The Misters Are Doin’ It To Themselves


We men of the MGTOW world have a long list of grievances that are often laid at the feet of women’s libbers. Yet how far could any of these things -real or imagined- could have come about without the complicity of men?

Look at Saudi Arabia, a land where women are essentially property, and aren’t allowed to do much without a male “chaperone” to ensure that her public behavior remains suitably chaste and non-controversial. A land where it becomes international headline news when a group of them get car keys and drive through the streets of Riyadh protesting against restrictions against them driving. A land where the society accepts the outright murder by family males of any female who gets a little too uppity.

This last item is also embedded in the laws of Brazil, where a married man can kill his wife if she damages his honor as he defines it.

But in most of the rest of the world, these strictures aren’t part of the culture or legal system. Women have rights despite what some men in their society might feel. Each of these rights -most notably voting rights- was bestowed by the local male-dominated political structure, and the reasons for granting these rights vary. But grant them they did, and as in most cases of change, more was sought by the beneficiaries.

With female voting rights came a desire for increased female economic independence. Once again, men had to facilitate the entry of females into certain professions (I’m thinking specifically about teaching above primary levels) where it became possible for women to make a living for themselves without the need of a male supporter. We constantly discuss the ramifications of that societal change on these pages, so I won’t belabor them.

Now it comes out in the Washington Post that men might well be their own enemies in the growing domestic battles which spawned MGTOW.

It seems -according to a study conducted by Maria Shriver, founder of A Woman’s Nation– that while an undefined majority of men expect their domestic partners to be “attractive” and “sweet” women, the attitudes these men hold about their daughters is the polar opposite. Men want and expect their daughters to be strong and intelligent. The sons of these men end up having a society of Lena Dunhams from which to select life partners, and none of the sons are prepared for what that entails.

The Shriver Report Snapshot: An Insight Into the 21st Century Man discussed these issues with 881 men, and found that 4 of 9 men feel life is much harder for them than it was for their fathers, and these men attribute this to the increase in women’s rights in the workplace. 30% of respondents felt that this has led to a decrease in their personal confidence.

Men feeling the pressures of changes in the workplace would be very sensitive. Blaming women for the management-directed increases in automation, and the breaking down of work processes into their most simplest components so that cheaper labor (as women have traditionally been) can do them, is a logical if misdirected reaction while not an accurate one. It’s far easier to lash out at a physically weaker rival than it is to take on the nerds and geeks, who look down on the jocks who abused them in high school now that these same jocks are under their corporate thumbs. With economic power comes the ability to buy physical force to “keep things under control”. As long as men can be directed away from rebelling against the corporate execs who run rampant across the world, even if this means tacitly accepting domestic and gender-based violence as their frustration outlets, the elites can revel in the money earned of the sweat of lower-class brows. More champagne? Don’t worry about those women. They are intelligent enough to hire lawyers to divorce their abusers – IF they are strong enough to act!

Men are tired of many things, and are generally physically tired after putting in a full day. Their futures have little pleasurable to look forward to, and the idea of actually living long enough to stop working for a living is but a pipe dream to too many. The last thing they want when they get home is conflict. They expect their sons to graduate from the School of Hard Knocks, and if this study is to be believed, they now encourage their daughters to follow that same path.

The mothers are all over this with their support. 60% of women work, and two-thirds of the survey respondents said they were OK with this. Half of the respondents even revealed that their distaff sides made more than they did.

Yet they complain that their confidence is lacking.

To me, this report (if accurate) indicates that men don’t play the game anymore. They are giving up their position as head of the house, because it isn’t a position they can claim and defend. No respect is forthcoming for the effort. The more militant of MGTOW seek to reverse this, but maybe direct attack isn’t the right way to restore a way of life which has expired.

Hence the growing numbers of young men who have found better things to do with their lives than to expend them supporting a family, which takes all they have. I, for one, fully understand why gaming is far more appealing than a Lena Dunham, especially when one’s employment prospects don’t provide enough income to do more than deliver one’s share of the rent and utility costs. No young man of any sense is going to believe that life is better with a wife, because they saw what their fathers went through, and they want no part of that. YOLO!

I seriously doubt that my generation’s fathers acted from anything more than self-interest when promoting strength and intelligence to their daughters, our wives. They certainly didn’t prepare us, their sons, for the changes they were pushing. Nor could they have seen the external societal and economic pressures we younger men were going to face as our fathers retired and expired. But in doing so, did they open a door for us to be more than just a salaryman, or a wage slave? Did they provide us with the chance to have a life, and to do things with it, that was denied to them once they took on domestic responsibilities?

I say they did, and to ignore this is to do a disservice to our sons. We need to encourage them to be strong and intelligent as our fathers did for our sisters. We need to teach them what “traditional” life means, and what it costs to attempt it in a world increasingly hostile to mere humans – and I’m not talking environmental conditions or climate change even if they are involved. I’m talking about a global economy which increasingly has no use for humans. When half of the world now attempts to survive on less than $2 US a day, why would any young man do more than enjoy life to the best of his ability?

Marriage is a trap, and not even giving up everything a man has will let him escape, His best strategy is to avoid the whole mess altogether and to attend to his own needs in a world which increasingly makes life too difficult to take on dependants. To survive, he has to go his own way.

If women are as smart and strong as this survey wants to believe, they’ll deal with it. They’ll stop complaining that “suitable” men don’t want to play House with them, because they are intelligent enough to see why this is.

If not, oh well! Welcome to equality!

Advertisements
Posted in Uncategorized
152 comments on “The Misters Are Doin’ It To Themselves
  1. Tarnished says:

    Marriage is a trap, and not even giving up everything a man has will let him escape. His best strategy is to avoid the whole mess altogether and to attend to his own needs in a world which increasingly makes life too difficult to take on dependants. To survive, he has to go his own way.

    Yes. One can attempt to push or cajole another into marriage/commitment, saying they are irresponsible for not “doing their part” to fix the issue or making stabs at them for being “perpetual adolescents”. However, for most people the desire for self-preservation will override these shaming techniques.

    If women are as smart and strong as this survey wants to believe, they’ll deal with it. They’ll stop complaining that “suitable” men don’t want to play House with them, because they are intelligent enough to see why this is.

    On the nose, Blurkel. Unfortunate that we aren’t finding this is the case, eh?
    A very small minority also have no motivation to “play house” either, and shall simply refuse to be hypocritical of men who likewise don’t want to play. Strangely enough, this drive to actually be financially stable, unwillingness to see men as providers, and ability to be happy in singlehood means these women would likely be good partners…if it wasn’t for the fact they are not looking for one. Irony at it’s finest.

    If not, oh well! Welcome to equality!

    The thing feminists tend to forget is that equality is not always beneficial. Sometimes it is, but in other instances it makes life harder or at least not as cushy. Yet they insist on believing…somehow…that males still have more rights, whilst simultaneously ignoring female privilege. Or worse, labeling it as “beneficial sexism” and denying the possibility that the “rights” they yet seek are simply the male side of this.

    When one is unable to have empathy for others, particularly those who are different in a noticeable way, it seemingly becomes that much easier to paint oneself as a perpetual victim rather than just another person dealing with what life has dealt.

    Liked by 2 people

  2. Yoda says:

    Blurkel,

    Farm Boy with his computer troubles thanks you.
    Good post this is.

    Liked by 3 people

  3. Tarnished says:

    For anyone who hasn’t seen it yet, Age of Ultron was awesome. The took a few liberties with the movie that definitely go against the comics…but after seeing some of the trailers for their upcoming movies, it makes sense.

    Like

  4. Yoda says:

    How one should raise daughters?
    A good question this is.

    Liked by 1 person

  5. Yoda says:

    For anyone who hasn’t seen it yet, Age of Ultron was awesome.

    See this I will.
    Even though from a different galaxy it is.
    The Hulk like I do.
    Verde he would be.

    Liked by 2 people

  6. Yoda says:

    The Shriver Report Snapshot: An Insight Into the 21st Century Man discussed these issues with 881 men, and found that 4 of 9 men feel life is much harder for them than it was for their fathers, and these men attribute this to the increase in women’s rights in the workplace

    Married up Maria did.
    One needed to be a rich Toominator before look she would.
    Kyle Reese or a young John Conner, never a chance with her they would have.

    Liked by 1 person

  7. Liz says:

    Well, I wouldn’t have kids outside of marriage…so I guess I’d never have had children if men all lived under the “no marriage, deal with it” paradigm. Nor would women who are like me. But the baby mammas still would so there’s that….

    Liked by 3 people

  8. Yoda says:

    I, for one, fully understand why gaming is far more appealing than a Lena Dunham

    But she cares not.
    At least for now this case is.

    Like

  9. Yoda says:

    If women are as smart and strong as this survey wants to believe, they’ll deal with it. They’ll stop complaining that “suitable” men don’t want to play House with them, because they are intelligent enough to see why this is.

    But hamsters they have.
    And media feed the hamsters they do.

    Like

  10. Tarnished says:

    How one should raise daughters?

    Sons and daughters should be raised realistically. I’m glad that our current lifespans mean children can (theoretically) stay children for longer, but it has led to a rather idiotic concept of “there’s always more time”.

    Always more time to have kids.
    Always more time to get that degree.
    Always more time to date.
    Always more time to change majors.
    Always more time to get serious about a career.

    Constant procrastination is not productive…in any aspect of life. Boys *and* girls should be given more information and direction in their adolescent ages, so they can at least attempt to weigh the pros and cons of singlehood vs marriage, career vs family, being a stay at home parent vs bringing home the bacon, having kids vs not.

    There’s so many decisions that actually are time sensitive in long run, and both sexes should be reminded of this so they get used to planning for the future. Whether this means deciding to be a stay at home dad, or a perpetually single career woman, or a child free couple who travels a lot…that’s up to the individual(s). But if a choice is made early on in life, goals become that much clearer and easier to attain.

    Liked by 3 people

  11. Liz says:

    “Boys *and* girls should be given more information and direction in their adolescent ages, so they can at least attempt to weigh the pros and cons of singlehood vs marriage, career vs family, being a stay at home parent vs bringing home the bacon, having kids vs not.”

    They are given information…it’s just incredibly biased information. But truly in a cold, hard assessment of the facts there is little to be gained by becoming a parent (on paper). Children are resource intensive and require a great great deal of personal sacrifice. These fathers who want “strong independent daughters”, too, are responding to disincentives/incentives. They’re afraid their daughters will become dependent on someone untrustworthy. My father didn’t raise me that way, but if he had been 20 years younger and from a newer generation he might have. My mother sure made marriage and family at a young age seem like a very bad deal.

    Liked by 3 people

  12. I have always been wary of Maria shrivner… Not sure why…

    Liked by 1 person

  13. Tarnished says:

    They are given information…it’s just incredibly biased information.

    This would appear to be worse than no information at all.

    They’re afraid their daughters will become dependent on someone untrustworthy.

    A valid concern to have, but there are already many organizations in place to help women escape situations like this. Not so for men because “man up” or “you could have done better” is still the rallying cry of the day.

    Like

  14. Sumo says:

    I have always been wary of Maria shrivner… Not sure why…

    Maybe it’s because she looks like the Predator?

    Liked by 3 people

  15. Liz says:

    She has a really mannish-looking jaw, Maria.

    Liked by 1 person

  16. Liz says:

    “A valid concern to have, but there are already many organizations in place to help women escape situations like this. Not so for men because “man up” or “you could have done better” is still the rallying cry of the day.”

    If you had a daughter, would the above really give you peace of mind? Picturing her and kids huddled in a shelter or on government assistance? I have sons and I sleep pretty well. I wouldnt’ want to have daughters. The real solution to the marriage “problem” isn’t an end to marriage and society full of children spawned from baby mammas…it’s a change in marriage law, back to the old model. End no fault, many many of these problems disappear. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s about as good as it gets for fallible humans desiring to raise stable families (which benefit all of us) in a society filled with incentive traps.

    Liked by 1 person

  17. Liz says:

    Under the old paternal model, there is less incentive to have children out of wedlock (no automatic papa support), far more incentive to get married and stay married (kids belong to papa if he married her), and there’s a lot of stability and protection for the married mama.

    Liked by 3 people

  18. missattempts says:

    You’ve got it all wrong. Men and women were made for each other. They
    shouldn’t be adversaries. The FAMILY IS the ideal structure.
    The Godhead IS A FAMILY. “God” is comprised of a Father, Son, and various
    “Powers and Principalites.” (Angels, spirit beings etc…) (See A.S.K. Associates For
    Spiritual Knowledge)
    The reason why things went sour for man and woman is because the Devil deceived
    the whole world. He placed a rift between man and woman, to destroy the family.
    The man is suppost to be the head of his home, just as Christ is the Head of the Church.
    But we no longer have responsible men because mankind is a fallen race. To be
    reconciled to God, man (And woman) must accept Jesus Christ as their personal
    Savior.
    Jesus kept ALL the laws and lived a completely sinless life. He payed the penality for
    sin which is DEATH. Essentially, God Himself died for US. We are sinless now, but
    to durive the full effects, we must accept Christ as our Lord.
    Don’t worry about Hell. There is no ETERNAL HELL. Hell is death. But God will one
    day abolish hell, and all who have ever lived will return. It’s just a matter of timing.

    Liked by 3 people

  19. I would not think the end of marriage would be a good step forward for men or women. Certainly I have no issue with individuals opting not to marry, but for it to become an “outdated” concept altogether… I don’t think that would be an advance.

    Liked by 3 people

  20. poseidon740 says:

    missattempts:

    I didn’t know you are a Christian. Cool. So am I. Such a comfort that through faith in Christ we are forgiven for our sins. I suspect you have the spiritual gift of long suffering. I hope you spend time reading your bible. I used to read it very much. This past year I have really slacked off. I need to pick it up again. Perhaps I outta spend some time reading psalms as my attitude is getting a bit negative again.

    Liked by 2 people

  21. poseidon740 says:

    I predict that as the next couple of decades pass, even fewer will opt to marry. But I do not believe that marriage will die out. There will always be a chunk of folks that will want to marry. I believe in marriage. I tell my son that marriage is the best life style for the men and women that it works out for, but it is difficult if the marriage does not work out well.

    Liked by 4 people

  22. Tarnished says:

    Liz,
    Frankly, I’d be afraid to have kids nowadays…period. But if it came down to the wire, I’d be more concerned for my male children than my female children. Not because girls/women automatically have an easier life (that’s not the case), but because boys/men have to constantly be on guard for the types of trouble we talk about here.

    I think the old model is pretty good. Don’t agree with all of it (custody should *always* be shared except in extreme circumstances for example…none of this “her kids” vs “his kids” shite). But more stability for marriage would be a good thing.

    Missattempts,
    Why are we necessarily a “fallen” species?

    Liked by 1 person

  23. “Married up Maria did.
    One needed to be a rich Toominator before look she would.”

    It depends how u define marrying up. Maria is from the Kennedy family and unfortunately on this rock we call Earth, being born into certain families is enough to accord u a privileged position in the social hierarchy.

    Like

  24. Spawny Get says:

    Meeting in Writers’ Corner…

    Like

  25. poseidon740 says:

    80% of the participants are writers here

    Like

  26. Just wanted to share a random comment i saw on Evan’s blog (cos that’s what ADHD pple like me do when we’re “studying”). I don’t agree with it all (esp not the first sentence), it’s mostly the exasperated and fed-up tone that I found funny:

    “What a load of crap, Men do value intelligence in a woman, more so than beauty alot of the time, if I cannot have a decent thought provoking discussion my my partner, then what is the use in being with her?

    Women are just obsessed with image and thinking that men only want sex, men can get sex easily, men cannot find a decent woman to stay with easily.

    Reasons I have dumped some of my ex girlfriends (these will overlap slightly)

    – Not intelligent and down right annoying as hell due to stupidity.

    – Obsessed with how they look to a point where I really couldn’t give a crap how they looked anymore, completely irrational.

    – Absolutely nothing in common at all, they did “woman things” all the damn time, yes they are women, but come on. When every aspect of their life revolves around being a “woman” and not just a “human” its taking the piss. This is not a sexist comment either, men really don’t want to be with a woman who is completely obsessed with everything womanly and nothing that he likes.

    – Always trying to please me, I dont want pleasing 24/7, it gets annoying when you force things on me, then assume its because you are ugly if I decline. Tone it down abit, woman can have woman time, men can have man time. You are not in a relationship to spend every waking hour glued together, if you need woman time, go out with some girlfriends, I dont care how this girl looks, how they said this, or did that.

    – I dont want you asking me if you are beautiful every hour, did something change in the past 10 minutes? How damn insecure are women these days, if you need reassurence every day we are together, then why are we together? Accept the fact I chose you and stop panicking about it.

    – One girl confused me alot, she was the most uncleanest person you could meet, until it was time to go out into the world, then she spent hours making out she was the most beautiful thing ever. How can you go from not cleaning up at home and sitting with rubbish around you and not washing the pots and leaving underwear on the floor to becoming a beauty queen when out.

    – And finally, emotions, women are too complex, they over think everything, this is not some intelligence factor, its just that women are that obsessed with emotions and how they feel that men have no chance of ever pleasing them. A normal women is like the equivalent of a bipolar man. When women get that men don’t understand this stuff, maybe both parties can co-exist. The man is not hurting your emotions or some random crap, he just doesn’t understand or notice this complex pattern you call “obvious”. ”

    :p

    Liked by 5 people

  27. Yoda says:

    Star Wars Day this is.
    The farce is strong in SJWs it is.

    Liked by 2 people

  28. Cill says:

    Alana that’s a bloody good laugh. Yeah, he’s fed up all right. He’s had it up to the back teeth.

    Liked by 2 people

  29. Tarnished says:

    Yoda,
    May the Fourth be with you…and beware the Revenge of the Fifth tomorrow. 😉

    Alana,
    You *don’t* believe in men who value intelligent women as partners? 😕 😕 😕 I’ve known quite a few who openly state they’d greatly prefer a woman who is a 6 in looks but a 9 in intelligence over one who’s a 10 in looks but a 5 in brains.

    “Allergies to vapidness”, one of them calls it.

    Liked by 1 person

  30. Spawny Get says:

    A MGTOW Anthem for a rainy Bank Holiday Monday here in the UK

    Liked by 1 person

  31. poseidon740 says:

    Tarn, a 10 in looks with a 5 in brains, and if she is 100% loyal and without malicious behavior, then I would take that deal. And I do value intelligence in a woman, especially if we’re to spend our lives together. But a 10, without the brains, but mitigated with the rest I outlined….

    Like

  32. SFC Ton says:

    As I have said before, feminism isn’t driven/ wasn’t driven by alphas to get more ass. They were already getting ass.

    Feminism was driven by betas who did not want to do the hard work of leading and most often pulling women/ families into the right direction.

    Tarn, a 6 is still way do able for most men. See if he would go for a 3 with an IQ of a 198. What he is really saying is 6 is his minimum boner threshold

    The only sort of men who value a woman’s “intelligence” over her looks is the sort of dude who
    Can not pull hotter
    Is pulling hotter on the side
    Neutered.

    I still don’t see there is all that much to talk about with women.

    I tell my son marriage is the dumbest legal decision a man can get and if he marries he does so without my blessings and is on his own. I don’t do that unconditional love none sense

    The good book also says it’s better to live on the roof top then with an argumentative woman. Which rules out about 97%… & I might be overly generous given my good humor today.

    Liked by 4 people

  33. Hey Cill, Yeah I was laughing-out-loud when I first read it. :p

    Hi Tarn, I do believe many men value intelligence in partners–hey most of the ladies here are intelligent, and I think we are reasonably attractive to men. 😉
    But this part ” if I cannot have a decent thought provoking discussion my my partner, then what is the use in being with her?” is a viewpoint that some men don’t share. There are guys who don’t necessarily want to be intellectually challenged constantly by their partners, especially if the women are a bit too competitive or adversarial in how they do it, to the point that they lose their feminine touch. It’s more an issue with how that intelligence is expressed, rather than the intelligence itself, that some men find a turn off, IMO.

    But I agree with u on the “allergies to vapidness” part, for many men I don’t think their ideal woman is a complete bimbo. 🙂

    Liked by 1 person

  34. Liz says:

    Tarn, yeah it’s a tough world for raising children.

    I’m in favor of creating incentives that make good people who should have children want to do so (and creating disincentives for the opposite). That makes the kiddo environment better overall, and it’s less of an uphill battle to raise good kids (we can’t raise them in a bubble).
    The reality is, just as “This girl I just met at the club gave me a blow job in the parking lot!” is never going to be the equivalent of “I gave this guy I just met a blowjob in the parking lot!”

    So, too, will these things never be equivalent:
    Dad: “I decided to go on a deployment right after the baby was born. I was needed.”
    Mom: “I decided to go on a deployment right after the baby was born. I was needed.”
    I’d wonder about the mom’s priorities in the above scenario (I’ve known those women and they were always shite mothers), but I would not question the dad’s (I’ve known lots of those dads, and they were always great dads). It just is.

    We aren’t equal, the sexes, we have our own roles and functions.

    Liked by 5 people

  35. poseidon740 says:

    @ SFC Ton:

    “What he is really saying is 6 is his minimum boner threshold”

    I enjoy reading your style. I bet you are a very fun person to drink a beer with.

    Liked by 3 people

  36. SFC Ton says:

    My list is
    Attitude
    Looks
    Domestic skills.

    She only needs to be smart enough to follow my plan of attack. Girl#1 happens to fairly smart; licenced practical nurse and all but her profession etc was a non issue ( though I like having a nurse around as I get injured on the job regularly). Girl #2 is dumb as a box of rocks but a joy to be with. Both had to pass the boner test.

    Liked by 1 person

  37. Spawny Get says:

    Because I love her voice and it’s my favourite track of hers

    Probably because jealous woman thing, or something

    Liked by 2 people

  38. SFC Ton says:

    Thanks Poseidon but I’m your run of the mill old school salty NCO. Folks do seem to be amused by it though

    Being challenged? Fuck that. I get enough of that at work, in the gym, in the garage etc. Being home is about being at peace.

    I need to go on this deployment often means I will kill this bitch if I don’t get a break and hajjis, IED’s, rocket attacks etc are all more pleasant then my home life.

    Liked by 4 people

  39. Based on the conversation I had with my friend’s kids (college freshman) a few weekends back, the “hook up” culture is very much the way things are. Calling each other boyfriend or girlfriend is seen as passé. With that mindset I could see them thinking marriage is outdated, too. Hopefully not!

    Liked by 1 person

  40. Spawny Get says:

    And another anthem

    Liked by 2 people

  41. Cill says:

    “incentives that make good people who should have children want to do so (and creating disincentives for the opposite)”

    But Liz, what will become of all the roly poly mummas and their fugly bubbas and the roly poly bubbas the fugly bubbas will surely bubba up??

    Liked by 2 people

  42. Liz says:

    Alana: “Hi Tarn, I do believe many men value intelligence in partners–hey most of the ladies here are intelligent, and I think we are reasonably attractive to men.”

    Funny…when I first came to the sphere I asked my husband the question: “What would you have done if I was stupid when we met?”

    I can’t remember his exactly answer but it was something along the lines of, “I’d have done the same thing I did do…but sooner!”

    But, yeah, longterm I’m sure if I was a dumbass it would have grated on him…eventually.
    😛

    Liked by 2 people

  43. Spawny, I’m generally not a big rock fan, but Queen songs are awesome 🙂

    Like

  44. Lol Liz, that’s a funny witty answer from your husband. I believe he does value your intelligence though, secretly. :p

    Liked by 1 person

  45. Ton, what do you advise your daughter on marriage and kids? Is she married? And please don’t get me wrong, I sincerely am curious. 🙂

    Like

  46. Yoda says:

    Best Anne Lennox song this is,

    Liked by 3 people

  47. Cill says:

    Brains vs beauty in a woman ?

    Hmmm…

    Some of the strongest pulls of attraction are from women who are a couple of fingers short of a grip.
    XD

    Liked by 3 people

  48. poseidon740 says:

    Remember Queen’s, Fat Bottom Girls:

    Liked by 3 people

  49. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    May the Fourth be with you!

    Liked by 2 people

  50. I notice it seems none of the posts written on this blog has ever received a less-than-5-star rating. :p Lots of good writers and appreciative readers on this blog.

    [SG – ***** comment]

    Liked by 1 person

  51. Spawny Get says:

    “what will become of all the … fugly bubbas”

    It varies TBH, many grow up to have blogs where commentators insult them…

    Liked by 1 person

  52. Tarnished says:

    Scfton,
    Tarn, a 6 is still way do able for most men. See if he would go for a 3 with an IQ of a 198. What he is really saying is 6 is his minimum boner threshold

    I wouldn’t blame anyone for not wanting that. I know *I* certainly would not!

    Liz,
    Your husband is quite the comedian, lol. 😉
    As for the BJ example you gave…well, we already went over that same one at my blog sometime last year. I’m not one for double standards, so I’d be kinda grossed out by both the guy accepting random oral sex AND the gal giving random oral sex. I really don’t mean to sound sex negative (most here know that I’m not at all!) but making an act as intimate as sex into something as impersonal as, idk, ordering a drink, just squicks me out. I wouldn’t think badly of either a man or woman for doing so if it’s entirely consensual, but it is definitely never going to be my cup of tea.

    I say this with the full realization that probably every other commenter here will disagree and say that the guy should be praised and the gal should be shamed. However, it’s impossible for me to think that way. I’m cool with everyone else thinking that though. 🙂

    Alana,
    There are guys who don’t necessarily want to be intellectually challenged constantly by their partners, especially if the women are a bit too competitive or adversarial in how they do it, to the point that they lose their feminine touch. It’s more an issue with how that intelligence is expressed, rather than the intelligence itself, that some men find a turn off, IMO.

    Agree 100%. Thanks for the clarification.

    Liked by 2 people

  53. Spawny Get says:

    Oh the irony when one travels back to the years of one’s youth. It was teh leftoids that was complaining of persecution and demanding freedom of speech. The long march complete, now it’s eveyone else that needs to take care of what they ‘think’ (irony quotes)

    (still like the song though)

    30 years of shoveling money to despots in Africa (and the Monster in the South is no longer white…but doesn’t mean he’s gone)

    Liked by 3 people

  54. Padawan says:

    .
    Brains or Beauty? (by Padawan, Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)

    When in drought you’ve searched in vain
    And come into the garden
    Looks or brains cannot explain
    The power of the hard on

    Liked by 5 people

  55. Yoda says:

    Freddy Mercury looks like Moe he does

    Liked by 2 people

  56. thedeti says:

    I wasn’t going to comment on this, but felt I should.

    To make a long story short, there are three basic causes of this problem.

    1. Men of today and a generation ago have completely bought (and most still do) into feminist ideology. That includes the idea that men and women are exactly the same except for the plumbing. It also includes the idea that women can and should have “fulfilling” careers.

    2. As Liz said, it’s also pragmatism. It’s a result of dads being very, very concerned that their baby girls will need a career to “fall back” on — “what if you don’t get married? What if your hubs falls to one of the D’s (death/divorce/disability/drug addiction)? You need skills, Princess.”

    3. It’s also the Princess mentality — dad wants the very best for his girl, and that includes “fulfilling” careers AND marriage to a wealthy provider who she loves and is “good for her” AND children AND a 4 BR/2.5 colonial in the suburbs. In dad’s mind, she “deserves” it because she’s his little girl. And there’s pragmatism here too — he doesn’t want to be responsible for her well into her 30s. He wants her self-sufficient and out on her own and/or married off, so he won’t be financially responsible for her. Finally, there’s sincere love for her. Dad genuinely wants her to be happy and for her to have what she wants.
    _______________________

    My 15 year old daughter is being taught to seek out a good man as early as possible, and to lock him down by age 25. She is not being told to put off marriage; but instead to seek it out in earnest. I want her to market herself as a potential wife to the right man. She’s being told to find marriageable men she likes, can fall in love with, and can submit to as a wife, and to get married to the right man by age 25.

    I dismiss concerns that a girl can’t do this. I’m having absolutely NONE of this bullshit that it’s damn near impossible for a young woman to find a good man and get married. Bullshit. It’s not difficult at all. Be nice, be pretty, don’t get fat, be available. Keep your hair long, your weight down and your makeup on. Learn domestic skills like cooking, baking and cleaning, and basic housekeeping.

    I do not for one second believe that a reasonably attractive young woman is completely incapable of finding ONE — not even ONE — man who is willing to marry her and who she can fall in love with. Fuck that shit. If girls can find guys left and right to fuck them; if girls can find guys every other weekend to go home with; if girls can field texts and interest from available men every fucking day; then they can goddamn well find a few guys who are willing to marry them and then select from among their number.

    Do not tell me that a woman cannot find a man to marry her — not when we have 38 YO, even women in their early 40s, MARRYING FOR THE FIRST TIME. Do not tell me that a woman cannot find a man to marry her — not when a 33 YO, size 18 woman can get 18 messages on OKCupid. Do not tell me that a woman cannot find a man to marry her, not when she gets asked out on dates and rejects men left and right. I won’t hear it.

    Yes, pursue education. But let’s say you meet a man and he is 25 and you’re 20, and you will have to move with him to stay with him. Do you love him? Does he love you? Can you make a go of it? Do you want him and he you? Then get married, you go with him, and he will support you while you finish out your education somewhere else.

    It’s a young woman’s job to sell her man on the idea of marriage, and to show him that he should marry her, and why he should. It’s not his job to sell her on marriage or to show her he’d make a good husband. It’s his job to pursue his mission; it’s her job to show him why he should take her along for the ride.

    Liked by 3 people

  57. Yoda says:

    She’s being told to find marriageable men she likes, can fall in love with, and can submit to as a wife, and to get married to the right man by age 25.

    Good advice this is.
    Wisdom of the ages it would be.

    Liked by 1 person

  58. Liz says:

    “Yes, pursue education. But let’s say you meet a man and he is 25 and you’re 20, and you will have to move with him to stay with him. Do you love him? Does he love you? Can you make a go of it? Do you want him and he you? Then get married, you go with him, and he will support you while you finish out your education somewhere else.

    It’s a young woman’s job to sell her man on the idea of marriage, and to show him that he should marry her, and why he should. It’s not his job to sell her on marriage or to show her he’d make a good husband. It’s his job to pursue his mission; it’s her job to show him why he should take her along for the ride.”

    I think that is very very good advice.

    Liked by 2 people

  59. Spawny Get says:

    1984 was optimistic. Unleash the zombies…right now

    http://sheddingoftheego.com/?p=296

    Liked by 1 person

  60. Yoda says:

    Be nice, be pretty, don’t get fat, be available. Keep your hair long, your weight down and your makeup on. Learn domestic skills like cooking, baking and cleaning, and basic housekeeping.,

    “If you want to be happy for the rest of your life,
    You must learn how to be a good wife”

    Liked by 3 people

  61. Spawny Get says:

    You might want to put in a regular order for nappies…a shit load of them…to offset knowing me.

    Like

  62. Yoda says:

    The power of the hard on

    Cum right to the point you do

    Celine Dion sing this song does she not?

    Liked by 1 person

  63. Tarnished says:

    For once, I completely and utterly agree with thedeti abut something. Only a part, but hey… 😉

    It truly is not difficult to find a good man. I meet them everyday at my job…nice, decent, average looking, hardworking guys who are polite (if a little shy and/or short, which I find very attractive in a “protective” sort of way). Seriously, there’s 8 that are single and compatible with enough of my beliefs/ethics I can think of off the top of my head I’d happily ask out if I was looking for that kind of relationship.

    When we talk about all these women who post online or blog about “where have all the good men gone?”, it’s just pathetic.
    They are literally right there! In front of you!

    Liked by 2 people

  64. Yoda says:

    When we talk about all these women who post online or blog about “where have all the good men gone?”, it’s just pathetic.
    They are literally right there! In front of you!

    Blind as bat-shit crazy they would be.

    Liked by 3 people

  65. Tarnished says:

    Yoda,

    Makes one wonder exactly what a “good” man is to them, that they are so blinded to the ones around them…

    Liked by 2 people

  66. Yoda says:

    Keeping with the Queen theme and young women and their carouseling,

    Liked by 3 people

  67. Spawny Get says:

    Hey guys, you need to watch this one

    http://sheddingoftheego.com/?p=296
    pity those living in that reality…obviously some of it’s here already…and the rest merely a few years away.

    Glad I’m not a kid and that I don’t have any. Fuck this, good night

    Liked by 2 people

  68. Tarnished says:

    Goodnight!

    Like

  69. Liz says:

    Good night Swithy.

    After that warning, I’m in too good a mood to click that link…I’ll wait a bit. 🙂

    Like

  70. Liz says:

    I didn’t mean to imply the warning put me in a good mood…should have phrased that a little differently.

    Product of the US public school system, moi.

    Liked by 2 people

  71. Yoda says:

    Back on Planet Vegas I am.
    “Marriage Material” women here there are not.

    Liked by 1 person

  72. Liz says:

    “Back on Planet Vegas I am.”

    Maybe you can find the 1000 dollar a bottle of vodka bar! Apparently the thing has a revolving light that accompanies it so everyone knows you are the one with the 1000 dollar bottle…rather than those lesser, 400 or so dollar a bottle types….

    Liked by 2 people

  73. Yoda says:

    It’s his job to pursue his mission; it’s her job to show him why he should take her along for the ride.

    Read this before I might have,

    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2015/04/07/the-road-not-taken/

    Liked by 2 people

  74. Satan just put out a press release distancing himself from Amanda Marcotte. http://t.co/PaMg5wn9b0

    Like

  75. Probably rhyming slang
    Amanda Marcotte’s Nervous Titter (Double Feature)
    http://www.articlesformen.com/?p=25214

    Like

  76. No bottle of vodka is worth $1,000! That’s nuts!

    Like

  77. Or I mean…hey have you heard of my new company? We make high end vodka that costs $1,000 a bottle. But only the best people can afford it. Special people. It comes with this flashing light so everyone knows YOU are one of those people! (A topless girl to go with it is only $200 per half hour more!)

    Liked by 2 people

  78. Tarnished says:

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, Bloom. You won’t be getting my $1k *that* easy. I have some very important questions regarding this product.

    Now…
    What color is the light?
    😛 😉

    Liked by 1 person

  79. Cill says:

    And what color is the girl?

    Liked by 2 people

  80. Tarnished says:

    And if we order her services today, will she cosplay as a hot Twi’lek version of Darth Maul (aka Darth Talon)?

    Liked by 1 person

  81. Haters gonna…swallow their pride and their bile…and now say
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11581655/Vote-Ukip-where-Tories-cant-win-oldest-Conservative-think-tank-says.html
    Wucking fankers. Arses getting squeaky at Tory hq. But UKIP might lose votes up north (disenchanted Labour voters) if they’re seen as too close to spoonfaced Dave. Dave’n’gang why are you so fucking useless?

    Liked by 1 person

  82. Absolutely Tarn! Why we have assorted colors of lights, what color would you like? The girls also come in assorted colors, and indeed we can add on your Cosplay requests! It’s only a matter of $$$, no requests are too big! (Well except that I be the topless girl, I am the madam, ahem I mean matchmaker only!)

    So who’s first? How many bottles would you like? Light color? Topless girl add on? Cosplay package? Step right up folks, don’t be shy! Limited and very exclusive quanties available, don’t miss out!!!

    Like

  83. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Maybe I’m old school.

    As for vodka being worth $1000 a bottle, didn’t PT Barnum have something to say?
    Oh yes. “This way to the egress.”

    Liked by 1 person

  84. blurkel says:

    @thedeti

    I respect the ardor of your comment, but I completely disagree, especially these thoughts:

    It’s a young woman’s job to sell her man on the idea of marriage, and to show him that he should marry her, and why he should.

    That is blatant manipulation, and is one of the major reasons MGTOW exists today. Women have said and done anything and everything to “convince” a man that he needs to marry her, including getting “accidentally” pregnant. and once the ring goes on and the mumbo-jumbo recited, all bets are off, and the Real Her emerges to take over from the decoy.

    It’s not his job to sell her on marriage or to show her he’d make a good husband.

    The very first thing women rate of potential male dates is what his earnings potential is. He doesn’t get anywhere with her unless and until his income suits her.

    It’s his job to pursue his mission; it’s her job to show him why he should take her along for the ride.

    Yeah, I heard this one a lot when I worked as a musician: “Take me along in the bus and I’ll do the laundry for you.” Until she discovered that it was a lot of work to hand wash some of our stage apparel. Then it came to a screeching halt, and she found herself near a phone booth to call someone to come get her.

    I’ve been married several decades, to the same woman, and it’s been the biggest mistake of my life. Every promise she made me was broken before we’d been wed a couple of years. I stay because I don’t want to end my life living under a bridge and collecting aluminum to recycle so I can eat. She Who Must Be Obeyed (watch Rumpole sometime) has to win every argument, or I get no sleep. One can’t work under that threat!

    Your advice would not get your daughter anywhere with my sons, and they came to the conclusion that marriage is a dead end without any active input on my part. They already know that they cannot support themselves well, much less anyone who “convinces” them to take her along. They have no desire to breed, for they don’t like the way the world is going and don’t want that life for their offspring. There is nothing a woman can offer them to offset that list.

    Liked by 1 person

  85. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    After reading that Amanda Marcotte double feature response by Ian Ironwood, it made me feel sick for all those years that I complied withBlue Pill/FI nonsense. Even our mothers are complicit.

    Liked by 1 person

  86. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    The sincerest flattery.

    I needed this. That Ian Ironwood writes something in opposition to Amanda Marcotte and it promotes MGTOW was clearly not intended.

    Liked by 2 people

  87. Cill says:

    Brother Blurkel, I was hoping we’d be here simultaneously so I could say: good to see you again! Good post too. Can’t keep a good man down, bro B.

    Liked by 2 people

  88. blurkel says:

    Thanks Bro Cill! I missed being around while I had to deal with the real world. I’m attempting to catch up with all the changes that happened while I was off.

    Liked by 1 person

  89. @ fuzzie good one – but it cuts out before the end! Did he, or didn’t he?

    Like

  90. ” blue keel I am sorry to hear you have been feeling like this for so long! Do you still play music? Have hobbies? Something that brings you joy? All work and no play is not good… Sounds like some much needed burkel time is in order!

    Liked by 2 people

  91. Tarnished says:

    Blurkel,

    It’s his job to pursue his mission; it’s her job to show him why he should take her along for the ride.

    This is one of the sections that rubbed me the wrong way as well, for two reasons;

    1. The way it is written necessarily means that the man’s “mission” is the only one that matters…or at least matters more to the point that it is more important than either her own OR their combined “mission” of creating a healthy and successful marriage. This absolutely can work for some (perhaps even a majority of) couples, but smacks of potential narcissism and arrogance towards one’s supposed beloved.

    2. Precisely as you stated above, it is not so fair to the man either. Gone are the days when a boy *must* grow into a suitable workhorse. With MGTOW or FwB, men can be content and happy doing what they enjoy, either in singlehood or with women who also crave freedom in the same way they do. Men should not be pressured into relationships with those who would potentially manipulate them into carrying their combined weight/taken along for the ride, rather than being willing to help with the lifting/offer to drive when he is weary.

    Liked by 1 person

  92. Cill says:

    lol Bloom, any auto edit that turns Blurkel into “blue keel” really does need an overhaul… or a quick trip to Davy Jones’ Locker.
    😀

    Liked by 1 person

  93. blurkel says:

    re: Amanda Marcotte and the response by Ian Ironwood

    I am not an MRA, as I am one who doesn’t feel like my rights are under assault by feminists. You may feel as differently about this as you wish. I can still do pretty much what I want, as long as I’m willing to pay the price of strife with the wife. As I understand things, this has been the case for all married men since long before feminism was even a vague idea. Nothing women con out of weak men affects me directly at all unless I did the con allowing.

    As for Marcotte’s other target, PUAs, it’s my considered opinion that men need to leave all the women they find in the Friend Zone. Letting women into your life as more than friends is asking for trouble – and you’ll get it by the ton! So let them watch “Girls” or “Sex and the City” while you go do something you find enriching and rewarding.

    Someone above made an interesting connection which needs to be addressed. Just because I advocate not marrying doesn’t automatically imply that reproduction is to happen anyway. There are over 7 billion people in the world right now. Half of these will live their entire lives in deep poverty, surviving somehow on less than $2 US a day. Ever try this yourself? If not, you have much to understand.

    As corporatism spreads, more and more people will end up in these dire straits. There isn’t enough to keep one’s self functional on this mortal coil. How does one provide for dependants? One can’t. Food is increasingly difficult to find or afford, and water is rapidly surpassing food as a problematic vital need.

    Therefore, as marriage is seen as the primary requirement for reproduction, there is no need to marry if one cannot afford to bring children into this world. Those who do anyway deserve the experiences they will have.

    Like

  94. blurkel says:

    In response to RedPillGirl’s questions:

    Do you still play music?

    At the moment, I do not. I stopped caring to perform when it became clear that my artistry fell upon deaf ears. (see: rap and Miley Cyrus in particular) I am not interested in playing pop tunes, and there are too few aficionados of fusion and electric jazz to even consider forming another band. I retain my instrument, so I’ll never say never, but it’s not looking good.

    Have hobbies?

    Other than my grandkids, you are reading the one I still practice.

    Something that brings you joy?

    When time permits.

    All work and no play is not good…

    I agree.

    Sounds like some much needed burkel time is in order!

    Right now, I grab what moments I can.

    Liked by 5 people

  95. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    That clip was take from the original pilot for Star Trek. I think they used it in season two as a two parter. The “Green Girl” is central to the plot. While it is a long way getting there, boy gets girl. It’s not on youtube but, the episode title is “The Cage”.

    Liked by 1 person

  96. Cill says:

    I’m glad you like to sojourn here when time permits, Brother B. So do I, although I was surprised to see on the blog stats recently that I have a low number of comments. I’d like to spend more time here too, it’s kind of therapeutic.

    Liked by 2 people

  97. poseidon740 says:

    “As for Marcotte’s other target, PUAs, it’s my considered opinion that men need to leave all the women they find in the Friend Zone. Letting women into your life as more than friends is asking for trouble – and you’ll get it by the ton! So let them watch “Girls” or “Sex and the City” while you go do something you find enriching and rewarding.”

    Considering reality, I reluctantly agree. I’ll either remain by myself with my son, or perhaps obtain a FwB deal. Either way, no biggie. I’ve got my hobbies and cool stuff.

    blurkel, you’ve got grandkids. Cool. I kinda hope my 15 year old son has a child someday so I can have a grandkid. He does want to have a child, but currently says he does not want to marry. He is smart.

    Liked by 1 person

  98. Cill says:

    By “low number of comments” I mean lowest of the top 6. I’d thought I was more garrulous than that.

    Liked by 1 person

  99. poseidon740 says:

    Fuzzie,

    I’m a Trekie. The green girl is from the 2 part pilot episode of Star Trek. That was before Captain Kirk. The Captain was Captain Pike, who would wind up in the futuristic wheel chair. But at the end he was able to live kinda in his mind with the aide of those aliens with the shaved heads and very large brains. Kinda like a blue pill utopia of sorts. Maybe Democratic Party voters have watched that blue pill utopia episode too many times; correlating to their choice of vote.

    Liked by 1 person

  100. blurkel says:

    Had I not been tied up, Bro Cill, I’d have raised your numbers!

    Liked by 1 person

  101. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Poseidon,
    I didn’t want to give too much away. That is a great episode. Bloom should watch it.

    Liked by 1 person

  102. @ blurkel I am not sure what area you live in but I would guess there is a market for that style of music. IIve in a rural area near a major metro area and own a small farm based biz. On Friday nights in the summer I host live music: blues, bluegrass, folk, funk, jazz, blues, even a New Orleans style jug band! Most are duos or trios, acoustic. It’s been very popular, I am going into the fifth season. There are also several monthly or even weekly open mic events in the area. So if you love doing it, not for the money but for the joy, there are perhaps similar opportunities in your area?

    One time I had a solo blues performer. A man who used to perform the harmonica but hadn’t for years bc of severe stage fright came to watch the music w his wife. Inspired by the music, he asked the performer if he could join in. You would have sworn they had played together for years, they harmonized so perfectly! His wife was in tears – she said she never thought he’d play in front of people again. He was walking on air by the end of the show. It was really cool! I hear he’s an open mic regular now! 😀

    Liked by 3 people

  103. poseidon740 says:

    @ Fuzzie:

    Maybe you outta take RPC to see it. Make a Trekie out of her. I understand she makes delicious sammiches as well.

    Liked by 3 people

  104. I do pay the musicians $150 for a three hour set, but gosh I know that’s nothing for all the time and energy they have spent on their craft. One regular musician toured w Willie Nelson and Gordon lightfoot for years. Another is an emmay award winning guitarist, plays a 12 strong. This year I am going to have a Celtic group for the first time! I have several talented youth performers under 18 who will do a short first set or maybe intermission. It’s fun!

    Liked by 2 people

  105. Tarnished says:

    *ears prick up*
    Celtic music?

    FuzzWuzz and Bloom should absolutely hang out, at least a few times… 😉

    Liked by 2 people

  106. Yoda says:

    Verde girls attractive they are.
    All agree on this they should

    Liked by 1 person

  107. blurkel says:

    Actually, RPG, the one of the biggest reasons I don’t play anymore is that my distaff half is ADAMANTLY opposed to my ever playing again. As I expect to sleep on a daily basis (trust me when I say being awake for 5 days straight is no fun!), it became too much trouble to even look for jam sessions and the like.

    Like I said above, I never said never. If I find the right people and the right situation, I may well play again.

    Liked by 2 people

  108. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Blues? Harmonica?

    Liked by 2 people

  109. Yoda says:

    Make a Trekie out of her. I understand she makes delicious sammiches as well.

    Only classic (or may TNG) trek one should watch.
    Sammiches good they would be.
    Come I can?

    Liked by 1 person

  110. blurkel says:

    Great find, Fuzzie! One of Mayall’s best tunes!

    Like

  111. Yoda says:

    Caould RPG Verde paint she wear?

    Liked by 1 person

  112. blurkel says:

    To All:

    I must sign off for now, as this is a work night for me. 2am PDT comes up even before the sun does, and I must have my beauty rest lest Shreck’s looks improve that much more over mine.

    TTFN!

    Liked by 1 person

  113. Liz says:

    Blurkel: “It’s a young woman’s job to sell her man on the idea of marriage, and to show him that he should marry her, and why he should.”

    That is blatant manipulation, and is one of the major reasons MGTOW exists today. Women have said and done anything and everything to “convince” a man that he needs to marry her, including getting “accidentally” pregnant. and once the ring goes on and the mumbo-jumbo recited, all bets are off, and the Real Her emerges to take over from the decoy.”

    I don’t think it was Deti’s intent to suggest a woman “convince a man to marry her” under false pretenses. Selling herself as a potential good wife, if she would indeed make a good wife, is not manipulation.

    Liked by 3 people

  114. Liz says:

    Night night Blurkel. 🙂

    2 AM? Ick.
    I don’t miss those days of night shifts. I know that sucks. 😦

    Like

  115. Sumo says:

    Only classic (or may TNG) trek one should watch.

    DS9, The Mighty Sumo prefers.

    Like

  116. poseidon740 says:

    interesting thought; manipulating a man to believe what is actually true……..

    Liked by 1 person

  117. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    TRIGGER WARNING for Spawny. Too many bagpipes!!!
    Celtic music?

    Like

  118. Sumo says:

    I gotcher pipes right here, Fuzzie:

    Like

  119. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Star Trek:Enterprise, a good theme it has.
    For Liz, serves also as aviation video it does.

    Liked by 1 person

  120. Cill says:

    Liz 2:59 am

    thedeti doesn’t need me to look after him, but I read his comment the same way as you did Liz. Then when I read Blurkel’s response it seemed to fit too.

    FWIW from reading earlier posts, it seemed to me that thedeti thinks the risk of marriage is great to a man, that his default position should be that women would be bad for him, and that if she wants to prove otherwise it’s entirely over to her. I think this is what he meant by “It’s a young woman’s job to sell her man on the idea of marriage” etc.

    That’s the way I read it. Could be wrong.

    Liked by 3 people

  121. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Sumo,
    Canadian bagpipes!

    Like

  122. SFC Ton says:

    Running multiple missions having multiple objectives is the route to confusion and defeat. Part of why the war on terrorism is fucked is because they want us to kill and destroy while being soft and cuddly. Missions are successful when they have clearly assigned objectives with all subordinate units supporting the main objective of the mission. This builds cohesion and unity of purpose, improve a moral and wins wars and state side life. Marriages are no different (but much less fun with a lot higher risk of failure)

    This one family two mission’s shit is what I am talking about when I say feminism was driven by betas to lazy to grind out the hard and unpopular work of being head of household

    The one family, two mission idea is the norm these days. How is that working out for families? What is that divorce rate again? Sexless/ low sex and unhappy marriages make up the bulk of “successful” marriages

    Bloom, I told my daughter a lot of stuff, don’t rightly know where to begin. I told her her virginity and kids were the greatest gifts she should give and not to piss it away. She got a two year degree in a field that pays above median wage but has flexible work hours so she could work when needs be and be home when that’s more important. I told her if she fucks up the marriage she cannot come back……

    I never once preached anything like do xyz in case xyz occurred. if her husband fucks up,I’ll set it straight. If he dies etc (realistic possibility) she comes back to me. Pretty straight forward stuff really.

    I…. use to have pitty on the dudes she would date. The kid who took her to prom was so nervous about meeting me he threw up in the front yard. She dumped an NHL starter because he was a pussy…. Pert certain she got away with her stringent dating requirements because she is a hammer. When she is dressed up, women glare and men stare

    Now, her mission was to marry a Godly SOCOM vet/ active durty trooper, do right by him and raise his kids when he is shooting and looting. Kind of a cop-out really but a simple screening method any which way.

    Liked by 2 people

  123. Cill says:

    Hahahaha! Din ye see it? There one moment, gone aft aglay the next! If you didna see it you wouldna have a notion what I’m talking aboot.

    Liked by 1 person

  124. Sumo says:

    Och aye, laddie, Ah saw it. Ah raither enjoyed ‘at.

    Liked by 1 person

  125. Cill says:

    I see Sumo finally hit the publish button .
    New post by Sumo.

    Like

  126. Cill says:

    Good one bro. I wanted the right people to see it.

    Like

  127. Cill says:

    Now I’m going to head over and see what you’ve got cooked up for me on your post.

    Like

  128. Liz says:

    “Running multiple missions having multiple objectives is the route to confusion and defeat. Part of why the war on terrorism is fucked is because they want us to kill and destroy while being soft and cuddly. Missions are successful when they have clearly assigned objectives with all subordinate units supporting the main objective of the mission. This builds cohesion and unity of purpose, improve a moral and wins wars and state side life. Marriages are no different (but much less fun with a lot higher risk of failure)”

    Simple. Elegant. Spot on.

    Liked by 4 people

  129. Liz says:

    “FWIW from reading earlier posts, it seemed to me that thedeti thinks the risk of marriage is great to a man, that his default position should be that women would be bad for him, and that if she wants to prove otherwise it’s entirely over to her. I think this is what he meant by “It’s a young woman’s job to sell her man on the idea of marriage” etc.”

    I agree Cill. I maintain Deti’s advice for his daughter is good.
    My sons would be all over that (someday…they aren’t planning on marrying before 30 after adventuring around for a while and being dudes, they can do that. One reason it’s good to be a guy and these things are not equal).

    Liked by 3 people

  130. SFC Ton says:

    Thanks Liz.

    Like

  131. missattempts says:

    Dear Tarnished,
    In answer to your question of the other day, “mankind” IS fallen. Man is victim
    of his “sinful” nature. Man CRAVES. He desires things outside of himself, that he
    feels will “complete” him. In actuality, nothing OUTSIDE of a person can complete
    them in a perminent way. Food, drink, and shelter are required for the up keep of
    our physical bodies but DO NOT provide lasting contentment.
    Man is composed of a tripartate nature. He has a body, mind, and spirit. Each of
    these components has it’s own needs.
    Man was meant to expand. His body must flourish. His intellect must grow, and he
    must feel that he is living God’s purpose. He must have a conscious sense of being
    directed by God. This can only be accomplished with the deminishment of the ego.
    People acquire imperminate identites that they feel they must protect to survive.
    It’s a losing cause, because change is unavoidable and natural. You must surrender
    to the flow, as Doasim teaches and undergo symbolic “ego death.”
    Religion (And rulebooks) are no longer needed. People must obtain spiritual adulthood.
    They must perform their high wire act without a net.

    Like

  132. Cill says:

    Ton “Girl #2 is dumb as a box of rocks”
    I’m sitting here, shoulders shaking with mirth, trying to think of something dumber than a box of rocks. Haven’t come up with anything yet…

    Yoda “Celine Dion sing this song does she not?”
    Which song is that, Yoda?

    What’s this? Spawny’s Ghost? That is your best avatar, I have to say. You’ll now go and change it, of course. 😀

    Liked by 1 person

  133. Spawny Get says:

    “Haven’t come up with anything yet…”

    well, duh! Big Red for a start

    Like

  134. Tarnished says:

    Well, she’s certainly more obnoxious…

    Like

  135. Cill says:

    “well, duh! Big Red for a start”

    You got me. I was trying to think outside the box.

    Like

  136. Spawny Get says:

    Under no circumstances will I entertain discussion of Big Red’s Box..ox..ox..ox…x

    And no, I didn’t repeat myself

    Like

  137. Cill says:

    “Big Red’s Box” is an oxymoron to any entire* man.

    (*In the farming world, an entire is an un-neutered male)

    Like

  138. Spawny Get says:

    entire == misogynist

    Like

  139. poseidon740 says:

    I’m hearing on Fox News that Bill Clinton said that his wife, Hilliary, is one of the most honest women.

    If Hilliary is one of the most women, then I am actually a female, only thinking I’ve been a male all these years.

    Liked by 1 person

  140. Spawny Get says:

    It’s time to quote Colonel Kurtz, “The horror…the horror”

    did you watch the ‘fighter plane’ video? You can skip to 3:40 if you must. 1984 was too optimistic

    Like

  141. Liz says:

    It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘honest’ is.

    Either that…or perhaps it’s a word scrambler. The letters are out of order and he really meant the most “snot-he” or….perhaps something else in another language?

    Liked by 1 person

  142. Liz says:

    Cill: “I’m sitting here, shoulders shaking with mirth, trying to think of something dumber than a box of rocks. Haven’t come up with anything yet…”

    A BAG of rocks. Duh. 😛

    Liked by 2 people

  143. poseidon740 says:

    Maybe he word scrambled the letters, but really meant, “hotnes”, meaning hotness misspelled. So maybe he means to convey that he views his wife as being very hot still; his no-sex past relationship with Monika Lewinski withstanding.

    Or maybe something else…….

    Liked by 2 people

  144. poseidon740 says:

    “trying to think of something dumber than a box of rocks”

    I can help you with this Liz. A few years ago I had a female coworker who was very hostile and very man-hating. I believe in addition to these two attributes, she was extremely dumb. I won’t mention her name.

    Like

  145. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    “Dumber than a box of rocks?”
    Perhaps, a wet paper bag of rocks?

    Like

  146. theasdgamer says:

    At least rocks don’t say dumb stuff. They just keep quiet. Just sayin’.

    Liked by 1 person

  147. Spawny Get says:

    If we pooled our money, maybe we could afford to get her mouth boarded up. Going to kill a fair few trees though.

    Like

  148. […] made an interesting comment in my last post comment […]

    Like

Comments are closed.

%d bloggers like this: