Socialism and its Discontents


One of the goals of socialism was/is to destroy the family.  Even though the family was pretty darn effective for raising children to be functional adults, it had to go.  A primary reason stated was that not all families are equal; some are more effective than others, some are more wealthy than others, etc.  Another reason was that for socialism to have a chance to work in society as a whole, the one place where it does have a chance of working must be eliminated.

Consider the socialist Israeli Kibbutz.  From the book “Heaven on Earth” by Joshua Muravchik comes the story about a Kibbutz’ rise and fall.

Here in contrast, in a brotherly  and nurturing environment, children were raised to socialism from their infancy.  It was largely in order to bring them up to be good socialists that they lived together in children’s homes, rather than sleeping in their parent’s cottages.  “The child-parent link was deliberately downgraded”, says Israeli author Danel Gavron in his highly sympathetic study.  The community’s strict rules of equality were engined of socialization, and the lessons were reinforced by classroom instruction in the values of the kibbutz.

Yet the results  disappointed.  As Gavron explains,

For seventy years, the kibbutz as an institution exerted unprecedented influence over its members.  No totalitarian regime ever exercised such absolute control over its citizens as the free, voluntary, democratic kibbutz exercised over its members.  It organized every facet of their lives: their accommodations, their work, their health, their leisure, their culture, their food, their clothing, their vacations, their hobbies, and — above all — the education and upbringing of their children. Despite these optimal conditions, those who grew up in the new environment were not imbued with communal and egalitarian values.

In the end, rebellion against communal childrearing constituted the first major breakdown in the kibbutz system.  Increasingly, the demand was heard for children to sleep in their parent’s homes.Those who voiced it were normally young mothers.  Most kibbutz  raised children spoke warmly of their upbringing, yet these same individuals upon reaching adulthood did not want to raise their children in the same fashion.  

We see here the desire to destroy the family unit in an attempt to make socialism work as a whole.  Notice that it was not successful.  Also notice that it was not for lack of trying.  The people who joined these kibbutz’ were deeply committed to socialism.

Here in the Western world, people have been trying to destroy marriage, primarily as a prelude to trying to force such a utopia on non-committed forced-to-be-socialists.  Probably it won’t work in the future either.

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107 comments on “Socialism and its Discontents
  1. Farm Boy says:

    They must destroy Socialism in the only place where it has a chance to work (marriage), in order to try to built it in society.

    Of course, human nature gets in the way. With Socialism, it always does.

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  2. When I worked in San Francisco I had several coworkers raised in hippie communes. They were not to pro about that method of child rearing either.

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    This is a new viewpoint for me. I had heard that the kibbutz system fell apart because all the profit was held in common and reinvested. The kibbutzniks never saw their own money.
    Easier to work for wages.

    Another thought. Communism under lenin came close to destroying families. While it may be painful to praise Stalin, he did have to industrialize a huge agricultural nation. In WWI, they could only produce three bullets per soldier. For WWII they had to produce a lot more. From a purely pragmatic standpoint, families consume less resources to raise kids.

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  4. Farm Boy says:

    It looks like YouTube took down most of the English South Park clips, but here is an appropriate one in Spanish.

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  5. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Today, it”s South Park videos. Tomorrow, it may be bear videos. I’ll have to start looking for foreign language bear videos.

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder which are cuter: Puppies or bear cubs?

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  7. SFC Ton says:

    Which one is wrapped in bacon and smothered in homemade bbq sauce?

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  8. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Why choose? Here’s both in the same video.

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The tirle of this post reminds me of something a lady blogger said. It was along the lines of “Freminists want socialism for women and for men to work very hard and pay lots of taxes.”The wouldn’t fly for very long, would it, Wilbur?

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  10. Liz says:

    I’m not sure they were looking for equality so much as fealty to the governing body. Family loyality and cohesion detracts from loyalty to the collective. The easier to indoctrinate them.

    All I learned about the Amish I learned from watching the movie ‘Witness’, but it seems to me they had aspects of socialism too. But they had a very different setup and fealty is to God and family and community cohesion are not only accepted they are integral. Monestaries/Abbies were communal and they worked for centuries. They still do, in many places around the world.

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  11. BuenaVista says:

    Liz, I think that’s a misunderstanding. The Amish are aggressively capitalist: they have strict opinions about private property, and there are wealthy and poor Amish living in the same community.

    Because they are devoted to the notion of private property, and because they have so many children, Amish communities constantly outgrow their colonies and press outward to establish new ones where families live near one another — but with their own farms and businesses. If they were a sharing, socialist population, this wouldn’t be necessary.

    They do function as their own safety net, and function communally as a kind of mutual insurance society. Unlike socialist coercion, however, no government or administrative body disintermediates family loyalties and structures, and the voluntary association of neighbors.

    I grew up 15 miles from a major Amish and Mennonite settlement. I often stay there when I’m visiting my folks. There might be some things of interest here:

    http://www.kalonaiowa.org/culture.htm

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  12. Liz says:

    Thanks for the link, BV. I guess I was misled by the barn raising scene in the movie Witness. FWIW, there was a Mennonite contributor to my old forum (a mod as well) and he was a very collectivist, socialist minded person…so much so I got the impression this was a common theme among them (along with pacifism). He’s also one of the most generous, best people I’ve known. He is, and was truly sincere about it.

    Anecdote: Also met a woman on a plane who made huge impression on me, last name Stong. She has lots of stories of sneaking bibles into Eastern Germany when the wall was up and her family was stationed overseas. She was not Amish but lived around them and they used to trade pies for rides to town in her car. She had a huge family, something like eight sons and a few daughters. At the time I met her, her youngest granddaughter had just finished college. This woman looked at LEAST 20 years younger than she actually was. Her husband was in Nigeria then, building a bridge for the community over there. This is him:

    http://www.theguadalajarareporter.com/news/news/featured-news/28920-environmentalist-todd-stong-sees-aqueduct-as-positive-move

    Of course, the military too has communal/collectivist/socialist aspects to it.

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  13. Liz says:

    Just reading the article I posted…I guess she didn’t have 8 sons, they had 7 kids so probably 5 sons. I know they all went into engineering (and I think they too were military if memory serves). 29 grandkids!!

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  14. Reposted from the other thread:

    The idea of socialism can come off like a warm fuzzy bunny, harmless and good. But then you find out later the bunny has rabies. The idea of a collective and safety nets for all being safer is easily sold, especially to those who need them. But in reality such systems depend on everyone participating being inherently good and not taking advantage, which clearly is not the case. And of course it also depends on the idea that the sole purpose of the governing body is the welfare of its citizens, not deep pockets or personal interests. All that said, I am not so sure the current cash is king model is working either. Campaign $$$ reform would help far more in getting us back to our roots, IMHO.

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  15. Yoda says:

    FuzzieWuzzieBear inspired this post he did.
    Wondered why people interested in destroying marriage there were.

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  16. Liz says:

    “Pro-socialism selfies are not.
    Perhaps ghost of Marx it is.”

    Could weed out the dumbest and most narcissistic though.
    In a system that penalizes accomplishment this just might be a good thing.

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  17. I wonder what the marriage/divorce rates are in docialist countries?

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  18. Socialist I mean…

    Let’s take Denmark, for example. Supposedly the highest quality of life in the world. They give couples a full year off paid when they have a child, mom and dad both. How do they keep baby momma’s from milking that? What values must exist to keep the gravy train mentality in check?

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  19. Liz says:

    “The idea of a collective and safety nets for all being safer is easily sold, especially to those who need them. But in reality such systems depend on everyone participating being inherently good and not taking advantage, which clearly is not the case. And of course it also depends on the idea that the sole purpose of the governing body is the welfare of its citizens, not deep pockets or personal interests. All that said, I am not so sure the current cash is king model is working either. Campaign $$$ reform would help far more in getting us back to our roots, IMHO.”

    Post from back in band camp. I think it applies here. Response on a collectivist versus individuality themed topic, after one poster asserts that collectivism is key because “functioning human society is by definition a collection of people working together collectively toward common survival” :

    “aaaannnnnd (person’s name) solves the entire problem, answers the question, puts paid to the topic. Because a functioning human society is by definition a collection of people working together collectively toward common survival, then of course collectivism is the only way to achieve a functioning human society.

    (seems like a pretty self-serving definition from the collectivists, eh?)

    Sorry, but that definition may be of a functioning human society, but it sounds a lot more like a functioning ant society.

    A functioning human society does not require anybody to be working collectively (in the sense of this thread). Nor does it require that they work collectively toward common survival. Both are frequently the case, but not always, or even most of the time.

    The key component of a “functioning human society” is one thing. You can see it, experience it, share it, give it and recieve it, simply by driving in to work on the freeway Monday morning.

    It’s not greed.

    It’s not self-interest.

    It’s not love for your fellow man.

    It’s trust.

    When you get onto that freeway, in your 1.5-2.5 ton cage of glass and steel, you are trusting that the other hundreds, even thousands of drivers in their steel cages hurtling along at speeds that would have been incomprehensible to our Founders, you are trusting that they, for whatever reasons unknown to you, are going to behave in X fashion, and not Y. Nobody is driving (“working”) collectively on the freeway towards a common goal. Similar goals, sure. Shared “rules of the road”, yes. But each is going to their own destination for their own reasons, not the collectives.

    The freeway illustrates perfectly the yin/yang of human society. It doesn’t work when individualism runs rampant. Conversely, nobody can use it when collectivism is the only game in town, because now ya gotta ride the bus, not drive the freeway. Public transportation, which only goes where the collective decides it goes, when the collective decides, at the collective’s pace.

    The “collectivism good, individualism bad” (or visa versa) formulation is useless save for illustrating the risks of too much of either. The question really is, how much of each, and what are the mechanisms we have for articulating and maintaining them at their “proper” levels. And those “proper” levels go back to “define a functioning society”, i.e., what are the values of the society.

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  20. Liz says:

    “Let’s take Denmark, for example. Supposedly the highest quality of life in the world. They give couples a full year off paid when they have a child, mom and dad both. How do they keep baby momma’s from milking that? What values must exist to keep the gravy train mentality in check?”

    Depends on the values of that society. Now that immigrants are pouring in, it’s going to be a complete nightmare (it already is).

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  21. Liz says:

    Sorry, didn’t notice the last question in the line there Bloom…Which values? Different ones from the immigrants obviously.

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  22. Liz says:

    Unit cohesion and sense of responsibility for one’s community, respect for others in the community, things that cultivate interdependence and trust.

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  23. When I heard of the one year off for both parents thing I thought what a great idea, for the family. The goal of it is to promote good family bonding, and apparently to promote couples becoming parents there which was apparently not happening enough to replace population. I remember thinking how it could never work here, because people would milk that and have baby after baby and never work again. I wonder what community value or stopgap prevents that from happening in Denmark? Shame? Or judgement from the community? Or maybe there’s some rule you can only tap the benifit so often or something? I am curious…

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  24. Yoda says:

    Some things, best collectively they are done.
    Other things, not so much.
    If the need for collectivism is obvious not,
    best to avoid it would be.

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  25. Liz says:

    I don’t know, Bloom. I know that Italy has one of the most generous packages in all of the EU for maternity leave and as a result employers avoid hiring women of childbearing age, or keep them at part time or perhaps pay them under the table off the record…they do whatever needs to be done to avoid having to hire with those benefits, for that reason. It’s a pretty crushing policy in Italy. In Germany (before immigrants anyway) probably not so much. Pride and work ethic are major players too I’m sure.

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  26. BuenaVista says:

    “I guess I was misled by the barn raising scene in the movie Witness.”

    Prior to industrial agriculture, my non-Amish (Norwegian and German) forbears would pitch in as neighbors for such things as barn raisings, house framings, harvesting. If a farmer dies now at harvest, his neighbors will all drive over in their combines and clean the fields, drive the grain to the elevator. So basically, this is how farmers have always functioned. Obviously the community atomizes now as industrial ag farms become huge, and operated by a handful of people on huge pieces of equipment.

    With the monopoly control held by railroads in the late 19th century, the prairie populist movement gave rise to the farm co-operative movement, in which farmers erected their own elevator at the railroad siding and sold their cash grains to an entity they owned that would more fairly price and deliver them. This co-op structure exists today, but this doesn’t make farmers collectivists. They vote about 80% right wing where I am living.

    My grandfather managed a bank in a small town in Iowa for 50 years. There were two families that owned banks in the Depression. The competitor bank’s family became extremely wealthy during the depression as they moved to aggressively seize immediately the ground any farmer fell behind on. The family that owned my grandfather’s bank, again, very conservative, U. Chicago educated, former Chicago Fed, etc. refused to seize any land at all — a financially illiterate thing to do. However, I was talking to an old-timer in bar once and he told me this story — and how it redounds to the bank’s reputation 80 years later.

    So what the Amish are doing now, from one perspective, is practicing mainstream agriculture circa 1910 or so. Also, the communitarian impulse need not be confused with coercive collectivism.

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  27. BuenaVista says:

    “Campaign $$$ reform would help far more in getting us back to our roots, IMHO.”

    The USA spends less on presidential campaigns than it does on Halloween candy. Since advocacy money is just speech, and we don’t spend very much on political speech, I’d suggest some other opportunities for reform. Some of them might not require ditching the First Amendment.

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  28. Liz says:

    Thanks for the response, BV. Interesting stuff.

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  29. BuenaVista says:

    Michael Booth pretty much exploded the myth of the Happy Dane, in a book earlier this year. Here’s the opening to his The Atlantic piece on the subject. Link at bottom.

    Summary: Denmark is a land of radical, depressive and depressing, egalitarianism.

    Danish author Askel Sandemose’s works are little read in his home country these days—except, that is, for a small fragment of one novel, A Fugitive Crosses His Tracks, published in 1933.

    The fragment of A Fugitive that has come both to define and to torment the Danes is a list of rules by which the residents of the fictional town of Jante were said to abide. These rules set out the Law of Jante, a kind of Danish Ten Commandments, the social norms one should be aware of if one is planning a move to the north:

    You shall not believe that you are someone.
    You shall not believe that you are as good as we are.
    You shall not believe that you are any wiser than we are.
    You shall never indulge in the conceit of imagining that you are better than we are.
    You shall not believe that you know more than we do.
    You shall not believe that you are more important than we are.
    You shall not believe that you are going to amount to anything.
    You shall not laugh at us.
    You shall not believe that anyone cares about you.
    You shall not believe that you can teach us anything.

    The truth is, Sandemose really nailed the Danes. My experience has been that Jante Law, which has become a national social manifesto of sorts, operates everywhere in Denmark on some level or another.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/the-danish-dont-have-the-secret-to-happiness/384930/

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  30. BuenaVista says:

    Liz, If you’re interested in this populism stuff, which I am because it presented the first coherent and practical alternative to Big Finance, while retaining the bedrock values of an individualized independence and financial agency, I recommend:

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Populist-Moment-History-Agrarian/dp/0195024176.

    Today, our elites and their sycophants, the media, use the term ‘populist’ in a frequently derisive and pejorative manner; the term is used as a precursor to or code for “racist”, “xenophobic”, “ignorant know-nothing” etc.

    But in truth, any politician gathering supporters under the ‘populist’ banner is usually just seeking influence, if not control, over local economic resources and conditions, and other more subjective aspects of life (say, how to teach arithmetic) that the political, financial and media elites want to control. For our own benefit, of course.

    The academic contempt for populist movements is most famously summarized by Richard Hofstadter in The Age of Reform, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life, and his essay, “The Paranoid Style in American Politics.”

    http://www.amazon.com/Age-Reform-Richard-Hofstadter/dp/0394700953/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1443021754&sr=1-1&keywords=the+age+of+reform+richard+hofstadter

    Hofstadter basically says that anyone who is not a left-wing progressive is, by definition, a right-wing racist, conspiracy-theory-touting, ignorant kook. He’s probably in the top 5 for most influential academic political historians since WWII. The condescension, arrogance and lawlessness of WashDC make a lot more sense once you’ve read the source material. I have a college football buddy who runs the HH Humphrey Center for Politics at U. Minnesota, and is Minneapolis’ leading political commentator in the media, and he still teaches Hofstadter.

    ***

    Bernie Sanders, of course, is also labeled a ‘populist.’ But that’s because the media can’t discuss him using the term he’s identified himself as for 30 years: “Socialist.”

    I think Sanders does have some vague populist opinions, such as closing the border so that blue collar dudes don’t suffer the wage pressure that they now do in the race to the bottom. He’s also pro-2nd Amendment.

    However, he’s accurately described himself, officially, as a Socialist, not even a Democrat, since at least the 1980s. He’s really about confiscation and redistribution of financial resources, and the slathering of socialized benefits (funding sources unclear) on people who don’t want to take care of themselves. Not the expansion and leveling of economic activity, imo.

    It is funny to see the mainstream media anoint him a “Democrat,” however. That’s like anointing Barbra Streisand, owing to her ambitions to influence political thought, a “political philosopher.”

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  31. Yoda says:

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/09/21/susan-brownmiller-heretic/

    As author of the enormously influential book Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape, feminist writer and activist Susan Brownmiller has done more than almost any living person to combat the scourge of sexual violence. So when she critiques the excesses of today’s rape-crisis activists, you might think the activists would listen—that is, if today’s anti-rape movement were actually an open-minded, reality-based effort to combat a very real social problem rather than, as Christina Hoff Sommers memorably described it, “a panic where paranoia, censorship, and false accusations flourish.”
    In an interview with New York magazine last week, the 80-year-old Brownmiller suggested that the campus rape movement is narrow, elitist, and “doesn’t accept reality.” Asked what advice she would give activists, Brownmiller said, “extend your focus to the larger percentage of women and girls who are in danger of being raped. They are more important than the college kids.” She also violated the well-known taboo against drawing a connection between sexual assault and the campus culture of binge drinking: “If you drink you lose your sense of judgment. Everybody knows that. You should know that when you are going into a fraternity party, something can happen.”

    The rape crisis crusaders contemptuously brushed Brownmiller’s views aside. . . .

    Ironically, Brownmiller’s swift exile from the shrinking tent that is third-wave feminism confirmed one of her other critiques of the current movement: that modern activists “think they are the first people to discover rape, and the problem of consent, and they are not.”

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  32. BuenaVista says:

    Danish men, like Hajjis, appear to enjoy having sex with animals. And other observations of the paradox of superior Danish “well-being.”

    “So: Why does no one seem particularly interested in visiting Denmark? (“Honey, on our European trip, I want to see Tuscany, Paris, Berlin and . . . Jutland!”) Visitors say Danes are joyless to be around. Denmark suffers from high rates of alcoholism. In its use of antidepressants it ranks fourth in the world. (Its fellow Nordics the Icelanders are in front by a wide margin.) Some 5 percent of Danish men have had sex with an animal. Denmark’s productivity is in decline, its workers put in only 28 hours a week, and everybody you meet seems to have a government job. Oh, and as The Telegraph put it, it’s “the cancer capital of the world.””

    Anyway, from the Booth point of view, which is not the Official Approved Storyline of True-Speaking Liberals, all is not right in River City. And the Happiness Surveys, well …

    “Moreover, there is a group of people that believes the Danes are lying when they say they’re the happiest people on the planet. This group is known as “Danes.”

    “Over the years I have asked many Danes about these happiness surveys — whether they really believe that they are the global happiness champions — and I have yet to meet a single one of them who seriously believes it’s true,” Booth writes.

    “They tend to approach the subject of their much-vaunted happiness like the victims of a practical joke waiting to discover who the perpetrator is.””

    http://nypost.com/2015/01/11/sorry-liberals-scandinavian-countries-arent-utopias/

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  33. Yoda says:

    That’s like anointing Barbra Streisand, owing to her ambitions to influence political thought, a “political philosopher.”

    Influential in this field she is.
    Even a law named after her she has
    Known as “Streisand Effect” it would be

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  34. Yoda says:

    Like the Danes I do.
    Lego Yoda flattering it would be.

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  35. Spawny Get says:


    Meanwhile…

    In the UK…

    Far-Lefty wannabe PM Jeremy Corbin Steptoe / Worzel Gummidge (your choice) is:
    Changing his tune about whether existing MPs (who overwhelmingly know him and didn’t vote for him) should be protected against having their candidacy as MPs being challenged by the new wave of far-lefty entryists in their local associations.
    Is deciding that MPs should no longer have an individual choice as to who their SPAD (Special Advisor – personal flunky) should be…the party bleedership will select a ‘suitable’ one for him. cf Political Officers in the Glorious Soviet Army.

    The MPs are luvvin’ their glorious new leader.

    I think he’s great. I think he’s the end of the labour party.

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  36. Spawny Get says:

    Corbyn / Worzel / Steptoe all great minds of our time

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    The floggings will continue until morale improves.

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  38. Perhaps campaign reform was not the right term. What I mean is when helping a friend run for local office I saw the machine up close and it wasn’t what they taught in civics class. Both parties choose the candidates, the party anointed, not bc they were the most qualified/intelligent/able but because they would vote lock step w party. The parties were focused on the money, getting it and then funneling it to the party anointed. If one wasn’t that party anointed, they shut down all help and funding via intimidation and threats. The big campaign financiers (often big biz w questionable practices environmentally or orherwise) put money in both pots so no matter who won, they won. It was not at all about “the people.” They choose who got on the ticket long before the people did. It was like finding out Santa wasn’t real. Again I am Pollyanna I know, but that’s not how it’s supposed to work, is it? That’s what needs reform.

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  39. BuenaVista says:

    Probably, Bloom, alternative media enable more insurgent candidates these days. Historically, candidates we’re selected in the so-called smoke-filled rooms, and sure, the legacy parties wish that remained true today.

    But today people like Bernie, Carly, Trump and Carson can be serious candidates.

    I’m trying to think of an American Corbin reminds me of. His loathing of England and western civilization, however, is so prodigious I can only come up with one. And he only has about 16 months left in his term.

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  40. BuenaVista says:

    For Liz: how the USAF is instructing staff and pilots to lie about the F-35:

    “… these “guidance documents” are not uncommon in the military, and mainly meant for PR flacks. Still, the document states that “wings will also identify pilots and maintainers who are proficient at telling the F-35 story and are willing to lend their name and image to the effort.”

    http://cdn.warisboring.com/images/F-35-Public-Affairs-Guidance.pdf

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/news/a17453/f-35-guidance-document-leaked/

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  41. True bv, I think now more than ever people are willing to consider an independant or non-party announced candidate. But money remains a factor. For example my friend was able to raise $6000 for his local campaign, the party announced had a war chest of $60,000. That’s a lot of $$$ for publicity and name recognition seems to be the game. It’s possible to do a gorilla style campaign, but one would have to be mighty savvy.

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  42. Spawny Get says:

    FYI The US stole Steptoe and Son and made Sandford and Son

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  43. Yoda says:

    FYI The US stole Steptoe and Son and made Sandford and Son

    FYI The UK stole Obama and made Corbyn

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  44. From what I hear democrats I know saying, it’s “anyone but Hil@ry!” Even the women of that generation don’t like her.

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  45. Yoda says:

    The idea of socialism can come off like a warm fuzzy bunny

    But more like this it is,

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  46. Darth Maul says:

    This is a much better look for you, shrimpy:

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  47. Yoda says:

    Still the good guy I am
    And bad guy you are
    Never change this will

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  48. SFC Ton says:

    It worked(ish) in places like Denmark because they were a common people with kinship bonds and where careful not to fuck over their kin

    Socialism cannot work in a multi ethnic society as it multiplies the already existing us vs them; You aren’t fucking over your kin but some other group. You hear this with negros all the time. They aren’t fucking over working black folk but rich honkies

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  49. Yoda says:

    Ton speaks the truth he does.
    Odd that elite people can see this not.

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  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    And Hollywood did a blatant rip off of Akira Kurosawa’a Seven Samurai.

    Good adaptation it was. I wonder if Kurosawa ever made a comment?
    Promi9sing remake they are. Modern cast will be a disappointment, I think.

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  51. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Thank you for writing this post about socialism.. I can’t help feeling that SSM was on point when she said that it’s all about socialism for women and capitalism for men. I had to add that it’s men working very hard to pay lots of taxes so that government can support women in their “independence”.
    Youtuber Turd Flinging Monkey. had a video detailing how welfare follow on the heels of extending the vote to women. He laid down a challenge to anyone to find evidence to contradict this. No one has yet.
    It starts off as something modest, like providing for widows and orphans. It gets extended to women who have been abandoned. Then to women who abandon their husbands. I think, now, there must be no qualifiers.
    Extend this glass floor to women and men are optional. With men being optional, only a VERY attractive man will attract.

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  52. Spawny Get says:

    Word of the week is Gimmegrant.

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  53. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    “Gimmegrant”
    #giveyourmoneytowomen
    female only sholarships and grants
    SBA loans to female run businesses
    government preference in contracting with female run businesses
    affirmative action in hiring

    It just goes on and on…

    When Cill found that statistic that women spend seven trillion more than they make worldwide, I had some doubt. No longer.
    That was seven on top of twenty trillion.

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  54. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    This wouldn’t be happening without socialism for women. Today from Dalrock,

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2015/09/23/gilligan/

    What I find hard to believe is , that this is socially approved.
    What scares me is that they will chase down the donors for child support. I gues the reasoning is that , in donating sperm, they enabled irresponsible feminine behavior.
    This is CWAZY!

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  55. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz and Spawny,
    Aviation video!!!

    That is a lot of them, all airwothy, ll in one place.

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  56. SFC Ton says:

    Who says the elite doesn’t see it/ understand these things? Odds are they have a completely different set of objectives

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  57. Farm Boy says:

    Probably many of the elite do understand the evil that they do. But many “elite” are idiots who believe the party line. “Useful idiots” they would be.

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  58. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Faked bear video but, kids love him!

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  59. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    About socialism, wasn’t it Margaret Thatcher who said that it is all well and fine until you run out of other people’s money? I know that I have the quotation wrong but I believe the essence is right.
    What will the fembots do when the money runs out? In his videos, Sandman relates his observations of what used to be Yugoslavia after communism. What the women did was pull out all the stops hunting down men to provide. The only businesses that were thriving were those that catered to women and making them look good.

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  60. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Out of all this, I like Liz’s observation the best. Schools have gone ape enforcing zero tolerance policies. She was right to point out that a school came down like a ton of bricks on a little kid who bit into a Pop Tart to make the outline of a pistol. There was another incident in which a kid used his forefinger to point and said “Bang”. Naturally, all the heat is coming down on little boys.

    This may be the last thing said about Charlotte Proudman but, nobody has mentioned nuclear rejection. Her’s was up there with Edward Teller’s invention of the H-bomb. In the past, nuclear rejections didn’t happen. It was in women’s interest to send the boy down the road and hope that some other girl would snap him up. Today, they don’t care. That, or they would love to see the guy live his life in misery. There is only one problem, the boy will not be open to any possibility until he recovers and that may be a while, if at all.

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  61. Liz says:

    “Who says the elite doesn’t see it/ understand these things? Odds are they have a completely different set of objectives”

    Yep. I don’t believe for a minute that Mister “if I had a son he’d look like Trayvon” would want a son like Trayvon, nor did he think it was “a really neat clock”.

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  62. SFC Ton says:

    Pretty sire if you believe the party line (either party) you aren’t part of the elite

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  63. SFC Ton says:

    Interesting thing the Danes. I have known a few from strongman and powerlifting but didn’t know them well. They seemed happy enough but then again they were on vacation

    Every European strong man/ power lifter I meet enjoyed being in the usa. Apparently we are much more big man friendly. From pick up trucks to meal portions to being better liked by girls/ population at large

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  64. Liz says:

    “http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/23/ahmeds-sister-admits-school-suspension-alleged-bomb-threat-3-years-earlier/”

    Yes, the pattern is pretty easy to see. This family has experienced a history discrimination and false accusations due solely to the color of their skin [/sarcasm]
    Now they are profiting from this behavior.

    What the internet does is exacerbate confirmation bias. A person might have all the information available to them on the world wide web, but that’s largely irrelevant when they surround themselves only with a select portion of it. Then the limbic response kicks in. With the exception of very few (and almost no women) people want to be in the in-group. When they see that an idea is popular in their sphere of experience they start to think that’s what they should believe. This is true even of ideas that might seem patently absurd, but definitely for ideas no one is willing to challenge for fear of being in the out group.

    Bureaucracies. Here’s a small example. I can’t remember if I’ve mentioned this one before. I had a big Dalmatian back in college when Mike and I first moved in together. When he went to pilot training we were in a little apartment and I had to walk the dog every morning (no yard). He’d wake me up if I wasn’t up by six, regardless of when I let him out the night before. That dog was a real alarm clock. Well, one morning when Mike was away my head was leaning at the edge of the bed, facing out, and the dog sat down in front of me and took his paw to swipe my face and wake me. Unfortunately, that was the moment I opened my eyes and the dog scratched my cornea.

    So I go to the (military) hospital and tell the doctor what happened. He started acting kind of weird so I should have known something was up. He left the room and brought out a bunch of paperwork and I filled it out and it took a very long time before he looked at my actual eye, the entire reason I was there. He wanted to know everything about my dog.

    I get a call the next day (patch over my eye), and it’s animal control. The nice lady on the phone tells me my dog is going to be put on a vicious attack dog list (next “attack” they would take him out permanently) and I have to have him quarantined immediately at the vets for observation, at my own expense (these were the days we’d save for a month to buy one CD, skinny times so this was a real financial hardship). I told her what happened…that he didn’t bite me and it was a mild scratch. She was very apologetic but said there was nothing she could do because it was the law.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that good intentions created that law (“we need to do something about repeat dog attacks!”), but once the law was made it took on a life of its own and there’s no room for common sense or reasonability testing. This is how bureaucracies expand over time. This is why the air freshner in the bathrooms at the base has to have an Inspection sticker, it’s (on a much larger, much more expensive scale) why the Department of Homeland Defense was created, and why we have all of those retarded and essentially useless TSA agents. We now have 98 separate federal law enforcement agencies in the US. Yep 98!! Mike learned this at a recent meeting when they were discussing what to do in the event of an attack at the base (competing jurisdictions).

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  65. SFC Ton says:

    I too tend favor populists politics mostly as a counter weight. There are a lot of reasons to be leery of them as well

    At heart I am a kinist and fairly anti civilization.

    Course I would be .more on board with the american empire stuff if we were better with at it; honest and more effective.

    I’m pretty easy to please. Folks can succeed in all sort of situations if the game is more or less honest.

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  66. Liz says:

    Just thinking further….there’s also the promotion system. For example, Mike had exactly the same job for three years (they needed him there) but they had to keep rewriting his job description to make it sound like he was doing different things and expanding his area of responsibility, for promotion reasons. From what Professor Doom describes in the education system it’s exactly the same sort of thing in education administration. Politicians want to say they’ve done something.
    Staying out of affairs in general and only responding when appropriate, the mark of a good leader, doesn’t give one a lot to talk about when they are going for reelection.

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  67. Yoda says:

    The floggings will continue until morale improves

    Cat of nine tails the Patriarch would be?

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  68. Yoda says:

    Let’s take Denmark, for example. Supposedly the highest quality of life in the world.

    And Great Danes like Scooby Doo they do have.

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  69. Yoda says:

    Even though the family was pretty darn effective for raising children to be functional adults

    Who cares more for children than their parents?

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  70. SFC Ton says:

    When Boy killed the neighbours German Shepard, the police and animal control told the diversity to keep their dog in their yard. Yay rural South

    Great Dane’s are from Germany….

    And I am digging the new Yoda look.

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  71. Yoda says:

    And German Shepherds from Alsace they are.
    If British you would be.

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  72. BuenaVista says:

    In the upper midwest Yoda’s avatar would be called a “Barn Quilt” and be 12’x12′; mounted on the road side of the barn.

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  73. Liz says:

    Another interesting thing about human psych…something salespeople are very familiar with, is the fact that when a person is emotionally invested and has agreed to something, they are far more hesitant to back out. That’s why terms and conditions often change during the course of a sale…the fine print is revealed, but people often agree anyway, and sign on even though they wouldn’t have if the terms were given up front before they agreed verbally and became emotionally invested. This is how people sell things, and it’s also how politicians can get away with lying so much, and making promises they have no intention of keeping.
    Stream of conscious rambler today, is Liz.
    Going for a run now!

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  74. Yoda says:

    Despite these optimal conditions, those who grew up in the new environment were not imbued with communal and egalitarian values.

    Human nature strong it is.

    Communal values good they might be.
    But their effectiveness only extend so far it does.

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  75. Liz says:

    I mentioned the mecca thing (and sister) yesterday.
    When Liz talks, people scroll. 😛

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  76. Liz says:

    Maybe if I add some fart noises, my “really neat monologues” will get me invited to the White House! 😛

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  77. Liz says:

    This guy is a sure-in:

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  78. Yoda says:

    “Perpetrated bomb hoax you have.
    Invited to White House you are.
    What now will you do”?

    “Go to Mecca I will”

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  79. Liz says:

    In a few days I’m going to be meeting the wife of someone very important in the USAF.
    We are going to tour the base together, and I’m honestly considering pretending to be a mute.

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  80. Yoda says:

    Fart Skittles you should.
    Then true Skittles Girl you would be.
    Impress VIPette this would.

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  81. Tarnished says:

    Morning, all.
    Wish I had time to contribute to the topic at hand, but…

    Just wanted to let everyone know I’m not dead. Or at least, probably not. I suppose I could be a zombie, hypothetically, but that wouldn’t work well with being vegetarian. Hmm.
    Guess I could just walk around saying “graiiins” instead.

    Anywho, I’ve been having fun. Got to be in an ambulance for the first time in my life when I got rammed from behind at a stoplight. Thank goodness nobody was in front of me, and he wasn’t going fast enough to push me out into traffic. Gave me a nice bit of whiplash though, along with a fabric burn on my neck from the seat belt and popped something in my spine. Obviously his insurance is covering all of it, but I’m afraid he will never recover. You see, he has a terminal case of Stupid, which can’t be cured by sobering up, sleeping, or refraining from taking meds. Seriously, he told the cop he didn’t mean to hit me, he just didn’t see the red light because he was looking out his side window. Wtf…
    So now I have to go to a chiropractor for my neck and back for the next few weeks, and it is driving me crazy. Touching. Mandatory touching. By a new person I just met. Gonna be a bloody wreck, I tell ya. *shudder*

    Oh! And from going to the doctor during this time, I got formally diagnosed with essential tremors in my hands/voice. I always thought I had that, but it’s nice to, y’know, get that little bit of a nod from a medical professional. “Yup, your hands shake whenever you use ’em, and your voice trembles when you talk a lot. Congrats!”

    And Comic Con is coming up soon, so I need to get ready for that, plus a bunch of smaller college conventions, and I get to train the 2 new employees. Woohoo!

    So, yeah. Tarn isn’t dead yet. Just stuck with life crap. Thought it might be good to let folks know I didn’t fall off the earth…

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  82. Liz says:

    Great to see you, Tarn! 🙂

    So sorry to hear about the accident though. That sucks. 😦
    Per “essential tremors” you might find you have a “trigger”. Mine was diet coke, when I stopped drinking it, the tremors stopped. Another thing that might help is Magnesium. I used to drink something called Magnesium plus (link here)
    http://www.amazon.com/Pure-Essence-Labs-Ionic-Magnesium/dp/B0011865NQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1443110366&sr=1-1&keywords=magnesium+plus+ionic+fizz

    That helps, too. I took that when I was doing the night shift because I had to drink caffeine to stay awake but that kind of triggers the tremors and obviously you don’t want to be sticking people with needles if you have any shaking.
    It’s not that I couldn’t (my hands were steady enough for that), it’s the fact if the patient sees it, it can be unsettling for them. 🙂
    ANyway, you might want to try it!
    Good luck Tarn, hope you recover quickly.

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  83. Tarnished says:

    Thanks, Liz.

    I’ll try it out, though the doc believes mine is just a hereditary snafu since mom and oma also had them at early ages. I’ve had ’em since around 11-12 years old…luckily they don’t hurt, they’re just stupid and means I hold drinks with 2 hands and don’t eat soup in public, lol. Needless to say, I’ll never be a brain surgeon. They never go away fully, but *do* get worse when I’m sick, stressed, or have caffeine…another good reason to stay away from soda. 😛

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  84. Yoda says:

    Interview of much gravity this will be

    In an effort to reach out to millennial women voters, Hillary Clinton will appear in an interview opposite Girls star Lena Dunham, set to post online Tuesday, POLITICO has learned. The already-taped segment also includes comedy sketches filmed at Clinton’s Brooklyn campaign headquarters, including a cameo by comedian Amy Schumer.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/hillary-clinton-lena-dunham-interview-213990

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  85. Yikes Tarn, that bites. 😦 Glad you have not jumped ship but sorry to hear why you have not been around. Sending healing vibes your way!

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  86. I saw a preview of an Amy Schumer skit the other day for the first time. Basically, “let me tell you what a slut I am! No really, I truly am a huuuuuuge slut. Slut slut slut. So one day, while I was being slutty, a naked woman w a poodle walked into the bar…blah blah” Not funny. Sad.

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  87. Yoda says:

    Wages of socialism this is,

    To grow the economy, cheap interest rates are not going to work as well as reforms that make business formation and job creation more attractive. Yet Democrats these days have ever-lengthening lists of job-killing policies they want to enact, from tighter environmental regulations to dramatic minimum wage increases (especially in cities where unemployment is high) to tax increases. Paradoxically, that leaves liberals cheerleading for Fed policies that increase inequality and concentrate wealth because only ultra low rates (or truly massive deficits, which can’t be rammed through a GOP Congress) can mask the effect of left-wing microeconomic policies on the economy as a whole.
    There is no shortage of capital today, but there is a dearth of attractive opportunities to invest that capital in ways that will stimulate employment. People who actually care about the living standard of the American people need to be thinking long and hard about the kinds of policy changes and innovations at the local, state, and federal levels that would rejuvenate the American labor market by making it easier and more rewarding to create new jobs.

    http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/09/21/low-interest-rates-mask-the-effects-of-job-killing-policies/

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  88. Liz says:

    From the above link: “Seven years of relaxed monetary policies have caused U.S. household wealth to soar…”

    The abbreviation US still stands for United States, right? They’re refering to the United States of America with “soaring household wealth” over the past seven years? Not, say….Universal Studios, or something?
    I submit if this were true Obama would be a much more popular president.

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  89. Omg don’t get me started on govt. regulation…..

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  90. Yoda says:

    More wages,

    They might eat their ham sandwiches in the wrong fashion and forget to ignore its uncanny resemblance to a particular item, earning them a suspension.

    http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/24/heres-the-culture-that-produces-ahmed-mohamed/

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  91. Sumo says:

    Guess I could just walk around saying “graiiins” instead.

    Gotcha covered:

     photo 50d95b2f.jpg

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  92. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarm
    Speaking of grains…

    It’s more fun to be a pirate!

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  93. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda at 5:25pm,
    I don’t think that we have ever been in an economy quite like this. Lots of cash sloshing around, rates at almost zero, and no one wants to invest. I don’t think that we have ever seen such a dearth of hope since we started keeping track.
    Thi is not good.

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  94. Yoda says:

    New post there would be

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  95. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz.
    Do you think it may have something to do with what I said about you being a better military wife than Mary Custis Lee? To be honest, when her husband was deployed, I don’t think that she ever left Arlington House. She did have six kids to look after though.

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  96. @ Liz I always read your comments btw. I read every single one! And enjoy them greatly. 🙂

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  97. Yoda says:

    Lots of cash sloshing around, rates at almost zero, and no one wants to invest

    Kind of an indictment is it not?

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  98. @ fuzzie it is true, it is a really weird economy… To you think it’s the election or?

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  99. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    This has been building up for a long time. For the last few years, all the corporate cash has been in the stock market and simply parked there.
    I get the sense that we are on the verge of something but, I don’t know how it will play out.

    Liz,
    I don’t scroll past your comments either.

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  100. SFC Ton says:

    Cash might be sloshing around but it isn’t worth much compared to what it was before the federal reserve

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  101. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    SFC Ton,
    A coin dealer brought it home to me once. There is one ounce of silver in a silver dollar and one ounce of gold in a twenty dollar gold piece.
    There is only one problem. In the latter half of the nineteenth century, there wasn’t enough gold to match the value that the economy was creating. That generated deflation. People had to pay back debt with ever more valuable money.

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