Hypergamic Reflection


In the previous post Spawny stated,

It ignores the ability of women to (as I have seen it) switch off the love, turn on the hatred, when she feels that the deal is no longer big enough, good enough…for her. At core, women have extremely cold hearts regarding men.

I still think that most women just do not like men…they just do not.

Ton added,

That’s close Spawny

They dislike the kind of man they can pull. A woman with the beta is pissy she is not of high enough value to pull better & she dislikes the fact she is stuck with a man who settled for her.

How often does this situation happen?  Consider the people that you know.  Make an estimate.  Place it in the comments.

What is happening here?  The wife has had unleashed hypergamy operating inside her starting from her early teen years; the husband has not.  Her hypergamy has made her shoot for the best in terms of men; that is what hypergamy does.  Combined with a big boost in entitlement from society, it makes women feel that they deserve the very top man.   And when she failed to land him, she “settled” for her present husband.  Every day when she looks at him, she see a reflection that she was not all that she thought she was.  

But of course, she cannot allow herself to think that; so the hamster spins.  There is no easy way out for the hamster in this case, no rationalization really works.  So to distract herself and vent her frustration, she takes it out on him.  And maybe the children.

What might be a solution to this problem?  Well it seems obvious.  The men just don’t generate enough tingles.  Boys should be separated from girls in school and from an early age taught how to make girls tingle to the exclusion of all else.  Learning stuff that would lead to productive jobs is not important.  What is important is to make the women of the world tingle so that they will not take their frustrations out on their men and children. (tongue in cheek this paragraph is, or is it?)

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131 comments on “Hypergamic Reflection
  1. Farm Boy says:

    Note that men don’t do hypergamy, so the wife is probably good enough for him. So there is not reflection in his case.

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  2. Sumo says:

    Note that men don’t do hypergamy

    What’s it called, then? I pass on less attractive chicks all the time so I can move on to the hotties, and I’m fair certain that I’m not the only one who does this.

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  3. Farm Boy says:

    Men normally have reasonable expectations in terms of matching. Perhaps they sometimes aim high, but they are not obsessed or entitled about it.

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  4. Tarnished says:

    The men just don’t generate enough tingles.

    But is it a case of them never truly generating tingles, or that the tingles gradually decrease after X amount of time?

    I was reading an article earlier this week about the science behind the concept of the Honeymoon Period of a relationship. Typically it is defined by closeness, lots of sex, a strong desire to spend time with each other, increased touch/sensuality, and intimacy that is very willingly shared. For most couples, this seems to last for approximately 4-6 months to roughly 1 year. After that, the vast majority of couples report…well, we know what they tend to report. We talk about it often enough here, after all.

    My question, which has no easily forthcoming answer as far as my research can find, is why does the HP have to truly end? Obviously life begins to get “in the way” sooner or later: Couples buy homes, pay bills together, make large financial decisions, have kids or have trouble conceiving, cars break down, illness comes along. Life happens, and it isn’t always fun or conducive to a perfect relationship. Even my own, where very little of this occurs, has ups and downs.

    But does this mean the HP *has* to be completely finalized? I will admit that when my lover gets undressed in front of me, I still get the same butterflies and “neediness” now at 31 that I got at 22, and if his physical reactions are any indication, he does too. Even out of the bedroom, I yearn to make him happy and take away his troubles…he told me just last week out of the blue that he loves to see me smile and thinks my eyes are beautiful when I’m laughing.

    It just seems weird that couples who should really be *more* committed to each others happiness due to their vows and supposedly deeper, more traditional love are often the exact opposite. So…is there a way to keep the HP going?

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  5. Sumo says:

    Men normally have reasonable expectations in terms of matching. Perhaps they sometimes aim high, but they are not obsessed or entitled about it.

    Okaaaaaaaaaaaay………clearly one of us is doing it wrong. Wish I knew which one.

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  6. blurkel says:

    Most men don’t have that many opportunities to form a relationship. I had four girlfriends all though high school, none in college, two while I pretended to be a rockstar at the corner bar, and was married shortly there after. Being generous by adding in the ones I didn’t recognize at the time who were making their intentions known (three more) and that brings my total to ten by including the wife. Only the wife lasted longer than a few months.

    If she wasn’t desperate to ensure that her ticking clock didn’t run down before reproducing, I doubt I’d be married now. I just wish I had the kind of information now available to today’s young men when it could have done me some good!

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  7. blurkel says:

    @Tarn

    So…is there a way to keep the HP going?

    No. Once a woman becomes secure that her selection isn’t going to ride off into the sunset, she stops riding him physically and turns to riding him emotionally.

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  8. Spawny Get says:

    Entertains as he educates. Love this guy.

    The Sargon video that he references
    How Feminism Has Set Men Free: https://youtu.be/RPETpCVrH9Y

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  9. Tarnished says:

    @blurkel

    That is the saddest and stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

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  10. Spawny Get says:

    And ‘we’ won the Rugby match, thanks for your concern.

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  11. Tarnished says:

    It doesn’t even make sense sexually! Finding someone who is your treasure should mean complete freedom and safety to just keep discovering each other, not an excuse to stop exploring. 😣

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  12. Tarnished says:

    Congrats, Spawny. 😄

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    It’s completely counter-intuitive but, Blurkel’s right. Once she has commitment, she is secure and doesn’t have to try anymore.
    By present day wisdom, what you are doing with your beau is the key to maintaining the honeymoon. You don’t take each other for grante.

    For those that didn’t watch the Sargon video that Spoawny linked, here it is. It’s less than three miniutes but, it’s brilliant. It explains how feminism has demotivatd men.

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  14. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Thjinking about hypergamy, it’s all well and fine while women are shopping for a mate. It’s Ok to look for the best deal. However, once she has a mate, no more shopping. I read somewhere recently that half of the women on Tinder are married or in relationships. I believe it when they say that they are “window shopping”. What a waste of men’s hope if he approaches one of these time wasters.

    I heard that, in ancient Greece, maidens were encouraged to attend the Olympics where men competed nude. At the time , this was socially acceptable and of benefit to the maidens because they get to see what men look like.
    Married women who attnded were treated vey differently. They were put to death for indulging their hypergamy

    I can’t remember which of Karen Straughan’s videos it’s on but, she does touch on this subject. Throughout time, women have neve had trouble finding a mate. With the advent of feminisim and birth control, feminism promised better men by indulginhg hypergamy. What the eminists falied to tell them was that they would have to share. Now tht hypergamy has been given a free rein, the 80/20 rule has been applied. If eighty percent of the men are completely disouraged, women are going o see something they never expected-a shortage of men.
    Serves them right for buying feminist snake oil.

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    feminism promised better men

    How could they do that? Was the average man suddenly getting “better” because of feminism?

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  16. SFC Ton says:

    Women don’t enjoy sex with betas. Once he is locked in she can stop

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Another thing that I was reminded of, back on another blog, a Christian man made the observation that in singles groups, all the girls went after the top one or two guys. Once those guys broke the logjam by taking up with their favorites, they all paired up fairly quickly. But, that would be a limited dating pool. I am thinking that internet dating has expanded the pool to the near infinite. Hypergamy never hits a wall of reality.

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  18. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    The method to gain better men was, thanks to oral contraception, was to offer premarital sex
    This would make the the woman applying this this more competitive than a woman who would not.
    There is fallacy in this plan. When all the women are doing it, there is no competitive advantage. That hasn’t quite entered the consciousness of the feminine side of the SMP..

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  19. blurkel says:

    @tarnishedsophia

    Finding someone who is your treasure should mean complete freedom and safety to just keep discovering each other, not an excuse to stop exploring.

    Except that when you attempt to explore, you get excuses as to why that path is verboten. One quickly discovers how limited one’s options are, and the regrets begin too late.

    Next post Scheduled for 9/21/2015 0:30 BST

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  20. Tarnished says:

    You don’t take each other for granted.

    Of course not.
    You never know when the day you’re living will be your/their last. Life sucks sometimes, and fate is a fickle mistress. Better to fully appreciate your loved ones while you are together.

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  21. Tarnished says:

    Except that when you attempt to explore, you get excuses as to why that path is verboten.
    Mostly religious reasons, I’m guessing?

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  22. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I would be interested in a general answer to that question. If a woman cited religion as an excuse, Ephesians 5 should be pointed out to her. In it, St. Paul admonishes both men and women not to withold from each other to spare each other the temptation. Using Christianity to excuse this would be abuse. However, I am sure my Mother pulled it on my Dad and she went every Sunday, considering herself devout.

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  23. Tarnished says:

    And those of my faith are generally very sex-positive and a decent number of us see physical intimacy as a type of prayer, for lack of a better term.

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I had forgotten that you are Wiccan. However, I would hope that all religions would be sex positive. That’s where the little ones come from! It wouldn’t be much of a Christmas without them doing their play.

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  25. Tarnished says:

    I would as well, dear bear. But as we know, even the best messages regarding love (in all it’s forms) can be twisted by those with an agenda. :/

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  26. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    Since Molly is not here, may I share burritos with you? 🌯 🌯 🌯

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  27. blurkel says:

    @ Tarn

    Mostly religious reasons, I’m guessing?

    Perhaps. I’m sure its influences are in the following complaints: Oral sex is yucky (unless she’s on the receiving end); Doggie-style makes her feel like a slut; and don’t EVEN go anywhere near the dorsal port!!!

    Of the few partners I’ve had in life beyond one-nighters -a number which leaves fingers remaining on ONE hand- sex had to be missionary and essentially procreative. Every one of them demanded I observe at least two of these restrictions if not all of them. Forget about anything more exotic! No whips, no 50 Shades, no knotted nylons, etc. Just plain vanilla with extra vanilla sauce for spice.

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  28. blurkel says:

    @fuzzie

    Based on how hostile organized religions are toward females having a sex life, one might come to the conclusion that the purpose of religion is to keep women away from sex, except that they are needed as brood mares to keep the society from dying out. The more extreme of them, which includes the Shakers, actually DID die out due to a lack of recruits to replace the dead devouts. Therefore, there must be an easing of the strictures to ensure population growth.

    This thread and many others note at least in passing that women aren’t so locked into religion as a cock-blocker anymore. Sex is now overtly bait for bucks, a condition which many societies deem prostitution. Funny how all the free-market types go holier-than-thou when women seek to exploit this reality, and stump for laws banning the activity!!

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  29. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Blurkel,
    I need to slep on it. One thing for sure, this blatant and widespread AFBB thing is a new social wrinkle. I think the BB part of it is going by the wayside fast.

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  30. SFC Ton says:

    Treat them mean to keep them keen

    Tingles die when women are put on a pedestal. Men are taught to put women on said pedestal…… it’s a failed and self defeating tactic

    Last week at a reenactment The Girls were taught to throw a tommyhawk. I neg’ed them relentlessly. Both were eager to please later on. Treat them mean to keep them keen

    Hostile to open and unrestrained hypergamy? Yes but the only religion I can think of that is hostile toward women and their sex life is islam. Hell even the Purtians preached lots of sex and kids and lady orgasms to aide in conception of said kids…. in th marriage bed. Actual Pagan practices where much the same.

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  31. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie, of course we can share la comida! D&D ran til about 2:30am so I’m afraid I immediately went home and fell asleep after that (our DM was late, so we didn’t start til 11pm…bleh). But I am up and ready for work now and we can have breakfast burritos!

    I agree about the BB observation you’ve made also. It was initially a confusing concept to me upon discovering the manosphere…why would BB be needed at all, given that women can work at whatever job they desire and thus have their own income. Then I remembered: babies. I fear we may be rushing towards a society reminiscent of Brave New World stock sooner than our ethics can keep up.

    Blurkel, while there is nothing wrong with vanilla, it would get boring after a few sessions. I think about 3 months after I shared my virginity I was already becoming curious to try some of the things I’d read about/seen in porn. Absolutely nothing “hardcore” at first obviously…but I consider things like tantric sex, oral, edging, cowgirl/reverse cowgirl, and erotic massage to all safely remain on the vanilla side of sex. Perhaps that would be deemed incorrect by the women you speak of.

    Re: religion/Christianity in particular

    It would seem that part of the problem is that there exist so many translations and versions of the Bible that it’s possible to find anything to support one’s own interpretation. I look at the Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, Episcopalians, Jehovah Witness, Shakers, Born-Agains, Fundamentalists, Evangelicals, Puritans, and wonder how they are all using the “same” book, lol. The issue is that any truly charismatic leader can alter even a holy book to fit their own desires for what the faith should look like. This has lead to some glaring contradictions in the text vs the practice…

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  32. BuenaVista says:

    We tend to think of Open Hypergamy, as FB notes, as innate and organic with women. Now the culture celebrates it as a feminine imperative — an empowering imperative. FB adds to this concept by noting that it is not merely innate, but in our world now, *habitual*. (“The wife has had unleashed hypergamy operating inside her starting from her early teen years.)

    This is pretty interesting, I think, because most of us are highly skeptical about negative, habitual behaviors. We would be disbelieving of someone who said “Sure, I’m into smoking meth, but I’ll stop when I get married hee-hee. Did I show you my new tattoo?”

    I do think (in support of Ton’s comment that is quoted above) that the nature of a woman’s hypergamous pyramid changes some over time. I’d rank order (highest priority to lowest) their 20-something needs as:

    1. Hawt studly action.
    2. Social prestige (both his status and her status as his steady girlfriend).
    3. Resources.

    30-something:

    1. Social prestige (Must get married, transition to SAHM.)
    2. Resources.
    3. Hawt studly action.

    40-something:

    1. Resources.
    2. Social prestige (Eeek, I need a man again!)
    3. Hawt studly action.

    I think this is reasonably consistent with Rollo’s Open Hypergamy thesis.

    My anecdotal experience is that women in Stage III have discounted sex (believing as they do in the Sandberg/Rollo Open Hypergamy model, i.e., “Just settle down with a reliable Nice Guy who will do the dishes so you can go to yoga.”) beyond their own understanding. They tend to completely lose their minds (as in, display the reasoning capacity of a 10 year-old) if they re-encounter Hawt sex. Any older guy settling down with a woman had better be her alpha experience, or else he’ll a) be on the once-a-month “look, a starfish” plan; or b) find himself cuckolded. In other words, it’s not just AF-BB, and stasis. It’s potentially AF-BB-AF(redux).

    ***

    Women have no reason to really reflect on or investigate their hypergamous life pattern. The reason it’s unleashed today is that there is no cost to the woman for her Open Hypergamy lifestyle; in fact the government rewards her for terminating her family, and gives her all sorts of government tools if she wishes to attack her husband over time. (There might be a cost to a woman playing around with AFBBAF, if her husband dumps her cold.) It becomes quite ludicrous hearing women justify Open Hypergamy by appeals to logic (“I know what I want and besides, it’s just healthier and happier to explore a single relationship with a single man and I’ve decided that’s YOU!”) There’s nothing logical about Open Hypergamy; it’s simply a ruthless appetite that comes roaring out of the amygdala. Once the non-sexual benefits diminish, in a monogamous LTR, or may be replaced with better benefits via another man, she’s moving on down the road. And of course the State will facilitate her trading out and trading up. Basically, the State now *pays* women to be hypergamous.

    So my intuition is that:

    a. once-hypergamous, always hypergamous (hence my theory of AFBBAF).

    b. recidivism is real.

    c. women believe their own bullshit and expect us to as well.

    d. when you commit to a woman who believes her own bullshit, you’re committing your life to someone who asserts HER self-deception should be YOUR objective.

    e. better find out how much it’s going to cost, in cash and your mental state, if you find yourself married to someone decides she “can do better.”

    IOW, in an Open Hypergamy culture, I suspect that if you get involved with someone who has pursued, with gusto, her hypergamous privileges, you really have no idea who or what she’ll be in five years. But she will be a different person.

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  33. BuenaVista says:

    The Bible is a source document and is not rewritten by denomination. There has been some fiddling in the last 50 years with different “American standard” vernacular versions, but only to the extent that while the King James version may say “sons”, the new femme version might say “children.” And these too are utilized across denominations. Across all Christian faiths, the KJV is an accepted text, and there is only one version.

    The Bible is extremely pro-sex; Churchian, feminist, and unwitting secularists (I guess I repeat myself) are walking, talking corruptions of faith when they impose conditions on sexual activity between committed men and women. (These conditions are controlled by the female half of the couple.)

    When Jefferson took a razor blade to his Bible and excised the parts he didn’t like (an example of why he’s claimed by the Unitarians), it ceased to be a Bible and he (like the Unitarians) ceased to be Christian.

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  34. BuenaVista says:

    Now that your domestic partners can throw a tomahawk, Ton, are you locking them (tomahawks, not Girls) up in the gun safe?

    I’ll admit that when last Mrs. Smith visited, I moved the M9 off my bedside table and out of her reach and sight. While I became accustomed to her turn-on-a-dime moods and shit-testing, I saw no reason to tempt her with a new frontier of crazy.

    ***

    On this football Saturday I’m cooking for 20 or so down at the tavern. Kale sautéed in olive oil, shallots and garlic; sliced ribeyes (marinated in sea salt, pepper, garlic and soy sauce) on top; hamburgers blended (50%) with hot pork sausage and garlic. Also, my five-year old apple trees are producing this year, so fresh Braeburns and (regrettably, I wouldn’t choose them again) Honey Crisps.

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  35. Liz says:

    Per tomahawks,

    Mike was at the squadron bar a couple of weeks back and they were noting how cool it would be to have a tomahawk instead of a squadron coin. The bar could have a target and it would be tradition to throw the tomahawk at the target (some bars have a tradition where you hold onto a bell rope, turn upside down and walk around the bell, so it would be sort of along those lines…).

    As the night wore on they spoke of wearing said tomahawks around until the beer light comes on at the end of the day. Perhaps each person would have a signature style to brandish his personal tomahawk (like, one person might wear it over the shoulder, another on a holster at his hip, and so forth). Over drinks with grown men aged 25 to over 60, Mike said there was barely a dry eye in the house all the men thought it such an inspirational idea.

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure a chick in the room would have seriously messed with this dynamic. Like, when he told me the tomahawk idea….

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  36. Liz says:

    “On this football Saturday I’m cooking for 20 or so down at the tavern.”

    How fun! Have a great afternoon, BV. 🙂
    (going back on the mill, I start reading from the bottom up and will get to the rest later)

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  37. blurkel says:

    @ fuzzie

    “…this blatant and widespread AFBB thing is a new social wrinkle. I think the BB part of it is going by the wayside fast.”

    Indeed! Soon it will be AFAB!

    @ Tarn

    “Perhaps that would be deemed incorrect by the women you speak of. ” Slutty is the term I always heard, expressed in a tone which screamed “Don’t ever ask me to do this again!”

    @BV – I live c & d.

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  38. Tarnished says:

    Blurkel,

    Slutty? With 1 partner?
    Lol. Much like the random guy who called me a slut for declining his offer to go out with him, I don’t think that word means what they think it means.

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  39. Tarnished says:

    Like, when he told me the tomahawk idea…

    Why? Did you not like it?

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  40. Yoda says:

    Perhaps AFGB
    Alpha fux, gubmint bux it would be.

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  41. blurkel says:

    Slutty? With 1 partner? Yes, Tarn. Its not the number of partners, but the requested acts that make it slutty. It also requires her to be a more active participant than the average starfish, which alone indicates slutiness.

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  42. Yoda says:

    Question for Fuzzie I do have.
    Circus bears hibernate they do?

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  43. Liz says:

    “Why? Did you not like it?”

    I think it might be unwise to have a bunch of drunk guys throwing tomahawks in a bar as a standard practice. But, that’s just me…

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  44. Tarnished says:

    Yes, Tarn. Its not the number of partners, but the requested acts that make it slutty.
    So…any non-missionary sex is slutty? What crap.

    It also requires her to be a more active participant than the average starfish, which alone indicates slutiness.
    Are there women who legitimately just lay there, as in doing nothing else? Or is this an exaggeration? Because if it’s a real thing, then the success of the Real Doll company makes a hell of a lot more sense, whereas previously I was confused about how anyone could find it satisfying to sex up an unmoving mannequin. (Not judging, it’s just not something I’d be inclined towards.)

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  45. Yoda says:

    The reason it’s unleashed today is that there is no cost to the woman for her Open Hypergamy lifestyle; in fact the government rewards her for terminating her family, and gives her all sorts of government tools if she wishes to attack her husband over time.

    Well stated this is.
    Make note society should

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  46. Liz says:

    “Its not the number of partners, but the requested acts that make it slutty. It also requires her to be a more active participant than the average starfish, which alone indicates slutiness.”

    I think a lot of women have some really weird issues. I don’t think religion is the reason so much as an excuse. Keep in mind a lot of these new prudes have actual very slutty pasts.

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  47. SFC Ton says:

    My smoker is full of chicken quarters just because it’s Saturday. Really I should be at the bar but they’lol sort of survive without me

    I keep The Girls hobbled and the weapons out in the open. They don’t like me very much but they do love the way I fuck ’em.

    When down range, I’d use tommyhawks to settle minor disputes. No Google etc to settle debates like when the 1st fast and the furious came out so we’d break out the hawks. Something I picked up in 88 from my 1st squad leader and they were popular in the Ranger Batt. They scare the shit out of haijjis, juans, skinnies etc. Something visceral about burly White dudes with bad attitudes gesturing with an axe

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  48. Tarnished says:

    Keep in mind a lot of these new prudes have actual very slutty pasts.
    Which is probably the easiest way to tell the minority who actually have religious hangups they need help overcoming vs the ones who are suddenly ultra “religious”, but only after marriage. Even that is so strange. It’s as though these types of women can literally turn their desires on and off, like flipping a switch. Is this typically a conscious action, or are they blind to the fact that having swinging-from-the-chandelier sex prior to marriage and only vanilla afterwards is cruel to the husbands they supposedly love?

    For any lurkers, I’m not saying that anyone should perform sex acts they tried once before and decided they don’t like/are painful. I’m talking about admitting to enthusiastically doing X with everyone prior to your spouse but then never doing so with them.

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  49. blurkel says:

    @ Tarn

    Are there women who legitimately just lay there, as in doing nothing else? Or is this an exaggeration?

    I have had partners who didn’t participate in foreplay, preferring instead to be “done” by me. As I was young and easily aroused, I didn’t care about this much. But as I aged, I wondered where all the women who claimed to like sex were. I might obviously need a helping hand, but I’d not get one. And if I for some reason wasn’t able to continue, that was the end of it. No attempts to revive Ol’ Peter!

    Yes, this list includes Mrs B.

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  50. blurkel says:

    @ Tarn

    It’s as though these types of women can literally turn their desires on and off, like flipping a switch.

    To quote the Rutles (Eric Idle and Neil Innes – some fine music!) All you need is cash! desires ON! Run out of it, and it’s back to Rosie.

    http://www.rutles.org/

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  51. Spawny Get says:

    Any Sumo sign?

    Time to start neckin’ saki, man.

    Japan just beat South Africa in Rugby. MONUMENTAL. One of the biggest results in Rugby ever.

    Well done.

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  52. Liz says:

    “But as I aged, I wondered where all the women who claimed to like sex were. I might obviously need a helping hand, but I’d not get one. And if I for some reason wasn’t able to continue, that was the end of it. No attempts to revive Ol’ Peter!

    Yes, this list includes Mrs B.”

    Sorry Blurkel, that sucks.
    Or…doesn’t suck (I must assume).
    😦

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  53. Yoda says:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/michigan-lawmakers-to-introduce-yes-means-yes-consent-bills/article/2572428

    Michigan has had a rough month so far when it comes to campus sexual assault.

    Earlier this month, the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights determined that Michigan State University had violated the federal anti-discrimination law Title IX in part because the school didn’t open an investigation into an alleged sexual assault, even though the accuser didn’t want one.

    And just last week, the University of Michigan agreed to throw out its sex assault finding against Drew Sterrett, who had sued the university alleging his due process rights had been violated and that he had not committed the assault.

    But despite what should be a wakeup call to rethink the way the state treats accused students, Michigan lawmakers have decided to introduce a bill that would result in more lawsuits like Sterrett’s, and maybe more investigations from OCR. “Yes-means-yes” — or “affirmative consent” — bills broaden the definition of sexual assault while narrowly or vaguely defining consent.

    It labels drunk sex as rape, in some cases even if the woman (men are not absolved from drinking, but women are) had only one drink. In fact, under these laws, the only kind of sex that isn’t rape is question-and-answer-style sex, where each person in the encounter must ask and answer constant questions about consent. “May I touch you here?” “Yes, may I touch you here?” and so forth. Of course, an accuser never has to prove that she also asked such questions, or that the questions weren’t asked, or that consent wasn’t given.

    No, the burden of proof is on the accused student, after the fact.

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  54. Spawny Get says:

    Yes means yes?

    Speaking of ‘interesting ideas’, why not have a beer festival in a city packed with ethanol intolerants with entitlement issues? I mean, what’s the worst that could happen?
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/19/germanys-oktoberfest-opens-in-shadow-of-migrant-crisis/

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  55. Liz says:

    European white males might need to start blandishing tomahawks very soon. I’ve read Greece has let almost a million refugees in. They’re all heading north from there, and Greece doesn’t have the resources to stop them (and they really don’t care). To say this is a big problem would be the height of understatement.
    So sorry Spawny you’re far too close to the action there. It’s unbelieveable though, how quickly Europe went from the height of arrogance (I so remember Mitterand during the LA riots, “Dees tings wood nevar happen here!”) to…what they are experiencing now. I would never gloat about this, I’m only first generation American and most of my family lives in Europe this is a disaster.

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  56. blurkel says:

    No, the burden of proof is on the accused student, after the fact.

    Perhaps this inspires study more and socializing less?

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  57. Spawny Get says:

    Mutti Merkel has gone quiet in the UK press. After inviting as many Syrians (or those that toss their papers and say they’re Syrians => 80% of the flood are fake Syrians) into Germany as want to come – starting a new flood. Then she started demanding all other countries help with the flood. Then she closed her borders while lambasting Hungary for closing hers. The EU has entirely fucked itself. The Swedes seem to be finding their balls as grenades are being used in the ghettos of Malmo.

    Our political class clucks that ‘we’ must take more but are extraordinarily evasive over numbers…because they know that the public is not with them.

    Order in beer and popcorn, this is going to be epic.

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  58. Liz says:

    I shouldn’t have “liked” your post, Swithy. Because this is awful. But I did anyway.

    Good post, but I’m seriously worried about things on your end of the pond. 😦

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  59. Spawny Get says:

    “Perhaps this inspires study more and socializing less?”

    Might help a little, but remember the committed gay guy sued for paternity because some single mom saw his bio and thought he was making good coin? Even if he won against the state, he was going to have to swallow the legal costs as she had no money.

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    One is maintaining one’s sangfroid. I await events with interest. Too many fucking idiots for me to have any influence. If I had a pool, I’d be poolside.

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  61. Yoda says:

    So my intuition is that:

    once-hypergamous, always hypergamous (hence my theory of AFBBAF).

    Wonder how true this is.
    Nip in the bud one must do?

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  62. Yoda says:

    when you commit to a woman who believes her own bullshit, you’re committing your life to someone who asserts HER self-deception should be YOUR objective.

    How to determine if self-deceiving she is?

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  63. Yoda says:

    I think, because most of us are highly skeptical about negative, habitual behaviors. We would be disbelieving of someone who said “Sure, I’m into smoking meth, but I’ll stop when I get married hee-hee. Did I show you my new tattoo?”

    Unleashed hypergamy destroys individuals it does?
    Destroys civilizations it would?

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  64. Yoda says:

    So to distract herself and vent her frustration, she takes it out on him. And maybe the children.

    Care for the children people do not?
    For do nothing about this standard practice it would be.

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  65. Yoda says:

    Tingles die when women are put on a pedestal. Men are taught to put women on said pedestal…… it’s a failed and self defeating tactic

    Still true if pedestal lined with Skittles it is?

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  66. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    You have to get on the horn and talk to Farm Boy about “Yes means yes” coming to Michigan. I don’t think that higher education is going to survive the avalanche of lawsuits from falsely acused men denied due process.

    Spawny Get,
    They’re tossing grenades in Sweden? I think that the locals are beyond pissed. Rapes have gone up 1400% since all this started and it’s not the locals.

    Blurkel,
    I have slept on it. We don’t need another martyr. Bail.

    Two weeks ago, when things were quiet here, I tried commenting on another blog. In response to a woman I threw back a previously stated number of 66% of married women would rather read a book, watch a movie, or eat ice cream than have sex with their husband. That’s cold, literally.
    If women are cold to this extent, we need to go back to the drawing board because the mo9dern model of heonic marriage isn’t going to work.

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  67. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    modern model of hedonic marriage. Sorry

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  68. Farm Boy says:

    If women are cold to this extent, we need to go back to the drawing board because the modern model of hedonic marriage isn’t going to work.

    I think that people knew that it was not going to work. It was fun while it lasted. These same people think that we will all move on to something better.

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  69. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    Are you saying that hedoni marriage wasn’t an end goal?
    You wouldn’t be implying that Julie Bindel’s idea of concentration camps for men while women are served breakfast in bed in five star hotels is the end goal?

    I am a grumpy bear.

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  70. Farm Boy says:

    Are you saying that hedonic marriage wasn’t an end goal?

    Of course it wasn’t. I will write a post about this for Wednesday.

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  71. Farm Boy says:

    Blurkel,

    I already had a post scheduled for the time that you scheduled your post. So I moved yours to the next day.

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  72. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    I will be patient. In the meanwhile, I may watch a movie.

    By the way, I saw a report that , in Sweden, there are fifty five “no go” zones that police, fire, and ambulances are staying out of.

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  73. blurkel says:

    So we DO need a place where we can see when we have each scheduled our posts! Just where will that be, Spawny?

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  74. Sumo says:

    Any Sumo sign?

    Time to start neckin’ saki, man.

    Japan just beat South Africa in Rugby. MONUMENTAL. One of the biggest results in Rugby ever.

    ………damn. That’s impressive. Like, REALLY impressive.

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  75. Tarnished says:

    In response to a woman I threw back a previously stated number of 66% of married women would rather read a book, watch a movie, or eat ice cream than have sex with their husband.

    The other 34% know how to incorporate ice cream, books, and movies into their lovemaking, presumably. I’ve done 2 of the above, unless we substitute whipped cream for ice cream…then it’s 3 for 3. Oh, and seltzer is fun too. 😉

    On a serious note, Fuzzie, where did you find those stats? I was arguing with a coworker a few days ago about this topic when she asked for advice with her boyfriend who seems to be pulling away and I recommended more sex and little notes of appreciation in his lunches. It was not taken well, but I wished I’d had stats like these to bolster my argument.

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  76. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The firs6t link that I found for that movie required me to sign in to prove age. The movie was considered violent. It is typical for a war film and can be shown unedited on television.
    That’s censorship.

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  77. SFC Ton says:

    Skittles encrusted pedestal? Seems like a waste of perfectly good skittles. Use black jelly beans no one seems to like?

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  78. Mrs. Yoda says:

    she asked for advice with her boyfriend who seems to be pulling away and I recommended more sex and little notes of appreciation in his lunches. It was not taken well

    What is wrong with young women today I do wonder.
    Any woman under 800 years old gone to the dogs they have

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  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    This siwhere I found it. I think that it originally came from a woman’s magazine survey. If that is the source, the situation may be worse because self reporting bad news on this scale just isn’t done by women.
    https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/a-wifes-plea-to-christian-men-about-their-sexual-sinning/

    This could also go a long way to explaining why women lose interest once men commit. It was all an act to gain committment.
    If it is two thirds, or worse, we need to seriously rethink things.

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  80. Mrs. Yoda says:

    Serves them right for buying feminist snake oil.

    Women’s relationship with snakes goes way back it does

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  81. Mrs. Yoda says:

    Appreciative of their men women should be.
    Sex life improve it will.
    Everybody’s happiness uptick it would.

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  82. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Mrs. Yoda,
    Aren’t you always happy to eat Yoda’s soup?
    Isn’t he always happy to eat your sandwiches?
    Good to eat while watching movies with lots of horses.
    Please check out previous link.

    Tarn,
    I don’t know how much of that would apply to your friend but, it couldn’t hurt. Especially the “movie with lots of horses” part.

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  83. Tarnished says:

    Thanks, Fuzzie.

    Sex life improve it will.
    But care that sex life would improve they do?

    This could also go a long way to explaining why women lose interest once men commit. It was all an act to gain committment.
    Seems like answer “no” it would be… 😕

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  84. Tarnished says:

    Heh. She’s not my friend, Fuzz-bear. 😛
    It’s true there’s a few of my coworkers I enjoy hanging out with after work or gaming with. She is not one of them. Far too entrenched in the “look at me, I’m a victim of everything” mentality.

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  85. Farm Boy says:

    “look at me, I’m a victim of everything”

    White men are not allowed to do this. In fact, they can never be a victim of anything.

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  86. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    It could be that she is trying to play out of her league. The advice about a movie would work just as well. If he can’t enjoy watching a movie wih her, there is little hope for a relationship.

    Yoda,
    I just had an idea for soup. Whole spinich leaves, chicken, and, of course, stars!

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  87. blurkel says:

    “God created sex. Priests created marriage”
    French philosopher Voltaire (François-Marie Arouet, 1694-1778)

    “Marriage is punishment for shoplifting in some countries”
    Wayne to Garth in the 1992 film Wayne’s World

    “’I am’ is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that ‘I do’ is the longest sentence?”
    American comedian George Carlin (1937-2008)

    “By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you’ll become happy; if you get a bad one, you’ll become a philosopher”
    Socrates (470/469 – 399 BC)

    “Marriage: the most advanced form of warfare in the modern world”
    Malcolm Bradbury (1932-2000)

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  88. Yoda says:

    “By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you’ll become happy; if you get a bad one, you’ll become a philosopher”
    Socrates (470/469 – 399 BC)

    Socrates died of an overdose of wedlock he did

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  89. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    “I drank WHAT?”

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  90. Yoda says:

    Socrates reincarnated as a bear he is?

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  91. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It seems that someone in Hungary has paid attention to the career of Joe Apaaio.

    http://bobagard.blogspot.com/2015/09/message-to-illegal-immigrants-from.html

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  92. Spawny Get says:

    “White men are not allowed to do this. In fact, they can never be a victim of anything.”

    Actually, the femeroid line on this has changed. Probably as a result of no longer being able to ignore all the fact backed grievances of some men. Now, white men can be the victim, but only of one thing…Teh Glorious Ebul Patriarchy.

    Any men who are victims can only be victims of the TEP and should therefore immediately sign up as a femeroid to fight said TEP.

    Femeroids aren’t clear on when they will be able to spare the time to actually address men’s issues, busy as they are with man-spreading and eye-rape by menz. But rest assured, they have your backs, femeroid-menz. Just ignore the knife in their hand (and the castration shears too).

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  93. Spawny Get says:

    “How to determine if self-deceiving she is?”

    clues added by Ebul-Spawny 😉

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  94. Spawny Get says:

    Samoa vs USA Rugby this morning…

    Fiji gave us some gyp, just saying. Those guys are big and fast.

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  95. Liz says:

    “White men are not allowed to do this. In fact, they can never be a victim of anything.”

    I think you should add the word ‘heterosexual and normal’ in front of that statement to make it true.

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  96. Liz says:

    I think the pedestalization thing (don’t pedestalize women) is true, I don’t think the commitment thing (women think less of men for committing to them) is true (at least not in generally…I’m sure there are some who do).
    I value loyalty, and I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one nor unusual in that.
    Per pedestalization, I guess Team America’s dicks, pussies, and assholes speech could apply. Or the sheep, sheep dog, and wolf analogy. It’s true of relationships, politics, business, pretty much everything. Europe for instance got rid of its sheepdogs because they were afraid of them and believed there were no wolves. They didn’t value their sheepdogs appropriately. Two sheep in a marriage will result in two people just bleating at each other and that doesn’t work either.

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  97. Liz says:

    Anyone read about
    Ahmed’s clock recently?
    http://news.yahoo.com/i-stand-with-ahmed-clock-bomb-detained-texas-184053328.html

    One of the better direct examples I’ve seen of how partial information can be misleading.
    On his “genius” : http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

    This kid was invited to the Whitehouse and offered scholarships for his disruptive activity. Meanwhile, a kid chews a poptart into a gun shape and is suspended and we hear crickets.

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  98. SFC Ton says:

    Then why do women shit on men who commit to them? Divorce rates say it is the norm.

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  99. Spawny Get says:

    Samoa is winning…toldyer

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  100. Liz says:

    “Then why do women shit on men who commit to them?”

    Because they take them for granted.

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  101. SFC Ton says:

    And they take men for granted because they value the commitment and loyalty of said man?

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  102. Liz says:

    Trust is related to intimacy. With intimacy comes comfort…that’s just the way it works.
    On first “dates”, you aren’t really meeting the person, you’re meeting his or her representative. That doesn’t ipso facto mean a person must value another less with higher levels of trust and intimacy, but it often happens.
    I’m not sure why divorce statistics would “prove” commitment lowers value. What are the statistics for commitment-less “breakups”? I’ll bet a whole lot higher than committed breakups.

    Women value commitment from men they believe have other options. They don’t want think that the man HAD to commit to them. If the man has other options, AND commits, she values him more.

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  103. Liz says:

    “If the man has other options, AND commits, she values him more.”

    ….unless of course she takes him for granted, which can happen when she believes he has no other options.

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  104. Liz says:

    A lot of this is probably tied into the perceptions of other women (their influence). I take it as a matter of course women want to fuck Mike. If they don’t, I think something is wrong with them. But I trust him so this doesn’t bother me, and it actually pleases me. If I didn’t trust him I couldn’t live with him at all, but on the slip side if it was my perception that no one at all wanted him I’d probably value him less. I think women are just kind of hard-wired to think about other women’s perceptions.

    Example, last night we went to a friend’s house to eat. I asked Mike to ask if anyone else would be there (we’re very close friends and I dont’ worry about their judgment of me). He said one other guy…so I just went in the tee shirt and shorts and flip flops I had on since Mike liked that outfit. If women had been there (other than my good friend) I would have dressed it up a little more.

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  105. Liz says:

    Speaking of humans and weird psychology, my oldest son told me about this this morning (after saying the statement “people are weird”, he explained further).
    A word, Quizzaciously, was mentioned on one youtube channel. It means, apparently, “in a mocking manner”. I’d never heard of it before. The youtube channel mentioned it was strange because it’s a fun word but if you Googled the word there was only one single entry for it.
    Apparently only a day or so after, if you googled that word there were over 300,000 entries for it.

    He also told me about a chimp study of ‘alpha’. This chimp pack (group?tribe?) had an alpha male who, for whatever reason liked to stick a blade of grass in his ear. Within a very short timeframe, the other chimps were all doing it too. Apparently now he is long passed and STILL this is the style for chimps in this pack. They all stick a blade of grass in their ear.

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  106. Wow that immigration thing is really scary 😦

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  107. Liz says:

    VERY scary, BLoom.
    And ISIS is branging there are lots of ISIS members floating in as “refugees”. It’s tactically brilliant asymetrical warfare.

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  108. Liz says:

    Just thinking further on the above “commitment” response. This doesn’t explain every breakup or divorce. Human behavior is a very dynamic equation and people often do absurd things for counterproductive reasons that are preposterous upon examination (poor value systems that are self defeating, and so forth). My friend who married Freddie the cult guy left a very high value man for a lesser value man I can’t imagine anyone in their right mind would want. But I believe the above is true in general, and then there are all sorts of individual situations that differ in one way or another from that generality.
    I’m also a big believer in positive habit pattern (and perhaps a kind of Pavlovian response). Positive behaviors promote positive behaviors, and lots of sex of course (I’m sure I have kind of a chemical addiction to Mike).

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  109. BuenaVista says:

    Actually, I’d say the culture celebrates female de-commitment as empowering, soul-building, and “fair.” I’d say that Liz’ perspective is a minority perspective, though a priori superior, that must defend itself from popular and high culture, from our political culture, from our sexual politics culture.

    Commitment to anything, of course, can be both transcendental and empowering, but our society directly rewards de-commitment by women. We reward it financially and intangibly (through status accrual). When a woman determines she has better options than the man to whom her attraction and respect has been declining steadily for years, and if that woman doesn’t live for some abstraction as well as limbic desire, the culture tells her to bail and society then pays her to bail.

    And that’s what the numbers reveal.

    Anecdote of the morning: Watching the ballgame last night at the tavern, I was seated near five middle-aged women who were cackling about their “dumbass” husbands. “Hey,” I said, ” don’t call your husband dumbasses!” I got a chorus of “but they ARE dumbnasses and always will be.” (These women likely don’t have better options.) This is straight out of every TV commercial or crappy Hollywood movie. This is mainstream.

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  110. Liz says:

    “Anecdote of the morning: Watching the ballgame last night at the tavern, I was seated near five middle-aged women who were cackling about their “dumbass” husbands. “Hey,” I said, ” don’t call your husband dumbasses!” I got a chorus of “but they ARE dumbnasses and always will be.” (These women likely don’t have better options.) This is straight out of every TV commercial or crappy Hollywood movie. This is mainstream.”

    Jesus, that sucks. 😦

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  111. Liz says:

    To me, speaking that way about one’s husband is seriously disloyal.
    Maybe it would help to bring that to women’s attention?
    No one speaks that way about their husbands in front of me.
    I’m going to a bridal shower in a few minutes. I havent’ been to one of these things in about twenty years. Airline pilot chick, fighter pilot guy (but she wears the pants, it’s pretty weird). I give it about a year. Maybe three max (they’ve been living together for a long while).

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  112. BuenaVista says:

    Sunday morning self-indulgence:

    We talk a lot about recovery (emotional recovery, divorce recovery, etc.). For obvious reasons I spend a lot of time thinking about all that, but also physical recovery. I know at least one guy here who is officially disabled, from violence, so perhaps he does to. Or used to.

    So, a year ago I had to use a walker, then graduated to a cane, all of which I was ashamed of, and I didn’t leave the house. I lost 30 pounds and found my body disgusting to look at in the mirror. It took six months before I could sit or stand up without head-splitting pain and the room spinning. Most of that’s behind me now but a single man planning on being single and staring at “maturity” thinks a lot about his independence, and especially when he has trouble climbing into his pickup truck. The medical people wanted to put me in a nursing home, I chose to go up and down my stairs on one hand (I’d broken a shoulder in 7 or 8 places and had a strap installed to reconnect the clavicle), and knees instead. They sent me to “rehab”, which I blew off to later train with an Olympic lifting coach. (I reached a point, quite frankly, where I reasoned that if I didn’t do something drastic I was never going to get back to even 50%; and of course, serious injuries and illnesses play total havoc with your head.) In my first day in the gym I was doing old people’s body weight movements and simple shit like skipping forward and backwards, and he almost sent me home because he thought I was drunk at 7 a.m. I wasn’t, but I was near tears at my incapacity. This was 50 weeks after my accident.

    This kid in the video below was not offered a football scholarship so he walked-on and paid his own way. He wound up starting four straight years at free safety (my position in college), was all Big Ten, and led the league in interceptions. He’s a pretty typical Iowa kid, never said much other than “yes” “no” and “I’m hungry.”

    While preparing for the NFL he had a heart attack (at 23) and died on the field before being defibrillated, flown to back to Iowa City where there is the largest teaching medical facility in the world, and diagnosed with an anoxic brain injury. (The hospital, incidentally, is across the street from this stadium.) They put him in a coma for 27 days, then advised his parents to take him home and pull his feeding tube and let him die.

    His parents declined to do that and somehow found the money to keep him alive and he’s now been to 6000 hours of rehab. He recognizes some people and talks a bit, but has no memory of anything older than 5-10 minutes. Yet somewhere in that damaged head is some metaphysical toughness, and patience with his injuries, and he was able to do this last night. (The beefy coach on his right is the Iowa strength and conditioning coach, whom my S&C coach used to work for. The guy on the left was his teammate and neighbor as a boy, and he led the NFL in tackles a few years ago. Note the complete absence of faux sentiment and concern on their faces. Feeling sorry for the kid will get him nowhere.)

    For most of us, it’s just a matter of time before Greenwood-level reserves of acquired toughness, habits of earned resilience, may come in handy. Obviously the issue is heightened if one doesn’t have a life partner and lives alone. And a man will have to decide, at some point, if the loss of his independence outweighs the value of his life.

    Well, it’s Sunday, that’s my homily.

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  113. BuenaVista says:

    “To me, speaking that way about one’s husband is seriously disloyal.
    Maybe it would help to bring that to women’s attention?”

    Well, my joke cut two ways, and I wished they would dial it back a bit. But when they just upped the ante, I just moved away, which they found very rude. “Where are you going, no reason to get all huffy!”

    I wanted to quote Dean Wormer and suggest that “being fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, girls.” But I don’t bother with sexual politics or SMP stuff or any of this stuff with anybody. My single male friends ‘get it’ and my single and married female and married male friends just spout blue pill inanities.

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  114. Those ladies were likely advertising the hypergamous availability to you BV! That’s why they didnt want you to leave. So you still got it hot stuff, despite the accident. Coming back from the brink of death is certainly a head fu(k. I am impressed at your determination!

    I will write a post about man bashing and husband bashing in particular.

    Thinking more on the sex in marriage, another example of today’s culture getting it totally a$$ backward – it used to be you were celibate before marriage and then sexing it up after!

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  115. Bad news, Red’s ex’s new guy, a marine w PTSD who looks like he belongs on duck dynasty, has been threatening to hit the kids w a belt for some time, like he does his own. For minor infractions like building a blanket fort and not putting it away, or drinking water out of the tap. (Metal end) last sunday his kids were telling him and i about this guys totalitarian, boot camp, terror based parenting. Yesterday w her blessing he whipped both kids for going on a walk wo asking. The son called the police who responded then told Red (who met them there) that spanking is legal. Wtf??? Red called me after to meet him, I found him quite drunk at a local watering hole, and drove him home. Today he is feeling sick and is very quiet. I am just being supportive as a friend. I don’t know what to say. What a nightmare. Who lets someone do that to her kids? Ug. Sorry just venting.

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  116. BuenaVista says:

    “Spanking” doesn’t involve a stick or a belt any more, in most jurisdictions. So that’s surprising unless the cops were told he used his hand, and the cops believed him. Adrian Peterson was charged with felony assault, among other things, for whipping his son with a switch.

    Nah, Bloom, the cackling wives were 40 year-old 2’s and 3’s with midsections the size of beer kegs. They were just enjoying husband-hate.

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  117. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    It’s all right to condemn the behavior of wives who “betaize” their husbands then dump them. Doing that was what kept women on the straight and narrow. It was even considered beneficial to “Team Woman”.

    Hen parties where the wives trash talk their husbands are the norm. What the hens don’t consider is that men will see this. It doesn’t help them to look good.

    Bloom,
    In tour last comment, you reminded me of a guy lamenting that only illicit sex was exciting enough. It is kind of backwards, isn’t it?

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  118. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I am still mad after hearing about the trash talking hens. They really do deserve to find out what it’s like to live without their men.
    And, yes, this is all too normal.

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  119. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    Red needs to talk to someone expert. A good place to start might be shrink4men.com
    In the menawhile, if the kids are old enough, it would be a good idea for them to keep a log of what they see as abuse. Entries should be made as soon as possible after the incident.

    Jane the branch swing Witch made a big mistake dumping Red.
    What is it about your stories? With every added detail, they get worse and worse.

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  120. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Rollo wrote a knockout post about sexbots. According to him, it’s not about sexbots as much as feminine social primacy.
    http://therationalmale.com/2015/09/20/planned-obsolescence/

    This relates to BV’s story of the hen party. It is another example of peak feminism. They wouldn’t do it unless they were secure in teir social primacy and felt they could get away with rubbing men’s noses in their yuckiness. That they were called on it must have been a shock.

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  121. Yoda says:

    Yesterday w her blessing he whipped both kids for going on a walk wo asking.

    Wonder if tingles she did receive.

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  122. Yoda says:

    At hen parties older the women are.
    Put all their eggs on the sexual basket they did.
    Now nothing they have.
    Pissed about this they are

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  123. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Jane the Witch getting tingles seeing her kids get a beat down from their stepdad?
    Possible but, that is a new layer of sick.

    Hens doubly angry should be.
    Given that they in 40s are, to let themselves go should have not.
    At that age, what is on the inside, on the outside, it does show.
    From what we are told, most valuable asset in their lives, their husbands are.

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  124. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    I did a little digging on the 66% number you were curious about.
    http://therationalmale.com/2015/09/20/planned-obsolescence/
    This paper is my original source on the “man ailse” story. They may have the reputation of a rag but, they were founded by Alexander Hamilton.

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  125. @ fuzzie frivorce stories usually go like that… It gets worse and worse. Women seem to think divorce will solve everything but instead they often end up worse and worse off…

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  126. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    I shouldn’t be chuckling but, I expect the next thing we hear is how the FBI raided their house and carted Duck Dynsty Wannabe and Jane the Witch off to jail. Now Red is on his own looking after all five kids?

    In all seriousness, keep this whole thing at arm’s length. Please!

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  127. SFC Ton says:

    Nothing you said Liz explains how women value commitment and loyalty from men at large. They do “value it” from alphas which is not saying they value such things from men. Dread keeps them wet. Competition keeps women…. “honest”

    I’ve never given recovery any thought. Part of life is all but I never grew up with a rose colored view of the world. I was told from an early age life is pain and struggle with death/ heaven the relief.

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  128. BuenaVista says:

    I was on a date today with a woman who runs several nursing homes. She had meningitis last spring, she said, and was still shaken up about it. I don’t know anything about meningitis, but I was surprised she was only in the hospital for four days.

    I have had four times when I thought I might die, but one of those occurred when I was a child and so didn’t count. I did tell the woman today that dying is easy, and I might have been happier, or at least performed better, in those moments than at any other.

    I do think about recovery because I believe I’m obligated to live as well and as long as possible. That’s the theological aspect. And because I’m vain, and I enjoy the benefits (not the guffaws) that accrue when mowing the yard shirtless. I would say, actually, that for a physical man, after a certain age, *all* of life is recovery. One either denies the dying of the light, through effort, or one takes a seat in the chair and never gets up again.

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  129. SFC Ton says:

    Trying to remember at what age, but when I was young I committed to certain things. Being a Ranger, sniper, power-lifter etc and knew each came with a promise of serious injuries and life long pain. Think I was 15-16 or so when I made up my mind on those things

    I have never second guessed that decsion

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  130. Farm Boy says:

    Jane the Witch getting tingles seeing her kids get a beat down from their stepdad?

    Well, why else would she tolerate it?

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