No Money, No Honey, Sonny!


Wandering about the Internet, I often find some rather interesting things. I recently found three articles on Vice.com of particular interest which spurred my thoughts.

The primary article was written by a white knight who styles himself Mack Lamoureux, champion of Dulcineas everywhere in his torrid denunciation of young men who aren’t pursuing women with an eye toward matrimony. He takes on MGTOW as if it only represents sad sacks who can’t get laid. “A libido just can’t be satisfied, no matter how hard you try woodworking and hanging with your bros.” What makes this mangina (a term he deems a “personal favorite”) think that starfishing once every other month or so is satisfying sex? And that it is worth the expense?

Our self-possessed Don Quixote doesn’t appear to accept that deciding to not interact with women in the traditional manner can be either a spiritual choice or a socio-economic issue. Yet increasingly, young men can’t meet the financial standards women demand be met before they grant access to the starfish.

No Money, No Honey, Sonny!

Jon Birger, a former economics writer for Fortune and Money, was inspired to write Date-onomics: How Dating Became a Lopsided Numbers Game in examining why men aren’t snapping up all these available bargains. He manages to miss the forest for the tree stumps in doing so. “For every four college-educated women in my generation, there are three college-educated men,” he writes, throwing open the reality as to why women aren’t getting married in the numbers desired.

The keyword is “college-educated”. Birger notes that 35 percent more women graduated from college than men in 2014, an imbalance which will only grow to 47 percent more women than men graduating from college by 2023 according to uncredited data culled from The Department of Education.

But as my own sons demonstrate, it isn’t the college degree which attracts women. It’s the earning potential that degree once represented. Without a well-paying job, women just aren’t interested. “Love” is currency-based.

No Money, No Honey, Sonny!

Birger does see this particular fact: “Among non-college-educated singles ages 22 to 29, there are 9.4 million men and 7.1 million women. And if you look at the women in that age group who are non-college-educated, something like 30 percent of the women are married but only 22 percent of the men are married.”

There is thus a surplus of single men in certain demographics. But because their earnings won’t provide the lifestyle to which she desires to become accustomed, she doesn’t see him as a suitable life partner. After all, even starfish have their standards which must be met!

Birger sees the facts, but draws the wrong conclusions. He cites the problems American and Chinese men have in attracting wives. First the American men: “…census data on fully-employed, non-college-educated men age 25 to 30, the ones who are married earn 20 percent more than the ones who are not married. Which tells me that in order to get married and attract a wife, you have to earn more…”

No Money, No Honey, Sonny!

Now Birger’s word on Chinese men (emphases mine):

“There was a semi-recent story in Bloomberg, and it quoted a young couple who were about to start having a family. The dad said, “Oh, I hope I have a girl, having a boy is just too expensive.” Because in the middle-upper class in China, it’s now accepted that in order to be marriageable a young man has to own his own apartment. In Shanghai, that could be $300,000 to $400,000, and he has to own a car, too. This creates pressure not only on the young man but on the family, to be able to afford to help him. It’s a reverse dowry, essentially.”

With the latest US employment report [Sept. 2015], one wonders who in the US can afford to help themselves much less offspring! Westwood Capital managing partner Dan Alpert estimated in his The Age of Oversupply: Overcoming the Greatest Challenge to the Global Economy, that 43 million Americans now work in part-time jobs that pay less than $26,000 a year. (Source)

No Money, No Honey, Sonny!

Economist Jared Bernstein notes that “The decline in the labor force rate is another sign of weakness. It ticked down to 62.4 percent, the lowest this rate has been since the late 1970s.” Labor force rate is the statistic of how many working age people are actually working. He adds, “at least a third of the 3.6 percentage point decline in the labor force rate since the end of 2007—the beginning of the recession—is due to weak labor force demand. That’s close to 2 million potential workers missing from the labor force.”

Figuring a rough 50-50 split between the genders, and that’s a million men no longer seen as suitable by women for matrimony. A commenter to Bernstein’s post adds this:

“Just since last month, another 1/2 million working-age Americans dropped out of the labor force. Over 94.6 million so far — about 12 million just since the Great Recession “officially” ended….The jobs created since then weren’t even enough to employee the 7 million high school and college graduates we have every year.”

But such facts aren’t going to stop frustrated princesses like Vice.com poster Megan Koester from male bashing! She WILL Have Her Say no matter who gets harmed!

No Money, No Honey, Sonny!

It’s bad enough today’s young men get berated by today’s young women upset that they can’t have it all like their mothers did. It only gets worse when men sell out their brothers. One such is Eric Charles, who writes a regular relationship advice column for young women called Ask A Guy at A New Mode.com. These “articles” are bait to attract the “spinster” into spending money on books and videos alleged to aid her in her quest for lifetime financial support from some unwitting young man who “deserves” her.

I somehow got on his mailing list, and stayed with it long enough to see that he advises the lovelorn damsel in marital distress how to manipulate the young man of her dreams into committing to her, one of the greatest issues men have always had with women. If you have a strong stomach, you can sample his wares here.

Having lived the life of quiet desperation for many decades, I feel I’ve accumulated the requisite scars from the slings and arrows of outrageous marital misfortune to qualify as an expert on why marriage is not the life for young men in the coming years. The problems they face grow both in number and complexity. For example, regardless of how you feel about the Syrian refugees streaming into Europe, just look at the practical aspect of feeding such numbers. It will destabilize Europe, and nationalism is rising in response. Not a good environment in which to have dependants.

And then there are the climate changes which idle vital farmland in California and across the globe. There will be less to share among more who need. Few will willingly reduce their standard of living to benefit another, especially someone from a very different culture. Strife will break out, and global militaries are preparing their plans to defend necessary assets. There will be blood. Lots of it.

At the domestic level, it’s no different. Young men are facing fewer options to do better than merely survive. Taking on a wife (and her inevitable offspring) is not something they see as reasonable, especially if she isn’t paying attention to how life on this space rock is not becoming easier. Not having family to provide for is the only realistic option for such young men left behind by “progress”. They will have a hard enough time surviving as single men as it is. So to them, “No Money, No Honey, Sonny!” is a way of life and not a sacrifice.

So what are today’s young women to do? They are going to have to learn to share. Monogamy is going to die off due to economic necessity. The likes of employed white knights like Mack Lamoureux are going to have to step up and fill the breech, so to speak. Let’s see what manlier men they are in defense of unmarried women who need economic support from a man. If they can manage one, certainly they can manage two or more. The men of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have been doing this for quite a while now, so why not the likes of Mack Lamoureux? It would help them to add to their smug feelings of superiority over the rest of us.

You know someone’s oxen are being gored when they roar like their wounded beasts. That is a sure sign that they believe someone else is benefiting at their expense. It is such regarding young women. If they don’t appeal to young men, I say let their parents provide for their own daughters. They made ’em!

And before someone gets all high and mighty on me, I walk my talk. I fully support an unemployed marriage-age daughter of my own.

Suck on THAT lemon, Lamoureux!

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101 comments on “No Money, No Honey, Sonny!
  1. Yoda says:

    Though bad boy types action get they can.

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  2. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    That is salt in an open wound.
    It’s hard wrapping my head around the idea that being poor and, by extenstion, involuntarily celibate, can be seen as a blessing.
    I think that I see “beta bucks” as a not an option for women anymore.

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  3. I can see what you are saying Blurkel.

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  4. blurkel says:

    Master Yoda

    The bad boys of my experience never worried about how they were going to support themselves. They also had the funds to play the games of the bad boy, costumes, gifts, and locations to complete the “seduction”.

    Those I wrote about above have few-to-none of these assets. Without the “proper” clothes, the nice car, and the cash to pay the tab, it usually resulted in the girl quickly finding better options to pursue.

    Skywalker would have had better options with the dianoga in the refuse compactor on the original Death Star.

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  5. I worry about of a lot of these same things…and the future for my kids, and theirs, for sure. The balance sheet is waaay in the red, it’s a big big problem the majority seems to be totally in denial about :/

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  6. Sadly, its not bc the bad boys have the goods, I see girls going for bad boys even if the bad boys are broke and the gal supports them! The dumbo girls barely get a skittle and in return are much more than starfish. The values in our culture are so messed up!

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  7. blurkel says:

    The price for love: $31,500

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  8. And while white knights want to blame the bad boys, IMHO the real people to blame are the nutty women of the past few generations who have steered women so wrong! Instead of telling them to find and honor good men they have been saying, “go for the tingles, girl!”

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  9. blurkel says:

    @Bloom

    The “bad boys” of your example attract Florence Nightingales whose life mission is to rescue someone. The men they find are parasites, willing and able to take all they can get.

    The sort of bad boys to which I refer wouldn’t find such “nurturing” attractive. It would mean surrendering too much control to her – something they can’t give up and still be bad boys.

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  10. And while I rent my property out for weddings, I’d never pay the crazy amount people do for one, even if I did have it! My wedding in 1994 cost $5000 and that included the 7 day cruise honeymoon (which was overpriced.) justice of the peace or Vegas or whatever, that’s the way IMHO 🙂

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  11. blurkel says:

    My 1972 wedding cost about the same amount, and all I got was a rental car for ten days. I did get sea sick flounder fishing!

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  12. I am pretty frugal. I don’t know why people would pay $31k for a wedding, rather than put that down toward a house or something? Or worse they charge the darn wedding!

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I just recalled something from SSM’s old blog. When I protested that bad boys get all the fun and virtuous men come up short, from her corner, I got a very dismissive sentiment.
    It has always been about what women want, when they want it.
    Men don’t count.

    Bloom,
    If it makes you feel any better, MGTOW youtuber Sandman makes his bread and butter money as a photographer shooting weddings.
    BTW, you’re NAWALT.

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  14. blurkel says:

    When my daughter married, her wedding cost about this amount. The groom’s parents generously paid about half, primarily because of family traditions requiring such an expense. She and her hubby paid about a fourth, and I paid the balance. The band worked for scale. Considering they were all Hollywood studio pros this was a bargain! A fair amount was services and supplies donated by friends and family, else it all would have cost even more!

    I would have raised questions about all of this extravagance, but as the father of the bride, my job as to show up and shut up. In order to be able to follow this directive, I was assigned a relatively simple task: planning the Invasion of Normandy. Last I heard, that worked out moderately well for the guy assigned to follow those plans: Eisenhower.

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  15. Tarnished says:

    “Love” is currency-based.

    I wonder if the difference between those who think this⬆, vs those who think it is much more than money, is that the latter type believe in the ideas put forth in love songs?

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  16. Trust me Fuzzie, they make sure I pay in dealing w their nuttiness! The rental fee seems less and less worth it the closer their date gets! 🙂 not always, but most seem to have waaaay too much unnecessary drama and self created stress.

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  17. Tarnished says:

    Were I to have a wedding, I’d want it held at a nice park. Have a small Handfasting ceremony at twilight, under a softly lit gazebo. Then a bonfire with a very small, select few friends and family…no more than 40 people, in all likelihood. Food everyone brought from home, music from anyone who felt like bringing an instrument, drinks me and my beloved bought ourselves.

    Just something memory-full and pleasant. Memories are worth so, so much more than money or big to-do’s. If it’s over $1k, it’s too rich for my blood.

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  18. Tarnished says:

    I have died everyday waiting for you.
    Darling don’t be afraid, I have loved you,
    For a thousand years.
    I’ll love you for a thousand more.

    All along I believed I would find you.
    Time has brought your heart to me.
    I have loved you for a thousand years.
    I’ll love you for a thousand more.

    Is it foolish to believe this can be real? Or to want to work with someone to make it real?

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  19. Yes the small weddings are much better in my experience, 50 guests or less.

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  20. Tarnished says:

    Honestly? Unless I were to invite all of you here, I have trouble coming up with “my” 20 guests. 😅 😆

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  21. I was thinking the same Tarn. I know lots of people but you guys probably know more about me than anyone! 🙂

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I could stop by the zoo and get a few of my buddies out on a day pass. That would be fun!

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  23. blurkel says:

    Is it foolish to believe this can be real?

    Too often, yes.

    Or to want to work with someone to make it real?

    Wanting this is what little girls are raised to do. Marriages would cease without this fantasy embedded in their heads. Those who don’t get these dreams realized blame the boys who weren’t successfully programmed like this. Reality has nothing to do with the process, does it?

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  24. Tarnished says:

    Sounds like fun, Fuzzie. 🙂

    So, you think love is just a fantasy, Blurkel?
    Wanting this is what little girls are raised to do.
    I’m unsure of this. My sisters weren’t raised on love songs and the concept of dual-nuturing like I was by our grandmothers. In fact, one oma was dead and the other in hospice by the time my sisters were of the same age I’d been growing up. They were raised by our mom to believe in being taken care of, not caring about. To look for finances, not a big heart and easy smile. That finding someone who (impossibly) makes you happy 100% of the time + has a big wallet is the way to go, rather than someone who makes you happy 75% of the time + you do the same for them, money be damned.

    Maybe the problem is that the “fantasy” is no longer something actually, physically attainable, but has been twisted into a perversion of grandiose wants that can be sought yet never satisfied.

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  25. blurkel says:

    So, you think love is just a fantasy, Blurkel?

    Too often it is merely self-delusion, an exercise in self-deception which almost always leads to tragedy. “He’ll change if I just love him enough” right before the bullet which kills her hits home is but one outcome.

    My granddaughter isn’t being fed these fantasies by her extended family, but she’s getting them from somewhere. She’s been “marrying” Jake from the Neverland Pirates since she began to talk, for example.

    …wants that can be sought yet never satisfied…

    DEEP! Such thoughts are why addicts are rarely able to get a grip on their lives and end drug use. Or, more in line with this site of ours, many men desire a herd of unicorns, but few get the privilege of merely knowing but one.

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  26. Call me a sucker but I still believe it’s possible, I hope to experience it, to also give it. It’s rare for sure, but I do see it semetimes and that keeps me going.

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  27. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    I like that you are hopeful. It can happen, it’s just that it seems so rare. The boys are gloomy becuse so little is within their ability to effect.

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  28. Tarnished says:

    “He’ll change if I just love him enough”

    No. Not usually.
    Tigers don’t change their stripes, and for the overwhelming majority, people don’t change their personality. It can be done, sure, but that’s almost never.

    Besides, wasting one’s life trying again and again to “fix” someone who doesn’t care to or want to be is just sad. It’s far better to find someone you have no interest in changing because they’re already what you have been looking for and vice versa.

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  29. Agreed Tarn. Changing people doesn’t work. Plus, blech. How disrespectful, “I’d love you if only x,y,z…”

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  30. Farm Boy says:

    Besides, wasting one’s life trying again and again to “fix” someone who doesn’t care to or want to be is just sad. It’s far better to find someone you have no interest in changing because they’re already what you have been looking for and vice versa.

    Why can’t most women make sense like you?

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  31. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    While things are a little quiet on the thread, I’ll throw in something off topic. I had heard that in Eastern Europe there were PUA schools for women. The goal is marriage and not short term but, it does stand conventional Western thought on its head.

    About Russia, I had heard that half the alcoholic beverages consumed are consumed in Russia, population 144 million.

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  32. Tarnished says:

    *shrug*
    Don’t know, FB. Perhaps nobody ever told them that if they want a big dog, it’s much easier to adopt a Great Dane pup and nuture it than to adopt a Spaniel and hope/pray it gets bigger?
    I mean, common sense, people…Humans are the same.

    Agreed, Bloom.
    I look at myself and can readily see numerous flaws. I have a Type A personality, and can’t go more than a few minutes without needing to know what time it is. I get impatient with dumb people (not actual special ed folks, just Stupids). I still can’t abide most touch, and have a lot of difficulty with public affection. I need time by myself everyday to recharge/center, which can sometimes come off as being deliberately antisocial. I am constantly perturbed and slightly dismayed by the fact I care about others emotions/happiness much more than they care about mine, and it gets me depressed once in a while. I also never learned to type, absolutely hate most Indian food, and despise having my picture taken.

    See? Lots of flaws. BUT! They are a part of what makes me, me…the same as yours make you, you. Or Fuzzie, Blurkel, FB, Cill, Spawny, Liz have their own that are a part of them. People *aren’t* perfect. We can’t be. Giving someone an ultimatum of “I could really give you all my love if you only went from abc to being xyz” is essentially saying you don’t love them, flaws and all.

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  33. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie…that video! Those shoes! I call those “velociraptor shoes”, because they make you walk on your toes like a frickin dinosaur or something.

    Last time I wore footwear like that, I fell on my ass in my college parking lot and slid a few feet on a bunch of wet leaves. Gods, it was hysterical…we laughed for nearly 10 straight minutes! And then I put on *real* shoes. Lol.

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  34. Yet for some reason Tarn, people go for the the “if only” deal every darn day. Sad. The “if only” thing is a trap, a power play where everyone loses…

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  35. Spawny Get says:

    “the same as yours make you, you. Or Fuzzie, Blurkel, FB, Cill, Spawny”…*car crash sound*

    Wait! What? What flaws? You completely lost me at ‘Spawny’ in that context. Just bizarre

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  36. We have a lot in common Tarn, and some differences. I like Indian food, in small doses. 🙂 I am type B, always losing track of time. The rest pretty much the same. Lol.

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  37. Oh and I like to snuggle w people I want to snuggle w, otherwise I have a big bubble and am not a “hugger.”

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  38. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I have more than enough trouble walking ti boots with riding heels.
    It is a little upside down, isn’t it? Russian girls putting themselves out there to be noticed.
    Wouldn’t it be nice if both boys and girls took it upon themselves to meet in the middle?

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  39. I also tolerate stupid more than I should, hoping they will “see the light.” I am getting less so…

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  40. Spawny Get says:

    Also, ‘Stupids’ is not acceptable. PC alternatives include:

    Person Of Restricted Intellect

    Hard Of Thinking

    Plonker – Person of Little Or No Knowledge ‘er

    Chimps – Completely Hopeless In Most Practical Situations

    Butterbrain – but her brain

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  41. The Russian female pua thing was interesting, I do a lot of that naturally, except the towering heels! Lol.

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  42. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    I am glad that you can see value in Steady Eddy.

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  43. Liz says:

    “And while I rent my property out for weddings, I’d never pay the crazy amount people do for one, even if I did have it! My wedding in 1994 cost $5000 and that included the 7 day cruise honeymoon (which was overpriced.) justice of the peace or Vegas or whatever, that’s the way IMHO”

    We eloped and got married on the beach with no guests. I had a nice dress though (600 dollars for the silk and stuff, haute couture). Payless shoes I threw away five minutes after.
    I saved the dress in case I had a daughter, but never did. Maybe a daughter in law will want it someday (if it’s still in any shape to be used, it’s at Mom’s).

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  44. Liz says:

    That quote from the Chinese couple was interesting. I didn’t know things had changed that much in China. I’m not sure it’s such a question of resources, because sons have been prefered (to the point of mass abortions and “lost girl” infant abandonment) up until present day in China, and surely there are more resources for couples in China now than a generation or two back?

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  45. Liz says:

    I like that Butterbrain one especially, Swithy. 😀

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  46. SFC Ton says:

    Off topic but real damn hateful when you think about it

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24488/

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  47. SFC Ton says:

    Bad boys speak to hard core survival tingles. As I have covered before. Sort of like a weird take on the strength to say fuck you social expectations equals survive the up coming chimpout

    Everything in the smp is a proxy for violence and strength and folks know deep down tough times are around the corner. Women are responding with their primitive monkey brains. Not a slam on the gals either. Men are doing the same

    Remember we are biological robots with an ancient and outdated operating system. Very few people get past that operating system

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  48. SFC Ton says:

    Love is a lie but if you throw her on the bed a few times a day with a smile on your face, use lots of playful physical domination during the day, paint her back porch red and take her to pound town she’ll keep that lie going indefinitely

    Trick is for the man to understand it is something primal and unthinking with her and 100% engineered by him

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  49. SFC Ton says:

    Ps don’t forget the dread. Rarely tell her directly she is in a secure relationship and what not

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  50. Tarnished says:

    Spawny, your flaw is that you spell things with extra “u”‘s. Not your fault, of course…I blame the French. But alas, it’s there. Luckily you share it with a lot of your countrymen, so it goes relatively unnoticed. 😉 😀

    Liz, that wedding idea sounds good too.

    Bloom, work in mass market retail for a bit. You’ll soon understand that, for some people, the only light they see is the sun in the sky or the bulb in their fridge. Any mental “light bulbs” they might’ve had blew out a loooong time ago. Just ask the 30-something guy who “accidentally” put a piece of toast (not bread, toast!) into his Xbox360 tray, then attempted to use a flame-heated hacksaw to open it when the tray “didn’t work”. After dealing with this customer, I had to go in the back to cry for a bit…and I honestly couldn’t tell you if my tears were from laughter or the total abject brain injury of speaking to him. Oy vey.

    Fuzzie, that would be nice. How does one spread this message to the non-braindead segments of the masses?

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  51. Yoda says:

    Perhaps nobody ever told them that if they want a big dog, it’s much easier to adopt a Great Dane pup

    Sometimes get a talking Great Dane one does,

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  52. Yoda says:

    Spawny, your flaw is that you spell things with extra “u”‘s. Not your fault, of course…I blame the French.

    Always about the Norman invaders it is.

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  53. SFC Ton says:

    We here on this side of the pond use to use the extra u’s as well. That was changed deliberately as an assault on the South. We were the only ones still doing it and still pretty much of founding ie British stock.

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  54. Liz says:

    “Off topic but real damn hateful when you think about it

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24488/

    What we have here is a bunch of parasites who serve no useful purpose whatsoever and have to justify their existence by coming up with new and creative ways to prove their relevancy so they can continue to receive funding, primarily from the very people they criticize and have the highest contempt for.
    Really puts the cough in Kafka. Jesus. When can we start shooting?

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  55. Liz says:

    I love the part about Trump.
    Supporters of presidential candidate Donald Trump say like they him for “not being politically correct,” but what they really mean is they like him “for saying racist and sexist comments,” Katz added.

    No, people like Trump because he calls stupid people stupid and fat bitches fat. How refreshing is that?

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  56. Spawny Get says:

    I would give you a knuckle bump, Ton. But, I like my hand as it is, so I won’t. Cheers, though.

    Tarn, you lot specialise in using Zs (ZEDs) everywhere. What what reason I haven’t even a theory. Then the victimisation of Ys…why? No wonder your programmes (oh yes – programmes on TV) have so many car crashes. You refuse to fit your cars with tyres on the discs that contact the roadway (adjacent to the path where the peeps perambulate peripatetically in safety). You lot probably call those discs weelz, or some-such…IDK

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  57. Yoda says:

    Wonder how much of job market for male women’s studies graduates there is I do…

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  58. Liz says:

    “Wonder how much of job market for male women’s studies graduates there is I do…”

    Guy in the link, quite a market he has.

    From his bio: “In 1993 he co-founded the Mentors in Violence Prevention (MVP) program at Northeastern University’s Center for the Study of Sport in Society. The mixed-gender, multiracial MVP program is one of the longest-running and most widely influential sexual and relationship abuse prevention programs in high schools, colleges, sports culture and the military in North America and beyond. MVP introduced the “bystander” approach to the gender violence prevention field; Katz is one of the key architects of this now broadly popular approach. In 1997 Katz created and directed the first worldwide gender violence prevention program in the history of the U.S. Marine Corps. He and his colleagues have been centrally involved in the development and implementation of system-wide bystander intervention training in the U.S. Air Force and Navy. MVP has also worked with the U.S. Army on bases in the States and overseas in Iraq. Katz’s award-winning educational videos Tough Guise and Tough Guise 2, his featured appearances in the films Wrestling With Manhood, Spin The Bottle, Miss Representation and The Mask You Live In, and his thousands of lectures in North America and overseas have brought his insights into issues of gender and violence to millions of college and high school students as well as professionals in education, human services, public health and law enforcement.

    His TED talk, “Violence against Women is a Men’s Issue,” has been viewed more than 2.5 million times. He is the author of an influential book entitled The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help, and Leading Men: Presidential Campaigns and the Politics of Manhood”

    The question I’m curious about is: How much has this crap cost the taxpayers both directly and indirectly?

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  59. Yoda says:

    The question I’m curious about is: How much has this crap cost the taxpayers both directly and indirectly?

    And then there is the damage that done he has.

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  60. Yoda says:

    e mixed-gender, multiracial MVP program is one of the longest-running and most widely influential sexual and relationship abuse prevention programs in high schools, colleges, sports culture and the military in North America and beyond

    If this raises the BS alarm not,
    then dead you might be.

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  61. Liz says:

    “And then there is the damage that done he has.”

    Yes. I’d put that under ‘indirect’ cost.

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  62. SFC Ton says:

    There is good money in selling out White men. Ask like damn near every business in america

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  63. “There is good money in selling out…”

    Until there’s not…

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  64. Spawny Get says:

    Watch to the end and hear evidence that MGTOW behaviour has an evolutionary basis.

    Great video, not sure that I agree with his decision to break from the manosphere, but then I don’t have any expectations of the other branches within the manosphere (other than fucking things up for femeroids in their own way). I also think that PUA and MRA are natural routes to MGTOW if the men involved are given time. BUT, he makes a great point over why it’s important that the MGTOW philosophy retains it’s separate voice (so effoff avfm and effoff the latest nouveau neo-masculinity bollocks from the roosh types).

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  65. Tarnished says:

    Tarn, you lot specialise in using Zs (ZEDs) everywhere. What what reason I haven’t even a theory. Then the victimisation of Ys…

    Lol. If I ever come visit you, I’m bringing a little stack of post-it notes with me. Every morning your toaster will have a random “properly” spelled word stuck to it.

    Why?
    Because. 😛

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  66. Tarnished says:

    so effoff avfm and effoff the latest nouveau masculinity bollocks from the roosh types

    Oh, yes. Hear, hear!
    👏👏👏👏

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  67. Yoda says:

    Dads important they can be

    OBAMA IGNORES THE OBVIOUS IN OREGON: YET ANOTHER FATHERLESS KILLER
    barack obamaPete Souza/Instagram
    by THOMAS D. WILLIAMS, PH.D.
    3 Oct 2015
    1,075
    How President Barack Obama and countless other politicians and pundits can fail to grasp—or be unwilling to confront—the obvious connection between the breakdown of American family life and a rise in violent crime is a mystery deserving examination.

    For example, after Thursday’s Oregon mass shooting, Obama predictably focused attention on the availability of firearms on America, calling on citizens to pressure legislators to enact gun control laws.

    “The reporting is routine. My response here at this podium ends up being routine,” Obama said in a remarkably lucid moment of his speech.

    What Obama did not say in his impassioned address, what would have truly been a break in the “routine” and rhetoric that inevitably follow tragedies involving firearms, was that 26-year-old shooter Chris Harper Mercer was the umpteenth example of a fatherless boy who grows up to be a violent criminal.

    It is, of course, much easier to blame guns for our problems than to address the underlying causes of American violence. For one thing, gun control is a popular, quick fix. All it takes is a law and legislators can pat themselves on the back for having “dealt with” the problem.

    Fatherlessness, on the other hand, is a trickier affair that requires more complicated and unpopular solutions, such as dealing with America’s ridiculously lax no-fault divorce laws and a culture that privileges independence over personal responsibility.

    And no one wants to face the ugly truth that our current redefinition of marriage from its historical identity as the union of one man and one woman has effectively made the role of fathers optional. By putting the desires of adults above the needs of children, we inadvertently feed the fire of violent crime.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/03/barack-obama-ignores-obvious-yet-another-fatherless-killer/

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  68. Spawny Get says:

    So now you want to victimise my touaster?

    (yes, I did just make that word up)

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  69. Spawny Get says:

    If you’re absolutely determined to disappoint Unca Spawny by refusing to watch the whole thing…as usual (the disappointment, I mean)…at least watch it from 23:30. Where you will get an immediate laugh, followed by the money-shot of why MGTOW is here to stay.

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  70. Tarnished says:

    No. I want to victimize your toaster.

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  71. thedeti says:

    “So what are today’s young women to do? They are going to have to learn to share. Monogamy is going to die off due to economic necessity. The likes of employed white knights like Mack Lamoureux are going to have to step up and fill the breech, so to speak. Let’s see what manlier men they are in defense of unmarried women who need economic support from a man. If they can manage one, certainly they can manage two or more. The men of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints have been doing this for quite a while now”

    It remains to be seen what will happen in the years to come. This is probably one scenario , where one man takes two “wives” (or a wife and a concubine). Wealthy men, good looking men, and men of “means” will do this, quite likely. And it will be more or less in the open, with the man having sex with a wife (who bears him kids and cares for his house) and a sidepiece or two (who he fucks and plays with, and supports a little bit).

    What I think is more likely is women just living alone and having sex partners, and accepting sex and financial support from wherever they can get it. I think marriage, as in one man one woman for life, is probably going to go by the wayside eventually, until things right themselves. Men who are attractive enough will start hogging all the women again. Men who are not attractive (the bottom 80%) will get nothing, and will subsist on prostitutes and porn. Most of these men aren’t going to produce anything, or will produce just enough to support themselves. Look for more of these bottom 80% men getting vasectomies or vasalgel when it becomes more widely available. The economy will absolutely crater, and we’ll unfortunately slide back into a Middle ages type feudal oligarchal society in which the rich, well off ruling class reigns over the serfs and peons. Most families will consist of single mothers living together with their respective children. Men are either ruling class wealthy men, mating partners for the women (the top 20% of men), with the vast majority being cannon fodder and low paid manual or technical laborers (the bottom 80%).

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  72. thedeti says:

    And as long as we’re being glib with “No money, no honey, Sonny!”

    Try these on for size:

    Don’t spend money on a woman you’re not banging.

    No lay, no pay. No fucks, no bucks. No sex, no checks.

    Don’t argue with a woman you’re not banging.

    No ass, no sass. No orgasm, no sarcasm. No bag, no nag.

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  73. Spawny Get says:

    Aside from specific spelling errors

    vis ‘No sex, no checks’

    that’ll be ‘cheques’

    very good rules to live by.

    No real reward, no favours (not talking about sex, just fair trading). No pussy pass on fair trading + ensure there will be a trade with women before doing any favours. Don’t let women take the proverbial (aka the piss)

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  74. Spawny Get says:

    One for Tarn in particular

    The views on expressed on HBD are highly compatible with mine. Takes a while to get there though

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  75. Spawny Get says:

    p.s.
    go ahead, make my touaster’s day. I double dare you.

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  76. Spawny Get says:

    Anyone from the Antipodes out there?

    Just started watching ‘ The Dead Lands’. Any good?

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  77. Sumo says:

    Off topic but real damn hateful when you think about it

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24488/

    What the fuck did I just read?

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  78. Yoda says:

    Busy she was,

    http://www.airlive.net/2015/10/news-flight-attendant-reportedly-made.html

    An air hostess reportedly earned around £650,000 over a two year period by having sex with plane passengers in the toilet.
    The scale of the woman’s ‘business’ only came to light when she was caught in the lavatory recently, and she was subsequently sacked.
    It is reported that she was working for an airline in the Middle East.

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  79. Spawny Get says:

    Sumo,

    I’d love a diagnosis of what the fuck is wrong with those pussies. How do they get such a sick view of normal masculinity?

    As bad as these wankers.

    How does any healthy being become such a cringing horror that even Gollum would shun as a threat to his self respect to hang out with?

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  80. Sumo says:

    I’d love a diagnosis of what the fuck is wrong with those pussies. How do they get such a sick view of normal masculinity?

    First guess would be that the football team, or rugby team for the produce section (produce – limeys & kiwis. Get it?) picked on them in high school, so this is their way of getting back at those mean ol’ masculine types.

    I was literally only able to watch 30 seconds of that vid, noble patriarch. ‘Twas all I could do to refrain from hurling my iPad across the room.

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  81. Spawny Get says:

    If you wish to revivify your undoubted masculinity, you might do worse than watch the film I mentioned above; The Dead Lands. A Maori sort of adult, dark fairy tale crossed with Mel Gibson’s Aztec (?) Film. I’m sure I missed some of the significance while reading the subtitles, but it was good. Free on Amazon Prime over ere

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  82. Spawny Get says:

    Triggered by the video made by the Wimpy Tosserfarians above, was this version…

    Featuring such gems as ‘Pelty Bush’, this one should raise a smile.

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  83. Spawny Get says:

    I liked the film more than the trailer…

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  84. Yoda says:

    No Money, No Honey, Sonny!

    Still make honey Sonny can.

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  85. Spawny Get says:

    Ho, ho, ho
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/10/06/ban-white-men-student-officer-summoned-court/
    Mustapha Bhaji is in court for #KillAllMen

    The “Welfare and Diversity” officer for Goldsmiths University Student Union (SU), who made national headlines earlier in the year for banning white men from public events and tweeting “#killallwhitemen”, has been summoned to court.

    According to a statement from the Metropolitan Police released this afternoon:

    “A woman interviewed under caution regarding a complaint of racially motivated malicious communication made on a social media network has been summonsed to court.”

    Bahar Mustafa, 27, will appear at Bromley Magistrates Court “regarding a complaint of racially motivated malicious communication made of a social network” to answer the charges of:

    “Sending letter / communication / article conveying a threatening message between 10 November 2014 and 31 May 2015.

    “Sending by public communication network an offensive / indecent / obscene / menacing message / matter between 10 November 2014 and 31 May 2015.”

    It is likely that she will be charged under section 127 of the Communications Act of 2003, which pertains to communication on a public network.

    In May, on a Facebook post promoting an event about diversity and discrimination in higher education, she allegedly wrote:

    “Invite loads of BME Women and non-binary people!! Also, if you’ve been invited and you’re a man and/or white PLEASE DON’T COME just cos I invited a bunch of people and hope you will be responsible enough to respect this is a BME Women and non-binary event only.”

    She also wrote, “OMG… Kill them all. What’s wrong with white people?” and “#killallwhitemen” on Facebook.

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  86. Yoda says:

    Direct 2 Drive, an online games retailer, has adopted the PR strategy of the moment: relentless mockery of hand-wringing social justice warriors on the web.

    D2D recently launched a tongue-in-cheek “Trigger Warning Week,” a limited offer of 50 – 80% discounts off gaming’s “most inclusive, diverse, and empowering titles.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/10/06/online-retailer-direct-2-drive-trolls-social-justice-warriors/

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  87. Tarnished says:

    Spawny,

    I actually watched that MGTOW video today. I enjoyed it, though it isn’t the shortest one out there.

    Oh, don’t worry. Someday your touaster will rue the day it met me. And by “rue” I mean it’ll wake up with a note saying “favorite” or “color” on it. I’ll certainly feel very foolish if I were to cross the pond only to find you don’t own a toaster though…or if it gets hidden somewhere. *narrows eyes at Spawny suspiciously*

    No lay, no pay.
    No fucks, no bucks.
    No sex, no checks.
    No ass, no sass.
    No orgasm, no sarcasm.
    No bag, no nag.

    Why is a female-type who prefers a Lay-For-Lay arrangement over a Lay-For-Pay one so difficult to find, in general?

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  88. Tarnished says:

    Yoda at 11:40pm,

    That link is AMAZING.

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  89. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post

    Like

  90. Spawny Get says:

    Mustapha Bhaji…Cill would laugh, just saying.

    I have a toaster…somewhere. Took down a wall in the kitchen over the weekend, the house is somewhat discombobulated at the moment. Toaster is MIA

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  91. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    SFC Ton,
    I think that I remember reading about that seminar at Vanderbilt. I could be wrong but, I think it was a week long event doing nothing but man bashing that was required for men to attend.
    This is sick. We can’t send boys to college anymore.

    Spoawny Get,
    That is good news about that “diversity officer”. While she would have been protected by the First Amendment here, she had to know that she was in violation there.
    I will watch the video. Food is cooking.
    Sad news. Microsoft dropped British English as a language pack tears ago. They still differentiate beteen Brazilian and Prtuguese Potuguese. Go figure.
    “Who will protect us?” That is the downside of the single lifestyle, Lady.
    As harsh as Deti’s reasoning is, it has merit for overused Steady Eddies.

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  92. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    You had a a question upthread about how to get boys and girls to meet somewhere in the middle.
    I’ll keep that one at the back of my mind.
    Right now, I am watching miniseries on youtube dealing with WWII. The Nazis failed to kill all the Jews and they comprised two percent of the population. What are the fembots thinking when they are going after men who ccomprise fifty percent of the populatin and doo all the dirty work?
    I am so angry. Watching this helps when I feel that way. It’s hard to put together forty bronze Napoleons.

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  93. Tarnished says:

    Don’t worry, Spawny.
    If your poor toaster remains missing, I’ll just buy you a new one. Paid for by “cheque”, of course. 😉

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  94. Farm Boy says:

    Sad news. Microsoft dropped British English as a language pack tears ago.

    The Queen dropped the ball on this one.

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  95. Liz says:

    Fuzzie: “SFC Ton,
    I think that I remember reading about that seminar at Vanderbilt. I could be wrong but, I think it was a week long event doing nothing but man bashing that was required for men to attend.
    This is sick. We can’t send boys to college anymore.”

    This is exactly what pisses me off. And they’re starting this or highschools too. And (linked earlier) this has been mandatory “sensitivity training” in the military for quite some time. That government teat was the first to flow, the politicans like their warriors to be sensitive.
    But it’s all part of the big picture. Power and control.
    Watch as cops that try to keep public order to stop mobs from looting and burning get jeered and shot as politicians and media cheer it all on.
    But cops serving no-knock warrants with dreams of asset forfeiture because a paid snitch (maybe) claimed there was a little bag of pot in the house get no attention at all.

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  96. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    The thicker they lay it on, the easier it is to slough off. They are piling the effluvium so heavily that even a moron will see it for what it is.

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  97. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    I watched the video. We’re too small to consider division. We need to be unitive.
    That stupid Paul Elam! Who knows where we would be had he not done the PIGTOW video.

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  98. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie.
    Agreed regarding the attempt to grab MGTOW. Completely unnecessary. Bound to create division.

    The video here https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2015/10/06/no-money-no-honey-sonny/comment-page-1/#comment-36946 was very good. CS seems to be a black Nigerian immigrant to the UK. Smart guy with a good eye. I’d already watched a few videos with him in them. I shall make a habit of it.

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