Red Pill Classroom — The Professional Victim


One might ask oneself, Why would anybody want to be a victim?  Why would anybody want to have a job doing it?  Seemingly it would appear to be ludicrous like this situation,

But it really is not ludicrous.  That is, if one looks at from an purely selfish individualistic perspective.  One can make a good living from being a professional victim.  Furthermore, one can can become famous and soak up the adulation.  And to top it all off, one can delude themselves into thinking that they “are making the world better”.   This sounds like a dream job.  How does one fill it?

First of all, one has to be a member of a approved victim group (e.g. women).  Even if you lived a life of privilege, if you are a member of such a group, then you are eligible.  But it takes more.  One should be able to either write acceptably and/or manipulate the media well.  And one needs to put themselves into positions where they can become “victimized”.  Nothing serious of course.  But something where they can claim to be a victim (or better yet, a survivor).

Now consider the bigger picture.  Are these professional victims (and associated rabble rousers) really improving the world like they claim they are?  Think about that.

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177 comments on “Red Pill Classroom — The Professional Victim
  1. Tarnished says:

    Even if you lived a life of privilege, if you are a member of such a group, then you are eligible.

    Strange concept this is.
    Being female born is automatically victimized, hmm? Patriarchy is everywhere, yes?

    Women’s Studies teachers say “privilege is invisible to those who have it”. Only refer to men in this they do. Stupid this is, as female privilege invisible to women it would be. Yet nonexistent it is…

    Turned to the dark side they have. Pity and head pats require they do.

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  2. Tarnished says:

    Desire to suffer they do? Or unforseen consequence it is?

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  3. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I’ll bet the BBC airs two or three of these hour long programs a year. You’s think that all of them are sex slaves. I do seem to remember a sting that took several moths to set up and I have no idea hoow many man-hours. Simultaneous raids all over Britain. I don’t think there were any arrests.
    It’s fiction.

    The true result is that men are diminished in the eyes of women. Feminists are fine witn tha.

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  4. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I don’t qualify as a victim. Jf I did, I could complain about this.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/are-we-living-in-a-playas-paradise/

    Heartiste’s posy goes a long way to explaining things.
    Stop the bus. The betas want to get off.

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  5. Liz says:

    I’m not so sure life’s so golden for those ‘playas’, Fuzzie. Look at Roosh now. Look at Mystery (or don’t, it’s disturbing…he comes across like a person with wet brain, or Charlie Sheen, but I repeat myself). Most of them seem to kind of self-destruct.
    And I’ve definitely not seen a lot of happy-ending tramp/skank stories.

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  6. Tarnished says:

    Roosh does pretty much look like death warmed over. Plus, if even half of his “conquests” are true, I can’t imagine the veritable horde of potential dormant STDs are swimming around in his bloodstream. Ugh…

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  7. Yoda says:

    So victims playas are?

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  8. Yoda says:

    So the definition of victim what would it be?

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  9. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz and Tarn,
    While he may have written that from finding good comclusions and then writing his own reason for it, he still makes a powerful argument. This SMP is meant to serve cads and players.

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  10. Yoda says:

    “Nice guys” victims they are?

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  11. When I was younger I could easily be manipulated by someone playing the victim card. Now I take a step back when it comes up, ask myself are they setting themselves up for it, playing on sympathies, manipulating for gain, etc. often the “victim” is often a kind of ploy, to disarm and then later victimize others. A lot of personality disordered types can do this, love bombing followed by nothing ever being enough, with others always to blame rather than themsves. Handy! The next person takes pity… Rinse and repeat.

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  12. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    The pepetual victims of feminism would like nothing else than to pummel without restaint Nice Guys.
    Would that make them a victim of victims?

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  13. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Bloom,
    “Younger not you get.”
    But wiser you become.

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  14. People can also get sort of stuck developmentally in a state of learned helplessness. Also not good but takes awareness to break.

    Then there is the affirmation victim, they may do it for the attention.

    Might be interesting to study victim hood and motivators/causes/ect.

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  15. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Feminists are using “victimhood” as a tool to further their ends. It’s all getting a bit old and stale.
    The part that I had to say earlier about Nice Guys should be elaborated on. These guys want relationships and these women chooe to react with hate. It’s a funy thing about unreasoning hate, it will stay wih them their entire lives. What is NG to do now?

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  16. SFC Ton says:

    Nice Guy options
    Double down on their failed nice guy tactics
    Wait around for a chick pulling off a lane change and marry that slut…. reformed SIW
    Stopping being a Nice Guy
    Drop out of the smp to whatever extent he can

    Pretty simple really

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  17. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    SFC Ton,
    I think the fourth option is the best. Drop out. Leaves the field open for the cads. It’ snjot like he ws ever going to get anywhere anyway.

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  18. Spawny Get says:

    “Being female born is automatically victimized, hmm? Patriarchy is everywhere, yes?”

    No wonder they kicked you out of the VagUnion.

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  19. Spawny Get says:

    For your reading enjoyment
    The EU: A Wounded Beast Whose Time Has Passed

    One in the nuts for the control freaks moving us towards Global Socialist Heaven (i.e. human misery)

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  20. Tarnished says:

    Spawny,

    I know, right? They even ripped up my Club Clitoris card… 😉 😛

    Seriously though, when I pointed out that if;
    A. There is sex-specific privilege, and
    B. Such privilege is necessarily invisible to the sex that wields it due to them being used to it, then
    C. Women have sex-specific privilege but they don’t notice it.
    Fairly simple right? Nope. I was told it didn’t exist in the first place…

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  21. Spawny Get says:

    Gotta love Jackie Chan.

    The VagUnion reps turn up

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  22. To take on the identity of a victim can initially feel like empowerment but in time it creates a warped world view. I have seen this so many times. Women insisting they are victims of oppression, when for example they may be doing something to hold themself back or self limiting bc of their belief. It’s a self fulfilling prophesy of sorts, or can flip into entitlement – where an ever increasing list of concessions still isn’t “enough.” Some get a chip on their shoulder, railing against oppression that doesn’t exist anymore. Yet it’s become their identity, they don’t know who they are wo the victim label. Better to be an overcomer. Better to take matters into ones own hands and craft a successful life than to expect others to make that happen for you. Nobody cares as much about your own life as you, why give away or diminish that power by adopting a victim mentality? Nobody likes a victim. People like an overcomer.

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  23. Liz says:

    It’s like being fat, and blaming it all on your glands instead of that nightly box of dingdongs. Comforting stuff.
    Please pass the Debby cakes.

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  24. Liz says:

    People do this with everything. Hypochondria is a big one. Women have been known to poison their own children for the attention they receive for it.

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  25. Yoda says:

    RPG on fire she is.

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  26. Yoda says:

    If a member of a victim group falls down in the woods, who would it be a victim of?

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  27. missattempts says:

    “Birds of a feather flock together.” The media and the educational system,
    determine who our “victim class” is.
    The media and schools subscribe to certain shibboleths that only women, blacks,
    illegal immagrents, and Jews can be victims. If a white Christian male is a victim of a
    20 on 1 gang attack, either the media will make it a “local” story, or not report on it
    at all. Or they will blame it on “inistutational racism” or sexism.
    Ocassionally, two victim classes have an altercation with each other. This puts the
    media and schools into a quandry. A black might commit violence against a woman.
    A talented football player recently slugged a white woman in a club. It was captured
    on film and went national. He was suspended from his team, He promptly heired
    a shyster lawyer, who said the player was reacting to a racist comment from the girl.
    When the tussle is between a black male and a white female, today’s media
    generally takes the black man’s side. For example, the Bill Cosby allegations were
    around for decades. They were conviently swept under the rug. Only now, when he
    is legally safe, do we hear of them. Just imagine if Donald Trump were accused of
    those same actions. Would we have to wait 40 years to hear them? Bill Cosby is
    richer then Trump.

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  28. Liz says:

    “If a member of a victim group falls down in the woods, who would it be a victim of?”

    Gravity.

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  29. Yoda says:

    If a feminist goes into the woods, and a bear eats her, a victim she still is?
    Note that a bear is a member of an oppressor group not.

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  30. Liz says:

    “If a feminist goes into the woods, and a bear eats her, a victim she still is?”

    Yes. The blame is on firearms.
    There are two victims in this case.
    The bear, a non-aggressive sweet herbivore only lashed out in fear.

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  31. Liz says:

    Fear that firearms exist, and are around…somewhere.

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  32. SFC Ton says:

    The proper response to claims of oppression is….. LOLZ.

    It’s a shit test. Don’t matter if it’s a White chick or a black dude. It’s a shit test and like dogs, they go back to proper behaviour once they understand the chain of command.

    Oppressed people don’t say shit about it as it leads to another boot stomping on their face

    People who do not need to be put in check don’t go around shit testing folks/ societie. Once folks find their niche in the food chain they tend to stay there. Again think of dogs and how a pit bull will test weak owners and are happy to be in the #2 slot for owners with a strong frame.

    As a man, if the world throws shit tests at you, your frame is week sauce.

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  33. Yoda says:

    If a bear shits in the woods, and rips a feminist’s clothes off to use as toilet paper, who the victim would be?
    Toilet paper a human right it is.
    But a bear is a human not.

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  34. Yoda says:

    Universities getting into the act they are.
    Offering degree programs they do.
    “Studies” programs popular they would be.

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  35. Spawny Get says:

    “Studies” programs popular they would be.
    not with employers they’re not. I wouldn’t employ any of ’em. Who in their right mind would hire a lawsuit-waiting-to-happen?

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  36. Liz says:

    “If a bear shits in the woods, and rips a feminist’s clothes off to use as toilet paper, who the victim would be?”

    The real question is, “What does a feminist call a bear who rips her clothes off to use as toilet paper?”
    Answer: “REALLY Hot!!!”

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  37. Yoda says:

    in the #2 slot

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  38. @ spawny the euro never made much sense to me. It’s like a bunch of people living in an apartment complex sharing a single bank account. Even as much of a Pollyanna as I am, I can see exactly where that will go. Bankrupt.

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  39. Liz says:

    Sorry, Swithy. That sucks. 😦

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  40. Liz says:

    And I liked my own comment above. That’s right.
    That was funny as shit. Bwahaha! There I go again with puns.
    I’m too good at bathroom humor. And I’m not even German!
    (the coffee-less delusions are beginning…this could take a while)

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  41. Bc that’s what people look for in a leader – a victim!!!!

    (Joking btw, in case the sarcasm doesn’t come across)

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  42. Yoda says:

    The Affirmative Consent Project, which advocates for “yes means yes” sexual consent policies, has been distributing “consent contracts” to college students across the country.

    The contract states in big red letters: “YES! We agree to have SEX!” (emphasis original), and asks participants to take a photo together holding the contract. If a camera can’t be found, then the participants would need to fill out the form included on the back of the contract.

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  43. theasdgamer says:

    One can make a good living from being a professional victim. Furthermore, one can can become famous and soak up the adulation.

    I think…I’m starting…to feel…like a victim….

    Oh…the paaaaain!!!!!

    Now, what victim group do I fit in?

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  44. theasdgamer says:

    I’m too good at bathroom humor. And I’m not even German!

    It’s a German thing? My college gf was German ethnically (both parents were immigrants from Germany) and she and her sister conducted exploratories on turds when they were kids. Funny as 4311. She joked about Fraulein Brakkenhymen and Fraulein Guttentight.

    She played the piano at a SBC church, lol.

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  45. theasdgamer says:

    I heard a convo in the men’s locker room where I go swimming that warmed my heart. Two high school kids were talking about going to gun shows.

    Gives me hope for the younger generation.

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  46. theasdgamer says:

    Most of them [playas] seem to kind of self-destruct.

    Oh, yeah, babydoll, you’re 100% correct. E.g.: YOHAMI. And Mark Minter. It’s really a tragedy.

    They got married. Ta dum.

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  47. Liz says:

    I wouldn’t have called Mark Minter a playa. Don’t know enough about Yohami.
    But I’ve known a lot of playas in real life too.

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  48. Spawny Get says:

    Holt Shite, look at the eyes

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  49. Spawny Get says:

    I want out of the EU, I’ll be happy if it dies. I do feel sorry for the everyday peeps that are going to suffer.

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  50. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think that a bear in the woods that ate a feminist would be a victim of a tummyache. Where did I leave the bicarbonate of soda?

    Hillary a victim????

    Mark MInter wasn’t a player, he was a horribly neglected beta Dad.

    Yoda,
    Expect the fembots to kill that consent form concept. Someone came up wih a good phone app and they killed that. They don’t want a workable solution.

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  51. Liz says:

    “Holy Shite, look at the eyes”

    Yes, we need a ‘running screaming for the hills’ emoticon in response to that face.

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  52. Yoda says:

    They don’t want a workable solution.

    Perhaps onto something you are.

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  53. Yoda says:

    Instead of “think of baseball”, look at that picture one could.

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  54. Yoda says:

    I think that a bear in the woods that ate a feminist

    His scheisse look like what it would?

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  55. Liz says:

    “His scheisse look like what it would?”

    Hillary!

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  56. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    This just gets worse and worse. No, I don’t want to eat Hillary. Two, if I do, I don’t want to think about what it will do to my gastro-intestinal tract.

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  57. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Yoda,
    “They don’t want a workable solution.”
    “Perhaps onto something you are.”
    They don’t want a workable solution in order to trap as many men in their web as possible. What they want is the power of Potiphar’s wife, from the story of Joseph in the Bible. Accusation would be enough for summary execution.

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  58. Choicy says:

    The white woman started it all. She’s the victim queen, mate. It’s her gripe against white males, which drives her into bed with the devil himself. I told a sheila I would shag her like the devil himself and her eyes lit up like Hilary switching from side saddle.

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  59. Spawny Get says:

    Best find a gay guy to use her as a butt-plug.

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  60. SFC Ton says:

    If given the option, women will turn against their men, culture and tribe. That’s why it’s a dumb idea to give them options

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  61. Choicy says:

    “Best find a gay guy to use her as a butt-plug”. Yeah mate, I reckon.
    Give her some twist and turn. You could ream an arsehole on Hilary’s face.

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  62. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, I always thought Desmond Morris was a typical foreign academic clot until Hillary’s face got me wondering…

    Maybe a woman’s face really does replicate her never regions?

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  63. Spawny Get says:

    The Ancient Greeks had a similar theory, Cill.

    As above, so below

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  64. Moehau Man says:

    By way of support for my earlier comment (that Hillary’s face replicates her never regions) Mrs Moehau Man (my observant old mum) says, “That Hillary sheila could crush chestnuts between those gluteus maximus face muscles of hers. Hypnotize her to say smell no evil and see what they do to her nose.”

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  65. Spawny Get says:

    Everyone worried about Greece can relax

    Be Afraid: Obama Enters Greek Financial Crisis

    I know I’m relieved. I can’t imagine how happy the Greeks’ll be.

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  66. Cill says:

    Take cash in small denominations to Greece because they don’t trust cards and they have no change.

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  67. theasdgamer says:

    Seems to me that Kate Minter claimed that Mark was a playa on Heartiste’s blog.

    But I’ve known a lot of playas in real life too.

    Men who spun 3-4 plates at the same time? You really hung around with a lot of men like this and kept up with their status? Seriously?

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  68. Cill says:

    Alpha male to millions:

    It is no secret that North Koreans adore their supreme leader and, interestingly, many of them seem to be of the opposite gender. Here is a look at him with some of his most ardent female fans
    It is no secret that North Koreans adore their supreme leader and, interestingly, many of them seem to be of the opposite gender. Here is a look at him with some of his most ardent female fans.”

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  69. Liz says:

    “Men who spun 3-4 plates at the same time? You really hung around with a lot of men like this and kept up with their status? Seriously?”

    You doubt this?
    I didn’t say I “hung around” them, I said I’ve know a lot of them.
    And yes, quite well. Is there something you want to know?

    Let’s see, there is one guy who we actually considered to be a Lothario. He and his brother both. Both fighter pilots, he also played guitar in a band and spent several years in different countries in Europe. Neither of them married. They were both kind of drinking themselves to death, last person we spoke to who knew him (female) was a casual sex partner and told me everything I NEVER wanted to know about his dick (small apparently, but “he has a sense of humor about it so that’s good”) and how he has no sex drive.

    Next, a guy who looked a lot like Tom Cruise (except taller). I really liked this guy as a person and always thought he’d be a good father (he was good with kids). I knew his first wife and he wasn’t very nice to her. They divorced and he proceded to be what everyone called a ‘man whore’. He accepted the title graciously and told constant stories of his exploits. Sometimes, according to him, it was all he could do to just throw the sheets in the wash fast and dry them and put them back on the bed he was just pumping so many women left and right. Well, he just had a heart attack recently (age 43), and looked about 60 before his heart attack. He married a single mom cougar with 3 kids and it isn’t going well but his life was on the downslide well before that.

    There are quite a few more, but that above should give you some the idea.

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  70. Liz says:

    I’ve seen a lot. I could tell you stories about cuckolded spouses who actually got off on being cucked. One married lady was kicked out of the officer’s club permanently after a bunch of pictures of her fellating German pilots in the club bathroom stalls came out. Turns out her husband was the one taking the photos. Her husband HAD been a playa before.

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  71. Yoda says:

    Maybe a woman’s face really does replicate her never regions?

    Moe’s chest do this it might.

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  72. Cill says:

    “I could tell you stories about cuckolded spouses who actually got off on being cucked”

    So could I. It happens.

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  73. Liz says:

    Yep, Cill.
    I think in this guy’s case he liked to think his wife was desirable to others (particularly others with ‘high status’ like young buck studs, and so forth)…which kind of upped his status in his own mind. Maybe? It was weird.

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  74. SFC Ton says:

    There are men not spinning 3-4 plates? Weird. And, also kind of a low water mark for player status

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  75. theasdgamer says:

    told me everything I NEVER wanted to know about his dick

    TMI for Liz. Whodathunkit?

    You said you knew these playas quite well, but it sounds like you got most of your info from women. I know that the female-herd-o-graph is very active.

    Two of your playa examples were married. Thanks for proving my point about their degradation, lol.

    Marriage. Never again! (And things are going quite well for us at the moment.)

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  76. theasdgamer says:

    Liz, your “playas” sound like betas playing the serial monogamy game. You’re female, so you assume that a playa will follow the female playa strategy of serial monogamy upgrading to better options (hypergamy) rather than the male strategy of spinning multiple plates at the same time.

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  77. Tarnished says:

    I think in this guy’s case he liked to think his wife was desirable to others (particularly others with ‘high status’ like young buck studs, and so forth)…which kind of upped his status in his own mind. Maybe?

    Holy crap. I think I understand now…
    This makes a lot of sense!

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  78. Yoda says:

    I can’t imagine how happy the Greeks’ll be.

    Bear gifts in gratitude they will

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  79. Cill says:

    The cuckolds will try to get photographic evidence, or for the stud to meet their mates where they can go into detail about it, some of it exaggerated. Others are satisfied with watching their wife/girlfriend going off like crazy and it remains a private thing.

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  80. Tarnished says:

    I adore the fact that Cill keeps using the term “never regions” instead of “nether regions”.

    Bit more accurate, likely.

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  81. Cill says:

    I’m glad someone noticed that, Tarn.

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  82. Tarnished says:

    Bear gifts?

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  83. theasdgamer says:

    If a gf/wife denies sex, a beta may cheat on her. This doesn’t make him alpha or a playa.

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  84. Yoda says:

    Noticed I did.
    Thought it a Kiwi thing.
    Comment on others speech I do not.
    Hope for same courtesy I do

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  85. Tarnished says:

    Of course, mate. I notice most of your/Spawny’s delightful turns of phrase. They give me a chuckle during the day.

    I can certainly see the point of view of a cuckold male who relishes the fact his mate is desired by others, yet is exclusive or mostly exclusive to him. Possibly explains why my love gets turned on by hearing about guys flirting with me at work…I’m glad Liz brought this up. It will make for an interesting conversation later this week. 😉

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  86. Cill says:

    One should bear gifts of bears in a bear market, one should.

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  87. Tarnished says:

    This doesn’t make him alpha or a playa.

    Truth.
    Odd though, that by successfully cheating he’d essentially be proving that he is still attractive, at least to other women. Does the wife simply not see it anymore, is too complacent with not having sex, or doesn’t care about his needs?

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  88. Cill says:

    I’ll look forward to that conversation, Tarn. Right now I have work to do and I’ll catch up with you lot in an hour or so.

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  89. SFC Ton says:

    Glad you understand it Tarn…. maybe….kind of twisted enough I think the proper stand is not understanding….

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  90. SFC Ton says:

    Doesn’t care Tarn. If she isn’t fucking him she no longer gives a fuck if he lives her dies

    She will be pissed if he cheats and gets caught because it reduces her standing in the herd and threatens her access to his resources but she doesn’t care about the sex

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  91. Tarnished says:

    *shrug*
    Takes all kinds, Ton. Like I said above, it’ll be an interesting conversation to have with my SO later. See if that’s part of why he says some of the things he does.

    In other news, I was called a whore today for declining a date offer from a random stranger as I was leaving the post office this morning. That was rather surreal. 😕

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  92. Tarnished says:

    Ton,

    That is just too many levels of fucked up…

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  93. SFC Ton says:

    Takes all kinds to accomplish what? Fucking up a nation & people?

    That really is a nonsensical answer

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  94. SFC Ton says:

    That shouldn’t imply if a woman doesn’t put out she hates a dude; just that if she was putting out and stopped, she loathes the dude.

    What’s fucked up?

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  95. SFC Ton says:

    Yea way weird to be called a whore for not putting out; at that rate you’d starve. Frigid would make more sense but it’s not about a rational response; it’s an attempt to lower your smp value. And womanish

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  96. Tarnished says:

    Takes all kinds to accomplish what?

    Wasn’t referring to accomplishments, just preferences. Some men apparently enjoy cuckolding, some prefer being a dom or a sub, some have foot fetishes or can only get off to hentai. I don’t judge unless it is nonconsensual. Not my place to be the Thought Police.

    What’s fucked up?

    Not having sex with your spouse, then becoming upset if you find out they’re getting it elsewhere.

    it’s an attempt to lower your smp value.

    Whatever helps him sleep at night, I guess. It truly was weird though…I was walking back to my car, passing the guy on the sidewalk, he says “hey mama, you wanna go out tonight”.

    It was so abrupt I just automatically responded with “oh, no thank you”, he says “filthy whore” and keeps walking.

    Like I said…strange. Not the weirdest, but definitely up there.

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  97. theasdgamer says:

    I can certainly see the point of view of a cuckold male who relishes the fact his mate is desired by others, yet is exclusive or mostly exclusive to him.

    Preselection is a feminine trait. I suspect that the wife put the cuck up to photographing things so that she could show her friends the vid and make fun of her husband for going along with it. She probably promised sex to her husband if he would do the video recording. Probably used a strategy of withholding sex.

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  98. SFC Ton says:

    No Tarn it does not take all kinds. That’s typical liberal/ progressive thinking which is destructive to nations, people, towns, families etc

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  99. Tarnished says:

    That’s certainly a different take on it, Gamer. Maybe the guy Liz was talking about has some feminine turn ons? Or perhaps it’s just very rare in men…or you could be correct. Hmmm.

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  100. theasdgamer says:

    A woman withholds sex from her bf/husband. If she can get away with this, then he’s a beta. Lets’ say that the beta chooses one of a couple of paths:

    1) Cheating. The beta finds a woman of lower SMV to mate with. The beta worries that his wife will find out. He has guilt feelings and cortisol floods his system over time, destroying his health.

    2) Wanking to pr0n. Eventually, he can’t do normal sex with normal women. His perceived libido lessens. His T-levels also decline. He is stuck wanking to pr0n.

    Notice the cause: a woman withholds sex from her bf/husband. It ends up messing up his health and/or his sexuality.

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  101. Tarnished says:

    No Tarn it does not take all kinds.

    Whether it does or not, they exist. Like I said, not my job to be the Thought Police.

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  102. theasdgamer says:

    not my job to be the Thought Police.

    But, of course, you are in the role of Thought Police for Equalism. Your statement was a classic reframe and shame. Ton made a statement. Instead of replying to it directly, you reframed the convo and implied that Ton was part of the Thought Police. The issue is whether diversity is good for a nation. Deal with the issue. Don’t reframe and shame.

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  103. Tarnished says:

    The beta finds a woman of lower SMV to mate with.

    Why a lower SMV than his wife?

    Wanking to pr0n.

    I’m sorry, Gamer. I understand why you spell certain words out as you do, but whenever I see this I just can’t help thinking of Tron themed porn… 😂

    But yeah. Sex is muy importante for one’s continued health and well being, unless you’re asexual.

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  104. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Tarn,
    If a gut is going to ask, he should be able to take “no” for an answer. What happened was rude and immature. That you already have a man in your life should be enough for a suitor to back off.

    Liz,
    I am beginning to understand why you wear a froggie helmet.

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  105. theasdgamer says:

    Why a lower SMV than his wife?

    Lower SMV than himself, because that’s how it works. The new girl may actually be higher SMV than the wife.

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  106. theasdgamer says:

    That you already have a man in your life should be enough for a suitor to back off.

    That’s blue pill beta thinking.

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  107. theasdgamer says:

    Red Pill thinking: Women are divided into two categories: wives and meat. Full stop. Of course, some alphas think that all women are meat, so having two categories is controversial. Beware of messing with an alpha’s woman, even if you’re alpha.

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  108. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Obama is going to help the Greeks out of their debt crisis?
    Greece owes $177 for every $100 it makes in GDP.
    The US owes $101.
    Do you know what Suze Orman says when your crdit card debt is equivilent to your income?
    You’re bankrupt.

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  109. SFC Ton says:

    Good luck with that premise thinking when the usa is no longer majority White and the bedrock of Christian morality is gone

    It is my theory cuckolds are queer but won’t deal with it. Watching a woman get taken to pound town is how he lives in that escapism/ reality for a bit.

    When you think of woman as some special category,like wife, is when she gains control of the frame. Women are women, interchangeable units of consumption and/ or child production. She wins when she knows she is not easily replaced

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  110. Tarnished says:

    But, of course, you are in the role of Thought Police for Equalism.

    Nope. People can live as they wish. Just because I think X or live as X myself has no bearing on what works for anyone else.

    Your statement was a classic reframe and shame.

    Really? If so, then I apologize it was taken that way. Twas not my intent.

    Ton made a statement. Instead of replying to it directly, you reframed the convo and implied that Ton was part of the Thought Police.

    No. While I think Ton has trouble looking beyond his personal worldview, I do not think (or said) he was part of the Thought Police. I’ve met those who are…he does not fit the bill.

    The issue is whether diversity is good for a nation. Deal with the issue. Don’t reframe and shame.

    Again, it shouldn’t be taken that way, but very well. Diversity can be good or bad.

    In the context of which we are discussing (sexual acts), diversity is something that has always existed. Just look at the Kama Sutra, or any of the numerous Asian sex drawings/books through the ages.

    I honestly do not see how it can be detrimental to the nation or concept of family as a whole if a man is into…I don’t know…aroused by the sight of stockinged feet, or likes to have his wife do anal play on him, or gets off on watching her sex another guy. Is it different? Yes. Is it hurting anyone? No. Is it widespread? Certainly doesn’t seem like it, though I could be wrong there. Maybe if the 3rd one happened all the time without any safety measures and led to the spread of illegitimate children and rampant STDs, then yeah. Duh. That would be horrible. But that’s not what I was referring to, and I doubt this would become so popular + poorly managed as to cause said detriments.

    Also, please do not put words in my mouth or accuse me of insinuating things. Asking for clarification would be more conducive to prolonged conversation, right? 🙂

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  111. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Gamer,
    “That you have a man in yoour lifeshould be enough for a suitor to back off.”
    “That’s blue pill beta thinking.”
    It used to be “Guy Code”. As such, it was an extension of the Golden Rule. Is it so cutthroat out there that “Gut Code” has been tossed?
    Chalk up another win for the fembots. They had to want this. More attention for the girls and less autonomy for the boys.

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  112. SFC Ton says:

    Certain world views expand, protect and preserve a people, nation, family etc

    Other world views destroy people’s, families, tribes etc

    The progressive world view, of which Tarn holds, destroys. Has the Westren people grown stronger as its adopted progressivism or weaker? Have White folks increased in numbers and standing or been reduced in booth?

    People like Tarn live very far removed from the reality of their thoughts and worked views. 6 months in Africa or Pakistan and sometimes progressive learn better but mostly they do not

    That these other sex practices exits doesn’t mean they where tolerated and do you want to live in say Inda? I’ve been there. It’s a fucked up shit hole but cool with beastilty and crossdressers. Its a fucked up shit hole because of what is acceptable patterns of behaviour.

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  113. SFC Ton says:

    Every study done on diversity has shown it to destroy social capital and be harmful

    Start with bowling alone

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  114. theasdgamer says:

    Nope. People can live as they wish.

    Says who? The Progressive Thought Police. Other sayings by the Progressive Thought Police: “Different strokes for different folks.” “It takes a village to raise a child.” “As long as no one gets hurt, do what you want.”

    Really? If so, then I apologize it was taken that way. Twas not my intent.

    You never specified your intent. Still a reframe in my book. Saying “taken that way” is subtly doubling down on shaming, as if there was a problem reading what you wrote. Putting it in the context of an apology doesn’t lessen the subtle shaming, but does make it appear as non-shaming to the undiscerning reader. There was no problem reading what you wrote. The meaning was clear in my book.

    The reference to “Thought Police” made no sense as a reply to Ton and was clearly a shaming tactic. You won’t escape this one.

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  115. Tarnished says:

    That you already have a man in your life should be enough for a suitor to back off.

    It’s alright, Fuzzie. Not like he knew, and even if I didn’t it shouldn’t have mattered. Hardly the worst I’ve dealt with. The entire situation was just very unexpected. No harm done. 🙂

    Good luck with that premise thinking when the usa is no longer majority White and the bedrock of Christian morality is gone
    Don’t see Christians becoming a minority in the US anytime soon. Pew research center found they still make up 71% of our population. Secular morality is preferred, though biblical morality does have some good points.

    Red Pill thinking: Women are divided into two categories: wives and meat. Full stop.

    Glad to not know any alphas, then! 😛

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  116. theasdgamer says:

    It used to be “Guy Code”.

    Only if you were on good terms with the other guy. Otherwise, no. Bro code still exists.

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  117. SFC Ton says:

    Again how little you know is staggering

    The actual foundational bedrock believes are no longer present in Christians to any degree or numbers. Other wise no progressivism

    #2) non White Chistains will be extremely unkind to you and your lifestyle. Trying being as you are outside the West. Even in nominal Christain nations. Fuck just live like you are in Detroit for a month

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  118. theasdgamer says:

    Ton, as long as a woman is chasing a man, it doesn’t matter if she has the title “wife”. She will still be in his frame.

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  119. theasdgamer says:

    Red Pill thinking: Women are divided into two categories: wives and meat. Full stop.

    Glad to not know any alphas, then!

    Yeah, Ton is chopped liver, heh.

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  120. SFC Ton says:

    And because you dont get subtle
    We are living in a time of secular mortality. How’s that working out for folks? All the numbers like crime, divorce, single moms, wages etc are pretty damn terrible so I’ll say it’s a failure. Progressives are immune to reality so it won’t matter, but it has failed.

    Something to think about if you live long enough to see it play out.

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  121. Tarnished says:

    Start with bowling alone
    What does this mean?

    You won’t escape this one.

    Lol, escape what?
    The fact I apologized for being unable to mentally beam my intent to your mind, thereby making it seem like Y instead of X to those who have different ways of thinking? Don’t worry…I’ll get on that right away. Maybe Yoda can teach me some Jedi mind tricks.

    You never specified your intent.

    Nobody asked for it. Instead, conclusions regarding my intent were jumped to. Again, why the dismissal of asking for clarification? 😕

    I do not shame people. It would, using your own definition above, go against the “Progressive” concept of live and let live.

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  122. theasdgamer says:

    I do not shame people. It would, using your own definition above, go against the “Progressive” concept of live and let live.

    Progressives shame all the time. Who ever said that they applied their own morality to themselves.

    Still waiting for you to “clarify” your intent.

    Referring to “Thought Police” was shaming. No way to escape this.

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  123. Tarnished says:

    Yeah, Ton is chopped liver, heh.

    Obviously I meant in real life, where said alphas can have any true impact on me. It’s not as though Ton lives right around the block from me, is it now?

    Non White Chistains will be extremely unkind to you and your lifestyle.

    True. I’ve met some black Christians who are very similar to some white ones. NACALT, thankfully. Most are wonderful people.

    Trying being as you are outside the West. Even in nominal Christain nations. Fuck just live like you are in Detroit for a month.

    If I had the money to do so, I would. It is not financially responsible to do so at the moment.

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  124. theasdgamer says:

    Tarn, you simply can’t imagine what life was like before the current mess that Ton describes. It will take time for you to observe changes in society and see that Progressive ideas wreck society as you see their policies make things worse. Ton and I have more time observing the train wreck.

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  125. SFC Ton says:

    A book on how diversity (inculding White ethnic groups) destroys social capital.

    By Robert Putnam I think. He is a prog so he skirts around it the best he can but the footnotes are a gold mind. Occasionally he will admit to the destruction caused by diversity but goes into hiding/ spin mode afterward but once again reality does not support the progressive agenda

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  126. theasdgamer says:

    Obviously I meant in real life, where said alphas can have any true impact on me. It’s not as though Ton lives right around the block from me, is it now?

    Tarn, darlin’, thawassajokeIsayIsayThawassajoke. Of course I understood what you meant.

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  127. SFC Ton says:

    LOL you wouldn’t last a month in Detroit

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  128. theasdgamer says:

    Tarn, a real apology would be to say that you are sorry that you weren’t more clear, then clarify without being asked. That’s what a man would do.

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  129. Tarnished says:

    Still waiting for you to “clarify” your intent.

    My intent was to state that I don’t believe consensual, safe sexuality is detrimental to society regardless of the form it takes.

    Referring to “Thought Police” was shaming. No way to escape this.

    For fucks sake…
    There was no shaming intended. I refuse to apologize for something I did not do or how others take my words. I simply do not believe in telling others how to live their lives, including yourself or Ton.
    The end.

    Now, it’s 6:35, and my break is over.
    Have a good night, all.

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  130. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Gamer at 10:26pm,
    Jimeney Christmas! Stuff like that can only happen because divorce is now no fault. If all that were laid efore a female judge and an all woman jury, he would end up with every thing.
    What the heck have we come to?

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  131. theasdgamer says:

    I think that the wife would still end up with the stuff because of pedestalization and “for the children.”

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  132. Yoda says:

    New post there would be.

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  133. theasdgamer says:

    Tarn, using the term “Thought Police” is inherently a Progressive shaming tactic, whether you intended consciously to shame or not. It’s part of the Progressive narrative. I think that your feminine wiring pulled that out of you.

    The phrase “It takes all kinds” is part of the Progressive narrative and typically is propaganda for ethnic diversity. You used the phrase in a different way than it is normally used–normally it’s Progressive propaganda. You argued for the Progressive notion of consensual sex. Then you jumped in with the Progressive shaming phrase, “Thought Police”.

    Ton responded to your use of “It takes all kinds” as if you had used it in the normal sense as Progressive propaganda for ethnic diversity.

    Using phrases that are Progressive propaganda in a non-normal sense is unclear. Progressive propaganda pulls triggers in non-Progressives. It’s important to realize what the propaganda is and to use phrases in their normal sense to avoid confusion.

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  134. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Gamer,
    Maybe I was thinking in terms of a pre-1968 female judge and jury.
    It amazes me what tolerance we have for moral turpitude we have now in women.
    Seriously, any guy caught in your 10:26pm scenario should just GTFO.
    Why do I keep thinking about “Beau Geste” and the French Foreign Legion? Would that be far away enough?

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  135. Tarnished says:

    I think that your feminine wiring pulled that out of you.

    I know you meant this as a deliberate jab, but no matter. It is far more likely due to my personal assessments and beliefs, which are at least partial reflections of my location and faith than anything else.

    The phrase “It takes all kinds” is part of the Progressive narrative and typically is propaganda for ethnic diversity.

    Ethnic diversity is fine. Cultural diversity needs to be very carefully managed, which is not happening at this time in either the US or UK. This in turn has lead to some of the atrocities in recent news.

    It’s important to realize what the propaganda is and to use phrases in their normal sense to avoid confusion.

    Like the term “vibrant”, right?

    adjective
    1.
    moving to and fro rapidly; vibrating.

    2.
    vibrating so as to produce sound, as a string.

    3. (of sounds) characterized by perceptible vibration; resonant; resounding.

    4. pulsating with vigor and energy

    How strange…It says nothing about ethnic diversity. Very weird.

    Goodnight til tomorrow.

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  136. Accepting or giving onself the label “victim” makes on weaker, passive, not self determined. I have long been fascinated by how one person can overcome tragedy and craft a wonderful life and legacy while another will become forever self sabatoging, long after the original trade guy or abuse (or even in some minor disappointment.) what makes a victor? What makes a victim? How can we encourage victors? Life can deal harsh blows, it’s not what happens that matters nearly as much as what one does with it.

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  137. Cill says:

    “you… implied that Ton was part of the Thought Police”.
    Implied where?

    Never mind, I’m off to have a look at the next post in the perhaps unrealistic hope that the personalized red pill preaching doesn’t continue there.

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  138. Otoh, I have many times gained from not taking a victim stand, sticking to my path despite huge odds against me. Maybe I am stubborn. I will look for a door, window, trapdoor, wormhole, etc to figure out a way to be a victor. I am tolerant and empathetic of others being victims (maybe too much so) but will not allow myself to claim defeat. I am pretty quiet, almost ploddingly so, in competition with only myself, to satisfy only myself. I dont expect handouts. Self actualizing brings me great joy. Perhaps that’s somehow wrong, but better than blaming circumstance or others in my book. Faith and preserverence combined with a clear goal and not giving up can move mountains. No it’s not easy, and maybe be ause 80 percent won’t try I really only have to worry a out or befriend the 20 percent who will.

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  139. Liz says:

    Gamer: ”You said you knew these playas quite well, but it sounds like you got most of your info from women. I know that the female-herd-o-graph is very active.”

    No. I get my information mostly from men and by being a casual observer of the obvious. I used that particular example because it seemed most paradoxical. This was the first and last time I’d ever met the woman. She’s a flight attendant for an airline and I know a few of the pilots and asked her if she knew them…that was her response.

    ”Two of your playa examples were married. Thanks for proving my point about their degradation, lol.”

    Well, the cuck just got a divorce so he must be really living the ‘un-degraded’ dream now. Happy days!

    ” Liz, your “playas” sound like betas playing the serial monogamy game. You’re female, so you assume that a playa will follow the female playa strategy of serial monogamy upgrading to better options (hypergamy) rather than the male strategy of spinning multiple plates at the same time.”

    I’m pretty familiar with monogamy and it usually doesn’t include screwing more than one woman on any one day (man whore claimed, perhaps I was too vague, that he barely had time to throw the sheets in the wash between them). But if that was really going so well I doubt he would have ended up the way he did.

    I actually do know serial monogamists who are “lady’s men”. For example, the mountain climbing RAF pilot I mentioned a while back was (I haven’t seen him in years they might be married now, they were engaged) in a relationship with a woman who looked like a Bond girl (and his callsign, uncoincidentally, was Bond). He is rich, Oxford educated, flew fighters and had a better body than Daniel Craig, but I guess he was just a beta shlub compared to that other ‘playa’ guy because that ‘playa’ guy screwed two or three skanks a day (and talked about it. A lot.).

    “Preselection is a feminine trait. I suspect that the wife put the cuck up to photographing things so that she could show her friends the vid and make fun of her husband for going along with it. She probably promised sex to her husband if he would do the video recording. Probably used a strategy of withholding sex.”

    Well, God makes ’em and God puts ’em together, as the Italians say, but I personally watched as that guy encouraged his wife to strip down and rub her boobs in everyone’s face and took out his camera saying stuff like, “Yeah baby! Those double Ds are natural!”
    Yes, it was weird. I’m done over sharing now, except to reiterate that I don’t know a lot of happy ‘playa’ stories. We did have dinner with a reformed, married, former ‘playa’ tonight. He had a happy ending and is married to a beautiful, sweet girl. But he has a daughter from his bed hopping “happy” playa days who is a mess and the mother, former stripper and truly crazy bitch, is a junky. So the ending isn’t entirely happy because there is still that.

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  140. Liz says:

    I think Ton might be right about the latent homosexuality with cucks (at least, some of them…not really sure about that guy in particular, I think he was also hoping to swap spouses. We avoided them).

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  141. I do believe there is wisdom in the old ways. The older I get, the more so I see it. If one could truly live by the Book, much struggle could be avoided. But as the next post points out, we are all fall short, think we can take shortcuts or a different path, only to find that the old ways work for a reason.

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  142. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    Liz,
    I am beginning to wonder if I might need a froggie helmet too.
    There is some cray cray stuff out there.

    Bloom,
    You can’t win ’em all.

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  143. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    While a lot of us are mad at Aaron for tearing into MGTOWs, here is a solid gold rant in his area of expertise.

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  144. Spawny Get says:

    The reference to “Thought Police” made no sense as a reply to Ton and was clearly a shaming tactic. You won’t escape this one.

    That’s not how I read it.

    I happen to largely agree with both Tarn and Ton. This apparent double-think being possible because (as usual) people are reading what Tarn says looking for something disagreeable. I don’t care what people do in their own bedrooms either. But Ton is right that some sets of values lived outside the bedroom are far better at building societies.

    2am here, can we play nicely?

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  145. Spawny Get says:

    “Tarn, a real apology would be to say that you are sorry that you weren’t more clear, then clarify without being asked. That’s what a man would do.”

    That’s what a Gentleman would do the first few times, but when the other side insists on there being ill-intent…sooner or later said gentleman doesn’t fucking bother any more.

    Stop assuming that Tarn is some Machiavellian Snark-Meister. Tarn is very straightforward, read what is written with an open mind. It’s getting boring for me. You would have blown your gasket long before now if the situation was reversed. Tarn is far more the gentleman than you are being.

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  146. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    It is odd that the thread got quiet when Tarn signed off.

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  147. SFC Ton says:

    Once again no research has proven that ethnic diversity is fine. It points the other way. You would sound a lot more intelligent if you were informed on the topics and didn’t rift the various left wing talking points.

    Also you cannot separate ethnic from culture. One drives the other. Saying other wise is more blank slate nonsense like men and women are the same

    Spwany she may seem legit to you, but to others much less so

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  148. Spawny Get says:

    Ok Ton (and Gamer),
    you are certainly welcome to your own opinions, a good number of which I share. But we won’t be going into the which, what, why of those as I’m not into self-immolation as a hobby (that conversation would be face to face only, my issue regarding privacy isn’t with you).

    But I’m flat out saying that Tarn is okay with me and with this blog. And that I would be considerably less interested in running a blog without Tarn and a few others. If the tone is changed to suit the hardcore amongst us, there won’t be a blog any more*. So if that’s what is wanted, a negative ambiance, why not save time and just create that elsewhere?

    I would take it as a personal favour if people would stop fucking up the tone of the blog over what I consider to be their personal prejudices against a friend of mine.

    When I read what Tarn writes, I find it helpful to imagine the words those of a somewhat idealistic young guy. Really somewhat similar to me when I started Uni. Just read the words as written, there’s no guise there. I have never seen Tarn write anything anti-male, I’ve not seen any word games or re-framing. I have seen Tarn go to bat with a fembot professor’s lies and innuendo, thus saving my blood-pressure. And leading to a better outcome in the comments – I would have just been dismissed by the prof as an MRA, the best would have been a draw. Tarn achieved a better outcome than I could have (whether we like that or not. You, me and Tarn). That happened a couple of times and the proof should still be up on Tarn’s blog. Tarn flat out called out the lies.

    You might regard Tarn as a little naive in some areas. And I might agree with you to some extent. But I will never agree that there is a hidden agenda, or bias against men. There is not.

    My attitude on this issue of tone is not negotiable, it is not going to change. I am perfectly happy with the current tone of the blog. I want to pick guys up and send them forward, not dispirit them and drag them further down. I understand some anger, but that’s not a way to live life.

    * cease to exist, or go private. neither option helps any young man, or man, stumble across the red-pill being discussed in an open manner. Please let me run a blog that might save a few guys, or a few women’s sons. They might well then decide to move on to harsher climates, or time-share. Either is fine by me. It’s not like those blogs aren’t out there already.

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  149. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, “I am beginning to wonder if I might need a froggie helmet too.”

    You really need to be careful with which words you casually thrown about…a man can get ideas that sound great after a couple of beers and photoshop is a-beckoning.

    You with a frog helmet is eminently do-able. As is Ton with a mane.

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  150. Cill says:

    “I will never agree that there is a hidden agenda, or bias against men. There is not.”

    Agreed.

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  151. Spawny Get says:

    Morning Cill. I haven’t got time to play right now, but have you seen Blurkel’s post? Most excellent. I haven’t dared look at Farm Boy’s as it already has 61 comments…later I will have time, but not now.

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  152. Cill says:

    I’ll say this as well, the crusade for diversity has been an unmitigated disaster. Witness Rotherham. Hence UKIP. Hence the burgeoning crime rates in some of the most crime-free countries on the planet such as Norway. Hence the mass murders by Muslims in Europe, USA, and Australia. Actually the crusade for diversity, with it’s anti-white male bent, encourages Muslim violence throughout the entire world. The crusade for diversity is a disgrace. If my friend Tarn agrees with it then I would have very real issues with my friend, but I have seen no suggestion of it. To say diversity is the current reality is not to agree with the idiots who support anything (no matter how depraved) that’s not The Patriarchy.

    One thing I know for sure is that Tarn has no hidden agenda or bias against men. Tarn has gone into bat for men many times and is courageous about it too.

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  153. Cill says:

    Good morning mate. I’d missed brother blurkel’s post. I’ll take a gander at it without more ado.

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  154. SFC Ton says:

    Who said anything about a hidden bias against men? It’s her progressive bias against proven workable social agreements that is on the table. ( though her bias against certain kind of men is not so hidden and comes out regularly. Which to her semi credit she somewhat acknowledges and avoids after being called on)

    Calling out unsubstantiated claims is part of the red pill/ quest for truth. Really it’s what the red pill is the antidote for, on all issues. Tarn happens to be the one pimping the destruction of the progressive movement as a net positive without any supporting argument but the feelings. If Tarn is masculine in mind and soul well she gets treated like a man spouting dumb stuff.

    In a nutshell you are saying no dissenting opinion with Tarn. Which is silly.

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  155. Spawny Get says:

    This reply is not specific to Ton.

    Of course you can disagree with Tarn. It’s the accusations of bad faith, re-framing, word games e.t.c. that piss me off. Just as they would against any of the good folk here.

    Can we also stop playing gotcha with Liz?
    e.g.
    “Men who spun 3-4 plates at the same time? You really hung around with a lot of men like this and kept up with their status? Seriously?”

    Isn’t that as tiresome to you lot as it is to me?

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  156. theasdgamer says:

    Isn’t that as tiresome to you lot as it is to me?

    Your blog, but I respectfully disagree. Liz knew one self-acknowledged “playa”. Real playas don’t need to brag. They are actually hard to spot unless you know what to look for. This is really a vagueness issue just like the issue with Tarn. And “playa” is a chick word anyway, not a PUA word.

    Why is it that I’m the only man who calls women to account for vague language and unclear convo? And is it really just my tone or is it something else? Notice that I mellowed my tone after I figured out that the problem (again!) is vagueness on the part of women.

    I hope that you suggested privately to Tarn that she avoid loaded phrases like “Thought Police” and “It takes all kinds”. Combining vagueness with loaded words/trigger phrases leads to misunderstandings and a testier tone. I suggest that you not blame the men for speaking with a testy tone without also calling women to account for vagueness and using loaded phrases that produce that tone. That’s an old tactic of women. I’m not saying that it’s deliberate on the part of Tarn or Liz, but their hands certainly aren’t clean due to vagueness. in their communication.

    I am not hostile to Tarn, nor do I bear her ill will, nor do I suspect any duplicity on her part. I agree that Tarn is likely idealistic (in a Progressive sense) and much of her speech shows masculine thought. Not all, which I find unsurprising.

    Your blog, my opinion.

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  157. theasdgamer says:

    Tarn,

    “Vibrant” is cant speech. Cant is designed to be obscure to all but the cognoscenti. Cant is almost the opposite of propagandistic narrative like “It takes all kinds”.

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  158. theasdgamer says:

    the other side insists on there being ill-intent

    I never thought that Tarn had ill intent. I thought at first that her amygdala had input. Now I just think that it was her Progressive programming.

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  159. Liz says:

    “Liz knew one self-acknowledged “playa”. Real playas don’t need to brag.”
    First, I didn’t say how many “self acknowlegded playa’s” I know.

    I gave a couple of examples which I actually quailified outright as a couple of small examples. I’m not going to post all of the examples I know of on the world wide web. Heck, the first year Mike was in flight school just about every single pilot got laid every night, usually just about always by someone different. That’s one single year. I can’t think of a guy in pilot training who couldn’t get laid at least once a week. What a low bar for “alpha” manhood.
    Next, if you objected to my “playa” terminology you should have said so instead of demanding that I qualify myself using that same terminology.
    Here’s the direct approach:
    “Liz, ‘playa’ is a chick word.” (then explain exactly what you want to know instead of roundabout accusing me of some weird underhanded subterfuge for some unknown reason..seriously, why would I lie about this crap? What’s the point? And if you think I’m lying so what? Why continue to carry on a convo with some dumbass who has dreamed up some alternate life?).

    Good grief, maybe Fuzzie is right. I’ll be back when my coffee shakes go away.

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  160. Spawny Get says:

    In gotcha game
    Liz = Roadrunner
    Gamer = Wil E Coyote

    Meep… Meep…

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  161. Spawny Get says:

    Pretty sure I said I didn’t read the original comment the way you did at the time. I’m not mad, I’m bored of it.

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  162. Tarnished says:

    Cant language:
    Cant is a term generally used to describe secret languages (cryptolects) used by gypsies, thieves, and others who have a need to communicate freely without necessarily conveying their meaning to a wider audience.

    In this case, using an otherwise innocuous word to describe a subset of people in a different way than you’d speak of the subset you belong to. You can claim it’s alright, since the people “in the know” understand what you’re talking about all you want. I call it deliberately muddying the waters of honest communication.

    As you were so insistent on telling me, intent should be clear to everyone without the need for clarification.

    Spawny,
    The mental imagery is weird, as now I’m imagining the Roadrunner wearing a frog helmet. 😛

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  163. Spawny Get says:

    “Roadrunner wearing a frog helmet”

    Hmm…

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  164. fuzziewuzziebear says:

    I think Liz should be the only one to wear a frog helmet. It took a while, but, now, I am used to it.

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  165. theasdgamer says:

    I can’t think of a guy in pilot training who couldn’t get laid at least once a week. What a low bar for “alpha” manhood.

    (I’m grinning reading your whole comment.)

    Not at all. Military pilots (even those in training) have high status.

    Next, if you objected to my “playa” terminology you should have said so instead of demanding that I qualify myself using that same terminology.

    Was my communication unclear? Why should I communicate using your rules, lol? Coffee, alcohol cravings–aaaah!

    (then explain exactly what you want to know instead of roundabout accusing me of some weird underhanded subterfuge for some unknown reason..seriously, why would I lie about this crap? What’s the point? And if you think I’m lying so what? Why continue to carry on a convo with some dumbass who has dreamed up some alternate life?).

    Who thinks that you’re lying or using subterfuge? You’re a straight shooter, like me. (Which, of course, makes my Machiavellian tendencies even more unexpected, like the Spanish Inquisition.)

    Sexual dynamics are really only understood by PUAs and men who have studied them, like me. Women’s psychology isn’t designed to understand sexual dynamics since that would gum up the works. If women understood sexual dynamics, they would try to instigate and lead, which would screw up (heh) mating. Lots of men bumble their way through mating, and women respond to the bumbling advances. Naturals “just get it” and have a lot of success with women. PUAs study sexual dynamics and develop skills. Lots of what you would call “playas” are naturals.

    If you want to examine a prototypical PUA, check out Nick Krauser. Watch his vids. He’s very smooth, very average looking, very charming. Naturals aren’t nearly so smooth, but they also are charming. Naturals tend to be better looking than PUAs.

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  166. theasdgamer says:

    In gotcha game
    Liz = Roadrunner
    Gamer = Wil E Coyote

    Meep… Meep…

    And Spawny is Mr. Magoo. Heh.

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  167. theasdgamer says:

    As you were so insistent on telling me, intent should be clear to everyone without the need for clarification.

    Sorry, don’t have to use your rules. If you are trying to be clear to all, but failing, you might want to examine your communication.

    Cant is useful and necessary communication. Your idealism fails here.

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  168. Spawny Get says:

    yeah, not in the mood right now.

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  169. theasdgamer says:

    Spawny, Dr. Gamer prescribes some Gordon’s to cure your funk.

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  170. Liz says:

    Gamer, I’m not going to argue over anything you said. I don’t know anything about PUAs and I have no reason to doubt you on that.

    But let’s remember back to how we got on this bunny trail in the first place. A link to a Heartiste piece entitled ‘Are we living in a Playa’s Paradise?’

    The person who threw the ‘playa’ word was Heartiste. He explained in the first sentence that ‘playa’s paradise’ refers to a (straight quote here) “cads and tramps society”.

    My response was in that vein. Yes, I’ve known a lot of ‘playas’ (Heartiste’s word, not mine) and tramps and their longterm stories are very seldom happy. I stand by that. I really didn’t expect to have to go on a metaphorical hydra-slaying expedition for stating something I thought was pretty obvious.

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  171. Spawny Get says:

    Liz, no one expects a metaphorical hydra-slaying expedition

    oh no! not the comfy chair! etc etc

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  172. theasdgamer says:

    Liz, your point about the link is well-taken. When Heartiste uses the word “playa”, he is talking about both natural alphas and alphas who have learned Game (PUAs). Those studying Game (mostly PUAs) understand Heartiste’s meaning and it is to them that Heartiste’s post is addressed. Even when Heartiste uses the word “playa”, it is still a chick word. Heartiste uses “playa” because it creates an entertaining alliteration even though he knows that the word is a chick word. Heartiste has commented before about “playa” being a chick word. In the post, Heartiste imbues “playa” with his own meaning (and those studying Game get that).

    Sometimes it takes a spergy, semantic sword to slay a devious, semantic serpent. Brought to you by the letter “S” and by the number 10.

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