High School Stupidity


Recently Liz commented on how high school was a type of hell for her.  She is not the only one.  It would seem to be odd that parents would knowingly subject their children to this; but they do.  One aspect of the problem is that boys and girls are coming of age.  They are experiencing new powerful feelings and are not really equipped to handle them.  And high school just amplifies the issues.  The question is: What might be done to alleviate the problems related to this transition?

Here are some ideas.  First and foremost, require school uniforms.  This would be a real cost saver, but most importantly, it would reduce students flaunting their assets (financial and otherwise) and/or stating something provocative (e.g. words on a shirt).  Of course, the youngsters would state that their free expression would be undermined, but so what?  There are enough outlets for their expression, this is one that is not needed.

Another suggestion would be to ban Facebook.  This would be something that the parents do.  Ideally, they would perform a role model function for their children by foregoing it themselves.  A world without Facebook is a better world.

Another suggestion would be to teach their children the red pill (or at last parts of it).  It would help them understand why things are happening the way that they are.  And there is comfort in understanding.

When I entered high school, I was under the impression that it was all about intellectual development.  Was I ever wrong.  As I was an NT, this is what was natural to me.  I know that it far-fetched, but perhaps high schools should actually be about that.  And if this was the case, then perhaps the students would have less time to engage in foolishness.

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182 comments on “High School Stupidity
  1. Tarnished says:

    First and foremost, require school uniforms.

    I’m fine with everything else on this list, but want to declare a caveat. School uniforms should be the same for girls and boys. I went to private school from kindergarten thru 5th grade, and the female uniform was extremely problematic.

    Boys wore a white long sleeve shirt, a black belt, navy blue pants, and black shoes. They had a short sleeve white shirt and navy blue shorts to wear in the summer than came down nearly to the knee.
    Girls only had 1 uniform, which was a navy/plaid jumper with a short sleeve white blouse, black shoes, and knee high socks. We were forbidden from wearing pants, even on days when it was -10 degrees (23 to you over the pond people). Not only that, but the skirt portion of the jumpers didn’t even reach our knees…it was about 5 inches above, which was actually deemed inappropriate at the public schools I attended afterwards.

    Older boys would constantly try to flip up our skirts in the halls, and one of the favorite “initiations” of the oldest girls was to take the 1st grade girls, put them over shoulder, and walk around the unmonitored section of the playground with their underpants on full view. Boys had no such “initiation”, as that would require full on pantsing and removal of their belts.

    Tl;dr
    Skirts and kids suck.
    Girls and boys should both wear slacks or pants.

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  2. Oldest bloomette wants to homeschool, wise beyond her years! She’s luckily not a joiner, very solid and thoughtful.

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  3. Tarnished says:

    As am I, Bloom. When I hear of all the children who have literally killed themselves due to the nigh inescapable bullying that social media allows, I’m very thankful for my current age.

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  4. Tarnished says:

    If I was to become a parent, homeschooling would be the only way to go.

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  5. Farm Boy says:

    All right Tarn, I could go for uniform uniforms.

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    If you remember the 80s, then you will get a kick out this.

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  7. Sumo says:

    If I was to become a parent, homeschooling would be the only way to go.

    If I were to become a parent, my kids would the ones getting prescribed meds to curtail their violent impulses.

    Impulses that they would have been taught by dear old Dad, naturally.

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  8. Farm Boy says:

    Sumo,

    Would you want to be Kung Fury’s partner?

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  9. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn,
    I think things were different because of our age seperation. When I was in grade school, we had nuns that did look like penguins and NOBDY gave them any static. They would not have allowed the hazing you describe. It’s not that later educators are more permissive, I don’t think that they have any latitude in punishing miscreants.
    Uniforms are a distinct benefit to poor stundents. It stops wealthy kids from displaying status.
    I don’t know about unisex uniforms. Girls look funny in guy’s clothes. They have bumps in different places.

    On the subject of uniforms and women. In WWII, the US Navy had a problem. They needed to recruit a lot of nurses. While they couldn’t offer more money, they could offer a good looking uniform. They contracted Givenchy anmd he designed the current uniform.

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  10. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    As an adult, I don’t Facebook. I don’t want to think of what kids in high school could do with it.

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  11. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    The Black Pill linked this on another thread. PMAFT hit it out of the park.
    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2015/05/feminism-is-defined-by-the-laws-and-public-policy-it-has-created/

    In my opinion, as the moderates withdraw from feminism, it will leave the radicals making their contribution less dilute.

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  12. Farm Boy says:

    When I was in grade school, we had nuns that did look like penguins

    Normally, I would think that bears would get the best of penguins

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  13. BuenaVista says:

    I think the problem of high school is that society infantilizes high school students, when in fact they are young adults. Many pine for being treated accordingly.

    I mentor a latino kid these days and it seems I am the only human who treats him like a man. He’s 17, wrestles and runs cross country, and is an A student in his STEM classes. His eyes bug out when I tell him that at 17 my dad was serving on the Missouri in the Pacific in WWII, and that I (at 17) was self-supporting in NYC, working at a brokerage house. It’s a big deal to him to have ‘open campus’, so some mornings he can work for me and make a run to the dump. I just throw him the keys to the truck and send him on his way; this is exotic to him.

    It’s a big deal to him that, as I told him, when my dad was home in this small town on leave, he was allowed to drink beer in the taverns with the grown-ups if he wore his uniform, and used the side or back door so as not to embarrass the sheriff. To me this is normal behavior for a man home on leave, and he was doing a man’s job so he deserved to be treated like one. But these kids are treated like grade schoolers.

    The British Navy gave (a midshipman’s) command to 10 year-old boys during the Napoleonic Wars, and we know how that turned out. (The British Navy controlled the globe.) We won’t let 18 year-old young men go outside for a smoke during study hall.

    At 16 I was working 40 hour weeks and driving straight through 1000 miles to Colorado to ski, through blizzards, with only another 16 year-old for company. Today, that behavior would likely cause a parent to be charged with child endangerment. Nobody got bent out of shape when I dropped out of high school to go to Oberlin, because I thought I was old enough and so did the college, and nobody thought it was weird, either, when after a semester I painted a house, collected my dollars, and got on a bus to NYC.

    I would hate to be an adolescent in this society, particularly as a male, and I’ve found that they react like any prior generation to being treated like the adults that they are.

    ***

    One of the best times I’ve ever had with my older children occurred after my divorce. They were 9 and 11. I took them on vacation to the rural midwest (we lived in suburban DC). But I had a meeting in Chicago that I had to take. So we flew my little plane into the now-destroyed (by Daly) Meigs Field, a little 3000′ strip hard by Lake Michigan, and got rooms at the Intercontinental on Michigan Avenue. For those unfamiliar with Chicago, Michigan Avenue is Chicago’s Fifth Avenue. It’s grand, long, and fascinating.

    The day of the meeting I took them down into the Loop and dropped them off at the Art Institute at 10 a.m., and gave my daughter some twenties and said, “After you’re tired of the museum, just walk north and that means keep the Lake on the right. Probably check out the Navy Pier or do anything you want. Have lunch. If you are concerned, just talk to any man in a uniform and grab a cab back to the hotel. I’ll be back by 4.”

    They had a marvelous day, and still speak of it now, in their 20’s.

    Again, such behavior today is considered grounds for losing custody. Basically, it’s illegal.

    ***

    I did this because as a boy, I would ride the train into Chicago with my dad and siblings, and I wanted them to have an experience that I recalled. I was probably 10 or 11; that makes my brother 7 or 8. My dad would let my brother and me leave the hotel we stayed at then, and play catch with a baseball in the park across the street. He would stay in the hotel and read the papers, and he said that, if he opened the window, he could hear the pop-pop-pop of the ball hitting our gloves. He only went to the window when he didn’t hear the pop.

    This ‘protection’ racket that society practices now induces all manner of negative behaviors. Boys who act like boys are simply medicated at the direction of the schools. It means that boys only have a chance to grow up in their 20’s. I feel very fortunate that I went to high school during an era when I was allowed to make choices, screw up, learn from the screw-ups, and interact with adults as a young adult.

    The highest compliment I received during the high school years was when my farmer grandfather saw me at 16, after I’d grown a bit, and said simply, “You’re a man now.” My grandfather had an 8th grade education. He gave me a tractor to run and expected me to run it right.

    Try telling a contemporary boy at 16 that he’s a man, and deserves credit and the responsibility for being so. He’s probably never heard it. His face will bloom with pride.

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  14. BuenaVista says:

    Another anecdote: my ex-‘s family was extremely privileged (they made their money in the Civil War, and didn’t work afterward). But the patriarch was a tough guy, and raised his boys, including my former father-in-law, accordingly.

    They had a 45’ Herreshoff yacht (a classic sailing yacht, no auxiliary power, just sail) and it was worked on in New London, CT (one of two major sub bases now). My father-in-law, at age 12, was given his younger brothers and the boat, and told to sail it down Long Island Sound to the home place. No adults on board. So, he did. He delivered a fancy yacht and moored it successfully at home. Child Services was not informed.

    When was the last time we heard of people treating their children this way? I think it’s a better system, and the ‘zero defect’ management of high school kids just teaches them that they are helpless, hopeless wards with no capacity to think or perform.

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  15. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    Perhaps not entirely unisex uniforms, but girls shouldn’t have to wear skirts that make them unable to run and constantly have to keep out of the hands of idiot classmates. Dress pants or nice slacks would be more than appropriate, plus would help keep them warm in the winter and avoid them looking like eye-candy for “catholic schoolgirl” fetishists.

    But otherwise yes. Uniforms are a good thing in middle and high school, as they create a sense of community and stop wealthy kids from showing off.

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  16. Cill says:

    This physical bullying of girls by boys, was it prevalent?

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  17. Tarnished says:

    Only when the teachers weren’t looking, same as when the girls were bullies. Even then, it wasn’t all the older boys or girls…just the ones who were asses. There were a few in nearly every grade, save kindergarten thru 2nd. It seemed 3rd or 4th was where the bullies really started.

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  18. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn,
    Your greivaence is sound. Beyond wearing tights as an additional layer, I can’t think of a traditionsl solution. I grew up in California.
    There has to be an “old school” solution.

    As for Facebook, I think that nuns equipped with hammers will take care of that.

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  19. Ah bv, we all do love thee! Good to see you and I agree 100% that wrapping kids in bubble wrap and not allowing them any responsibility, adventure, or independence is a big big loss…

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  20. I would homeschool already except as a self employed single mom…I don’t feel I have the ability to give my oldest the time and support necessary to do it well. Hopefully before high school this will change…

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  21. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,
    Nuns with hammers?
    I can think of many kids who would settle back down if this were the case!

    Bloom,
    What about group homeschooling? It’s starting to become popular around me.

    And goodnight, all. Time for me to go pretend to actually sleep, lol. 🙂

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  22. Spawny Get says:

    “[T]he ‘zero defect’ management of high school kids just teaches them that they are helpless, hopeless wards with no capacity to think or perform.”

    Just like their teachers, who just Trot along behind the Marxist bus driven by their ideological leaders. Leaders who seem to be completely out of touch with human nature and behaviour.

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  23. Spawny Get says:

    “Nuns with hammers?”
    Yay!

    And for the hardcore problem princesses…Sister Sandy Bush…One Superior Mother.

    (looks like it was made in the UK. Cars driving on the right side – the left. Wheely bins too. End credits suggest it was Oz)

    (maybe it’s a left handed one, but…) P/A with no ejector port…in fact no ejected casings from les armes du poing either. No issue with recoil neither.

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  24. Spawny Get says:

    Also available, ‘Nun of that’ 😉

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  25. Spawny Get says:

    Watch the ‘Nun of that’ trailer!

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  26. theasdgamer says:

    I think the problem of high school is that society infantilizes high school students, when in fact they are young adults.

    Women’s brains continue to develop until around age 22. Men’s brains until around age 24. High school students are adolescents, mentally. Of course, they can reproduce much younger.

    To the point of the “infantilization” of high school students, they generally aren’t competent to make decisions about things like what to wear. We see them wearing slutty outfits to church all the time.

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  27. theasdgamer says:

    Ideally, we would eliminate funding for public education. The administrators won’t/can’t protect the students from predators.

    The clothing issues could be solved without requiring unisex clothes. Unisex clothing tends to undermine men’s status.

    In the short term, we can home school.

    I use Facebook to communicate with family and friends. I get a lot of dance info through Facebook. I have no problem with cutting off high schoolers from Facebook, except family; high schoolers’ friends and convos on Facebook ought to be monitored.

    My wife’s family didn’t even have a land line when she was in high school. Her dad refused to get one. Mrs. Gamer’s father drove her to high school and picked her up afterwards. She didn’t have a boyfriend until college and she was very unwavering about refusing sex. Mrs. Gamer’s makeout skills were lousy.

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  28. theasdgamer says:

    One more thing…the later brain development of men and women is the area used heavily in judgmental decision-making, where there are a lot of variable and unknowns.

    And, of course, high schoolers lack experience.

    Voting and office-holding shouldn’t be allowed before 30. That age gives 5 years of experience with complete brain development.

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  29. theasdgamer says:

    In the United States, teenagers drive less than all but the oldest people, but their numbers of crashes and crash deaths are disproportionately high. In the United States, the fatal crash rate per mile driven for 16-19 year-olds is nearly 3 times the rate for drivers ages 20 and over. Risk is highest at ages 16-17. In fact, the fatal crash rate per mile driven is nearly twice as high for 16-17 year-olds as it is for 18-19 year-olds.

    http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/teenagers/fatalityfacts/teenagers

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  30. Liz says:

    BV: “My father-in-law, at age 12, was given his younger brothers and the boat, and told to sail it down Long Island Sound to the home place. No adults on board. So, he did. He delivered a fancy yacht and moored it successfully at home. Child Services was not informed.”

    The open sea is actually STILL a pretty “free” place for adolescents. At least, where I live. They can get their boaters licenses around 11 (if memory serves), and can go where they want.

    It kind of surprised me when I moved out here, but now I’m used to it. The kids are different from what I’m used to (nicer, more mature in general and better with adults, and less prone to delinquent behavior. Pregnancies in highschool or middle are basically nonexistant here). Part of that might be relative affluence, but I think the freedom to just go out on a boat and go anywhere they want, starting in middle school, helps a lot too.

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  31. Liz says:

    Facebook is considered very uncool by the “cool kids” now. At least, around here. Happened a little before the company went public. The kids do use other forms of social media though (and a lot of texting…the phone is like and extension of their body. Wouldn’t it be cool if there was a feature where a person can actually talk, in real time to that person instead of sending a message? Imagine if you could just dial and actually hear that person speaking to you…you wouldn’t have to type out a message or anything. Hopefully they’ll come up with that some day). 🙂

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  32. Liz says:

    I’m definitely a uniform advocate, and an advocate for the banning of social media for highschool students.

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  33. Tarnished says:

    The clothing issues could be solved without requiring unisex clothes. Unisex clothing tends to undermine men’s status.

    Fuzzie and I already covered the fact that uniforms don’t have to be completely unisex, just very similar. But isn’t the point of uniforms to create equal status? Popular kids can’t bully unpopular kids for not having the most “in” clothing, wealthy ones can’t have ultra-expensive designer clothes, nobody has tears or holes and all have a very clean/respectable appearance.

    School is not about “status”, it’s about (or should be about) getting an education to help one navigate the world and it’s people.

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  34. Spawny Get says:

    Yes…Yes…Yes! Liz

    But what about the nuns?

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  35. Liz says:

    Just thinking further…
    The culture of fear BV describes above doesn’t end with adolescence. His father might have been able to drink while underage, in uniform but today at some installations there are sobriety measures even for military members over 21. There was a big teetotaler push from commanders in the USFK, for example, who forbid drinking during the weekends (from Friday after work until Monday morning).

    Litigation/big brother politics are to blame. Everyone becomes afraid in an environment where one person’s irresponsible behavior can have devastating financial consequences for others…even if and when they acted completely responsibly and had nothing whatsoever to do with the irresponsible person’s behavior.

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  36. theasdgamer says:

    But isn’t the point of uniforms to create equal status?

    No. Not between men and women. Not between rich and poor. No.

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  37. Tarnished says:

    Then what?
    You’re speaking as though people with money have an inherently higher “status” than those without, or men have an inherently higher “status” than women. What’s next? Higher status ages, or skin colors, or ethnicities? Maybe people who live in Wisconsin have a higher “status” than those from Tennessee?

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  38. Liz says:

    I think uniforms definitely even out income disparities.
    They’re cheaper, and everyone looks the same. This would be a more significant issue for girls than boys. Boys don’t tend to judge each other based on their outfits as much.

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  39. Tarnished says:

    Precisely, Liz.

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  40. theasdgamer says:

    You don’t try to manage status by deciding what people wear. Bad idea.

    I see no reason that wealthy people shouldn’t have more status. Nor do I see any reason to minimize their status.

    Why shouldn’t there be different statuses based on age or ethnicity or skin color? I’m not advocating for or against–If skin color is associated with criminality, it should have a status penalty a priori. Right? That status penalty might be mitigated/overcome by solid conduct, of course.

    Older people have more experience. Why shouldn’t they have higher statuses than younger people?

    If I am Italian living in an Italian neighborhood, why shouldn’t I have higher status than some Irishman entering my neighborhood?

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  41. Liz says:

    I’d love to watch that video, Swithy…but I have to upload something (flashplayer, or some such, is out-of-date). Can’t watch any videos until I do that, and I don’t know the security code to download! Have to wait for Mike….

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  42. theasdgamer says:

    Wealthy girls will carry/wear more expensive accessories. No way to avoid the status difference.

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  43. School uniforms have lots of benefits, but many teens do have a natural desire to express individuality (which I actually think is good; it’s more disheartening to see those who try so hard just to be like every other person). So I wouldn’t necessarily recommend a reeeeally strict uniform code, like we had in Asia, where ur sneakers and socks must be totally white and your earrings must be studs only and no makeup is allowed and hair must be tied with a navy blue or black band, no necklaces/bracelets etc etc. It’s v stifling to many teens and we often got creative in exploiting little loopholes.

    I do agree that in many American schools, the situation is at the other extreme and that has its own set of issues, like lack of discipline as well as excessive social comparisons, contributing to more insecurity and ostracisation/bullying of those who don’t ‘measure up’ in some way…Of course, even over here with the strict dress codes, many teens are aware (sometimes acutely so) that they have differring social/economic status compared to peers, e.g. we knew if particular classmates lived in a v wealthy neighbourhood, or was a minister’s daughter etc; but ppl didn’t focus on that so much because that status wasn’t flaunted daily in terms of expensive possessions etc.

    One gd thing about sch uniforms is I could sleep till 15 minutes of the sch bus arriving daily–which is awesome when we often got home in the evening from sch activities and had to be back in sch at 7am. 5 mins for showering/washing up, 5 mins for brushing teeth and getting dressed, 5 mins for breakfast and then u fly out of the door. :p Wish I could get that youthful energy and efficiency back 😦

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  44. Liz says:

    “You don’t try to manage status by deciding what people wear. Bad idea.”

    You can, and folks do. Uniforms aren’t only for schools, they’re used in lots of other places (medical community, police, military, ect) and “regulating status” is one major purpose for them. They are intended to create less individuality, less diversity and less disparity. You might not want this for yourself in your day to day life, and as an adult you should be free to choose in your free time but it is beneficial for a bunch of pupils in the classroom environment (and beneficial in other environments too…people seem more willing to trust a nurse or doctor, for example, if they are dressed as a nurse or doctor and not…say, the janitor).

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  45. I agree with Liz on “banning of social media for highschool students”. Maybe not as a school rule, but a rule imposed by parents.

    Some parents are too permissive these days, trying more to be a friend than an authority figure. Authoritative parenting has been shown to lead to better developmental outcomes for kids than permissive parenting.

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  46. Tarnished says:

    Because why create more unnecessary tension where it needn’t exist? One can’t (in average daily life, not talking about military situations) use a priori/inexperienced knowledge to condemn someone right off the bat.

    People should be judged on their individual actions and words, not on “what if” scenarios. That’s how the idiotic concept of Schrodinger’s Rapist was created.

    Let’s keep seeing monsters in the shadows and assuming every man is going to rape us, or every black person is a mugger. Sounds legit.

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  47. Liz says:

    “Wealthy girls will carry/wear more expensive accessories. No way to avoid the status difference.”

    Not if accessories are forbidden in school they won’t.
    I very much remember teaching in an indigent school environment and one primary insult at the time was, “You bought your clothes at Walmart!” I’ve noticed there’s usually actually far more of a disparity in class system in indigent environments than wealthy ones.

    I remember a friend of mine back in middle school. She went to a private school, but the school didn’t have uniforms. The girls would make fun of her for not wearing designer jeans. At the time, these jeans were extremely expensive and her parents could not afford it, so she saved her babysitting money and was finally able to buy a pair for a ridiculous amount of money. The girls immediately claimed her jeans were fake and continued to ridicule her. This would not happen in a school with uniforms. I’m sure they’d pick on something else, but if they were all dressed the same they would have far less ammo. And people tend to act nicer and collaborate better when they are dressed nicely and the same. This is simply a fact.

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  48. Tarnished says:

    Wealthy girls will carry/wear more expensive accessories. No way to avoid the status difference.

    But you can remove frivolous accessories from the dress code. We didn’t have cell phones or ipods when I was in private school, but our uniform requirements dictated that the only jewelry/accessories allowed were simple cross necklaces and plain wristwatches for both sexes. Girls could wear earrings, but only if they were plain silver or gold studs…nothing that was loose, or expensive looking or “bangled” as my teachers put it.

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  49. Yeah Asdgamer, as the other ladies pointed out, it wouldn’t be as simple as having a mandatory school uniform, there would have to be a whole list of rules–and then clarifications to those rules as teenagers inevitably start getting creative. :p

    Tarnished, I think u went thru a similar school disciplinary system as I did. :p It seemed almost fascist at times to freedom-craving adolescents, but it really beats the other extreme IMO.

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  50. Tarnished says:

    I went to a private Jewish pre-k, and then a private Catholic school (had grades K-8 in it). In 5th grade, my family moved and I went to public schools after that.

    While there were some things I loved about public school, like the ability to wear pants and run around and less restrictions on reading material in the library, I did miss the fact that nobody got made fun of…for clothing choices anyway.

    Interestingly, in 6th grade one of my former classmates from the private school also moved and was in some of my classes. We hadn’t previously been friends, per se, but were always nice to each other and had no issues between us. As soon as she began to learn the politics of clothing though, she began wearing “the” accessories and jeans and shirts…and promptly became a cruel but popular bitch.

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  51. Oops, earlier I missed out that Farm Boy wrote in the article “Another suggestion would be to ban Facebook. This would be something that the parents do. ” Sorry for repeating what he said.

    That said, teens also need to toughen up. I don’t wanna be too harsh on bullying victims, but WHYYY would u kill yourself because u were being bullied in social media by cowards hiding behind their computer? Delete your account. Sigh.

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  52. Liz: “people seem more willing to trust a nurse or doctor, for example, if they are dressed as a nurse or doctor and not…say, the janitor”.

    Thanks a lot, Liz. I’m mailing u a glitter bomb if I get a nightmare tonight of me being tied up and sedated, and seeing a janitor walk towards me with a scalpel…maybe I shouldn’t watch so many horror films…

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  53. @ tarn there is such a program in my district, homeschool but with a campus and group classes, I am going to look into it!

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  54. theasdgamer says:

    @ Liz

    Gamer: “You don’t try to manage status by deciding what people wear. Bad idea.”

    Liz: You can, and folks do.

    I can guaran-dam-tee you that a captain who puts on oak leaves because he wants to be uniform with a major will get court-martialed. Accessories aren’t uniform.

    Status is generally not managed by uniforms in civilian life. A uniform typically indicates that a person belongs to a group. Officers wear one sort of dress uniform and enlisted wear another, I believe. In that one case, status can be managed. I’ll grant you that, but it is in a social situation. Officers used to accessorize with sidearms, right? Enlisted not?

    Surgical teams wear scrubs. A surgeon doesn’t have the same status as an OR tech even though both wear the same uniform.

    Maybe the vagueness of “status” needs to be ironed out. I was referring to social status.

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  55. theasdgamer says:

    One can’t (in average daily life, not talking about military situations) use a priori/inexperienced knowledge to condemn someone right off the bat.

    Straw man. The question is how to make our decisions with less than optimal knowledge.

    Jesse Jackson famously said that if he was in a bad part of town, he would cross the street to avoid encountering vibrants, even if whites were on the other side of the street.

    Profiling works. It must be augmented by supportive info-gathering (interviews, etc.).

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  56. theasdgamer says:

    And people tend to act nicer and collaborate better when they are dressed nicely and the same. This is simply a fact.

    Group identity, not status management.

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  57. theasdgamer says:

    Liz, since a uniform makes someone trustworthy, I’ll put on scrubs and we can play Doctor. Ta-dum.

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  58. Liz says:

    You’ve lost me, Gamer.
    We’re talking about highschool correct?
    You are, to be clear, in favor of creating and maintaining social status disparities in high school? This is a productive and constructive thing in your estimation?

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  59. theasdgamer says:

    Liz, the context is Tarn’s comment:

    But isn’t the point of uniforms to create equal status?

    You are, to be clear, in favor of controlling and limiting what people wear in order to equalize their statuses? So, no matter that the parents can afford to outfit their kids in style, the kids must be dressed down? And kids won’t pick up on this and figure out statuses based on other cues? And bully other kids anyway–maybe more, since adults are cueing status as important?

    This is a practical and helpful thing in your estimation?

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  60. theasdgamer says:

    You know, kids will never go to football games or high school social events (parties) except when wearing their uniforms. So, status will never be an issue. It’s so absurd.

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  61. Liz says:

    “You are, to be clear, in favor of controlling and limiting what people wear in order to equalize their statuses?”

    For highschool students and certain situations when it is appropriate (nursing students, military basic training, et al) most definitely (as I said).

    “So, no matter that the parents can afford to outfit their kids in style, the kids must be dressed down?”

    The kids can dress however they want at home and/or in their personal free time. At school they should dress as other kids in the school do.

    “And kids won’t pick up on this and figure out statuses based on other cues? And bully other kids anyway–maybe more, since adults are cueing status as important?”

    I don’t remember anyone suggesting uniforms are a panacea for all bad behavior. But per the above, it doesn’t seem to happen that way. Uniforms do, in fact, impact behavior favorably in the school environment (the reason those expensive academies and lots of high performing private schools, and Asian schools do it).

    This is a practical and helpful thing in your estimation?

    Haven’t I already answered that question in just about every post above, sometimes in detail? Yes.

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  62. Liz says:

    “You know, kids will never go to football games or high school social events (parties) except when wearing their uniforms. So, status will never be an issue. It’s so absurd.”

    Excluded middle fallacy land. Again.

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  63. missattempts says:

    High School was a nightmere for me. To this day (38 years later) I’ve not gotten
    over it.
    When I went the student body was divided into Jocks (Aletheletes) Greesers (Poor
    kids) Brains, and Nothings. I didn’t even rate that.
    I was ridiculed, spat upon, and had objects thrown at me. I didn’t belong with
    normal kids because I was normal. Somehow I made it through, but it was hardily
    worth the effort. My life is no different now then it was then. But even 38 years later
    I run into people that remember me. I was that freaky.

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  64. Spawny Get says:

    Liz and Tarn’s arguments are mentioned here. You might disagree, but others don’t. I don’t see this as a democracy thing, I’m just saying that after beating the issue to the point that people switch off from reading the blog…you then have to turn your attention to a lot of other people (many much closer to school age than you or I, Gamer) of a similar mind.

    Why the heat? Their views seem pretty reasonable. They’re not saying that status whoring will stop, only that uniforms reduce the scope for it.

    http://everydaylife.globalpost.com/reasons-schools-should-shouldnt-use-uniforms-16854.html

    According to the National Center for Education Statistics, during the 2009 to 2010 school year, about 19 percent of public schools required students to wear uniforms, an increase from only 12 percent in the previous year. Proponents of school uniforms claim that the policy makes schools safer and creates a more positive environment, but opponents say that it places unnecessary limits on students and and can be costly.

    Makes Schools Safer
    Supporters of uniforms claim they can increase school safety. Uniforms allow staff to quickly identify people who do not belong on campus and limit the ways that gangs can identify themselves. In 1994, Long Beach United School District in California began requiring uniforms with the hopes of improving safety. Just five years later, the overall crime rate in the district was down 91 percent. Specifically, sex offenses dropped 96 percent and number of incidents of vandalism had decreased 69 percent.

    Creates a Positive Environment
    When all students are dressed alike, economic and social barriers between students are reduced. There is no peer pressure to wear expensive clothes or bullying of those who can’t afford designer labels. Children have one less distraction, as they do not have to concern themselves with what others are wearing. Common dress can also make students feel like they belong to the school community, increase pride and even improve attendance. A 2012 study by the University of Houston of 160 public, urban schools, found that student attendance increased after schools began mandating uniforms.

    Academic Achievement
    Supporters of school uniforms often cite increased academic achievement as a main reason to adopt such a policy. While there is some anecdotal evidence to support this claim, overall, studies yield inconclusive results. A study by Ryan Yeung analyzed student data collected from 1988 to 2004. His research found that although some test scores were higher for schools that required uniforms, in others, scores were actually lower.

    Limits Rights
    Some opponents claim that uniforms are not a fix-all for the problems that plague schools, but instead, violate a student’s right to express themselves, as guaranteed by the First Amendment. They claim that a dress code can provide guidelines and exclusions for certain types of dress, such as clothing with drug references or vulgar language printed on them, while still allowing students to make their own choices and be an individual.

    Cost
    Even with uniforms, parents would still need to purchase “regular” clothes for when students are not in school, thus creating an additional expense. A 2012 presentation by North Brunswick Township Public Schools in New Jersey reported the average cost for families to purchase uniforms would be about $300 per student each year. Students receiving free or reduced lunch would not be required to purchase uniforms, but instead, this expense would be covered by the school. In this particular district, that means needing over $700,000 in additional funds.

    References
    National Center for Education Statistics: Fast Facts — School Uniforms
    Psychology Today: Uniform Improvements
    University of Houston: UH Study Suggests School Uniforms Reduce Student Absences, Disciplinary Problems
    GreatSchools.org: Do Uniforms Make Schools Better?
    North Brunswick Township Public Schools: School Uniform Task Force
    Pacific Standard: No Uniform Solution

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  65. theasdgamer says:

    Excluded middle fallacy land. Again. Snark.

    Nope, just an enthymeme (implied proposition). Status from outside the school will carry over into the school. Your claim that you can equalize social status through uniforms is absurd. (Didn’t the socialists try this stunt and didn’t it fail miserably due to the nomenklatura?)

    Wearing uniforms increases social cohesion because uniforms help to create a group identity. That has nothing to do with social status within the group. (I am not opposed to uniforms.)

    You continue to misunderstand the issue.

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  66. Spawny Get says:

    I think that the age thing might be key here, Gamer. When I went to school (in the UK) there were some fashions regarding trouser legs (pants to you, mate), tie width and DM boots for the retarded.

    Nothing major, IDGAS and received no hassle over it.

    My sisters (also factor in female) had some issues a few years younger.

    My cousins (8 years younger) permed their hair at one point, worried about girlfriends before reaching ten. Trainers (sneakers? Y U no speak English?) HAD to have the right labels etc.

    When was this? well…my cousins have just turned forty or so.

    Recently, I hear of a boy getting into trouble at a local school for videoing himself receiving a BJ from his girlfriend and then showing everyone. Another having a girl try to attack him with a knife (he grabbed a pool cue…and no-contest) HE was the one called in to the HM’s office. Even though they had video of the incident.

    la…la…la…the times…they are a changin’…

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  67. Liz says:

    Just a few points, Swithy, from your quotes on the link:

    “His research found that although some test scores were higher for schools that required uniforms, in others, scores were actually lower.”

    There has been a push to promote school uniforms in very indigent crime-ridden areas. For very good reasons…people were coming to school in gang colors (and all the associated violence). The only real objective measure would be test improvement for those types areas…since it’s an apples and oranges comparison to the non-crime ridden areas.

    As in regards to cost:
    “Even with uniforms, parents would still need to purchase “regular” clothes for when students are not in school, thus creating an additional expense.”
    Anyone who wears a uniform for work can tell you otherwise. You can’t wear the same clothes to school on a day to day basis without ridicule, unless it’s a uniform. With the uniform system, a child can own a couple of uniforms for school, and a couple of play clothes outside of school. Children don’t usually go to school and play in the same clothes (mine don’t, typically…and I don’t want them to, they’re really hard on their play clothes).

    Okay, out for the day. 😉

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  68. Tarnished says:

    What the heck is a “vibrant”? 😕

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  69. theasdgamer says:

    It’s a term used to avoid the PC police for inner city types.

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  70. Spawny Get says:

    How about a nice Elephant video starring Tony Jaa?

    Inspired by that excellent Kung Fury video linked above

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  71. theasdgamer says:

    Spawny, let me repeat. I am not opposed to uniforms. Tarn and I weren’t discussing the pros and cons of uniforms, generally. I merely objected to her claim that uniforms could help manage social status.

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  72. Spawny: ” A 2012 presentation by North Brunswick Township Public Schools in New Jersey reported the average cost for families to purchase uniforms would be about $300 per student each year. ”

    That estimate sounds pretty high; I’m sure it could be lowered. I can’t remember the exact prices, but I think I spent within $100 a year on average for my uniforms (a formal type, and PE attire).

    “When all students are dressed alike, economic and social barriers between students are reduced. There is no peer pressure to wear expensive clothes or bullying of those who can’t afford designer labels.”

    This is really a big plus, especially since teens are often still more immature and insecure. It’s not just about expensive or designer clothes either, even having a typical/average fashionable teenager’s wardrobe to “fit in” with schmates can be a financial burden to many families–ppl who have lived in UMC households all their lives may not realise that. As someone whose family was in debt for most of my adolescent yrs due to a stockmarket crash, I’m really glad my parents didn’t have to have the additional worry of having to buy a large, flattering, fashionable wardrobe for me and my siblings.

    It’s true that teens may still feel some of these pressures out of school, but they have a lot more control over who they spend time with in those after-school hrs; they’re not forced to spend several hrs a day with pple who might denigrate or harrass them for not having a certain look or certain possessions.

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  73. Tarnished “What the heck is a “vibrant”? ”

    Oh thank goodness, I thought i was the only clueless one, lol.

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  74. Tarnished says:

    I run into people that remember me. I was that freaky.

    So do I. The 2 of us, we’re awesome that way. Screw the Muggles, if differences scare them that much.

    I was ridiculed, spat upon, and had objects thrown at me.
    Me too. Milk pints dumped over my head, spitting on my food in the cafeteria, boys slapping my ass as I walked by their desks or grabbing my breasts in the hall. Girls playing “keep away” with my books or tripping me on the stairs. Boys pulling my hair so hard my scalp actually bled a little.

    People. Suck.
    Certainly not all, and maybe not most. But enough to make one want to lash out…Yet we are better than that. We are stronger than the jibes and fists thrown at us. We survive, because we are just that good.

    Remember what happened, because it is a part of who you are. But don’t let it define you, otherwise these scumbags just get free rent space in your mind. Evict them, and know that your scars are proof of strength.

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  75. “Screw the Muggles”. Tarnished u read Harry Potter? :-p

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  76. Tarnished says:

    It’s a term used to avoid the PC police for inner city types.

    Sooooo…gangster types?

    Alana,
    I *love* horror movies! They’re one of the few things that help me sleep at night, those and scary stories. I lucid dream most of the time, and it makes for a fun time beating the crap out of scary monsters or villains. Gives one a huge sense of control. 🙂

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  77. Tarnished says:

    Alana,

    Yup.
    Harry Potter, Dresden Files, Game of Thrones, Dragonriders of Pern, Discworld, the Xanth novels, Lilith’s Brood…anything having to do with either sci-fi or fantasy or both. If it has comedic elements or makes you stop and think, even better.

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  78. Spawny Get says:

    Sounds like I missed out. A deprived childhood?

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  79. Spawny Get says:

    I remember seeing Alien on TV as a kid (soon after it was made)…loved it. Aliens, I like a little more. This is where femeroids go wrong with their Mad Maxine take overs of Mad Max. Sigourney Weaver was an excellent heroin, you could relate to her as a person, but she rose to the situation. She didn’t do it by pretending to be a man. Fantastic.

    In many years now I’ve not seen a really atmospheric film that approaches it.

    The stand out example of the horror genre was The Descent http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0435625/

    Maybe it comes from wreck diving, but the concept of being trapped without a way out and limited time…(and then in the movie) did something just move in the background…? Ten years old now. I could be picky about the ending, but it did leave the (trap)door open for a sequel (which also had its moments)

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  80. Tarnished says:

    Sounds like it, Spawny me mate.

    And with that, I must depart. TTFN.

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  81. Haha Tarnished, I love horror films and Harry Potter too. 🙂 U have such great taste lol.

    Didn’t read those other sci-fi/fantasy books u mentioned though, maybe I can only handle the kid-fantasy genre. :-p

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  82. Spawny, I watched The Descent with my ex-bf (we just broke up, bleah) after someone recommended it to me; sadly I didn’t find it as scary as I’d hoped. It had scary parts though, but I tend to prefer the type that really makes the blood run cold and shortens the lifespan a bit.

    I’ve noticed pple have really different opinions of what types of movies are very scary. We Asians seem particularly terrified of pale girls with long white dresses.

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  83. Speaking of horror films, I still think ur best avatar was that picture of Jack Nicholson from The Shining. XD

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  84. Spawny Get says:

    It’s still in the gravatar collection…

    The Descent…they go down caving (reminiscent of wreck diving but with free air), they have a cave in behind them, the cave system is unmapped because the woman running it took them to an unexplored system…and she didn’t tell anyone where they had gone…no rescue.

    That’s a shitty situation. Little food, little water, no directions, no rescue…and THEN something moves in the background.

    I still didn’t find it scary as such, I know it’s a movie. But I could feel the tension.

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  85. Spawny Get says:

    Deathstalker is the only fantasy fiction that I got (somewhat into), but I stopped part way through the final book. It felt like he was being forced into writing a concluding book for the story and he was writing a very poor book as some kind of revenge. Really tasteless.

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  86. Spawny Get says:

    YAY

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/29/protein-worlds-middle-finger-to-beach-body-campaigners-appears-in-nyc/

    Like something out of sci-fi classic Attack Of The 50 Foot Woman, today an unsuspecting New York woke up to find a giant Protein World ad towering above the city’s Times Square neighbourhood.

    The now infamous, “Are you beach body ready?” ad – that provoked outrage amongst the easily-offended in London last month – is back; only this time it’s bolder and as big as a skyscraper at 42nd Street between 7th and 8th Avenues.

    “We’ve spent £350,000 on it so far, around a 50 per cent increase on our London spend. Best of all, you could say that this campaign was paid for by the protestors in London.

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  87. theasdgamer says:

    I was ridiculed, spat upon, and had objects thrown at me.

    Other guys mocked me. I took myself way too seriously as a sophomore and junior. As a senior, I was more laid back and the mocking was good-natured. I probably understood social dynamics a lot better as a senior. Maybe my social understanding developed a lot, Idk.

    I got hit by spitballs in school. Apple cores, too. The cores were hurled hard and they hurt. If I had caught the guy who threw them, I would have pounded him, fun or no.

    I had some cool friends as a senior in high school. They weren’t part of the in crowd, but still fun and well-liked generally. We skipped school to cruise the local drag, listening to country music.

    In college, my brother hit me in the back of the head with a roll in the cafeteria. I hurled it back at him. It was all just fun. (He was in a frat sitting with his frat bros. at a table in the cafeteria and I wasn’t in a frat at that school. I was sitting with my uncool friends. The frat that I had been in was a local frat at another school.)

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  88. theasdgamer says:

    It’s a term used to avoid the PC police for inner city types.

    Sooooo…gangster types?

    Ethnics, and ethnic wannabes.

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  89. Tarnished says:

    Ethnics?
    Everyone has an ethnicity, though… 😕
    Mine is German. What does one’s ethnicity have to do with anything?

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  90. theasdgamer says:

    Another euphemism. These groups tend to be lower class and have a high crime rate.

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  91. Tarnished says:

    So “white trash”.

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  92. Spawny Get says:

    It’s Friday evening here, isn’t it Friday where you are? Beautiful blue skies…Beer

    Nun videos to watch. You guys…what more do you want?

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  93. Tarnished says:

    A pony. 😛

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  94. Tarnished says:

    It’s Friday afternoon. I’m on lunch break. Working from 10-9 today, then playing some D&D Next/5th edition. 🙂

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  95. Spawny Get says:

    Couldn’t remember the name, but a Street Troll wasn’t it?

    Have fun, when you get the chance. It’s a beautiful evening here. Just an hour from sunset, with the late sun on the trees opposite.

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  96. Spawny Get says:

    I got a copy of that ‘Nun of that’ coming. But from Murica…slow…slow…slow…then I need to find my region 1 optical drive.

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  97. Tarnished says:

    Lol, he was my character from Shadowrun. My character in D&D is a Warforged Rogue named Toil…we’re doing the Eberron campaign setting, which is my favorite so yay!

    Ah, enjoy the evening, Spawny. Twilight is my preferred time of the day. Still light enough to do things, but not so glaringly bright that it hurts my eyes.

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  98. Cill says:

    “You’ve lost me, Gamer.”
    Any chance that this sentiment could become a refrain? 😀

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  99. Cill says:

    The bright, clear, cool days of Autumn and Winter are my favorite time of the year. The scents are exquisite. I can taste the cleanness. The sheep smell of lanolin, Horse of horse and Dog stinks when he comes out of the sea. The sea smells of salt and plankton-fart and weed. Love it! The cliffs smell of flung spume. The forest smells of clean green moss and ferns. Breath deeply… The sky smells of morning stars… (heh heh just kidding with that last sentence there)

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  100. Cill says:

    “plankton-fart” was poetic license as well. The smell of the sea actually comes from a gas produced by genes in ocean-dwelling bacteria. It plays a role in cloud formation over the ocean and helps some animals find food.

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  101. Spawny Get says:

    “helps some animals find food”?

    Other tracking methods exist

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  102. Spawny Get says:

    Feeding frenzy opportunity

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  103. Cill says:

    I remember the first time I heard an icecream van tune I said “Hey hear that? It’s a Mr Whippy! Can I buy some?”
    Dad said “Son, that’s the tune Mr Whippy plays when he’s run out of icecream.”

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  104. Cill says:

    Talking about elephants:

    LOL

    [Cill edit: I’ve changed the video to the earlier version I wanted]

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  105. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Bak at 3:37pm, yopu promised an elephant video. It was copyright protected.
    This will make up for that.

    Back to catching up on comments.

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  106. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, don’t miss the Nun videos.

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  107. Spawny Get says:

    And Kung Fury

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  108. theasdgamer says:

    “You’ve lost me, Gamer.”
    Any chance that this sentiment could become a refrain?

    People are just so picky about wanting all the propositions laid out. Sheesh!

    I like the game, “Where is the missing enthymeme(s)?”

    XD

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  109. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    How undignified! For the elephant and the human.
    More elephant video needed.

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  110. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    For those that did not attend parochoal school, this is a mild exaggeration.

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  111. @ spawny egads, re the video, I cannot even imagine :/ mortifying (or it should be, if not that’s even worse!)

    Re Social media and teens, a mom I know w a daughter in high school said it this way: back when we were in school, if something bad or embarrassing happened, you could leave it behind at the end of the day, and it was soon forgotten (hopefully). Today it just continues via social media, the rumors, gossip, etc. more people hear about such incidents when shared via so ial media as well, not just those who were there in person.
    Not good…

    I am sure there would be peer pressure at the group homeschool too, but I think it would likely be a different crowd than general public s hook. I used to think homeschool was only for end of the world types or extremists, but have learned its a pretty diverse group but one thing in common: involved parents.

    I’m going to look into it..,

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  112. Cill says:

    Fuzzy the elephant at 10:16 pm is always good for a laugh. I like the way gives himself a hard-on early in the piece, then to be super cool he crosses his hind legs while he plays. See him nodding his head to the beat? lol

    I’d like to buy that elephant a beer (except brother blurkel would probably beat me to it).

    Blurkel would enjoy that clip I’m sure.

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  113. Also, even at the grade school level I was shocked to see some of what’s happening in today’s classrooms, and I don’t even live in an urban or high risk area. Thanks to “mainstreaming” kids with behavioral issues are sprinkled about a few to a class. Much of the teacher’s time is spent managing behavioral stuff. In 1st grade I would say 1/3 of the kids were not paying attention/were acting out, 1/3 were lost completely (what’s yellow??? What’s an “E?” What’s a number?…just way way behind) and 1/3 were struggling to somehow learn amidst all that mayhem.

    Re behavior, one day the teacher was writing the homework on the board as many of the class chanted “no more homework!” And pounded their desks. These were FIRST graders!!! Not high schoolers. Scary.

    I went to Punic school and there was never anything even close to that behavior. No way! Then again, everyone knew the principal had a paddle in his office, too!

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  114. Padawan says:

    “the freedom to just go out on a boat” (Liz said) (by Padawan, Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)

    Padawan is a Kiwi and very much male
    But he dallies not with the Kiwi female,
    With testosterone setting his blood on fire
    He boards his boat the Pacific Flier,
    She then leaps forward like an unleashed hound
    And skims the waves with a hissing sound,
    And at cruising speed with the roar left behind
    She’s quiet as the air inside a mine,
    And with stars ashine in the glass of the sea
    She soars through a phantom galaxy,
    He roars out songs to every star
    And lets them take him where the maidens are.

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  115. Spawny Get says:

    Did you go to Punic School during the Punic Wars, Bloom?
    Yikes, you’re considerably older than Yoda!

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punic_Wars

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  116. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I shouldn’t make fun of typos but, when you went to “Punic” school, it made me think of Hannibal teaching courses in massacring whole Roman armies for fun and profit.

    Cill,
    There must be some sort of affinity between that elepnant, Feter< and the pianist, Paul Baron. Check out hi8s youtube channel. There are more "Peter" videos.

    Gamer,
    It just has to be said. Please stop needling the girls. For me, they're more fun if you're friends with them.

    Spawny Get,
    I think that it's great that the "Are You Beach Body Ready?" campaign crossed the pond. I can't predict hoe American feminists will react. If they protest, they will only add to the campaign's effect.

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  117. Padawan says:

    Padawan to the sea that song he sung
    When this blog was new and young

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  118. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Padawan,
    Every day the blog is born anew.

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  119. Yoda says:

    Did you go to Punic School during the Punic Wars, Bloom?
    Yikes, you’re considerably older than Yoda!

    Perhaps time travel she did.

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  120. Padawan says:

    “Every day the blog is born anew”
    How true this is, Fuzzy,
    How true, how true.

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  121. Yoda says:

    Go to high school Moe did?

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  122. Padawan says:

    To high school Moe he did not go
    ‘Twas thought his mind would be too slow.

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  123. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    In Moe’s case, one day school would be at the beach and the next, on a mountaintop. Elevation would be irrelavent.

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  124. Yoda says:

    ‘Twas thought his mind would be too slow.

    But we know differently now, do we not?

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  125. Padawan says:

    His face says “Yes”, his club says “No”
    When you’re thinking of telling old Moe he’s slow

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  126. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, I started home school at age 2 and I just passed my grade 3 exams yesterday. Mrs Moehau Man (my learned old mum) presented me with a chunk of Kauri to whittle into a “Graduation Club”.

    “Be mindful”, she said, wagging her forefinger, “That there’s more to a Kauri Club than delivering blows.”

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  127. Moehau Man says:

    Might I add, Grade 3 in the rugged Coromandel is not the same as Grade 3 elsewhere, and bears no resemblance to those foreign university degrees. Mrs Moehau Man (my scornful old mum) calls them “degrees of curmudgeonry”

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  128. Yoda says:

    Moe,

    Home schooling good it would be?

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  129. Moehau Man says:

    “Moe, Home schooling good it would be?”

    Yes well, about Tarn’s “group homeschooling” comment…

    They will become more and more common in the future. Parents will want to protect their kids from the political correctness and anti-male crap of the SJW bosses. I can see like-minded parents coming together to educate their kids. Teach ’em some red pill, for example. This should be a bit of a blow to feminism. Good it should be.

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  130. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It is kind of embarrassing but, I have heard reports that literacy was higher before education was compulsory. I went searching for cooberation and came up empty. However, as it stands, education is woefully ineffecient and a whole lot more of bad things.

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  131. Punic! Who knew typos could reveal a whole other era! Good thing I didn’t do the other typo for public..rhymes with cubic! Eeek! I can only imagine the flack that may have gotten! 😀

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  132. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    You’re safe from that. We do tend to be more iniclined to being silly.It’s more fun.

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  133. Padawan says:

    .
    Bloom was in the Punic Wars (by Padawan, Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)

    Bloom’s makeup for Rome was of ultimate elegance,
    To sweet-charm the legs off of Hannibal’s Elephants

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  134. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    It worked. The elephants love you! Now, they wnt to come over to party.

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  135. Liz says:

    I’m really looking forward to being able to watch videos again…

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  136. theasdgamer says:

    Gamer,
    It just has to be said. Please stop needling the girls. For me, they’re more fun if you’re friends with them.

    Some of us men are going through difficulties. Testy, not needling girls. And Liz was being difficult and off-topic. Quit white-knighting for girls.

    I don’t care if ten people say that water isn’t wet, it’s still wet. I’ve said “Fuck you all” to groups before when they were all being stupid. Some groups have come around to agree with me eventually before. Not all. Hope this one has the good sense to do so.

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  137. theasdgamer says:

    Oh, the joke about enthymemes was aimed at myself. Not needling or testy.

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  138. Yoda says:


    “Pratt said she could not explain why women have higher rates of serious psychological distress. ‘As I’m sure you are aware, we see this in major depression as well, but I don’t know that anyone has ever come up with a definitive answer of why that is,’ she said.”

    Speculate she might.
    But the result she would like not.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/05/28/women-of-all-ages-more-likely-to-have-serious-mental-health-problems-than-men-report-says/

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  139. Spawny Get says:

    “Some of us men are going through difficulties. Testy”

    That’s a very fair point.

    I only tried to kick the mood back up when it started looking contagious.

    I only said things that were genuinely my point of view. (uniforms reducing the scope for status whoring…not eliminating)

    It’s all right to be pissed (which is why I didn’t attack yesterday), but that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to join in. Around here anyway.

    This tends to mirror my own feelings on things. I get pissed off reading what the latest femeroid crackpot has uttered, or latest, lamest mangina (Cameroid). I’ll blow off steam in a comment, or a post…but then I want to let it go because the dumb bitch is spoiling my life – and I won’t have that (if I have a choice). And more importantly; The very best, most effective, revenge on a femeroid is to:
    a) laugh at them
    b) make them aware that they are the ones outside the herd / majority view
    c) laugh at them
    d) make it crystal clear that you do not care what their views are
    e) do all the above while retaining an air of amused mastery…NEVER angry!!!

    I’m not saying that you can’t be testy, just that others may not choose to join in.

    And I do care about the long term tone of the blog, I just don’t mind if it has short term undulations. Running the blog is very low effort…it’s fun as a place to chat…both of those facts are great for me.

    I hope things improve, but I’m not in a position to help, I don’t think. I’d be more likely to sit her down and have an extremely vivid discussion of where things are headed for her and you. How you need things to change. And the fact that you have options too, and what some of them are. Get her to look to the future on her lonesome.

    But I am NOT a guru! Never claimed to be.

    Good luck, Gamer

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  140. Spawny Get says:

    “But the result she would like not.”

    Maybe it’s a male thing, maybe an INTJ thing, maybe both. But I have very little time for people going through life with their head up their arse. I have no issue that women have more feelings (FTR I prefer feminine women as partners in…stuff), but it’s another thing entirely to let their emotions run their life or yours. When I saw what marriage to my wife would be like (she became her mother, with her mother’s attitudes) that’s when I knew the marriage was over. She went from trusting me to attempting to manipulate me. I will not have a loose cannon that central in my life…it would have been lunacy. And I don’t believe in games that never can end, regardless of whether everyone gains from the games – it’s just ridiculous. If you call yourself an adult, you take responsibility for yourself, others can only help.

    Current society is determined to put emo-directed, chuckle-headed morons in charge…and I really think that society will probably burn before the sheeple wake up and put these lunatics in safe places where they can only harm themselves.

    I nearly commented on it yesterday, the EU is considering limiting caffeine intake. Just as they wanted to regulate the bendiness of bananas. To stop people calling UK chocolate…chocolate. etc etc

    The Polish chief shit-head has said that they will prevent the UK from changing it’s rules so that we don’t pay child support to foreigners in the UK when their children live abroad. We are paying child support for Polish children in poland just because daddy works here in a shit job requiring benefits to make it viable. While lowering wages for English people and denying them jobs. And our politicians are reduced to running round the EU begging other countries for the right to correct this fucking outrage. And Cameron was the best result we had on offer!!! You just cannot make this shit up.

    A (previously) proud nation, Poland (and others, but Poland came out and said it) is in effect aggressively begging and using the law to enforce its getting its pound of flesh.

    THAT’S THE FUCKING EU FOR YOU

    It’s all going to burn. Because it’s all run by thieves, idiots and ideologues. And the rest of us have the choice of jumping under the bus hoping to stall it out on the bodies…or…watching from the poolside. So, cheers, mine’s a beer and a bap.

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  141. Spawny Get says:

    Women have more psych problems IMHO because they seldom live in the real world. They live in SIW world. A world of careers and sex just like the men. Over the years the stress of this mounts. Sooner or later many resort to pills, depression or breakdown. And cats.

    And feminism is making it worse for women by demanding that they deny their own actual wishes in order to toe the feminist line that they are EXACTLY like men. By the time they wake up at the age of thirty – thirty five because their egg-alarm is now undeniable…it’s too fucking late for increasing numbers of them. Cue sperm-jacking, single mom and their spawn that make the next wave worse.

    Time for a beer.

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  142. Liz says:

    “I nearly commented on it yesterday, the EU is considering limiting caffeine intake. Just as they wanted to regulate the bendiness of bananas. To stop people calling UK chocolate…chocolate. etc etc

    The Polish chief shit-head has said that they will prevent the UK from changing it’s rules so that we don’t pay child support to foreigners in the UK when their children live abroad. We are paying child support for Polish children in poland just because daddy works here in a shit job requiring benefits to make it viable. While lowering wages for English people and denying them jobs. And our politicians are reduced to running round the EU begging other countries for the right to correct this fucking outrage. And Cameron was the best result we had on offer!!! You just cannot make this shit up.”

    Dear God. I’m sorry Swithy.
    Wow. Just wow. At least you kept your own currency and didn’t go to eurodollars. 😦

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  143. Spawny Get says:

    *hic* cheers Liz *hic*

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  144. theasdgamer says:

    Spawny, Mrs. Gamer wasn’t my main problem last night. A broad who has lied to me and stood me up for a dance date left a sour note at the end of my evening dancing last night. I had been avoiding her all night. She approached me from thirty feet away, smiling broadly, and came up and asked me to dance. Big dramatic move. I was sitting when she started to approach, then stood up. I merely looked at her for a few seconds. She repeated her question. I continued looking. She said, “So you don’t want to dance with me?” I barely shook my head in the negative. She was backing away slowly with her head lowered once she realized that I was going to refuse. There was a bit of an audience.

    My mood tanked.

    She went over to get solace from her boy toy.

    I left a couple of minutes after my mood tanked.

    This broad had been observing me with her peripheral vision (you can tell because there’s a brief cessation in speech and normal movement of the facial muscles. It’s like the face freezes briefly). I had hoped that she would ignore me if she wasn’t going to try to repair the relationship, but my hope was in vain.

    The mood stayed with me, but my sleep was only interrupted for a short while and I got a good night’s sleep.

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  145. theasdgamer says:

    They live in SIW world.

    Leave us not vergessen the world of emotions, where women live In the moment ™.

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  146. Liz says:

    “Clinton pleads for donations after Clinton Cash chases donors away”

    That is a GREAT Onion headline! Lol!
    Oh, wait….it’s not the Onion.

    (Side note to Hillary campaign managers: when sitting on $2.5 billion of campaign contributions with a very rich candidate who routinely charges $250,000 to give a vapid speech, you might not want to put the emphasis on money as an evil in campaigns)

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  147. theasdgamer says:

    I have been trying to finger out what my sour mood was–a weird kind of passion. Pretty focused, with some staying power. The mood lingers. That fingers. Enough zingers.

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  148. Terrance Popp… I know I should be offended but… I’m not. Good stuff.

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  149. Spawny Get says:

    I doubt you’ve ever heard of the plane, but you should have done. Lots of period planes of the age.

    There’s a bit, just after the 9:00 mark, that shows that shows like Thunderbirds and UFO had concepts not that different to what the real guys were thinking of at about the same time (late fifties / early sixties).

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  150. theasdgamer says:

    Alana, what did you like about my comment at 3:37 pm?

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  151. Cill says:

    ” *hic* cheers Liz *hic* ”

    Spawny bro, I would join you in bending the elbow, mate, ‘cept here the sun hath yet to go over the yardarm (’tis not yet 7 a.m.) *hic* 😀

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  152. Spawny Get says:

    Might be an empathy thing, Gamer. Maybe shared experiences…maybe a thumbs up for getting a good night’s sleep as a positive thing for today.

    Maybe it’s just part of the ‘not hating on gamer’ thing going on?

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  153. Spawny Get says:

    You need to lower the yard arm then. Joking…7am is a little previous…unless you’re tailing off of a late night.

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  154. Cill says:

    Gamer you’re ok bro. My comment at you was intended to be humorous. Look deeply into my eye. See? I’m bursting with vivacity. Mwaha
    .
    .
    XD

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  155. Farm Boy says:

    Apparently Marco Rubio is a bad Catholic. Here is why,

    I thoroughly disagree (with Rubio’s opposition to gay marriage), being raised in a Catholic family, raising a Catholic family, mainstream Catholic – well, the Baltimore catechism, to get back to our hometown of Baltimore, was what we were raised on. And I think that this statement by Senator Rubio is most unfortunate. , suggests Popette Nancy Pelosi.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/29/nancy-pelosi-paints-mark-rubio-as-a-bad-catholic/

    Just with Sulkowicz, they are not even trying to have it make sense.

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  156. Spawny Get says:

    It suggests that she suffers from Word Salad. I trust you haven’t given her an important job? That would be a daft thing to do.

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  157. Farm Boy says:

    They eat their own,

    When I first heard that students at my university had staged a protest over an essay I’d written in The Chronicle Review about sexual politics on campus — and that they were carrying mattresses and pillows — I was a bit nonplussed. For one thing, mattresses had become a symbol of student-on-student sexual-assault allegations, and I’d been writing about the new consensual-relations codes governing professor-student dating. Also, I’d been writing as a feminist. And I hadn’t sexually assaulted anyone. The whole thing seemed symbolically incoherent.

    According to our campus newspaper, the mattress-carriers were marching to the university president’s office with a petition demanding “a swift, official condemnation” of my article. One student said she’d had a “very visceral reaction” to the essay; another called it “terrifying.” I’d argued that the new codes infantilized students while vastly increasing the power of university administrators over all our lives, and here were students demanding to be protected by university higher-ups from the affront of someone’s ideas, which seemed to prove my point.

    The president announced that he’d consider the petition.

    Still, I assumed that academic freedom would prevail. I also sensed the students weren’t going to come off well in the court of public opinion, which proved to be the case; mocking tweets were soon pouring in. Marching against a published article wasn’t a good optic — it smacked of book burning, something Americans generally oppose. Indeed, I was getting a lot of love on social media from all ends of the political spectrum, though one of the anti-PC brigade did suggest that, as a leftist, I should realize these students were my own evil spawn.

    Things seemed less amusing when I received an email from my university’s Title IX coordinator informing me that two students had filed Title IX complaints against me on the basis of the essay and “subsequent public statements” (which turned out to be a tweet), and that the university would retain an outside investigator to handle the complaints.

    I stared at the email, which was under-explanatory in the extreme. I was being charged with retaliation, it said, though it failed to explain how an essay that mentioned no one by name could be construed as retaliatory, or how a publication fell under the province of Title IX, which, as I understood it, dealt with sexual misconduct and gender discrimination.

    http://m.chronicle.com/article/My-Title-IX-Inquisition/230489/

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  158. Padawan says:

    Nancy Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi,
    You looked like a pouff when you sat on your posey

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  159. Spawny Get says:

    “one of the anti-PC brigade did suggest that, as a leftist, I should realize these students were my own evil spawn.”

    Yep. Suck on it. For a couple of reasons:
    1) the number of men destroyed or disadvantaged by your hateful ideology. That you didn’t care about, because ‘men’. What’s sauce for the gander is flipping delicious on a goose.
    2) until women are getting hurt, there will be no winding back of said hateful ideology. Just consider it taking one for the team. That team being society.

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  160. Asdgamer “Alana, what did you like about my comment at 3:37 pm?”

    Hmm one thing I liked was how u firmly but classily rejected the dance request of the woman who had lied to u and stood u up. I also liked that u didn’t let her spoil your sleep much. 🙂 I think it’s impt to let pple know if their behaviour is unacceptable, but to stay calm and dignified in the process…and it’s not always easy.

    Btw just a general comment, sometimes if I click ‘like’ on a comment, it doesn’t mean I agree/like 100% of what was said, I may like 80% of the comment..hell, I may just Really like 10% of the comment, lol.

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  161. Cill says:

    “my own evil spawn[y]”

    Was this accusation aimed at you by any chance, me old mate?

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  162. Spawny Get says:

    “it doesn’t mean I agree/like 100% of what was said, I may like 80% of the comment..hell, I may just Really like 10% of the comment, lol.”

    me 2

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  163. Padawan has been outdoing himself, especially with “The freedom to just go out on a boat”. 🙂

    I have even stopped laughing at the “Padawan– Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)” part. XD

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  164. Spawny Get says:

    one endeavors to rise above the lamentation of such women

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  165. Farm Boy says:

    Presidential material?

    “A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy,” wrote Sanders. “A woman on her knees. A woman tied up. A woman abused.”

    Sanders didn’t specify as to how he had gained such a deep understanding of the male psyche.

    In terms of his understanding of female sexual fantasies, Sanders provided similar insight.

    “A woman enjoys intercourse with her man–as she fantasizes about being raped by 3 men simultaneously.”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-1972-men-fantasize-about-abusing-women-women-fantasize-about-being-raped/

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  166. Farm Boy says:

    I suppose that we all need more education

    Sitting with Jody Herman and Adam Romero before moderating them in a panel discussion on the importance of expanding data collection about the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community, Herman said something that was at once disturbing and hilarious. “Straight people don’t know they are straight,” she said…

    “Research regarding survey questions about sexual orientation identity show that not everyone understands the terms presented, sometimes because of differing language/cultural terms and norms about sexual identity,” Herman told me later via e-mail. “Ilan Meyer, our colleague at Williams, tested a sexual orientation question to identify LGB people in the general population and he stated that most heterosexual people selected the heterosexual or straight option, but for those that didn’t, the most common response was to write in ‘Normal.’ ”

    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/30/some-straight-people-dont-know-that-theyre-straight/

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  167. Spawny Get says:

    I’ve seen some lesbian porn made by women, for women (no men present)… XD
    The beauty of it being that I guaranteed can’t be called a misogynist

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  168. Spawny Get says:

    “the most common response was to write in ‘Normal.’ ”

    OUCH! That has to hurt

    stone the blasphemer

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  169. Spawny Get says:

    Glad they tried. Shows balls.

    Glad the standards (are claimed) not to have been lowered.

    Doubt that mixed frontline units is a great idea (in the interests of women or men), though I’ll bow to the opinions of those better acquainted with the realities. I mean there’s Popp and…errm…someone closer.

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  170. Padawan says:

    Moe at 4:27 am his voice he lost he did
    Sun over the yardarm it must have slid

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  171. Cill says:

    ‘I have even stopped laughing at the “Padawan– Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)” part’
    Why, that’s very Christian of you, Alana.
    I’m not sure, however, that the poet is deserving of such forgiveness. 😉

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  172. Spawny Get says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/29/british-orthodox-jewish-sect-bans-women-from-driving/

    The British leaders of a major Jewish orthodox community have declared that women should not be allowed to drive. They have warned that, from August, children whose mother’s drive them to a community school will face expulsion.

    In a letter sent out last week, rabbis from the Belz community, described as a “sect” by the Jewish Chronicle, said that women being allowed to drive goes against “the traditional rules of modesty in our camp”, and that it was against the norms of Chasidic orthodoxy.

    According to the letter, which was signed by leaders from Belz educational establishments with the endorsement of rabbis, there have been increased incidents of “mothers of pupils who have started to drive,” leading to “great resentment among parents of pupils of our institutions”.

    As the ruling became public knowledge, members of the local Belz’s women’s organisation Neshei Belz issued a statement attesting that they felt “extremely privileged and valued to be part of a community where the highest standards of refinement, morality and dignity are respected.

    “We believe that driving a vehicle is a high pressured activity where our values may be compromised by exposure to selfishness, road-rage, bad language and other inappropriate behaviour.”

    A Stamford Hill rabbi said that it had “always been regarded in Chasidic circles as not the done thing for a lady to drive”.

    Thank the lord for popcorn and beer.

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  173. Cill says:

    A new, verbose, and outstandingly learned new post is up.

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