Not Tonight, Dear, You Have A Headache!


In the movie Annie Hall, Woody Allen presents a scene which has to still be one which resonates with the vast majority of viewers. Both main characters are visiting therapists, and both therapists ask about the frequency of sex in the relationship. Alvy Singer: [lamenting] “Hardly ever. Maybe three times a week.” Annie Hall: [annoyed] “Constantly. I’d say three times a week.”

Everyone has not only heard that joke, but lived it. That is why it worked so well.

It turns out that there is something factual in this observation in real life. Therapists insist that “the majority of Americans in their 30s and 40s want to have sex with their partner two to three times per week” [Dr. Eric Grasser] while others claim that once a week is plenty, provided it’s orgasmic [Arianne Cohen, author of The Sex Diary Project: What We’re Saying About What We’re Doing]

It doesn’t stop there. Marriage and family therapist Sharon Gilchrest O’Neill claims, “In our 30s, we might generally expect a desire of (having sex) more than once a month.” Note that she uses the term “desire” and not the term “actually having” in her comment.

On the other hand, female newlyweds -asked about the frequency of their sex lives, responded with “Doing it once a week is a good week for us” and “I think I’m happy if we hit the twice-a-month mark” and “It’s been at least two months since we’ve done the deed.”

Is it any wonder why such women might eventually complain that their men aren’t interested in them anymore? This is much more likely once he’s done his genetic duty and made her a mother. A cursory search of the Internet turned up three examples of mothers talking about the importance of their children relative to their husbands. Two put their children first:

I Love My Daughter More Than My Husband—And He Knows It

If I have to choose between you or one of the kids, you will lose every time [Link via jf13]

The third is the only one who appears to have put any thought into her relationship with the father of her children:

Why My Husband Will Always Come Before My Kids

“…this goes against the golden rule of motherhood, the one that tells us being a good parent means sacrificing all for the happiness and well-being of our children.

“But I view my investment in my relationship with my spouse as one that is beneficial to our family as a whole. Prioritizing my husband’s needs decreases our chances of getting divorced; it also increases the probability that our children will remain in a two-parent home. In a few years, our son and daughter will leave our home and when they do, I want to celebrate a job well done with my lover — not sit in a quiet house with a person who has become a stranger as a result of years of quietly drifting apart.”

She doesn’t say, but I believe it’s safe to assume that among her husband’s needs is sex.

Dr. Teesha Morgan, Vancouver-based Sex Therapist and Couples Counselor, stated that women view sex as something they do for someone else. Motherhood is one such activity by definition. It’s thus no wonder that mothers deem sex with their husbands as just another imposition upon them, one he’s supposed to understand when he’s rebuffed.

Samantha Rodman PhD reveals that the women she counsels tend to complain that “I’m having sex with my husband X times per week (usually this is 1-3) and he’s STILL not happy.” When Dr. Rodman asks if the sex is enjoyable, the response tends to be “Yeah, sometimes.”

Dr. Rodman examines the causes and effects of this, and comes up with what I believe is a rational set of conclusions:

* 1. The woman wants to have sex probably once every 1-2 weeks, particularly within ‘monotogamy.’ [In other words, no surprises. Same Ol’ Vanilla Sex.]
* 2. When this schedule happens, the woman actually has a chance to miss sex, think about sex, and desire sex.
* 3. Thus, the sex is enjoyable! For her.

However…

* 4. The man finishes too quickly because he hasn’t had sex in a week or more, and he may also feel resentful, because…
* 5. The man wants to have sex 2-14 times a week. (I said “wants,” not what would be practical.)
* 6. Thus, the man thinks, “What is the big deal for her? Sex takes about 20 minutes max, and even if she doesn’t enjoy it at first, she could get into it, and then we would all be happy.”
* 7. Yet, the man must admit that, generally, sex at his desired frequency is not that great because it is fairly obvious that his wife is dissociating and wishing it was over.
[emphasis mine]

Lastly, Dr. Rodman points out that some women think “What is the big deal for him to either masturbate the other X times per week that he wants sex, or just wait? It’s so much better when I don’t feel pressured.” This of course misses entirely the reason why men remain monogamous. They want sexual and emotional connection to one woman who doesn’t make them resort to Game and other dating practices only to get mediocre sex – IF he gets anywhere with a different woman.

In addition, some women feel that ANY sexual activity which doesn’t involve them -no matter how uninterested they themselves might be- constitutes cheating. If these women cared about their men, they would figure out some way to accommodate his sexual and emotional needs. Such was the case with the mother above who put her husband first, so we know that it CAN be done.

It’s my opinion that why too many women do not put husbands first begins with the ubiquitous maternal edicts while growing up. Every girl hears her mother say “All he wants is sex” followed by the thunderous oration of “THOU SHALT NOT!” and “GOOD GIRLS DON”T – EVER” to the point it haunts them. This was admitted by the author of an article I ran across: “To be honest, my mother, still very much alive, assumes a ghostly, accusatory form and haunts my desk whenever I start to describe, say, giving a blow job…” It is a common enough occurrence that many therapists admit that such admonitions remain effective long past the wedding. One religion writer even wonders: “Has anyone done a study to see how many Mormon men, who are addicted to pornography, are married to angelic women who have no sexual desire?” This would reveal that religion also plays a role in inhibiting female sexual expression. As this last author asks, “Could it be that our insistence on talking about male desire and female purity is leading to problems for married couples who do not know how to negotiate an equal sexual interaction?” I say yes.

But women do little-to-nothing about this themselves, and don’t cooperate with the efforts of their men. As Virginia A. Sadock, MD, director of the program in human sexuality at New York University Langone Medical Center, states: “Women can cheat themselves out of good sex because they don’t take responsibility for their own feelings, both physically and emotionally.” On the other hand, French ELLE writer Sophie Fontanel posits that “I’ve noticed that many other women believe they have to lie and act as if their sex life is so rewarding when that’s simply not the case—in actuality they are bored or unfulfilled.” She goes on to present a case for abstinence as the basis of a good life, rather than suggest that this boredom and lack of sexual fulfilment is due to an incredibly passive approach to sex.

This attitude is hardly uncommon: “…we haven’t had sex since the beginning of 2008….The truth is, I couldn’t be happier about our situation…” The best riposte to this canard comes from post commenter Larry Shisler: “‘I’m happy with the arrangement too!’ said no straight guy ever.”

For many women, there is a belief that “If you have one, he will come”, yet Having A Vagina Doesn’t Mean Men Are Going To Drop At Your Feet. While the article doesn’t cover exactly the topic I was intending, its title says it all as bluntly as I intend.

There are even some who express hostility that women ever put a man before other women in her life. One such is “life coach” Iyanla Vanzant, who declared on her TV show: “That breaks my heart that as women, you let a penis penetrate your friendship.” Again, the best retort comes from commenter tom11zz884: “…she puts the blame on the ‘Penis’ for ruining the relationship, when in fact their “Vaginas” wasn’t [sic] exactly turning down the ‘Penis’….lol”

It is from such hostile feminine attitudes that MGTOW evolved in response. UK counsellor Andrea Blundell revealed some of her conclusions counselling men about relationship issues. Among her findings were:

* Men are angry because they feel trapped by [female] expectations of how the ‘ideal’ man should behave.

* Men are acutely aware of what our idea of a perfect man is and know how much we judge them if they aren’t one.

She concludes: “I’ve realised my chemistry is hard-wired to the idea that men are strong saviours and my new ability to understand they aren’t has left me somewhere I never expected to be — uninterested. I don’t need someone to save me — I am strong enough now to tackle life on my own.”

In this, she follows the advice of the oldest living woman in Scotland, Centenarian Jessie Gallan. At age 109, she insists that the secret to her longevity is to eat your porridge and avoid men.

And Ms Blundell has many other young women joining her in not wanting or needing men, not even to make them mothers. Reporter Mary Mcconnell found women as young as 18 are resorting to sperm donors online as they give up the hunt for Mr Right. And, in the ultimate feminist wet dream, Science will soon be able to produce viable embryos from the cells of two women, which would completely eliminate the need for male participation in reproduction. That should make the likes of Miss Gallan, and Iyanla Vanzant, and Andrea Blundell very happy.

In the mean time, those women seeking cuddling can “buy one of those huge body pillows and name it James and call it a day”, similar to something Yoda discovered: “a disturbing trend for disaffected young men to fall in love with a pillow printed with their favorite anime character and announce the pillow is their girlfriend.”

Gee, in light of all I presented here today, why would ANY man EVER consider taking such a radical step?

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93 comments on “Not Tonight, Dear, You Have A Headache!
  1. theasdgamer says:

    This is much more likely once he’s done his genetic duty and made her a mother

    What percentage of women married when they were already baby mommies?

    [Sounds like a great topic for a post. Have at it!]

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  2. theasdgamer says:

    Nice, logical argument. Unfortunately, it wall fall on distaff deaf ears. Because they don’t think about sex logically.

    [Not worried about reaching women. This is for the men who suspect something but can’t figure out what that is.]

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  3. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Piicture a bear shaking his head.
    Stuff like this will escalate to where it is in Japan. Forty five percent of women not interested and twenty eight percent of men.

    [You could be correct, Fuzzie. I suspect, however, that the male numbers will be larger due to the economic collapse of the American male relative to everyone else. One can’t have what one can’t afford no matter how much one might want it.]

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  4. “Women…don’t take responsibility for their own feelings, both physically and emotionally.”

    Finally! A wise woman.

    [We know at least two regulars here are wise: Tarn and Liz. No disrepect intended toward any others who qualify just because I didn’t mention them.]

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  5. Liz says:

    To be honest, I can’t imagine my parents having sex.
    If I did, I wouldn’t be horny for a month, at least….so I’m not sure how important the one aspect is (the maternal edicts bit). Maybe I’m unusual and sort of “rose above” it. But I’d never discuss something like a blow job with my mom, and I know for sure she thinks that’s something only a depraved person would do. Found that out when Clinton was president.

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  6. Liz says:

    I really do think it has more to do with habit and expectations. My husband told me at the very beginning “this is something I’m going to want a lot” and made it pretty clear if I wasn’t on board it wasn’t going to work. I adjusted (I can’t imagine, for instance, the natural family planning method without oral sex…do those people NEVER do the deed?There’s a lot of down-time with that one).

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  7. Liz says:

    It’s really ironic women will go through so much trouble and expend so much energy worrying about/talking about their “relationship” when the absolute best thing they could do is sex up their husbands, really really well. I guaran-damn-tee if they sex up their husbands a lot both they and their men will get along much much better. A well-sexed man is a happy, content man. But instead they bitch and spend money on therapy. They’re just not very smart.

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  8. Tarnished says:

    Two items jumped out when I read this (well, two major ones since I’m on break):

    1.I don’t need someone to save me — I am strong enough now to tackle life on my own.
    Yeah…so? Perhaps I’m showing my naivete again, but I wasn’t aware modern relationships were about “saving” anyone. Aren’t they more geared towards companionship, common beliefs and hobbies, a desire to share sex, love, and life? I certainly don’t need “saving” either, but that doesn’t mean I am going to turn down all (romantic) contact with the opposite sex.

    2.Dr. Teesha Morgan, Vancouver-based Sex Therapist and Couples Counselor, stated that women view sex as something they do for someone else.
    This is a huge problem. Not only is it so well known that it is the brunt of many a joke, but far more worryingly, it is *accepted*. Sex is not meant to be a transactional activity. It is two (or sometimes more) people coming together to share a close sexual and/or sensual experience. If women truly see it as a chore…a duty…a tool…then of course they won’t be eager to actively engage in it, or initiate. Question is *why* do they view it as such? Do they get no pleasure out of it, and thus it actually is a chore because there’s no motivation to have sex? Or do they have orgasms yet are still somehow removed from the experience?

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  9. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    Do they get no pleasure out of it, and thus it actually is a chore because there’s no motivation to have sex?

    Imagine if you were asked by a brother to have sex. The husband/bf feels emotionally like a brother to wives/gf’s. This is how it has been expressed. The husband/bf just doesn’t provide tingles anymore. He has failed too many 5h1t-tests.

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  10. theasdgamer says:

    But instead they bitch and spend money on therapy. They’re just not very smart.

    IDK. Is the therapist a situational alpha? Does he provide tingles?

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  11. Liz says:

    Tarn: “If women truly see it as a chore…a duty…a tool…then of course they won’t be eager to actively engage in it, or initiate. Question is *why* do they view it as such? Do they get no pleasure out of it, and thus it actually is a chore because there’s no motivation to have sex? Or do they have orgasms yet are still somehow removed from the experience?”

    I think what typically happens is the male libido is just higher than the woman’s (most of the time…not true for you, Tarn, from what you’ve indicated your libido is pretty healthy). 🙂

    I don’t think it has so much to do with orgasms, typically. I mean, orgasms are great but I probably have one every second or third time, it’s not everything. It’s been proven that women are happier and hornier and more ‘into’ their partners when they’re having frequent sex, but there’s some bug in their programming that makes them forget this when they stop having it frequently.

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  12. Liz says:

    Or…as Gamer mentions, they’re just not that into their spouse.

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  13. Liz says:

    “Is the therapist a situational alpha? Does he provide tingles?”

    I don’t think so. I think it’s more a validational-drama type racket.
    The therapist is more the equivalent of their chick coffee clutch. She wants validation that she’s “right” and “the good person” and that her partner is the problem. Typically, the paid therapist provides it (and the marriage goes further and further south…I think marriage therapists have some of the highest divorce rates, ironically enough. Or perhaps not so ironically. Overtalking never really helps matters).

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  14. Tarnished says:

    Liz,
    (most of the time…not true for you, Tarn, from what you’ve indicated your libido is pretty healthy).

    But…isn’t yours the same? 😕 You get to have sex at least once a day. I’d be tempted to kill for such an arrangement!

    I mean, orgasms are great but I probably have one every second or third time, it’s not everything.

    Really? Then what drives you to desire sex? For me, the closeness and emotional is fantastic…please don’t get me wrong!…but I wouldn’t be *nearly* as nympho as I am if I wasn’t going to have an orgasm every time. I’m fine with just giving every once in a while if he’s having a rough day, but even after that I’ll have to *ahem* take care of myself later to relieve the discomfort.

    Asdgamer,
    Okay, yeah. That makes sense. So in other words the husband gets put in the friendzone.

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  15. Liz says:

    “But…isn’t yours the same? 😕 You get to have sex at least once a day. I’d be tempted to kill for such an arrangement!”

    Lol Tarn. 🙂 I love sex with Mike, but my libido wants sex about every other day, not every single day…and never more than once in a day. Also, my orgasms (sorry for the TMI people) are so, so much more intense when I take breaks.
    Really, really good after a few days off. I like the bonding, and closeness, and making him happy makes me happy, and the chemicals in sperm also seem to help me sleep and keep my emotions in check (that with the really good orgasms I have from time to time).

    This is how I got extremely good at giving head (that and our natural family planning birth control method at the beginning). He wanted sex more, so I adapted. Like I said, making him happy makes me happy. I feel very very squee when he is pleased. And of course, he likes pleasing me too…and is very good at it. 😉

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  16. Tarnished says:

    Huh. And here I’ve been thinking “well, I can’t be that much of a sex addict…Liz is the same as me, and there must surely be lots of others”. This is what I get for making presumptions. 😉

    But hey, I’m really glad you two have created something that works for you as individuals and as a couple. Cheers! 🍺🍺🍺

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  17. theasdgamer says:

    I don’t think it has so much to do with orgasms, typically. I mean, orgasms are great but I probably have one every second or third time, it’s not everything.

    Orgasms happen because of the libido. The libido is independent of orgasms.

    Women’s libido is typically responsive to men’s libido. Women’s libido can also get very high around high-status males (drummers in popular musical groups, politicians, sports figures) independent of a man’s libido or when influenced by other women’s libido (think of male strippers in a club or at a women’s gathering).

    Also, my orgasms (sorry for the TMI people) are so, so much more intense when I take breaks.

    Me too. My libido needs a break from time to time. Two-a-days are rough on me. But when Mrs. Gamer issues a challenge….

    I was very jerky last night. Mrs. Gamer was in bed going to sleep. I kept going in and deliberately messing with her briefly, then leaving the room, about every five to ten minutes for about 45 minutes. It was around 11:30 when I started doing this. She eventually got out of bed when I pulled her and we danced in the bedroom for a bit and chatted before…. She liked the jerkiness and irreverence for her sleep and change of pace and my IDGAF attitude. She didn’t have to work today.

    The male squirrel kept baiting the female squirrel to give chase.

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  18. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz and Trn,
    I think you two have healthy libdoes. To add to that, from what you are saying in the comments rells me that neither of you are making sex transactional. It must be some kind of cultural subtext that does make it transactional. Not good.
    From my standpoint, I am looking at this as blatant fraud, deliberate or not. What makes it worse is that I can’t think of a way to screen for this and, so, avoid it.

    Tarn,
    I think you hit a home run when you said that wives are friendzoning their own husbands.

    Liz,
    I think when Mike talked about what he wanted, it set the tone for the rest of your lives.

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  19. theasdgamer says:

    When I say “messing with her”, I wasn’t saying anything. Briefly kissing, caressing, moving into the kiss zone but not kissing, moving her hair around her ears, nibbling on her lobes, etc. She kept asking me what I was doing and I never said anything.

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  20. SFC Ton says:

    “Not tonight dear, I have a headache”
    “Does your ass hurt too?”

    Next evening
    “Here is some aspirin”
    “I do not have a headache”
    “Good, let’s fuck”

    Whatever modern relationships are about is an utter failure @ the macro level.

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  21. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Respect to Ton, but I’m done. Absent major shift, my libido’s fallen and I don’t need to play this stupid game anymore. I’m out until the fish are worth catching again. Have fun in the mean time.

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  22. Yoda says:

    Trigger warnings there were not

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  23. Yoda says:

    To be honest, I can’t imagine my parents having sex.

    A poor iNtuitive you are.
    Imagine a real event you can not?

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  24. Yoda says:

    It’s really ironic women will go through so much trouble and expend so much energy worrying about/talking about their “relationship” when the absolute best thing they could do is sex up their husbands, really really well

    Continue thread we need not.

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  25. blurkel says:

    @Liz

    If I had the time, I could take your comments and make a whole other post. You continue to amaze me with your wise observations.

    To answer your comment to me in the last post, yes I have grandkids.

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  26. Liz says:

    Thanks blurkel. 🙂

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  27. SFC Ton says:

    I can respect that CP. If my brother was still alive it’s unlikely I would be pursing the whole family formation thing a second time all though the Girls are crazy into me… or crazy and into me or into me because they are crazy… but they’re all crazy….

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  28. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Have fun Ton, I mean it. Eyes on God, but in the mean time, have fun.

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  29. missattempts says:

    Some of these couples ARE having sex outside of marriage-even with their
    own children. Tarn didn’t want that, but that didn’t stop her dad.
    Boys with moms and siblings. It’s not so rare now, and not risky because of
    birth control. Human trafficking. You can buy a “trained” child.
    People get they’re bliss where ever they can. Not me however. Rants of An Incel
    and myself, are the only two people on earth who can’t get sex.

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  30. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Blurkel,
    Previously, I linked a video by Turd Flinging Monkey on youtube. In it, he puts forth the theory of how society goes from patriarchy to gynocentrism. While he couldn’t find any events, he had to conclude that, under normal peacetime circumstances, populations will go to parity between the sexes. This will advantage women enough to demand gynocentrism. To make it go the other way, a severe die off of young men, usually through war, would increase male scarcity toe where they have the upper social hand.
    His suggestion for modern times was to wait for atificial wombs.
    My thought is to find some way to balance demand using what we have at hand.
    This is the video

    The reason all of this is going on is because women see men as optional and disposable. That attitude is supported by the perception that men are easily replaceable.
    A massive die off wouldn’t be needed. Just enough guys saying “Enough with this nonsense!”. We may already be there but, the shock hasn’t hit the marketplace.

    [I don’t know if scarcity would do anything more than abate the normal reticence of women to share men. Think shows like Sister Wives and My Five Wives as examples. I once had a history teacher express the idea that women should be sent to war, as once they are pregnant, they are out of the production schedule. He defended this by stating that only one bull can knock up an entire herd of cows, so send the cows to the abattoir.]

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  31. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Missattempts,
    Somewhere else,I got piled on for saying this but, it has to be put out out there. If you believe in the 80/20 rule, only the top twenty percent of men will be well sered in this sexual marketplace. Personally,I think that it is closer to 95/5. While you and “Rants” know that you are being passed over, there are a lot of men that are just baffled by the SMP. Hypergamy has a price and, these men are paying it.

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  32. Yoda says:

    The reason all of this is going on is because women see men as optional and disposable.

    Only because of artificial circumstances this is.
    Artificial is artificial it would be.

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  33. Yoda says:

    I got piled on for saying this

    Difficult to picture this with respect to a bear it is.

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  34. Yoda says:

    She concludes: “I’ve realised my chemistry is hard-wired to the idea that men are strong saviours and my new ability to understand they aren’t has left me somewhere I never expected to be — uninterested. I don’t need someone to save me — I am strong enough now to tackle life on my own.”

    Strong she is.
    But only because the Gubmint behind her it would be.

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  35. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    It was close to the end of my time at J4G. I wasn’t clear enough in stating that the bottom eighty percent of men were underserved and not completely cut off, applying the 80/20 ruleor Pareto Principle.

    Missattempts,
    This is on a specturm. It is not that eighty percent of men get notheing while twenty percent have it all. It is that the top twenty percent get eighty percent of the action, leaveing twenty percent of the action to the bottom eighty percent of men.

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  36. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    I don’t know where that quote came from but, the youtuber that I previously referred to, checked out every country that extend the right to vote to women. Welfare for single mommies followed closely. They voted in a “glass floor” for themselves.

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  37. Farm Boy says:

    They voted in a “glass floor” for themselves.

    This is really not a glass floor. They can not see what is underneath it. It is really a cast iron floor that they absolutely can not pass.

    This, of course, frees them from needing to attend to the wishes of individual men. I wonder how valuable this is to them…

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  38. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    That women would acheive independence by these means is an illusion. They are still dependent on taxes from men. That they have jobs is another illusion. How many of them are “make work”?

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  39. Spawny Get says:

    “How many of them are “make work”?”

    oh what a good question. A good majority, a great majority.

    The bit specifically relevant to your point, Fuzzie, starts at 31:15.

    But the whole show is a revelation!

    If you want more from Rich Zubaty – http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/zubaty.html

    If you want more from Sue Hindmarsh – http://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Hindmarsh,Suzanne/miscwomen.html

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  40. Liz says:

    Mike told me yesterday there was a married pilot who uses Tinder and screws around quite a lot.
    The guy explained he didn’t want to live like that, but said, “before you judge me, my wife hasn’t had sex with me in five years”. It’s pretty crazy how some of these people live.

    One guy has been living out of a trailer at his hub for two years and considers it to be a lifestyle improvement. His wife refuses to move, and they live way out so he’d spend two entire days getting to his hub and back and never had any rest. He did that for a decade and a half. I’ll bet he never has sex either. Hard to believe how bad some of these marriage situations are.

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  41. missattempts says:

    But Tarnished is OUR QUEEN! I think we can ALL AGREE ABOUT THAT!
    I just wish we knew her location, so she could be loaded down with gold.

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  42. Five years??? Wow.

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  43. Liz says:

    “Five years??? Wow.”

    Yeah.
    Some of the anecdotes my husband tells me about people when he comes home from these trips remind me of Mr Rochester in the novel Jane Eyre by Bronte.
    The guy who was trapped in a marriage to an insane person.

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  44. Liz says:

    That was one of my favorite ‘chick’ novels. Better than Austen’s work.
    I always felt kind of a kinship with Jane.

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  45. poseidon740 says:

    Blurkel, well-articulated post. I remember laughing to Woody Allen movies about 30 years ago. According to the post women are going their own was as men are. I wonder if current technology can really allow two female eggs to produce a fetus. I don’t like this!

    The human race is in trouble. Children need both a mother and father to mature well. But men and women are no longer compatible to be in long term relationships. Quite a quagmire

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  46. Crazy, for sure! I wonder why he doesn’t get divorced? Do they have kids?

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  47. Liz says:

    I don’t know, Bloom. I assume so.

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  48. Tarnished says:

    Poseidon,
    Yes we have the technology to do that, but the resulting fetus would only be female for obvious reasons.

    I don’t believe children necessarily need a mother and father, but I do believe they need 2 parents and a very strong extended family that lives with them and provides stable role models of the opposite sex. I have close acquaintances and regular customers who were raised by gay or lesbian parents, and they are some of the best people I know. Even the single dads* who shop at my store have very well behaved sons and daughters, and in our conversations they’ve stated that…while they’ll never remarry…they make sure that their kids spend time with aunts, uncles, grandparents, and trusted family friends so they get time with both male and female role models.

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  49. Yoda says:

    Mike told me yesterday there was a married pilot who uses Tinder and screws around quite a lot.
    The guy explained he didn’t want to live like that, but said, “before you judge me, my wife hasn’t had sex with me in five years”.

    Wife know of Tinder she does?

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  50. theasdgamer says:

    @ Liz

    Hard to believe how bad some of these marriage situations are.

    But if they are 1st time marriages, they go in the “successful” category of not having divorced.

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  51. theasdgamer says:

    Last night I was invited to play with a bachelorette party at my country dance bar. I had just finished dancing with a woman friend and she told me that somebody wanted to talk to me and pointed the woman out. I didn’t know the woman from Adam and the unknown woman immediately asked me if I was married. I said, “Yes.” I was thinking that this was odd–how did she know my name? Then she proceeded to invite me over to her table. The girls were doing a game involving picking cards for things like getting condoms, checking tightie whities, lap dances from men, dirty dancing with men, and booty contests where men’s booties were judged.

    It turns out that my selection was instigated by a hottie with whom I had danced. Blonde hair, Italian features, big doe eyes. Mmmm…mmm…good! I played a couple of their games. They invited a couple of other men for the booty contest, but I managed to be dancing when it occurred. The doe-eyed blonde had pulled the booty contest card and wanted me in it, heh. We had some chemistry and it was fun dancing together.

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  52. Yoda says:

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    Mad Max: Fury Road is not a good movie and the ecstasy with which the critics received it was dishonest. Tastes differ, of course, but I think in this case the critics are just lying for political reasons.

    “It’s enough to renew your faith in the movies,” said Ty Burr of the Boston Globe. Peter Travers at Rolling Stone urged us to overlook the fact the picture doesn’t make sense and “Just go with it.” He praised director George Miller (who also directed the terrific original Mad Max and its sequel) as an “indisputable visionary genius.” A.O. Scott of the New York Times said this: “It’s all great fun, and quite rousing as well — a large-scale genre movie that is at once unpretentious and unafraid to bring home a message…. It’s about revolution.”

    I believe they said these untrue things because this not-very-good movie is feminist.

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  53. SFC Ton says:

    It is beyond interesting to me that homosexuals and lesbians make up like 2% of the population yet people always seem to know these wonderful kids who grew up in one of those homes

    The math doesn’t add up

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  54. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    I am surprised that you don’t have more stories to tell. You and Mike have to know a lot of people.
    I can see hoa these guys are trapped in their marriages. Between losing all the property, paying alimony and child support, and setting up a new home, these guys cannot afford to divorce. This is slavery.
    Can’t argue with Gamer on this one, these will be looked at statisically as successful marriages.

    I ran across another story of abuse afew months ago. She wouldn’t let him in the house except to sleep. They’re divorced now, thankfully.

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  55. From the comments…
    HuhneToTheSlammer Old Goat
    6 hours ago
    The Church of Scotland has long been more left wing than the C of E. We have completely done away with the original liturgy, and instead have (several) banal modern versions. And as for Hymns Old and New, words fail me.
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    Golfimbul77 HuhneToTheSlammer
    4 hours ago
    Have they got around to Jesus death being a “work place” accident yet.
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    HuhneToTheSlammer Golfimbul77
    3 hours ago
    ROFLMAO – but it wouldn’t surprise me. The BBC morning service today came from a church in Edinburgh – an ex-moderator sermonising about – yes, you’ve guessed it – Global Warming and the election result. I turned it off.

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  56. @ Fuzzie, I have not seen Mad Men, but have heard of it. I watched episode 1, season 1 today. Kind of reminded me of my college work-study job at a local military base. My boss was in his early 50s, comptroller for the base. He walked into my job interview, took one look at me, said, “She’ll do” and walked out — didn’t ask a single thing about my references, experience, skills… My first day, he offered me the keys to his car, suggested I take it to lunch. I politely said “No thank you, Sir” and to his credit he didn’t approach it again. It was a very fun job!

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  57. Liz says:

    I’ve seen quite a lot, Fuzzie. Often, there’s a kind of pattern. The middle-aged-female-approaching-or-past-wall-went-cray-cray pattern happens a lot. Last squadron, a friend of ours had been married since right out of high school to the same woman. They raised their kids and the youngest was a senior in highschool.

    The woman started changing. She got this really big boob job, and lost a lot of weight. When I ate lunch with her one day, it was like sitting across from a teenager on amphetamines. She was all jittery and her hands were shaking and she was making jerky movements. She complained about her husband the whole time. I guess she wanted to know if I was a ‘supporter’ (she never mentioned divorce, just was an asshole her husband was) and when I didn’t give her any high fives, but cautionary advice, I didn’t see her after that. About five months later she wants a divorce and is banging some guy in town. Her husband was devastated.

    But, there’s good news. Her husband then found a much younger, nicer and supportive woman and they’re married now. His ex, last I heard, wasn’t doing very well. Surprise surprise.
    To quote another guy I know well, and saw through a different divorce (he’s also very happy now, unlike his ex…it’s a pattern that repeats itself a lot):
    “You know why divorce is so expensive?”
    “Because it’s worth it!”

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  58. Having grown up in a military town, I didn’t date any of the guys at the base. There was a Chief Master Sargent in his late 30s, very funny, who was quite interested in me, maybe I didn’t play that hand too well… He let me drive a real Hum Vee once, until I kept going up and over curbs and such. Lol.

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  59. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    The problem with subverting the church, any church, to this modern agenda is that it cuts off the path of Everyman to God.
    We are now completely isolated spiritually.

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  60. Liz says:

    Gah, I need to watch some bear videos for mind bleach. This subject is too depressing.
    (and The Rational Male has been a real downer too…wish I’d never perused)
    Maybe I’ll watch some Southpark or take the kids tubing on the boat.

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  61. Tarnished says:

    Scfton,

    Lesbians *are* homosexuals, lol.

    Typically I hear they make up approximately 7-8% of the population here. And it’s not like I know a huge amount of them…In total, I know 4 single fathers, 2 people from lesbian parents and 3 people from gay parents. Only 1 was adopted though, everyone else had a biological parent involved.

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  62. Liz, I linked to the Kiwistan Flag proposals on the Foolish thread…

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  63. Tarnished says:

    …these will be looked at statisically as successful marriages.

    This is what drives me nuts about the manosphere’s insistence that having a wife with 1 or fewer partners is *necessarily* good. Yes, she is less likely to frivorce you…but that doesn’t mean you have a happy/fulfilling marriage. There’s more that goes into a relationship than previous sex partner count, like personal debt/finances, religious beliefs, ethics, children, economic hardships, personality types, education, etc.

    Maybe the issue is that it’s too easy for people to get married as well as divorced?

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  64. The 2% is not distributed evenly.

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  65. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    This is a good one. You do have to watch it all the way to see the “rocket powered bears”.

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  66. Well…as N increases so does the risk of divorce. But there are many failure modes.

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  67. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn,
    I think that people are looking for a “magic bullet” solution However, I don”’t want to be compared to idealized ghosts.

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  68. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    With your last story, two things came to mind. Could you have been right about stimulants? Also, there is the “empty nest” angle.

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  69. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Deti made the comment afew weeks ago that, under Marriage 2.0, the wife is under NO obligations or responsibilities. When he said it, it was like he just realized it.
    While this business of witholding sex to manipulate men predates feminism, it does stem from the principle of requiring tmutual consent. His consent is presumed and her’s is at her option.

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  70. Tarnished says:

    Agreed, Fuzzie.

    Spawny,

    Well…as N increases so does the risk of divorce.
    This is true, but so far not enough studies have been done on it to know if this is a causation or a correlation. The only data I’ve been able to find that studied it for both sexes is this, which is from the National Survey of Family Growth, 2002:

    If we truly want to see a near elimination of divorce, then both men and women alike should not engage in premarital sex (at least according to this data).

    [I disagree with this, Tarn. How else is one to understand whether a potential marital partner matches one’s libido? – Blurkel]

    But then you’re correct about the mode of failure. Are we counting a man who stays married for 25 years but uses Tinder every other weekend for hookups as “successful”? Is the lonely housewife who’s been married for 15 years to a husband with no libido and thus is a member of Ashley-Madison a “success”? Is the couple who has 5 kids and fights every night/can’t stand each other “good” because they’re staying together for the children?

    I’m absolutely not trying to say that divorce is a good thing. It’s too easy to do, can wreck families to unbelievable levels, and often brings out the worst in people. But we also should be mindful of the fact that a non-divorced couple is not always a successful marriage.

    [Divorce may be easy to DO, but I’m told by those who know that it’s incredibly hard to FEEL. One must overcome those feelings in order to do it. – Blurkel]

    And now I must go since my break is over. Ta, all!

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  71. Given the alternative, I have to give my divorce the thumbs up.

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  72. @ fuzzie, have you ever taken the attachment type test? I get the impression you want a relationship, but when it comes down to it, you talk yourself out of trying bc of the risk? Not to presume and I also dont want to in any way hurt you with this observation. An uncertain captain is hard to put faith in. Yes, marriages/relationships do fail or are unhappy, but don’t forget they do work out sometimes, too! Life is not a dress rehearsal…

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  73. Additionally, women are flighty creatures, and will pick up on the vibe of her lead. If it’s uncertain, she bolts. This may be another reason bad boys do so well, they are (too) sure of themselves…

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  74. Liz says:

    “Liz, I linked to the Kiwistan Flag proposals on the Foolish thread…”

    Thanks Swithy, that was a good one. Even the word Kiwistan makes me smile. 😛

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  75. Liz says:

    Fuzzie: “Could you have been right about stimulants? Also, there is the “empty nest” angle.”

    I’m sure she was on some sort of weight loss stimulants, Fuzzie. She went from frumpy to lean really fast (she also took up running). The unexplainable, out of the blue late(ish) in life boob job plus furious weight loss is often an indicator when a woman is looking to cat around, in my experience.

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  76. Indeed Liz, a gal I know started dieting like mad and sure enough… Frivorce! Two kids under the age of five. Shacked up with her “fitness partner” wi months of announcing her divorce. 😦

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  77. Liz says:

    Aw, that was a great video, Fuzzie. Thanks for sharing that. 🙂
    I feel better now. We took the kids out on the boat, they went tubing and then we went to a restaurant by boat (they have a lot of those out here).

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  78. @ Liz good for you! The red pill can get heavy at times, good to enjoy the good things in life, focus on the positives! 🙂

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  79. theasdgamer says:

    Additionally, women are flighty creatures, and will pick up on the vibe of her lead. If it’s uncertain, she bolts.

    Let’s fix this. “Additionally, women are flighty creatures, and will pick up on the vibe of her lead. If it’s not producing tingles, she bolts.”

    He’s toned down his alpha characteristics and entered the friend zone. Yes, the man is to blame for not being alpha. You get to shame and blame the man.

    Notice how I spotlight the hidden assumptions present in chickthink and chickspeak. Not throwing stones. Just digging out the Blue Pill and unwiring from the Matrix.

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  80. theasdgamer says:

    The red pill can get heavy at times

    Why would that be, Bloom? Why is the truth hard to take? Is it that we’ve become so comfortable with lies, fiction, and self-deception?

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  81. theasdgamer says:

    An uncertain captain is hard to put faith in.

    I wouldn’t want a first mate who couldn’t take over if I were to become incapacitated and the seas were rough. Women need to learn how to submit. How to be feminine when life is hard.

    Funny how captains who seem uncertain at first become a lot more confident when the first mate isn’t always questioning his judgment.

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  82. I didn’t mean to say it was all men’s fault, for sure! My apologies if it came across that way. Mars and Venus and such.

    Gamer for me the red pill is like being the kid saying “but the emperor has no clothes” that’s what’s so hard, watching exactly that go down all around, I do what I can but people implode their lives and families and all one can sometimes do is watch the trains wreck, in slow motion. It’s not the truth that’s hard, it’s that so many just can’t or won’t see…

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  83. Farm Boy says:

    It’s enough to renew your faith in the movies,” said Ty Burr of the Boston Globe. Peter Travers at Rolling Stone urged us to overlook the fact the picture doesn’t make sense and “Just go with it.” He praised director George Miller (who also directed the terrific original Mad Max and its sequel) as an “indisputable visionary genius.” A.O. Scott of the New York Times said this: “It’s all great fun, and quite rousing as well — a large-scale genre movie that is at once unpretentious and unafraid to bring home a message…. It’s about revolution.”

    When “mainstream” reviewers start gushing about an action movie, I am suspicious.

    You should be also.

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  84. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    I can’t remember if I linked this here or not. It’s still a fun aviation video.

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  85. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom hits one out of the park. Dalrock should repost it.

    http://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/2015/05/17/life-after-frivorce/

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  86. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I must have taken several attachment style tests at OlCupid. However, I was more confident then. Confidence based on ignorance.I can say that Sunshine Mary called me “my terrified bear” when her blog was up.
    Men have a lot to be afraid of.

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  87. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Blurkel,
    I don’t think premarital sex is going to be proof against a weak libido. I can’t think of a way to truly know until you’re well settled in.

    [And then it’s too late!]

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  88. Farm Boy says:

    Well, Fuzzie Bear. You should be considered to be a good catch. The fact that society does not reward bears like you is a shame. And to their detriment.

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  89. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    What you said could well be applied to all of us. Something is very wrong when so much counter producivity is promoted.

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  90. Spawny Get says:

    Funny how ‘Brazilian Clipper’ has changed connotation over the years, is it not?

    Used to be a seaplane, now it’s merely a muff tamer

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