Red Pill Classroom — Pump ‘n Dump


It is said that “players” engage in a behavior termed pump ‘n dump.  That is, they attract a woman, have sex with her, and more often sooner than not, dump her and move on to the next woman.  On the surface, these actions appear odd.  The obvious question is, “How does this behavior come about”?

For the man who is a player type; that is, attractive and into sexing up women, he obviously likes the pump part of the behavior.  Where does the dump part come into play?  Why not just keep pumping the same woman?  Firstly, there is probably the “desire for new women” angle.  But probably a bigger reason is that the woman starts asking questions about to where is this going?  At that point, from a player’s perspective, the relationship has become too high maintenance.  And it is time to move on.

A one-night-stand is just an extreme case of this, where the man acts preemptively before any questions are even asked.

From the woman’s perspective, she is attracted to player.  The urge to try to make a go of it with him might be strong.  In an attempt to make this happen, she gives it up quickly.  Once she fells that she might have some hooks into him, she starts asking questions.  Then she gets dumped.  Then she does it again.  One wonders if she really is just in it for the sex and is using the desire for an LTR as just an excuse for doing what she is doing.  But probably more often than not, this is not true.  There is always the hope that the new one will be the true one.  It is odd that this can go on and on with women, but that appears to be the way that they are.

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207 comments on “Red Pill Classroom — Pump ‘n Dump
  1. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    After reading this post, I realized that men and women have differing criteria for sex and relationships. All men, even cads, have more stringent reqirements for relationships. That would seem understandable.
    Women see things differently.
    https://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2015/02/26/fuck-marry-kill-fmk-the-game/
    The criteria for a purely sexual relationship are more rigorous than marriage. Afew posts ago, Deti outlined the difference between validation and transactional sex in a comment. This has been rattling around in my head for days. Validational sex would go to men that women find hawt. It’s a gift. Transactional sex would go to men in relationships. “What have you done for me lately?”
    Men do not offer transactional sex. It’s aall validational coming from them.

    If women want to throw themselves on hawt guys, fine. Her body, her choice. Just don’t overllok that men have choices, too.

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  2. Cill says:

    Well in the PPP “crew” community of NZ pump and dump is expected by the women. If the man is too slow in dumping them they’ll dump him. If a man attempts a non-pump approach (e.g. asks for a date) they’ll think he’s “creepy”. Serial pumper-dumper is the name of the game.

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  3. SFC Ton says:

    Yep the gal is just as likely to not call back or do the dumping etc as the dude

    One big blind spot with blue pill folks is their assumptions the woman was looking for romance vs out cock sampling. The whole myth women don’t want sex for the sake of sex. Ties in with the feminist lie that womenz are inherently more moral then men.it’s also the favorite big of anti masculine propaganda of Christians and what not

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  4. Tarnished says:

    A few points/questions:

    1. I personally know more men who’ve been P&D than women, though it’s not nearly the ratios that Cill has in his corner of the world.

    2. Would players be as likely to P&D a sex partner if she never asked “where this is going”? Or would they be content (perhaps even happy) to have a sex with only 1-2 consistent women if the concept of commitment or transactional sex was never brought up?

    3. Building off of #2, is this why a typical FwB arrangement only lasts about a year or so? Are these types of relationships MGTOW-friendly, and thus will become more popular as fewer men marry…or will it simply lead to a quicker Singles Tax law?

    4. Christ on a flying kettle, what on earth possessed Spawny to alter the title picture in such a way?! He was having tea with an Irishman, wasn’t he?

    Caution: Video below contains language unsuitable for kids, the elderly, extreme leftists, extreme rightists, daycare workers, people who hate tea parties (virtual or otherwise), and Methodists.

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  5. Farm Boy says:

    So the question seems to be: who is doing the dumping? And why?

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  6. I watched my old college roomie go the p and d route. At first I think it was a strategy to try to “hook” an alpha, but despite my constant advice she was going too fast, the ons was working against her, she persisted. In time she became hardened, somewhat like the ppp but not quite so bad (or as far as I knew, she was in another city by then.) after seeing her go through that it confirmed for me what my mother had advised rang true…wait. Make sure the commitment is there and the emotional bond established, don’t put the cart before the horse. (Of course I am single so take it for what it’s worth but I have no regrets. And avoided much needless emotional pain and damage, based on what I have seen other gals go thru. Even if they think they can handle it, inevitable they could not. I believe women are not “wired” for casual NSA sex. Call me fuddy duddy if you please! 🙂

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    If women want to throw themselves on hawt guys, fine. Her body, her choice. Just don’t overlook that men have choices, too.

    They have no choice about paying taxes.

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  8. Farm Boy says:

    Well in the PPP “crew” community of NZ pump and dump is expected by the women.

    That is sad. Who would have foreseen such a thing? Fifty years ago, making a suggestion that his would be the state of affairs now would have been considered nutty.

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  9. From what I saw usually the guy just wod not commit and it wod fade off either right away or in time. She had a few serial monogamy 2 year relationships, even live in, but as she pushed for “more” commitment, it would end. That’s just one case…if she hadn’t been my friend in college I would probably not had a lot in common w her.

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  10. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s women who like to do the dumping.

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  11. Farm Boy says:

    It’s women who like to do the dumping.

    What makes you say that?

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  12. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    From being on the receiving end of it. It is an exercise in power. It may be better that way for being final on her part.

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  13. @ fuzzie I am sure it may seem like that, things do move fast in the dating world and women who are desirable are pursued, so some is hypergamy but some is imho due to another man with more readiness to commit (or seemingly so) monopolizing her time and attention. In my friend’s case she almost never dumped willingly…if anything she put up with too much lack of commitment/games IMHO. But then again she was also often shooting out of her league wealth wise or status wise (she was attractive but a minority/Brazillian.) I think a lot of it was she was too easy… But that’s just my gorl take. I am not a guy, of course.

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  14. Farm Boy says:

    This is descending into farce.

    The Title IX creep that’s happening to Kipnis doesn’t just stop with her. Kipnis was allowed to bring a ‘support person’ , who was not allowed to speak, to her meeting with the Title IX investigators. A Title IX complaint was then filed against the support person. Certainly, such blithe use of a provision to expand the sphere of victimhood seems counter productive to the goal of protecting those who were directly victimized by sexual misconduct or discrimination.

    For the rest of the insane and increasingly paradoxical twists to Kipnis’ ordeal (which is still ongoing), including the Title IX investigators asking Kipnis if she would like to file her own retaliation claim against the students, read her dispatch here. It is a stunning example of feminism devouring itself.

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/01/we-literally-cant-afford-to-let-the-titl

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  15. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    With this, Emma Sulkowicz, and the Rolling Stone/UVa hoax, I hope that a lot of trustees are going to put on their thinking caps. I wish BV were around to talk about this. He did say that he came within a whisker of being in that spot.

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  16. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    The way you tell it, it does sound as if your roommate was overreaching. I hope that she has found herself a keeper since.
    About dating, there are too many unknowns. Flirting with you has been the most positive experience for me in the last two years.

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  17. @ fuzzie how many experiences is that based on? Where a girl dumped you or a close friend before being dumped? It’s true that sometimes does happen…usually though if both parties are showing interest and things are going well and building,

    I think it is possible if the man is more interested than it appears, a woman may misread that as it’s not going to happen, maybe even misreading that. If you have ever observed women discussing relationships or potential ones, women way read the tea leaves to a depth I am not sure men do…

    Just some possibilities?

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  18. @ fuzzie she did eventually marry, at age 38. They seemed happy at the time and well matched, he seemed “different” than the others right from the start, they moved in together wi 6 months, married wi a year. Sadly they wanted kids but it didnt happen despite expensive infertility treatments so last I heard they had stopped trying. I was expecting #2 at the time, and had no trouble concieving either time despite being 33 then 39 at the time (lucky), I think it was too painful for her and we fell out of touch. I hope she is well. Infertility can be tough on a couple but as she put it she’s met her life mate and so that’s more than many find and that was more than enough for her. I hope they are happy!

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  19. And I hope our flirting is positive, I would never intend to hurt you, please know that. (A picnic basket w a big pile of sammiches and a big pot of honey is at Jellystone waiting for you!)

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  20. @ fuzzie remember the discussion about me being surprised at the news if a guy hangs around as friends, he’s most likely interested? It made me think back on how I may have missed that bc such friends made no obvious moves? It’s possible a woman can miss it. Women do not think like men, they could think it really is “just friends.” If they are niave anyway… I was shocked at the revelation, and likely would have dated some if they had asked…they found girlfriends and moved on eventually so hard to say?

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  21. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    It doesn’t matter. Reason doesn’t apply here.

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  22. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    You’ve a little different from most women. You can see men as human.
    Maybe you should try to contact your old roommate? Enough water under the bridge and all.

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  23. @ fuzzie if women seeing men as human is rare, maybe I need to post on my blog more –try to put that out there. I did read that blog post you mentioned either here or maybe at my blog, horrendous! Terrible for wives (do they even deserve to be referred to as such???) to act like that! 😦 far too many do…

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  24. And that a woman got 25,000 “likes” for acting like that???? Yikes! Wake up sistas! The cliff is just ahead…

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  25. Or wait, maybe the cliff is a useful tool to thin the herd? You go gurrrls! Full speed ahead, right this way, ooops!

    Hard to say really…sadly. 😦 if they are just spewing toxic garbage, maybe the cliff is useful?

    How much worse can it get?

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  26. Ok Liz, Alana, Molly, M…Run straight for it then cut hard at the signal, let’s get them going fast, full speed, one of us leading, one point, two on the rear! Big Red goes over first…get her worked up and she’ll take the lead… ok….Go!

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  27. Btw spawney, what is the backstory on the new image? Fall of ??? Just curious! I am sure the flower pasties are not me???? (I hope!)

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  28. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    It can get a llot worse. There is a law professor in Ottowa that is proposing mudering husbands in their beds and then claiming DV as an improvement over divorce.
    Her name is Elizabethh Sheehy.
    We haven’t hit bottom yet. My issue is that we can’t stand too much more.

    Farm Boy,
    On a lighter note, Roosh did magnificent satire on yor favorite satirical target.
    http://www.rooshv.com/lindy-west-disease

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  29. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I think that you are wrong about sending the herd off the cliff. What is causing all this is the fostering of abundance mentality in women. Youtuber Turd Flinging Monkey has a good theory, what checks women’s attitudes most effectively is male mortality. Actual scarcity of men makes women compete.

    It’s a grim option but, historically, it’s the only to have worked. I am hopeing that MGTOW will take enough men off the market to have a similar effect.

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  30. Spawny Get says:

    The new banner?

    I wanted ‘in’ on the banner. Hence Troy and Will (and the original. making 3, now). They’re in the front, the community, being sociable (as far as Will is capable). ‘Outside’ are the screaming harpies and the beleaguered blue pill guy. Why blue pill? because he didn’t just walk away before the acupuncture enthusiast over-cooked it.

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  31. BuenaVista says:

    I’m sure they’re out there, but I don’t know any male ‘players’ who practice the p and d. I do know men who will respond positively to crazed aging professional women who are desperate to re-affirm their sexual attractiveness. In the dating market I inhabit, they look just like normal women until a man mildly sexualizes a conversation. Then, holy shit.

    My current take is that this is a variation on Rollo’s gloss on open hypergamy. The difference is that they are practicing open hypergamy simultaneously, not sequentially. (Rollo and Sandberg describe a sequential life cycle of dating choices, but not demanding both alpha fux/beta bux simultaneously.) They want bad boy sexual adventures, and simultaneously the security and comfort of a Good Drafthorse Man. This is what an Empowered Woman believes she deserves: straight unilateral, capricious optionality on incompatible relationship objectives. I certainly haven’t encountered any awareness yet, in a woman, as to the self-sabotage that occurs when she tries to solve for both beta bux and gangsta sex in the same week.

    I do think, in the era of affirmative consent, one had better be careful with these chicks because if they wake up in the morning feeling that it all was a mistake, they’ll transition immediately into ‘victim’ mode. IOW, they don’t own their contradictory two modes, two objectives, in the dating sphere. They’ll turn on a dime and make accusations of manipulation and abuse.

    The reason I don’t know any male playas practicing p and d is it’s just too time-consuming and distracting for any guy over 35 trying to otherwise accomplish something in life. And the earth is swarming with women, anyway, who will drop trou if she decides a man looks like “fun.”

    So I think it’s the women who are collecting notches, once they are a little older. This is how they compete with age, and how they compete with the younger women, and how they self-actualize as free, bold, intrepid sex-positive actors.

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  32. Liz says:

    Candidly, if I saw some guys playing the ‘fuck, marry, or kill her’ parlor game I’d personally think it was funny.
    (but then, I still enjoy a round of ‘Minister’s cat’ so maybe my tastes are suspect)

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  33. Spawny Get says:

    “maybe my tastes are suspect”

    you’re a regular here, aren’t you? Case closed

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  34. SFC Ton says:

    Tarn asked some legit questions above but I reckon they are questions without answers. Or rather questions with to many answers.

    Most of men are not PUA, and most of them are simply no damn good at it. Most the men I know ago crush a lot of ass do it in rotation. Ie spinning a few plates. Time is a commodity but the men I know who crush a lot of ass are bot PUA. They are like me in that women are a byproduct of life and not an a stand alone objective. And that is a sample size of one. Not worth much in the big picture of life. Of that group ond married and is faithful; one is married with a kept woman or two. One spends more time on his boat deep sea fishing then chasing skirts or working his business. The youngest is the one with the kept women.

    Most men are bot bull alphas or dweebs; most chicks are suprised themselves when they get caught up in a ONS and are likely to bolt out of embarssment. I think. Some of the hard core cock samplers will bolt because its what they do; some will bolt because they have a regular cock and the ONS was a side piece others will bolt because the dude went all beta in the morning….

    Anyrate all that to say to many variables to manswer per questions.

    Dudes will fuck hardcore cock samplers, and certianly fuck them long term(ish) but few will marry or keep one around long, long term.

    Women love to do the dumping. Its all manner of empowering and major source of validation. They also hate it in case it makes them look bad. Women are what they are and what they are is rarely linear in their actions or thinkig, often holding several muttualy exculisive ideas on the same subject at one time. Convoluted not complex.

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  35. BuenaVista says:

    Perhaps I should simplify. I think a lot of women think that they can fuck their way into an LTR, i.e., have it all. The challenge for a man is to figure out which mode they’re in — because he’s supposed to know when to be Gregory Peck, and when to be Sinatra in Full Rat Pack mode. It can be amusing if you don’t try too hard.

    When I was dating a certain crazy woman, this inconsistency dominated the relationship. One minute I wasn’t bestowing sufficient care packages, practicing sufficient romcom team cooking, and squiring her out for resort weekends; the next I wasn’t doing her in the ass enough and choking her, and it annoyed her that I would pull the shades so the neighbors couldn’t watch.

    But a caring, sensitive, overachieving man does his best. After one semi-insane episode in her living room, I looked down and had a big-time sex injury. Two words that no man wants to hear, or think, are “penile fracture.” Off to the emergency room. I demanded that she accompany me, because I really, really, really didn’t want to answer 50 questions as to whether or not I was having homosexual sex.

    My paramour immediately transformed. From screaming harridan demanding more and harder, she became a constantly blushing young Mormon virgin. She is a red head anyway, but while the parade of nurses and interns and residents and finally the senior, attending urologist paraded into the examination room, asking all sorts of questions (“which position?”) and gently inspecting my swollen and deeply purple junk, it looked she was going to pass out from embarrassment. The process took forever because this was GW in DC, a teaching hospital, and I was a teachable moment, evidently. (For the Commonwealth brothers, that’s George Washington University hospital in downtown WashDC.)

    All’s well that ends well. Probably just a broken blood vessel, not a fracture, the urologist opined. He said, though, that there was one confirming act that he wanted performed when we went home. He looked at my Mormon Janus, and said, “I want you to give him a blowjob this afternoon. If he ejaculates, we’re in the clear.” He looked at me and smiled, “See? Win-win.”

    The problem with being red pill is we know too much about this open hypergamy stuff, and if a little soused and in WTF mode, know how to flip a woman’s switch. It’s a little too easy. They don’t seem to have an on-off switch, incidentally, but an on-on switch.

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  36. SFC Ton says:

    LOL BV and I basically said the same damn thing at the same time

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    Pump and Dump?

    I think the more common male attitude, once past the age of the Vulcan Pon Farr (call it 30-35+), is more akin to;

    Free sex from a woman who passes the boner test? Yes please / No Thanks according to values. But sooner or later the issue of relationship as well is raised. aka Money, time, exposure to drama.

    For some men the money/time/drama bar appears to be reached at staying the night.

    P&D is men seeing sex and relationship as two different issues, and making choices at two levels.

    Women (broken PPP types aside) tend to see sex and relationship as a package type deal. Shaming men, or rather attempting to shame men, by calling them P&Ders is just women bitter at men for not folding to the FI by seeing things their way; sex as a transaction.

    Sex and relationship as Quid pro Blow*, one might say**.

    Money and resources (emotional, social status, honey-do list) in exchange for sex.

    (* if one knows that a UK Pound is colloquially known as a ‘Quid’)
    (** funny too. NB sense of humour required.***)
    (*** *sigh* which is where my cunning plans for laughter usually fail…I contend)

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  38. BuenaVista says:

    Tarn, I second Ton’s comment about your question #2. And I think your premise is wrong. I just don’t know *any* pump and dump male players. I know a *lot* of women who give themselves a night off from their lifestyle of probity, virtue and superior sexual politics. Maybe it’s because I don’t hang out with a lot of 20-somethings, but I don’t know a single PUA practicing the drive-by sex shooting lifestyle.

    Serial monogamy, plate-spinning, mild harem pursuits: these offer a man less drama and, today, much lower legal risk. But I’ll never forget the 37 year-old shrink I was seeing texting me from a club in Spain, to wit: “Sean Penn is eye-fucking me right now.”

    Our society is female-primary and single girls take this as license to be anyone, any thing, at any time.

    As a footnote, most women at some point will accuse a guy, however, of being a “player.” This is femme-code for “I want to lock you down but it looks like I can’t.” My personal experience is that the woman making the accusation has previously used sex immediately in the relationship to secure attention and other favors, i.e., *she* is the player, *she* is the one who’s been bragging openly to her girlfriends about activities and dimensions etc. of her boyfriend, and *she* is the one who will shortly repeat cycle with another man.

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  39. Liz says:

    BV, I would have pushed the ‘like’ button on that last post, but didn’t want to ‘like’ it that your junk got hurt. OUCH, that sucks. 😦

    Per dumping…I always thought men dumped women by treating them like crap and ignoring them until the women dumped them, in order to avoid the drama.
    When Mike broke up with his ex, she was holding onto his leg as he walked down the hall of the apartment complex trying to shake her off. I’ve seen women throw themselves in front of cars.

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  40. Liz says:

    “Sex and relationship as Quid pro Blow*, one might say**.

    Spawny is such a quip up artist. 😛

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  41. SFC Ton says:

    Legit Liz but that’s how you end a long term deal

    I am the sort of dude chicks want to fuck but not take home. It’s a curse….

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  42. BuenaVista says:

    Sometimes a man just has to play hurt, Liz.

    I find two reactions, in the main, from a break-up.

    One, the tearful panic you describe.

    Two, rage: “if I can’t have you no one will have you.” These are the dangerous ones.

    Of course, some women try door #1, and when that fails, immediately fling open door #2.

    As Spawny notes, the feminine imperative teaches that men exist to satisfy and reward women according to their terms. Any display of independence or sovereignty is against the rules!

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  43. Liz says:

    I’m going to like my own ‘quip up artist’ quip.
    Sometimes I make myself giggle. 😛

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  44. BuenaVista says:

    OT: Interesting illustration how British and (current — the progs want to take us to the same place) American attitudes toward self defense are different.

    Some TV chick in Britain had peeping toms, at midnight, while in her kitchen. She waved a kitchen knife at them through the glass. The gendarmes arrived and told her she was breaking the law by brandishing.

    My neighbor just pounded on my side door; it’s 5:52 a.m. so I wasn’t expecting visitors. I answered the door with a battle rifle in one hand.

    But I think we have to admit that much of Europe, like California, are leading indicators as to where our statist ruling class would take us if they could.

    http://fritz-aviewfromthebeach.blogspot.com/2015/06/tv-star-threatens-peeping-toms-cops.html

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  45. Spawny Get says:

    The grounds for my divorce were ‘unreasonable behaviour’ (by her). The behaviour cited was as milquetoast as possible (I don’t even remember any specifics), even then her initial reaction was to say she was going to counter-sue (is that the right phrase?) on the same grounds.

    Why did I not use the real stuff? because I wanted out as quickly and easily as legally possible.

    This is a direct equivalent of his encouraging her to dump him. If her seeing herself as the ‘victor’ is the cost of him getting away clean, job’s a good ‘un. As we say round ‘ere, loike. It’s purely pragmatic.

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  46. Spawny Get says:

    “I’m going to like my own ‘quip up artist’ quip.”

    Sometimes this is the only path to achieving just recognition of humour, I contend.

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  47. Liz says:

    Living in Italy, during the summer, was hell because there was no air conditioning but we had to keep all the rolladen shutters down so the gypsies wouldn’t enter the house and rob us. There was no option for self defense…just lay back and take it.
    Crazy shit.

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  48. SFC Ton says:

    As to where our “elites” want to take us

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_w14gMNfmA

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  49. Alana says:

    “Once she fells that she might have some hooks into him, she starts asking questions. Then she gets dumped. Then she does it again…There is always the hope that the new one will be the true one.”

    I really find it hard to believe this could keep happening to a woman with a triple-digit IQ, unless she doesn’t mind it that much. Then again, far stranger things have happened…

    I’ve read online comments from many western women saying that they feel they have little choice because though they want proper rships, so many other women around them are ready to have casual sex, thus they think they would be too handicapped in the dating world if they don’t jump on the bandwagon. I’m not really buying it. Even if half the men around u are only looking for casual sex, that still leaves a LOT of guys who want a rship.

    Personally I can’t treat sex lighty; I know it would screw up my judgement and make it hard to leave the wrong rships. While dating my ex (about 8 mths), we didn’t have ‘full’ sex, although we did have sexual contact–which I really enjoyed and don’t regret at all. 🙂 (I don’t think that sexual stuff was transactional either; we just wanted it and were ready). And it still was hard and sad for me to leave the rship last week. We had mutual love and respect, but not compatibility. It would’ve been 100 times harder for me to walk away if we’d slept together. Oxytocin and all that.

    Btw I know that it’s a bit extreme to not have sex with your exclusive partner. I think it’s totally understandable if women wanna have sex with their bfs. Unlike some very conservative pple, I don’t think it’s wrong for women to have a few bfs they slept with before getting married. But if u want a bf, don’t sleep with guys before u get to that stage, it’s a bad and stupid precedent to set. O_O

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  50. SFC Ton says:

    Though anymore that’s my answer to everything.

    Think I am having withdrawals

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  51. Spawny Get says:

    Re: Against the rules.

    Check out the comments on this article
    http://conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-sexodus-anger-needs-to-channelled-before-it-explodes/

    The article is like a slightly smarter than average German Army guy at Stalingrad, just as the impending encirclement by the Soviets is being recognised, saying “Whoa, we need to start talking about peace, kameraden. Let’s just set the borders here and forget this whole fighting thing.”

    Trad-connerie from women at it’s most blatant.

    The comments, however, are a MGTOW-fest. Even after they removed the worst examples. (Judging by what they left, I doubt they were unreasonable in their standards)

    corinium • a month ago
    I’m afraid the male anger at the current situation can’t be channeled. Any attempt now by women to mitigate the effects that men dropping out of society and relationships will have will only be seen as more self interest by women, not as changes that are designed to help men. As I have said before – women only want change when something is impacting them personally, beyond that they have little care for theoretical ‘fairness’. Thus as the impacts of feminism are beginning to impact women’s lives negatively suddenly there are mutterings about changes being necessary. Not because women have suddenly seen the light about how men are treated unfairly but because THEY are now experiencing problems. The issues surrounding boys, men and how society treats them have been obvious for decades now, but no woman was saying how unfair such treatment was then. Indeed any man who brought up the issue was publicly vilified and attacked – ask Neil Lyndon.

    Anyway, however much a few women at the margins may wish to rebalance the relationship between the sexes, its not going to happen. Women are going to have to face the consequences of the monster they unleashed, and there’s nothing much they can do stop it. Not least because the feminists are in charge of public policy and the pendulum is still being swung even further in the favour of women in that sphere. The concept of ‘mens rights’ in such circles is still utterly beyond the pale.

    John Rew • a month ago
    When men try to defend themselves against women we are told never hit a woman just walk away. Now that any type of defence is catorgarised as misogyny or harassment that is exactly what we are doing walking away.

    ManWithPlan • a month ago
    Mrs. Gyngell, I am not unsympathetic to your arguments. But it does not go unnoticed to us “sexodus” men that this only became a “problem” in the eyes of conservative women when they realized that women may be affected by Feminism’s denigration of men.

    You are a smart enough person to know these issues did not come out of a vacuum when Breitbart London published the sexodus article. No, these issues have been going on for a very, very long time.

    So here’s how it looks to us. You all are perfectly happy with men thrown under the bus for decades. Or you may waggle your finger at Feminists a bit, and say “tut-tut” but then go about your day. But then men start declaring they won’t marry women? Well, THAT’S a crisis in need of swift remedy, of course. And the Mrs. Gyngells in the world will write lofty missives ordering men to hold hands with women and fix the problem post-haste. But in the meantime, we’re also still supposed to get married, and put ourselves at risk, so as not to inconvenience the precious women. Of course.

    Also, for your information Mr. Buchanan of Justice for Men & Boys is fully supportive of MGTOW.

    Factory • a month ago
    ‘Wont somebody think of the children’…..ah, the Conservative counterpart to feminists attack on masculinity. One set of you demands men make reparations, the other set demands we ‘man up’ ….for the sake of the children, of course.

    Its funny watching women blink and shake their heads, wondering why men wont do as theyre told. Even funnier to see you and yours claim ‘men and women did it together’ like its both of our problens.

    Its not by the way. Men are walking away. Women have allowed themselves to be ‘served’, in the face of those who told them this was happening, by the way, for decades. And yet, it still escapes you that many, if not most, men see *zero* value in this civilization, or the people in it, and are more than happy to watch it burn. For years, mras have been raising the alarm, to the collective shrugs, then denial, of damn near every woman made aware men arent happy.

    You double down in this article, showing admirable stubbornness, but precious little awareness. I will state it plainly for you again… you (women) royally screwed up, you -as a sex -scoffed at the issues, and the idea men matter. If you didnt personally, then you sat back and let it happen. No amount of weaselling is going to make this go away, since this isnt a top down advertising campaign like womens issues are. This is, literally, millions of men who for the most part independanty came to the conclusion that women suck, and the law sucks worse.

    True to form, do women roll up their sleeves, ask men whats going on, and set about fixing things? Hell no. They instead explain to men what they *really* need, attempt to shame them into fixing things for women (again), and then demand men share (at least) half the blame for the current state of affairs (immediately after outlining how men are not listened to in the rare instance anyone bothers asking them something.

    Gee, seriously, why arent men lining up behind YOUR brand of turning men into workhorses ad untermensch? Its so appealing, traditional, and not even litte bit cynically condescending.

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  52. SFC Ton says:

    Darling IQ isn’t the issue

    Female biological programming, social engineering and a lack of personal/ situational awareness are the issues.

    Also women don’t want half the men around them. They want the same 20-35% of the men all the other women want. The other 65-80% of the men don’t exist as sexual beings to most women.

    I like the girls here a right fair amount but they will never really pick up on certain things.

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  53. Alana says:

    Btw I didn’t read the comments posted from around 11am-12noon yet (Spawny time) before typing my comment; sorry if I repeated anything someone else said then. 🙂

    No that doesn’t mean I’m slow-witted and took an hr to type the comment, I just hadn’t refreshed the page haha.

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  54. Alana says:

    Sfc Ton: “Also women don’t want half the men around them. They want the same 20-35% of the men all the other women want. The other 65-80% of the men don’t exist as sexual beings to most women.”

    Hmmm I do think this is a major reason.

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  55. Alana says:

    Liz’s avatar never gets old. Lol.

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  56. Liz says:

    Haven’t read most of the comments since my last post, but I’m in a rush getting the kids to school.

    Just wanted to continue my off-topic rant while it’s fresh on my mind (since this place encourages the OTP and BV got me going), it really annoys me when the gun control weenies (a chronically-irritating-yet-perpetually-helpless demographic) employ partially-accurate crime statistics to back their assertions as “evidence” and contend that violent crime rates are lower in Europe. Um, no they aren’t. “Okay, okay…you’re right…but GUN crimes rates are lower”. Yeah, so? “And murder rates are lower…so guns are bad.”

    Well, robbery and theft rates are out of this world. Houses are robbed so often in Italy people rarely even bother to go to the police. There’s no point and nothing is ever done. You can attempt to murder someone by taking away their life…or you can attempt to murder someone by taking away their livelihood. One death is just slower than the other. But don’t let us smoke cigarettes, Nanny State!! Tobacco might harm us. Gah. I need to look at some baby pictures or dog pictures now…or bear videos.

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  57. Spawny Get says:

    “Female biological programming, social engineering and a lack of personal/ situational awareness are the issues.”

    Women are not brought up to have to consider consequences (until the cat lady stage for want of any man that’ll have them). There’s always some white knight / mangina ready to mitigate the consequences. A bunch of women to tell her that it wasn’t her fault. Precious few women are willing and able to admit their fault. Bloom has taken it on the chin repeatedly since her arrival in the manosphere, got to say I have a lot of time for someone who’ll endure that. You’ve come a long way, Bloom. I hope it works for you. From your latest post, it does seem to have made you more comfortable in your own skin. And a healthier parent for your kids.

    I’ve seen men in comments sections who will not, under any circumstances, ever blame a woman for what’s wrong in society (or anything else).

    It’s where MGTOW gets it right and MRAs get it wrong (speaking in generalities). The problem isn’t feminism, the problem is female nature and the Feminine Imperative (and the tard-cons wilfull blindness to it).

    I seriously wonder just how much mental illness there is out there among men and women. If you can’t see many of our current woes as springing from unbridled female nature…you must be living in cloud cuckoo land. Not saying that men haven’t got issues with their nature too, but society was built to hold these in check…to a large extent.

    The Title IX catastrophe is beginning to blow up in the faces of the femeroids…this is going to be glorious. If I didn’t already have a copy of ‘The Crucible’, I’d be having to buy one in. It is just another example of a lefty penning a work to criticise the right for circumstances far more likely to arise under the left. The Crucible was McCarthyism. V for Vendetta was Thatcherism.

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  58. BuenaVista says:

    The Conservative Woman piece, summarized:

    “There, there butthurt boys. Come back, we promise to be nicer this time; this time it will really be different. Aren’t I virtuous for patronizing you? Real men would be fascinated by me.”

    A Potemkin Village of self-aggrandizing moral narcissism, all the way down.

    It never ceases to amaze me that so-called agents of feminist change *never* confront the objective circumstances of the MMP, family law, criminal law, child custody, etc. I know 12 year-olds who think more clearly than to suggest that the problem in the MMP is male attitudes — not an infrastructure that suborns and strip-mines male emotion, money, and freedom.

    There’s only one logical reason not to confront the causes of the current circumstance, rather than simply observing the effect of the current MMP regime: women like this have zero intention of changing the laws and procedures that created the current regime.

    “Come back, come back, we’ll play nice now. Your rejection and anger paint you as an irrational, perpetual child, incidentally.”

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  59. Spawny Get says:

    Do you want to laugh yourself sick and/or spike your blood-pressure to dangerous levels?

    Look no further than ; http://conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-keynes-commitment-shy-men-lie-behind-the-fertility-crisis/

    Self serving pile of shite. Women be victims.

    Not read them yet, but I reckon that the comments are going to be glorious.

    This con-site sure is working as a clickbait site, but I don’t think that any actual tard-con women are going to be happy with the results seen in comments.

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    BV, take any blood pressure meds before reading the link at 12:48…You ain’t seen nothin’ yet 😉 Thank god for MGTOW. It’s the only whiff of sanity out there. The MRAs think that begging women will get them to relent. PUAs get their validation from gaming women. Fuck that.

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  61. BuenaVista says:

    This is another TCW piece in which a woman notes the collapse of her marriage market, quotes a friendly trad-con who says it’s men behaving like boys — and completely ignores the objective circumstances that women demanded and today yet support.

    This is why I say that while only 20% of women identify as “feminist”, more like 80% like the money, power and lifestyle optionality of the current regime. An empowered woman is one who holds all the options, and they are free options awarded by society, and she likes it that way. Paying lip service to MGTOW or other protestants doesn’t change this fact. It’s the elephant in the room.

    http://conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-perrins-we-should-ask-ourselves-why-men-wont-commit/

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  62. BuenaVista says:

    Off to the gym, Spawny. Thanks for hosting this space.

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  63. Liz says:

    I didn’t intend to like my own post that last time. That’s just too much (kind of like my gravatar image)
    Tried to unlike it but coulnd’t.
    What is liked can never be unliked it would seem.

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  64. Spawny Get says:

    “What I have observed when collecting my teenage sons from various events now that they are young men is that they and their fellow male college students are fine young men indeed. They are a credit to their parents, their teachers and British society in general. Sadly, I can rarely say the same about the young women. The young women are usually a bunch of shrieking whiney brats that act like child-women. My sons cannot be bothered with them. I don’t blame them. Young British women are too often thoroughly horrid and useless.”

    http://conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-keynes-commitment-shy-men-lie-behind-the-fertility-crisis/#comment-2057231957

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  65. Spawny Get says:

    BV, it’s actually very little fuss most of the time. I love the atmosphere here. I know that the experience is not that of tRM et al, but I hope there’s a role for all kinds of sites. I love that FB makes a lot of posts. Happy to put up a post of yours. No pressure, when the whim takes you is fine. FB is doing the scheduling (if anyone can be said to be in charge of it).

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  66. Spawny Get says:

    “What is liked can never be unliked it would seem.”

    ‘like’ is a toggle. hit it a second time to dismiss it.

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  67. Spawny Get says:

    Damn! A conservative woman speaks on that post! It’s not all good, but…

    Laura Perrins • a day ago
    Laura, I just cannot stay out of this, despite a similar blog coming tomorrow – watch this space.

    I am afraid I am going to blame the women largely for this. You speak with a passive voice mainly – thanks to contraception, thanks to co-habitation.

    This is not done to any women. It is for her decide. She has the choice to cohabit etc so as adult women we should own those decisions.
    If a woman decides to co-habitate with a flakey man for years on end then she must take responsibility for that decision.
    She is wasting the best years of her life.

    Some men in their mid-thirties have got it their own way because the ladies have let them have it their own way. And the ladies have to take responsibility for this.

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  68. Liz says:

    “I know that the experience is not that of tRM et al..

    We could have a spam robot that calls every female with the temerity to post a fucking cunt and it would have a very similar vibe.

    [SG – ouch! that’s not quite what I meant! see below]

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  69. Tarnished says:

    BV and Ton,

    Tarn, I second Ton’s comment about your question #2. And I think your premise is wrong.

    How so?

    I just don’t know *any* pump and dump male players. I know a *lot* of women who give themselves a night off from their lifestyle of probity, virtue and superior sexual politics.

    But that’s precisely what I said. Where is the disagreement? 😕

    Alana,
    I also don’t think having so sex/relationships before marriage is bad for either sex. Rather, from the research I’ve been doing, it seems that it’s not purely an increased N in women that leads to increased divorce, but instead their N of one night stands, and similar (though not exact) results show up in men as well. Which makes sense, when one thinks about it. After all, both of us have rushes of oxytocin during things like sex, cuddling, hugging, and kissing, and even just spending good times together…this helps to bond us to our partners, infants, and to a lesser extent, friends.

    The thing to remember though, is that most women naturally have more base oxytocin in their bloodstreams than men…hence, they get more used to it’s effects. A naturally occurring “immunity” if you will. It is not that difficult to see that if a woman’s oxytocin “jolts” (that actually make her sit up and take notice) consistently come from ONS/casual situations instead of monogamous situations…well, much like any palovian response in vertebrates, she will seek out this “jolt” from the places she knows she can get it aka not in the confines of a stable relationship.

    However, if the only “jolts” she gets are in exclusive/relatively monogamous arrangements, then she will not seek out the risky and potentially harmful Bad Boy. Instead, her mind will have equated the concepts of stability and safety with oxytocin jolts and will likely be a serial monogamist until she marries. It would do marriage-minded men well (in this age of very few virgins as Black Pill said some posts ago) to look for women who have only been in stable relationships and have *never* had a ONS. If her N is 5, but 3 of those were ONS…think very carefully about whether fidelity is important to you. If it’s not and you’re going to have an open marriage, fine. But if you want mutual exclusivity, pass on this one.

    “There, there butthurt boys. Come back, we promise to be nicer this time; this time it will really be different. Aren’t I virtuous for patronizing you? Real men would be fascinated by me.”
    When I first saw the “I Don’t Need Feminism Because” women, I was thrilled to see there were more females like the ones we have here. Ones who were ready to talk openly about men’s issues and misandry. But then I started to read the posters they held, and was severely disappointed. Indeed, the majority of them are simply Tradcon women looking to get their workers back.

    MGTOW for the win, again.

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  70. Tarnished says:

    This is why I say that while only 20% of women identify as “feminist”, more like 80% like the money, power and lifestyle optionality of the current regime.

    Which is why it’s so Godsdamned important that the 20% who honestly do support MGTOW speak up.

    Also women don’t want half the men around them. They want the same 20-35% of the men all the other women want. The other 65-80% of the men don’t exist as sexual beings to most women.

    Why is this, though? Are women’s standards of masculine beauty set so high that a male 6-8 looks like a 3-5? I look at sites like OkC and PoF from time to time, just window shopping, and find about 70% of the men there to be bangable. The rest either look slovenly (hole-filled shirts, dirty hair, unnecessarily bad teeth and skin) or like douches (ridiculous amounts of muscles, crushing beer cans on their foreheads, every picture is at a gym or beach). Why is the modern woman’s calibration so off?

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  71. Spawny Get says:

    “temerity to post a fucking cunt and it would have a very similar vibe.”

    A little harsh…I’ve been reading insanity and the other trad-con bint over there. They are hideous creatures, revealed when they say their actual opinions. They’re completely disinterested in men as human beings. Hideous creatures. Disgusting.

    Having said that, I did laugh at your comment as well.

    I meant tRM as a more data and fact driven dry conversational environment. I meant no disrespect. I wouldn’t mind some more of that here, but seeing as I don’t write it, it hardly falls to me to be bitching about its relative absence.

    Having said that, given the choice, plainly I prefer an up beat, spread the knowledge environment to the alternative. I also value the input of women who enjoy that environment too. Don’t you go anywhere…

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  72. Spawny Get says:

    “The rest either look slovenly (hole-filled shirts, dirty hair, unnecessarily bad teeth and skin)”

    Hey! why start on me?

    “or like douches (ridiculous amounts of muscles, crushing beer cans on their foreheads, every picture is at a gym or beach)”

    Or Cill and Sumo?

    We have feelings you know?

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  73. Spawny Get says:

    “Why is the modern woman’s calibration so off?”

    Things she sees on trash media lead her to have wildly inflated ideas about what is normal and what she’s entitled to. Then the thirsty losers on social media make it worse by appearing to worship her every action. They’re doing it to twenty women each, so if it came to it, they may well not actually be available to her if push comes to shove (BB time). By the time she works that out…it’s too late.

    From that article I linked to £1,000,000,000 per year on fertility treatment for women leaving it till their fertility is falling sharply. The NHS has no role in subsidising stupidity. Stop doing the treatment for free, hear the howls of a generation…and the next generation will learn from their mistakes. Same with single mums. Stop subsidising it and it will decrease.

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  74. Liz says:

    “A little harsh…I’ve been reading insanity and the other trad-con bint over there.”

    Not harsh, accurate. Yes, insanity is rubbing people the wrong way, so is Charlotte. So do a lot of female posters. It’s a toxic environment for any female poster though, doesn’t matter and women shouldn’t post there. Ever.
    One person suggested inviting a female doctor to discuss estrus in their comments section. Twice. I laughed out loud at that (not in the comments section, I won’t go there anymore). I’m not sure what women are trying to accomplish posting there. I’m sure they have their reasons. Maybe they’re masochists or something.

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  75. Tarnished says:

    Nah, Spawny.
    There’s a big difference between wearing a hole-filled shirt and not showering for a day because you are just having a fun, lazy day vs someone who thinks that’s an example of putting their best foot forward.

    As for Cill and Sumo, I doubt they spend time taking glorified selfies and thinking that they are the hottest shit that was ever shat. (Well, ok, maybe Sumo…but he’s at least up front about how awesome he is so we don’t get blindsided).

    Trust me, there are major differences. Think back to the “alphas” in that PPP video, and you’ll see what I mean. 😉

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  76. Tarnished says:

    One person suggested inviting a female doctor to discuss estrus in their comments section.

    The point of this would be…? 😕

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  77. Liz says:

    That said, there are some great posters there, and I always read Rollo’s stuff. It’s not personal, or a slam on him. That’s what happens in non-moderated forum environments and he wants to create and atmosphere where men can communicate freely and without having to worry about social convention.
    I get that. But…women should just let them do that and shut up and stay out. Just my .02

    [SG – I agree. In fact I just got done saying that below]

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  78. Tarnished says:

    It’s a toxic environment for any female poster though, doesn’t matter and women shouldn’t post there. Ever.

    That’s why I generally stay away from incel blogs now. There are only a few that actually allow real discussion, Black Pill’s being one (unless he gets trolls). Otherwise, there are too many men on those boards who talk about how the majority of women either enjoy rape or deserve to be raped, that the only reason rape is considered bad is due to a woman not wanting to give up her “power” and being pissed it can be taken by force (not, y’know, because it’s a violation of someone’s body and it results in physical and emotional trauma), or even that no man can be raped by a woman. They tend to be uber-religious too, but only when the scriptures they quote suit them or talk about female submission. Seeing 90% of commenters agree that Rodgers should have shot *more* people is just not a place for sane, empathetic people to be.

    Blogs like this, where real conversations with caring, intelligent men and women can be had are a veritable boon to the internet.

    [SG – thank you very much. But as I have made clear many times; you were a fundamental part of this place happening, and why this place is like it is. And I am currently very happy with the tone. And the people here. Got a very nice email about the tone of the place from one of the commenters. He was right (but it’s a group effort)]

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  79. Spawny Get says:

    “and women shouldn’t post there. Ever.”

    I think that would be fine. Men should have the perfect right to a male only space. They have the right to defend it.

    I did not aim for that. This place only exists because of Tarn (and Cill) (not that Tarn is a woman per se, but few understand that from the get-go. understanding comes through observing behaviour longer term). But I’ll never let that kind of bitch comment here. Their comments will never get cleared. No drama, no fuss. Not because I’m scared of what they say. They’re just not going to say that here. I find them repellant and their presence unpleasant. Man or woman, enduringly unpleasant isn’t welcome here. Short term releasing the pressure at society in general is…expected, but not required.

    WLT are going to tRM to get their drama tingle fix. They know exactly what the response will be, but they do it anyway…for the drama. It’s part of what is rotten in some women. They just cannot recognise anyone else’s right to a space without them. Their tingles uber alles.

    I respect Rollo’s determination not to censor, but as with most principles, when taken too far (IMHO) the rest of the commentariat suffers in the comment threads. It is a tricky line to draw though.

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  80. Spawny Get says:

    “The point of this would be…? 😕 ”

    One of the trolls was minimising the effect of estrus on female behaviour. Another commentator (not trolling) suggested getting a bit of expert opinion. (that’s my recollection)

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  81. Tarnished says:

    Men should have the perfect right to a male only space. They have the right to defend it.

    Heck, they shouldn’t even have to *defend* it. Simply saying that X is a male only space should be sufficient. (But they have to make that clear, also.)

    I sometimes still comment and post over on goingyourownway, though only in Opposing Views since that’s open to everyone. More than once I’ve started a thread where one of the newer guys inevitably asks why something pro-mgtow is in the OV section, but it always gets politely explained that I’m physically female and thus limited in where I can post. Incidentally, a good number of guys have said they appreciate I didn’t try to join under a male identity and infiltrate their group…to which I always respond that such actions would be deceitful and counterproductive.

    Beijaflor is an excellent moderator over there, and if he sees something he thinks I’d enjoy discussing he’ll paste it in the OV for me or email me about it. That’s how one can have a decent male space, just by being up front with the limitations and allowances.

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  82. Yoda says:

    Though anymore that’s my answer to everything.

    My answer would be Mrs. Yoda’s sammiches.

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  83. Tarnished says:

    One of the trolls was minimising the effect of estrus on female behaviour.

    Oh! That reminds me, I have a question for Liz, her being all medical and all. Is PMS a real thing, or is it just something that women use as an excuse to act horribly during their moon cycle?

    I’ve heard (straight from women themselves) that they throw things, scream/cry, slap their SO, deliberately throw out huge shit tests, and just generally act like complete assholes when they’re on the rag…But it’s “okay” and to be expected because PMS.

    To me, this just sounds like a copout to act like a douche and get away with it. Any normal person would recognize this behavior as destructive and negative, and make at least some attempt to control it, yes?

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  84. Spawny Get says:

    Can’t remember when I first saw Beijaflor, but it was years ago. I think on Dalrock’s blog. I wonder if he was on the old Chateau blog too? (when the controversy was over gyno-cult behaviour and game concepts, rather than race realism). I second your thumbs up. He’s also welcome to post here, or comment. Very welcome.

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  85. Spawny Get says:

    “My answer would be Mrs. Yoda’s sammiches.”

    Rat infestations, roach invasions…all ended by a Mrs Yoda Sammiche. They really hit the spot! 😉

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  86. Liz says:

    “Oh! That reminds me, I have a question for Liz, her being all medical and all. Is PMS a real thing, or is it just something that women use as an excuse to act horribly during their moon cycle?”

    I’m no expert on this, Bloom.
    Hormones do effect people in a big way, and everyone is different I’m sure. Progesterone can have some pretty bad effects on people. I’ve even known actual gyn doctors to refuse to take it in collaboration with their replacement estrogen (for hormone therapy), knowing that this causes endometrial hyperplasia (a pretty big cancer risk). They just can’t take the bad mood aspects of progesterone. I don’t have bad PMS myself, but when I was on progesterone birth control pills I was a psych case.

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  87. Yoda says:

    Why is the modern woman’s calibration so off?

    Follow base instincts they do.
    Because they can.

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  88. Yoda says:

    Rat infestations, roach invasions…all ended by a Mrs Yoda Sammiches

    Most important the feminist infestation it would be.

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  89. Liz says:

    ” It is a tricky line to draw though.”

    I agree, Swithy.
    Since I was in band camp…er, a moderator for a political debate forum, I know it’s a fine line.
    And it can take a lot of work, especially if the topics are very controversial and there is a high traffic rate, and might not be worth the effort, depending on what one is trying to accomplish and the number of posters.

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  90. Tarnished says:

    Huh. Thanks for the info, Liz.

    Yoda, I’m unsure if that makes sense though…Are you saying that women’s base instincts are to naturally few male beauty under a harsher lens?

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  91. Liz says:

    Just to add..obviously they should TRY to control it. And (apparently) some people fake it. I’m not advocating a PMS pass for bad behavior. But I also think it (PMS) is a real thing.

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  92. Spawny Get says:

    For the GamerGaters and those curious about it (3 hours 19 minutes and 40 seconds worth of curious)

    Early on he links to a Mega download of resource materials.

    Just starting to watch now.

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  93. Alana says:

    “I also don’t think having so sex/relationships before marriage is bad for either sex. Rather, from the research I’ve been doing, it seems that it’s not purely an increased N in women that leads to increased divorce, but instead their N of one night stands, and similar (though not exact) results show up in men as well…

    if the only “jolts” she gets are in exclusive/relatively monogamous arrangements, then she will not seek out the risky and potentially harmful Bad Boy. Instead, her mind will have equated the concepts of stability and safety with oxytocin jolts and will likely be a serial monogamist until she marries”.

    I agree, Tarn. Personally I do think there are reasons why women should keep their N very low (I’m assuming N means the number of sexual partners a woman has), although it may be different for women like u who never intend to marry and have a famiily. But if she at least reserves sex for exclusive monogamous rships, a lot of pitfalls can be avoided even if her N is on the high side (like 3 or 4).

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  94. Spawny Get says:

    “even if her N is on the high side (like 3 or 4).”

    Oh to be able to chuck your cheek right now. You’re adorable…

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  95. Alana says:

    Lol, well I was raised by parents who were Asian, have conservative ideologies, and were Christian…that stuff has an effect. XD

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  96. Spawny Get says:

    “But what I realised in the wake of my mother’s death was that my sense of what the right relationship for me was – or wasn’t – lacked the normal range of experience. My sense of who I was lacked the normal range of experience. We broke up, when I was 32, because of what I didn’t know as much as what I did.”

    Diagnosis? At 32 she felt she hadn’t sampled enough cocks to settle down. She turned down a marriage proposal.

    Conservative Woman : We should ask ourselves why men won’t commit

    At 37, single, she’s freezing her eggs (a $10,000 dollar value).

    “Many of her friends were struggling with commitment phobes, but “none of us was responsible for the fact that so many men see relationships as a giant albatross.””

    “We can blame the men for not committing. Or we could, we could, ask why these men are commitment phobes/won’t grow up/ view relationships as giant albatrosses? Perhaps they do not like the deal offered (marriage) compared to the one they can easily secure (cohabitation)? Perhaps the risk of divorce is too great, or they have not seen healthy marriages around them. Hell, I don’t know – but it might be worth finding out instead of just condemning a whole generation of men on the nod.

    Damn! You go girl.

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  97. Yoda says:

    Spawny a puppet (actually a marionette) be is.
    Listen to him one should not.

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  98. Tarnished says:

    Spawny,
    I also did a bit of a double take when I saw Alana’s estimate of a “high” N. So cute!

    Seriously though, Alana, I’m not actually making fun. Things are just different in the West, and a N of 3 here would still be considered low. Cultural and religious differences obviously matter in this!

    You’re very correct though, in that those who don’t want a lifelong commitment like marriage or children have tons more leeway in their decision making. For example, I eventually want to have more sex partners, including some women. I think a good overall N for me would be between 6-10, because I truly enjoy new experiences and would really like to share the pleasure of sex with people I’m attracted to. Obviously, this wouldn’t be the case if I was hoping to ever get pregnant or wed…absolutely not!

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  99. Liz says:

    Post from trm:
    Q: how can bitcoin be hacked?

    BP: ”I have no idea. But so far in human history nothing has been created by man that can’t be broken, reverse engineered, hacked, decrypted, etc. What is safe today is not guaranteed safe tomorrow.
    Now I should be clear I am not opposed to the idea, or the reality of bitcoin. I wish I’d got into it when I first heard about it. I believe the risk of hacking is very low. But like mentioned above that threat comes from people with the means and motivation to do it: governments.”

    If I were able to post at trm I would link to this and see what folks thought.
    So I’ll link to it here for those interested in bitcoin.

    http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2014/06/the-nsa-now-owns-bitcoin.html

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  100. Tarnished says:

    I second your thumbs up. He’s also welcome to post here, or comment. Very welcome.

    Yeah, he’s good people. His “Caves of Gloom” post became a main forum sticky/go-to, and rightfully so. Reminding his fellow MGTOW to work beyond the anger and frustration of our gynocentric system to create a meaningful life for themselves is one of the healthiest posts I’ve ever read.

    He’d fit in well here…Perhaps I should extend a private invitation?

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  101. Spawny Get says:

    Please do, Tarn. I’m very happy to simul-blog anything he wants to do on GYOW, if that’s what he wants to do. I tried doing that and got a somewhat hostile reaction from someone there. No lasting problem, but who needs the accusation? I think Beija has the track record there to get away with it. I’d just see it as a way to slightly widen the audience, including opening it up to some women, without compromising the mother-site…father-site?

    If he wants to just spin out something unique…? fine as well.

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  102. Alana says:

    Tarnished: “Seriously though, Alana, I’m not actually making fun. Things are just different in the West, and a N of 3 here would still be considered low. Cultural and religious differences obviously matter in this!”

    Heh yeah Tarn, I’ve heard pple say that ppl in Asia are becoming less traditional and conservative, That is probably true, but at least among the people around me, they still tend to be much more sexually-conservative than in the West.

    “You’re very correct though, in that those who don’t want a lifelong commitment like marriage or children have tons more leeway in their decision making. For example, I eventually want to have more sex partners, including some women. I think a good overall N for me would be between 6-10, because I truly enjoy new experiences and would really like to share the pleasure of sex with people I’m attracted to. Obviously, this wouldn’t be the case if I was hoping to ever get pregnant or wed…absolutely not!”

    Yours is a very unusual case, because you’re sure u never want marriage or kids, and haven’t wavered from that. Too many women feel free to chalk up a very high N, just cos they are not Sure if they want marriage or kids, or want marriage or kids but not yet. Then they get shocked later when they meet a great guy they hope to settle down with and he finds out about her past and is disgusted.

    I once saw a particularly awful eg recounted on Evan’s blog. (I will try to remember where I saw it and paste it here, but it’s hard cos there are so many articles). This guy told of how he met a church-going woman, dated her, really liked her, considered settling down with her. He was horrified to later find out she had had tens of sexual partners when she was younger, even having sex with random guys at parties she’d just met. He was really sad, confronted her and she cried, and they broke up.

    Another commenter replied that if he was upset about her past, that was his fault and not hers. As if it’s wrong for a man to not want a wife/gf who’s had sex with every guy who paid her a little attention. Argh these discussions get a bit frustrating to read at times. 😦

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  103. Tarnished says:

    Yours is a very unusual case, because you’re sure u never want marriage or kids, and haven’t wavered from that. Too many women feel free to chalk up a very high N, just cos they are not Sure if they want marriage or kids, or want marriage or kids but not yet.

    I don’t mean to be *too* harsh to these women, but it’s called “planning”. Truth is, the overwhelming majority of women will end up wanting kids and husbands. There is nothing at all wrong with that, and I think it is a great thing when men and women make a conscious decision to get married young with low N’s or as virgins and build a stable, loving family together. This is how it should be for those who want to walk this path. Likewise, I’m grateful to not have to get married or have kids in order to have social worth or respect, and also applaud the men and women who’ve weighed the pros/cons and consciously decided against having a family life.

    Now if only the MSM would stop lying to people and saying it’s possible to “have it all”…

    As if it’s wrong for a man to not want a wife/gf who’s had sex with every guy who paid her a little attention.

    Of course it’s not wrong. It’s a personal preference, and should be respected as such. Some men have an issue with non virgin women. Others just don’t want their SO to have more partners than them, or to have 3 or less. Then there’s men like my FwB, who thinks it’s fine for a woman to engage in (what we here would call) validation sex with whomever she wants.

    Different strokes for different folks, and one preference isn’t more correct than any other.

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  104. Tarnished says:

    I’ll send him an email later today then, Spawny.

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  105. Spawny Get says:

    When nothing and no one holds a woman to her word regarding marriage, you shouldn’t be surprised that men value her word as worth nothing beyond the moment (at most).

    Now NAWALT, but ALL women are allowed to be like that whenever they chose. So men are wise to act as if AWALT. Which is where JtO is coming from

    So, I think Alana’s attitude is correct. It really won’t take anything of substance for a man to just walk away. I know I’m not up for marriage, but I would absolutely think that an N of 3 or 4 is too high for a partner in marriage. And cohabiting must be treated as marriage because when they decide to implement that law retrospectively…it’s too late for you. There are men getting divorced today that married 50+ years ago under a completely different legal regime – what other contract is worth as little as the marriage one? I’m waiting for a few retrospective actions of ‘We split up three years ago after living together for three years…I want mine now that the law has been changed’.

    I mean, look at that scummy bitch that went after the guy who split up with her over two decades ago, he then went on to scam millions via green beaulux. She took her £2M claim all the way to the Appeals Court in London…before she lost. Clearly a victory was possible else she wouldn’t have got that far

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2321453/Dale-Vince-Victory-new-age-traveller-turned-green-energy-tycoon-judge-rules-DOESNT-support-ex-wife-divorced-earning-millions.html

    “Lord Justice Jackson said: ‘In the family context, there is no statutory bar to bringing a claim for financial relief ten, 20 or even 30 years after the divorce.

    So…fuck marriage, fuck cohabitation that can be made into legal marriage retrospectively, fuck having kids. And fuck the entitled bitch for trying. He was lucky to have the resources to fight it.

    Having the woman bring as much to the table as the man, and not having kids with her is the least bad it gets…but at that point…why the hell are you getting married for in the first place?

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  106. Spawny Get says:

    from the frisky

    ““Enough of Mattress Girl; what about the victims of Boko Haram?” Daum asks before we’ve even started the column’s first paragraph. OK. But why the victims of Boko Haram and not the women in Sudan, Syria, and literally every other part of the world that lives under patriarchy? What about them? Where do we stop and start, when have we had “enough”?”

    Great arguing technique, BUT I reckon we can set a line somewhere between Boko Haram & Sudan & Syria etc and some drama queen, her alleged incident and her frigging mattress. I don’t think we even need break a sweat.

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  107. SFC Ton says:

    Why are 65-80% of men sexually non existent to most women?

    #1 ) most men are no longer particularly masculine. Laundry list of reasons why inculding because they do laundry

    #2) women have unrealistic ideas of their value in the smp/ mmp and damn near everyone of them think they are perfection and deserve perfection out of men. High on their own vagina fumes. I submit this is the main force behind mgtow. Leastwise how it plays out in real life vs on the interwebz. Mgtow of the interwebz can be a rather unsavory collection. Real life a male 7 gets feed up with being shot down and shit on by 5’s. And they know that 5 will turn into a 3 before long.

    The idea it’s because men have holes in their shirt is pretty silly when you notice how hard women fall for really nasty dudes.

    Dudes who send gym selfies are doing what the modern smp tells them to do. It’s fucking stupid to mimic the behaviours of women but it is what it is. And generally works if a man is muscular enough. I have only heard one woman say I was to muscular for her. What’s the chances of that being true? 0.0%. A modest social skill set, 18″ arms and six pack abs will keep a dude knee deep in woman. No guarantee of closing but that’s a different skill set.

    Rollo’s place attracts a lot of men who are part of the walking wounded. Those men really don’t need to hear a damn thing women have to say. It’s all bad from their shoes. Even when some random woman wants to offer sympathy it comes across as a set-up to guys in that place in life.

    Women with high n counts come with a shit ton of baggage. Metric fucking shit ton. They also normally look and act used up. The party lifestyle ages women quickly.

    Alana is pretty spot on as far as n count goes. For a LTR, men will settle with higher, most would rather not and the kind of men who have to settle are not the kind of men women want past a short experiment with beta bucks.

    For my money PMS is an excuse for women to be the bitch they actually are. Been with two many women to believe other wise. Real damn funny how pms isn’t an issue in places and times men are free with their pimp hand.

    Women do not ask nor do they really want to know what men think on a topic. If they did want to know they would ask and not flip their shit over honest answers. When a woman asks a man questions along these lines the last thing she wants is the truth. She wants placated. She already knows the answer but wants a man to help her believe her own bullshit.

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  108. Spawny Get says:

    Anyone else reckon that mattress girl and her mattress have a great future in Sumo wrestling? She has the face for it and even has a crash mat.

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  109. Spawny Get says:

    “Even when some random woman wants to offer sympathy it comes across as a set-up to guys in that place in life.”

    a) I’ve absolutely seen this – not arguing that it doesn’t happen.

    b) one of the two cnuts that turned up is an author or some such. She did the usual, “if only you guys weren’t so angry”, malarkey which didn’t smell right anyway. (Also I reserve the right for guys arriving at the manosphere a little anger. It usually fades) She then went on to laugh about some guy she knew who hung himself when some immigrant bitch used him for a green card and dumped him. She laughed about it. THAT’s why I know she’s a cunt. She just let slip more than she was supposed to.

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  110. Spawny Get says:

    “For my money PMS is an excuse for women to be the bitch they actually are.”

    Either that or they’re nuts. Either way get them out of your life.

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    “Mgtow of the interwebz can be a rather unsavory collection.”

    Ton, we’ve never met! How come you know me so well? 😉

    “Real life a male 7 gets feed up with being shot down and shit on by 5’s. And they know that 5 will turn into a 3 before long.”

    Yeah. In other words, many guys think that the trophy is not worth the hunt. And that’s mostly down to women over valuing themselves.

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  112. Spawny Get says:

    “most men are no longer particularly masculine.”

    Do you think men can become more masculine, even later in life? I would guess that you’ve come across all sorts of guys in your time.

    And yeah, I remember you have a very low opinion of city-boys, but can you take the city out of the boy by granting access to men toys?

    FTR I stipluate that pajama-boy just needs the physical act of neutering to complete the job, but he’d probably have been a pansy under whatever circumstances he grew up.

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  113. Spawny Get says:

    Whoa, we past 25000 comments age ago. I had half an eye out for it. Missed by a couple of hundred.

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  114. Spawny Get says:

    Re the banner. It could be worse. It could be biggerer

    clicky for biggery

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  115. Spawny Get says:

    What’s this? Liz has a new avatar.

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  116. Liz says:

    “What’s this? Liz has a new avatar.”

    Yep.
    Pup and kitten snuggling. 🙂

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  117. Re p and d and players, now that I think back on it my college roomie was always told by the guy “no strings ok?” Or “I am not looking for a ltr” so they were upfront, she just went in thinking she’d be ok w that, then once they had sex her biological drive to “make it something” kicked in and so she changed the game. Not them. Few women can have sex w/o bonding or eventually wanting “more.” If they can, well then that’s a whole other issue…by that point they may no longer be able to bond at all. 😦

    I think the lizard brain still operates that sex might = pregnancy, so women are driven to “lock him in” bc of this. It’s a powerful driver, from my observations.

    As for pms it wasn’t me who asked but yes it is very much a real thing. Usually 2-3 days before estrus, which is why some women dont connect the dots, estrus seems to resolve it, then the “oops, guess I was hormonal” regrets set in. Men in relationships (and women themselves) would be wise to track it. I don’t have over the top pms but I do have less coping skills/get annoyed more quickly/have been known to shit test during that time. Yep, even me! Do some women use it as a cop out, yes. Screaming at your mate, being emotionally or physically abusive, cruel, etc. should not get a pms pass, IMHO.

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  118. Liz says:

    I was trying to find one of my husband’s tattoos.
    I has a nurse spooning out poison, and is pretty cool. But I couldn’t find it.

    This one is almost the same. 😛

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  119. SFC Ton says:

    That English chick with the peeeping Tom issue, she should come hang out at Camp Ton. I will personally ensure her safety vs the outside world. No guarantee she’ll be safe from me though

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  120. theasdgamer says:

    I did my own post on this topic. Basically, an alpha will keep a woman around if she is both attractive and sweet. Otherwise, she might get dumped.

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  121. missattempts says:

    I don’t see what women get out of these relationships. Do they engage in them
    because they have no appearent choice? Or because of “social proof?”
    (Following crowds.) Social brainwashing?
    Do they just want stimulation and excitement? Or are they just afraid of telling
    non-white males and sometimes other women, “No.”

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  122. Tarnished says:

    Missattempts,

    I don’t think it has to do with non-white men in particular…some women just crave validation from men in any way, shape, or form, unfortunately. These types of women haven’t matured to the point where they know there’s more to them than looks…Personality, intelligence, frugality, self-esteem, and general capability are important as well but aren’t cultivated. Hence, we have a bunch of childish women who equate sex with worth.

    Sadly, we have a significant amount of men who think this way too. Not a good way for society to be. 😦

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  123. Tarnished says:

    Who do alphas marry?

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  124. Spawny Get says:

    you want a conspiracy? Look no further that this

    The kind of inbreeding you’d only expect in movies like Wrong Turn

    I’ve not seen this stuff taken apart in this depth before. Fucksakes.

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  125. Sumo says:

    Anyone else reckon that mattress girl and her mattress have a great future in Sumo wrestling? She has the face for it and even has a crash mat.

    Whoa now, what did I ever do to you that you would level such a horrible curse at me?

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  126. Spawny Get says:

    Gamergate must have pissed off a large number of big money people and nutters with big social agendas. Must have pissed them off a lot. No wonder the game sites fought for so long.

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  127. Spawny Get says:

    I was just struck, while looking at her fizzog and hair-do, that she looked like a young sumo wrestler. It’s not flattering for a young gurlie with issues (attachment to bedding being a big one)…but it’s not anti-Sumo…Sumo.

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  128. Spawny Get says:

    Hey! Septic Bladder has resigned.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/02/fifa-president-sepp-blatter-resigns-amid-corruption-probe/

    Sounds like they found some new issue with him unexpectedly. Only four days after he was elected in a completely legit process. Bummer.

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  129. Spawny Get says:

    I tagged the mattress girl pic with pajama boy, just so people would know which is which

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  130. Spawny Get says:

    I think that she comes second cutest of the three…not too shabby.

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  131. Liz says:

    Images of pajama guy and mattress girl, next to each other…
    is this intended to be a birth control message?

    Too much, Spawny. Too much.

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  132. Spawny Get says:

    Sorry mom.

    Bit rich coming from the monster that abuses kittens…repeat offender…just saying 😉

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  133. Tarnished says:

    Obviously I’ve missed something here…
    Who the heck is this “pajama boy”?

    clicky for biggery
    Whoa, easy there mate. Not in such a public space!

    Bloom/Liz,
    I don’t have over the top pms but I do have less coping skills/get annoyed more quickly/have been known to shit test during that time. Yep, even me!

    Interesting.
    But if you know you’re more prone to X, Y, and Z at that time, can’t you take steps to stop it completely? Or is that not really possible?

    She then went on to laugh about some guy she knew who hung himself when some immigrant bitch used him for a green card and dumped him.

    Please excuse my language, but…holy fucking shit. That, right there? That’s real evidence that someone has gone from being a bitch to being a cunt.
    Sorry, I don’t use that word often, but it seems more than appropriate in this case. 😡😡😡

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  134. Liz says:

    “Interesting.
    But if you know you’re more prone to X, Y, and Z at that time, can’t you take steps to stop it completely? Or is that not really possible?”

    I don’t have to be a bitch when I’m PMSing (I’m typically not), but I don’t have much control over things like depression, or cravings, or bloating. It just is. Feel like that at present, in fact. Also, it’s typically my dopiest time of the month (time I’m most dopey). I’d bet my IQ shifts 20 points down from ovulation to PMS.

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  135. Liz says:

    Case in point, you’d think I’d stop commenting on the world wide web during this timeframe, in the interest of “stopping it” since i know I’m going to be dopey. But hell no! Fuck that. It’s my postiest time of the month.

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  136. Spawny Get says:

    bIggery…Tarn.

    Don’t know Pajama Boy? Tsk tsk. ‘he’ is one of yours.

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  137. Liz says:

    OR you’d think I wouldn’t pick new avatars on a day like this….but no, no….

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  138. Spawny Get says:

    I suspect that a twenty point IQ drop would probably help you fit in.

    Did you see the hanging humour, Liz?

    I thought it was a glimpse into her core. And what a core that is.

    I didn’t get to the end of the comments, not yet anyway.

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  139. Spawny Get says:

    I love having company in my whimsical attitude to avatars.

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  140. @ ton ok I will finally ask bc I have been wondering, what exactly is “pimp hand?”

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  141. Spawny Get says:

    Implied willingness to discipline. Can we leave it there? Everybody’s having a nice time.

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  142. Tarnished says:

    Lol.

    It’s the most postiest time of the month!
    When Liz is PMSing,
    her nerves they’ll be testing,
    when her kids do confont!
    It’s the most postiest time of the month!

    There’ll be scary mom faces,
    and lots of lost graces,
    and kids tossed out in the snow.
    There’ll be bloating and crying,
    Candy bars will be dying,
    and higher IQs of 1 week ago!

    That’s all I’ve got for now. Maybe our esteemed poet Padawan can finish this sure-to-be-a-xmas-hit song?

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  143. Sumo says:

    Fuck that. It’s my postiest time of the month.

    Lizard, you do realize that you’ve just set the stage for an entire series of recurring “time of the month” jokes, yeah?

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  144. Tarnished says:

    One of “mine”, Spawny?

    *narrows eyes*
    Do tell…

    He doesn’t look like a nerd or geek.
    Perhaps a dweeb, but I don’t necessarily count them as my people.

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  145. @ Tarn you would think, but somehow after 20+ years of experience w pms it can still catch me off guard. I really should chart it for my own sake. At the time it is happening, to me anyway, feelings can over ride logic, I will truly snd 100% believe I am right to be annoyed/impatient/grumpy. It’s only after whatever hormone shift is gone that I wonder, “why did I get worked up about that?” It’s like a brain hijack, best I can describe it. I have long wondered what the purpose might be? Biologically, I mean.

    I know a few gals with the severe pms thing, the actual disorder, they can come absolutely irrationally unglued. No bueno.

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  146. Spawny Get says:

    It’s worse than that…one hesitates…he’s…a…Murican. o’Blimey Care poster boy. You’re not usually this baitable…thanks 😉

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  147. Liz says:

    Bloom,
    Here is a demonstration of a line of helpful citizens employing a ‘pimp hand’, to sooth a hysterical person:

    Sumo: “Lizard, you do realize that you’ve just set the stage for an entire series of recurring “time of the month” jokes, yeah?”

    Excellent! And I even got a poem from Tarn. 😛
    My kids are wrestling for the computer now…

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  148. Tarnished says:

    Now, wait just a minute there, friend Spawny.
    Is he an American…or a ‘Murican? There is a huuuuuge difference.

    (Yes, that’s what she said.) 😉

    It’s like a brain hijack, best I can describe it.

    Sounds terrifying, Bloom and Liz. 😨
    Remind me to bring sacrifices of chocolate bars (just in case) we ever meet. 🙂

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  149. To clarify pms = premenstrual syndrome (common, minor) while pms = premenstrual disorder (less common, much more severe)

    Saying one could control pms or pms is kindof like saying one can “control” depression or anxiety. Yes people can manage it, learn behavioral approaches, chart it, take steps to make it better. but to just will it away or one can make it go away os unlikely. It’s biochemical.

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  150. Tarnished says:

    After Spawny and Liz’s “helpful” videos, I’m now throughly frightened of nuns…and possibly penguins.

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  151. Spawny Get says:

    I knew the clip even before the video still was rendered…we have more in common than penchant for avatar games. Depressing, really, that this is true when your IQ is depressed. For me, I mean

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  152. Tarnished says:

    That’s along the lines of what I meant, Bloom.

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  153. Spawny Get says:

    ‘Nun of that’ should be epic. I have laid in copious supplies of beer in anticipation.

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  154. Tarnished says:

    I’m off break now, so fare thee well fellow commenters of various IQs! Up, up, and away!

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  155. Spawny Get says:

    “There is a huuuuuge difference”

    There is? Damn! my Babel Fish must have glitched. I missed a nuance, it seems.

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  156. Pms and pmd I mean

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  157. SFC Ton says:

    Who do alphas marry? That implies alphas marry. There is no real need for alphas to marry.

    One of my troopers suck started his .45 while arguing with his cheating whore…. I mean wife over the phone. Folks would say how horrible for her, wouldn’t mention the dead man or even their child. Society doesn’t value men or kids; women even less so.

    I control my emotional state at all times. That’s why bodies aren’t stacked up like cord wood. If I can so it so can women, or women need to own up to be unstable children, give up the vote etc etc.

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  158. Spawny Get says:

    I know I’m ready for the having it both ways to be over.

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  159. poseidon740 says:

    “Saying one could control pms or pms is kindof like saying one can “control” depression or anxiety. Yes people can manage it, learn behavioral approaches, chart it, take steps to make it better. but to just will it away or one can make it go away os unlikely. It’s biochemical.”

    Men can control PMS out of their environment by not choosing to marry. Therefore approximately 47% of the population can indeed control PMS to enough of a survivable degree.

    Hey, RPC, good to see you. I’ve been busy with other stuff. I hope you are well. Funny about your rooster.

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  160. poseidon740 says:

    @ Tarn:

    Where’s that touch post?

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  161. poseidon740 says:

    @ Alana:

    Regarding your comment above at 4:36,

    I am curious where you reside. Are you from an Asain country? My understanding about Asain women is that they have become almost as permiscuous as Western women.

    You seem to understand that a conservative man would not want to marry a women with a high N count. Many folks just can’t seem to understand that. I would only consider marriage again with a very low N count lady, but I am 51 so that won’t happen. And I wouldn’t be able to verify a low N count.

    I hope my son meets a high quality young lady in a few years…..

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  162. (Bloom stomps through on a PMS induced rage like BIG huge baby chick Godzilla! Raaaaaawwwwrrrrr. Objects fly as she bellows, “chocolate MUST be found!!!)

    Ahem, gosh what was that? (smooths apron) cookies anyone?

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  163. SFC Ton says:

    I’ve read some of the links; tradcons have still failed to come up with a logical anti mgtow argument.

    Really it boils down to ignore a guy like Ton, his bikes, cars, guns and extend trips ridding, hunting, fishing etc and settle down with some woman despite the fact most married men are unhappy and have kids who most likely won’t value you either.

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  164. 10 seconds later crying at the sight of Liz’s newest avatar…oh the cuteness…it hurts! (Eating Toblerone two triangle hunks at a time)

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  165. There’s just something about that chick’s eye, yes? Creepy!?!

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  166. Liz says:

    “I knew the clip even before the video still was rendered…we have more in common than penchant for avatar games. Depressing, really, that this is true when your IQ is depressed. For me, I mean”

    I said I was dopey, not catatonic, Swithy! I mean, s-l-o-w. But I still have a filter and don’t type out every obtuse thought in my head. (I do try to spare people) 😛
    And that shit (the video, I mean) is funny!

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  167. Throws fistfuls of sparkles in the air and junps for joy in well wishes for Half Ton!

    (5 seconds, then goes back to eating chocolate and snarling.)

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  168. 10 seconds pass…Hey chick, are YOU looking at ME??? (thumps chest!) Huh, punk? You want some of this? Oh wait, that’s a mirror…(puts herself in timeout.)

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  169. (hyperventilates in brown bag.)

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  170. theasdgamer says:

    PMSPD

    PMS Post Disorder

    contrasted with

    ASPD

    Autistic Spectrum Posting Disorder

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  171. Throws tires and then whole cars across the yard. Raaaaaawwwwwwrrrr!!!!!!!!!

    Oh look, my period. Huh? Ooops! (Runs and hides)

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  172. Liz says:

    Are you PMSing too Bloom? How did we get synched up? That happend to me with a running partner once. And Mike was pissed. She was on a really short, 25 instead of 28 day cycle. (TMI alert! oops…too late. I said I was slow)

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  173. theasdgamer says:

    Ton, 40 acres out in the middle of nowhere, preferably in the hills and forested, a small trailer, a few select guns, bikes, a pickup truck, fishing gear, a jon boat, a large pond, a still….

    a man could live very well quite modestly.

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  174. Lol. I am just teasing, nope we have not synched up. Now that would be weird, huh??? Via Internet…I wonder if there are studies?

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  175. Spawny Get says:

    This is cool. Two pmsing women tag teaming the humour. I like it. I’m LOLing.

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  176. Spawny Get says:

    Sounds good, Gamer. Much, much harder to do here. I envy your space.

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  177. Spawny Get says:

    Sometimes I see the seeming wilful blindness to reality of such guys, Ton, as even worse than fembots. Most of which genuinely seem to have mental issues. Men are supposed to recognise reality at the very least.

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  178. Spawny Get says:

    Poseidon, Alana says she’s in Singapore.

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  179. Yoda says:

    New post there is.

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  180. (Bloom cartwheels joyfully through the middle of it all sprinkling rose petals in her wake…la la la)

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  181. SFC Ton says:

    Thats it Gamerq. And that’s just my version. For some other guy it could be…. well limitless really, but that’s what the get married crowd has to over come. It’s a two part problem for them

    #1) the low value women, society and kids place on husband’s and fathers
    #2) the oh so attractive other option. Which is only limited to what interests a man. Could be his bidness or for one friend robots and models.

    I think it is a worse case of blindness Spwany though I cannot rightly put my finger on why

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  182. Big red timer is set: Imploding in 28 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes, and 0 seconds

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  183. poseidon740 says:

    “Big red timer is set: Imploding in 28 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes, and 0 seconds”

    Sounds like a case of carpet-bombing oneself………..

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  184. Spawny Get says:

    No, I don’t understand it either. That’s why I respect the views of the Dalrock types. They have values that I respect from their religion, but they still deal with reality.

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  185. La la la la la…back to regular self…for now!

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  186. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda at 4:25pm,
    $2700 per seat, 125 seat max, and only fifty seats sold to an all woman meeting with Hillary? So, they opened ti to men and filled up. Hillary showsup an hour late and only spends a hlf hour.
    I think Hillary is past her peak.

    I linked this over at Bloom’s. For those who don’t know Stingray, she is a moderator on the Red Pill Women subreddit.
    https://verusconditio.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/petty-revenge/
    What I can’t fathom is the depth of contempt that these wives have for their husbands. Twenty five thousand likes on Facebook?!
    How deep does this go?

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  187. SFC Ton says:

    Tradcons/socons are still main linings blue pills like a stripper does coke

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  188. Spawny Get says:

    That’s a cool image. Begins plotting…

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  189. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Bear goes into the kitchen and reaches for the can of vegatable soup.
    I have heard of women synchonizing their cycles. There has to be a reason that nature wants this to happen.

    About “The Conservative Woman”, she wants men to forgive and come back to the plantation. After reading that post at Stingray’s, I have to ask, “What about this?”

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  190. SFC Ton says:

    Yep she wants men to come back and offers no incentive

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  191. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    SfcTon,
    The good news is that she is, at least, aware that we are off the reservation.

    Bloom,
    Is your new avatar the chick that resembles the rooster?
    A while back, Cill posted a comment about how to sex chicks with 80% accuracy. I have no idea where to look.

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  192. theasdgamer says:

    Spawny, I envy my hypothetical 40 acres as well. My land is much smaller and has a house and a small pond that I share.

    I’d like to upgrade the land and downgrade the house to a trailer.

    A good friend is buying some land for us to go hunting/shooting on. Woo-Hoo!

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  193. Cill says:

    If you need a few tips to make do on a small block, I’ve got a few up my sleeve 😉

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  194. Spawny Get says:

    There’s no plausible way to get the cabin in the woods level of isolation in this country. Too small, too many people.

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  195. Alana says:

    Poseidon 740: “I am curious where you reside. Are you from an Asain country? My understanding about Asain women is that they have become almost as permiscuous as Western women.”

    Poseidon, as Spawny said, I’m from Singapore. 🙂 Like most developed countries, it has been increasingly westernised. But the more conservative Asian values are still strong. (I’m just referring to the culture in general; naturally there will be individuals who differ).

    I don’t have a single Singaporean female friend who I would consider promiscuous. But partly it’s due to my attending the ‘good’ schools where most students are from ‘good’ families (middle class, stable, 2 parents, both educated). If any of my female friends have ever treated sex casually, they’ve reeeeally (x100) kept it on the down low. :-p

    “You seem to understand that a conservative man would not want to marry a women with a high N count. Many folks just can’t seem to understand that. I would only consider marriage again with a very low N count lady, but I am 51 so that won’t happen. And I wouldn’t be able to verify a low N count.”

    Over here, a guy doesn’t have to be conservative to not wanna marry such a woman. They simply don’t have to, and choose to not risk making their life more difficult than it has to be. They can be on the ‘liberal’ side and not be judgemental towards women who have relatively-high Ns and be on friendly terms with them–they’d just be unlikely to marry her. It’s not so much the fact she’s had sex partners, but fear of issues (like lack of self control or inability to prioritise long-term satisfaction over instant gratification) and baggage she is likely to have, as some guys here have pointed out.

    U’re right that it’s hard for u to verify a low N count, although hopefully u can avoid women with high N counts–even that is hard when u live in such a big country. 😦 If I were a guy, I wouldn’t consider marrying someone unless I absolutely trusted her because she consistently displayed honesty and integrity, at which point I would trust her and not suspect she’s hiding a high N.

    ” hope my son meets a high quality young lady in a few years…..”

    Perhaps u could do some matchmaking, secretly 😉

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  196. Alana says:

    Btw to be clear, I’m definitely not implying Tarn has issues/baggage related to her openness to having a higher N. 🙂 But out of every 100 women with high Ns, there is only 1 like Tarn. IMO most do it for dumb reasons, and have too much baggage after. >.< A lot of men don't like those odds and it's reasonable for them to avoid such women.

    Btw Tarn, u're not even high N, u're just open to having a higher N one day. I wouldn't be surprised if u felt differently once u actually tried moving in that direction–u may just end up in another exclusive several-years-long arrangement because u find that fulfilling. 🙂

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  197. Alana says:

    “Anyone else reckon that mattress girl and her mattress have a great future in Sumo wrestling? She has the face for it and even has a crash mat.”

    LOL, Spawny. XD

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  198. Tarnished says:

    But out of every 100 women with high Ns, there is only 1 like Tarn. IMO most do it for dumb reasons, and have too much baggage after.

    Yup. Reading women’s confessions online about why they have gotten high Ns is depressing. Many, if not most, of them seem to believe that if they give sex they are bound to get love and commitment in return. Obviously, this is folly. If they are wanting an actual relationship, they should be intimate but not sexual for the first few months to ensure loving/caring feelings are present in both people before having full-on sex. Otherwise, they may end up with another notch when that’s the last thing they want! I can absolutely see how repeating this mistake over and over would screw up someone’s mental state and make them bitter, frustrated, or even angry. In other words…baggage.

    I postulate that it’s different for those who never think of sex as transactional, only validational. Viewing sex as a simple sharing of pleasure and intimacy between people with no further qualifiers is foreign to many women’s way of thinking, as Deti pointed out in an earlier post. It’s not how they are hardwired to think…Bloom’s story about her friend who consciously *tried* yet was still unable to is a good example of this. And this isn’t a bad thing! Male and female brains and reproductive strategies are not the same, so it shouldn’t be surprising that it’s extremely difficult (if not impossible in most cases) to overwrite them. I honestly think the only reason I’m able to do so is because I have a more masculine-typed brain to begin with…if I had a feminine brain, I seriously doubt the lure of sexual variety for its own sake would appeal to me as much as it does, lol.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if u felt differently once u actually tried moving in that direction–u may just end up in another exclusive several-years-long arrangement because u find that fulfilling.

    This is certainly a possibility, and I wouldn’t purposefully avoid or discount it if I had another long-term FwB arrangement when this one ends. But remember that the one I have now isn’t exclusive either, it simply works out that way on my end due to touch issues. My partner has a potential plan for that though, so let’s see if it helps. 😉

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