Red Pill Classroom — The Dark Triad


From Wikipedia,

The dark triad is a group of three personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy.  Use of the term “dark” implies that these traits have malevolent qualities

  • Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.

  • Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others; a cynical disregard for morality, and a focus on self-interest and deception.

  • Psychopathy is characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callousness, and remorselessness.

Men who possess these properties have a head start with respect to attracting women.  (NAWALT applies — not all women go for this stuff).  The question would obviously be why?  Here is a fella who probably will not fit in well with respect to civilization in the long run, and has a good chance of “blowing up” at some point.  It all does seem to be a risk;  and a significant one at that.

As a fella, if one was associated with such a type, one would worry that he might turn on you at any second.  Hence, it probably would be a good idea to steer clear.  But apparently, women have no such issue.  I assume that the thought is that since they would be his women, he would not harm her.  Furthermore, his scheming ruthlessness would be used to protect her and advance her interests.  I wonder how good of a bet this is…

As alluded to previously, this personality type is not a good fit with respect to civilization, which is dependent on cooperation — something that dark triad types do not do well at all.   The fact that the type can attract women easily, encourages budding dark triad types to develop these skills more, to the detriment of all.  It is as if women do not like civilization.  I wonder why that might be…  (To be addressed in another post)

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196 comments on “Red Pill Classroom — The Dark Triad
  1. theasdgamer says:

    This post has soooo many problems. Where to begin? Let’s start with the post adopting the Blue Pill frame due to vagueness–which vagueness shows up in the definitions for narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.

    Let’s play Devil’s Advocate. If you are Red Pill, then you are by definition antisocial, per the FI. You will also be flagged as callous and remorseless since you hate women and seek to injure them by fighting the FI. Presto! You are now a psychopath if you are Red Pill.

    Your definition of “narcissist” is soooo obsolete. Psychology experts will tell you that the def. of “narcissist” has changed and that most men are narcissists, just like most women are, though that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Oops! There goes the malevolent tag on one of the Triad traits.

    There is an important school of political thought that posits that Machiavelli was onto something important. A good leader has to have some Machiavellian traits. And just like in politics, good leadership is good in a relationship. There goes the malevolent tag on another “Dark” Triad trait. And good leaders are important for civilization, n’est-ce pas?

    I could go on, but you get the idea. You failed to address the problems of vagueness inherent in your plan. Hence, it is easily undermined.

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  2. Tarnished says:

    As a fella, if one was associated with such a type, one would worry that he might turn on you at any second.  Hence, it probably would be a good idea to steer clear.
    Yup.

    But apparently, women have no such issue.  I assume that the thought is that since they would be his women, he would not harm her. 
    Furthermore, his scheming ruthlessness would be used to protect her and advance her interests.  I wonder how good of a bet this is…

    Which might be true in a very, VERY small number of cases. Perhaps there is such a male Unicorn who can embody DT traits without actually causing harm. Maybe.
    But for the other 99.9%? Yeah, as soon as you don’t matter to them…you’re gone, one way or the other. These are the thugs we talk about here. It is truly a pity that they are somehow attractive to many women.

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  3. SFC Ton says:

    The ability to cause harm is the whole point of being a man

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  4. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Something got left out. While Josef Stalin and Saddam Hussein were certainly nacissists and had to have the other two traits, they were both very charming. I think the ability to charm is necessary to narcissists.
    However, if this is the stuff that makes women go weak at the knees, we’re in big trouble. I concur that, while level headed guys would keep their distance, women don’t tend to be level headed about these matteres.

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  5. Farm Boy says:

    The ability to cause harm is the whole point of being a man

    The Bible says that he is to toil

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  6. Tarnished says:

    Not only that, but stating that the “point” of being a man is to harm, then one is in agreement with feminazis. They also believe that men can only harm, which is patently false and misandric.

    Fuzzie,
    I agree. We are all in deep Tauntaun poop if more women choose DT thugs to procreate with.

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  7. Gotta love the accent. And the wonderful disconnect between it and the grittiness of the views it is used to espouse.

    The New Left (Feminism & Social Justice) have succeeded in alienating many children from their fathers over the last twenty or so years. A mother, it seemed, was all a child needed. The evidence begs to differ.

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  8. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder how well men do with women if they only have two, or even just one of the qualities of the Dark Triad…

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  9. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Harriet Harman has done a lot of damage promoting single motherhood.

    Tarn,
    I hope that relationships with Dark Triads are doomed. This does leave the alpha widow problem to deal with.

    Farm Boy,
    I would think that it would in increments with possessing three veing the jackpot.

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  10. Fuzzie, yes she and her ilk are toxic to civilisation

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  11. Farm Boy says:

    she and her ilk are toxic to civilisation

    I wonder if she is a leader that “knows of the evil that they do”, or a “useful idiot”?

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  12. Farm Boy says:

    I hope that relationships with Dark Triads are doomed.

    Why would they be? Has something changed?

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  13. I don’t find her very useful at all. I don’t think she’s smart. One of her teachers from her school days described her as a ‘proper little madam’ (iirc). That translates as entitled, bossy and narcissistic.

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  14. @fuzzie I think you are onto something w the charming part. Or charming at first maybe. These traits may also work in that there is little conscience involved. Like a bpd woman can seem charming, sexy, and exciting — all a guy has ever wanted, then once the hook is set it all starts to go bad, really bad. I would not think a dark triad of either gender would be a good relationship bet — if it lasted, chances are it would be a painful and mostly one-sided ride.

    Is it good for the dark triad? Sure, being a parasite sucking someone dry then moving on works pretty well for them. And no pesky empathy or remorse, handy! (For them!)

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    That translates as entitled, bossy and narcissistic.

    Perhaps that is the female “dark triad”.

    Though it isn’t very attractive.

    And civilization is thankful for that.

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  16. All that said do too many women do it anyway, even some knowing full well he’s a bad boy (not bc they were unaware)? Yes. Clearly. Good choices? No.

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  17. Farm Boy says:

    Or charming at first maybe.

    This is such a common theme. Stuff seemingly good in the short term being bad in the long term. If only people could learn…

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  18. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I wouldn’t wish Jar Jar Binks on just anybody. Harriet Harman qualifies.

    Farm Boy,
    the Dark Triad caracteristics would lead to the demise of a relationship, no? I can’t see permanence under those circumstances.Tingles, maybe. Long term mutual respect, no.

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  19. Farm Boy says:

    The Dark Triad characteristics would lead to the demise of a relationship, no? I can’t see permanence under those circumstances.Tingles, maybe. Long term mutual respect, no.

    I see what you mean. You are referring to individual dark triad relationships. I was thinking in terms of relationships with dark triads as a whole.

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  20. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Sorry. “Can’t see permanence” is how it should read.

    Bloom,
    How is it that girls go for “bad boys” when they know beforehand?

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  21. Farm Boy says:

    I wouldn’t wish Jar Jar Binks on just anybody. Harriet Harman qualifies.

    Would George Lucas?

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  22. Tarnished says:

    How is it that girls go for “bad boys” when they know beforehand?
    It could be that they are literally too stupid to care in the way an average woman would, that tingles are more important than stability and safety, they have low self-esteem/a lack of survival instincts, or are (as Bloom suggests) fooled by those who are capable of pretending to not be DT.

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  23. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Those “bad boys”!! They’re hogging all the girls!!
    Oink, oink, oink!!

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  24. Well fuzzie, according to one of my favorite books and authors, “the Mastery of Love” by Don Ruiz, women (and men w ft women) lie to themselves, they want what they want in the moment and so they dismiss their concerns, the concerns of friends and family, plow ahead, hope for the best, then when it turns out exactly like everyone knew it would, they cry “victim!” Being honest w oneself is step one, he says. If the guy (or gal) is an unemployed drug addict, who cheated on their last partner w them, how can they be shocked that ends badly? But you can see it on Jezabel everyday….

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  25. Tarnished says:

    They’re hogging all the girls!!
    Ah, but ask yourself this:
    Are they hogging all the girls *you*, as an upstanding and decent guy, would want? Although there are undoubtedly some…perhaps even many…gals like Bloom who were taken for a ride by a smooth talker, surely there are just as many who deserve the DT males they end up with. (This is not to be confused with men/women who are in legitimately *abusive* relationships. Nobody deserves that.)

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  26. theasdgamer says:

    How is it that girls go for “bad boys” when they know beforehand?

    “Bad boys” become “bad” when they “cheat” on a woman or won’t commit or dump a woman for creating too much drama–usually around wanting an alpha to commit to her.

    Attractive men have options with many women and often use those options. Blue Pillers believe that those men have an obligation to commit to one woman rather than spin plates. Deti has gone on and on about how women aren’t owed commitment from alphas. When will the lesson sink in?

    Crying “bad boy” is just whining because some broad didn’t get commitment that she believed that she was owed.

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  27. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    If you were a boy, and you saw this foolishness a few times too often, realizing that it is all at the woman’s initiative, would you consider just going fishing?

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  28. theasdgamer says:

    All you men whining about how women like “bad boys”–would you want to sex up a whale yourself? Cuz betas are roughly equivalent to unattractive women.

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  29. SFC Ton says:

    The core aspect of being a man is violence. Everything about the smp is a proxy for violence. This capacity for violence is what kept your shit your shit your shit; it kept your woman safe, your kids free and your people from being killed, your women raped and your kids heads from being smashed in. Because anyone who wasn’t part of your tribe was a threat. Still works that way today, even if most threats are far removed from the middle class and above. If not for violent men, africans and moslems would be culturally enriching White american women like it was a motherfucking theme park ride.

    That is the historical climate men evolved in (micro evolution as I don’t buy into macro). The dark traid traits causes the tingles because it by passes modern social conditioning and goes right to the heart of survival, reproductive success and evolutionary victory

    Bad boys trigger the tingles because they tell a woman’s monkey brain he is a good bet when shit goes bad, and for most of human history, shit was really fucking bad.

    Truth of the world is ugly; the purposes of masculinity is equally ugly because it is rooted in that truth. The West is dying because it ignores that reality.

    The truth of women is they were designed to take in cum, spit out babies and procure resources from men without any morality involved.

    Those things are the basis of human nature. Ignore it at your own risk and enjoy that moral high horse while you can

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  30. Liz says:

    I’m trying to think of how many actual dark triad type men I’ve known and am drawing a blank.
    I know a lot of people, so I’m sure I must’ve met some, but none come to mind. That tells me they must be very rare. I remember BV’s account of his dark triad ex wife and I can’t think of any men I know who are like that.

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  31. Liz says:

    Perhaps someone could provide a direct example of the type of behavior (specific) a dark triad man would exhibit in real life. I’m thinking of Steve Jobs, who was notoriously hard to work with, maybe Michael Bay (just going by some people’s experiences working with him). Mostly I’m at a loss outside of television/cinema (Sherlock Holmes BBC version, Dexter, Dr House and so forth).

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  32. Spawny Get says:

    I don’t think we’re there yet Ton, but that future is definitely possible. And it is where we came from, deep in our genes.

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  33. Liz says:

    I think, once again, lots of us have different working definitions of the subject matter. To me, ‘dark triad’ is NOT simply the ability to get shit handled and not take any shit. Dark triad is psychopathic/sociopathic level of narcissism. It is exceedingly rare outside of prison.

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  34. Tarnished says:

    Men still need to provide for marriage acceptance, they do. Wonder if feminists answered same way despite being “independent”, hmm?

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  35. Tarnished says:

    That’s my take too, Liz. Perhaps the warriors/hunters of our species ancient tribes had these traits. It would certainly make sense that the ones who were most aggressive would be drawn/channeled to protecting the rest via fighting. But not every single man could be that way…some were undoubtedly very low on the DT scale. These men likely stayed behind on hunts with the women, elderly, and children as backup protection if needed (because yes, most men will protect their families without needing DT traits) and became the thinkers/builders.

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  36. theasdgamer says:

    With all the vagueness in the definition of the traits of a Dark Triad man, it’s hard to answer your question. A Dark Triad man might be:

    1. selfish–not self-sacrificing
    2. proud–maybe because he has real accomplishments
    3. deceptive–but doesn’t tell outright lies
    4. amoral, but ethical
    5. lacking empathy
    6. charming & fun

    In a PUA, you would see his charm. Both men and women would be looking up to him at a club–wanting his validation. He would pump & dump some girls–typically they would be unselective sluts or BPDs. The PUA would also keep some girls as gf’s in his harem.

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  37. Liz says:

    I’m not even sure DT traits work for hunting/fighting.

    ““Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.

    -that’s not what I call a DT trait. DT traits don’t collaborate.

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  38. Tarnished says:

    I’ve known a few boys (high school to early college age, mostly) and men who exhibited these traits. They were the type you stayed away from if you were smart, or valued your life/sanity. But they are by and far a minority.

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  39. Tarnished says:

    Liz,
    you don’t think this is descriptive of them?
    nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle

    I’m of the opinion that one can be good at fighting, cracking skulls, rushing into odds that aren’t in your favor till you force them to be, and being a fierce fighter who (due to DT traits) actually enjoys getting blood on one’s hands…yet not really a good fit for regular civilization.

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  40. Liz says:

    “Liz,
    you don’t think this is descriptive of them?
    nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle

    I’m of the opinion that one can be good at fighting, cracking skulls, rushing into odds that aren’t in your favor till you force them to be, and being a fierce fighter who (due to DT traits) actually enjoys getting blood on one’s hands…yet not really a good fit for regular civilization.”

    No, not at all. Not even a little. The DT person would be the one who runs at the moment of truth, the army is slaughtered and he makes up a story afterwards about being the only living hero.

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  41. SFC Ton says:

    Everyone in my line o work scored high in dark triad traits when the army sent in its battalion of headshrinkers.

    The traits are rare but more common then people think. The one’s in jail are the ones to dumb to find better outlets and to low on impulse control

    It was pretty funny listening to the results and then listening to the it ok, yo are ok feel good talk afterwards. It was like they were afraid we would turn into axe murders because the clinical definitions of these terms are poorly understood. And its funny that they would think we needed the self-esteem boost after being told we are all clinically fucking insane….

    Anyrate, extreme sports is also heavy in the dark traid traits, and I forget the rest of what they said but it is a matter of degree for the traits, intelligence and impulse control that dictates the prison path or climb mount Everest path.

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  42. SFC Ton says:

    And once again, I am not claiming all a man should be is violent or that every man in a society should be trained to the same degree I am, but step number one for a man is skilled enough in violence to keep his shit his and his bitch his bitch. Which with technology these days is a pretty low bar.

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  43. Liz says:

    Interesting. Okay, I’m going to take the DT personality test and see how I do now.
    Linky dinky:
    http://personality-testing.info/tests/SD3.php

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  44. SFC Ton says:

    LOL ps…. I am on my way to commit some violence against fish as the pond is calling, Thor and Girl are.doing the happy dance, and Ton is hungry

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  45. Liz says:

    Have fun fishing, Ton! 🙂

    Okay, my scores (0 to 4)
    Narc: 1.8
    Mach: 2.2
    Psycho: 0.8

    Verdict: I’m remarkably boring and non-psycho. 😛

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  46. Liz says:

    I don’t know. My husband probably would score lower even than I did on that DT test. But he isn’t afraid of violence. I’ll offer a couple of anecdotes.
    When we started dating, we were at a party at his sister’s house. There were a couple of morons (fashioned themselves “survivor” types) dressed in camo from head to toe. They even had camo paint on their faces, and they brought their guns into the house and started waving them around.
    One douchnozzel pointed the gun at Mike, and said, “I can do anything I want. Hell, I could just shoot you right now.” To which Mike said, “If you don’t leave right now, I am going to kill you with my bare hands.” He said it while the gun was pointed at his chest, and you could tell he was serious. The guy might kill him, but he would make sure that guy would be dead before he passed on. The guy left, and Mike said he’d better never see his face again, or he would regret it. And the guy never showed his face again.

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  47. Liz says:

    Guess that was just one anecdote. Okay, another is more recent. Mike was on a TDY with the squadron in Utah. They were at some bar (now that i think about it, I’m not sure it Utah has bars since it’s full of Mos..maybe it was somewhere else…anyway). A few college douchbags were being very very douchy. I think it had something to do with the college girls hanging around the pilots. Miss Utah (or whatever state) was sitting at Mike’s table next to a friend of ours. One of the douchebags kept coming over and bothering the girl and saying douchy things. They seemed to know each other…he just wouldn’t let up, and she was asking him to go away but he wouldn’t. He started to pull on her purse and kick the bottom of her chair and stuff. Mike said it was very very weird, and he was starting to get agitated, and knew he was going to lose his temper pretty soon. But he said nothing whatsoever, he just looked at the guy and the guy kept up his douchbaggery. Our friend asked him to leave the girl alone, and so forth, but it just made the guy cockier.
    Eventually, the cocky douchbag tells the girl to hit him…something like, “You don’t like it? Okay, hit me…” So she does. She slaps his face. And he turns around and coldcocks our friend in the jaw, knocking him onto the floor and out of his chair. My husband, who hadn’t said a single thing until that moment stood up and roared, “what the fuck was that?” And jumped over the table grabbing the guy’d neck with his bare hands. He said it was very satisfying to watch the guy’s smirk turn to surprise, then fear. Then all hell broke loose in the bar as the other college guys tried to pull Mike off their friend (unsuccessfully), and the other pilots ran in to “help the old man”. Made for a very exciting story anyway. The end result was, the college guys (who started the ruckus) were hauled off and the pilots all got free drinks.
    I have to admit that story juiced me and sometimes I ask him to tell it to me again. I was there for the first anecdote, above. That was very impressive, too.
    I don’t see how it’s DT to give a douchbag a beatdown though.

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  48. Liz says:

    There was the time at SERE in the faux prisoner camp when everyone was yelling at him to sign some paper. He was lined up and they had all the officers in front of him sign it (something about admitting to killing babies, or whatever). he was the lowest ranking at the time. He refused, and they got the Colonel to order him to sign it, and he refused. And then they did some stuff to try and coerce him into signing it, and they did stuff to other people…

    and finally he held up the paper and ripped it in half. and then everyone at all the other tables ripped their papers in half, too.
    Okay, done with the anecdotes. I just don’t think any of this is DT, ‘s what I’m saying.

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  49. Liz says:

    Bottom line is, none of the above things were completely self-serving. Obviously in the first case, he didn’t want this guy to come back and felt the need to protect his sister. In the second, the guy was being a douche, but not to him. In the third, everyone thanked him afterwards for doing that. It was a huge morale boost (and he got in a lot of trouble and almost had to repeat training, which would have really sucked).

    So…if that’s DT it’s something we need more of in society, not less of. But I don’t think that’s DT.

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  50. theasdgamer says:

    Ton: Everyone in my line o work scored high in dark triad traits when the army sent in its battalion of headshrinkers.

    Vagueness. Shrink defs not same as Wiki defs.

    Liz: My husband probably would score lower even than I did on that DT test.

    Babydoll, I seriously doubt that. Mike is a strong leader (points strongly towards machiavellianism) and a killer (gotta have some lack of empathy to do that). You mentioned Mike’s concern about his hair (points towards vanity and narcissism). Mike is arrogant enough to think that his principles are more important than collaboration with his other officers. Mike is self-reliant. All are narcissistic traits.

    Your hamster produced this result because Liz doesn’t like “bad boys”. Therefore, Mike can’t be a “bad boy”. However, I think it highly likely that Mike is Dark Triad and Liz likes bad boys. Dark Triad can appear as a white knight and even function like a white knight.

    Nobody I know would say that I’m Dark Triad or even close, yet I scored well outside the normal range. I’m heavily amoral as evidenced by the fact that I go out clubbing solo. A married husband. Morality frowns heavily on that. I will resort to personal violence if needed, though I prefer to use the Brute Squad. I am highly self-reliant for most things. I came up with my own thesis research proposal instead of taking whatever was assigned like most students did. My Ph.D. advisors thought that my research was really cool. Leading edge stuff. I am arrogant–shock!

    Dark Triad is quite common for masculine men. Perhaps Ton is correct that Dark Triad = masculinity.

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  51. Liz says:

    Hm.
    “However, I think it highly likely that Mike is Dark Triad and Liz likes bad boys. Dark Triad can appear as a white knight and even function like a white knight.”

    If a person both appears and functions like a white knight…wouldn’t that be missing the element of…um, “Dark” in it?

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  52. theasdgamer says:

    If a person both appears and functions like a white knight…wouldn’t that be missing the element of…um, “Dark” in it?

    Annnnd we’re back to the issue of definitional vagueness which I discussed in the first comment and everyone studiously avoided because…?

    “Dark Triad” may be oxymoronic. It is a vague term that only has connection with a test given by shrinks and circlejerks by philosopher wannabes.

    Only Ton with his “average IQ” was dead on the money in the discussion.

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  53. Yoda says:

    I am arrogant

    Believe this I could.

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  54. Spawny Get says:

    “and everyone studiously avoided because…?”

    perhaps you could turn your immense intellect to working that one out?
    personally? I am teh mystified.

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  55. theasdgamer says:

    Lol, paradoxically, I am also humble. I’m aware that I make a lot of mistakes, don’t know a whole h311 of a lot compared to what’s out there, am far from the most impressive physical specimen, etc.

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  56. theasdgamer says:

    perhaps you could turn your immense intellect to working that one out?

    Because people don’t look deep enough at questions and are too sure that they understand the questions. Hence, they are hack philosophers. People want to see their prejudices confirmed.

    Case in point: People relied on Wiki instead of on the people who have authority to define “Dark Triad”–the shrinks. Hence, definitional vagueness led to a circlejerk.

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  57. Spawny Get says:

    I think if you examined tone, you might find the search more fruitful…just saying, like

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  58. Tarnished says:

    Liz,
    I’ve taken this test before, as has my FwB.

    My scores:
    Narcissism = 0.8
    Machiavellian = 0.9
    Psycho = 0

    His scores:
    Narcissism = 2.4
    Machiavellian = 1.9
    Psycho = 0.8

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  59. Yoda says:

    The greastet Psychology Professionals vote on which diseases valid they are.
    Much depends on the Political Correctness of the era it does.

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  60. Tarnished says:

    Asdgamer,

    What you’re saying isn’t really too much of an issue in itself. However, when you take someone’s examples of X (that truly do support X) and insist that they actually support Q because reasons…it does come off as being arrogant. This is probably not your intent though.

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  61. theasdgamer says:

    Sure, Spawny. Persuasiveness relies heavily on tone. I didn’t like the tone of the OP either or its Blue Pill thrust. Felt like I was being raaaped intellekshually. Hence, my polemical riposte.

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  62. @ fuzzie I accidentally posted a reply to your question above on the he is risen thread…

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  63. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    it does come off as being arrogant

    So, you agree that my argument is strong? You just have a problem with perceived arrogance? And does perception of arrogance justify opposing or ignoring the point?

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  64. Spawny Get says:

    They’re discussing who to elect as Ed Milibland’s ‘successor’ on Guido’s blog. Not sure if the tone travels well, but this one still has me chuckling

    Dyedinthewool • an hour ago
    I am joining the Labour party to vote for the least attractive candidate
    • Reply•Share ›

    Guardian’s best social worker Dyedinthewool • 43 minutes ago
    The agony of choice.

    Don’t get me wrong. I love IowaHawk. But do you guys even have anyone in this league?

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  65. theasdgamer says:

    Yoda: The greastet Psychology Professionals vote on which diseases valid they are.
    Much depends on the Political Correctness of the era it does.

    Sure, your 800 years of experience means that we must defer to your authority on definitions.

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  66. Spawny Get says:

    Resignation with the quiet dignity one might expect of an English Gentleman…oh wait…it’s a Scottish Labour EX-MP

    AN ex-Scottish Labour MP who lost his seat in last week’s election rout says he’s relieved he can now tell his former constituents to “f*** off.”

    Brian Donohoe made the comments in an an interview after losing his Central Ayrshire seat to Philippa Whitford of the SNP by a majority of more than 13,000.

    The 66-year-old said he was “disappointed” at the results after a 23-year stint in the Commons.

    He told the Irvine Times today: “I’m of an age where I can now turn round with the greatest delight and tell people to ‘f*** off’ which I haven’t been able to do for a hell of a long time in both my trade union life and also in this one.

    “You have to take all sorts coming through the door and be kind, considerate and generous with your time and sometimes you wonder why.

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  67. I think I’ve always had a lot of narcissism, except for the ‘lack of empathy’ part, not lacking in empathy and sometimes have too much IMO. And the borderline-narcissism has frankly never hurt me in terms of rships, or in interactions with authority figures like teachers or employers. I think people–both men and women–are drawn to narcissists more than they wanna admit. And narcissistic tendencies can be a helpful buffer against the problems and disappointments everyone will encounter in life, I think it helps increase resilience. Better to be narcissistic than go to pieces once u fail at something.

    Frankly most of us here are, well, kinda wonderful in comparison to the avg person, and we meet so many foolish or sheep-like pple, how can we not be slightly inclined towards narcissism? :-p The more I learn about pple, the more i feel drawn in that direction…

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  68. Yoda says:

    A science driven by current PC fashion is a true science not.

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  69. Spawny Get says:

    Speaking, as we did in passing yesterday, of saucers of milk…*sigh* sadly I have news of an outbreak of severe infighting within a party with just one MP. Yep. UKIP

    I wish they’d all just go on holiday. Celebrate the 4 million votes. Look forward to the Euro-referendum. Come back relaxed, with a tan and a mild hangover.

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  70. @ ton, would Thor be the new arrival?

    I am fair sure dark triad/clinically insane is an asset in your line of work, but screened for impulse control so it’s selectively administered not random and completely disloyal. (Those ones would be in jail most likely).

    Mike sounds like someone I’d follow into battle and I am not even a guy! 🙂

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  71. Spawny Get says:

    “Frankly most of us here are, well, kinda wonderful in comparison to the avg person, and we meet so many foolish or sheep-like pple, how can we not be slightly inclined towards narcissism? :-p The more I learn about pple, the more i feel drawn in that direction…”

    Well, to be fair. It’s hard not to feel that one is above average, when the average seems so damnably low. 😉

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  72. * unloyal not in loyal
    [SG – Disloyal? FTFY]

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  73. Spawny Get says:

    Thor is the canine death machine iirc. Or maybe the biggest and meanest of the batch of CDMs

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  74. Spawny “Well, to be fair. It’s hard not to feel that one is above average, when the average seems so damnably low. ”

    I’m glad u said it. 🙂

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  75. Spawny Get says:

    “The agony of choice.”

    hmm two likes. Not just me then

    I love that sense of humour. Perhaps it’s time to watch FU (Francis Urquhart) in the original and betterer UK House of Cards. I bought the complete boxset years ago, but have yet to watch it. It’s a trilogy BTW

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  76. My scores:

    Narcissism 2.9

    Machiavellianism 1.9

    Psychopathy 0.8

    Hey if u guys choose the option of doing add-on questions, u get to see lots of pretty paintings! :-p

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  77. IMO the percentile score is more meaningful. Mine was 57%, 17% and 2%. Very non-psychopathic and not very Machiavellian, but a bit narcissistic.

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  78. Spawny Get says:

    Even the 57% is really in the ‘could do better’ category, is it not? 😉

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  79. theasdgamer says:

    Well, to be fair. It’s hard not to feel that one is above average, when the average seems so damnably low.

    Argghh, matey, let’s not give up hope! There’s always room for the average to go lower. Might cause our heads to swell so much that we have to carve a larger door just to pass between rooms. It might take some extraordinary effort to avoid manipulating people and feeling empathy for them. Being Dark Triad might become incredibly easy.

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  80. Tarnished says:

    So, you agree that my argument is strong?

    No.
    To clarify, *I* am not in any sort of position to say if your argument is strong or not. In this instance (talking about Mike specifically), only Liz can do that.
    However, some of what you are saying makes sense and may very well be true for other people/situations. Again, we only seem to have these arguments when we depart from generalizations and begin to pick apart (or push biases on) individual commenters and their relationships.

    I think we all just have to remember that aspects of our individual lives are very different, and it’s absolutely fine to agree to disagree on many things we talk about. Hence, your last comment to me on the previous post where you ended with “Your mileage may vary” was a wonderful way of both stating your case *and* admitting that I may not agree with it.

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  81. @Spawny: Lol yeah I was a bit surprised by that, there must be lots of reeeeally narcissistic people wandering around.

    Take the test and post ur score! No cheating 😉

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  82. theasdgamer says:

    The psychopathy percentile score was relative to test takers, which could include a lot living in Big Houses.

    I think above 1.8 is considered outside the norm. My lowest score was in psychopathy and it was outside the norm.

    I could defer to Spawny’s request for me to moderate my tone and be a lot more Machiavellian and manipulative, which would likely be a lot more pleasant for the commenters. I’ve been fighting that Machiavellian tendency. Heh.

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  83. Spawny Get says:

    “Argghh, matey, let’s not give up hope! There’s always room for the average to go lower.”

    Indeed! never lose hope. Not until we reach the Zombie Apocalypse, after that it’s only with the help of the lefties that we could further push the limits of dumb.

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  84. Tarnished scored 0 on psychopathy…remarkable. 😮

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  85. Spawny Get says:

    “moderate my tone”

    hmm, that wasn’t really my point. I didn’t think you were being overly rude.

    You weren’t (as far as I remember from just before switching off the light) being rude. Just not using a tone which invites conversation. You must realise that Farm Boy isn’t an enemy(?) Why not reply in a more fun tone?

    As long as you’re not being personally insulting, I don’t really care TBH. I’m just saying that it was your tone that probably made people switch off the light and go to sleep, or otherwise move past the comment.

    I did raise my eyebrows at ‘babydoll’ earlier. But I figured that Liz is a big girl and could just call you ‘budgie smuggler’ or some such in return. Instead she just rose above both your comment and my imagined response. Smart girl.

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  86. theasdgamer says:

    In this instance (talking about Mike specifically), only Liz can do that.

    Ummmm, maybe we could get a more objective evaluation than Liz would provide? Maybe Mike could take the test? That then would give Liz feedback about the extent that her hamster has been involved (if in fact it has been involved).

    I’m sure that Mrs. Gamer would score even lower than Liz. Opposites attract. Liz has low Dark Triad scores and I would expect Mike’s to be outside the norm on the high side.

    Dark Triad women are unattractive to me, in a strangely fascinating way.

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  87. Liz says:

    I’ll ask Mike to take it tomorrow.
    He comes home from his trip tonight. 🙂

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  88. As a single woman I would advise men seeking a woman to move in on a single gal when you are interested. Single women are approached regular, and the rewards go to the bold.

    Mike for example, made sure he was Liz’s study partner, was occupying her spare time, demonstrating to her he had it going on like donky kong, getting to know her but not orbiting too long before making his interest known, etc. or if you are Mo man, get within kauri (?) club distance 😉

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  89. As I recall, Liz’s husband is an ENFP. My guess is that he wouldn’t have high dark triad scores, although they may not be very low either (except for the 3rd component, psychopathy).

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  90. Spawny Get says:

    “Take the test and post ur score! No cheating ;)”

    I get to question 3 and find myself unable to sign up for any of the 5 responses. I can’t say why, otherwise I’d possibly break their psychopathy meter. I doubt even Ton realises how much we have in common. What we don’t have in common, which is crucial here, is a legal system and constitutional amendments. Best keep schtum.

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  91. theasdgamer says:

    Instead she just rose above both your comment and my imagined response. Smart girl.

    Indeed, Liz is very adept at reading intent. My “babydoll” address was for the purpose of providing comfort and taking some of the sting off of my point. I am fond of Liz, as I have said before. And we have a lot of rapport. We don’t always agree, but I try to disagree agreeably anyway.

    Now let’s all just hold hands and sing KumBaYa.

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  92. missattempts says:

    Dear redpillgirlnotes:
    In Chinese Astrology we go by the Chinese calendar. Therefore a person is the
    previous sign until the Chinese New Year changes, either in late Jan. or up to
    middle Feb. My parents were a mismatch, and suffered 63 years of marital discord.
    RE: Female attraction to “bad boy’s,” She see’s no alternative. She has no ability to
    discern a healthy person from a dysfunctional one, until she’s too deeply into the
    relationship. She has to elevate her spiritual comprehensive state so she will not place
    “boyfriends” first. On her current level, she can only attract abusers. A healthy person
    attracts other healthy people. A sick person attracts other sick people. She is as much to
    blame for her “victimization” as her “victimizer.”
    If she operates from her optimum level, she wouldn’t give a nere’ do well “bad boy”
    the time of the day. It also applies to healthy male/pathological female as well.

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  93. Cill says:

    I have done the test but rather than show my results, I fall back on quoting this from the site:

    “Your use of this assessment must be strictly for educational purposes. It can not be taken as psychological advice of any kind.”

    I refuse to show my results on the grounds that they might incriminate me.

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  94. Spawny likes to “get revenge on authorities”, eh? 😉

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  95. theasdgamer says:

    Oh, as regards the Hamster:

    When Mrs. Gamer is unhappy that she loves me, she will say all kinds of tripe about me and believe it. When she is happy that she loves me, she will say the exact opposite and believe it.

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  96. Spawny Get says:

    The answer is very complicated.

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  97. Lol Cill, go on. I actually don’t think most of these traits are straightfowardly “bad”.

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  98. theasdgamer says:

    I get to question 3 and find myself unable to sign up for any of the 5 responses.

    Clearly, you have low psychopathic tendencies. A psychopath wouldn’t care if his answer was accurate.

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  99. Spawny Get says:

    “My “babydoll” address was for the purpose of providing comfort and taking some of the sting off of my point”

    I didn’t think that the intent was to be rude. I was just thought the word inappropriate there. I laughed at the time, but not ‘with you’.

    I don’t think that you’re tracking me, but I’m tired, so the fault isn’t yours alone. And it doesn’t really matter as I don’t think that you’re out to insult anybody – and that’s my bottom line; the intent.

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  100. Missattempts, I agree with ur post, except for the part about the Chinese calender. 😉 All that zodiac stuff is fun to learn about, but I really don’t think your date of birth determines how ur life is gonna go. That kind of thinking involves an abdication of personal accountability, which is generally not helpful.

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  101. Spawny Get says:

    “Clearly, you have low psychopathic tendencies. A psychopath wouldn’t care if his answer was accurate.”

    As an engineer I feel the need to provide accurate data to the black box, else the output is garbage. If they added an ‘it’s complicated, it depends on the circumstances’ box, I could tick that.

    Lack of sleep makes Spawny ambivalent.

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  102. Cill says:

    Well… before I show mine, I need to know what the “normal” level is for a score.

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  103. There’s a percentile score on the right, Cill. The sample may be skewed, though.

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  104. Spawny Get says:

    “Where’s normal?”

    likely nowhere near you, me or a few others here, mate

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  105. theasdgamer says:

    What I have seen with the Hamster–the more emotional investment that a woman has, the harder the Hamster works. Remember that the next time you think about relying on a woman’s opinion about her man.

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  106. Cill says:

    “The sample may be skewed, though”
    I’m more interested in the scores than the percentiles. What’s a high score? 3? 4? 5?

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  107. Spawny Get says:

    Remarkable how keen the Beeb is to cover UKIP, if and only if, the news is bad.

    Their ‘quotes’ when seen in the ir original context seem rather vindictively chosen – quelle surprise.

    I hope the rumours about the Tories getting the hatchets out for al-ja-beeba are correct. fuck ’em they’re not fit for purpose.

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  108. And what’s “good” or healthy also depends alot on circumstances, so that further complicates what’s “normal”. There are items like “Payback needs to be quick and nasty”, “People who mess with me always regret it” etc, which I disagreed with, but that’s because nobody has really crossed me yet or deliberately tried to mess up my life, except for one ex-bf. For the most part, pple have been nice to me…But if someone meets a lot of A-holes who seriously mess with him/her, it’s totally understandable to toughen up, be a bit more “psychopathic” and give payback to ur enemies. That’s survival, and dishing out some karma 😉 Hey it’s actually a good thing, from that perspective.

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  109. Spawny Get says:

    “What’s a high score? 3? 4? 5?”

    We know that you got 597.7 Cill. You’re fooling no-one

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  110. “I’m more interested in the scores than the percentiles. What’s a high score? 3? 4? 5?”

    Don’t ask me, man, I’m supposed to be studying. *reluctantly tears eyes away from blog*.

    Scores are from 0-4. Scoring a 2 puts a person at the 20th percentile for each trait, apparently (when I tried ticking “neutral” for every question). So most pple are scoring above 2 for each trait.

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  111. Cill says:

    asd, show your scores. Please.

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  112. Spawny Get says:

    “Scores are from 0-4”

    Puts Cill’s 597.7 in context, just saying

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  113. Cill is reminding me of the Banker in blackjack games. *looks at his cards* *shiftily looks at other players* *looks at his cards again*

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  114. Spawny Get says:

    Over-sensitive types…

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  115. Cill says:

    I’ll show my hand if Spawny shows his. Can’t be fairer than that.

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  116. That’s gonna take a while since Spawny stopped at question 3! Lol. U could trade scores with Asdgamer (publicly, of course). :-p

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  117. Spawny Get says:

    I stopped when I couldn’t answer question 3. A quick shufty at later questions confirmed the problem. I have no hand to show.

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  118. theasdgamer says:

    Alana, have a guess at my scores. There’s a chance I’ll confirm and/or deny your guess.

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  119. Tarnished says:

    Aw, come on, Cill!
    I showed my scores and just how disturbingly non-psycho I am! (As our Alana pointed out, lol.)

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  120. Cill says:

    Spawny mate, when you can’t answer just click the answer third from the left on the test form. It’s the roundel in the middle. As an Englishman you’ll hit the sweet spot.

    XD

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  121. Cill says:

    That’s all right for you to say, Tarn, when it’s your score of “Psycho = 0” that got me freaked out in the first place 😉

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  122. Lol, u men are being much more secretive than us ladies.

    Uhh lemme guess, Asdgamer. Other pple can have a go, also. U left a clue earlier, saying “The psychopathy percentile score was relative to test takers, which could include a lot living in Big Houses.

    I think above 1.8 is considered outside the norm. My lowest score was in psychopathy and it was outside the norm.”

    My guess:

    Narcissism: 3.2

    Machiavellianism: 3.2

    Psychopathy: 2.4 ?

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  123. Cill says:

    Alana at 7:21 pm, do you consider those to be high scores? Just askin’

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  124. Spawny Get says:

    Is that the French Air Force Roundel? Teh disrespect

    3 would not be accurate. GIGO

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  125. What’s impressive is nobody has misspelt ‘machiavellianism’ or “narcissism” on this page yet. I remember in high school for our essays on the French revolution, the history professor teased my classmate Penelope for writing 9 different spellings of bourgeoisie in one essay. :-p

    Gonna take a shower now and try not to fall asleep.

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  126. Spawny Get says:

    It wasn’t just question 3.

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  127. Lol, Cill. I don’t think those scores at 7:21 are extremely high, but they are on the high side. I’m not judging, my narcissism score is on the high side and I wouldn’t have it any other way. ^^

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  128. Btw, in some ways I think men “need” higher scores than women to get by in the world we have.

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  129. theasdgamer says:

    Alana, interesting guesses and solid detective work. Why did you choose those guesses aside from my hint?

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  130. theasdgamer says:

    Cill, where do you hide the bodies? Heh

    Your exhibitionism is rated at 1,943.

    Leave a little for the ladies to wonder about.

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  131. Tarnished says:

    I would feel really freakish right now, if I didn’t already reach the conclusion years ago that my default personality is apparently “Too Nice And Empathetic For My Own Damn Good”.

    Seriously, I used to think people were all pretty much against me and the entire world is nothing but dog-eat-dog insanity 24/7. Then I realized, no…I’m just a ridiculously nice person, to the point of people telling me I “can’t actually be real”.

    😦

    It’s troublesome, because I’ve had to teach myself to be suspicious of every other human being I meet. It’s way too easy to get taken advantage of.

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  132. theasdgamer says:

    Imagine if the personalities of Hannibal Lector and Johnny Storm merged. The Perfect Dark Triad Storm.

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  133. Cill says:

    asd you noticed that. 😉

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  134. Cill’s score has disappeared, but I already saw it 😉 The psychopathy score was hilarious.

    Asdgamer, I didn’t have stats available like the mean or median scores, so I just guessed based on comparison to mine. I guessed that u were roughly as narcissistic as me, significantly more Machiavellian and also scoring higher in psychopathy, but all the ladies here had such lower Psychopathy scores that I didn’t think urs could be in the >3 range, that’s why I guessed 2.4

    Obviously these are all rough guesses though. Would be fun for us to see yours, we’re non-judgemental folks here. :-p

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  135. I will take the test later… Busy day…

    Alana, supposedly Intj and infp/enfp are each other’s best match. I find it interesting how many of both are here, while relatively rare in the average population…. Hummm…

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  136. Cill says:

    Spawny has completed the test. That’s why he’s gone quiet. The results have thrown him into shock.

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  137. Cill says:

    He’s trying to decide if the results are at odds with his Movie Star Good Looks.

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  138. theasdgamer says:

    Alana, you were spot on on one of my scores. (I think that my ethical code ameliorates my psychopathic tendencies. I recall reading a sci fi novel along those lines a while back.)

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  139. Tarnished says:

    I’m really curious to know Spawny’s now…

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  140. Cill says:

    Yeah, come on Spawny mate! ‘Fess up.

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  141. Spawny Get says:

    Not my fault they had under-damped needles on their gauges. Apparently it’s my fault and the bill’s in the post for the replacements. Three of the damn things too. I blame you lot. Moff2Sulk

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  142. Tarnished says:

    Nooooo. Come back, Spawny! 😉

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  143. Cill says:

    Well… my results fell short of wrecking their gear, Spawny, which makes me feel a whole lot better. Yours quite frankly must have been somewhere up there with Hitler.

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  144. Cill says:

    On a serious note, only 3 men here have taken the test and all 3 of them are Dark Triad. According to the test.

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  145. Spawny Get says:

    Hitler? pah! A mere amateur. ‘onest ‘itler the modest bloke we calls ‘im in the Dark Triad Society, over which I preside. Being President ain’t no big thing. The election has been uncontested now for decades…ever since I joined, come to think of it.

    Waiting for the hot water, then it’s early abed and watch some tv. maybe House of Cards. There may be commentary. But seeing as you lot won’t get the contemporary references (it was made in the early nineties in the UK)…maybe not

    8.9/10 on IMDB. FU for the win.

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  146. Spawny Get says:

    Francis Urquhart: [Following fatal bomb blast in the street] Don’t worry, no-one we know.

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  147. “Alana, you were spot on on one of my scores. (I think that my ethical code ameliorates my psychopathic tendencies. I recall reading a sci fi novel along those lines a while back.)”

    Gahh, I’ve returned from my typical 40min-long shower and still you and Spawny are keeping mum abt your scores!! Lol. Ok at least we know your psychopath score. (Like u said I really think the test results must be skewed in terms of the psychopathy dimention; I know my psychopathy is lower than average but seeing it was 2-percentile gave me a shock. Strange).

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  148. Cill says:

    “House of Cards” (1990). I was 5YO.

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  149. “Alana, supposedly Intj and infp/enfp are each other’s best match. I find it interesting how many of both are here, while relatively rare in the average population…. Hummm…”

    Bloom, I can’t say too much now as I’m supposed to be studying (I keep saying that hoping to motivate myself, lol) but yes, xNTJs and xNFPs do tend to be drawn to each other. (Next time u meet a guy u have lots of chemistry with, ask him to take the test! Lol. ) And blogs tend to attract introverts more than extroverts, so naturally lots of INTJs and INFPs congregate here. 🙂

    Btw, INTJs and INFPs are not as different as they may appear on the surface. I’m not sure if u’ve seen Jeremy’s MBTI-related posts on J4G; he’s quite an expert on the topic. And he said one of the very most fundamental differences in MBTI types is whether they have the cognitive function Fi or Fe. (I wish Jeremy would write a guest post on MBTI here, haha).

    Both INTJs and INFPs are Fi. As I understand it, Fi people tend to come to their own conclusions about what values to have, Fe people are a lot more dependent on other people’s opinions. This is a very big similarity that our 2 seemingly-very-different personality types have, and is why we instinctively get along IMO.

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  150. theasdgamer says:

    I’ve returned from my typical 40min-long shower

    Reminds me…long time since I’ve had shower sex…love the soaping…move along, move along, nothing to see there.

    [To the tune of “I’m a lumberjack”]

    “I’m a psychopath and I don’t care.”

    Spawny’s Space needs a theme poem. May I recommend:

    “We’re the men of Spawny’s Space

    We live in caves and ditches.

    We beat our c0cks on jagged rocks.

    We’re rugged sons o’ b1tches.”

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  151. I’m not as much an expert as Jeremy on MBTI cognitive stacks, but this is some of what I read on Fi vs Fe.

    “Fe tends to be more concerned with external societal rules, etiquette, politeness, and encouraging others to do the same.

    Fi tends to be more focused on internal values and is concerned with ethics as an end to themselves, and not necessarily so much the societal rules of polite behavior. Fi wants to be authentically an individual, and in theory allows others to be their individual selves with less interference. This is debatable, apparently.”

    “Fe = likes to be liked by others

    Fi = likes to be true to themselves”

    —-

    More explanations from https://noticethemoonstone.wordpress.com/2015/04/12/cognitive-functions-fi-vs-fe/ if you wanna find out more.

    Btw ENFPs and ENTJs are also Fi.

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  152. I like the poem, Asdgamer. Perfect number of syllables in each line, too. 🙂 Although the part about jagged rocks was a lil scary, heh.

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  153. G’night all~

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  154. Sumo says:

    On a serious note, only 3 men here have taken the test and all 3 of them are Dark Triad. According to the test.

    The Mighty Sumo’s score:

    Narcissism – 1.9

    Machiavellianism – 3

    Psychopathy – 2.3

    Guess that brings the Dark Triad total up to 4.

    (TBH, I figured that referring to myself in the third person was a fairly good indicator or narcissism)

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  155. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Thanks for the heads-up. I never would have seen your reply without it.

    I do know someone who may qualify as Dark Triad. He is in prison. While I knew him, he never lacked for female attention.

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  156. Cill says:

    Sumo Bro! Good on you for showing your results. Here are mine:

    Trait Score Percentile
    ————————————————————————
    Narcissism 2.9 57
    Machiavellianism 3.1 68
    Psychopathy 3.8 95

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  157. SFC Ton says:

    It was a good day on the pond, all the fishes are dead, gutted, rolled in Zaterans fish fry batter and waiting on the peanut oil…

    Thor is my good natured goof ball. He is part of the canine murder crew by default. When people turn Danes into the rescue they will never say “I cannot handle the big ass dog” they say “he’s aggressive and I’m worried about the kidz”. Never seen any aggression out of Thor. In the Norse mythos, Thor is like a giant good natured teenager who gets in a lot of scraps but with no real malice. Odin was the definition of malice.

    This topic is extremely difficult to discuss with women. #1 Westren women are extremely removed from violence and generally fucking clueless as new borns on the topic, making statements like Tarn’s and Liz’s because violent men keep the ugly at a distance. They also, as a rule, do not have much in the way of a fully defined sense of morality

    Violence, Machiavellism etc are tools and exist outside the concept of morality, right or wrong. Just like my hammer is neither moral or immoral, but like all tools, they can be used for moral or immoral purposes.

    Liz’s husband…. well I don’t know him from shit, but I know he use to drive a10’s for a living. That shows a willingness to disassociate his actions from his sense of self and kill other humans simply because enough dumbass “americans” voted for the fuck stick who is telling him to go there and kill. He is also in a semi risky line of work demonstrating he is comfortable with a higher level of risk then most,and the job requires the ability to disengage the lizard brain( the self preservation/ panic/ run part of the brain) to accomplish his assigned objectives and/ or deal with potentially fatal aircraft failures… like engines taking a shit

    Now…. take a guess as to what type of mental conditions are best at doing those sort of things? Men who score high in….. pyschopathy & sociapathy

    He is, presumably, well trained in mission planning…. that is some straight up Machiavellian shit right there with deception, misinformation/disinformation and bold face lies can be as useful as rifles.

    The dagger in the dark thing

    But…. she is emotionally invested in him, and not grasping the fact that dark traid doesn’t a monster make. All sorts of things will channel those so called dark traits into non prison related activities.

    Took the test for shits and giggles
    35% on the narcissism
    88% on the Machiavelliaism
    95% on the psychopathy
    For whatever some interwebz test is worth.

    Reckon my scores are low dude to the vagueness/ open endness of the questions.

    A narcissist who’s sense of self is, I will never rat, will not rat to keep his sense of self intact but… I happened to know a thing or three about SERE. Not sure how hands on they get with pilots, they are expensive to train and fragile people, but everyone breaks. The point of SERE school is to assit you putting your physiological self back together after you brake…which is easier the longer you resist. Not the only point but it’s key. Most of us don’t know enough intell to be a big threat. If you hold out for a day or three most of what you know is no longer relative. If you are the kind of guy with that sort of intell… well they send guys like me to bail you out(or kill you, depending on what can be achieved). Now, Liz’s husband did n’t brake… would he have signed it if they were gutting his comrades and the only way to save them from having thier balls chopped off was by signing the document? Even the refusal to sign is neither moral or immoral in and of itself.

    Bathist Iraq, started off their integrations with a gang rape because it physiological devastates a man’s sense of worth and mental ability to resist. It’s actually easier to resist multiple straight up torture then the pro longed psychological devaluation of your sense of pride.

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  158. @ ton I do not doubt it is so but I hope it is a world me and my girls never grapple with. I will prepare them if so, FI being what it is. Survival. Survive. That’s the ultimat FI imperative. It is what it is.

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  159. @ Tom so when is half-ton arriving? (Approximately of course!) hope all is well…

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  160. Lol lots of comments on this post so far; I’m wondering what Fuzzie Wuzzie and Farm Boy would score 😉 I’ll also be keen to see Bloom’s result later~

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  161. Cill says:

    Hey Sumo you Machiavellian miscreant, I beat you in the nutcase stakes! I’m a candidate for a loony bin, I am! Faced with knowledge such as this at 9:30 in the morning, there’s only one thing to do. Have a shot of Scotch (glug)

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  162. Al-ja-beeba has been pushing the UKIP war all day. Seems they might have built the narrative a bit beyond the facts…feckers
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/14/nigel-farage-is-my-political-hero-patrick-oflynn-clarifies-newspaper-reports/

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  163. SFC Ton says:

    TonSpwan is due in soon. As in the next week or so.

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  164. Look forward to hearing of a successful podding process.

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  165. Liz says:

    “TonSpwan is due in soon. As in the next week or so.”

    Oh Squeeeeee!!! Weee!!!
    How exciting!
    I’m so envious.
    😀

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  166. Liz says:

    After reading the above posts now I’m kind of hoping Mike tests dark triad….
    Everyone else seems to.
    Is that wrong?
    Does this mean I’m fickle? 😛

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  167. Liz says:

    Or maybe just high maintenance? Like Goldicocks, or some such…
    Just watched this Amy Schumer video, this is pretty funny stuff:

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  168. Tarnished says:

    Nah, I think you’re cool, Liz. Besides…putting a label on someone’s personality doesn’t alter it. Regardless of how Mike tests, he’ll still be your awesome hubbie. 🙂

    Coincidentally, in rereading through this thread, I realized I had a typo in my FwB’s scores. His Machiavellian one should say 1.9, not 0.9. I inadvertently made him out to be a weirdo like myself with a super low score, lol.

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  169. Liz says:

    That’s true. Whatever he tests will be the ‘perfect man’ in my estimation.
    ENFP perfect!
    Dark Triade fuck yeah!
    Non-dark tirade fuck yeah!
    Playing guitar fuck yeah! Fishing fuck yeah! Facial hair fuck yeah! No facial hair fuck yeah! Wearing stilettos and a bra…er, just kidding. 😛

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  170. SFC Ton says:

    We are…. resting up before the storm. Well mostly me because I know what’s coming.

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  171. Perhaps put a little pot of ointment in the fridge, in case it stings a bit? It’s the caring thing to do…not too caring though…wouldn’t want to go too far and spoil your reputation.

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  172. Tarnished says:

    Unless Mike likes to press wildflowers and hang around in bars, I think all’s well, Liz. 😛

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  173. Yoda says:

    New post there is.

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  174. Sumo says:

    Hey Sumo you Machiavellian miscreant, I beat you in the nutcase stakes!

    Knew there was a reason I liked you.

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  175. Cill says:

    Any excuse for a shot, bro. Here’s to that great nuthouse in the sky…
    Cheers!

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  176. theasdgamer says:

    Best Wishes, Ton.

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  177. @ton may all go smoothly!keep us posted (squee!)

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  178. Cill says:

    What does squee mean?

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  179. Good luck Sfc Ton, hope all goes smoothly~

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  180. “What does squee mean?” Men are so funny sometimes. XD

    I love the way Liz reads comments backwards (I can tell by the sequence in which she “likes” comments). It’s like in her own small way she’s time-travelling, going backwards in time. :-p

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  181. SFC Ton says:

    Thank you all

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  182. Cill says:

    “Men are so funny sometimes”
    Duh

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  183. Liz says:

    When I say squee, I’m squealing with delight, Cill.
    Like a small child does, when you put a zrbttt on his belly.
    (you’re going to ask what a zrbttt is now aren’t you?) 😛

    “I love the way Liz reads comments backwards (I can tell by the sequence in which she “likes” comments). It’s like in her own small way she’s time-travelling, going backwards in time. :-p”

    It kind of matches my speech pattern. I say things out of order in real life, too (probably has something to do with listening to Mom’s poor broken English during my formative language years). Mike thinks it’s endearing but he’s probably the only one. 🙂

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  184. Cill says:

    What is a what a zrbttt?

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  185. Cill says:

    Damn, I’m going to protect my wee Meddy from that sort of stuff.

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  186. Liz says:

    It’s onomatopoeia, Cill. 😛

    Instead of a kiss, you blow out and it makes a zrbtttt sound. Babies squeal with delight when you do this.
    (not ones as young as Ton’s will be…the only thing I remember about that age is putting a diaper on a newborn is like trying to put a diaper on a bag of snakes. They’re all little spindly limbs moving, and so small you’re afraid to hurt them by holding them in place. And they pee as soon as air hits them, so you have to put a little cloth over them while you’re changing or they’ll douse you, or themselves! One of my sons got himself in the eye like that! I was a rookie then).

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  187. Cill says:

    “Instead of a kiss, you blow out and it makes a zrbtttt sound. Babies squeal with delight when you do this.”
    Hell I would too.

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  188. Yoda says:

    It kind of matches my speech pattern

    Backwards you do not speak.
    Sound like me you do not.

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  189. theasdgamer says:

    I always called blowing on the skin “blatts.”

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  190. “It kind of matches my speech pattern. I say things out of order in real life, too (probably has something to do with listening to Mom’s poor broken English during my formative language years). Mike thinks it’s endearing but he’s probably the only one. ”

    Nahh I think it’s cute and disarming too, when it’s occasional. People tend to trust such people because it creates an impression of genuineness and non-Machiavellianism. But then some people are crafty but fake the clueless-klutz act; those are doubly-Machiavellian. ^.^

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  191. Still waiting to see Bloom’s score :-p

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  192. Liz says:

    Mike’s score:
    Narc: 2.3 (30 percent)
    Mach: 1.1 (4 percent)
    Psych: 1 (3 percent)

    Less Mach than I am, slightly more narc…psych is a wash.
    🙂

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  193. Lol a couple of Care Bears, u 2 are :p

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