Mutually Exclusive: Tingles and Provision?


Tingles and Provisioning?  Most women would say yes to both attributes.  So why don’t men develop both?  Seemingly if they do, they will get the girl.  So why not?

There are two primary forces at work here, boys heading down the path leading to girl attention,  and those being coaxed by their parents to prepare themselves to make money (academic ability usually is much of this).  Of course not all boys fit neatly into the two categories, but they are representative of what happens. And as the boys are heading down the paths, they receive rewards as they perform; thus encouraging them to develop the skills of their path more.  This positive feedback loop tends to make the young men specialists.  It is rare to find a fella who is skilled in both.

Over the course of time, men might (and should) develop varied skills.  But this doesn’t always happen, and the precursors to many skills are best learned young, so many are typecast for life.

So society ends up with many provider types unattractive to the women, and it ends up with many player types who are not particularly useful to society.  The solution used to be to force women to rely upon individual men for provision.  This was a workable compromise.  But with today’s wealth, women no longer need to compromise.  But for how long can this situation last?

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128 comments on “Mutually Exclusive: Tingles and Provision?
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The question is, “How long can this last?” The next major sector of the the econonomy to automate will be the office. A lot of feminist oriented make work positions are going to go by the wayside. Otherwise, while women can self support, men will remain optional.

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  2. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Farm Boy,
    In that most women can provide for themselves, it has made men optional from a provisioning standpoint. I guess that our our contributions are so meager to shared living and our company is awful, that men, to be considered at all, have to come with a lot of bells and whistles. “Tingles” would be at the top of the list.

    If they can’t get what they want, I think they would rather do without.
    Their choice.

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  3. Cill says:

    Although the State takes over the role of woman’s provider, it relies on male productivity to do so. Otherwise it’s a fool’s paradise. Women spend $7 trillion more than they earn: “Globally, [women] control about $20 trillion in annual consumer spending, and that figure could climb as high as $28 trillion in the next five years. Their $13 trillion in total yearly earnings could reach $18 trillion in the same period.”

    “In the last tax year men paid £92 billion in income tax whereas women paid £36.8 billion, which is 60% less.” Harriett Baldwin MP, West Worcestershire, House of Commons, February 8, 2013. In America, 65% of income tax was from men

    Without men, the fool’s paradise would collapse.

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  4. Tarnished says:

    Cill,

    Is that discrepancy between earnings vs expenditures due to women being the “buyers” for a combined income household or due to spending money they don’t have (aka credit cards)?

    OT,
    I follow about 5 MGTOW groups on Facebook, and each one has numerous posts regarding how thrilled men should be that women can no longer rely on them to pay for dates. Is this a foolish stance to take, or does it have validity?

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  5. Yoda says:

    The “women’s spending” count money spent on children it does?

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  6. Cill says:

    It’s the total women spend, mothers, singles, married, the lot. It shows that woman dominate the consumer market. I also mentioned the U.K. and US income tax comparisons, which show men pay far more of the income tax than women do.

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  7. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    I have never seen the worldwide numbers in aggregate bedore. Whew!
    I don’t know how the numbers at present are supported, much less how they will be supported going forward.

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  8. Farm Boy says:

    These days it is easy to become a “poser alpha”. Just develop some bad-boy style, and you are on your way. In the olden days, when women still needed provisioning from men, such laughable creatures would have been just that, laughed at.

    And of course, actually building real provisioning skills of typically more difficult than doing the above. And society suffers.

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  9. Yoda says:

    each one has numerous posts regarding how thrilled men should be that women can no longer rely on them to pay for dates.

    If true, an awfully small victory this would be

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  10. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    That the word “dating” is brought into this colors the whole question. To young people, the conept of “dating” is an anachronism. They don’t date.
    If I were in the MGTOW’s shoes, I would be suspicious of any favors as would Trojans be of Greeks bearing gifts.

    Farm Boy,
    In the days before women had complete reproutive control, provision was important. Now that women can pursue short term, provision isn’t very importanat. Steadie Eddie loses to the poseur each and every time.

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  11. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    A few years ago, I stumbled across an article about a small NY chain of grocery stores opening a “man aisle”. If I remember, the bottom line was that in the early eighties, women accounted for something like 86% of purchases. Now, it’s like 69%. So, from a botom up iewpoint, men are regaining purhasing power. It had to happen. Marriage rates went a lot too.

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  12. Yoda says:

    Bear much to say zhe has.
    A subject to zyz heart it would be?

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  13. Cill says:

    On topic. Tingles or provision are often discussed as if they are mutually exclusive. All men who are aware of them must be curious as to which category they belong. I could provide for a large family without leaving my own land or the forest and ocean I consider to be part of my back yard. The only necessities I can’t provide are medical and dental. I can provide all food, clothing, electric power, and I built the shelter and the transport myself.

    I never set out to attract “girl attention”. I set out to satisfy my urge to build things. Nevertheless I’d be lying if I said I don’t attract women – including strangers who don’t know I’m the providing type. I don’t think tingles and provision are mutually exclusive

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  14. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    I think that the tingle/provision dichotomy breaks down along the lines of the alpha/beta dichotomy. While we do keep them separate for the sake of arguement. In the real world, they must blur.

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  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    A seven trillion shortfall out of twenty? It can’t all be coming from husbands and boyfriends. If a lot of it is uncollaterallized debt, we are in big trouble.

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  16. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, I’ve never fully grasped the notion of Alpha as it is used in the forums. Some seem to define alpha as a man who shafts women and to hell with the consequences – a man who is the antithesis of the provider. Others seem to define him simply in terms of tingles. I agree with the latter, and I add onto it by saying he can also be a responsible man and a provider. If tingles vs provider and alpha vs beta are synonymous, there must be a lot of alphas out there who don’t deserve the negative stereotype.

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  17. Cill says:

    “seven trillion shortfall out of twenty”

    Well, daddy state is paying for it by borrowing up to its eyeballs, on top of which women owe more than men do by a big margin. I could google that but can’t be bothered. I know it’s true. How many feminist countries are up to their eyeballs in debt? NZ isn’t, but I can’t think of many others.

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  18. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    I don’t think that the manosphere cartoon version of the alpha translates to real life.

    About debt, this may be the central point of a good post. I think all nations where feminism has taken hold are up to their eyeballs in debt supporting some form of socialism.
    As for consumer debt, I think that women own an outsized proportion of it. Heaven help us if they decide to deault.

    It’s the eleventh of September, 9/11, still over here. Judgybitch wrote her annual tribute to the emergency responders of NYC. In the commments, she managed to attract a man bashing troll.
    http://judgybitch.com/2015/09/11/when-the-world-goes-to-hell-its-men-who-die-to-save-others-remembering-the-first-responders-of-911/
    Had I left a comment, it would have been lost.

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  19. molly says:

    Fuzzie 🐻 food:
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯

    Must dash. It’s Saturday night and I’ve got somebody,
    I’ve got money coz I just got paid.. by myself!
    My boss (me) just paid me and I’m debt free. 😀 heh heh

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  20. molly says:

    Fuzzy yesterday I watched the remembrance to 9/11 here. They had some twisted girders from one of the smashed buildings. We take it serious here. Gotta go. Bye! 🙂

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  21. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly!!!
    Have fun! 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄
    Prior to that day, the worst day the NYFD ever had was at the First Battle of Bull Run during the American Civil War. They had formed a regiment, the NY Fire Zouaves.

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  22. Yoda says:

    they must blur.

    Probably best way to view Andrea, Lena and Lindy this is.

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  23. Yoda says:

    They don’t date.

    What do they do?

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  24. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    did you mention Her Unmentionableness?

    About those three, while they are attaining ursine figures, they are missing one vital component. They ned to be ale to love. Any child can see this.
    At least, Lindy loves Peanut Butter M&Ms.

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  25. Liz says:

    I always thought protection/provisioning were part of the “attraction package” myself. If you look at chick lit (which I think is an accurate representation of the “dream” women find appealing) there’s no leading man who is a “poser” who can’t protect and/or provision. It’s always pretty integral and key to the plotline.

    Per spending, I’m not sure it’s a full picture. What do women spend things on? For example, I make no money, and I buy everything for our family. The kids need new shoes, I buy them…which I guess shows up as “my spending” but I spend very little on myself. By contrast, Mike buys spears, boats, guns, lots of expensive items that probably don’t all combine to be as much as “my spending” on the kids and house (toilet paper, et al).

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  26. Liz says:

    Fuzzie: A few years ago, I stumbled across an article about a small NY chain of grocery stores opening a “man aisle”. If I remember, the bottom line was that in the early eighties, women accounted for something like 86% of purchases. Now, it’s like 69%. So, from a botom up iewpoint, men are regaining purhasing power. It had to happen. Marriage rates went a lot too.”

    I’m wondering if that isn’t more a sign of the times (iow, broken homes). Dad has partial custody and/or some take on the caregiver roll and they buy more of family-type items than before.
    What would a “man aisle” in the grocery store look like? I’m honestly curious. Women have all sorts of makeup and lotions and potions, and then then have tampons, anti-itch creams, post-vag birth diapers, and other feminine hygiene items for their really high-maintenance reproductive kit. What would a man aisle have? Masculine scented toilet paper, “masculine scented”…candles? I’m serious here. They aren’t going to put tomahawks or hardware tools on the grocery store walls they have other stores for that.

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  27. I would agree w Cill and Liz that provision/protection and tingles can all come in one package. It is true that there are ones who seemingly bring little but tingles to the table and still get away w that, but I’d bet in those cases they either bring extremely good looks to the table or huge display of strength/power/athleticism/dominance that could be viewed as a type of potential non monetary provision/protection (aka the bad boy who would have no problem living in a world that no longer operates on money but anarchy.)

    I think there’s also the case that the tingles guys approach, approach, approach and they are comfortable and at ease w women as a result. I wonder how many good provider/steady Eddie type sit on the sidelines and watch the pretty girls go by but don’t actually make much attempt to connect with them out of inexperience, lack of confidence, etc?

    A guy who offers tingles alone is sort of like a gal who is very pretty but who is a total bitch otherwise — they may skate along on their one trick pony but are they really “winning” or “a catch?” Maybe short term…

    I also strongly disagree w the sphere cliche of the alpha being some totally hedonistic poon slayer who pumps and dumps as many women as possible. I always think of alpha as men other men respect. Men pick the alphas, women simply key into that and come along w alpha status as a perk of being at the top (bc hypergamy.)

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  28. I also disagree w the sphere cliche that provision/protection equals an immediate tingles turnoff, as if its either/or. A strong provider/protector can be incredibly sexy. In that case lack of tingles likely comes from some other missing element. Women base attraction on a seriously complex multi faceted system (a+c+f+d+z might work as well as b+g+h+z but any combo minus z never works, or something, if that makes any sense, then throw in hormonal cycles) vs men who seem to either feel attracted or not, boner or no boner, end of.

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  29. Then there are the lone wolf ones who seemingly have nothing to offer (not really money, looks, skills, etc) but have four hb10s on speed dial just waiting for a call. They are a mystery.

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  30. Liz says:

    “Then there are the lone wolf ones who seemingly have nothing to offer (not really money, looks, skills, etc) but have four hb10s on speed dial just waiting for a call. They are a mystery.”

    I think they probably have more going for them than meets the eye, if they are pulling four hb10s. Or at least, have the APPEARANCE of having more going for them. Women also look for “potential”. Sometimes they’re stupid and it’s fake potential.

    But I’ve always been a value investor (in all things…I bought Apple when it was a penny stock…well, almost a penny stock) and I caught Mike when he was just wee and had potential. 😛

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  31. Liz says:

    My “value investor” mind is actually why I ask about the “man aisle” in the store. I’m not being a smartass, I am serious and would totally invest in an untapped market.
    But I think it’s more likely that there’s no “man aisle” in the grocery store because there is no market for it.

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  32. @ Liz smart move on the value investor mindset. It fascinates me that despite not being raised to think like that and how young you were, you still got that. So few do…

    @fuzzie I disagree that women would prefer to live wo a man than w one. I like having a man in my life and feel somewhat at a loss wo one. Tether less. I think men and women need each other, yin/yang.

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  33. Liz says:

    “Liz smart move on the value investor mindset. It fascinates me that despite not being raised to think like that and how young you were, you still got that. So few do…”

    Thanks Bloom. 🙂
    I’m not just the product of my mother though. The more I observe our sons’ various behaviors the more I believe genetics are pretty key (even nervous habits seem to be inherited…so weird) and I’m 100 percent my Dad when it comes to a lot of things. Probably the most important things. One of those important things is….I pretty much ignore and do the opposite of whatever my Mom says. 😛

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  34. Spawny Get says:

    Har Har
    Labour turns hard left…

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  35. SFC Ton says:

    Much of this is driven by the changing nature of work and the way mIst men ive. Most men do not have a particularly masculine line of work or lifestyle. Seemingly, a robust masculine personal life can hurt your social standing and job advancement in the umc circles.

    Women drive up spending. I don’t know any single men who spend like a woman or family. Like live off a fraction of the cost and when I was married most of the money she spent on the “family” was on things she wanted…. sofa, curtains, stuff for” the kids ” but we about status signaling. …. rationalization hamster ain’t just for bad sexual decisions

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  36. Liz says:

    How much of this spending was prior to kids as opposed to after kids?
    I’m only curious because we had virtually no expenses before kids, and I worked full time. So, we just spent all my money on trips and fun. After the kids came, we had to do things differently. At first, I just went to garage sales but eventually we upscaled because we moved to areas with more hifalutin environments…for the sole reason that we wanted our kids to be in better environments and go to better schools. And this requires more overhead costs. What’s the male equivalent of the hamster? I’m not running this show, I can tell you that.

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  37. Yoda says:

    Women also look for “potential”.

    Rare in modern women this is.
    Important in olden days it was

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  38. Liz says:

    The above, is NOT a complaint. We have a great life. There are just expenses that are incurred by having a family. That’s just the way it is. Sons are cheaper than daughters but our kids aren’t going to go to their schools with holes in their shoes or clothing…and we live in a VERY casual (though high income) place. If we live in Miami there are be a ton of expenses…from living inside a gated community to the expense of private schools. So it’s relatively cheap here, yet again there are a ton of family related expenses. Just went out to a base event last night that required expense (and a certain level of attire). These things are related.

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  39. Liz says:

    Thought I’d add: “Sons are cheaper than daughters..”
    Except for food. Good grief. I wish we lived on a farm.

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  40. SFC Ton says:

    While.it is true women shop for the family, and families have a different set of requirements it is also true women spend more money, carry more debt etc etc .

    If you ars trying to argue otherwise….. well this clearly isn’t one of the two days a month you should be allowed to vote.

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  41. Lol Liz true, I can remember my brother could drink a galon of milk a day as a teen, eat an entire bucket of fried chicken followed by a whole pizza. He seemed to inhale food!

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  42. Cill says:

    Boys eat all right. But do they burn it off? If I don’t burn it off something goes out of kilter. I’m pretty sure I could be a violent crim if I didn’t burn off enough calories to maintain a stable body weight. I’ve not read or heard of any info to support this theory, though.

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  43. Yoda says:

    Darth Maul thin he is.
    Perhaps evil consumes calories it does

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  44. Yoda says:

    Moe thick he would be.

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  45. Cill says:

    Heh. My argument is invalid. It takes a lot of energy to be violent. A man would burn it off in the course of his violent activities.

    The real issue is, how does a man use his energy, and that’s hardly an original question.

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  46. Cill says:

    Thick as 2 short planks Moe is.

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  47. Yoda says:

    Perhaps too many pikelets Moe did have

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  48. My brother loved rugby and so burned it off that way.

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  49. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, we don’t measure by planks in the rugged Coromandel. The oblong rock is our unit of measurement.
    1 oblong rock = about 1 foot in you foreign jokers’ language.

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  50. Plus rugby provided an outlet for legit violence as well!

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  51. Moehau Man says:

    Rugby Union is the only foreign game we Moehau Mans play. Rugby took hold in the rugged Coromandel in the late 1800s. We would be world champs if the Referees didn’t give so many penalties against us. Our games usually end before 80 minutes is up and we’ve all been red-carded. As Mrs Moehau Man (my rugby fanatic old mum) once observed, “Rules and Referees are wrecking the game.”

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  52. Yoda says:

    Use clubs to play rugby you do?

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  53. Moehau Man says:

    Moehau Man males and females will all watch the 2015 Rugby World Cup about to kick off in Spawny’s strange foreign land. We will watch grudgingly, as our entire squad, players and coaches and managers and water boys, has been red-carded for roughing up referees and IRB officials.

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  54. Moehau Man says:

    “Use clubs to play rugby you do?”
    You refer to the patsy game of hockey, I believe. What Moehau Man in his right mind would spend days fashioning a Kauri Club, only to use it on a ball?

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  55. BuenaVista says:

    One of the issues in the manosphere is a tendency to lay down a catechism and then preach on an equation that explains female desire and male desireability. I have found these rules informative and helpful; however, two of the problems with this approach are:

    a. women don’t follow rulebooks, and generally are entirely incurious as to what attracts them to a man. (How many conversations have you had with a woman in which she speculates on what she wants and why? I: Zero. I’ve had many conversations in which a woman rapturously describes a single attribute of a man — which means, “This is why I fucked him or tried to” — but ordinarily, this kind of thinking, expressed, may be translated as “I can’t figure out why I’m unhappy” or “I can’t figure out why I’m single.”

    b. women and men change (in their desire and desirability) over time.

    Item b) is the source of great angst. Example: A friend took a second husband for “security”, and she got security: He earns about 10x the local average income. Only problem is he’s as interesting upstairs and downstairs as a fence post. It never occurred to her to marry someone she liked to talk to and screw. (Let’s call this the single attribute fallacy.)

    So of course she had an affair with someone who was interesting to her upstairs and downstairs, and who doesn’t work for money any longer. Now that he abstains from their illicit relationship she’s in a panic, staring at 40 more years with “security.” If someone suggests a few ways to work on her marital relationship she blanches and says things (cliche to us) to the effect of “Why doesn’t he just get it?” Well, gosh, she married him for one reason, and he’s fulfilled her expectation in that regard. Net-net: women do believe they can just have it all, it’s an expectation and an entitlement, and critical self-awareness on motives and objectives is lacking.

    (All men should ask themselves if someone is in love with them for one attribute or many. The former might be great for a trip to the big city and rocking out on a picnic at the lake, but they are going to be UNHA-A-A-A-PPY once they realize they want attributes B-Zed, as well.)

    There’s no way she would have discovered the attractiveness of simultaneous sexual athleticism and material provisioning as a young girl. In her 20’s she was walking around with movie star+ looks, men fell at her feet. Life has proved to be more complicated. She has rediscovered the benefits of pot, which is stronger than ever, so at least there’s that.

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  56. BuenaVista says:

    I always enjoyed handing my dough over to the ex- to manage and spend. And spend we did: consistently 105% of my W-2 and capital gains. I was a drafthorse, and each year another ton was thrown onto the wagon I was pulling. So I pulled like a motherfucker.

    In the aftermath of the divorce, which I did not seek, I paid alimony, child support, and bought extras such as new cars for her so she didn’t kill the children. And I had more disposable income than ever, a housekeeper twice a week, a gardener, spurious trips with women overseas, a new Bellanca. How and why I have no idea. Perhaps she overspent as a form of passive-aggressive disapproval. Perhaps she is just a child in terms of her financial management (Liz is a unicorn, no reason to raise her counter-example).

    This is why, incidentally, most churches are unbearable. They are structured to reflect the customers, and the customers are the wives.

    I told a woman recently, someone I love, that I will never marry her. Devote myself forever, love only her, protect her from all comers. But, separate households. She doesn’t understand why a man in Peak Infatuation would abjure financial and legal risk. To most women, being a man IS TAKING financial and legal risk: they call this form of idiocy “commitment.” (Obviously, they, the chicks, have none.)

    Or, as I was discussing with my pastor/buddy this week, even in the Bible all relationships *of merit* are two-way streets, a minor fact that a) Churchian America ignores in its service to the precious wives controlling the offertory; and b) secular America ignores because otherwise women could not spend 50% in excess of their personal income, allowing men to achieve economic agency.

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  57. Yoda says:

    My “value investor” mind

    Women invest in their husbands they should.
    Loot them they do instead.
    Works poorly in the long run this does.

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  58. Cill says:

    “Labour turns hard left”
    What happened over there, Spawny? (apart from the NZ All Blacks arriving for the World Cup)

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  59. Yoda says:

    generally are entirely incurious as to what attracts them to a man.

    No need to be curious they have.
    When upper hand one does have,
    work such as thinking is required not

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  60. Liz says:

    “If you ars trying to argue otherwise….. well this clearly isn’t one of the two days a month you should be allowed to vote.”

    Lol it is NOT my voting day, Ton. Point taken…but I’m not arguing women aren’t more expensive or more frivolous with their money. Just, the consumption equation is more complicated than who spends what.
    Last night we had a farewell for a good friend. What did everyone get him? Weapons. Weapons everywhere. Mike sent his most recent glock purchase out for repairs to the company (the problem wasn’t the gun but a faulty clip). He sat on the edge of his seat waiting to get that thing back…”Is it here yet?” No. “Is it back yet?” No. “IS it back YET?!?!” NO. Finally it comes back. I assume he only has the two glocks. Come to find out he has FOUR glocks, and two Colts and at least three rifles that I know of in this house.

    I love this about him, honestly, but I don’t have any equivalent materialistic passion (not even touching the boats and spearfishing and fishing and scuba gear. I guess it could be worse, his dad collects planes)…not by a long shot.

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  61. Liz says:

    I don’t know about calories, Cill. I think it depends. For example, since my oldest hit puberty he’s pretty much like a snake, but a snake with a perpetual six pack. Like, he’ll inhale a whole large pizza and there’s no indication of where it goes. How can anyone eat a pizza without at least a short-term bulge? It’s as though the entire thing evaporated. I have to order three large pizzas to feed the family for ONE meal. It’s crazy. Ah well, che bella vita, and all that. 🙂

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  62. Cill says:

    Liz I eat a wide variety of foods I grow, catch or butcher – the type of foods that “fill” me. I seldom eat pizza or mcdonalds etc. The few times I ate pizza it didn’t do much for me. I’d have to eat several pizzas to fill me. It seems to lack substance.

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  63. Liz says:

    “I always enjoyed handing my dough over to the ex- to manage and spend. And spend we did: consistently 105% of my W-2 and capital gains. I was a drafthorse, and each year another ton was thrown onto the wagon I was pulling. So I pulled like a motherfucker.”

    Sorry, BV. 😦

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  64. Liz says:

    “Liz I eat a wide variety of foods I grow, catch or butcher – the type of foods that “fill” me. I seldom eat pizza or mcdonalds etc. The few times I ate pizza it didn’t do much for me. I’d have to eat several pizzas to fill me. It seems to lack substance.”

    I don’t usually get fast food…but whoa, “several pizzas”? I don’t know, they eat a LOT of all sorts of things (including fresh vegets and fruit and fish caught just that day, and so forth). I think they’re just on metabolic overdrive.

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  65. Cill says:

    “eat several pizzas”
    I’ve never actually done that, but I consumed a large pizza once and still felt hungry.

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  66. Cill says:

    “most churches are unbearable… the customers are the wives.”

    I know an Anglican priest, who says the church needs to attract more men. I have buggar all church experience, but I’ve heard some hints of feminist rant from the pulpit. Stupid, when they want to attract more men.

    When we head off to church for a family christening my friend the priest admits to spreading the message that a bunch of “fine young men” will be coming. Everything then picks up, apparently. Young women who have been on-and-off church goers will suddenly be keen to attend. Older women are enlivened by the vigor the young men bring. The whole place “crackles with energy”.

    And yet feminist rant from the pulpit. Dumb. Feminism is thicker than Moe.

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  67. BuenaVista says:

    Cill, if you’re curious there’s a quick and instructive book: David Murrow, Why Men Hate Going to Church.

    I like to argue, and it’s fun to discuss this book with ministers and priests. They’re not prepared for it, as they are not prepared for civilians who challenge their customer orthodoxy. This is true of profoundly conservative preachers in rural society. Basically, they ignore — to the benefit of their sinecures — the directive “The kingdom of God advances by force, and forceful men.” This is BadThought in the contemporary church.

    Many youtubes exist for Murray, if you’re into that stuff.

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  68. Liz says:

    Did anyone see THIS ONE?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3230065/Do-aliens-think-humans-sexist-Experts-debate-pictures-sent-space-make-women-look-submissive.html

    Experts debate whether pictures sent into space on Pioneer 10 spacecraft make women look ‘submissive’
    Yes, those photos are outdated. Current photos would need to add about 50 pounds to the woman. We could just go with manatees and manatee sounds. Or the Mars chick who is not obese but looks like a little lap-dog.
    For true authenticity, we should just send up pictures of our recent tabloids. Then they’re sure to stay away.

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  69. blurkel says:

    This is a premise about to expire due to obsolescense. Increasingly, the various generations are living together as was once the norm. This is due to the increasing costs of modern life and the problem of finding steady and gainful employment with a sufficient income to pay the bills.

    I have frequently brought up my own offspring, for whom employment prospects are slim-to-none, and slim is on a diet.

    One of my kids’ friends holds a degree in mathematics from Arizona State, and is both brilliant and personable. Yet he doesn’t get call-backs when he’s interviewed for math teacher positions, something which is allegedly desperately desired by districts. His wife is not employable, yet the two of them live in his parents’ one-car garage. Two of his three brothers live in the house, all degreed, all brilliant, yet no employer will hire them.

    Other friends have discussed living somewhat communally, as one of them will inherit her grandparents’ paid off house and she is also unemployable. The others would provide the necessary living expenses for the group.

    A friend of Mrs B’s has a 40-something son, completely not interested in either moving out or getting married. He dates, but he discourages any more committed entanglements. He knows that his ailing parents will die before too much longer, and a paid off house is his. He is degreed, has a job which pays six figures, has good looks, and is popular with females. He isn’t at all the loser my kids and their friends appear to be. I include him because he breaks the mold that all single offspring can’t make it in the real world if they had to. He could, but isn’t about to try since he’s already got it all – at least all that he wants.

    But he can expect his job to continue to provide well for him. Where I work, the job conditions are increasingly becoming part-time. The pay isn’t good enough to cover benefits even if enough hours were worked to qualify for them. Anyone with benefits and a chronic condition is getting their hours cut below the threshhold for coverage, which is clearly a tactic to force resignations.

    This is the world my kids are inheriting from my generation. No real prospects, always looking for that next job in case this one ends, and no realistic chances to improve their fiscal condition – at least not legally. One will only get by with a lot of help from their friends.

    I see tingles reducing in importance as having them would interfere with securing provision. Few are going to want to risk ending up on the street by giving in to desire and becoming too needy. Wanting to be fed in a warm and dry place will have that result on people.

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  70. caprizchka says:

    A man who is capable of but nonetheless delays or holds out on “provisioning” until she proves her worth in some way becomes a tingling challenge. There’s such a thing as balance. To simply personify a thinly-dimensioned archetype gets boring quickly.

    Keeping the “challenge” going is what is known as “romance”. A similar dynamic applies with regard to retaining a valued employee. It’s not just “provisioning” but challenge.

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  71. blurkel says:

    @tarnishedsophia

    I follow about 5 MGTOW groups on Facebook, and each one has numerous posts regarding how thrilled men should be that women can no longer rely on them to pay for dates. Is this a foolish stance to take, or does it have validity?

    This is a new take on the Peter Pan attack strategy, in that “women can no longer rely on [men] to pay for dates”. What this tells me is that men are NOT asking women out on dates, and what social activity does happen is at the woman’s initiative. Therefore, she pays.

    But are there 2nd dates? Such events only lead to a desire on her part to push for a committted relationship, something men aren’t too keen to pursue. Part of it has to do with the relatively poor economics in which most men now find themselves. The other part has to do with not sharing the goals most straight women have, and not wanting to surrender to them. Therefore, I come down on the side of this being a valid belief on the part of women. If they want to date, they will pay. If not, there are lots of cats in the shelters which need good homes.

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  72. blurkel says:

    @cillintj

    Tingles or provision are often discussed as if they are mutually exclusive. All men who are aware of them must be curious as to which category they belong.

    I was NEVER in doubt where I stood. I never caused tingles in women until after they got to know me. My main attractant was my future earning potential, and it remains the reason why my marriage remains intact.

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  73. Yoda says:

    Few are going to want to risk ending up on the street by giving in to desire

    Think logically you do.
    Not everyone does this they do.

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  74. Tarnished says:

    Honestly, Blurkel, I’ve always thought that on a modern first date you are generally so unsure of any future together at all that it is only right that both people pay their own way. That way nothing is owed, nor is the person doing the asking out stuck with the entire bill.

    As for second dates (or thirds, fourths, etc) most of the commenters seem to have full to semi monogamous FwB or casual girlfriend relationships. Once/if the female partner begins to put pressure on him for financial assistance, living together, or commitment, he is out of there.

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  75. Yoda says:

    For true authenticity, we should just send up pictures of our recent tabloids. Then they’re sure to stay away.

    Not all aliens friendly like me they are.
    Some like Darth Maul they would be.
    Height of arrogance of scientists to assume as much.
    Sending up plaque with pictures of Andrea, Lindy and Lena fix the problem it would.

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  76. Yoda says:

    Transform this plaque as suggest in previous comment if you will

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  77. Yoda says:

    Perhaps Spawny — Master of GIMP, create such a plaque be could

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  78. blurkel says:

    @Yoda

    May The Open Source Be With You!

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  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    What if an alien saw those three as tasty treats?

    Liz,
    They never did build the “man aisle”. From what I saw, thes was a small, emphasis on the word “small”, NY chain.. I think duplication of product placement would have brought about the downfall of the concept.
    Another thought. Considering the design dates back to the eighties, grocery stores would be heavily feminine oriented to reflect patronage. 84% then vs. 69% now.

    Cill,
    That extra seven trillion has to be coming from somewhere. When marriage rates were at 70%, it may have been supportable but, not at 50%.

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  80. BuenaVista says:

    All the data, all the surveys, show that women expect men to pay. Anyone asserting otherwise is spouting ideology.

    Of course, it’s useful to spout popular ideology: more free dates.

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  81. Liz says:

    How on earth can anyone look at that picture and think the woman looks “too submissive”. How the fuck is a space alien supposed to know what a hand wave is anyway? It could be a sign of surrender for all they know. Or the hand might be stuck that way. How retarded.

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  82. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    I am with you. I don’t read submissiveness into the woman pictured. Maybe the fembots want something overtly feminine domoinant?
    Maybe we’ll find aliens who think fembots are tasty treats like Alf did with cats?

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  83. Yoda says:

    The woman “chick spreading” she is.
    The man is manspreading not.

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  84. Yoda says:

    The symbols on plaque bottom do say “Does being nude make me look fat”?

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  85. Cill says:

    “About debt, this may be the central point of a good post. I think all nations where feminism has taken hold are up to their eyeballs in debt supporting some form of socialism”

    Maybe we could do it jointly, Fuzzy. Drop me an email if you’re keen.

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  86. blurkel says:

    New post Scheduled for 9/16/2015 0:01

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  87. Spawny Get says:

    Cill,

    teh Labour party is now run by Tom and Jerry. Jerry being Jeremy Corblimey, the hard leftist (according to Russia Today). Tom being Tom Watson another leftist, claiming nu meedja ninja skillz, as the age challenged mini peeps might put it.

    In other news, the labia party candidate for London Mayor is a bloke.

    Prompting questions of misogyny over the fact that all three are ebul penis wielders despite the fact that they are the results of democratic elections (by moron lefty true believers).

    The current ‘wisdom’ is that 250000 lefties out of 400000 low iq voters imbue Jeremy ‘JC’ Corbyn with an immense mandate to lead the party where only 10% of MPs voted for him. Many top flight (I jest) MPs have resigned their shadow ministerial posts in order to avoid being associated with the impending clusterfuck of rabid lefty ‘thought’ being confronted by reality. The Tories will crucify his dumbfuck ideas and his radical past.

    The party is going to be shocked, shocked I tell you, when the electorate run for the hills at the next election. They are convinced they lost the last one due to not being left enough, so a ‘right’ wing government got in instead.

    Good times.

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  88. Spawny Get says:

    Love the avatar, Blurkel

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  89. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Cill,
    That is an idea! I have never written, not have I cllaborated on a post. Here, it won’t be necessary to hit one out of the park. All that would be necessary would be to start the thread rolling.
    I am still boggling at the thought of seven trillion. With a world population of seven billion, that is enough to to put a thousand in the pocket of each person on the planet.

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  90. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Blurkel,
    I like the avatar too.

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  91. blurkel says:

    Glad you guys like my portrait! It took forever for Homeland Security to declassify it. And Spawny thought I was joking!

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  92. Yoda says:

    A bear as author good it would be.

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  93. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    I think that you are counting on Cill to untangle my typos.

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  94. Yoda says:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/11/university-of-california-considering-recognizing-a-right-to-be-free-from-expressions-of-intolerance/

    let’s look closely at this:

    1. The policy specifically condemns the expression of particular viewpoints as “intolerant,” as having “no place at the University of California,” and a violation of others’ rights to be “free from … expressions of intolerance.” For instance, articulating a view that people with various intellectual disabilities are incapable of various intellectual tasks, or people with various physical disabilities are incapable of various physical tasks, would be condemned by the authority of the University. (“University leaders will take all appropriate steps to implement the principles.”)

    Articulating a view that there are cultural (or even biological) differences between ethnic and racial groups in various fields — condemned by the authority of the University, without regard to the arguments for or against the particular assertion. It’s just an up-front categorical rule; whatever you want to say along these lines, we don’t want to hear it, we don’t care what your arguments are, we’ll condemn it, and faculty and students have a right not to hear it. Even “depicting” such a view, whatever that means, is “intolerant” and “has no place at the University.”

    Saying that illegal aliens (or noncitizens who are legally here) ought not be appointed to be, say, the student member of the Board of Regents — likewise condemned. And this isn’t limited to situations where the speaker is a participant in a selection decision, which the participants are obligated to make in a nondiscriminatory way. It equally applies to, say, a student newspaper that condemns the appointment of noncitizens to leadership positions. (For a recent controversy along these lines in a local city, which could equally arise at a university, see this story about two illegal aliens named as volunteers to city commissions in an L.A.-area town.)

    And these are just examples. The policy obviously extends to the other categories traditionally joined to race, ethnicity, and disability, such as sex, sexual orientation, or religion.

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  95. Cill says:

    You look a bit frazzled there, brother blurkel. 😀

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  96. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    Without going there, this wouldn’t be more of black people can’t be racist to white or, feminists can’t be sexist to men, would it?
    By the way, from another source, I have heard the this woman has had no discipinary action taken against her. She is the diversity officer for a university in the UK. She held a meeting months ago that excluded whites and men.

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  97. BV, have you asked your lady friend what, besides marriage, it would take for her to trust you are committed? I know a couple w a 20+ year relationship just as you describe. It seems to be working for them…

    As for men paying on dates, pre red pill I hate to say I never questioned that he wouldn’t. Since the rp I have been a lot more concious of offering to pay. That offer is mostly declined but I can tell it is appreciated.

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  98. Liz says:

    “They never did build the “man aisle”. From what I saw, thes was a small, emphasis on the word “small”, NY chain.”

    Somehow I missed this post, Fuzzie.
    A few father’s days back we bought some “man scented” candles. It was like a “special” seasonal product for the Yankee candle company. Scents were stuff like ‘Mantown’ (which smelled like Axe brand shampoo), ‘freshly cut lawn’ ‘leather’ and so forth. The kids were very exciting, “Let’s get daddy man town!”

    Well, those candles are still sitting there in the cupboard. At the end of the day it’s nicer to have a house that smells like baked bread or fresh linen or cinnamon or lavendar or something than grass or aftershave. Fun idea though. 🙂

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  99. Sumo says:

    At the end of the day it’s nicer to have a house that smells like baked bread or fresh linen or cinnamon or lavendar or something than grass or aftershave.

    Hell yeah. Freshly baked bread FTW.

    By the way, Darth Maul likes the smell of vanilla.

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  100. BuenaVista says:

    Of course she does.

    Next she’ll be whining that no one has the right to read her FB pages, that doing so is ‘unwanted attention’ and therefore sexual assault.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11857720/Lawyer-who-accused-barrister-of-sexism-has-described-men-online-as-hot-stuff.html

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  101. Liz says:

    That was a very nice compliment too. Her face is round and her hairstyle unflattering. What a stupid crack.

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  102. Liz says:

    After doing some reading it sounds like she is receiving a lot of backlash (career-impacting backlash), which is fortunate if true.

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  103. Sumo says:

    I was going to make a sexist and misogynistic comment about how that chick should be grateful for any attention at all, but Lizard beat me to it.

    On a related note, in much the same manner that I dubbed Bloomer’s spawn “Bloomettes”, I have decided that from now on, Lizard’s kids shall be known as the Lizardmen.

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  104. Lol Liz I actually bought one of those candles! 🙂 I like how men smell!

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  105. Liz says:

    Lizardmen. I like it. 😀

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  106. Mrs. Yoda says:

    Scents were stuff like ‘Mantown’ (which smelled like Axe brand shampoo), ‘freshly cut lawn’ ‘leather’ and so forth.

    Bought Yoda some “decaying swamp” aftershave I did.
    Love it he does.

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  107. That’s funny, the sjw being a victim of self deserved social justice!

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  108. Victim is not the right word as she’s no victim, recipient is more like it

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  109. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    That story is all over the internet. So far, this is the best video I have seen on it.

    From what I have been able to see, he restricted his compliments to the photo which kept it all in the bounds of good taste. She set a a trap for anyone who would say anything. I have heard that none of her collegues will talk to to her now, so, she doesn’t have a career anymore.
    Good!

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  110. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I like the smell of fresh ut grass. I don’t think that would be a seuslly charged issue.

    As for that barrister, it may indicate that we have reached a point where the community has had quite enough of this foolishness.
    Peak feminism?

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  111. Yoda says:

    Wore aftershave on Planet Vegas I did.
    Much interest I did receive.
    Swamps so fresh and green they do smell.

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  112. Yoda says:

    By the way, Darth Maul likes the smell of vanilla.

    Know this how you would?

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  113. Sumo says:

    The Mighty Sumo knows all.

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  114. Liz says:

    Natural man smell is better than any cologne.
    Washed man smell, that is. Not odiferous, haven’t washed in days smell.
    That’s not man, that’s bacteria.

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  115. Liz says:

    “I have heard that none of her collegues will talk to to her now, so, she doesn’t have a career anymore. Good.

    Yes, this is very very good. I like it when unpleasant, mean people get their comeuppance.

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  116. Liz says:

    I just left another base function (Wing Commander, change of command). Wow, that was like chick crack (not that I’ve ever taken crack).
    Holy crap Mike was up there saying (whatever, some sort of grunt “heyah” or some such, and every body else grunted the same…whothefuckcares it was so riveting I wanted to jump up and down and say, “That’s MY MAN! That’s right bitches!”) I’m going to have erotic dreams about that for a while, I’m sure. Funny how different the ‘work face’ and ‘home face’ can be.
    And why this primal limbic response to it? Just thinking out loud. It’s seriously powerful, even when you can intellectualize it and analyze it, and think to yourself, “Huh, that’s interesting….wonder why that is?” it’s still powerful.

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  117. Yoda says:

    New post there is.

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  118. blurkel says:

    @cillintj

    You look a bit frazzled there, brother blurkel. 😀

    You should see me on a BAD day! 😀

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  119. blurkel says:

    It’s articles like this by Dr Helen Smith which makes me like what she has to say about the motives men have to go MGTOW: http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2015/08/22/observations-on-relationships-in-a-grocery-store/

    I noticed one couple in their twenties or early thirties with a young child. The mother held the child and looked sourly at the father who did not say much. He tried to put a blanket around the kid but she gave him a look that said he was incompetent (at least from what I could observe). She looked put out with him as he pulled his jacket hood over his head and ran out to get the car in the downpour, looking like a soaked rat, and then pulled up to retrieve her and the child, who got into the warm car and left.

    I thought about how men quietly go about their day helping in ways that are often not recognized, or worse, greeted with a sour expression and a sense of entitlement from the women in their lives (and sometimes from other men). “Is this the life of a man in a relationship?” I wondered.

    Yes, Doc. It is. All too often.

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  120. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    I don’t think that I am wrong about this ut, I think that you like Mike. Also, I think that you are a better military wife than Mary Custis Lee.

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  121. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Blurkel,
    I drew a mental picture of what Dr. Helen Smith describerd. The kid had to be working sixty to seventy hours a week to food on the table so she could stay home.
    The good news is that she did not give him a verbal beat down.

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  122. SFC Ton says:

    Liz I have been thinking about writing on that so hit me up on at my place.

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  123. Liz says:

    Aw, thanks Fuzzie. 🙂

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  124. Liz says:

    Ton, I didn’t see any way to send an e mail so I just made a post at your site. 🙂

    I found out what he was saying. It wasn’t “hey a” it was “parade rest”.

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