Consent Forms — A View From the Ground


As mentioned in the previous post, one way to attempt to gauge the true intent of a new law is to evaluate it its impact.  From the perspective of an individual college age woman, one interested in playing the field (NAWALT applies) as effectively advocated by thought leaders, then these laws appear as if they would have a positive impact.  These will both be implicitly upon the women, and many will undoubtedly also explicitly use these laws to good effect.

First the implicit part.  These consent forms can hardly help but have a chilling effect on young men who possess poor or marginal confidence, social skills, appearance, risk taking nature, etc. required to function well in the SMP.  These attractive to women men are often referred to as alphas, and will have the field to themselves.  However, there is some question as to whether there will be a chilling effect on them also, for there are many scenarios where they might get into trouble also.  But in the end, many women would consider this situation as an improvement, as less attractive men no longer even bother, making her task simpler.

As for the explicit part, here is a quote from Dalrock,

I think there is another side to the same coin. These women don’t just want to build a better beta, they want to tame the alpha. In fact, I think the former is just another way they are trying to approach the latter. They want to take an inherently unsafe activity and make it safe. They want to submit to a man without having to submit; they want a man who can tame their feral self. They want him to trip their danger signals. Even better if he is a stranger from a strange land.

They want this all to happen without giving up their freedom; they want to play this out in the context of serial monogamy, so they can feel loved while also claiming their promiscuity is moral. They want to lose control to a string of strangers who have all of the hallmarks of very dangerous men, and they want a promise that this will always end well.

They want to know that this will be safe, without it losing the excitement of it feeling unsafe. They are telling men to build a sort of serial monogamy amusement park where they can ride the roller coaster and experience the fear of falling or crashing, while knowing that just behind the scenes grown ups are actually in charge and are responsible for them safely feeling unsafe.

One more thing. As I mentioned above they don’t want to be hemmed in. So instead of building an actual amusement park, they want roller coasters to spring up randomly in the same exact circumstances where the real danger they mimic would appear. They want to be driving their car on the freeway one instant, and the next experience the fear of careening out of control. They want to impulsively jump off the edge of the Grand Canyon and have a parachute appear and deploy at the last minute. And all they ask is your guarantee that all of this will be safe.

Basically these women want a very safe sexual theme park where they can manipulate the situation to optimize whatever it is that they want (e.g. tingles), and be safe at the same time (with they themselves possibly manipulating the environment to make this happen).  The new consent form laws provide many possibilities here.  It is not known exactly how the law may be utilized by young women; but it takes little imagination to think of ways that it could be used to achieve the above mentioned theme park goals.

But once again, long term effects apparently are ignored.  Or perhaps the people behind these laws do not care.

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116 comments on “Consent Forms — A View From the Ground
  1. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    The people behind these laws do not care, as you said.

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  2. I would guess that neither the you g women or men even understand how the game they are told is “how it works” doesn’t work. And it really doesn’t work for allhas, betas, or women ranked 1-10. It’s a broken s riot on all levels. The old ways are what works. Mono y mono.

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  3. A broken script… On all levels. Any illusion of “winning” is at best temporary.

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I do remember when “yes means yes” was being pushed through the California legislature. No one had any idea how “affirmative consent” was going to work, rendering the law unworkable. To add to that, it was unconstitutionally vague. That is deliberate legislative incompetence capped with Jerry Brown signing it into law.
    I think that the feminists own government if they allow themselves to be compromised to that extent.

    Five geneations ago, I had an uncle that left for Texas while it was still a republic. We don’t have that option now.

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  5. Yoda says:

    Odd that the implantation of the law they consider not.
    Such consideration is what lawmakers should by definition do.

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  6. molly says:

    Yoda I don’t understand “Odd that the implantation or the law they consider not”. Is it a typo?

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  7. SFC Ton says:

    lol @ not winning

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  8. Yoda says:

    “Of” that should be.
    Kiwi auto corrects work better than Degoban ones they do?

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  9. molly says:

    I don’t use auto correct. It’s hard to express myself already, without auto express on top!

    [SG – ‘auto express’? That is just perfect. You have brightened Swithunus’ day on this, the best of days…St Swithun’s Day]

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  10. Yoda says:

    People “winning” as Charlie Sheen does win.

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  11. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    That had to be typo. “Odd that the implementation of the law they consider not.”

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  12. molly says:

    Thanks Fuzzie! Aren’t you in the wee hours in your part of the world?
    After 1:30 a.m??

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  13. @ ton respectfully, let’s see in 5 years. I hope you are winning. Your lifestyle is IMHO as “progressive” as any. No offense.

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  14. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Molly,
    I should be sleeping and dreaming all sorts of good bear things.

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  15. @ ton again respectfully, I hope that “marriage is just a piece of paper” thing works out better for you and yours than it did for me. But that marriage these days means much more but I hope you get what I am saying. On e offspring are involved, there are no risk free options…

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  16. * Not that marriage means…

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  17. molly says:

    Fuzzie dream of:

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  18. molly says:

    I think it’s Golden Kumara, a kind of yam!
    (yum)
    It will make you sleep.

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  19. molly says:

    Wishing Spawny a happy St Swithun’s Day! 🙂

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  20. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, I’ve been scratching me bonker about what sort of gift to send to Spawny in honour of ➡

    St Swithun’s Day

    … which comes but once a year along with “Prime Day” (Amazon’s birthday). After all, if it’s good enough for the Patriarch to don his tin hat in commemoration of today, it behoves us to make some sort of a gesture as well.

    I’ve been tossing up between a Kauri Club, a codpiece, or a separate length of oblong rock. After some earnest reflection, I realized it would be easier to reduce a Kauri Club to a size appropriate for Spawny, than to reduce a standard codpiece or oblong rock. So after the reduction process, which involved the removal of a substantial amount of timber, I completed the Kauri Club to the stage where it is a prime implement befitting of a prime day, and dispatched it to him.

    The gift was to be a complete surprise so I was reluctant to ask Spawny to send me his personal dimensions, which would have given the show away. Instead I made the following assumptions: he is long of trunk and short of limb, walks with a swinging lopsided gait somewhat reminiscent of Neanderthal Man, is ambidextrous, and has prehensile feet. The Club is a specialized one designed to be wielded by his left foot.

    I’m sure you will all join me in wishing Spawny the best with his new Kauri Club, and we trust that he will apply it in the removal of such obstructions as North Pole Penguin Dave and Harriet Harmen.

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  21. Moehau Man says:

    This comment is number 29820. It would be appropriate if we were to hit 30 grand today, but too much of a pipe dream to expect it. As Mrs Moehau Man (my sensible old mum) said, “Let each celebration have its own day, each with its own opportunities for pikelet sales.”

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  22. Liz says:

    “Basically these women want a very safe sexual theme park where they can manipulate the situation to optimize whatever it is that they want (e.g. tingles), and be safe at the same time (with they themselves possibly manipulating the environment to make this happen). The new consent form laws provide many possibilities here.”

    I don’t see how the consent form is anything but a screen. Women don’t really want to “tame” the alpha, they want to “own” the alpha. The contract is anti-libido. Their vag will probably dry the minute the guy hands her a pen. I can’t actually imagine a scenario (of the “I got carried away one night” variety anyway).

    I’m going to argue a bit with the above, although I agree with the spirit of the statement. I just don’t think this is inherently a bad thing. Everyone wants the excitement of the rollercoaster ride without the danger (that’s why they pick the roller coaster instead of an actual run-away cart plunging down a mountain). Women like the dopamine rush without actually being with a disloyal man they can’t trust. Men like this too, that’s the madonna/whore complex. Most men would prefer a loyal and nurturing wife who also fucks them like a porn star and frequently.

    Off Topic: Today Amazon is having some great sales! Check it out if you need to buy something.
    🙂

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  23. Liz says:

    Ooops…should have read before posting. Last sentence of the first paragraph should have been:
    I can’t actually imagine a scenario (of the “I got carried away one night” variety anyway) where the ‘contract’ wouldn’t put a damper on spontaneity, which is pretty key in that sort of scenario.

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  24. Spawny Get says:

    Anyone seen Molly?

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  25. Liz says:

    “Odd that the implantation of the law they consider not.
    Such consideration is what lawmakers should by definition do.”

    They only see as far as the next election cycle.

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  26. SFC Ton says:

    Progressive? Compared to 1950ad? Sure

    Compared to 550ad? Not so much

    Fuck amazon.com. won’t sell my flag but will sell shit from the black panthers etc.

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  27. theasdgamer says:

    I can’t actually imagine a scenario (of the “I got carried away one night” variety anyway) where the ‘contract’ wouldn’t put a damper on spontaneity, which is pretty key in that sort of scenario.

    “Liz, please sign this consent form so that I can undo your bra.” Lol It’s so absurd. How did we get here? We shouldn’t need to talk about this stuff. Isn’t it ignorable, really? How many lives will it impact directly? Don’t you have a better chance of winning the lottery?

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  28. Liz says:

    Just to expand on “tame” versus “ownership” (since I don’t want to post at Dalrock, nothing personal I just don’t like religious debate which typically progresses into dueling-banjo-style google searches for conflicting Bible quotes)

    Tame= Her to him: “Do the dishes, bitch!”
    Ownership= Her about him: “See that guy? That guy is MY MAN and I’m his woman.”

    There is pride in the second. No woman will respect a man (maybe NAWALT, but I am like that) she “tames” he ceases to be what she was attracted to in the first place.

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  29. theasdgamer says:

    Yeah, women are attracted to men who hold to their boundaries when women test them. Of course, the same women who are attracted by boundary-holding men will whine about the fact that men are holding their boundaries. As Deti says, this is a feature, not a bug. Women whining is a feature. (I know, you can’t believe that I said that.) The whine is confirmation of attraction. (In that case, the appropriate response is to chuckle masterfully.) Sometimes, women whining is “good for the chil-drennnn.” Sometimes women whining alerts men to plague and varmints that men need to deal with. Sometimes it causes men to invent a device that will change what women whine about, lol.

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  30. missattempts says:

    “Don’t raise the bridge, lower the water,” is an excellent phrase describing the liberal
    mindset. Another is: “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”
    When the idealist believes he can FORCE results like Communism and Socialism,
    the whole community suffers. Also, a lot of dishonest shyster’s and poverty pimps
    operate under the guise of “good.”
    Evil requires many helpers to win. Media propagandists. Educational propagandists.
    Political propagandists. Religious cult propagandists. Psychological and perceptual
    experts all dedicated to controlling human behaviour. It’s terrible to believe that the
    masses are literally being instructed to commit slow suicide, and the evil enities are
    doing this for money and sex. It’s the new slavery of our time.
    BTW, if Tarnished should see this, I recommend that she watch the film: “The House
    Of Yes,” (1997) She might find it interesting given what she’s been through in her life.

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  31. Spawny Get says:

    “Sometimes it causes men to invent a device that will change what women whine about”
    Nicely done…lmao

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  32. Yoda says:

    I don’t see how the consent form is anything but a screen

    Think creatively enough you do not.
    “Honey we need form not”,she might say.
    Then leverage for all she can.

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  33. theasdgamer says:

    Liz, if a woman is totally secure that she owns a man, I think that she will quit trying. I think that the best case is when a woman is chasing hard. The man is her highest-SMV attainable option and she is slightly ahead of his other options.

    The woman chases and is happy that she keeps her man (she “wins” a lot) and the man is happy because the woman is chasing (i.e., working hard to make him happy). Lots of flirting. The sex will be excellent for both. There will be sammiches made. Honeydos will get done. There will be cuddles. Felicity.

    If the woman is totally secure, she won’t chase. The man won’t have other options. No preselection. The man’s SMV will be low. What there is of sex between the couple will be miserable. Cuckolding will be a threat. No sammiches will be made. Lots of bitching and drama. Not much flirting Honeydos will get done sporadically. There will still be cuddles. The woman may be somewhat content, but the man will be miserable.

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  34. theasdgamer says:

    Rambling from the flirting takeoff point from my last comment. Mrs. Gamer and I flirt mostly. In the kitchen when Mrs. Gamer is cooking. Walking from the car to the store or dance studio. I’ll flirt with other women while I’m walking with Mrs. Gamer. Eye-flirting or I’ll wave if I know them. Options. Preselection.

    Funny, I don’t even think about flirting, I just do it. It’s part of who I am. I think that flirting is normally part of men’s mental wiring, but then we men second-guess ourselves and wonder if a comment is over the top. We wonder if a sexual comment shows a lack of social awareness/sensitivity.

    (Spergy mood-killer trigger warning for Liz, heh.) Like my comment about undoing your bra. I started to second-guess myself and delete that sentence, but it really was authentic, so I left it and added enough germane prose to give me comfort and also give you plausible deniability to like it. It shows social awareness and willingness to risk and sexual interest.

    Even with the added prose, some lurkers probably thought that my comment was over the top and were surprised that you liked it. Hopefully the young men lurking will see how flirting works. Women like it if a man gives enough plausible deniability when he sexualizes. That shows the man’s social awareness/sensitivity. The Hamster works to discover which meaning the man really meant and this causes the woman to increase her estimate of his SMV.

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  35. Yoda says:

    “Signed for x we did, but y you did”.
    Do what I want you should.

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  36. Yoda says:

    “If insist on a contract, man you are not”
    Later, “Assault me you did”

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  37. Tarnished says:

    Some women want “dangerous” men who give them “thrills” it would seem. Why this is? Tingles unactivated otherwise they are?

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  38. Yoda says:

    Yodish virus contagious it is

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  39. Yoda says:

    “Signed I did.
    Carte Blanche thought you had.
    Everything you did.
    But inebriated I was.
    Prove not this you can.
    Believe me they will.
    By your balls you I do have.”

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  40. I wonder how many students will actually use the consent forms or what they think of them? Are they the next layer of safe sex? The condom for stds, the contract for ??? From a female pov I still don’t see what the contract “protects” her from? As Liz pointed out yesterday, a true rapist isn’t going to give two cents about a contract. Any guy who signs one wouldn’t have raped her anyway. I am missing something here…

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  41. Yoda says:

    Jedi prophecy there is.
    When Spawney’s space 30000 comments it does have,
    Yodish virus spread complete it will be.
    Periodic recurrances all commenters will have.

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  42. @ Yoda avoid women like that one should do!

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  43. Yoda says:

    Also spell Spawny incorrectly they will.

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  44. Yoda says:

    Yoda avoid women like that one should do!

    Prophecy coming to fruition it is.

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  45. Liz says:

    “Some women want “dangerous” men who give them “thrills” it would seem. Why this is?”
    Dopamine, probably. Same reason some people find it thrilling to have sex in unconventional places.

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  46. Yoda says:

    An example of Jedi prophecy this is,

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  47. Maybe it’s part of this hooking up thing I don’t understand? From what I have been told by college age kids, having a boyfriend or girlfriend is passé. It’s all wo attachments or strings anymore. Or is it? I find it pretty hard to believe sex can be reduced to little more than a handshake or blowing one’s nose. It’s a highly intimate act, once reserved for those w a lifetime commitment to each other. What difference is hooking up vs. the ppp? More importantly, is all this a “good” thing for any involved? Even the alpha male (supposedly the winner here) risks 18 years of child support plus the emotional pain of a child he may not even know? What does the female gain from this?

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  48. What does the female gain? Well I guess now she can have the alpha for one night? Think she’s “all that?” Is that really worth losing the concept of a life mate over? I don’t get these new fangaled ways I guess…

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  49. @ ton I don’t mean any disrespect, I hope you and your do win and are together happily always. I wish that for all here! Heck I hope to find that yet myself! Peace.

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  50. Liz says:

    “Maybe it’s part of this hooking up thing I don’t understand? From what I have been told by college age kids, having a boyfriend or girlfriend is passé. It’s all wo attachments or strings anymore. Or is it? I find it pretty hard to believe sex can be reduced to little more than a handshake or blowing one’s nose. It’s a highly intimate act, once reserved for those w a lifetime commitment to each other.”

    You don’t understand it because you aren’t fucked up. A great great many women these days are. I have no idea what they think they are gaining from it. Women aren’t like men, so I don’t see how there would be any thrill in getting pumped and dumped by anyone (no, not even a famous actor or musician…who gives a shit? “Oh squee! I swallowed Aerosmith jizz…only the best for me!” WTF?). Really, it’s bizzare behavior.

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  51. Maybe that’s it Liz. Even in high chill, I had tickets to a concert (it actually may have been Scorpians/Aerosmith actually!) and a gal I knew from school was also going. She wanted me to do the groupie thing with her. I was like, “nah, you go ahead…” It just held no appeal whatsoever, for me. For her it seemed like a big deal to “try and get picked” by a band member, or failing that, a roadie. Yucked me out! 😦

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  52. * High school

    Last time I saw this girl I was back visiting where I grew up and was invited to this Val’s house to a party. There she was, living in a trailer park, single mom w two kids by a guy she never married (but he was out of her league, I guess?) smoking pot w her kids in the room. Let’s all guess how that all turned out? Winning?

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  53. This was at age 20 so her kids would now be 24 and 26 ish?

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  54. Tarnished says:

    Having sex with someone just because they’re famous? Yeah…no. That has got to be the stupidest reason. People should have sex if they are wanting to share a highly intimate experience with someone they care about who *also* cares about them.

    I can understand if the prerequisite level of care is different from person to person (for example, just caring that they as a person get off VS caring that they are happy for the rest of their life VS caring that they get home safe after leaving your bed). But to be intimate with someone…male or female…that you think is wholly interchangeable with any other random human being?

    Ew. No thanks.

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  55. Liz says:

    Mike knew a girl in highschool who had sex with David Lee Roth. I think she said something about him wearing a hair hap (wig, or something) and being a lousy screw. Well…she was there, servicing him where does that put her? Mike’s sister had some stripper friends in college (I knew them too). There was a famous actor (married) staying at a hotel near the campus and they showed up at his room door wearing negligee. He invited them in. They were very excited about this “cool” experience. Of course, they were also excited about screwing random “hot” bartenders, and so forth. They looked about 10 years older than they were back then, that sort of lifestyle ages women like raw shellfish (on a Turkish food tray made for display-only, in the middle of summer).

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  56. Anyway I thought it was very sad even back then. I didn’t want to hang out and made excuses to leave and go do something else. Yuck! Hopefully she figured it out, chances are she didn’t.

    Yesterday while driving I saw these two overweight fugly teen girls driving. The driver honked at a car w two pouty I am a badass looking young guys in it. She was yelling, trying to get their attention, then stuck her middle finger at them out of the sunroof. That’s when I noticed the about two year old mulattto baby in the backseat, looking up at her Mommas finger. Sad. What is wrong w people??? Winning?

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  57. Tarnished says:

    Bloom, I absolutely hate it when parents act like that around their kids. It’s very disturbing, how much they don’t give a crap regarding what the younglings see/hear. Brings out a highly protective side of me, it does.

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  58. theasdgamer says:

    As Deti says, this is a feature, not a bug.

    Correction: I should have attributed this idea to Novaseeker.

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  59. SFC Ton says:

    The contract doe snot protect women and that is not their intent

    The contract gives
    Women more potential leverage over men
    filter’s for beta ( the kind of guys who would actually think about the contract etc while their cock is hard) so it will help womenz avoid the most horrible fate in the world…. a fake alpha/ actual beta between their legs
    Might make sex a little harder to come by for some girls and might move them into the fat, man hating lezbo squad, who are probably sick of banging fat man heating lezbos

    hooking up is terminology and can apply to one night stands, fuck buddies or two people who have been seeing each other exclusively for a year or more. Words are win, pay attention to how they behave. In that vein, its pretty much the chicks hooking up, and 18 years of child support is pretty damn unlikely with a few precautions

    sex with someone famous; more female projection. If you are a random dude and you bang a famous chick, non famous chicks will want you badly. Chicks think the reverse applies. Same thing for hooking up. Chicks think since women want men with high N counts ( or men who could have a high N count if he so chooses) they think men are ok/ want women with high N counts.

    This shit is dirt simple. Stop over analyzing everything…. which for women is like Kunt trying to hold back the tide ( though that story is really about him demonstrating how the limits to his authority/ power)

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  60. True re projection ton. Good point.

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  61. theasdgamer says:

    I just published a new post: Romance justifies Sex: A Common Female Ethic of Sex

    https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2015/07/15/a-common-female-ethic-of-sex/

    I think that some of you gals will see yourselves in this post.

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  62. Liz says:

    Yeah, I hadn’t thought about that.

    “This shit is dirt simple. Stop over analyzing everything…. which for women is like Kunt trying to hold back the tide ( though that story is really about him demonstrating how the limits to his authority/ power)”

    Kunt a Freudian slip, Ton? 😛
    Yeah, and if the woman is an INTJ with OCD tendencies….um. Yeah. Doppio dat.

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  63. Spawny Get says:

    Hey Ton, that’s Knut (there’s a town called Knutsford in his honour) or Canute. Calling him Kunt probably would have got you in trouble with the court guards…

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  64. theasdgamer says:

    Femine Imperative: ruled by King Kunt.

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  65. SFC Ton says:

    LOL maybe, or maybe he knows a shitty speller when he reads one? He seemed like a righteous dude

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  66. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I have to hand it to Ton. It all makes sense if you’re an on campus radical feminist. It’s not going to make any sense if you’re a run of the mill woman.
    The sooner womeen see this for what it is, the better it will be.

    Bloom,
    I don’t know how hookup culture came about but, I am certain that it came about because enough women wanted it. This is the sort of thing that men do not control but adapt to readily.

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  67. Choicy says:

    My take on it is, – the sheilas who want all this consent shit are like the kids who had an innocent joker convicted in the Shaky Isles. The kids said what they thought the therapists wanted to hear, which was the kind of shit a sane bloke would take with a pinch of salt, mate, like the trauma goes from sex abuse to human sacrifice to cannibalism. Well fuck me dead, give a man a break.

    The sheilas who agree with this shit say what they think other sheilas want to hear. They think as the group thinks, mate. Yeah they’ll go along with all this consent shit. They’ll go along with false rape because blokes deserve it. Watch this space.

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  68. @ fuzzie I think ton called it, women wanted to be “liberated” to get it on like men. What’s good for the gander is good for the goose and all that. Except it isn’t. I can only imagine where those girls will be by 30 :/ yuck!

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  69. Meanwhile these gals are being told by fembots an go gurrrls that “quality” guys don’t care about n, only misogynists do, etc. pretty little lies…

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  70. Yoda says:

    which for women is like Kunt trying to hold back the tide

    Freudian this would be.

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  71. Yoda says:

    Liz got there first she did.
    Still, closer to 30000 we are.

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  72. Yoda says:


    Kunt probably would have got you in trouble with the court guards

    Perhaps like this it was,

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  73. Yoda says:

    They looked about 10 years older than they were back then, that sort of lifestyle ages women like raw shellfish

    Like Steven Tyler and Keith Richards it does.
    But matters less on them it does

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  74. Tarnished says:

    What’s good for the gander is good for the goose and all that.

    If we want to assume this is even good for the average gander in the first place…Seems rather more like a combination of the apex fallacy and juvenile “validation” techniques, honestly.

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  75. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I just saw this over at COTWA.
    http://www.cotwa.info/2015/07/california-courts-decision-rips-off.html
    Ad “Yes means yes” into this and I think higher education may be dead. Why would the fembots want that to happen? Universities are their home.

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  76. theasdgamer says:

    As Ton wrote, the contract is to filter out betas who will be afraid to risk a FRA so that women won’t be tricked into having sex with betas. The contract is about women controlling sex with betas–i.e., avoiding it when they are pre-Wall.

    When it comes to control of sex, alphas control sex with women and women control sex with betas. Alphas and betas both control commitment with women who have hit The Wall ™. Pre-Wall women control commitment with betas and alphas control commitment with all women.

    There’s a manospherian version of this that women control the sex gate and men control the commitment gate, but that is too simplistic and ignores the very significant difference between alphas and betas.

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  77. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It’s way off topic and sensational, as Judgybitch is wont to do. What is germaine to this post is the absolute inhumanity demonstrated in the comments taken from Jezebel. Human women can’t form attitudes like this. It sounds more like demos from Hell.
    http://judgybitch.com/2015/07/15/feminists-respond-to-the-planned-parenthood-video/

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  78. Spawny Get says:

    JB’s voice is like nails down a blackboard to me

    ps

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  79. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Spawny Get,
    Why does Liz look so much better with the froggie helmet?
    The link is to her blogpost. You won’t have to listen to her voice.

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  80. I followed the link back to the Dalrock post, some pretty interesting comments there from sunshine, elsbeth, stingray, and others! And from Deti and yohami, too!

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  81. Cill says:

    “Mike knew a girl in highschool who had sex with David Lee Roth”

    On the same vein, I know a young woman who dated one of the biggest names in music (I have to be deliberately vague here). [Cill edit: the young women wasn’t molly] He pursued her, he wanted sex, and more. She declined the sex because her strong family upbringing had disposed her against casual liaisons. Meanwhile other women were throwing themselves at him. To this day, she still talks wonderingly about the way those women lost control of themselves.

    After she returned to her home country she received love letters from him. She spoke to me about it, and sought and received her parents’ advice, as a result of which she replied to the big star to call it off.

    People don’t know about her relationship with that apex male, but I’m sure some would think she’s mad for not hooking him. People try to tell her she’s mad for not hooking up with the ones who still pursue her.

    There’s no doubt in my mind whatsoever that she’s better off having taken the course that she did. She is an unspoiled, positive young woman, wiser than her years. Well-grounded women are as rare as hens’ teeth, but they do exist out there.

    Hell I’ve wandered way off topic.

    Needless to say, she has no truck with this “consent” crap. That do for OT?

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  82. @ cill I k is a gal that did the same, drummer from a huge rock band, a band everyone knows, she also gave him the pass and had no regrets. It happens!

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  83. Cill says:

    Bloom who/what is “l k”? I haven’t read all the comments so possibly missed something.

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  84. * I know a gal I mean… He spotted her in this rural pub near where she lives and pursued her for several years to no avail. English band, she is English as well. Married a normal bloke from her home town instead.

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  85. Tarnished says:

    A quick kind of OT question for our commenters, directed more towards the men but the ladies can answer too:

    Does sex that one pays for “count” towards the N you’d tell a SO?

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  86. Yoda says:

    How close to 30K comments we are?

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  87. Spawny Get says:

    It would count in either direction to me, Tarn..

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  88. Liz says:

    “Does sex that one pays for “count” towards the N you’d tell a SO?”

    I would hope so.

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  89. Yoda says:

    I have no idea what they think they are gaining from it.

    Good question this.
    Perhaps a future post it would be.
    “Benefits From Hookup Culture That Women Do Receive”

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  90. Tarnished says:

    Fair, Spawny. I was just wondering what the general consensus was. My guy thinks it counts on one hand because – hey, it was sex – but not on the other since no work was put into it.

    For me, it’d count because it was still sex, regardless.

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  91. Spawny Get says:

    I agree with you.. Obviously I’m considering the answers of ze wimminz. I want to know how many partners for risk reasons and character. High n for women does nothing for status in my eyes. The reverse being true. Women are free to slut it up, I am free to make my personal judgement. Women hate the J word though.

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  92. Spawny Get says:

    “Benefits From Hookup Culture That Women Do Receive”

    Lazy this would be. A short post it would be.

    #29903

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  93. Spawny Get says:

    Regarding 30k

    I don’t want you lot feeling bad for letting me down terribly. Indeed, abysmally

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  94. Padawan says:

    An N’s an N For A’ That (by Padawan, Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)

    I’ve harkened to yon fellows, eh,
    Who score on hoes, and all that,
    They who have the nerve to say,
    “It’s not an N, for all that.”

    Well it’s a fib, is all that,
    A hoe’s an N, for all that,
    When they demur, just say “Nay!
    An N’s an N, for all that.”

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  95. Yoda says:

    A short post it would be

    Perhaps write,“Perceived Benefits From Hookup Culture That Women Do Receive” one should

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  96. Yoda says:

    Lazy this would be

    Judgmental you are.

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  97. Tarnished says:

    The only possible “benefit” I can see is restricted to women who truly are like a stereotypical male, in that they crave numerous sexual partners and prefer the freedom of bachelorhood to LTRs. If such women do exist, and they literally just want to have sex “like a man”, then this lifestyle would work for her.

    However, we all understand that these types are even more Unicorn-like than the NAWALTs we know/talk about.

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  98. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    In response to your question, froma a medical standpoint, I would say yes, but, from an emotional standpoint, I would say no. There is no emotional investment.
    Related to this, from a food budget outlook, if sex workers lost all the business from single men tomorrow, they might have to cut back to hamburger once a week from steak. If they lost married men, it would be down to Top Ramen and peanut butter sandwiches.
    There is a strong social taboo against single men paying for it. As for married men, what they are paying for is the woman’s silence, not the sex. The last was attributed to a lady of negotiable irtue.
    I have never been asked for my N, not have I ever asked a woman for hers. The last three I did ask about marital history were too much. They had all been married five times. Yikes!

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  99. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I found something else about the Planned Parenthood scandal. This stuff is just ghoulish.

    http://bobagard.blogspot.com/2015/07/gosnellian-silence-on-planned.html

    I have to wonder if the fembots have run their ship into the shoals on this one.

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  100. Yoda says:

    New post there is.
    Good one it would be.

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  101. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    One more thing about ghoulish, there is a joke about Count Dracula walknig into a blood bank.
    “Why are you here?”
    “I vant to make a withdrawal.”

    That’s not so ghoulish.

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  102. Tarnished says:

    In response to your question, from a medical standpoint, I would say yes, but, from an emotional standpoint, I would say no.

    Decide to not tell an SO, you would? Or give her true number, hmm?

    I have never been asked for my N

    Strange this is. Asked for N many times in high school and college I was. Lied I did…Said it was much higher to prevent mockery and disdain. N of 1 I have, N of 4-5 I claimed. Gets nosy people off your back, this does. :/

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  103. Tarnished says:

    Yodish virus is fun to have. 😛

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  104. theasdgamer says:

    Mrs. Gamer has asked for my N. Several times. She is comparing my answers, lol. I think she has a spreadsheet.

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  105. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    Being virgin shamed just sucks! It not like you can go to the tore and buy something to fix it. That is something fundamental that you have in common with men and boys.
    About your N count, I think that you have someth special going on with your FwB.

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  106. Tarnished says:

    Being virgin shamed just sucks!
    It does. We don’t shame people for not hang gliding, or not working at a Fortune 500 company, or not knowing how to ride a bike. It’s equally stupid to shame people for not having sex, or having it at a later age than someone else.

    It not like you can go to the store and buy something to fix it.
    No, but they still assume you’re broken or a massive prude for being a virgin or having a N < 2.

    About your N count, I think that you have someth special going on with your FwB.
    He is the Nutella to my peanut butter, as “feminine” as I am not, and my best friend to boot. We are lucky to know each other. 🙂

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  107. Liz says:

    Tarn: “Asked for N many times in high school and college I was. Lied I did…Said it was much higher to prevent mockery and disdain.”

    Me too.

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  108. theasdgamer says:

    With my first lover, I implied that I was not a virgin. Never was asked about my other partners by her. I think that she just assumed that I had had quite a few since I was in a fraternity and because she was happy with the sex. I think that she got her first O with me and not with her fiancé.

    My first gf asked about my other partners and so did Mrs. Gamer. My male friends used to rib me about doing so much petting with different women and still being virgin. They made up a rhyme about it which I will not recite, lol. Two of my three friends were somewhat alpha and got laid around 16.

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  109. SFC Ton says:

    planned parenthood murders babies in the womb for profit and folks are surprised they would sell the dead child’s organs? Hardly. It won’t derail anything because those who back the progressive agenda won’t care

    fake moral outrage on the “right”, ignore it on the left; bidness as usual

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