Why Didn’t They Tell Us?


FuzzieWuzzie stated on the last thread,

Boys enter puberty swimming in hormones and having two pair of left feet. From my parents, nothing. No advice, no sympathy, just blank stares.

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It’s like nature got us all dressed up for a party with no place to go.

FuzzieWuzzie is in his fifties.  I have heard many similar stories from men of that age.  What happened?

The short answer is that the world changed around them, and the parents did not realize it.  What had worked before – that is, for a man to develop his position in the world to signal that he might be a good provider, to be nice and dependable, etc. was no longer effective.  In the era when young women needed to find a provider, then this simple (but not at all effortless) approach was golden.

I am not so sure that I blame the parents of the time.  The people who really are to blame are those who changed the world, and more importantly, obfuscated the impact of those changes (media, I am looking at you).  Basically women were free to select for tingles or whatever else tickled their fancy.  Furthermore, they wanted the provider types to stay the way they are.  This were for two reasons for this it would seem,

1. Policing the Hierarchy 

“I think women lie to men about what really turns women on, perhaps because they are doing what Steve Moxon has written about. They are “policing the hierarchy”. They don’t want ordinary men to know, because knowledge is power. They would prefer that only elite men know these things and preferably that they know them intuitively. If every clueless guy is told the truth, it means that a man has been helped, who in the eyes of many women does not deserve to know. Women just expect men to know without being told.”

This is still going on today.  Recently Ian Ironwood deconstructed Amanda Marcotte,

That’s why Marcotte and feminists HATE it: Game works.

It works so well and so predictably that even formerly low-status dudes are picking it up and getting laid.  And that’s upsetting to feminists.

Marcotte makes the common mistake of projection, here, by not understanding that, to men, SEX IS A PRIMARY MOTIVATOR.  Sex is important to men in ways that it is not important to women.

Being a “better man” who doesn’t get laid as much just doesn’t jive with the common perceptions of masculinity anywhere outside of the celibate branches of the Catholic Church.

The basis of Marcotte’s argument is that we evil PUAs of the Manosphere will convince you that girls really don’t like “nice guys”, based on nothing more than careful observation and evidence. That’s because feminism’s essential hypergamous strategy involves sidelining “nice guys” during a woman’s peak reproductive years until said woman has an “epiphany” about her exploding sexuality, a couple of tattoos, and a whole lot of regrets.  THEN she needs a “nice guy” who finally thinks he’s getting his turn, when in fact he’s getting the lean leftovers from someone else’s party.

This is the famed “Alpha Fux/Beta Bux” strategy underlying Hypergamy (above).  After insisting that women don’t follow this strategy in listicle #2,Marcotte turns around and encourages men to actively conform to the “Beta Bux” side of the equation . . . not because feminism wants there to be a lot of nice guys around to be nice to women and buy them things (although that certainly SEEMS to be her message) but because feminism doesn’t want every dude in the world to start suddenly ACTING like a “bad boy”, because then they can’t tell who the real bad boys are and who are the dudes who just learned decent Game.

That’s a serious problem for women in general, I won’t deny – when you can’t tell the good providers from the bad providers, the good physical specimens from the bad physical specimens, it’s really hard to make a decent mating selection about the father of your children.

2. General Exploitation.

Somebody is needed to make civilization work with little fuss.  These are the provider types.  Furthermore it is good to know that there will be one there if one needs such a fella to marry.  And finally, to provide fun dates as described in the Ian Ironwood post,

In this directive, Marcotte attempts to be the fish giving advice to the fisherman, but what she’s actually doing is Beta-shaming and attempting (a bit desperately) to convince Betas that they just need to “be themselves”.  “Real” confidence (and Marcotte is some sort of expert, apparently) is elusive to the poor AFCs struggling with women, so instead of trying they should just be the bumbling walking wallets she expects them to be happy playing, and be self-deprecating about their “flaws” to boot.

Rarely have I seen such a blatant attempt to force clueless Betas back in their box.  The shaming, the pre-rejection, the purposeful undermining of key issues like Abundance Mentality, Male Self-Worth, and Masculine Sexuality is textbook FI/feminism wish fulfillment in the dating realm.  It’s purpose IS NOT TO HELP MEN HAVE BETTER DATES.  The purpose is pretty clearly to MAKE MEN BETTER DATES FOR WOMEN.  

So we can see that it seemingly is in women’s best interests to hide the new situation.  Of course, this would be only in their interests in the short term.  And it really isn’t in their best interests at all even then, though they can’t see it.

P.S.  After searching to the ends of the earth, I found a picture of FuzzieWuzzie. Double click on him to see him in all of his glory.

FuzzieWuzzie2

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72 comments on “Why Didn’t They Tell Us?
  1. Farm Boy says:

    It would seem that we need to do a bit better in coordinating our posts. I had this post scheduled yesterday. Perhaps we should use writer’s corner more?

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  2. Tarnished says:

    I agree with most of what is outlined above, but have one question regarding it:

    Do women actively perpetuate this? In other words, is this conscious or subconscious? Perhaps our older commenters with more experience under their belts have some wisdom to share…

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  3. Liz says:

    “Do women actively perpetuate this? In other words, is this conscious or subconscious? Perhaps our older commenters with more experience under their belts have some wisdom to share…”

    Wait a minute…wait a minute thar missy. Let me get to my walker…turning up the hearing aid now….hold on. Okay. What was that now? Damn this memory. 😛

    I don’t think women actively perpetuate “this”. Well…the “go girl” in the media part, definitely, but not the purposeful evasiveness about “what women like. They don’t actually know what they like, or why they like it. And often, they’ll change their mind on a dime if and when they get what they say they wanted. Those lists of “things” she needs in a man, though she will swear up and down are treu, are like the equivalent of toilet paper. Completely discardable.
    Heck…it happened to me, my husband at the time had about three major disqualifiers on my mental checklist. I changed my list.

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  4. The trouble is they’re all good posts…and my one.

    One could be rescheduled quite easily to pop up in a day’s time…

    I didn’t write a candidate for rescheduling, so I’d rather step back

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  5. Farm Boy says:

    Do women actively perpetuate this? In other words, is this conscious or subconscious?

    Why not both?

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    Wait a minute…wait a minute thar missy. Let me get to my walker

    Is that you Hillary?

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    Is that a walker?

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  8. Liz says:

    I think it is a walker! And that stuff around her neck…looks like teeth! (must be her spares)

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  9. Farm Boy says:

    I am thinking that this is a rich topic. There could be more posts that flow from this.

    We, as whole, need to explain all.

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    They don’t actually know what they like, or why they like it.

    Is that true? Or is that evasiveness?

    Perhaps they know what they like. Then realize that is not what they should like. And then bring in the hamster to referee.

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  11. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Whether it is unconscious or conscious, the effect is the same. Someone is getting the short end.

    Afew weeks ago, The Private Man had a post on Marry, F^ck, Kiill. When men play, Marry would be the toughest to qualiy for. With women, Marry would be the consolation prize for a beta. Deti, in a comment, got a college girl claamate to admit that there are men to have fun with and men to marry. She said that he was the marrying kind.

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  12. Farm Boy says:

    got a college girl classmate to admit that there are men to have fun with and men to marry.

    It was probably kind of like this,

    “When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”

    ― Sheryl Sandberg, Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead

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  13. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    It is ironic that Sheryl Sandberg, having lost her husband, will be back to dating, once past mourning. I wonder if she will change her tune? She will not be very happy with the dating market, it has gotten a lot worse than when she last dated.

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  14. Farm Boy says:

    Fuzzie Bear,

    She is rich. There are many guys who will tolerate much for the sake of money.

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  15. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I had overlooked that. That is going to make things much more complicated. To begin with, she’ll want someone of equal or more staus and wealth. That will limit her to the point where it may not be possible.

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  16. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I just double clicked on my image in the post. You must have added it after I had read it.
    I am honored! For those who couldn’t place the music:

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  17. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    On another thread, SfcTon linked this. It adds to Cill’s argument that things are getting out of hand.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3071749/Man-raped-gunpoint-THREE-women-collect-semen-cooler-box-steal-South-Africa.html
    This is going to be hard for investigators. This whole thing is batshit insane.

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  18. Liz says:

    Farmboy: “Is that true? Or is that evasiveness?”

    I think it’s true. They don’t know what they like, or why they like it. They only know what they like when they see it.

    Women (99.9 percent of them) might think about relationships all the time but they’re seldom (basically never, with some very very unusual exceptions) introspective enough to consider why they think what they do. They just know they like it, not why…that’s why if/when the relationship goes south they’ll often attribute it to a “lack of communication” or “He doesn’t respect me enough to put the cap on the toothpaste” or something else that isn’t the problem.

    Fuzzie: “Deti, in a comment, got a college girl claamate to admit that there are men to have fun with and men to marry. She said that he was the marrying kind.”

    I think that’s 100 percent societal. That only happens en masse (there have always been tarts and prostitutes, but when they’re shunned they do not proliferate) in an environment where that sort of behavior is acceptable. They want the “sexual freedom” that men have, and it has been a traditional paradigm that men have fun with the bad girls and marry the good ones. They don’t realize this ruins them.

    The media perpetuates this societal conditioning all that time on sitcoms, ect. There’s actually no other paradigm…I can’t think of the last time I saw an actual chaste girl on television. And if and when anyone is chaste, it’s like she’s some joke punchline hoping to get out of her sexless slump.

    There was a recent Mad Men episode where Peggy took a guy home on a date. Here is the dialog:
    P: “I thought you were a fling, but now I think you might be more. I don’t want to sleep with you the first day we met…”

    Him: “You’re so old fashioned.”

    P: “I’ve tried new fashioned.”

    Him: “You really want me to go?”

    Aw…how romantic. Too special to screw on the first date. Unlike, all those many many other guys who weren’t so special.

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  19. SFC Ton says:

    Fuzzie, stuff like that in Africa isn’t all that rare. It has to do with like their version of witch craft. It is impossible to understand how fucked up Africa is until you have been there, and not to the tourist spots

    Also, saying what’s her name will be dating once she stopped morning implies she is morning. Dealt with enough widows to know most don’t morn at the loss of life but are worried about their future. Your dog will miss you longer then your widow

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  20. Liz says:

    Sandberg is the equivalent of a sneeze in the middle of a SARS wing at the hospital. She isn’t the disease, just one small example of a symptom. When girls are receiving the “have fun with some boys, marry others” message all the time, of course they’re going to internalize it. They’re natural followers.

    (for men it’s shifted to 180 now…God forbid they carry on that old, tried and true method now that everyone is a skank, no one is)

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  21. missattempts says:

    Well, women want protection AND excitement don’t they? It seems like a contradiction.
    Nowadays, the protection/security part can come from the government if needs must.
    But they also want stimulation and excitement. That can come from the “bad boy.”
    The government is doing to mainstream people, what it did to the social underclass,
    making them dependent for votes. I know many people who voted for Obama
    precisely because of promised handouts as they will for Hillary. It has to get much
    worse before it gets better. Stark acts of terror on every street corner, like the
    murder of the solider that occurred in broad daylight last year.

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  22. Yoda says:

    Sandberg is the equivalent of a sneeze in the middle of a SARS wing at the hospital.

    Like Typhoid Mary she is.
    Seemingly affected by disease not,
    yet spreads it with abandon she does.

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  23. Yoda says:

    Sandberg one good point she has.
    Admit truth she does.
    Why this would be?
    Perhaps women so much power they have,
    that no longer hide it they must.

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  24. Yoda says:

    stuff like that in Africa isn’t all that rare.

    Africa, the normal state of humanity it is.
    Have or produce something of value one does,
    then prepare to have it seized one should.
    The Western world an abberation from this it is.
    People realize this not.

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  25. Liz says:

    ” When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”

    Nothing better or sexier than equalship, she says. True this is not.

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  26. Liz says:

    What does she say, exactly, that is so “true” and against the current bromide? I don’t see it.

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  27. Yoda says:

    Women (99.9 percent of them) might think about relationships all the time but they’re seldom (basically never, with some very very unusual exceptions) introspective enough to consider why they think what they do

    Impressive this would not be.
    Ms. Sandberg help the situation she does not.

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  28. Yoda says:

    What does she say, exactly, that is so “true” and against the current bromide?

    Equality is the issue not.
    Tingles Uber Alles is (until it is not)

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  29. Yoda says:

    Nothing better or sexier than equalship, she says. True this is not.

    Being a women’s kitchen bitch generates tingles not.

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  30. Yoda says:

    Ms. Sandberg Sammich making therapy she does need.

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  31. I hope someone notified Ranger Rick about that Walker. He’ll know what to do.

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  32. Yoda says:

    Do what he will?

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  33. Liz says:

    “I’ve tried to talk him into getting separate bedrooms for years, and he refuses.”

    That’s so strange and sad. Not good for sure. 😦
    I can’t imagine she’s very fun to live with.
    And then that bit about wanting to leave everything and run away…I’ll bet her husband had that feeling a time or two or perhaps 500+ while working to support the family! What she needs is a job. A really difficult one that makes her go home and cry at night. Then she’ll MORE than appreciate being home with her husband.

    The one with the graduate who was “hoping someone would throw her a little party” was weird, too. Oh, I’m so let down graduating without anyone throwing me a party….I didn’t even go to my graduations (except for the nurse capping ceremony, and I only went so as not to let others down I couldn’t care less myself).
    People are strange.

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  34. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    It would not suprise me if there are a lot of seperations once the nest is empty.

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  35. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz at 11;43am,
    That story, taken from Mad Men, is somewhere I have been. The boy proves himself to be more virtuous and worth long term. Then, he hegets the short end. How many of can say “Been there, done that.”.

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  36. @ fuzzie I do hear empty nest separations are the female equivelant of the male mid life crisis. In both cases, a red sports car and online dating are not the answer…

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  37. I clicked on the dear prudence link. Wow. I wonder how she’d feel about being alone and facing cancer or some other crisis where a devoted life mate that she seems so ready to jettison comes to pass? Careful what you wish for, lady!

    Look, no doubt being married day after day has its own particular challenges but as a single mom her age who would gladly trade places w her “so comfortable i need to create drama situation” it’s hard to feel sympathy except this – go to the other coast and live it up sista! Go girl! eat, pray, loce! I’ll take care of your steady Eddie, and even gladly (gasp!) sleep in the same bed all cuddled up to him. But don’t bother to call us when your car breaks, or you need help moving, or your scheme falls apart. Cause all you’ll hear by then is, “here’s a quarter, call someone who cares…”

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  38. P.s I did not mean for that to sound bitter, it’s just I hear this sort of thing from women irl way too often, and it just floors me! How about some gratitude, sista? Maybe think about what HE might want or need too, instead of just your sophilistic self? Seriously?

    Ok, that sounded bitter too probably. I just wish these silly bittys getting ready to implode their life and family could see what they are really asking for!

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  39. Liz says:

    ” I did not mean for that to sound bitter, it’s just I hear this sort of thing from women irl way too often, and it just floors me! How about some gratitude, sista? Maybe think about what HE might want or need too, instead of just your sophilistic self? Seriously?”

    You don’t sound bitter, Bloom. It’s true. Strange how many people (women especially) actively choose to create problems for themselves. They just have no appreciation for what they have. That’s why I suggest this woman needs a really unpleasant job to switch her focus. Comparison is the thief of joy, they say….but if the alternative is much worse, it can actually bring you joy. This is why celebrity kids are virtually always messed up. Awful foundational values coupled with a totally coddled existence from birth.

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  40. Liz says:

    Oops…looked like I linked to my comment. Scroll up! That’s the beautiful post. 🙂

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  41. SFC Ton says:

    What the fuck are you thinking woman?!?!?! In all cases a red sports car and dating is the answer…. just not online dating or effeminate European “sports” cars.

    They make great luxury sedans but their sports cars are tame and boring.

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  42. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz and Bloom,
    Please keep telling these would be Greta Garbos that they are full of beans.

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  43. Yoda says:

    Please keep telling these would be Greta Garbos that they are full of beans.

    Leads to gas this does.

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  44. Liz true re comparison. One gal I know who complains steady about her man, even tho she’s a sahm and hasn’t worked in 16+ years, wi start going on a out leaving him. One day I said, “yeah you should go get a full time job, put the kids in day care, get it all set up.” That thought stopped her in her tracks! 😉 she’s been not complaining lately, hopefully she’s starting to rethink the fantasy of life on her own being so hunky dorey!

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  45. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Is this the one with four kids, two hersand two theirs?
    If she keeps reverting to this fantasy, she my get her wish. Then, she is going to need a whole lot of help.
    From what you have said before, she couldn’t ask for a more dedicated hubby.
    While tryting to think of an appropiate word for her, I am remided of the rooster. Same level of cognition.

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  46. missattempts says:

    “Hostage To The Devil,” by Malachi Martin. READ IT! That way, a lot of MGTOW
    issues could be resolved.
    We don’t need another Eliot Rodgers.

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  47. The question Yoda mentioned (What if Islamic terrorists attacked a gay wedding) is a scenario that has crossed my mind before also.

    I saw this video–music a bit loud, but it’s cute! My fav is the fire-eating baby. :p

    https://screen.yahoo.com/16-kids-having-worse-birthday-234729758.html

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  48. Tarnished says:

    Hey all!
    Just wanted to take a minute and say Happy Mother’s Day to our resident commenting mums. Still a bit too busy as of late to stay, but I would’ve been terribly remiss in not acknowledging Liz and Bloom’s hard work raising the next generation. 💐

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  49. missattempts says:

    We got em kitty. We got em kitty.

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  50. Liz says:

    Thanks Tarn! 🙂

    (we’ve missed you)

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  51. Liz says:

    “We got em kitty. We got em kitty.”

    Should I ask?

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  52. Tarnished says:

    Thanks, Liz. 🙂

    Um. Are you alright there, Missattempts? What’s going on?

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  53. Thanks Tarn 🙂

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  54. theasdgamer says:

    Pain In the A$$ shows up, screws up my evening

    I was out country dancing recently. A woman I know was there and she apologized for missing a meetup with me and wanted my cell no. (I didn’t remember the meetup, lol.) So I gave her my cell no. We danced some and had a good time. Nice emotional connection. (She’s a sweet girl, follows me well when dancing, classy, nice figure, feminine.)

    In walks PIA (Pain In the A$$). She had said that she wouldn’t be there, then she showed up anyway. Fakk me! Screws up my vibe. Wearing a slutty dress–have never seen her show so much skin before. She asks me to dance and I plead that I need a rest. I don’t say, “Maybe later.” She sits one table away directly in front of me. I sit out the dance because I really need a rest. I chat up my woman friend to my left and that gets Trouble out of my field of vision. I dance with a lot of different women and PIA always manages to be in my path when the dance ends. I’m continually trying to avoid her. Didn’t dance with her all night. Unfortunately, that screwed up the rest of the evening with my other woman friend.

    I need to be more hard-@$$ with Pain in the A$$, heh. Just not GAF if she’s around. It’s just that when the Girl Squirrel wiggles her tail at the Boy Squirrel, it’s hard to ignore, lol.

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  55. SFC Ton says:

    LOL I constantly struggle not to sell everything but my favorite bike and guns, back the dogs and what not into the truck and head to West Va with a bag full of money and just hide out in the hills.

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  56. Spawny Get says:

    Ton, I wish i lived in a country that had that option.

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  57. SFC Ton says:

    LOL Apalachia is rugged. It took folks longer to find a way through them then the Rockies. The people are clanish, distrustful of the law and mind their own bidness, not to mention contemptuous of the law.

    It’s a good place to hide out and the kind of place insurgents can last forever despite being so close to the major east cost population centers. It’s my kind of place, full of my people and beautiful beyond words in a rugged yet hospitable sort of way.

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  58. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Happy Mother’s Day! Here is one of my ffavorites.

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  59. Farm Boy says:

    Well, Fuzzie Bear, your video has just bears.

    My video has hot women and bears. Much better

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  60. Liz says:

    Fuzzie’s bear video reminds me of a mama squirrel that ran through my organic chemistry lab long, long ago when I was at UF. The babies took off in every direction, climbing and jumping and she was frantically running around trying to round them up.

    It was both precious and tragic at the same time. After watching that I wondered how squirrels could ever manage to keep their offspring alive to adulthood at all…glad humans have them (usually) one at a time and it takes them a while to get that mobile….

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  61. Liz says:

    I felt sorry for those models in your video, Farmboy.
    They sure weren’t dressed for the weather! 😉

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    OH WOW

    I missed this at the time. You’ll all love this one

    promise

    a quote of a quote
    “feminists are now amongst the most obnoxious bigots”

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  63. theasdgamer says:

    I keep hearing about the Russian bear. I wanted to see those Russians bare.

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  64. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I got it to play. That was a very patient bear. I’ll bet he would have rather cozied up to girl bears. While they were good looking for humans, it’s not quite the same. 😉

    Liz,
    I think models are expected to do that a lot. However, that was exreme. Bathing suits in the midst of snow??? No wonder they wanted to cozy up to the bear. 🙂

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  65. theasdgamer says:

    The bear was probably thinking, “Why do those tasty snacks still have their food packaging on?”

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  66. Yoda says:

    New post there is

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  67. […] previously stated, it would seem that parents were/are deliberately kept in the dark with respect to relevant advice. […]

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