to block the lens. They make fleeting, inconsequential contact, and a bystander accusatorially says to the photographer, “Did you just touch her?” Because that would be beyond the pale, never mind he has been repeatedly pushed!
    And on it goes like that.

    This behavior is a kind of safe-baiting: using intimidation or initiating physical aggression to violate someone’s rights, then acting like your target is making you unsafe.

    “You are an unethical reporter,” a student says around 5:15. “You do not respect our space.” Not 30 seconds later, the crowd starts to yell, “Push them all out,” and begins walking into the photographer. “You’re pushing me!” he yells. And even moments after vocally organizing themselves to push him, they won’t fess up to the nature of their behavior. “We’re walking forward,” they say, feigning innocence. Says one snarky student as the crowd forces him back, “I believe it’s my right to walk forward, isn’t it?” Then the photographer is gone, and only the person holding the video camera that recorded the whole ordeal remains. Ironically, he is a member of the press, too, which he mentions to one of the few protestors who is left behind.

    By then, the mask has fallen.“Who wants to help me get this reporter out of here?” an unusually frank protestor yells. “I need some muscle over here!”

    The woman calling for muscle? An assistant professor of mass media at the University of Missouri … who had previously asked the campus for help attracting media attention.


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  76. Spawny Get says:

    I sincerely think that there’s a lot of mental illness at work on campus. And these people are fundamentally broken, they will never, can never, contribute to society in a positive manner.

    We need a B ark to put them on

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  77. Spawny Get says:

    One does hope that Hitchhikers’ Guide to the Universe Galaxy isn’t a little to subtle for ‘others’.


  78. SFC Ton says:

    Personally I am amused by the pro vs amateur thing across a broad spectrum of things

    Generally I am the strongest guy around but I did a Pro level Strongman contest and got crushed, coming in at 6th place. Out of 8 dudes, one of who was injured on the 1st event.4 of the men who showed up made it the Worlds Strongest Man on ESPEN, one of who won it that year and this one time at band camp I got to train with a UFC champ. One not particularly well regarded for his ground skills. I wasn’t embarrassed but he was much more technically skilled then me, picking up on all the little movements in weight and body position…. which was something I thought I excelled at. Really if it wasn’t for the advantage in body mass and strength he would have schooled me like a toddler

    Point being the difference between pretty good and professional is small and immense at the same time

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  79. SFC Ton says:

    Don’t bring a gun to a gun fight either; stay home ad drop a JDAM on the other guy

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  80. Spawny Get says:

    HHGttG just doesn’t sound so crazy when compared to the modern day. Back when I were a sprog it was bizarre and outlandish…and funny. Now that it’s reality, it kinda pisses me orf somewhat.


  81. Spawny Get says:

    That’s ‘best bits of the film’.

    Radio Show =!= TV =!= Books =!= Film
    They aren’t the same, though they do rhyme on occasion.

    The entire radio series is available online…one might recommend it for a long flight or car journey. Very long.


  82. Cill says:

    “Lifestyle is by far the best MGTOW recruiting tool”

    I can’t better that so I’ll repeat it :

    “Lifestyle is by far the best MGTOW recruiting tool”

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  83. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    It’s good to know that The Atlantic is condemning these Mizzou people. I think that new employment has to be found for the two people already identified. It’s insane that thy’re being paid $57k and $67k when they pull stuff like this where they derive their inomes.

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  84. molly says:

    Tarn’s post is cool and fun! 🙂
    See y’all. I’m gone!

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  85. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    You wouldn’t try that! However, I think that you are up for the chgallenge of playing drums for George Thorogood.

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  86. Spawny Get says:

    Continuing the two way street over empathy. Chapin over the subway / underground screwed up narrative and beyond

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  87. Spawny Get says:

    Great news for Tarn!

    4 for a (imperial) tenner


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  88. Sumo says:

    Ton will never speak to me again, but I love that movie.

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  89. Cill says:

    Would you recommend I view it then, brother?


  90. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I liked Bernard’s story at the end of the video.
    There have to be more unicorns.

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  91. OMG here guys, let me get the popcorn and tissues! Sniff! ;’)

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  92. Moehau Man says:

    “The Last Unicorn”, eh?

    Well I might sit down and watch it with Mrs Moehau Man (my hard-headed old mum). She’s pretty good at deciding which parts are edible and which are not. Then again, maybe not… With what looks like a codpiece or oblong rock sticking out of its head, it’s going to be a bit of a challenge to rap it between the eyes with a Kauri Club…

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  93. But imagine the tales of your legendary new codpiece like none other! And the BBQ!!! Picklets!!!!!!!

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  94. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, I’m not sure that I agree with you there, young Bloom. That unicorn’s codpiece lacks girth, and length as well. In the words of Mrs Meohau Man (my observant old mum) “It looks like it would come and go without anyone noticing.”


  95. Lol! I was thinking perhaps it had grown some.

    Killing and eating baby unicorns? What are you, some kind of caveman???

    (Passes tissues and milk duds!)

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  96. Spawny Get says:

    I am so disappoint, I thought Bloom’s post ‘bust clutter’ was about bejazzling for boobies.

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  97. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It took me until now to figure out youe were talking about unicorns.
    Now, I have to find out how to beat clutter.

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  98. Sumo says:

    Would you recommend I view it then, brother?

    Well, yes. Even if the movie is older than you. 😉


  99. Spawny Get says:

    Fill yer boots, me hearties


  100. Spawny Get says:

    One for the upside-downies. The title has Molls and Cill written all over it


  101. Cill says:

    Clutter ’em with…
    You Americans know what a hicky is?

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  102. Sumo says:

    The title has Molls and Cill written all over it

    So…..which one is which…..?

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  103. Cill says:

    I watched as far as the singing butterfly and drew the line. No. No. Butterflies do not have lungs.

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  104. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic. Hat tip to captmemo for this link. The fembots are getting the statute of limitations for rpe extended to twenty years or dropped completely because of the Bill Cosby complaints.


    This would present a terrible burden for the defense. How can you account for your whereabouts twenty years later?

    HJaving read thye link to HuffPo, the whole thing about Cosby smells fishy. The stories all sound too siilar and revolve around sneaky administraion of drugs. I think that is an urban myth.


  105. SFC Ton says:

    LOL Cill I have the same thing; I cannot let go of reality long enough to enjoy silly shit like singing butterflies

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  106. Spawny Get says:

    Watching the vids wasn’t mandatory, guys. I didn’t…


  107. Yoda says:

    The fembots are getting the statute of limitations for rpe extended to twenty years or dropped completely because of the Bill Cosby complaints.

    “Ex post facto” law that would be

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  108. Good news from Red! He just passed the 90 day mark at work. They have him a raise, $10,000 a year more than he expected!

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  109. Liz says:

    Sumo: “The longest that I’ve made? 7 foot thong”

    Wow, that’s a really long thong! 😛

    one of my sons has been working on chain mail for quite a while. Very tedious project, and he’s lost interest. It’s one long rectangular strip about two feet by six or so inches. We joke that it’s a chain mail “thong”. (I can see it now…”Kick me in the junk! I’m wearing armor!”)


  110. Liz says:

    Tarn: “I’m curious to know if Liz and Bloom recommend MGTOW to the boys/men they deal with daily?”

    We don’t really discuss it, Tarn.
    I’ve never discussed girls when our sons have friends over. They just do manly shit and don’t really have a lot to do with girls. We are kind of trying to nudge our oldest in the direction of at least TRYING to approach (a girl he is interested in), but nothing really on that front.
    Mike is pretty good with stuff like that.

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  111. Liz says:

    Just to add, per the chainmail “thong”: I guess the right would would be more loin cloth.
    A long loin cloth. 😛

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  112. Liz says:

    “What counts as sex?

    Recently had a discussion with my love about Best Frequency of Sex. I said 5-6x a week, he responded with only 2x a week. This answer threw me, until we clarified that (to me) sex counts as basically anything that ends in mutual orgasm VS his concept of sex which necessarily includes vaginal or anal penetration.”

    To me, any sex act (where at least one person had an orgasm) counts as sex.

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  113. Cill says:

    By Liz’s definition, a scalp-rub counts as sex because it makes me cast my seed to all corners of the globe. A touch anywhere on my body by an attractive woman gives me an instant rager. Before I go out I tape the one-eyed trouser snake to my abdomen so the ragers are not so obvious..

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  114. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Call me cynical but, it would not surprise me if the fembots tried to pull an “ex post facto” trick.

    I am glad to hear about Red’s good fortune. Yay!

    If he makes it a little longer, it could be a scarf. 🙂
    I am glad your son can talk to Mike about this stuff. Most boys can’t level with their parents or their peers.

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  115. Cill says:

    The Air Force Tried To Deny A Man Medical Care Who Is Accused Of Sexual Harassment

    “The top brass tried to courtmartial him, whereby he could face 130 years in prison”

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  116. Liz says:

    “a scalp-rub counts as sex because it makes me cast my seed to all corners of the globe.”

    Would you say they’re “spreading” and all “going their own ways”? 😛

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  117. Cill says:

    Liz all the girls are unicorns but there’s no possibility of accidental incest because the boys are all MGTOW (as you correctly observed). 😀

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  118. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It’s likely that guy will get fifteen years in Leavenworth making little ones out of big ones. With your link, things have gotten out of control. All this guy did was ask girls out and maybe not that much.
    It’s going to be hard to recruit in the future.

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  119. JDG says:

    I can see it now…”Kick me in the junk! I’m wearing armor!”)

    When I was a younger man and learning martial arts, our teacher made a point of kicking our junk if we forgot to wear a cup. I can’t think of anyone who forgot twice. What I find interesting was that he ended up kicking more than one of us for that reason. I guess until it happens to you…

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  120. Liz says:

    “It’s going to be hard to recruit in the future.”

    It’s hard to retain recruits now. And forget about leadership.
    Observe stupid horshit exhibit number twenty-two hundred and fifty:

    Much like the mandatory “May I kiss you?” classes, our tax dollars are funding this. We are literally paying to make sure the only people willing to aspire to military leadership positions in this environment are retarded pussies. Just being one or the other (either a retard or a pussy) won’t even do now, it has to be BOTH. Who else could stomach this stupid shit?

    Gah, time to watch a happy movie.

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  121. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have been watching George Thorogood videos for the last few hours. It helps.
    This goes out to Molly too. For when she gets pulledd over for speeding.

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  122. molly says:

    Fuzzie I was air-drumming as I listened 😉
    Thank you!

    Beautiful bbq weather here. For you:

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  123. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Listening to heryl anbergand being polite is one thing. Buying into what she is selling is quite another.
    can see Any Rooney sking is head after reading that. I’s a god thing that he is not alive to ee it. Thyat is he paer he wrote for in WWII.

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  124. Sumo says:

    From Lizard’s link:

    The military and the Air Force Academy are investing in Sandberg’s ideas. The academy has pledged to encourage “Lean In Circles” where small group of cadets will focus on her vision of total equality through discussion.

    What in the actual fuck? How is that in ANY BLOODY WAY a good idea? The military is the LAST FUCKING PLACE that anyone should be “equal”. How do you maintain a chain of command if everyone is equal? (Answer: you can’t, which is a big part of the reason I was tossed out of my L.E career – the special snowflakes thought they were my “equals” and were pissed that I refused to endorse that delusion) Fuck, I’m not even an American taxpayer and I’m annoyed as hell that you guys are paying for that shite.

    On a related note, in the comments there’s a guy named “David Fowler” – why do I recognize that name?

    I’d ask why I think he’s a colossal douchebag, but after reading his comments, there’s no mystery.

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  125. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am so embarrassed wth my last comment. Too many typos. It’s unreaable. I’ll try again.

    Listening to Sheryl Sandberg and being polite is one thing. Buying into what she is selling is quite another.
    I can imagine Ady Roon saking hished after eading that. He’s gone now but, he wrote for them in WWII.

    Thanks for he barbeque! :burrito::burrito::burrito::bear::roll:

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  126. JDG says:

    If all sammiches are not equal, how on earth do people expect people to be equal?

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  127. Cill says:

    Generations of feminism have resulted in a surfeit of emasculated men who couldn’t fight their way out of a wet paper bag. We’ll have to protect ourselves.

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  128. Yoda says:

    Prepare to win wars military’s objective should be.

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  129. Yoda says:

    Knowledgable on military subject Liz is.
    Write a series of posts she should


  130. Cill says:

    Anyone else out there on cell phones? This post seemed to suddenly hit a wall, now taking minutes to update.


  131. Yoda says:

    Wonder if make sammiches they do

    Women in their mid-40s today are almost twice as likely to be childless as their parents’ generation, new figures show.

    The statistics look at how many children women have had by the age of 46 – when their childbearing days are considered over.

    And they reveal one in five women who were born in 1969 are childless today – compared to one in nine women born in 1942.



  132. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am not on mobile but, this thread does take a while to reload. To add to thet, I don’t think that all the typos are mine.

    I hink that the hildlss statistics are a symptom of something deeper.
    Feminism, perhaps?
    In time, the herd wil take notice and, at first, they will blame men.


  133. Cill says:

    And now I’m caught in a flash thunder storm. Me crouching under my Isotak cover out in the open with lightning and thunder flashing and crashing. The storm has come out of nowhere. Can’t move! Visibility nothing except lightning and rain. Deafening rain! Yeehaaa!

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  134. Cill says:

    The Isotak keeps me dry but it sounds like its getting hit by a waterfall.
    It’s just started to lighten over the horizon. Time to move. Cill out.


  135. Sumo says:

    Be safe, brother.

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  136. Cill says:

    The storm is suddenly over. Sunshine again. Everything has been washed clean. Reports are coming in of floods in town. Some of that lightning was a bit too close for comfort. When the lightning and thunder are simultaneous, it’s close. I’ll be home soon. I’m in a hurry to check on Dog. He hates thunder.

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  137. SFC Ton says:

    Molly, its so warm here its messing up my bear hunting mojo. The down side to winter in the South, but on the upside, its still amazing motorcycle weather


  138. SFC Ton says:

    I’m wondering what the typical air force guy can see that will give him PTSD? A heterosexual couple?

    I don’t buy into this PTSD bullshit


  139. SFC Ton says:

    He added: “Importantly, though, if we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high? With the direct combat exclusion provision in place, we never had to have that conversation.”


    Ton Spawn will not follow in my footsteps. Or those of his older brother, grandfather, great grandfather, great great grandfather etc etc. Clan Ton is done

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  140. Yoda says:


    Calls to the University of Missouri Police Department, which responded to and investigated the alleged poop swastika incident, also failed to yield any evidence of the poopstika.

    Multiple activists on Twitter pointed to this photo as proof that the incident occurred as reported, but a Google search for the same image shows that it has been floating around the Internet for nearly a year. A reddit thread from November of 2014 appears to contain the earliest publication of the photo in question, meaning that it most certainly does not constitute proof of the incident alleged to have occurred at Mizzou on October 24, 2015.

    Maj. Brian Weimer, the public information officer for the Mizzou police department, told The Federalist that he also did not personally see the poop swastika that was reported to police. When asked if anyone in the police department personally witnessed the swastika, Maj. Weimer clammed up and referred all questions about the incident to the university’s custodian of public records.

    The Federalist also repeatedly contacted @ConcernedStudent1950, the Twitter account representing Mizzou protesters who issued a series of demands of university administrators after the alleged poop swastika incident made headlines. The individuals running the @CS1950 account failed to produce any photographic or documentary evidence of the incident prior to publication of this article.

    While a mere absence of evidence is not synonymous with evidence of absence, the complete lack of any verifiable photographic evidence of the alleged poop swastika and the lack of any named eye witnesses raises serious questions about the veracity of a racially charged incident of vandalism that eventually led to the resignation of the University of Missouri’s two top administrators.


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  141. Liz says:

    “Write a series of posts she should”

    Yoda, I think it would be boring for most, and I can really summarize it pretty succinctly in one sentence:

    The only war that matters is the Beltway (funding) war.

    Each branch of service wants the biggest cut. The USAF wants to beat the Navy, so when the navy says it will have 20 percent female officers, the Airfarce has to say it will get 30 percent. If the Navy says it will have 2 sensitivity training courses per quarter the AF says it will have 3! The Navy put a guy in prison for five years for looking at a woman “questionably”? That’s nothing! We’re tougher on harassment than that we’ll put him in for ten years. And so forth. Think about the type of douchbags that would stay in and continue to fuel this process and you essentially get an idea of what the chain of command looks like. NACALT applies, but it’s true enough.

    Boring, but pertinent stuff here in case someone might be interested:

    The biggest problem the USAF has right now regarding the resource “crunch” (and it has had this problem since after the first gulf war). The “No fly zones” in Iraq were very taxing to the planes, and stupid, but at least they were predictable and units would deploy together and knew when they would deploy.

    At the time, knowing those “no fly zones” were going to be taxing, some pretty smart people came up with an idea to prove the USAF could deploy at a moment’s notice. It was called the AEF (Air Expeditionary Force). The plan was to have five different demonstrations where assets would deploy quickly with all of their kit to show that if needed, planes could deploy quickly as needed and until then they could stay in the CONUS to save resources. There were supposed to be five deployments of this type (AEF 1-5). And they did it, and it worked great.

    Well, now the flag officers in the area of operations were in a position where they didn’t want to let those assets go. They like being able to say they have X number of assets under their personal purview, and it looks better for them. So the kept launching AEFs.

    Now the AEF, which was specifically designed to save resources, is a continuous thing. But the money isn’t there, so they have fewer assets and planes are tasked too much so they then have fewer assets and so forth. But the Generals need their planes (for some reason). So the operations tempo goes up. Keep in mind this isn’t just pilots…all support teams have to be there too. Soon, they don’t have enough assets so they come up with something called the TFI (total force initiative). They sell this as a way to be “mission relevant” but really it’s a way to use the only assets left available. So they can start drawing from people in the Reserve positions to fill those slots, and instead of having a “reserve” for emergency purposes they become more similar to active duty (except part time pay and part time benefits).

    Recently Obama signed an executive order, since everyone knows these people didn’t sign up for this, that forces them to deploy on a regular basis for the AEF purposes rather than emergency situations (or voluntarily). Of course, reserve people didn’t sign up for this…it wasn’t even in the fine print. This is literally ex post facto law changing bullshit. And since traditional reservists could leave at any time, it’s a bad policy. But the powers that be have (true to the short sighted over long sighted paradigm of the day) taken care of that one, too. If a reserve person is scheduled to deploy within the next year, they cannot refuse or leave the reserve.

    Another problem is, it’s mostly a ground war so the USAF wants to still seem relevant (in order to get that funding), so they change their mission statement from “fly fight win” to something else that sounds more relevant (support, love, something about cyberspace and so forth who the fuck knows, it has changed so many times). And they send people out to fill ground slots.

    To put this in sphere terms, we literally have dudes losing custody of their children because they were tasked to be a fobbit (forward operating base person) to do nothing they could not have done sitting at their home computer stateside. All because some general wanted to say he had “this many” people in Afghanistan (or wherever). BTW, the military will tell you “people are our most important asset”. I think that’s a stab at ironic sarcasm.

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  142. Tarnished says:

    I agree that Liz should pen a post regarding what’s currently going on in our military. Word needs to get out, and not just to those of us who have family in it. My younger brother just came back 3 days ago from his latest stint in Afghanistan, he’s due out completely in January, I believe. He was telling us over dinner last night that he no longer finds the Marines masculine enough, not because of the few good female soldiers he’s worked with the past few years, but because of the utterly inane and frankly misandric policies they’re putting in place everywhere + the fact that he knows too many bad female soldiers who ended up getting pregnant + he said waaaaay too many of the newest recruits are pussies. I can only imagine how ineffective our military will become once we begin lowering the standards even more…it’s not an accident that the majority of women and some men can’t join. That’s the point, to only have those that are most capable. Oy vey.

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  143. Tarnished says:

    I am not on mobile but, this thread does take a while to reload.
    I’m on mobile and it loads fine, but they did just fix a cell tower in my area. We *are* at over 150 comments though…it may just be time for a new post.

    To add to thet, I don’t think that all the typos are mine.
    I wouldn’t go that far, Fuzzie. 😉
    You do have meaty bear paws, after all. Typing on a human sized keyboard is a feat in itself.

    Also…equality in the armed forces? Wtf?

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  144. Tarnished says:

    By Liz’s definition, a scalp-rub counts as sex because it makes me cast my seed to all corners of the globe.

    Trigger warning for Yoda a thing of the past now, hmm? 😂

    But sure, I think if your scalp counts as such an erogenous zone, then getting a head massage would technically be sexual. So…I guess you don’t go for a shampoo and haircut often? 😉

    I’m not nearly as sensitive as you, but one of the things I like most is having my hair played with. It feels good, is calming, and doesn’t cause any negative touch reactions. It is one of the increasingly few reasons I keep my hair waist length.

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  145. Tarnished says:

    In other news, this advertisement from Bloomingdale’s most recent catalog apparently not only is misogynist, but it condemns equality in the workplace, pushes the “falsehood” of friendzoning, and endorses date rape.

    Me? I just see a woman who’s a bit tipsy at a business holiday party, and her male friend is almost unsuccessfully hiding a smirk because his joke worked. Thoughts?

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  146. Cill says:

    Gidday Tarn and other mates it’s 4 a.m. here and I’m up before the sparrow fart. I’m rearing to go having slept 5 hours last night, a lot by my standards, and am bursting with energy, don’t know what to do with myself. Is there a mangina to be pummeled into submission, or a damsel in distress to be rescued out there? I could bring her home on Horse and…

    Just kidding.

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  147. SFC Ton says:

    It is not a good time to be the military but from all reports its really bad time to be in the USMC

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  148. Tarnished says:

    I could bring her home on Horse and…
    Ask for a completely innocent scalp massage? 😉

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  149. Cill says:

    “completely innocent”
    Sometimes I think you know me better than I know myself.

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  150. Liz says:

    “Me? I just see a woman who’s a bit tipsy at a business holiday party, and her male friend is almost unsuccessfully hiding a smirk because his joke worked. Thoughts?”

    You really see his expression as “almost unsuccessfully hiding a smirk”?
    Sorry, to be perfectly candid, to me the ad campaign makes it look like the guy is a creeper.
    Bad english, too. “Spike your friend’s eggnog when HE OR SHE isn’t looking” would be correct.
    The only thing missing is a white van, pedo mustache and a small child. “Give your special little friend a twinkie this Halloween”.

    If the caption were the same and it was a woman looking at a man like that I’d think, “poor dude, she’s going for blackmail pictures” or something.

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  151. Liz says:

    I think it’s misandrist. It’s trying to portray men as creepy stalkers who spike drinks of “fun” unsuspecting empowered career women. Just my take.

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  152. Cill says:

    I agree that it’s misandrist, because any depiction of a man and a woman together always is.

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  153. Yoda says:

    Wonder hat would happen if this a man did

    Collier County Public Schools has banned a substitute teacher for showing a partially nude reality show to second graders.

    Hours after the substitute showed Naked and Afraid in a computer lab class, she was told to go home. The incident is under investigation and the teacher is banned from working at every school in the district. …

    At this point in the investigation, no one knows why the substitute teacher played the reality television show for the kids.


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  154. Liz says:

    Do you think they’re trying to portray that guy as a creep, Cill?
    I don’t see any other way that picture could be interpreted.

    If they were both guys, I’d say the laughing guy was in trouble. If the sexes were reversed, I’d say the guy was in trouble (and the chick had something foul in mind).
    The agenda here seems pretty clear.

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  155. Yoda says:

    Looks like Wilma Flintstone she does
    Use scissors to straighten hem she could

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  156. Cill says:

    It’s deliberately ambiguous, to stir up controversy from all the conflicting interpretations.

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  157. Liz says:

    “It’s deliberately ambiguous, to stir up controversy from all the conflicting interpretations.”

    Or, she could be laughing at his best friend who is passed out in the corner (outside our field of view).

    Or, she could have spiked his drink and is now slying laughing and awaiting the effect (turning away so he won’t see the giveaway “haha! Reba! this guy behind me is about to pass out…”)

    Or, well, yes, you’re probably right Cill. 🙂

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  158. Cill says:

    Liz I thought of your next 2 interpretations as well.


    When I first looked at it I thought the bloke is supposed to be good looking.

    All men are creeps, but he’s one of the “desirable” ones in the top 20% of the SMP. He sees you (the woman) as special enough to be a threat** and to try to bring you down – in a typically creepy male way of course. At best he’s only half human anyway (only half shown).

    (** in business, employment, whatever)

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  159. Spawny Get says:


    Despite having been in the country for less than 24-hours, the newly-arrived asylum seekers were already complaining there are too many migrants in Sweden. Speaking to high circulation left-wing daily Afton Bladet, one young man said: “Close the border. We are far too many who have come. They can not take care of all of us”.

    He complained the Swedish staff receiving migrants were stressed, and there wasn’t enough bedding to go around.

    One Syrian migrant told the paper: “I’m surprised how it is here in Sweden. if they can’t take care of us properly, they should not take so many”.

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  160. Liz says:

    “At best he’s only half human anyway (only half shown).

    That’s a good point. Actually, his right arm is very close to her purse.
    Maybe he’s going to hock the strong independ woman’s purse? She’s really holding it out there.
    And what does this have to do with Bloomingdales? I have to wonder.
    Okay, Tarn. You asked for our thoughts. 😛

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  161. Cill says:

    “his right arm is very close to her purse”

    She’s gesturing towards him, laughing to her friends, Thought he could fool a woman that easily? Typical man

    Yes Tarn, you did ask.

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  162. Cill says:

    Spawny the MSM consistently describes Marine le Pen as extreme. I’ve yet to come across anything extreme in what she has said or done. How extreme is she really?

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  163. Spawny Get says:

    Not looked into Le Pen or ‘er dad.

    Nigel kept his distance in the EU groupings because she’s head of the French ‘Front National’. Ally with her (whatever the realities) and he’d immediately get smeared for UKIP being the same as the ‘National Front’ in the UK (racists (really)). Many of her positions are on the left, so really there are obvious incompatibilities. She and Corbyn might be more compatabubble.

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  164. Spawny Get says:

    Hill’lies include:
    Hillary’s Claim She Tried to Join the Marines
    Hillary Laughs at Joke About Strangling Carly Fiorina
    F.B.I. Expands Investigation Into Hillary’s Emails

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  165. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The Bloomingdale’s ad does signal a departure for the fembots. They are attacking an ad produced by women, approved by women, for the consumption by women.In the past, they confined themselves to to attaking only ads aimed at men. Not that you will get them to admit it, but, the fembots can see that women are now their opponents too.

    There is another point. Rhe ad makes light of spiking drinks. I think that “date rape” using drugs or alcohol is an urban myth.I have the feeling that the fembots know that this isnonsense and it is only used as an excuse for bad behavior. They’re weak on this arguement and they know it.

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  166. Liz says:

    Ad produced by women? That explains a LOT.

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  167. Liz says:

    I actually know two people who were “roofied” (one was a man, one a woman).
    Both events happened at the same bar (different nights).
    Always watch your drink in public.

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  168. Liz says:

    I should add: Nothing happened to the woman, she was with friends. The man woke up in an alley somewhere, pretty messed up.

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  169. Spawny Get says:

    Uh oh! look out!

    The club moved to defend its position, citing the previous bad behaviour of migrants on their premises and complaints from female clubbers. Writing on their Facebook page the proprietors explained that earlier in the year they had allowed the first migrants to arrive in the town into the club, but after a number of incidents the door policy was changed.

    The management claims migrants harassed women customers, following them into toilets, calling them “whores”, and pestered them for sex. The mayor of Bad Tölz has called their reasoning “crap”. He told the proprietor instead of a blanket ban on migrants, they should instead only ban individuals after they had attempted to sexually harass other customers.

    Compare this to ‘all men are rapists’

    Pro-migrant campaigner Hamado Dipama was also opposed to the club door policy, telling journalists: “It is totally unacceptable to punish a whole group because of the actions of a few people – that is the definition of racism.


    In another post on the nightclub Facebook page last night, the manager doubled down on his position, telling would-be drinkers that should they feel the need to argue with him about his door policy, they could expect to find themselves banned at the establishment too.

    Wimminz love to exhibit a bleeding heart for ‘good causes’, but they don;t expect any negative outcome for themselves. It’s a action and consequences thing. Wimminz are very poor at that kind of thing. Consequences are for men, after all.

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  170. SFC Ton says:

    I just saw a stupid photo of a blonde chick with her clothes on. Whats the point of that?

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  171. SFC Ton says:

    Just roofie yourself on the regular so no ill effect comes around when some does it to.
    Same for arsenic and whathaveyou

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  172. SFC Ton says:

    Most Nationalist groups are a tad bit(or more) leftist/ populist. Specifically on stuff like trade, labor and what not


  173. Liz says:

    Roofie yourself? That’s hardcore! 😛

    Fwiw I’ve seen just about everything in the hospital. Even knew a guy who came in for a runny nose and it turned out to be leaking cerebral spinal fluid.

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  174. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I read that comment with mixed feelings. Nightclub owners will make any concession to women aked for. It wouyld not surprise me if the claims against the migrants were exaggerated.

    There are still stories floating around from the 19th century about chlorohydrate, “slipping a mickey”. Usually about waking up on a slow boat to China, being “Shanghai’d”.
    I have the feeling tha actual incidences are very rare.


  175. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I miss the kitten with the froggie helmet already. Was he a bad kitten or something?

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  176. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, I reckon the stories might have some truth. Those men from warmer climes watch western tv and films and believe that all western women are sluts. Their religion says no foul with unbelievers. Game on.

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  177. “She’s showing her elbows, she’s dtf!”

    That whole immigrant thing is just unbelievable. My first reaction to images of it was terror, it’s like Europe is being invaded, w no resistance :/ not good…

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  178. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I am in agreement with Captain Capitalism on nightclubs. As a venue for meeting women, they have been ruined by those women leveraging protection from men. That only reason that men should attend would be to listen to live music.
    While I don’t have much sympathy for the migrants, I have little faith in th veracity of women who attend nightclubs.
    That German owner may be doing the migrants a favor.

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  179. I know we have issues w people slipping across the borders here, but I guarantee if folks started arriving in those numbers people would be up in arms to stop it. (I’d hope!)

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  180. Liz says:

    I like the kitten too. She has gone rogue!
    But she will be back 🙂

    Liked by 3 people

  181. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I look forward to the kitten’s return!

    Off topic.

    I am more than a little pissed. If they just want to be nasty to men…

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  182. Spawny Get says:

    Bloom, only white knight suckers mate guard sluts with whom they have no relationship.

    And that’s the reward.

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  183. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    MGTOW wants to be free. In this climate, we don’t need to try to spread it. We just need to let it spread, or try to stop it from spreading.

    Liked by 2 people

  184. Heartiste linked to a video about the immigration showing the magnitude of the situation in this post. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/the-swarm-wars/


  185. Spawny Get says:

    “While I don’t have much sympathy for the migrants, I have little faith in th veracity of women who attend nightclubs.”
    Team Spawny welcomes its newest member

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  186. Yoda says:

    Super virus,

    Like a virus, PC hysteria is spreading from campus to campus in America, threatening to kill its hosts.

    First came an embarrassing imbroglio at Yale over politically incorrect comments made by professors Nicholas and Erika Christakis regarding Halloween costumes. In an email, Nicholas criticized the school’s efforts to censor Halloween costumes, daring to point out that college campuses have become “places of censure and prohibition.” The snowflakes screamed, cried, and hurled profanities at Nicholas Christakis before stomping off to their safe spaces; a confrontation between one well-heeled social justice warrior and the professor was captured on video.

    That student was widely mocked and derided for her tantrum. But that didn’t stop SJWs at the University of Missouri from forming a Jacobin mob, demanding scalps over a very few — and unsubstantiated — racial incidents at their school.

    No one has been able to clearly explain what exactly the president and chancellor of Mizzou did to spur calls for their resignations. The vague grievances simplify to nothing more than a general sense that they somehow could have prevented hypersensitive students from getting their feelings hurt. They didn’t provide a “safe space,” another inexplicable term.

    Predictably, special snowflakes on other American college campuses took notice, as there’s nothing mollycoddled children love more than attention, claiming victimhood, and power.

    Students at Ithaca College have started to protest their college president. His sins include not adequately “foster[ing] growth to [their] consciousness of oppression and privilege”:

    The protest was organized by the group People of Color at Ithaca College to express their concerns about racism on campus. They called for a vote of no confidence against Ithaca President Tom Rochon, as well as for Rochon to step down.

    During the protests earlier today, The Ithaca Journal reports, one student asked, “How can a campus dedicated to preparing us for the real world not actively foster growth to our consciousness of oppression and privilege?”


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  187. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Umm… Let me rephrase my comment so it doesn’t demotivate the wrong folks. MGTOW is being spread by folks that don’t want men to suffer under the yoke of current culture. Because of their efforts, and the plain, observable truth of what they’re saying, MGTOW is spreading. The GoAlongGetAlong crowd has the momentum for now, but the acceleration is pointing towards us, because men (mumble) and a few women(/mumble) are trying to wave off the boys coming up behind them.

    Or something. Motivational speaking isn’t really my thing, unless you consider “Another day, another step closer to the sweet release of death” to be motivational.

    Cause, you know, sometimes it is.

    Anyway, go team.

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  188. Spawny Get says:

    Go Janice, go Fiamengo…great video.

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  189. Yoda says:

    Took down the Wilma Flinstone image they did


  190. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    The red, Dandy. The red.

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  191. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Your comment forced me to consider that the fembots are going to make enemies of mainstream women. As men, we’re used to them hating us. How will ordinary women react? At a guess, not too favorably.

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  192. Spawny Get says:

    Oh dear
    I stopped paying attention to Sandman long ago. Lack of interest, nothing more. He’s gone odderer.

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  193. Sumo says:

    I’ve been watching a lot of old Sargon and TL;DR vids on Youtube lately; I cannot put into words how much I appreciate British snark.

    I’m a fairly sarcastic person (I know, I know – shocking), but I’m in awe of this aspect of the culture. If it weren’t for that whole EU thing, I might even consider moving to England.

    Well, that and the fact that my inner Scots would be enraged at being surrounded by all those damned English bastards.

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  194. Spawny Get says:

    Up yer kilt.

    As soon as I have a kitchen, you’re welcome to come cater. We’ll have a party.

    Liked by 2 people

  195. Spawny Get says:

    I recommend Blackadder series 2 if you like humour with a little edge de snark.

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  196. Cill says:

    Go prepared for the foreshortened stud heights in Spawny’s neck of the woods. When I was last in that part of the world, the low ceilings smote my head indiscriminately.

    Liked by 1 person

  197. Spawny Get says:

    I wonder if the cackling cunts on The View are going to laugh this one off

    Liked by 2 people

  198. Spawny Get says:

    This is a local place, for local people. There’s nothing for you here…’cepting concussion and headaches

    Liked by 1 person

  199. Cill says:

    But will your low ceilings offer the same inhospitality to the shortish migrants from Arab lands?

    Liked by 1 person

  200. Sumo says:

    Go prepared for the foreshortened stud heights in Spawny’s neck of the woods.

    But I’m not an ungainly giant like you, buddy. 😉

    Liked by 1 person

  201. Cill says:

    “I wonder if the cackling cunts on The View are going to laugh this one off”
    Buggared if I know, but I’m sure as hell laughing at the Shylock voice in the video (when I was expecting a serious tone of voice). F*cking hell. Mwahahaha! XD

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  202. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post

    Liked by 1 person

  203. Tarnished says:

    This is a local place, for local people.

    So…hobbits and dwarves?


  204. Tarnished says:

    Yes, Tarn, you did ask.

    So I did. So I did. How foolish of me… 😉
    Just goes to prove I still suck at reading body language. I defer to the superior wisdom of Liz and Cill.

    I just saw a stupid photo of a blonde chick with her clothes on. Whats the point of that?

    Agreed. Everyone should just be nekkid.
    Quick, to a nudist colony!

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  205. Cill says:

    That’s the sort of stunt I’d love to pull myself

    Liked by 1 person

  206. Tarnished says:

    My guy and I would like to go to a nudist colony at least once. It looks very relaxing.

    Liked by 1 person

  207. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, I’d rather not remove my codpiece in case I got mobbed by all the foreign sheilas.

    Liked by 1 person

  208. Spawny Get says:

    Local people

    Mr Chinnery, the local vitenry


  209. Spawny Get says:

    The local nudist colony? Mighty Mjollnir would be a tack hammer, this time of year.


  210. SFC Ton says:

    The two stumbled on to two nudist colonies in Hawaii. Never would I go voluntary


  211. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I’m not taking off my fur coat for anyone!

    Liked by 2 people

  212. Cill says:

    If I sat opposite you in a train, you’d know all there is to know about spreading MGTOW


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