Hypergamy and the City


Last year at this time, I was in Hawaii.  One of the days was spent in downtown Honolulu.  There was much money on display there.  And there were an enormous number of pretty women.  From eyewitness accounts, New York City is the same way.  What is going on here?  Why are there so many young pretty women in these places?  These are after all very high rent districts, and most assuredly most of these women are not wealthy.

As you might have guessed, hypergamy is a driving factor.  Probably these women are looking to leverage their youth and beauty as much as they can.  So like Willie Sutton, they go to where the money is.  Perhaps they really do not consciously make this decision; maybe stuff comes bubbling up that pushes them in this direction.  But any way that you look at it, they come to where the money (and/or power) is.

How successful are they?  It depends on what their goals are.  For many, marriage is the goal.  How many rich/powerful men are there?  Probably not so many; at least in comparison to number of women in the vicinity.  Furthermore, these types of men (especially the self made types) are often rather intelligent, and probably are careful about marriage and its risks (except when they are not).  So for many women, lots of pump’n’dumps are on the horizon.  Maybe they can become part of a soft harem.  And most assuredly, they will become alpha widows.

Will there be a happy ending for her?  Probably not.

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188 comments on “Hypergamy and the City
  1. Tarnished says:

    It depends on what part of NYC you’re in. Brooklyn is very different from Staten Island, both in income and population demographics. Then there’s midtown Manhattan, which is more of a financial/business district and where many tourists can be found. Unless you happen to be in one of the more well off/high income areas, people look pretty normal.

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  2. Tarnished says:

    The truly intelligent men and women know that living in the city is generally a money pit unless one is really raking in the dough. Hence, many commute in every morning by train, and still have nice homes 40 min to an hour outside NYC.

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  3. Liz says:

    “truly intelligent men and women know that living in the city is generally a money pit unless one is really raking in the dough.”

    I think it has a bit to do with raising families, too. The city isn’t such a great spot. No yards, not as many open areas nearby. For single people living in the city might be fun, and they can have a studio apartment or something. But it’s different for families.
    I’ve never been to New York City, was in Hawaii but that was over 20 years ago. Lived in Las Vegas, near Washington DC, Phoenix, and Miami. None of those are really “Sex and the City” type cities.

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  4. Liz says:

    Oh, and Dallas.

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  5. Tarnished says:

    Liz, you’ve never been? Oh, you really should! I wouldn’t ever want to live there, but I go to the city every 4 months or so. Never been to Hawaii at all, but I’ve been to Las Vegas, Dallas, Indianapolis, and every state from Maine to Florida along the coast. Of course, usually this is for conventions, so not much time for sightseeing unfortunately…

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  6. Liz says:

    Yeah, maybe I will sometime. 🙂
    Mike really likes NYC too. He travels there all the time.
    We were thinking about a trip with the boys last summer. Maybe we’ll go next summer.

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  7. Tarnished says:

    They’d probably love it, Liz. 🙂
    I’m boring…I only go to the museums, plays, and various exhibits.

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    One of the things I noticed on OkCupid was that women in major metros were better looking, by a lot, than the suburbs. I think this anecdotally confirms your theory about hypergamy and the city. Good looiing women move there to try their luck. They fail and stay.

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  9. Farm Boy says:

    The truly intelligent men and women know that living in the city is generally a money pit unless one is really raking in the dough.

    And that is where to find men who are raking in the dough. That is the point. Fancy houses in suburbia normally imply that he is married. No need to look there.

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    Good looiing women move there to try their luck.

    “Well potty trained” probably you mean.

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  11. Farm Boy says:

    Lived in Las Vegas, near Washington DC, Phoenix, and Miami. None of those are really “Sex and the City” type cities.

    I would think that Miami and Washington, D.C. have some of this.

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  12. Yoda says:

    Seems that the women disbelieving they are

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    They believe you all right.
    Different cities have different charctes attrating differnt priorities in women. While New York is the world’s financial capital, this would atttract women who like tycoons. While Washington is the county’s political capital, this would attract women who are into power. It hink the reason that Toronto has such an awful reputation with men is that it is Canada’s financial capital.

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  14. Tarnished says:

    Fancy houses in suburbia normally imply that he is married.

    I think they would have most assuredly been the case even 30 years ago. Despite the fact that literally 70% of US men ages 20-35 are unmarried, we should also ask how many are actively looking to. Has MGTOW or even just regular bachelorhood become more attractive…or easier?

    It would be ironic if these dolled up women are moving to the cities seeking mates for commitment, but finding few.

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  15. Tarnished says:

    Washington DC definitely did when I was last there 2 years ago. Can’t speak for Miami though.

    How do things look across the pond?

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  16. Yoda says:

    Wonder how many happy to ride carousel they are

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  17. Yoda says:

    Despite the fact that literally 70% of US men ages 20-35 are unmarried

    From where the stat does come?

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  18. Tarnished says:

    Here you go, Yoda:
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married

    Be aware that it also has the typical male shaming of “stuck in adolescence”, “unmotivated”, and “ignorant of the importance of strong families” crap.

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Here yout go.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married

    As for your question about “happy to ride the carousel”, I don’t doubt that they are happy to be wined and dined. As for no strings sex, I honestly don’t know and asking them would only muddy the waters.

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  20. Tarnished says:

    Wonder how many happy to ride carousel they are

    Probably depends heavily on why they are doing it. If they simply want to share sexual pleasures with numerous partners, that’s one thing. However, as sex is more often used as a type of physical validation of their attractiveness or desirability instead of for fun…or worse, a tool for obtaining resources…it wouldn’t end well for the vast majority.

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  21. Tarnished says:

    Lol. Fuzzie quoted the same article I did. 🙂

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  22. Yoda says:

    , I honestly don’t know and asking them would only muddy the waters.

    Because truthful answer they will not give?

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  23. Yoda says:

    Bear and Unicorn made for each other they are.

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  24. Yoda says:

    Be aware that it also has the typical male shaming of “stuck in adolescence”, “unmotivated”, and “ignorant of the importance of strong families” crap.

    The “unmotivated part” true it is

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  25. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Musing on this, it has only been since the sixties that the option of moving to the big city and living on her own has been available to young women. For the balance of recorded time, the norm was for girls to live with their parents until married. this interim period between home and marriage has to have fueled a lot of feminist advancement.

    I have heard harsh stoies from men about how dating in NYC is tough. Poosh never stops saying bad thi8ngs about DC. While the thousands of women are holding out for the few dozen apex males, it’s not doing the lower 99.5% of men any good.
    I do remember reading posts abut China’s “leftover” women. They seem to live in major cities. What makes me scratch my head is that there is a heavy surplus of men in China, due to the one child policy. These women could be married twice over.

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  26. Yoda says:

    Wonder how many women consciously choose the “hypergamy and the city” strategy I do.
    And for how many “it just happened” it did.

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  27. Yoda says:

    Poosh never stops saying bad things about DC.

    Who Poosh would be?
    Perhaps Poosh here it is

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  28. Tarnished says:

    Bear and Unicorn made for each other they are.

    Ha! Silly Yoda…I’m just hacking into Fuzzie’s brain, is all. It’s much nicer than my brain. More rainbows and bear videos, far less creepy shite, comic book knowledge, and general insanity. 😈

    Besides, our bear wants to find a nice, domestic, feminine lady who wears dresses and cooks meat.
    Not, well…me.

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  29. Tarnished says:

    I have heard harsh stoies from men about how dating in NYC is tough.

    Go check out Unfortunate Virgin Male’s blog. He tries from time to time. It’s amazing how many dates can end in the guy spending money with not even a hug or kiss to show for it. 😦

    Flufflepuff again?
    Dear Gods, what have I done…

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  30. Tarnished says:

    At least it’s brighter and happier than some of the other music I listen to. Far less nightmare inducing for bears pink ponies are.

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  31. Tarnished says:

    Yoda, you green bastard. That’s the 10 hour version!

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  32. Mrs. Yoda says:

    Besides, our bear wants to find a nice, domestic, feminine lady who wears dresses and cooks meat.

    All males want this they do.
    If desire a male a lady does,
    then be this way one should.

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  33. Tarnished says:

    Truth. It’s why me and my guy would never get married…it’d be unfair to both of us. Not to mention, current marriage laws are like handing the female a loaded gun. I prefer to have no metaphorical firearms, thanks. :/

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  34. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Sorry. Roosh not Poosh.
    Saying unflatttering things about DC women is something he never varies from. I think it gave him the impetus to go overseas.
    Curiously, back in 1984, I remember hearing rumors in the wake of the Gary Hart-Donna Rice scandal that there was huge distortion in demographics in DC. Very heavy surplus of women. It may still be true. If it is, why is the marketplace giving Roosh grief?

    This reminds me of a discusiion over at J$G about Black America. There are 85 men for every 100 women. With odds that bad against them, why would Black women treat their men harshly to the point of alienating them? Something like this has only happened with the rise of feminism.

    Yoda,
    Do you want me to play that while I sleep?
    Then, there is this, a request fromValimir Putin.

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  35. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Mr and Mrs. Yoda,
    Tarn already has a sweetheart. What you have described sounda like Bloom all over. There is a problem in anything long distance, how do you meet? As online dating taught me, it doesn’t begin to be real until you meet in person. It’s possible to do long distance relationships but, it’s a lot more possible if you only live five minutes away from each other.

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  36. SFC Ton says:

    I would say if you have problems pulling ass in some location the problem is your frame is hollow ie you have “game” vs actual masculinty. This one time, at band camp there was 78 hoglegs per whisker-biscuit. Almost all the men young and in shape. I’ll take the “it’s hard to date in nyc (or xyz place)” serious when it gets to be that out of balance. Otherwise make yourself better vs wishing it was easier

    Hawaii, because it’s mini skirt season near on year around which promotes the healthy body thing so yea a shit ton of good looking girls, but the local girls turn into land whales quickly. So rent them don’t buy.

    Also Honolulu is heavy on the tourist, young tourist to show off the beach body deal, plus lots of college chicks from UH, HPU &….. I am forgetting the other.

    Vegas is a chick town, probably the closet place I have been where getting laid was a semi struggle. Like once on in three days. Well Vegas and being married, vegas mostly driven by money as dudes will dump tons of money on girls, like $200 bottles of Champaign after $200 bottle & not even get the stinky pinky. Day game local girls in the gym. Strippers work out too

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    “Flufflepuff again?
    Dear Gods, what have I done…”

    Prexactly my question to you as well…

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  38. Spawny Get says:

    “I prefer to have no metaphorical firearms, thanks.”
    Don’t blame you. They sound very dull.

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  39. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t know about pink fluffy unicorns.
    Do you think that Ton may be looking up recipes?

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  40. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About the metaporical firearms, Tarn is secure enough to have no need. However, given a fifty percent divorce rate with two thirds initiated by women, there have to be a lot of women out there who like having that weapon.
    It still bothers me when I think of a youtuber who found his wife on OkCupid and then she called the police. He was never allowed to go home again. Cold shot.

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  41. Tarnished says:

    About the metaporical firearms, Tarn is secure enough to have no need.
    Wasn’t even thinking about security there, Fuzzie. Just that you don’t hurt people you love.

    However, given a fifty percent divorce rate with two thirds initiated by women, there have to be a lot of women out there who like having that weapon.
    Yup. Marriage is a minefield. Makes it tough on most men, and on ladies like Bloom.

    It still bothers me when I think of a youtuber who found his wife on OkCupid and then she called the police.
    Wow…whattabitch.

    Don’t blame you. They sound very dull.
    Lol.

    Prexactly my question to you as well…
    Hey now. I can do worse than pink ponies and rainbows, y’know.
    I could put up a video of  Richard* from the webcomic Looking for Group singing about slaughtering a village to the tune from “Part of your World”.

    * Chief Warlock of the Brothers of Darkness, Lord of the Thirteen Hells, Master of the Bones, Emperor of the Black, Lord of the Undead, and mayor of a small village up the coast.

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  42. Spawny Get says:

    Oh that Richard. I was thinking of the other one, works down the pub. Nice bloke. Ta for the disambiguation.

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  43. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I thas been a while since I saw the video and I can’t remember which oneit was of Life After Women. The way he told it, he found her profile, confronted her, she then called the cops, and they gave him an option-go to jail or leave the house and never come back.
    Considering that police have a high rate of divorce, I have to wonder how they feel when they get the same ultimatum.

    This may be where it all ends. There was a scene in Nicholas and Alexandra, during the bread riots, people break nto a warehouse. Then, the Cossacks arrive. Rather than split open heads with their sabers, they split open bags of grain.

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  44. Tarnished says:

    Here, Fuzzie. I’m subscribed to him as well. Didn’t realize that was who you were referring to at first.

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  45. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    A little off topic for COTWA but well worth a read.

    http://www.cotwa.info/2015/10/when-nude-photos-of-female-celebrities.html

    Do feminists promote double standard? Oops!

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  46. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    It has been a while since I last saw that video. Talk about powerful. Considering how many men go through this, it is a wonder they haven’t rioted in the streets.

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  47. Yoda says:

    Milo,

    Today is my birthday. Don’t ask how old; I’ll only lie. I am announcing today that I am to have no more birthdays in the future. From now on, October 18 (in case you’re a loser and you’re reading this a day late because you don’t have Milo Alert!) will be officially recognised as World Patriarchy Day.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/10/17/its-my-birthday-and-ive-got-you-all-a-present/

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  48. SFC Ton says:

    I once ordered a can of unicorn meat, it was spam or some such with an awesome label.

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  49. SFC Ton says:

    World Patriarchy Day? Everyday is World Patriarchy Day. I literally do almost everything on that list daily

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  50. Liz says:

    “Washington DC definitely did when I was last there 2 years ago. Can’t speak for Miami though.”

    Walking around the city? In the subways? At nightclubs? Where?
    Maybe I wasn’t very observant, especially because the kids were young then. But I really didn’t notice a lot of young and good looking women in Washington DC.
    Usually I see them in fair weather places, around college campuses (though even that has changed). If young, pretty women are abundant in Washington DC or Miami (fair weather city, so I guess there are some) it’s probably more a question of where one can use a liberal arts degree. Also, there’s theater and modeling in New York City. New York City is kind of like California, isn’t it? “If I can make it there I’ll make it anywhere…it’s up to you New York New York…”
    In Las Vegas women just look weird.

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  51. Liz says:

    Las Vegas: Even at the gym, they look weird. That was the only place I’ve seen women in full makeup and long dangling earings on the treadmill.

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  52. Liz says:

    Per “marriage minded men”, I guess the paradigm has changed a bit (since there are less married men) but that might just be a reflection of the choices. Mike wasn’t a “marriage minded dude” back when we got married. “Gee…I’m most likely going to be a fighter pilot and I’ve seen what those guys can pull, but what I really want to do is marry some nice girl right now when I’m a student delivering pizzas”. He married me because he knew if he went off without me he’d regret it, not because he was looking for a wife.

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  53. SFC Ton says:

    Not sure about the marriage minded man. In general I think men become marriage minded when they get oneitis but not before.

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  54. SFC Ton says:

    Some of y’all may find some value in this an My next post

    https://tonsplace.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/modern-life-vs-the-beta-male/

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  55. Yoda says:

    Perhaps “marriage possible men” a better term it would be

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  56. Liz says:

    Impossible is a very very very high bar.

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  57. Yoda says:

    Sometimes ratio high it would be,

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042000/Not-sex-city–Study-shows-women-outnumber-men-FOUR-TO-ONE-parts-U-S.html

    Some areas across the U.S. have become a ‘candy store’ for straight single men on the dating scene, leaving dismal prospects for young women because the male-to-female ratios are so incredibly skewed.

    In the 10001 zip code of Manhattan’s chic Chelsea district, 78 per cent of 20-year-olds are females

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  58. Yoda says:

    Impossible is a very very very high bar.

    If married men are, “more married” supposedly impossible it is

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  59. Yoda says:

    More here it is,

    You’re looking in Manhattan
    The island is great for, say, watching a cheesy musical or spending $300 on a bottle of vodka. But for dating? Not so much.
    “Because women have been graduating from college in 30-plus percent greater numbers than men for years, there are now four women for every three men nationally in the marriage-age, college-educated dating market,” Birger says.
    In Manhattan, the numbers are even more dire, with 38 percent more young female college grads than male. Birger says the imbalance is also exacerbated by New York’s large population of gay males. Some 9 to 12 percent of men in Manhattan are gay, according to Gary Gates, a demographics expert at UCLA’s Williams Institute.
    Other cities especially brutal for single women are Houston; Providence, RI; and Raleigh, NC. Better options include Silicon Valley, San Francisco, San Diego and Columbus, Ohio

    http://nypost.com/2015/08/25/hey-ladies-here-are-8-reasons-youre-single/

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  60. Liz says:

    “If married men are, “more married” supposedly impossible it is”

    Many a subsequently married mistress, “I’ll never leave my wife” she has heard.

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  61. Yoda says:

    Liz now has Yoda virus she does

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  62. Yoda says:

    New York women like short men not.
    More hypergamy this would be
    Though a tall bear luck he could have

    http://gothamist.com/2013/12/08/its_hard_out_there_for_a_short_man.php

    AYI analyzed over 50,000 interactions in the NY metropolitan area to determine how likely female online daters were to contact a men that was 5’9″ or under when she viewed his profile. And the results were rather depressing: Manhattan women were the choosiest (only 1.2% would contact), followed by The Bronx (1.2%), Brooklyn (2.4%) and Long Island (3.7%).

    “Cross-culturally, women show a preference for taller mates,” Dr. Jill Shapiro, a biological anthropologist at Columbia University, explained to the Post. “Most people think it’s related to sexual selection. Taller men are perceived to be healthier, be better providers. By being tall, you are signaling that you have good genes.” And a higher-paying job.

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  63. New York is a fun place to visit but I wouldn’t want to live there. My friends paid more for a tiny one bedroom apt. than I pay for 5 acres in the country! No thanks… When I was younger I did want to live in the city but my ex would not have it. Now when I go to the city I can’t figure out what I thought was so great about it back then!

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  64. Liz says:

    OT rant, still watching the Vikings show in season 3 now. So…the girlfriend of one of the main characters wanted to be a “shield maiden” and went with the raiding party to England and they had a battle. Her face got slashed and she’s all upset now. What did she expect would happen in a battle with much stronger people weilding axes and swords?

    I guess I’m supposed to be grief stricken for her because that’s the plotline but I can’t stop laughing out loud at the absurdity. Yes, IF women actually fought as warrior Vikings they’d probably look a little worse for the wear. Too un-Laura Croft? /rant

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  65. BuenaVista says:

    DC is famously called “Hollywood for ugly people”, and doesn’t compare (in regard to female SMVs) to NYC.

    NYC women are thinner, taller, better dressed, smarter, better educated, have better social skills, have better “other” skills too. In addition, New York women are socially and sexually *much* more aggressive; the eye contact one receives there, on the street, is more significant than any city I’ve ever experienced (e.g., Tokyo, L.A., Miami, Chicago, London, Paris, Prague, Rome, Moscow, St Petersburg), with the possible exception of women on a girls trip to Vegas, and the latter are just trolling for a good story to tell their friends back home in Wichita.

    Once I was buying coffee on the east side of Manhattan, in my normal Hedgefund Gigolo get-up (boots, jeans, double-breasted pink seersucker jacket, white button-down shirt). A woman wearing $5000 worth of clothing, a $30,000 watch, jewelry goodness $knows, gave me her card. At 8:15 a.m.

    NYC attracts a completely different class of woman: someone who works in Big Finance or the arts — two verticals where DC is provincial if not woeful, in comparison. DC attracts homely chicks from state universities who work the public, or quasi-public sectors (NGOs).

    A woman in DC goes to Sport and Fitness and takes spinning classes. She’s comfortable in her body (i.e., needs to drop 20, stuffs herself into yoga pants anyway). A woman in NYC spends $200/month on the gym and trainers and can talk on her phone while checking out the room while in a plank and displaying an ass the size of a basketball (i.e., you could palm it). And you do not mess with these women, they will mop the floor with you if you try (unless you pass their wallet biopsy testing).

    NYC offers an accepted culture of the single person; DC is all about playing around in Adams Morgan in the 20’s, the ring and the burbs in the 30’s. The government has pretty low standards and attracts mediocre people to jobs that have no job description or accountability. It’s a perfect place for people who say they “want to make a difference”, which is code for “pay me with other people’s money while I claim moral perfection.”

    My little boy’s mom is 5’10”, lives on Park Avenue, has two degrees from Harvard, and was once the homecoming queen in Williston, N.D. But she’s lately put on a lot of weight and cannot get the time of day, from men: she’s uncompetitive. In DC and Baltimore she’d be shuffling men like playing cards.

    My daughter moved to NYC immediately on graduation, at 20, works 80 hours a week, still works out two hours a day 5x a week, qualified and ran Boston this year, last dated a NYT reporter, and speaks four languages, one of which she only learned while working full-time etc. This is normal behavior in that environment.

    Hypergamy? Well, yeah. NYC has the most money, the most style, and the most romance. It is a city-state, a kind of post-modern version of 16th century Venice. I moved to NYC with $200 when I was 17; it’s not just the women who wish to test themselves there.

    Another way to think of this: for 1000 years Moscow was the marriage market for Russia. So if you want to know why Russian women (those we see, and they’re mostly from Moscow or SPB) are such knockouts, trust in a competitive marketplace. NYC remains such a place, in our world.

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  66. Tarnished says:

    Some 9 to 12 percent of men in Manhattan are gay, according to Gary Gates, a demographics expert at UCLA’s Williams Institute.
    Explains why Tarn knows more gay men than would seem possible this does. Many in the area there are, and gamers accepting people we be.

    New York women like short men not.
    Important to note that city-folk New Yorkers different than rural/suburban New Yorkers they are. Many waiters ask Tarn and friends what state they are from, they do. Almost cannot believe we are native, so polite and unrushed we are.

    Though a tall bear luck he could have
    Our bear tall he is?

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  67. Liz says:

    Interesting, BV. No wonder Mike likes NYC. Must have something to do with the ambiance.
    🙂
    I don’t think it sounds like my way of life though. Sounds like a depressing rat race.

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  68. Liz says:

    Souns like I’ll need to go shopping before that visit next summer though.

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  69. I noticed the very direct ioi’s in New York as well. Much more direct than on the west coast!

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  70. Liz says:

    From women or dudes, Bloom?

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  71. Yoda says:

    No wonder Mike likes NYC.

    Why this is?
    Sounds like hell it does.
    Degoba much better for introverts like me it is.

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  72. Yoda says:

    Wonder what percentages of introverts in Manhattan there is.

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  73. Tarnished says:

    Degoba much better for introverts like me it is.

    Absolutely. There’s a reason I don’t go to the city by myself, and only with my guy or siblings. Too many people, too much noise, too much rushing around to the next rat race. Busy, busy, busy. Gets introverts on edge, it does.

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  74. Yoda says:

    Freshwomen,

    This year, the freshman class at many universities could have been called the fresh woman class. Among those enrolling at my university this year, the percentage of females jumped to 70. Since we don’t yet have an “undecided” category for gender that means the percentage of males fell to 30. While many are asking why so many women are going to college it might make more sense to ask why so few men are going to college.

    There are some fairly obvious reasons for the demographic shift. While claiming to be combatting a hostile environment for women, the feminist movement has actually been creating a hostile campus environment for men for years. In fact, most of their policy initiatives are now hurting men rather than helping women. Title IX provides the most obvious example.

    I have no doubt that most of the initial supporters of Title IX envisioned that it would do nothing more than bring female athletes to campus. However, it is now serving as a death sentence for many men’s athletic programs. Furthermore, as anyone following the news in the last couple of years knows, Title IX has been used to do a lot more than shift the balance of power in the arena of sports and recreation.

    Unfortunately, Title IX is now used as a weapon to undermine due process for men accused of rape and sexual harassment. Over the last several years, under the expanding requirements of Title IX, universities have been pressured to use a preponderance of evidence standard rather than a standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt in campus rape

    http://townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/2015/10/19/the-constitution-is-a-female-dog-n2067152

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  75. Yoda says:

    More here it is,

    Unfortunately, Title IX is now used as a weapon to undermine due process for men accused of rape and sexual harassment. Over the last several years, under the expanding requirements of Title IX, universities have been pressured to use a preponderance of evidence standard rather than a standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt in campus rape tribunals.

    Universities have also been strong-armed into abandoning the prohibition against double jeopardy, which attaches in normal criminal trials. Hence, women are able to file multiple unfounded accusations of sexual assault against the same man – and to do so with impunity.

    The Department of Education is responsible for pressuring state universities into turning these rape hearings into kangaroo courts under the threat of stripping them of federal funding. This underscores the need for the GOP to take up the cause of eliminating the federal Department of Education just as they once tried to do in the 1980s. Note that those efforts were initiated just a few years after the federal department was created during the Carter administration.

    If Republicans ever manage to get rid of the Department of Education it will not be enough. There is no guarantee that similar assaults on campus due process will not start coming from the Department of Justice. Put simply, the only way to ensure that these Title IX injustices will cease is to do the obvious: Repeal Title IX.

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  76. Liz says:

    “If Republicans ever manage to get rid of the Department of Education it will not be enough. There is no guarantee that similar assaults on campus due process will not start coming from the Department of Justice.”

    This isn’t true.
    I’d cite as evidence that fact that the kangeroo court tribunal process would never hold up in actual court….the reason for the tribunal process in the first place. This is also why soldiers can be prosecuted on the same basis for the same sorts of evidence-less crimes that would never hold up in civilian court. At least in the university kangeroo court all they can do is kick the person out of the university. In the military that person gets a prison sentence and a felony conviction for the rest of his life.

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  77. Liz says:

    The JAG at the base here is a very successful civilian prosecuting attorney and I’ve heard it straight from him…this sort of thing would never hold up in civilian court.

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  78. Yoda says:

    It’s a perfect place for people who say they “want to make a difference”, which is code for “pay me with other people’s money while I claim moral perfection.”

    Irritates me to no end this does.
    Call them on this everybody should.

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  79. Tarnished says:

    Irritates me to no end this does.
    Call them on this everybody should.

    Charities in general?
    Or those who claim they’re superior because they work at one?

    I support a number of the former, zero of the latter.

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  80. JDG says:

    You can add downtown Chicago, downtown LA, Newport Beach, and Santa Barbara to the “pretty girls” list. Where there’s money there’s pretty girls, and not so many sammiches. It’s a shame.

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  81. Yoda says:

    Another problem that men do have,

    Put simply: In a hypothetical scenario (one in which the man will never meet the woman), men showed greater attraction toward a woman who was smarter than them, but when they are faced with actually meeting a more intelligent woman, they showed less attraction and desire to date her.
    The reason, the researchers conclude, has to do with threats to masculinity (which are far more acute when the man actually has to meet the woman versus when this woman is merely a hypothetical concept).
    “Feelings of diminished masculinity accounted for men’s decreased attraction toward women who outperformed them in the live interaction context,” the researchers wrote.

    The researchers (as they often do in these kinds of studies) cautioned that more research was needed to further confirm that conclusion. And, of course, this preference for less-intelligent women in real life could be due to other factors.
    As the authors in the study published in “Quarterly Journal of Economics” note, “men’s avoidance of more intelligent or ambitious women could be due to fear of rejection by these higher quality women.”

    Plenty of men aren’t threatened by a woman’s intelligence, and this study didn’t look at what would happen if a man was in a relationship with a woman more intelligent than he was.

    MarketWatch asked psychologists about how men can overcome bias (if they have it) against smart women.

    First, “remember that each of you has many positive attributes,” says psychologist Elizabeth Lombardo, author of Better Than Perfect: 7 Strategies to Crush your Inner Critic and Create a Life You Love. “Focus on appreciating her strengths, including her intelligence [and] stop comparing yourself to her.”

    Furthermore, you should “realize that this is an issue with your own self-esteem, not the fact that she is smart.”

    http://nypost.com/2015/10/16/men-feel-threatened-by-smarter-women-science-says/

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  82. Liz says:

    Lead story: “Men feel threatened by smarter women”

    Conclusion: See! Men are afraid of smart women. They have self-esteem issues and are losers.

    Real Situation: Hey fellas, we’ll describe a woman for you. Does she sound good? Yeah? Okay, you take an IQ test and she’ll take one and we’ll match you guys up to make sure she tested higher than you. Won’t that be fun? No? What’s the matter are you afraid of the smartness?

    Real Conclusion: Women are cunts if they think they are superior.

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  83. Yoda says:

    Wonder how much fun the carousel is for such women I do.

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  84. Yoda says:

    Men like pleasant women they do.
    Often high IQ women are this not

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  85. Liz says:

    “Often high IQ women are this not”

    True. But the problem isn’t the IQ.

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  86. Tarnished says:

    Men like pleasant women they do.
    Often high IQ women are this not.

    Is it because of social awkwardness? 😦

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  87. Liz says:

    “Is it because of social awkwardness?”

    It’s because she thinks she is superior.

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  88. Tarnished says:

    Ah. Well, people need to realize that high IQ doesn’t automatically make one a better person. It doesn’t mean you’re kind, understanding, likable, generous, honest, loving, or evendors have common sense…all good traits that have little to do with IQ. These are behaviors that are independent of base intelligence, and go more towards a “superior” woman or man than sheer IQ numbers.

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  89. Tarnished says:

    Truthfully, I don’t enjoy being around anyone, male or female, who has their nose in the air. I have very little time for people who act superior just because.

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  90. BuenaVista says:

    Liz, for NYC, just do like the French girls do: good shoes or boots, black jeans, black jacket, black or white shirt. Worked as well for Jackie O. Good luck finding a picture of her in Manhattan where she is not in black and white.

    Tarn, you do realize that all your opinionating on how people *should* be has nothing to do with how they *are.* Right?

    But I think if you get a Salvation Army bell and ring it on the corner in St. Marks Place, you’ll convert a few chicks to the straight and narrow. Unfortunately, then they’ll move back to Utica, to marry Vinnie, the guy with the town garbage concession, and NYC will remain unchanged.

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  91. Liz says:

    “Liz, for NYC, just do like the French girls do: good shoes or boots, black jeans, black jacket, black or white shirt.”
    Thanks BV, in that case I think I’ve got it covered. Squee! 🙂

    Tarn, the article mentioned these people meeting under the premise that one is more intelligent. Imagine that on a first date (the situation here). Jim, meet Peggy. Peggy is the smart one here. Have a good time you two! It’s really no mystery why men wanted to opt out of that.

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  92. @ Liz these were guys. My friend is a real food and wine person so she took me to all these places where celebrities and such hung out, very swanky spots. Anyway I was taken aback by how direct the ioi’s were, even guys who were there w another girl were looking me dead in the eye with that “how about it? Wanna piece of this?” Look. I was taken aback it was so direct, like even looking behind myself wondering of they meant someone else because while I get noticed in my neck of the woods, it had never been so obviously or straightforward as that! It was surreal.

    As for fashion, I did go shopping at a high end clothing store before I went, as I was meeting w editors from magazines like Glamour and such. Talk about pressure! But the sales gal I worked w was brilliant, she put together a ten piece mix and match wardrobe that could make oodles of dress up or dress down combos for any situation. Handy! And even so some of the clothing that got the most compliments was from Target of all places! Apparently they don’t have one in Manhattan so everyone was like, “oooooh where did you get that?!?!” It cracked me up!

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  93. Tarnished says:

    BV,

    Tarn, you do realize that all your opinionating on how people *should* be has nothing to do with how they *are.* Right?

    So what? I can still have an opinion, and can conduct myself in a way I wish others would. Just because standards for some are different than I prefer has no bearing on whether I need to do the same. Heck, we could even do the same activity but for different reasons.

    I also don’t support the Salvation Army, so I’d never be found ringing one of their little bells. 😛

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  94. And yes, the wardrobe was mostly black and white! Lol.

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  95. Tarnished says:

    Jim, meet Peggy. Peggy is the smart one here. Have a good time you two!

    Well, no kidding. Nobody introduces themselves like that for a reason. If it were “Tarn, meet Alex. Alex is the smart one here. Have a nice date!” that’d just be surreal and really unenjoyable. Who wants that type of pressure to prove oneself on a first date…or any?

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  96. Spawny Get says:

    There’s also the problem of women’s love of credentials. Only a woman (or her mangina hubby) would value a master’s in Comparative Horseshit Studies…but they do. And even though they end up as a barista, they’ll still want a guy with a PhD. Women and their delusions…

    Same goes with height. I’ve seen research saying that 5’6 women walking around in 6″ heels think 6′ guys are only the same height! Put them on precarious 6″ spikes of plastic and their hindbrain thinks they’re a physical match…

    If the power ever fails on the holodeck world that pre-wall women inhabit…holy shit! The world will feel the impact as their perceptions hit reality.

    What’s the phrase? Wimminz be crazy…something like that

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  97. Tarnished says:

    That’s too funny, Spawny. How much delusion can fit in 1 brain?

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  98. SFC Ton says:

    I stopped watching Vikings because of the dumbshit girl power thing

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  99. SFC Ton says:

    LOL @ Republicans shutting down the dept of education. Reagan said he would, and that he would shut down the dept of energy and did neither. The gop is th original big govt party. SOMETIMES the gop grows the govt at a slower rate then the dnc, sometimes not.

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  100. SFC Ton says:

    Most of the world’s current problems are due to the high iq types. It wasnt dumb hillbillies who thought women should vote etc.

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  101. Spawny Get says:

    The power girl thing and/or blatantly switching a woman into a male lead role has had me not bother with a number of tv series and films. The Mad Max movie was a great example. Was it a feminist movie at the end of the day? No idea, not seen it. They marketed it as having had Eve Vagina Monologues Ensler providing guidance…I’m out. I hope that that bullshit cost them fucking millions. For every butch lesbian that went to see it as a result, I hope that they lost ten guys with self respect. Let the lesson go forth…feminism in the media costs money off the bottom line. Same with games. Same with books. Same with marriage law and divorce rape. Same with title ix where colleges are now worrying that they’re getting reputations as sushi fests because the sausages left town. And women don’t want to go to college s with only a few pussy whipped effeminate guys.

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  102. SFC Ton says:

    LOL same with race too.

    In the movie Thor they turned Heimdallr into a negro. I left. Heard tell later on they have an Asian playing another Norse deity

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  103. Spawny Get says:

    Ton, repeat after me, “it’s not cultural appropriation when you steal from white cultures, which don’t exist in the first place”

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  104. Spawny Get says:

    Whatever happened to Suet Pork, anyway? Was that PuffHo debacle the end of her threadbare cred? Not heard of her since #CancelColdBeers

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  105. Liz says:

    Mike is TDY to some diversity awareness training class. So he spent the day in mandatory diversity awareness training. The stupid there was painful.
    I think that if Watership Down had been written today (I realize these are fictional characters, and not only fictional characters but rabbits), the leader would have been a doe and the bucks would cornhole.

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  106. Sumo says:

    Heard tell later on they have an Asian playing another Norse deity

    Ok, I am not arguing this point just because I’m Asian, but….the character that Ton is referring to, Hogun the Grim, was created specifically for the comics, and has no counterpart among the Norse pantheon, like Odin, Thor, etc. The character is described as *not* being of the same race as the Asgardians, and his manner of dress is somewhat reminiscent of the Mongols. So having the character portrayed in film by a Japanese actor is not nearly as silly as making Heimdal a black dude.

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  107. Spawny Get says:

    At least they’re not dum enough to turn Thor into a mouthy fembot woman…wait! What? WTF?

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  108. SFC Ton says:

    I am really pissed my forefathers were soft enough to allow so many of these creatures to live. You never once here them say “thanks for not slaughtering us to the last even though we were technically and culturally inferior savages”

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  109. Spawny Get says:

    Oh noes!
    First they turn Thor’s willy inside out…and then Liz says that Thumper and Bright-Eyes aren’t reals.

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  110. SFC Ton says:

    Sumo, little brother, I am sad you know so much about comics

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    I would ask who you were talking about, but then I’d probably get passed off and start deleting comments

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  112. Sumo says:

    Fuck, I can’t stop laughing at that. 😀

    What can I say? I’ll read anything I can get my hands on.

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  113. Spawny Get says:

    I’d be happier if I hadn’t spent yesterday trying to stop PFUDOR running through my head. It’s trying to break through as I write this …CURSE YOU TARN!

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  114. SFC Ton says:

    My buddies church has a sign on the door which says

    You and your gun are welcome

    It’s a legit operation on most fronts, including verified death threats from moslems for preaching in moslem country’s

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  115. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    All this talk about NYC and dating. I remember Frank from another blog. He lived there and the womem would not give him the time of day. Nothing wrong with him. There was the son of a gal that I was corresponding with on OkCupid. Two hundred first dates without a follow up. Nothing wrong with him either. What I think is happening is that hypergamy has been dialed up to beyond ridiculous.I think that nearly all of these women are spending all their nights at homeand will leave NYC when they hit the wall.

    Yoda,
    So the demographics at college have gone from 60/40 to 70/30 female to male? That’s 1.5/1 and 2.33/1. Fembots should be concerned. First, they’ll run out of men to persecute and, second, the women won’t come because there are no men there.

    Liz,
    You cn wear color. Jacqueline Kennedy made black and white look good because she dark eyed and raven haired.

    I was thinking that the 80/20 rule was bad. I think NYC is an example of a 2/98 rule.

    Tarn,
    I’m 6’2″ but my build is slight.

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  116. When I realized the men in my were giving me ioi’s, what did I do? Gave them a dirty look. I feel bad about it now, but I am not friendly w men in bars as a general rule. And yes, there is very probably a reason I am single :/ I am a smv flunkie!

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  117. Also in my defense, it took me many years after being single again (I met my ex at 19) to not automatically respond to men like I was taken. Old habits die hard!

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  118. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Maybe this will help. Although, I would much rather look at pink fluffy unicorns than SheWhoWillNotBeNamed.

    Also, an ode to hypergamy with New York as a backdrop.

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  119. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    You are not an SMV flunkie! It’s very unnerving to be appraised so boldly in public. Years ago, a business colleague visited his son in Portland, Oregon. With no work for men and plenty of office jobs, there were a dearth of men. He said, they looked him up one side and down the other. It was very different from California, where he wouldn’t get a second glance.
    As for New York, I have heard this and it must be something local.

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  120. Liz says:

    “I am a smv flunkie!”
    You are not, Bloom. I second Fuzzie. 🙂
    (although, it would have been better not to give them a dirty look for the look)
    There’s a very beautiful girl who works at the coffee shop here. She’s at the high school, and you can tell people stare at her all of the time because when people speak to her she will never look them in the eye. I was that way at that age.

    Random observation, it’s weird to me when I get “looks” now…not from men my age or older, but it’s weird from younger men. Cougarism just didn’t exist when I was young (or maybe I just didn’t notice). It’s a real thing now. When I was looking at colleges with my oldest son the boys were staring at us and I assumed they were fags staring at him. My thoughts were, “Damn, there sure are a lot of homosexuals at the universities now…”
    But we parted in the bookstore and the looks at me were still there. It was flattering, but also strange. Mike noticed that same thing…girls were staring at him. Which wasn’t as weird, but it was still kind of surprising how much they stared. One girl was staring at him so hard at the bbq shack I mentioned it. This girl seriously looked about 15 and he said, “Yeah, I noticed. She must think I’m her uncle or something.”
    😛

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  121. Farm Boy says:

    RPG has the attributes that men value. Feminine, moral, good mother, etc.

    What more needs to be said?

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  122. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    I wasn’t aware of that. Do you think that it may be linked to how fat America is getting? I am presuming that you are lean. Lart that I heard, only about a third of women are normal weight and it may have gotten worse since then.
    That Mike would be stared at by a fifteen year old is odd.

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  123. Liz says:

    I think it must be all the fatties, Fuzzie. .

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  124. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    I have heard other people say that really limits the field. That men are generally leaner only exacerbates it.

    I had another thought about all the twentysomethings moving to the big city. They have to be doing it on someone else’s dime because an entry level job can’t cover the overhead. Is Daddy paying for all this foolishness?

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  125. Yoda says:

    I’m 6’2″ but my build is slight.

    Put on weight for the winter hibernation you must.
    Molly feed you she must

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  126. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    If you are out there, I have these for you!
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄
    It has been a few days since we have heard from your family.
    Your cheerfulness is missed.

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  127. Liz You still got it!

    It always takes me by surprise too. I don’t know how men could tell I am moral or a good mom just looking at me, feminine perhaps. Sad it’s such a rare sight that men half my age take notice!

    And I don’t give a cougar vibe, trust me!

    On the other hand I should have hit the wall some time ago so while it made me self concious when you get, now I am flattered!

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  128. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    It may be clean living.

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  129. @ fuzzie I wish I could claim that but maybe it’s genetics? 🙂 I don’t diet or watch what I eat really, nor do I work out beyond my farm chores. Many live healthier than me!

    When I was young, the attention I got was overwhelming. Perhaps with a different personality I would have worked it for all it was worth, but instead I dressed down and tried not to call attention. With age it is not so threatening but at one time it surely was.

    Youth is wasted on the young! 🙂

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  130. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    I have suspicion that what you are on the inside shows on the outside after a certain age too.
    I can see a modest girl being unwilling to take advantage of her beauty. I do have to wonder about girls who are bold. It’s not a feminine trait.

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  131. Yoda says:

    I have suspicion that what you are on the inside shows on the outside after a certain age too.

    Probably true this is.
    Good attribute to have it would be.

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  132. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have to wonder if anyone has ever considered the cost of enabling all this hypergamy. Even a back of the envelope calculation would have to run into very large numbers.

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  133. Yoda says:

    I’d be happier if I hadn’t spent yesterday trying to stop PFUDOR running through my head.

    Congratulations in order they would be.
    First one to reach the finish at 10 hour mark you are.

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  134. Yoda says:

    Wonder if GFUDOR there is.
    Make good gift for Mrs. Yoda’s 910th Birthday it would.

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  135. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    GREEN Fluffy Unicorn Dancing On Rainbow???
    This may make a great addition to the Yoda household.

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  136. Spawny Get says:

    a) I get the etymology (I flunked an exam), but flunky don’t mean over here what it appears to means to you lot. Having looked it up, I think that you’re just using it wrong full-stop.

    b) no, you’re not (Bloom)

    Flunky (freedictionary)

    flun·ky also flun·key (flŭng′kē)
    n. pl. flun·kies also flun·keys
    1. A person of slavish or unquestioning obedience; a lackey.
    2. One who does menial or trivial work; a drudge.
    3. A liveried manservant.
    [Scots, perhaps from flanker, an attendant at one’s flank.]
    flun′ky·ism n.
    flunky (ˈflʌŋkɪ) or flunkey
    n, pl flunkies or flunkeys
    1. a servile or fawning person
    2. a person who performs menial tasks
    3. a manservant in livery
    [C18: of unknown origin]
    flun•ky or flun•key (ˈflʌŋ ki)

    n., pl. -kies or -keys.
    1. a male servant in livery.
    2. an assistant who does menial work.
    3. a servile follower; toady; yes-man.
    [1775–85; perhaps alter. of flanker]

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  137. Spawny Get says:

    “This may make a great addition to the Yoda household.”

    Mrs Yoda is up the duff? At her age? Also, I advise Yoda to seek a paternity test tout-suite

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  138. Spawny Get says:

    It’s clearly true that there is a ‘wall’ that women hit at some point in their life. They don’t look as good at 45 as they did at 25, however, well…however a few things:
    a) the age at impact varies tremendously. Lindsay Lohan being an example that springs to mind. That darned party life.
    b) the speed of impact and the resultant extent of the damage. You don’t have to be travelling at warp. It doesn’t have to be the Boulder Dam.
    c) how much you had in the first place obviously affects how much you can have afterwards.
    d) the type of things that you did when young can have results too. I’m a believer in the ‘thousand cock stare’ phenomenon (h/t Roissy or somesuch) in women that rode the horseys on the carousel too hard, for too long and too many of them. An echo of some innocence is attractive (an echo – keeping it real). ‘Wholesome’? perhaps. Spice it up appropriately in private.

    The thing is…men like femininity. Women later in life can do femininity better…if they try. Don’t camp it up, just be…

    Yes, men do like younger women. But most men are realistic about what they can trap. Especially if they’re looking for a relationship that lasts. The age of those men that might target you might be older than you find ideal, however. YMMV a lot. Especially as you have a business that you run successfully and have the kids growing up as sane as possible given the fact that they’re kids ;). Keeping the relationship with the local ex sane is also going to be noted.

    Anyway, FWIW

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  139. Spawny Get says:

    Some people photocopy their arse and leave a copy on the boss’ desk as they leave the company, others? well, others…

    The former health minister under Blair, a life peer, quits Labour over Jeremy Corbyn. Developing…

    His resignation letter to Corbyn via the Guardian:

    I have watched for some time the declining quality of the Labour party’s leadership, but had not expected the calamitous decline achieved in 2015. The Labour party is no longer a credible party of government-in-waiting. The approach of those around you and your own approach and policies is highly likely to to worsen the decline and in the Labour party’s credibilty.

    “I fear for the future of the Labour party if your supporting activists secure ever control of the party’s apparatus and process, and the role of the parliamentary Labour party diminishes further in the selection of a leader and the formulation of policies likely to win an election.”

    “Labour will only win another election with a policy approach that wins back people who have moved to voting Conservative and Ukip, as well as to Greens and SNP. Your approach is unlikely to achieve this shift”.

    (emphasis mine)

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  140. Spawny Get says:

    On the endlessly lefty BBC, an SJW gets it in the face. Pay attention to the timing of the applause. I saw this live and was slightly encouraged. I think that the immigration crisis backlash against the bleeding hearts is becoming public. Once again, our glorious leaders are horrendously out of touch with a very large part of the population

    Schama “What’s really contemptible Rod, is saying emotion should have no part in how we actually respond”

    Liddle “I’m interested in outcomes, not in your emotion…”

    Schama “Do not presume to lecture me about the inadequacy of an emotional response. Go back to your journalistic hackery about outcomes and turn your suburban face away from the plight of the miserable.”

    (emphasis mine)

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  141. Spawny Get says:

    Laurel and Hardy…marvelous

    Ollie: Didn’t you once tell me that you had an uncle?
    Stan: Sure, I’ve got an uncle. Why?
    Ollie: Now we’re getting somewhere. Is he living?
    Stan: No. He fell through a trap door and broke his neck.
    Ollie: Was he building a house?
    Stan: No, they were hanging him.

    Stan: You remember how dumb I used to be?
    Ollie: Yeah?
    Stan: Well, I’m better now.

    Woman: About how much money do you boys average a street?
    Ollie: I would say about fifty cents a street.
    Woman: There’s a dollar. Move down a couple of streets.

    Stan: I don’t know anything about cutting wood.
    Ollie: Well, you ought to. You once told me your father was in the lumber business.
    Stan: Well, I know he was but it was only in a small way.
    Ollie: What do you mean small way?
    Stan: Well, he … he used to sell toothpicks.

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  142. Yoda says:

    Hillary unhappy she was

    The political consultant’s new book, “The Clintons’ War on Women,” is the top-rated political history seller on Amazon, but the online retailer was flooded last week with one-star reviews.

    “My publisher [Skyhorse] confirmed with Amazon — they were all from the same URL, at Hillary’s HQ in Brooklyn

    http://pagesix.com/2015/10/19/author-hillary-flooded-amazon-with-negative-reviews-of-my-book/

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  143. Yoda says:

    Mike is TDY to some diversity awareness training class. So he spent the day in mandatory diversity awareness training. The stupid there was painful.

    The above sillines results in the following it does


    There’s a bit of controversy surrounding student elections at a San Francisco middle school after the results were immediately withheld by the principal because they weren’t diverse enough.

    The incident happened at Everett Middle School in San Francisco’s Mission District. The voting was held Oct. 10, but the principal sent an email to parents on Oct. 14 saying the results would not be released because the candidates that were elected as a whole do not represents the diversity that exists at the school….

    According to Principal Lena Van Haren, Everett Middle School has a diverse student body. She said 80 percent of students are students of color and 20 percent are white, but the election results did not represent the entire study body.

    “That is concerning to me because as principal I want to make sure all voices are heard from all backgrounds,” Van Haren said….

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/19/middle-school-election-results-temporarily-withheld-because-the-winners-arent-diverse-enough/

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  144. Tarnished says:

    Re: the wall

    One part about the analogy of “hitting the wall” that is confusing is the fact it sounds as though one morning a woman of X age (typically quoted as 25 or 30 in the ‘sphere) wakes up and she’s suddenly unattractive to 99% of the opposite sex. It just sounds weird, because baring a horrible accident that maimes ones body, aging for both sexes is a slow and gradual process. Look at Leonard Nimoy when he was 30 vs when he passed away. Such a difference after he hit the wall around age 45-50, but it didn’t happen overnight.

    Maybe it’s just like Spawny said…it doesn’t have to be “warp speed”, doesn’t have to be a dam, and it’s not entirely based on a single age but rather lifestyle, health, and other individual factors.

    I do believe that living the party life makes one age faster, as well as having a crappy diet, doing recreational drugs/alcohol, and definitely smoking. Putting more environmental stressors on one’s body than is necessary or normal doesn’t end well for either sex. Look at celebrities who’ve done so…*shudder*

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  145. Liz says:

    “According to Principal Lena Van Haren, Everett Middle School has a diverse student body. She said 80 percent of students are students of color and 20 percent are white, but the election results did not represent the entire study body.

    “That is concerning to me because as principal I want to make sure all voices are heard from all backgrounds,” Van Haren said….”

    So, I must assume the results weren’t white enough? They’re the minorities at that school by far, by the sound of things.

    The USAF just tacked on the requirement for the diversity awareness campaign, fwiw. The campaign requires each base to have a representative and each quarter they need to submit an overview of what they are specifically doing to promote diversity under their purview. Not only is this retarded beyond all comprehension but they’re cutting positions/jobs left and right. This is just some extra work they’re requiring while cutting jobs. I guess the next four or five submissions for “promoting diversity” could be a “cut whitey’s job this quarter” “cut another whitey’s job next quarter” and so forth. There is nothing but the darkest of dark humor here (pun intended).

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  146. Liz says:

    “I do believe that living the party life makes one age faster, as well as having a crappy diet, doing recreational drugs/alcohol, and definitely smoking. Putting more environmental stressors on one’s body than is necessary or normal doesn’t end well for either sex. Look at celebrities who’ve done so…*shudder*”

    Yes, one thing that keeps me away from any plastic surgery or botox (except I did get one shot a couple of years back) is the look of the celebrities. They have all the money in the world to buy the very best, and the ones who do the most look the worst.

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  147. Liz says:

    Exhibit A, Emmanuelle Béart.
    This woman was so beautiful until plastic surgery ruined her mouth. I see this look on a lot of women around where I live too. They start to plump up their lips because they don’t like the lines and when they deflate and the lines are worse so they have to keep plumping and eventually they go further and totally ruin their mouths. Happens with botox too…their foreheads sag and they get asymmetry in their faces.

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  148. Liz says:

    A picture of her the previous year before the horrible mouthjob.

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  149. Liz says:

    Asymmetry above, not a symmetry. Typo dat.

    [SG – fixed it]

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  150. thedeti says:

    Something I have noticed, much along the same lines as BV.

    I have not been to NYC, and have not enough experience with DC or LA as an adult to know. I just don’t get to the coasts enough to know. I have been to most major Midwestern metros, and I see much the same thing among both women and men as BV notices among people in NYC.

    I’ve been to DFW, Houston, Chicago and its endless suburbs and exurbs, Denver, Memphis, Indianapolis and the Twin Cities. These things are true also among the lesser known metros in the Midwest (Cincinnati, Des Moines, Omaha, Ann Arbor, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Sioux City, Cedar Rapids, Birmingham, etc.), but to a lesser extent. Business frequently takes me to these places.

    The women take much better care of themselves for the most part. They’re not necessarily taller, but they’re thinner and in better physical shape. They run, they cycle, they spin (those fast stationary bikes where you ride as fast as you can), they Pilates, they do yoga. They are keenly attuned to their physical appearances and know exactly what the currency of their beauty gets them. This is in large part because, while there are beautiful women here, there are just as many plain women and ugly women as there are the pretty ones.

    Women here are plain spoken and direct. They are very sexually forward when they want sex, but very sexually reticent and resigning when they don’t. (Watch what they do, don’t listen to what they say.) These women don’t wear $5000 worth of clothing; but they do dress and act in the “Real Housewives of….” style: revealing clothing, snug fitting, figure-accentuating clothes, impeccable makeup following a professional consult, hair immaculately done. And nails. They all have professional manis and pedis, all the time. They are status conscious and appearance savvy. They drink margaritas and white wine; occasionally stooping to craft beers.

    About half are divorced. These women are still attractive in their late 30s to early 50s and can still attract the attention of men around here. A divorced woman I’ve just described, perhaps 45, but in good shape following 2 hours of pilates and spinning every day, will be easily able to attract the most attractive men in her area for sex; and can still get a line of suitors willing to offer her remarriage. There is no shortage of white knights with book, with six figure incomes willing to offer marriage to one of these Dance Moms/Real Housewives.

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  151. Spawny Get says:


    it’s called a ‘trout pout’ over here…same over there?

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  152. Liz says:

    Ugh, That poor woman. I’ve never heard trout pout, Swithy. That’s a new one for me 🙂
    I’ve only heard the term “duck face”.

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  153. Spawny Get says:

    Ashley…or, rather, Leslie Ash actually appears in the first entry here

    A list of ten American crimes against British Anglosphere TV

    #3 and #1 were your worst crimes.

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  154. Yoda says:

    Oppressed they are,

    Feminism can only exist in countries where women can be smart enough to understand the concept of oppression; Yet stupid and coddled enough to believe that such words describe the country that they live in. In fact a country has to care about women period for feminism to even be a thing. You have to register as respectable human beings deserving of mercy, for a government to even care that you are walking around with signs and chanting.
    If men really dehumanized women in the way that you feminists suggest, men would not treat you with such kindness. If you were actually oppressed in the way you describe, men would have no problem at all, gunning down your slut walk. They would not share their lives and homes with you. Instead you’d be lucky and happy to enjoy a life being chained up as a breeding vessel in some guy’s basement. On a good day he’d dump some table scraps into a dog dish for you and you’d look at him like a god.
    Feminists act as though men treat them like slaves or objects that they are entitled to. You don’t negotiate with slaves. Men don’t have to talk objects into sleeping with them. If you think that a guy being super nice to you, buying you stuff, and then performing oral sex on you is slavery, then it’s time you cracked open a history textbook. Because I don’t think that you understand these things.

    https://medium.com/tag/patriarchy

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  155. Liz says:

    I hadn’t heard of most of those shows, Swithy (except Coupling, and the Inbetweeners).
    The only ‘Payne’ I’ve heard of was Major Payne, the movie. 😛

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  156. Spawny Get says:

    Now ‘Coupling’, the UK version. is one of my absolute favourite series ever. The four series must be peanuts in the US, I truly recommend it. Series four was hit badly by ‘Jeffrey’ leaving, but is was still funny.

    As it said in the clip, the writer (Moffat) went on to write Sherlock and Doctor Who

    It should only take a few episodes of series one to be hooked. Maybe the leap into this clip is too abrupt, but here’s Jeffrey the socially maladapted, utterly shy about women, attempting to pull

    My favourite episode

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  157. Spawny Get says:

    Watching that episode…I have to think that the show absolutely nails the craziness of women (as well as the men)

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  158. I know some ladies like Deti describes. I often wonder how much it costs per month to maintain all that? Like Liz says it’s easily overdone and then just looks fake and somewhat pathetic rather than attractive. I get a mani/pedi here and there, have a few highlights in my hair every 6 months, but otherwise I prefer a natural/low key look and can be ready start to finish in 23 or 30 minutes. I think a lot of it is demeanor, being friendly and happy and genuinely interested in people goes a long way. An elderly woman I know who helps me w my biz accuses me of having some kind of crazy pheromones! I don’t get it myself but it seems to be working!

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  159. Yoda says:

    Perhaps picture of Nancy Pelosi one should post as poster girl for “face treatment”

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  160. Spawny Get says:

    Have you seen this guy? Lot of good material

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  161. Liz says:

    Lol That first video made me laugh out loud Swithy. I’ll watch the episode later when I have time. Thanks for the link! 🙂

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  162. Spawny Get says:

    That episode is…perfect. I really recommend it.

    Meanwhile, what happens when English accents go hideously wrong.

    hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously hideously wrong.

    Laci Green needs to acknowledge a new master of the strident shrieking harridan role.

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  163. Spawny Get says:

    BTW it might work for Mike too. Maybe even the boys. It’s that good, the nailing of the idiosyncrasies of both sexes.

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  164. BuenaVista says:

    The Wall arrives as Hemingway describes the arrival of bankruptcy (Sun Also Rises): “slowly, then all at once.”

    Exercise, diet habits, and sleep habits are extremely significant in keeping the process on ‘slowly’ instead of ‘all at once.’. They’re all body capital you’re banking. It’s astonishing how rapidly one’s body falls apart as one reaches maturity, if one gets off the diet/exercise train.

    I’m not just talking about and or biceps. A man in love is realistic about that stuff. But we spend a lot more time examining your face in profile. Double chins, jowls, scaly and fibrous neck? I don’t do double chins well.

    Also, skinny fat is not your friend.

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  165. BuenaVista says:

    My experience, too, is that women know when The Wall’s been breached.

    This is evidenced when they see you after six months or a year. If you (dude) haven’t declined in parallel, or improved, but she has fallen apart, they realize it in an instant.

    This happened to me twice recently. One, who flew out from DC and met me in Des Moines, looked 10 years older. Her hands shook and her voice quavered when she arrived at the hotel bar to greet me. The other, injured, blurted out after chardonnay #2, “you look so good! … I’m a toad.”. Both were 8s or 9s when I met them.

    It happens to all of us.

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  166. BuenaVista says:

    RPG, it costs less to care for oneself than it does to live like other people. Long-term, its sick how much cheaper.

    Its just another lifestyle choice, such as reading all night instead of staring at screens or TV.

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  167. Tarnished says:

    I had a recent experience with this as well. One of the high school jocks, a football player, who used to bully me mercilessly tried to “Friend” me on Facebook 2 weeks ago for some inexplicable reason. I took a quick look at his profile before declining the request…holy crap, did he look bad. All the muscle he used to have at 17-18 is now utter flab. He’s sporting jowls, and his teeth all are incredibly yellow in every picture. He looks 50+, not 30.

    Oh, how the “mighty” have fallen. 😈

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  168. Sumo says:

    Oh, how the “mighty” have fallen.

    I’m doing quite well, thank you very much.

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  169. SFC Ton says:

    Can men tell Bloom is a good mom, moral etc by looking at her?

    Nope, but she passes the boner test with ease and people ascribe all sorts of positive traits to good looking people.

    Which is not to say she isn’t Sunshine and rainbows. Just how it works

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  170. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn, you’re off the invite list for my next birthday

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  171. Sumo says:

    The bicentennial? That’s a little harsh, don’t you think?

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  172. Yoda says:

    Can men tell Bloom is a good mom, moral etc by looking at her?

    Probably not true this would be.
    But from her posts and comments these attributes one can surmise.

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  173. Yoda says:

    I have to wonder if anyone has ever considered the cost of enabling all this hypergamy. Even a back of the envelope calculation would have to run into very large numbers.

    Costs they know.
    Work hard to ignore they do.

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  174. Mrs. Yoda says:

    Which is not to say she isn’t Sunshine and rainbows.

    Like this I do.
    Helps bring a change to the Degoban environment it does.

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  175. Tarnished says:

    But am I still invited to this one, Spawny? 😉
    What have I done to offend our patriarch?

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  176. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About “The Wall”, Captain Capitalism made an observtion, as long as shge has something some man wants, her ego will be stroked. This ould be why “retail therapy” is so popular.

    Plastic surgury was developed during WWII to enable burn victims to rejoin society. It’s perverted that it has morphed into cosmetic surgury for the wealthy.

    Could it be that Bloom puts out “Teddy Bear” vibes? No one can say an unkind thing about Teddy Bears.

    Mrs. Yoda,
    If Yoda finds reasons to work outside while you play that, I would suggest playing something else.

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  177. Liz says:

    That episode was great, Swithy! LOL 😀

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  178. Spawny Get says:

    Told you!

    Got to love Jeffrey.

    Time to watch the series…

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  179. Liz says:

    “This happened to me twice recently. One, who flew out from DC and met me in Des Moines, looked 10 years older.”
    Mrs Smith?

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  180. Spawny Get says:

    The episode from which the clip came ends with a fantastic jape too.

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  181. Mrs. Yoda says:

    A new post there is

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  182. BuenaVista says:

    Nah, Liz. Mrs Smith is rocking into her 40s. But she cooks her own meals and knows what goblet squats are. I attribute it to all the time downrange, ogling the operators. Too bad about her brain being broken.

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