How Much Hypergamy?


Commenter Ton recently stated on the Hypergamic Combat thread,

I’ll school y’all up later but hypergamy drove civilization

Men build etc to get the best ass possible because women get wet over the best men.

Let us consider this concept.  Hypergamy drives women very strongly to try to find what is perceived as the best man.  Men (modern and in times past) do/did understand that women seek this (though perhaps not the ruthlessness of it).  And men tried to better themselves due to it.   So far, so good.

Men are working in many ways to improve their standing by collecting resources, building skills, improving their status, etc.  These activities are mostly good for civilization as a whole.  And men had the expectation that they would find a women more or less equal to their overall standing.  This has a measure of fairness about it, and it captures men’s drive for a good purpose (at least some of the time).

Now consider the situation of the unrestrained hypergamy of today.  Women are totally compelled to go for what they perceive to be the top men.  It is aided by taxes and laws; and furthermore encouraged by women as a whole.  Men who are not considered to be top men lose out.  Other men see this, and lose their drive.  Civilization suffers.

So hypergamy does have a role in building civilization, but unrestrained hypergamy is toxic to civilization.  Hypergamy is one of those things that should be done in moderation.

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88 comments on “How Much Hypergamy?
  1. Tarnished says:

    Hypergamy drives women very strongly to try to find what is perceived as the best man.

    What defines a “best man” individualistic it is?

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  2. Yoda says:

    What defines a “best man” individualistic it is?

    Indeed it would be.
    Seems that green you do like

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  3. Yoda says:

    Attracted to this Tarn is?

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  4. Spawny Get says:

    Can he do a Bristolian accent?

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  5. Spawny Get says:

    Farmer or pirate, ehh moi loverrr?

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  6. Yoda says:

    With many accents speak I can
    But always use Yodish syntax I do

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  7. Spawny Get says:

    Ooh arr ooh arr ayy

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Internet dating has done a lot to take the brakes off hypergamy. Before, choice was limited to those you would meet in life, making the dating pool limited. Internet dating makes the dating pool unkimited.
    I the latter part of the post, our writer touches on men seeing the situation and getting discouraged. I think this is happening but it hasn’t impacted the marketplace fully yet. When it does, it should be profound.

    Yoda,
    It may not be your appearance as much as your reputation for tasty green veggie soup.

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  9. Spawny Get says:

    It’s taken the brakes off hypergamy, but they ran smack into choice addiction

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  10. Tarnished says:

    There’s probably numerous fanfics and cosplay outfits involving a Bristol-esque Yoda. I’m afraid to look though…

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  11. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Off topic, COTWA weighs in on Salon’s opinion of the Oregon shootings. The last line is without precedent for them. It’s past time to stop allowing all the blanket assertions defaming men.

    http://www.cotwa.info/2015/10/salon-blames-oregon-shooting-on.html

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  12. Spawny Get says:

    “tasty green veggie soup”

    That’s a private matter between Mr Yoda, Mrs Yoda and the Degobah Sperm Bank.

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  13. Tarnished says:

    Apparently Yoda is even more popular if we look at medieval texts…

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  14. Tarnished says:

    Seems that green you do like

    Sure, but my favorite color is blue…

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  15. Tarnished says:

    I think this is happening but it hasn’t impacted the marketplace fully yet.

    What is currently preventing it from affecting the entirety? Will these barriers ever fully be gone?

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  16. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I think the marketplace is being affected at the periphery but, it hasn’t sunk in to women under thirty five yet.

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    When I said “tasty green veggie soup” that is exactly what I meant. While my mind seems to swell on food…

    Tarn,
    I love the medieval Yoda. Do you think that he posed? He is, after all, old enough for it to be chronologically possible.

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  18. Tarnished says:

    While my mind seems to swell on food…

    Geez, Fuzzie, you can’t just lob them over the plate like that! I’m currently biting my tongue to not give an inappropriate retort…

    I love the medieval Yoda. Do you think that he posed?

    Not sure. According to the source, this is an illustration included in a story about King Solomon. I don’t think Yoda would be unfaithful to Mrs. Yoda to the extent said ruler was, so it must be someone else of Yoda’s species.

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    Sorry. My mind dwells on food, not swells.

    Thsi is an interesting development about Yoda. George Lucas has given very little away about his orogins.

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  20. molly says:

    Fuzzie Feast.

    I have to go. Busy busy busy!

    Enjoy F. Dubya Bear

    ‘bye 🙂

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thank you, Molly!!
    While it could be the virtual food, there is something about you that tames the beast in me.

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  22. Yoda says:

    While my mind seems to swell on food

    Believe this for a Bear I could.

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  23. Yoda says:

    Bears deposit shittles in the woods also they do.

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I think we may have a new word. Once skittles are eaten, they turn into something else-shittles.

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  25. Yoda says:

    What the correct amount of hypergamy would be?

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  26. Tarnished says:

    What the correct amount of hypergamy would be?

    Enough to have women seek out very good spouses, but not so much that the laws make it easy to hop from spouse to spouse.

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    The correct amount of hypergamy would allow for the return to assortive mating.

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  28. Yoda says:

    How to regulate hypergamy in the modern day wonders one does…

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  29. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I don’t think that the laws were put in place to facilitate monkey branching but, it does seem to be working out that way. I think the laws were put in place to allow truly abused spouses a way out.

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  30. Tarnished says:

    Absolutely, Fuzzie. I apologize if I made it sound otherwise.

    I’m very thankful for that aspect of them myself. Nobody should ever have to live with an abusive spouse/parent, and it is good and necessary that we have laws to prevent this from being the only option.

    However, just like some of the trans issues we talk about, the core values have been hijacked by extremists.

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  31. Yoda says:

    Women like short men not

    http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/10/05/watch-nyu-prof-fight-climate-change-with-hormone-treatments-on-small-children-closes-the-growth-plates/

    Interviewed on the Sunrise Weekend morning show, NYU Professor Matthew Liao promotes hormone treatments on children ‘when their small’ to close their ‘growth plates’ and thus stunt child growth. Professor Liao says this helps fight climate change since ‘larger people consume more energy than smaller people.’

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  32. Tarnished says:

    Define “short” though…

    I’m 5’7″. Is a male who shares my height short? To me he wouldn’t be, since I don’t consider myself a short person.

    Is a male who is 2 or 3 inches shorter than me “short”? He’s shorter, certainly, but even 5’5″ is pretty average all around. Up to a point, this seems to be yet another “eye of the beholder” thing.

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  33. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    It’s not you, it’s the Law of Uninteded Consequences. Abuse of the law by monkey branchers has to exceed the legitimate by a large factor.

    Yoda,
    What a terrible and, may I say, mad professor. He should be locked in a cell and made to listen to Randy Newnman on an endless loop for a few days.

    When he wrote the song, he had no idea that it would be so ill recieved.

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  34. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I think the average is 5’10” and 5’6″ for men and women, respectively. Height is a big issue for men in dating. Even 5’2″ girls are demanding 6’0″ men. It’s nutso.

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  35. Tarnished says:

    That *is* crazy, Fuzzie.

    I’ve said before that one of the few things that is…less than optimal…about my love is his height of 6’2″. Obviously such a trait is beyond his control, but once in a while he’ll admit to wishing he was just a bit shorter. I agree with him during these times, as it’s frustrating to not be able to look him in the eye when walking, and unless he’s sitting I can’t sneak a kiss or whisper in his ear or massage his shoulders. Such activities, and a few others, would be so much easier if he was around my height!

    However, perhaps this isn’t an issue for women who want a much taller partner? Maybe the very traits that subtly annoy me are actually *desired* by others for the exact same reasons?

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    From what I have read, demand from women for tall men is beyond reason. Growing up, I understood that a four inch difference would be ideal. Now that is completely out the window. The problem is that ii is a disqualifier. Only fifteen percent of men are six foot or taller.

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  37. Liz says:

    “I agree with him during these times, as it’s frustrating to not be able to look him in the eye when walking, and unless he’s sitting I can’t sneak a kiss or whisper in his ear or massage his shoulders. Such activities, and a few others, would be so much easier if he was around my height!”

    *cough* Or you could wear heels. *cough*
    😉

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  38. Liz says:

    Or, as I call them…my “cheaters”.
    Mike is 6’3”.

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  39. SFC Ton says:

    Extending “rights” to women, trans etc is fucking stupid and destroys cultures, civilizations and people as the recent historical record shows.

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  40. SFC Ton says:

    Also those various “rights” groups are not over taken by extremists

    They are founded by extremists in the 1st place, who keep things low key and slowly revival how extreme they are as the gain acceptance

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  41. SFC Ton says:

    Combine this robot with the one that makes sandwiches and sex bots and the value of women will plummet

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11922590/Worlds-first-laundry-folding-robot-unveiled-in-Japan.html

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  42. Tarnished says:

    *cough* Or you could wear heels. *cough* 😉

    Well, that would certainly provide endless hours of entertainment, at least…Attempting to strut around on heels and looking like a inner ear challenged stork? It might be worth it just for the laughs. 😛

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  43. Tarnished says:

    How tall are you, Liz?

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  44. Liz says:

    This is why Mike calls me Fry (for small fry). But people (in real life) usually think I’m taller because I’m thin and wear cheaters. And vertical stripes.
    Just kidding about the last. 🙂

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  45. Spawny Get says:

    ‘Cheaters’? I think they’re called stilts over here.

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  46. Spawny Get says:

    Maybe you meant a pogo stick?

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  47. SFC Ton says:

    Hilary should win. It would be a good visual reminder of the stupidly that destroyed a nation and people

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  48. Yoda says:

    5′ 6”

    A tall cat you are.
    Challenge Spawny you could

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  49. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    Vertical stripes would help.

    I thought about linking a music video with Bob Seger’s “Her Strut” and featuring Victoria Secret models but, Bloom would hunt me down to throw dishes at me.

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  50. Tarnished says:

    I always feel sorry for VS models. They look like a strong breeze would blow them over. Probably due to their diet of a single strawberry a week… 😛 😉

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  51. Spawny Get says:

    Challenge me? Me? With a neon green mane having been topiaried?

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  52. Tarnished says:

    True, it wouldn’t be much of a challenge. The amphibious kitty would win paws down…

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  53. Spawny Get says:

    Regards Prez-Cand Cankles’ replacement.

    Could people be expected to vote for Biden?

    The guy so fucking dumb that he recommended that on hearing suspicious sounds outside…you unlock your door, go outside with your shotgun and promptly unload it into the air. Genius.

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  54. Spawny Get says:

    ‘she’ sure is cute though.

    Spawny is considering getting kittens. But he is somewhat allergic.

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  55. Spawny Get says:

    Not reaching every voter? Here’s how you ensure that they all know that you’re extracting the proverbial*
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/10/germany-flirts-with-solidarity-tax-to-help-pay-for-eu-redistribution-funding-of-migrants/

    *taking the piss / taking the mickey / bending them over and…

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  56. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    No, I would not like Joe Biden. He authored VAWA.
    I don’t know who it will go to but it has to go to someone seen as unitive.

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  57. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I remember watching “The Devil Wears Prada”. At one point, the publisher exclaims that there are no size 2 girl paratroopers. I gues jumping out of airplanes with 150 lbs. of equipment isn’t for skinny girls.
    To aadd to that, I miss Frederique van der Wal.

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  58. Tarnished says:

    I guess jumping out of airplanes with 150 lbs. of equipment isn’t for skinny girls.

    Lol, no probably not, unless they are skinny *and* solid muscle. Not that there’s anything wrong with skinny or willowy gals! Some can be quite sexy. I’m just not that type, nor is it my preferred one on women.

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  59. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    Girls do come in all shapes and sizes. That is what is keeping tailors in business. It is silly to try to display lingerie on very thin women.

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  60. Tarnished says:

    Truth. Obviously some women are mannequin sized…I mean, one of my sisters is 5’2″ and a size 1, no hips or breasts on her whatsoever. But the majority are not, so it’d probably be better if they used an average sized mannequin once in a while, too.

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  61. @ fuzzie I wouldn’t throw dishes at you! 🙂 For the record. Or at least, not today. Two or do weeks from now when hormones surge, well… No promises! Lol.

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  62. Tarnished says:

    Of course, guys have so many different types too. And most of them are just as nice to behold, though not talked about or appreciated nearly enough.

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  63. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    Hearing that reminded me that I don’t see waists any more.
    As for what amkes a girl’s eyes light up, if there is enough differentiation in taste, this could be a good thing. Not all men can have a Bristol accent.

    Bloom,
    I wouldn’t want to do anything that would provoke you. It’s not that I am afraid, it’s that your approval counts.

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  64. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,
    What do you mean regarding “not seeing waists anymore”? Is this referring to the clothing choices of women in your area, or something else?

    Not all men can have a Bristol accent.

    Lol. This is probably for the best. If everyone had it, it would not be special. Perhaps unsurprisingly, my love also melts hearing British accents from that area, though he also likes the very proper (London?) accent too.

    if there is enough differentiation in taste…

    Ah, but although some of us are outliers, it seems most women (or maybe only the online-dating crew) do not find the average male attractive. It was just a single study, but the data from the OKcupid report isn’t kind to men in general. 😦

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  65. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    Maybe it’s just me. I just don’t see people with waists any more.

    Your last comment jogged something in my memory about a post that The Private Man wrote to a woman. It all boiled down to to looking for positives. Could it be that modern women are too concentrated in looking for negatives?

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  66. Spawny Get says:

    ‘the very proper (London?) accent’
    Very proper would be RP – Received Pronunciation (old ‘BBC’ speech). Extreme cases sound like the guy has just unwittingly sat on a well lubed butt-plug.

    ‘London?’ (noting ‘?’)
    Probably more South East, rather than London. Which is me & mine.
    Bath (the city and the thing next to the bog) is pronounced ‘barth’
    Scone (for eating with clotted cream and jam) is ‘skoen’ not ‘skonn’

    I visited Savannah (Ga) when I were younger. A woman in the shop said, “I looove your accent! Keep talking, I don’t care what you say”. She was 30 years older than me…sux

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  67. SFC Ton says:

    150 pounds? The few times I was weighed pre jump or for a combat patrol we carried closer to 170 pounds, then the parachute weighs. … damn like 35 pounds. I cannot remember and I was a Jump Master for a long time.

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  68. Tarnished says:

    Spawny,
    Yeah that’s the accent! I like it too, but not to the same degree as he.
    A woman in the shop said, “I looove your accent! Keep talking, I don’t care what you say”
    Yup. Could pretty much read from a phonebook, it’d still cause tingles…ear tingles, that is. Triggers my ASMR something awful wonderful. 🙂

    Fuzzie,
    Could it be that modern women are too concentrated in looking for negatives?

    Oh, I adore Private Man. Most of his advice isn’t for people like me (under 40, never married/divorced) but some is gold if/when I ever decide to date.

    I don’t know if they’re looking for all-out “negatives” so much as “reasons to disqualify”…a subtle difference. A “reason to disqualify” would be something like what you read on dating profiles: if you’re not over 6 foot, don’t bother or those who are unemployed/make less than X need not apply. Even saw a gal who had a note in her profile about hating freckles, of all things.

    Dating sites are strange to me, for 1 big reason.
    Many profiles read like a shopping list for a mate rather than a real description of oneself. A lot are filled with stupid copy-paste catchphrases, overused lines, and other nonsensical crap that eat up wordspace but do nothing to give significant information about the writer. The purpose of these sites isn’t supposed to be for one to throw out a word salad of things one wants and see how many people they stick to…you’re meant to have a profile stating traits about *yourself* and informing the reader why you are a good catch, with only a few lines regarding what you are expecting from a potential mate. Yet the overwhelming majority of female and male profiles don’t do this. Madness.

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  69. Liz says:

    “Lol, no probably not, unless they are skinny *and* solid muscle.”

    Even a bulky muscular chick couldn’t do it over the long haul, Tarn. That type of stuff is very hard on even men’s bodies, and women’s bones and joints are nowhere near as tough, no matter how hard they train. A female athlete is 8 to 10 times more likely to sustain an injury than a male doing the same sport. Think about what that means for something like jumping from an airplane with a lot of very very heavy kit. They might be able to do it a few times, but even the very very few who can will get injured far earlier and more frequently than a man. That doesn’t even touch the topic of combat zone conditions, the very thing they’re (ostensibly) training to do. Gianormous waste of taxpayer money, all for no reason other than a feminist agenda driven social experiment. Wish it was the only example, or the worst…but of course there are a million more.

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  70. Liz says:

    Sometimes I have the conversation of women in combat in real life with women, and they’re very “you go girl combat person!” and pro “GI Jane, if she can do it!” As though the challenge stops at the end of training and if she passed, she can do it!
    Funny thing is, I’m in better shape than just about any woman I know, or have ever met. The military women are whales in general.

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  71. SFC Ton says:

    I think dating profiles are interesting windows into people thinking. I doubt any other collection of words let’s you know who fucked up someone is, fucked up in the head, how many bad decisions they have made in their romantic life, what they actually value vs what they are supposed to value etc etc

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  72. Spawny Get says:

    “Could pretty much read from a phonebook, it’d still cause tingles…ear tingles”

    Hmm…a new business opportunity? You guys can buy gadgets and boy-toy accessories (depending on state) much cheaper than I can…we should talk

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  73. Spawny Get says:

    I watched the GI Jane movie, horse-shit that it was, it was very telling that ‘she’ did not kill anyone in the ‘war’ scene. I’m sure that a lot of analysis went into the script as to whether she should be shown doing that. It seems that they decided that the audience wasn’t ready for it.

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  74. Liz says:

    Ton beat you to it above, Sumo. 🙂

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  75. Yoda says:

    I visited Savannah (Ga) when I were younger. A woman in the shop said, “I looove your accent! Keep talking, I don’t care what you say”.

    Perhaps distinguished looking mane the key it was.

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  76. Spawny Get says:

    It was a different colour in those days, mustardmit

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  77. Yoda says:

    Much unhappiness there is.

    “Hillary’s been having screaming, child-like tantrums that have left staff members in tears and unable to work,” says a campaign aide. “She thought the nomination was hers for the asking, but her mounting problems have been getting to her and she’s become shrill and, at times, even violent.”

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/10/11/hillary-meltdown-close-childlike-tantrums-that-leave-staff-in-tears/

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  78. Sumo says:

    I quoted Ton’s post, Lizard. Pay attention. 😛

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  79. Yoda says:

    I’m in better shape than just about any woman I know

    A 5’6″ in shape cat very much challenge Patriarch she could

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  80. Liz says:

    Lol Oops….sorry Sumo. 😛

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  81. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    If true, it might be well to see a demonstration of this in public, in front of cameras.

    Tarn,
    I don’t read profiles any more. It just makes me ill.

    Liz,
    Yoda never mentioned the natural advantage of the froggie helmet.

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  82. SFC Ton says:

    I’d be an empire man or separatist. Government sucks, ineffective multicultural government even more so.

    An effective empire is an effective empire and most last because people are doing well enough and it’s stable

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  83. Yoda says:

    Yoda never mentioned the natural advantage of the froggie helmet.

    Indeed
    Green it would be.

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