FOREVER NEEDING A NEW MAN


The instinct in women is to seek a new mate. Feminism encourages this instinct. There’s some evidence that with validation and given the opportunity, she would prefer a new mate for each and every sexual encounter. The behavior of modern women certainly seems to bear this out. Men can’t help noticing it, and wondering if promiscuity might be the real nature of women.

Time and again, we see women fall headlong into the hots for a new bloke, only to tire of him a short time later. Extravagant weddings, protestations of unconditional love, heartfelt besottedness – none of it makes a whit of difference in the end. As sure as the sun sets in the West, she will go cold on her erstwhile soulmate.

Sometimes, rarely, we will see a woman staying true to her man. A small percentage of women are high-quality human beings. They are constant as a matter of good character. I know this from personal experience.

More often, though, the constancy to be seen in some women has nothing to do with good character. They are constant to Tingles and Provisioning rather than to men. But although Tingles and Provisioning are essential, they won’t be enough. There will also need to be an absence of HOE (Hypergamy Opportunity. The “E” is just there, like the “S” in “Harry S Truman” heh):

Woman’s constancy = Tingles + Provisioning + AoHOE (Absence of HOE)

If Tingler #2 comes on the scene, she will prefer his tingles to those of Tingler #1, not because they are in fact superior, but because they are new. If Tingler #2 has provisioning to offer as well, she won’t want to stop at having an affair. She will want to trade Tingler #1 in for Tingler #2 there and then.

If Tingler #2 can’t offer provisioning, she will still break the relationship with Tingler #1. The break need not take the form of separation or divorce. It might be a mere closing of her legs, signifying the death of passion and he is no longer welcome.

So, the best that most women can offer is deep and sincere commitment until the next HOE comes along. The average on offer, though, falls far short of best, and she doesn’t wait for HOE. She closes her legs anyway, for no better reason than he’s not new. She shit tests and ridicules him at home and in public, derides him behind his back. She is a HOE just waiting to happen. (Puts a new slant on “Pimpin ma HOE”, dunnit?)

WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS?

  1. Restore the balance of power (won’t happen in a democracy)
  2. Remove man’s dependence on women for sex (replace her with artificial sex).
  3. Make do with the NAWALTs (not enough of them).
  4. Women decide to override their instincts (yeah, and the sun rises in the West).
  5. Let Western Civilisation go to hell in a handbasket, like this bloke:
    Marty (a woman who says she’s nearing the end of her life) asks a MGHOW: “Agreed, Jim. So what’s your plan? You’re not going to change society and decades of programming. What are you going to do to make your *own* life fulfilling and joyful?”
    His response: “My plan? Simple. Sit back, relax, crack open a bottle of wine and enjoy the slide. I can’rt stop the house from burning, so I might as well enjoy the show!”

 

LINKS:

Women will be sexually attracted more to other men than to their Significant Others:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/love-sex/9840806/Women-want-as-much-sex-as-men :
“women actually lose interest in their long-term partners quicker than men do… and get much more turned on by strangers than known lovers.”

A Guardian review of Daniel Bergner’s book “What Do Women Want? Adventures in the Science of Female Desire”
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/jul/11/what-do-women-want-review

The more a woman practices her biological inclinations pre-marriage (the higher her N) the less dependable is her commitment to a relationship http://socialpathology.blogspot.co.nz/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html
“As soon as a woman has had more than one partner her long term marital stability risk drops to near 50%. Woman who’s had 16-20 sexual partners has a 17.8% stable marriage rate”

In any case, she’s wired against long-term monogamy. She is wired to serial monogamy or to cheat. (Evolutionary Biology:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/once-more-feeling/201306/female-sexual-desire-evolutionary-biology-perspective/ )

As soon as a man invests in more than casual sex with a woman, he is consigning himself to inferior sex status. The sex she enjoys most is with men who invest less.
“I knew [my best sex partner] was temporary, and so the great sex was the best because the sex was the relationship,” she adds. “We didn’t have to invest in anything else”:
https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/2015/07/26/half-of-women-marry-the-best-sex-of-their-lives/

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184 comments on “FOREVER NEEDING A NEW MAN
  1. molly says:

    “Remove man’s dependence on women for sex (replace her with artificial sex)”

    O no! The cops will give me speeding tickets! 😉

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  2. Tarnished says:

    Hi, Cill! Hope all is well in your corner of the world.

    2. Remove man’s dependence on women for sex (replace her with artifical sex).

    Given the rate of technology this is the most likely to occur, imo. VR hemets, biofeedback machines, sex dolls/Real Dolls, not-quite-AI androids, erotic videogames, and even just very awesomely rendered porn are all either already here or are being created as we speak. I sometimes wonder if our species won’t die out because of wars or nuclear fallout or disease, but because of an increase in “technosexuality”. Maybe so many will enjoy the companionship of androids that the birth rate won’t suffice to keep us going? It’s worth thinking about, especially if one then considers what might happen if artificial wombs are made alongside these “persocoms”. (5 cake icons to whoever knows what manga this is from… 😉).

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    Happy to see you! 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄
    Cill’s post has made me sad but, you make me happy.

    Cill,
    Of all the options, the one that Molly objects to is the one that is likely to be effective.

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  4. Farm Boy says:

    The instinct in women is to seek a new mate. Feminism encourages this instinct. There’s some evidence that with validation and given the opportunity, she would prefer a new mate for every mating.

    Dalrock is on to this. He describes it as serial monogamy

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/category/serial-monogamy/

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  5. Cill says:

    Molly, you mean you will be speeding away from artificial sex?

    Tarn, I remember a novel (maybe Logan’s Run?) in which people would go to the “feelies”, a kind of picture theater with all the sensations. There’s an old theater in Rotorua NZ, with cams under the seats, whereby the audience feels the quakes and jolts of the Mt Tarawera explosion showing on the screen. I can imagine a much more sophisticated version in VR, whereby you walk into a cubicle and get the full treatment.

    “5 cake icons to whoever knows what manga this is from”: You’ve got me there. I’m not up with manga.

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  6. It’s true women (and sometimes men, too) fall into this thinking, “new is better” especially before age 40 or so. (Even Roosh is tiring of new.) But the truth is new is just different. Different can be better, or worse. It’s a big crapshoot, but people seem to always think for them, it will be better. After awhile new isn’t “new” anymore. New gets old.

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  7. Or to use an analogy, it’s like gambling, let’s say slot machines. People often win, only to not walk away at that point, but to lose it all thinking the next win will be bigger and better. Except it isn’t. Instead of learning, many end up heading for the casino time after time… Thinking THIS will be the time! Only to walk away empty handed, again, but thinking its still right around the corner…

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  8. Cill says:

    FB “a new mate for every mating” is serial monogamy? Down Under mating means sex. In other parts of the world it can mean relationship. I changed “mating” to “sexual encounter” accordingly.

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  9. molly says:

    No I mean cops all happy on artificial sex will give me tickets for speeding!
    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/women-cant-tolerate-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-36461

    Fuzzie!! Yay! 🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻

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  10. Sumo says:

    “Slot machines”. Is that what we’re calling the sexbots now?

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  11. Tarnished says:

    The “Feelies” were in Brave New World, Cill. Such a weird society…people controlled by pleasure, rather than by protocols like in The Naked Sun, or by fear like in 1984.

    The manga I was referring to is called Chobits. It’s a world very much like ours, but technology has reached a point where computers are now Persocoms…unable to be physically told apart from humans except for their cat-like “ear”ports. It’s a long story, but very worth the read if you’re into robot ethics like I am. Delves into the concept of whether love can be true if the heart it comes from is a mechanical one…

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  12. Cill says:

    Sumo I can’t decide whether to laugh or cry at your comment. An old Pom expression comes to mind:
    “In for a penny, in for a pound”

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    Sexbo9ts or no, you will still be pretty enoough to melt hearts. You may be safe from speeding tickets.

    Bloom,
    You have kids and they neeed consistancy in authority figures. It may not be all the reason you need to stick with one guy ut, it is a good one.

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  14. I chose slot machines on purpose, pun intended!

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  15. I know fuzzie, agreed! I was talking “in general” not how I personally feel. 🙂 I have never thought new was better, I’d much rather just have one!

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  16. Sumo says:

    Laugh, Cill mate. Crying is what the ladies do when they find out I’m leaving.

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  17. Cill says:

    Bloom’s “slot machine”… hmmm.

    I’m sitting here thinking of a Chinese gang operating in the Auckland Casino. They would wait until the jackpot was greater than the cost of feeding a slot machine until it won – usually towards the end of a day. A team of Chinese women would then come in and monopolize all such slot machines and feed them money until they won.

    I’m wondering if and how a similar approach could work in the SMP…

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  18. Cill says:

    I will laugh when you leave, bro, because it gives us other buggars a chance to score.

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  19. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About the SMP, it is definitelt a marketplace but what really throws off conventional market wisdom is that it is NOT dollar denominated. It’s straight barter and that rquires a whole different line of thinking.

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  20. Cill says:

    When I came across the Links I set out at the end of the post, I realized the SMP is doomed.

    #2 “Remove man’s dependence on women for sex (replace her with artificial sex)” is inevitable because women have made it essential for most men.

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  21. molly says:

    “she would prefer a new mate for every sexual encounter”
    Are all women getting like the PPPs?

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    Your thinking is short term. With the current crop of ladies, reducing men’s dependence on them would be advisable. As later women see the error of the current women, I think life will resume.
    Current women are playing a terrible game of chicken and it won’t work.

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  23. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    I think that your PPPs are unique in that respect. My own personal attitude is to come back for more. I am lazy that way.

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  24. molly says:

    “As later women see the error of the current women, I think life will resume.”
    Will men want to, if they replaced her with artificial sex wo drama?

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  25. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    I think that real women will think of something. First, they’ll learn to be good company. Second, they’ll learn to make sandwiches in anticipation of men being hungry. Third, boys like cookies too.
    What has to go away is the presumption of men being worthy of only hate and contempt.

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  26. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    I don’t think a sexbot can hug back.

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  27. molly says:

    Not as well as I can 😉

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  28. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    I don’t know. In your Furby persona, the hug would be psychic.
    I am so silly!

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  29. Yoda says:

    Hug with legs a furby could

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  30. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    While I think that Furbies have feet, they may not have legs. However, she can make sweet “cooing” sounds while hugging.

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  31. molly says:

    Don’t ask me how, I just *hug* lol

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  32. molly says:

    A ‘armless embrace 😀

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  33. Cill says:

    I can ‘ug if I comment on Cill’s compu’er!
    Hehehe!

    (signed.. molly)

    P.S. “compu’er” is pronouncing it the Unca S way. He drops the T’s.
    I be”er go afore Cill ca’ches me on ‘is compu’er
    Lol

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  34. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    Be careful on Cill’s computer. You could cause trouble imitating Cill and getting him in trouble.
    Anyway, here’s a long distance bear hug for you! 🐻

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  35. molly says:

    I hope u sleep well and don’t get heartburn Fuzzie! 😐

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  36. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thank you, Molly! And may the bees bring you and all your family lots of honey!

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  37. SFC Ton says:

    Molly at 618 brings up a point women rarely see

    Will men want them back? Seems to me more men are shifting away from entangling relations with women. More men are gtow, more are running some version of short term pua game, spinning plates etc.

    Right now the majority of men do turn toward women when women hit the wall and turn toward betas but I think that number of men is shrinking. Men are, slowly, becoming aware of the smp shell game of af /bb and how the bb job is a bad deal for men

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  38. Spawny Get says:

    Speaking of a new man, I have been enjoying Trump echoing Farage’s sticking it to the disconnected establishment. That doesn’t mean I think he’d make a great prez (because I have no idea about that), but the public’s reaction to Trump seems to be the same as that to Farage; thank fuck someone…anyone…is willing to actually address the problems. I think he’s your version of Farage (in good ways and bad).

    Speaking of Farage

    LePen is the nationalist leader in France. Doing rather well in the polls

    The butthurt French prez Hollande telling the UK go FOAD (to our utter delight).

    The crabby looking bint sucking lemons next to ollande is of course, Merkel, the German Chancellor. Who publicly opened Germany up to unlimited immigration by anyone claiming to be Syrian. Her position is proving increasingly unpopular at home.

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  39. SFC Ton says:

    Trump is interesting
    It shows how willing people are to fall in line with an Apex Alpha, more so if said apex alpha is touting a mildly nationalist/ populist line. Confirms what I said, many times, on just four guys

    He will make a shot president, being a liberal and yankee but maybe he will be the lest shitty of my lifetime

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  40. Spawny Get says:

    Christopher Hitchen’s brother Peter speaks to the fact that the Conservative (in name only) party is now identical to the Blairite end of the Labour party. The end that is currently taking it up the backside from the extreme lefty Corbynites

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  41. Spawny Get says:

    “It shows how willing people are to fall in line with an Apex Alpha”
    How much Trump is down to Apex Alpha appeal and how much is just out of sheer desperation from the electorate that someone speaks to their concerns? I don’t know. I’m just a damn foreigner. I certainly wouldn’t regard Nigel as an apex alpha, just as someone actually concerned about our country.

    All over the Western world the people are despairing of the useless, incompetent, bought out, spineless manginas and over-promoted, just for having a gyna, squawking, shrill egg-layers. Fuck all these traitors to the people who just want to earn a living and live their lives free of interference.

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  42. Cill says:

    Muslims are responsible for a disproportionate number of rapes and sexual assaults in Europe.
    http://whiteresister.com/index.php/stories/810-muslim-rape-epidemic-sweden-shocked-again-after-woman-raped-to-death-by-somali-immigrant

    Some Norwegian women are dying their blonde hair to a darker color to reduce the risk of rape by Muslims. Politicians such as Merkel keep welcoming the Muslims in. We have “liberals” here in NZ too, who pressure the government to allow more “refugees” in. Fortunately NZ is isolated and surrounded by sea, so there’s no risk of mass invasions here.

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  43. Liz says:

    “How much Trump is down to Apex Alpha appeal and how much is just out of sheer desperation from the electorate that someone speaks to their concerns?”
    I think his appeal is almost entirely based on voter desperation. You’ve summarized it well, Swithy.
    From the Diplomad:
    “One, however, does not need formal polls to know that Donald Trump has had and is having a great and unforeseen impact on American politics. In my little world in a corner of semi-rural California, I increasingly encounter people who, almost ashamed of themselves, say they “like” Trump, and, yes, they could vote for him. They admire his brashness, his, shall we say, talent at political jujitsu. The media and others hit him with their best shots, pointing out his “weaknesses,”and he turns those right around and makes the critics look foolish and out of touch. He has one of the oddest campaigns around–I doubt he has spent much at all–with little to no formal structure, for now, and built almost solely around Trump’s celebrity status and his ability to draw the media’s attention wherever he goes. The sophisticates, including the stale GOP establishment, can seek to label his pronouncements as a new nativism, perhaps try to paint him as a new Huey long, or even as a new Father Coughlin. Sure. Go ahead. It probably won’t work. He has tapped into a great ignored anger and angst among the people who form the base of this nation.”

    Cill, I have to quibble a little with this bit:
    “The instinct in women is to seek a new mate. Feminism encourages this instinct. There’s some evidence that with validation and given the opportunity, she would prefer a new mate for each and every sexual encounter.”

    I really, REALLY doubt the last.
    First, it doesn’t make biological sense…human babies are wimpy, and so are human females and they require more than just a quick lay to capture seed and then fairwell, smell ya later. Second, evidence would indicate the most attractive women (ones with all the options on the table, all the time) have fewer sexual partners.
    It’s feminism coupled with the herd mentality that has caused the current PPP problem. Women will always have the herd mentality, but it was once incentivized to be beneficial to civilization (shaming unbeneficial behaviors rather than providing incentive toward unbeneficial behaviors). What we’re seeing, really, is a slow extension of ghetto values toward normalcy via perverse incentives and celebration.

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  44. Cill says:

    When giving their reasons for not seeking deportation of the Somali who was found by police raping the body of a Swedish woman who had died during the rape, the prosecutor’s office said this:

    “I do not understand why a Somali woman would be worth less than a Swedish woman in this context. He would be as likely to commit crimes there if he was deported.”

    Words fail me.

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  45. Tarnished says:

    My own personal attitude is to come back for more. I am lazy that way.

    Coming back to the same person for sex rather than finding a new partner isn’t always the lazy route, Fuzzie. Sometimes it can be very difficult, frustrating, and saddening. Depending on the circumstances, one might consider ramming their head against a brick wall, as it’d be less painful.

    I don’t think a sexbot can hug back.

    Not yet. It is something they’re working on, though, along with the ability to walk, hold real conversation, and self-awareness.

    There’s some evidence that with validation and given the opportunity, she would prefer a new mate for each and every sexual encounter.

    I think it isn’t for every sexual encounter, but rather for every mating that produces a child. It would explain why so many marriages start to deteriorate during the 4-5 year mark, and would be more in line with what the other 4 Great Apes do. Something like only 3% of the animal kingdom is truly monogamous in a lifetime, and many of those are birds or small mammals. There’s always the possibility that homo sapiens aren’t meant to be included in that 3%, and we’ve only been so due to cultural/social restrictions.

    Not saying it’s correct, I’m neither an anthropologist or biologist. But it’s food for thought at least.

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  46. Yoda says:

    Unicorns meant to monogamous they are?

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  47. Cill says:

    Liz, by “some evidence” I was referring to the Links I gave at the end. For example, from in “Female Sexual Desire: An Evolutionary Biology Perspective” https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/once-more-feeling/201306/female-sexual-desire-evolutionary-biology-perspective (emphasis added):

    “In the few studies that I am aware of that tested both physical and mental responses to visually presented sexual stimuli, heterosexual women’s bodies were physically aroused in response to most varieties, whereas hetereosexual male physical arousal was more reproduction appropriate – women together and heterosexual human intercourse. This would go along with the hypothesis that women’s bodies are primed for high interest in sex due to the evolutionary benefits of having multiple, diverse partners… from an evolutionary perspective, culture gives humans the unique opportunity to take advantage of a different strategy. If you can effectively intervene with cultural rules and expectations and thus control the decision-making process involved in female choice, i.e., control whether desire leads to sex, you essentially get control of reproduction.”

    Unfortunately feminism has “freed” women from cultural rules and expectations and control over whether desire leads to sex. As Dr Roberts says, “because a male raising another male’s child means complete reproductive failure, the evolutionary cost of having a cheating wife is far greater than having a cheating husband. We expect, then, to have much stronger evolutionary pressures for males to prevent female infidelity than for females to prevent male infidelity.” I think feminism forbids the “evolutionary pressures for males to prevent female infidelity”.

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  48. Yoda says:

    FB “a new mate for every mating” is serial monogamy? Down Under mating means sex

    Up above mating more means having a baby it does

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  49. Liz says:

    I’ve heard of that study, Cill, and I disagree with the conclusions in that paragraph. First of all, women weren’t actually AWARE of what physically aroused them, and they were more likely to be physically aroused by watching a couple of baboons going at it than a naked non-erect hunk (this image aroused them less than baboons…in fact, not at all).

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  50. Cill says:

    Liz, Tarn, Yoda:
    Rather than “culture” (feminism and group-think) making women promiscuous against their nature, I think the removal of cultural restraints leads to PPPs behaving according to their nature. However, nature itself (evolutionary pressures for males to prevent female infidelity) designed the sexuality of women to be restrained by culture.

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  51. Tarnished says:

    Unicorns meant to monogamous they are?

    Probably. I’m not a unicorn in this regard, but Liz is. I *want* to have more than 1 partner, and I find both males and females sexually attractive. Everyday I see numerous attractive people and catch myself casually thinking “Yeah, I could totally have sex with him/her” or “I wonder what I’d have to/could do to make him/her come”. It gets progressively worse the longer me and mine go without sex.

    Liz, on the other hand, sounds more like she’s happy being monogamous. And is lucky enough to have the largely female attribute of being able to have a simmering sex drive instead of a constant flame. Trying not to be envious here, lol…Bloom too, if her posts are anything to go by. 🙂

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  52. Liz says:

    Cill: “Rather than “culture” (feminism and group-think) making women promiscuous against their nature, I think the removal of cultural restraints leads to PPPs behaving according to their nature. However, nature itself (evolutionary pressures for males to prevent female infidelity) designed the sexuality of women to be restrained by culture.”

    I think I can agree with that, Cill.
    We are a social species and that’s fundamental to our natures (and mental development… feral children are key evidence).

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  53. Spawny Get says:

    “hold real conversation, and self-awareness”

    (I tried biting my tongue, I really did)

    So they’re not totally committed to emulating real women then? Looks like they’re aiming to overshoot somewhat.

    (sorry)

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  54. Cill says:

    It’s in the nature of some women to expect cultural restraint, and in the absence of it to restrain themselves. That’s certainly the case with women I know.

    However, in the absence of cultural restraints, some women (e.g. PPPs) make no effort to restrain themselves. The result is promiscuous behavior.

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  55. Spawny Get says:

    To emulate a real world married old ratbag, I’d envisage something like Marvin (the paranoid android) with a dried up gina

    (Marvin has waited the age of the universe for the others to time travel to the Restaurant at the End of the Universe)

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  56. Spawny Get says:

    The creature introduced at 14:25 would be the perfect beast for most femeroids. The real man-haters would hate him because he’d not suffer enough.

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  57. Cill says:

    “Looks like they’re aiming to overshoot somewhat.”

    Looks like they’re emulating real men. 😉

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  58. Cill says:

    … that’s why my house has urinals for men.

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  59. Yoda says:

    Wonder if Moehau Man Women like this they are.

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  60. Yoda says:

    If one is not sick,
    should one heal?

    Activists on at least two college campuses are upset that their universities aren’t showing the “epidemic” levels of sexual assault the activists believe exist.

    At the University of Albany, the director of the school’s Advocacy Center for Sexual Assault, Carol Stenger, bemoaned the idea of schools wanting zero reports of sexual assault. Shouldn’t schools want zero reports? At least if it means there weren’t any sexual assaults? Well, that’s not what Stenger wants.

    “But how could we have a zero? There are 17,000 students here. We know the national statistics. It’s happening everywhere,” Stenger said. “If we increase that reporting, that means more people are getting assistance. And assistance is the fastest way to healing.”

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sex-assault-activists-upset-reality-doesnt-conform-to-their-beliefs/article/2573620

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  61. Yoda says:

    Perhaps difficult to justify her job if no rapes there are

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    “But how could we have a zero? There are 17,000 students here. We know the national statistics. It’s happening everywhere,” Stenger said.

    We have a new, go-to exemplar for dumb-fuck.

    I always assumed that these morons stengers knew they were talking shite…but no…nope…they truly are that fucking stupid and gullible stengish.

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  63. Moehau Man says:

    “Wonder if Moehau Man Women like this they are.”

    Yes well, we have a Kauri Club culture. The menace of the Kauri Club bangs hangs over the heads of Moehau Man sheilas all the time, pretty much. As Mrs Moehau Man (my stern old mum) once observed, “Woe unto they who devise iniquity and work evil twixt their legs, for they shall inherit the shame of the Great Whore.”

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  64. Tarnished says:

    However, nature itself (evolutionary pressures for males to prevent female infidelity) designed the sexuality of women to be restrained by culture.

    Not necessarily. The concept that every single male and every single female alive today is capable, willing, and should be breeding isn’t true. Heck, I’m including myself in this…the fact that I’d kill myself if I ever got pregnant without a way to terminate it kinda proves I’m an evolutionary “dead end” as an individual. But evolution doesn’t exactly care about individuals, only the species as a whole. (I mean, it’s a non sentient process so it can’t *care* about anything, but you know what I’m saying.)

    There’s a non-PC ideology that transfolk, homosexuals, and certain asexuals are not not capable/willing to reproduce BUT this is not a bad thing since it would allow for more relatives to care for the young of their siblings…Which is not-so-coincidentally what I plan to do when I become an aunt. In having males and females who don’t breed themselves, superior chances for survival are bestowed on their nieces, nephews, or even younger siblings.

    Again, just throwing a thought out there.

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  65. Moehau Man says:

    “But how could we have a zero? There are 17,000 students here. We know the national statistics. It’s happening everywhere”.

    Ye-e-e-e-s…

    Well, us Moehau Mans are of limited intellect, but at least I know a hairy comment when I hear one. I put it down to me hairy chest and me brow-ridge.

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  66. Tarnished says:

    We expect, then, to have much stronger evolutionary pressures for males to prevent female infidelity than for females to prevent male infidelity.

    Depends on the male, I think. If it’s a guy with a huge amount of resources (a king or chieftain with many wives/concubines, for example), then there’s not as much need for the women in his family to be competitive. They are all pretty much guaranteed the ability to raise children without fear of starvation or the elements.

    However, a lower class male without nearly as many resources who cheats is seen as a monster if he has children out of wedlock or worse, abandons his wife and offspring for a new family. It would be in the lower and middle class females best interest to prevent male infidelity, as it would mean death for her or her their child.

    Of course, this is assuming that the community as a whole would somehow have zero interest in making sure the tribe and majority of it’s individual members survive…

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  67. Cill says:

    Tarn, I was talking about heterosexual men and women (me at 1:54 pm).

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  68. Tarnished says:

    Yup, I know.
    Doesn’t mean there aren’t hetero men and women who shouldn’t breed, though. I’m not talking about incels or mgtow, btw…more like the Stupids. If fewer window-licking brain-neglecting mouth breathers had kids, it’d be better for society in general.

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  69. Yoda says:

    If on college campus a rape happens not,
    and people see the non-rape not,
    on rape statistics count it should?

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  70. Cill says:

    I think that’s more a matter of selection than pressure to prevent infidelity.

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  71. Yoda says:

    “OK listen up girls. Some of you need to be raped for me to keep my job. It doesn’t need to be rape-rape. A regret rape or two will do. Think about it”

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  72. Cill says:

    “and people see the non-rape not”
    Yodish a concise language it is.

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  73. Tarnished says:

    Yeah…it gets all interconnected though. Very difficult topic, this, especially when one considers birth control (it has always existed since civilization began, but is obviously much easier to procure and use safely nowadays).

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  74. Cill says:

    Evolution sentient it is not.
    Unless “The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that the universe is comprehensible to us” we believe.

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  75. This is a wild hair but maybe like in men there are women predisposed to promiscuity/exercising options and women who are not? I know some women (like my former neighbor) who seem to go for it every chance she can, and others who turn such chances down. I agree Cill, it’s more about selection than pressure. Integrity and character are key.

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  76. Cill says:

    Swallowed a Yodish antidote I did.
    Gradually working it would be.
    Cured I am.
    By George the Queen’s English I now speak.
    Yep I’m cured.

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  77. Moehau Man says:

    “This is a wild hair”
    A wild chest hair you mean?

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  78. Male infidelity once had a pretty low “risk” to his wife because while probably she wasn’t happy about it, often it was “just sex” and w/o paternity testing and mandatory child support and such, the risk a married woman would lose resources was small because the family would stay intact and the children and woman would be supported bc divorce was uncommon and also socially unacceptable. Or more bluntly, a woman never risks bearing a child that is not her own. For men infidelity by a woman means possibly just that, she may have another man’s baby and wo paternity testing etc. he may end up a cuckhold. (Pool boy, milkman, etc) Until the 1970s women simply didn’t sleep with men they were not married to, if they wanted a decent life anyway. Affairs and such did happen, but casual sex was a huge social no no.

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  79. Farm Boy says:

    Check your privilege,

    A political humorist named Mark Dice took a camera to the streets of San Diego and decided to interview Hillary Clinton supporters, acting as if he was one of them.

    He told them that Clinton planned on instituting a “white privilege” tax.

    In other words, she planned on taking money from each and every Caucasian and distributing it among the other races.

    Guess what? They not only bought it, they agreed with it

    http://www.progressivestoday.com/watch-hillary-clinton-supporters-endorse-a-special-tax-on-white-people-video/

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  80. Also male infidelity was once limited to mistresses for men who could afford it or prostitutes for those who couldn’t. A woman who wanted a traditional life (which was likely 95% of them) would have steered clear of married men and affairs or players in favor of marriage minded men.

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  81. Cill says:

    It’s approaching 5 a.m. here. I’ll try to catch 40 winks. I’m looking forward to reading Bloom’s response to Moe’s question at 4:28 pm on my return.

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  82. Tarnished says:

    Bloom, that would make sense.

    You and Liz are unicorns, in that you like and desire monagamy/families.
    I’m a non-unicorn, in that I would like to have more partners but not their resources or a family.

    The PPPs and other whackjobs want *both*, without realizing that to many men these things are mutually exclusive. :/

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  83. For example my aunt who I am guessing graduated around 1962 got pregnant w her high school boyfriend and my grandmother went to bed for two weeks from the shame and grief. The couple was quickly married. At that time if no marriage was happening, women were often sent to a maternity home and the baby put for adoption. In both cases it was always a huge source of ongoing shame for it “not being done right.”

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  84. Tarnished says:

    PPPs = anti-unicorns?

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  85. Tarnished says:

    Farm Boy…wow. That is just insane. I can’t even wrap my mind around this stupidity anymore.

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  86. Also, women used to be the ones who kept tabs on other women and shamed/ostracized them for being easy. The judgement of the herd kept women in line as much as men.

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  87. Cill I am not sure what type of hair exactly that saying refers to! (Blush)

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  88. Tarn there was probably always a subset of women like yourself, likely who would have not married and not had sex partners back in the day because of the risk of pregnancy and the limited jobs available for self supporting women. So even your current desired lifestyle was not really an option back then. Or you would have had to be seriously secretive about it!

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  89. And really Tarn, the option of openly living your lifestyle even 10 years ago would not have been widely accepted. The idea of being a male in a female body who has noncommitted male and female sex partners…. That would have been considered seriously taboo/odd. (Not saying this personally, just in general.) I am sure it happened, but it wasn’t something people were open about.

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  90. Likewise, seeing male trannies out in public would not have been conceivable even a year ago! Things are changing rapidly… Is this “good?” I mean from an overall cultural pov. Sjw’s would say so. That’s part of the problem w an “anything goes” individual-choice based society. Overall, it’s unstable, increasingly so w time.

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  91. Or, from another angle, that a woman like Liz being married for 20+ years and not wanting otherwise is now seen as “unicorn” or highly unusual/ not normal also shows how much our culture has changed, and I would say not for the better.

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  92. And none of this is meant personally, btw. My own life choices would have been considered highly taboo not too long ago as well.

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  93. And to be honest maybe my life choices being ok is good for me (I am not ostracized) but not good for society overall (single motherhood is the new norm?)

    Conformity is out of style these days but there is something very useful about it, one could argue.

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  94. And actually now that I think about it, Liz and Blurkel are the only ones on this board living a traditional married for life lifestyle. One self reported happily, the other not. Others may prefer a traditional life but the fact that so many still aren’t able to find it shows how uncommon that has become. Is this “good?”

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  95. Yoda says:

    There will also need to be an absence of HOE (Hypergamy Opportunity. The “E” is just there, like the “S” in “Harry S Truman” heh):

    Darth Maul give you hard time he should

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  96. Yoda says:

    White males have privilege not.
    “Better” they are required to be.
    Professionally and otherwise

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  97. Tarnished says:

    Tarn there was probably always a subset of women like yourself, likely who would have not married and not had sex partners back in the day because of the risk of pregnancy and the limited jobs available for self supporting women.

    Depending on how far back “in the day” we’re talking, this is either more or less true. 2,000 years ago? Definitely. 100 years ago? Perhaps not so bad for those in my position. I do imagine I’d have needed to be somewhat secretive about the unmarried sex, but that wouldn’t be too difficult if done correctly and maturely. And despite what the Fems like to portray as “truth”, women have always had employment options. We spoke about this on my blog last year, and Spawny found some historical information that showed there were private woman-founded/owned businesses even in the original Colonies. So much for the whole “women had to be married in order to live” crap they enjoy spouting.

    And really Tarn, the option of openly living your lifestyle even 10 years ago would not have been widely accepted. The idea of being a male in a female body who has noncommitted male and female sex partners…. That would have been considered seriously taboo/odd.

    Lol. That is correct, and it is also why I’m *not* open about it. The only ones who know I’m not a tomboy are you here, some very select friends, and my lover. Nobody else, including any of my family. My mother nearly drove our car off the road when I mentioned my first kiss was with a girl…you think I’m going to tell her I have gender dysphoria? Yeah, right. Can’t even tell my siblings, as they get severely squicked out by even seeing men or women sharing a mere peck on the cheek in public. If they knew even 10% of what you all do…well, I’d probably not be welcome at any more family gatherings. So, secretive is a way of life even today. 😉

    Or, from another angle, that a woman like Liz being married for 20+ years and not wanting otherwise is now seen as “unicorn” or highly unusual/ not normal also shows how much our culture has changed, and I would say not for the better.

    Yup.

    Likewise, seeing male trannies out in public would not have been conceivable even a year ago! Things are changing rapidly… Is this “good?” I mean from an overall cultural pov. Sjw’s would say so. That’s part of the problem w an “anything goes” individual-choice based society. Overall, it’s unstable, increasingly so w time.

    Agreed again, for the most part. I do wonder, however, if the issue is not so much that an incredibly small subset of individuals can live as they choose but rather the fact that there’s this huge push by SJWs to literally force everyone to accept it? Obviously I’m not saying things like hate crimes or legitimate harassment should be allowed…definitely not! But it has gotten to the point where if I was open about my dysphoria and someone politely disagreed with said lifestyle/change, I could very easily bring hell down around their ears. I wouldn’t, but that’s not the point. The fact we’ve gone from tolerance for others differences to forcibly making everyone say they accept it completely is bad. Yes, I realize it’s weird for me of all people to say this…but just because I am X, has no bearing at all on whether random people need to approve of X.

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  98. Tarnished says:

    Although, depending on how well I could “pass”, I wouldn’t have to live in the shadows of society at all…just look at the jazz musician Billy Tipton.

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  99. True, the whole witch hunt if you do ‘t agree w my individual choices thing is way out of hand. What worries me in extremes tend to snap back too far the other way in reaction, is a totalitarian conformist regime on the way? Puritanical times, anyone?

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  100. Tarnished says:

    Ugh, no thank you. Extremes on either side rarely work out well for people. Where’s the middle ground…?

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  101. Yoda says:

    By George the Queen’s English I now speak.

    Wonder if degrade under King Chuck it will

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  102. Cill says:

    Under Chas III the Queens English go to Poundbury it would.

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  103. Cillhouette says:

    “Liz and Blurkel are the only ones on this board living a traditional married for life lifestyle.”

    And me! 🙂

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  104. Spawny Get says:

    “The fact we’ve gone from tolerance for others differences to forcibly making everyone say they accept it completely is bad.”

    Exactly my problem with the current situation.

    I can do IDGAS about what consenting people do in private, but we’re at ‘if you don’t celebrate my choices…you are evil’. And those choices are being made up from whole cloth in an attempt to cause outrage or disbelief. And disbelief is evil.

    Examples? you demand. Suck on this…it’s completely hilarious

    These tumblerites are crazy, narcissistic or crazy narcissists (or trolls) to be told to just fuck off. Or get effective treatment.

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  105. Spawny Get says:

    Seriously, watch that series. You will be entertained. And will understand why the battle against seemingly mild eccentricities should be fought. Because the very real slippery slope. Just say no to personal pronouns…because you’re just opening the door to crazy. He / She / It has it all covered.

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  106. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, Tarn is your email working? I sent an email related to the Dead Lands film…did you get it? +1 will do

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  107. Tarnished says:

    I did, Spawny. As well as the other one. I detest the new Outlook app for my phone…now emails are placed in various folders according to whatever system *they* determine instead of the account holder. Makes it difficult to see new notifications and messages.

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  108. Spawny Get says:

    You have turned to the Dark Side?
    +1 for subtlety.

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  109. Cill says:

    I didn’t receive the email, mate. I checked Spam as well, and the “All Mail” option. Not there.

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  110. Yoda says:

    Unhappy he was,

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/misuse-911/man-calls-911-over-lack-of-ass-674920

    A South Carolina man called 911 early this morning to complain that his girlfriend would not have sex with him, according to an arrest report.

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    Just sent it again, Cill. Nothing major in it, it’s that I’ve had the growing suspicion things were going astray for a few weeks now.

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  112. SFC Ton says:

    Trumps appeal is Trump.

    Would Steve urkle be leading in the polls if he said the same thing as Trump? Or even Ron Paul?

    The media; almost everything ” they” say about Trump is designed to reduce his status as the apex alpha so a more main stream candidate will run for the gop ie a born loser to ensure Hillary ‘ victory

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  113. Spawny Get says:

    Furry muff, it’s just when I see him I don’t see an apex alpha (foreigner, remember? I’ve seen very much less of him than you lot have). He’s certainly got an ability to make huge amounts of cash.

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  114. Cill says:

    I’ll keep an eye on it. Hasn’t arrived yet…

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  115. Spawny Get says:

    Furry Muff, Fairy Snuff…fair enough

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  116. Spawny Get says:

    Seen this whining?

    Bob is just a co-star? Nope. He is the star. She’s just superannuated totty in cripplingly high heels.

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  117. Cill says:

    “Fairy Snuff”
    Most of Santa’s employees went by the surname “Nuff”, as I recall. There was Fairy Nuff, Good E. Nuff and so on. And of course Alf was the most common first name.

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  118. Spawny Get says:

    Goodenough is a surname in the Bristol region (did I just hear Tarn squee because I mentioned Brizzle?)
    https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Goodenough

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  119. Spawny Get says:

    for no particular reason

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  120. Cill says:

    Spawny, 30+ minutes later, it’s still not here. It has happened before, your mail not arriving…

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  121. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, hmm I re-re-sent it to your old address too. And now from another address

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  122. Cill says:

    It’s a boy!!

    [Cill self edit: by which I mean IT’S ARRIVED]

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  123. Spawny Get says:

    Reminder to watch this termorrer

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  124. Spawny Get says:

    Off to watch the telly

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  125. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda at 2:55pm,
    If reporting of sexual assualts continues to reflect what we know to be true, as DoJ numbers and RAINN concur, this could be the end of campus feminism. I can’t see how they could survive telling a lie as big as “rape culture” and not be be potically trashed when found out.

    Spawny Get,
    Vee is funny! If this is not something cooked up by studio publicists and is a genuine Gyneth Paltrow crybaby beef, her career is over. Have you noticed that she is blode? In Hollywood, that signifies a shortened career in and of itself.

    Cillhouette,
    We never did find out who you married. Is he someone that we haven’t seen on the threads?

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  126. Tarnished says:

    Bristol accents?!

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  127. SFC Ton says:

    Alpha male in how he deals with all the bullshit thrown his way, he ran over that “lady” anchor from Fox news, evicted a mexican journalist from press conference, runs through opposition like they aren’t there

    All social alpha traits.

    He wouldn’t last the 1st 3 mins of work on my job but he is a social alpha at the apex of his social circle and nation. Plus I have only read good stuff about him from the blue. Collar types he interacts with regularly. So really that’s two sets of social circles

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  128. Cillouette and you! Our newest newlywed! Congrats, btw 🙂 and yes, the story??? We could all use a great love story to balance the rest!

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  129. Cillhouette says:

    Fuzzie yes he is someone you haven’t seen on the threads, a very private man. 😉

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  130. BuenaVista says:

    Masters and Johnson refuted most of Bloom’s comments about the good old days and female restraint. Admittedly, there was formerly a veneer of bourgeois restraint, applied to men and women, but that can be summarized briefly: “Never complain, never explain.” The past was not SMP/MMP utopia.

    Paternity fraud in so-called restrained western communities approaches 20%, and has for decades. In a multigenerational study of cancer heritability, in Canada, the researchers ran into a problem: Over 20% of the children were not related to the father*.

    My personal view (anecdotal) is that contemporary women are so indoctrinated in the primacy of whatever it is they conclude they momentarily “feel” — and we see this in all the campus, SJW, entertainment, media and political communities — that they are becoming incapable of managing their own lives. Sure, they can hold down a job; they can spend money on nice things; they can ‘better’ themselves in a manner their friends approve. But in respect of making SMP/MMP decisions that reflect an abstract understanding of the longterm value of a constructive relationship, family and legacy, they’re in meltdown. Or, to use my favorite metaphor, they’re bailing out of burning airplanes with a chute on fire.

    I think Lizzie’s comment about ghetto morals entering the mainstream is obviously true, but the implication is that the cost of such behavior — even in the middle and upper classes — will also be socialized in the form of government action. (As it has been in the ghetto.) I think this is also true. For one small example, the country club life that is university attendance these days enables an array of stupid activities and choices. And it’s funded by the government, in the sense that the government shovels money that will never be repaid to the government. The mediocre college where I’m hanging out is *filled* with first generation college kids from places like Sudan. Am I going to cover their debt down the road. Hahahaha. Obviously, it’s not sustainable, and the reckoning will somehow be imposed on those of us who wrote checks for our children’s educations.

    Every woman I’ve dated in the past five years, so far as I know, is in some sort of personal crisis, and often an n-dimensional personal crisis. Sure, it could be my selection bias, but many of these chicks are professionally accomplished to an unusual degree. Professionally they’re doing great, personally, they’re fucking strangers, felons and cads; losing their children; drinking or drugging late at night; exercising to the point of hip replacement (compulsive and destructive exercise). They’re not tethered to anything.

    I guess they now have it all: money, prestige, and emotional chaos. Men didn’t create this world. Only the dumbass men are willing to live in it.

    *I’ll try to find this study. Obviously it is rarely quoted, because Strong Empowered, But Formerly Exploited, Women would never commit paternity fraud. Also the study was by voluntary participation, and there were some serious ethical issues involved in telling children of seemingly devoted parents that their father was a stranger.

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  131. Spawny Get says:

    Ton, from what I’ve read, Megyn ‘me gyna’ Kelly is still walking off her feminist frenzy fuck up. Hope it was a career ender.

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  132. BuenaVista says:

    Kelly remains the most popular TV anchor.

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  133. thedeti says:

    BV’s comments are a thing of beauty. I peruse here to read his and Ton’s comments. Brilliant.

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  134. thedeti says:

    Ton, it’s washing away in SC. Are you doing OK to the north?

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  135. BuenaVista says:

    This woman had degrees from Columbia, Hopkins and Yale. Here she writes about the unfairness of being passed over by (even) scholars, who stoop to wander down streets with women she demeans as bimbos and bozos, leaving her to nobly struggle with her books and empty bed. This is clearly illogical and unfair because she has her degrees, sensibility, correct sexual politics, and other resume ephemera. And by God, she’s not one of those trivial creatures who manages her weight.

    Men are base creatures who cannot, she writes, and will not value her resume and higher sensibility, her learning, her *discernment* about all things.

    (A friend of mine is besotted with a local girl, and she cried out to him today that he would never be true to her, she had none of his ex-wives credentials.)

    Wetzsteon was widely published and acclaimed, and killed herself (a spinster) at 42 on Christmas day, 2009. She achieved in death heroic, iconic status with her feminist cohort.

    I know a lot of women like this. This woman is an apex feminist legend now. There are millions of undergraduate female english majors who want to be like her.

    Love and Work

    BY RACHEL WETZSTEON

    In an uncurtained room across the way
    a woman in a tight dress paints her lips
    a deeper red, and sizes up her hips
    for signs of ounces gained since yesterday.

    She has a thoughtful and a clever face,
    but she is also smart enough to know
    the truth: however large the brain may grow,
    the lashes and the earrings must keep pace.

    Although I’ve spread my books in front of me
    with a majestic air of I’ll show her,
    I’m much less confident than I’d prefer,
    and now I’ve started pacing nervously.

    I’m poring over theorems, tomes and tracts.
    I’m getting ready for a heavy date
    by staying up ridiculously late.
    But a small voice advises, Face the facts:

    go on this way and you’ll soon come to harm.
    The world’s most famous scholars wander down
    the most appalling alleyways in town,
    a blond and busty airhead on each arm.

    There is an inner motor known as lust
    that makes a man of learning walk a mile
    to gratify his raging senses, while
    the woman he can talk to gathers dust.

    A chilling vision of the years ahead
    invades my thoughts, and widens like a stain:
    a barren dance card and a teeming brain,
    a crowded bookcase and an empty bed…

    What if I compromised? I’d stay up late
    to hone my elocutionary skills,
    and at the crack of dawn I’d swallow pills
    to calm my temper and control my weight,

    but I just can’t. Romantics, so far gone
    they think their lovers live for wisdom, woo
    by growing wiser; when I think of you
    I find the nearest lamp and turn it on.

    Great gods of longing, watch me as I work
    and if I sprout a martyr’s smarmy grin
    please find some violent way to do me in;
    I’m burning all these candles not to shirk

    a night of passion, but to give that night
    a richly textured backdrop when it comes.
    The girl who gets up from her desk and dumbs
    her discourse down has never seen the flight

    of wide-eyed starlings from their shabby cage;
    the fool whose love is truest is the one
    who knows a lover’s work is never done.
    I’ll call you when I’ve finished one more page.

    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/238908

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  136. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “Kelly remains the most popular TV anchor.”
    This makes me more than a little sick. I grew up with Walter Cronkite before dinner. Can you Megyn Kelly climbing into a B-17 to give a first hand report of a raid over Berlin?
    Can you see Megyn Kelly nearly closing up the remote at the Democrtic National Convention because one of her reporters got the bum’s rush?

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  137. BuenaVista says:

    I’ll sign off because I’m getting mordant and self-indulgent, and the following will prove it.

    I’m in my gym at 5:30 a.m. most days and it’s unpleasant. Most of you can raise your left arm and touch your ear with your left bicep, and your right shoulder doesn’t sound like Rice Krispies, and your lungs didn’t get repositioned, and you probably have most of the feeling in your lower legs. Typically I have slept 3-4 hours and then laid there for four hours. I have a coach who is ruthless, at my request. I throw up a couple mornings a week.

    But I have an objective, and we are making progress, so I try to throw up before I get there, and after 20-30 mins I’m properly awake.

    After 90 minutes I feel like I’m 22 years old.

    The sun comes up around 7 now and afterward I grab my chocolate milk and drive to the cemetery where my grandparents, and a spinster great-aunt (credentialed: she was the first psychiatric social worker west of the Mississippi) are buried, and park. Another great-great aunt (credentialed!), who started the first women’s college in China, would be buried here, but after she retired she got restless and went back, and the Japs killed her there. I will be buried in this spot, as well. I have one of those stones in place where the end-date is not yet carved.

    (Well, sometimes I have a beer instead of chocolate milk.)

    I have never met a woman who can discuss her thoughts on family legacy. I’m sure they exist.

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  138. Sumo says:

    Paternity fraud in so-called restrained western communities approaches 20%, and has for decades. In a multigenerational study of cancer heritability, in Canada, the researchers ran into a problem: Over 20% of the children were not related to the father*.

    In the (extremely-fucking-unlikely) event that I decide that I want kids, this isn’t really something I’d be terribly worried about. It there ain’t no slant in them eyes, then The Mighty Sumo is out of there.

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  139. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post

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  140. JDG says:

    Kelly remains the most popular TV anchor.

    She needs to make sammiches. I could tell when she and the Donald got into it that she hasn’t made a sammich in quite a while, maybe never.

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  141. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    So, Canada ran a generalized test and the number they came up with was twenty percent. Previously, the best number available was thiry three percent but, that was of kids tested, so there was an underlying suspicion.
    If it’s twenty percent in Canada over several generations, it doesn’t speak well for women. No wonder the French outlawed paternity tests, tht would make for a lot of furious French men.

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  142. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    JDG,
    Do you think that a womwn with an ego that big would make a sandwich, even for her kis’s school lunch?

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  143. JDG says:

    Puritanical times, anyone?

    I think the Puritans where given a bad wrap unjustly. They may have been strict, but their goal was a good one.

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  144. This is true BV, people have always been people, those prior to 1960 were not saints or even necessarily more moral but they were a lot less openly flaunting about it.

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  145. JDG says:

    Do you think that a womwn with an ego that big would make a sandwich, even for her kis’s school lunch?

    I doubt that even her mom made sammiches.

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  146. Perhaps, maybe the puritans were mostly happy. I guess I am picturing the darker side of those days.

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  147. JDG says:

    those prior to 1960 were not saints or even necessarily more moral but they were a lot less openly flaunting about it.

    I grew up in the 60s / 70s and I remember people having a fear of / belief in God (even by drug using non-church goers) that is virtually non existent these days. There was also much more respect for other people and their property than these days. We said sir and ma’am to our elders. We also used Mr. and Mrs. a lot.

    The number one problem in schools was talking out of turn. The number two problem was chewing gum in class. Streaking was a big deal and divorce was somewhere around 7 or 8 percent. Crime rates were much lower than today and most kids grew up with their families (mother and father) still intact. Also, WOMEN WERE NOT ASHAMED TO MAKE SAMMICHES FOR MEN. It’s all gone now.

    Keep in mind that I did not grow up in a Christian household and yet I saw these traits in people everywhere. Even the homosexuals that I encountered (including one of them that hit on me) knew and admitted that what he wanted was wrong.

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  148. Liz says:

    “In the (extremely-fucking-unlikely) event that I decide that I want kids, this isn’t really something I’d be terribly worried about. It there ain’t no slant in them eyes, then The Mighty Sumo is out of there.”

    Over the counter cheek swab DNA paternity tests are available now. Only 80 bucks or so.
    Just last year (or was it the year before?) we did a family saliva test. That was really interesting (as in, surprising). There was probably some subterfuge going on, somewhere…it projects a few hundred years in the past, to see where your ancestors are from.
    Mike joked that they gave the paternity by the credit card number, not the saliva, for our kids. (although it was only certain to 99 percent, so there is that 1 percent chance of the milkman)
    😛

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  149. Liz says:

    “Furry muff, it’s just when I see him I don’t see an apex alpha (foreigner, remember? I’ve seen very much less of him than you lot have). He’s certainly got an ability to make huge amounts of cash.”

    I don’t either. He reminds me of Perot. Another annoying rich business man who said a lot of spot-on accurate things (and gave us a Clinton presidency). Hope second verse isn’t the same as the first.

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  150. JDG says:

    I messed up that last paragraph. Every homosexual that I encountered personally in those days seemed to be aware that what they were about was wrong, and homosexuals in general seemed to know this as well.

    Men and women alike knew that adultery, fornication, and homo-sex was wrong.

    There was no “gay pride” or any such non-sense. There was also a guy that hit on me who flat out admitted during a conversation (where I declined his offer) that what he wanted was wrong.

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  151. Liz says:

    I watched the first episode of the second season of The Affair recently and the youngest son of the leading man (Noah) was wearing a ‘Hillary 2016’ tee shirt. Groovy product placement.

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  152. Farm Boy says:

    I doubt that even her mom made sammiches.

    I wonder if she wore army boots…

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  153. JDG says:

    I’m not saying everything was rose red and candy in those days. I hated most of my childhood. But what I see now is even worse. With the exception of some home schooling families, I would hate to be a kid growing up in the USA these days.

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  154. JDG says:

    I wonder if she wore army boots…

    Maybe so or maybe no, but she probably wore the pants.

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  155. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    JDG,
    This is the first that I have heard of a Grand Conspiracy to avoid making sandwiches and multigenerational application.
    This is bigger than I thought!

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  156. Farm Boy says:

    With the exception of some home schooling families, I would hate to be a kid growing up in the USA these days.

    If one can do it, one would be insane not to homeschool these days.

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  157. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    Where the Puritans got into trouble was with their kids. When they grew up, they wanted to strike out on their own, as their parents had in coming to Massachusetts. Their parents wanted them to stay home and take care of them in old age.

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  158. JDG says:

    This is the first that I have heard of a Grand Conspiracy to avoid making sandwiches and multigenerational application.
    This is bigger than I thought!

    Fuzzie you could be on to something. This whole thing could have been about SAMMICHES the whole time.

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  159. Yoda says:

    Big thread beome this has.
    Sammiches important topic it is

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  160. JDG says:

    Sumo – When I was young my dad told me that if I kept eating Chinese food I would get slanted eyes. My eyes never did get slanted, but they got squinty. However, my wife has slanted eyes, so he wasn’t entirely off base.

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  161. Yoda says:

    JDG,

    Your wife make sammiches she does

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  162. Yoda says:

    Wonder if Darth Maul cured by sammiches he can be

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  163. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    JDG,
    Everyone likes and eats sandwiches, even feminists. Do you think they get up in the middle of the night, make two or three, and wolf them down over the sink?

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  164. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    Me and mine don’t usually eat sandwiches together, because the ingredients we prefer are too different. It’d result in such a mess! However, we both adore fresh bruschetta, and we’ll happily make and eat it together. Is this close enough to a sandwich, do you think, albeit an “open” one?

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  165. JDG says:

    Your wife make sammiches she does

    Yes she does, and something called Lumpia.

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  166. Tarnished says:

    Why on earth would one eat over a sink? 😕
    Eating at a table or relaxing on a couch is far preferable for true enjoyment of food.

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  167. JDG says:

    Everyone likes and eats sandwiches, even feminists. Do you think they get up in the middle of the night, make two or three, and wolf them down over the sink?

    I’ve seen some feminists that might make two or three hundred and wolf them down.

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  168. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    “Why on Earth would one eat over a sink?”
    It’s an old bachelor trick to save dirtying and washing a plate.

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  169. Spawny Get says:

    Does she feel her crotch overtly whenever she says her name? Ma-Gyna (grope, grope)

    Can’t help but suspect that the name is part of the reason she developed as she did.

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  170. Spawny Get says:

    The sink trick is pretty useful to those currently lacking a dishwasher…*shudder*

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  171. Cill says:

    Pimpin Ma Gyna

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  172. Farm Boy says:

    This is bigger than I thought!

    I get that a lot

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  173. SFC Ton says:

    Thanks for the concern Deit
    We are good. Oddly enough we are only an hour away from some serious flooding in SC. Not the worst but pretty bad

    For us, the rain was a blessing

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  174. molly says:

    Fuzzie I can’t… I can’t resist the temptation…

    ʕ•͚͡•ʔ

    (ear-rub ear-rub ear-rub)
    Lol

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  175. molly says:

    Oops! Wrong post 🙄

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  176. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!
    Thank you, Molly!
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄

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  177. Tarnished says:

    It’s an old bachelor trick to save dirtying and washing a plate.

    Huh. I either just eat out of the tupperware containers the food is already in, or choose something that isn’t crumbly like olives or carrots with hummus or slices of tofurky. I can appreciate the desire to not dirty a plate though, as I don’t have a dishwasher (other than a sponge and 2 hands). 😛

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  178. Spawny Get says:

    “(other than a sponge and 2 hands)”

    me too, but there will be a new kitchen in the near(ish) future…I hope…

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  179. Tarnished says:

    Wimp. 😉
    I’ve not had a dishwasher in 6 years. Builds character, mate.

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  180. Spawny Get says:

    character schmaracter

    I ❤ gadgets

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  181. Tarnished says:

    Gadgets *are* cool.
    I have an automatic stapler you’d like. Has a sensor so it knows when a paper is ready for stapling, and is clear so you can see the mechanisms working. 🙂

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