The Government Wants Children to Suffer


Dalrock hits a home run with respect to his post about child support policy,

There is a method to the madness here.  These men are being imprisoned to sustain a very recent and profound social revolution.  They are being imprisoned to facilitate the destruction of traditional marriage so that a new family structure, one instead based on child support, can take the place of marriage.  To understand this, you need to understand the four key objectives which are being achieved by imprisoning so many men.

 1)  Create the illusion that unwed mothers are not in fact irresponsible welfare queens.  

2)  Enforce the new quota based system.

3)  Facilitate the removal of the father from the home to “empower” women.  

4)  Dis-empower husbands and fathers in order to empower wives and mothers.

The  question is why?  Does it really matter to women in general to have this new empowerment?  Perhaps  it means that she does not have to accede to any wishes of a man.  Perhaps it allows her to select (and continue selecting after motherhood) for tingles.  But who suffers?  Men of course.  But they are expendable, so no matter.  The women also suffer, though they will not admit it.  But most importantly, the children suffer.  And you do not want children to suffer, do you?  Yet here is a public policy that is tailor made to make children suffer.

Another question is, “What were they thinking”?  Pretty soon the news on this semi-stealth policy is going to get out.  A critical mass in terms of understanding will be reached.  And then what happens?

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98 comments on “The Government Wants Children to Suffer
  1. Yoda says:

    Tongue in cheek the title is.
    But not by much it would be.

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  2. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I saw that yesterday at Dalrock’s and he has hit one out of the park. You’re not far off on the tiitle. Putting the desire of MILFs to chase tingles ahead of the welfare of children is doing exactly that.

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  3. Yoda says:

    Suffering children the Government does want?
    Other explanations there are?

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  4. Yoda says:

    she does not have to accede to any wishes of a man

    Wonder how important this is I do…

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  5. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    ‘she does not have to accede to any wishes of a man”

    Yoda, that may be the whole point of this horrible experiment.
    Once again, Aaron Clarey’s short video that deserves to go viral.

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    They are being imprisoned to facilitate the destruction of traditional marriage so that a new family structure, one instead based on child support, can take the place of marriage.

    I wonder if this makes them political prisoners…

    Perhaps Amnesty International should get involved.

    But then again, they are the wrong type of victims.

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    a very recent and profound social revolution

    The Feminine Imperative in action it would seem. It is everywhere, but can’t be seen by most.

    Kind of like this. The Manosphere is the “sun glasses”.

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  8. Farm Boy says:

    How about a bear video in honor of Fuzzie Bear?

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  9. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I need to register with wordpress so that I can “like” comments. I am honored by yours and in honor of Finland’s Bear Man

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  10. Liz says:

    “Suffering children the Government does want?
    Other explanations there are?”

    They’re trying to use other people’s money to buy silence from the burdensome chronically-Irritating-Yet-Perpetually-Helpless gender demographic.
    They’ve seen appeasement buy votes and silence. Many many times.
    It might be helpful to think of it like North Korea.

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  11. missattempts says:

    I think that most of the MGTOWs would feel less frustrated and bitter with women
    if they accquainted themselves with the material of “The Attraction Institute.”
    Their premise is that men and women are wired differently. A woman wants a man
    that makes her feel secure, but who also provides stimulation and excitement.
    So the man must be able to have enough balls in the air to keep her interested.
    Nice guys are too predicable and dull. Subconsciously, she thinks he’s weak and
    dependent. She doesn’t want to be his mother.
    You can’t change nature, people, or the world. You must “self actualize” through
    Eastern Teachings. Most “normal” people can.
    If you are a rare freak (Like me) you must buy sex, suffer, or do the right thing and
    off yourself.

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  12. SFC Ton says:

    What were they thinking?

    The people who engineered this shot think White men are evil and it’s all about destroying the evilness of honkeys like me. Most esp us regressive White men. Those useful idiots who support these things think they can manufacture a better class of human with the right govt tinkering… this is why it’s so popular up north, those people’s whole notion of coming here, when here was all.wildness and dangers, was to create various utopias. They lost the religion and God but replaced religion with progressivism and God with government

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  13. Miss attempts, I apologize, I am not familiar with your back story. Can you fill me in? What’s going on? I am worried about you. (Hugs!)

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  14. jf13 says:

    Ton ‘splains so you can understand. “The people who engineered this shot think White men are evil and it’s all about destroying the evilness of honkeys like me. Most esp us regressive White men.”

    This is all there is to it. It’s cultural suicide-bombing, feminists blowing their lives up and their children’s lives up, just to make sure White menz suffer too.

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  15. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Missattempts,
    I wish Tarn were around to square you away. From what you are sating, it’s as if you are accepting someones else’s estimate of your valiue, ie rejection from women, to affect your self worth. We can’t allow this to happen or we will end up ding ourselves in. This is their problem.
    From time to time, I do see guys complaining that they are getting nowhere and it’s not obvious why. I think they may be getting picked i=on by fate.
    Hang in there.

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  16. Liz says:

    Lol! That video was awesome Swithy. 😀

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  17. Farm Boy says:

    it’s all about destroying the evilness of honkeys like me

    So what is the evilness exactly?

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  18. Farm Boy says:

    It’s cultural suicide-bombing, feminists blowing their lives up and their children’s lives up, just to make sure White menz suffer too.

    They blow up their own lives and everybody else’s life, but they have fun doing it.

    Until they don’t.

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  19. jf13 says:

    Not @missattempts, but about missattempts. It’s not clear if it’s a real cry for help. If so, then here’s an outline of what he would experience if he bothered trying.
    0. Most men are beta nice guys and unsuccessful with women because of that. The rough estimates of 80% betahood cannot be far off. Hence “rare freak” is erroneous in the extreme: MOST men i.e. normal men suffer from not being attractive enough for women to treat them as men. One condensed version of The Redpill is that women don’t treat nice guys properly. Most of society is geared around keeping betas betas.
    1. PUA stuff works, and it’s easy albeit immoral if you bother doing it. Bad boy behavior is by far the largest part of a man’s success with women ASSUMING he actually wants to be successful. The nonsense that The Attraction Institute spams everywhere is that PUA stuff doesn’t work but every beta has some inner Natural Alpha that’s just kinda too hard for women to see unless you pay for their secret formula. The fact that it is nonsense is empirical: the alternative works better.
    2. You certainly don’t require “Eastern Teachings” to self-actualize. But it’s just good sense to eat right and exercise and try to makesome more money. Further self improvement probably makes a nice little hobby but is not essential in this regard.

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  20. Spawny Get says:

    BTW I had a very brief email from Tarn a few days ago…Tarn is teh BUSY

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  21. jf13 says:

    I forgot a theme of this site.
    3. If you don’t want to bother being more successful with women, either because you’re just not all that into success or you don’t want to succeed “in that way”, then MGTOW is certainly a life option.

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  22. Farm Boy says:

    One condensed version of The Redpill is that women don’t treat nice guys properly. Most of society is geared around keeping betas betas

    But for how long will they produce more than required for their own needs?

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  23. Yoda says:

    They’re trying to use other people’s money to buy silence from the burdensome chronically-Irritating-Yet-Perpetually-Helpless gender demographic.

    Jar-Jar’s people you refer to?

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  24. I am not so sure there isn’t a subset of women who do like betas. And not just because they are “settling.” For example, a couple stopped by my biz this weekend, maybe mid 30s. She had on a knee brace so we naturally got to talking, she injured it skateboarding with their kids. He was not unattractive, but he wasn’t top 20%. She was maybe a point or two more attractive on a 10 point scale than him. They hung out for quite a while and I noticed he treats her very well, and she was clearly loving it. I found myself thinking she’s a very lucky gal.

    The next day my former neighbor Hercules stopped in with his dad and girlfriend (he lives w her and she’s the primary breadwinner.) As usual as soon as he could be tried to isolate me and remind me that “he’s waiting.” I ignored that and he gave up, switched topics to all the cool rocks he found while working in Nevada, lots of turquoise and some thunder eggs (round rocks w crystals inside when cut open.) and we talked as friends and it was cool. He is very attractive, but so arrogant and such a womanizer (as is his dad, who has kids with at least three women, two born two months apart!) Then yesterday Hercules texted me out of the blue asking for me to send him a naked pic. I told him sorry, my mom taught me better than that. Ha ha, not happening. As I was typing this just now he texted again, asking if I had anything to send him yet. Ug!

    Which guy is the better pick? I’d go for guy #1 for sure! I could probably have Hercules’s over here in minutes if I asked him, but why? So I can support him while he hits on everything in a skirt? Uuuummmmm, no.

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  25. Yoda says:

    Those useful idiots who support these things think they can manufacture a better class of human with the right govt tinkering…

    Always cost much money this tinkering does.
    Do it on the cheap they could?

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  26. I sent Hercules this:

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  27. Yoda says:

    Then yesterday Hercules texted me out of the blue asking for me to send him a naked pic. ,

    Works with many women this does.
    Unfortunate this is.
    Government tinker here it should.
    “Be sluts not” it should say.

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  28. Yoda says:

    Perhaps ignore him you should.

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  29. Good advice Yoda!

    I am sure it does work for him, but I find it completely meh.

    Now if civilization collapsed, and he arrived with guns, before anyone else arrived with guns, I’d welcome him and would probably even procure women for him myself! (He has remarked in the past my place is where he’d head in such a case, (yeah, whatever. pffft.) Zombie apocalypse only.

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  30. Liz says:

    You don’t like arrogant womanizers, Bloom?
    OMG you’re so rare.

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  31. Liz says:

    Per arrogant womanizers/”jerks”/assholes we women are supposed to love…
    I wrote this at J4G a while back:

    I’ve noticed it’s a pretty common theme in sphere that women LIKE “douchebags, criminals, parasites, ect”…rather than confidence, assertiveness and so forth. I think that’s a large part of the communication disconnect there.

    I’ve been told my husband is a jerk numerous times, with no verification or validity needed outside of the fact that I’m “into him”. Ipso facto, he must be a jerk! I’ll offer an unequivocal example counter that assertion and it’s off to, well he’s “some degree of” jerk.

    This is kind of along the lines of asserting that men “are afraid of smart strong women”. No…they aren’t afraid of smart or strong women, they just don’t like cunts. But understand the frustration of explaining this and having a person counter,

    “You’re just attracted to ‘some degree of’ weakness and stupidity in a woman!”

    “My wife’s IQ is 150..”

    “So what?! Obviously if you like her so much she’s still some degree of dumbass, and weak too!”

    In the same vein, women don’t prefer convicts/assholes/jerks, although convicts and assholes have certain traits that might appeal to them. The assertion that we do, does in fact become tedious. Most women aren’t lining up for those conjugal visits with prisoners, nor are they trolling the streets for pimps and drug pushers so they can have their “asshole” quotient.

    (I get my “asshole fix” any and every time I drive in the city…I should be titillated and aroused by this experience, apparently, but it’s quite the opposite and doesn’t seem to do much for anyone else either by the look of things)

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  32. So Liz, does that mean you’re not coming to visit so we can head down to the hood to find ourselves a sexy criminal minded man who is an even BIGGER jerk than Mike to share and lavish with untold affection and lovin’??? Oh, what??? But Gurrrrrl, you promised!!! 😉

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  33. I think the photo got the message across, btw, no reply… 😉 Go sext it with someone else buddy!

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  34. theasdgamer says:

    Funny how both socialists and feminists are determined to destroy the family. Yet some would have us believe that feminism is independent of socialism. And isn’t it ironic that so many “conservatives” support policies that destroy the family by removing dependence on men and transferring that dependence to the govt. “safety net”.

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  35. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Send Hercules some G rated bear videos. When asks why, tell him that you confused the two of us. This one might be a good starter.

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  36. Yoda says:

    I’ve been told my husband is a jerk numerous times, with no verification or validity needed outside of the fact that I’m “into him”.

    Deeply embedded into society this concept is.
    Perhaps for good reason this is.

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  37. Yoda says:

    Now if civilization collapsed, and he arrived with guns

    But the force I do have.
    Better it is.

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  38. theasdgamer says:

    @ Liz

    In the same vein, women don’t prefer convicts/assholes/jerks, although convicts and assholes have certain traits that might appeal to them.

    So your ex-boyfriend in high school wasn’t a jerk? And the gay man who pretended to be hetero wasn’t a jerk? All your ex’s weren’t jerks? Your girlfriends don’t talk about how all their ex’s were jerks?

    I still love all my ex’s.

    I’m sure that my ex-gf from college would say that I’m a jerk. Yet, when I went to visit her in an emergency situation long ago, she was all bright eyes and smiles to see me, fairly bouncing off the walls.

    Women don’t like jerks?

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  39. Liz says:

    “So your ex-boyfriend in high school wasn’t a jerk?”
    Most definitely. A key reason I dumped him, not the reason I dated him.

    “And the gay man who pretended to be hetero wasn’t a jerk?”
    No, the gay man was not a jerk at all. He was a complete pussy. He’s also the only one I actually had sexual intercourse with.

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  40. Liz says:

    Men like stupid cunts!
    Anyone here ever date a stupid count? If so, that obviously proves it!
    (they like ’em crazy, too…anyone ever dated a crazy bpd chick? More proof!)

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  41. theasdgamer says:

    @ Liz

    Men like stupid cunts!

    As I’ve said before, my weakness is smart, beautiful women.

    anyone ever dated a crazy bpd chick

    No, but it sounds intriguing…got any friends like that? Heh.

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  42. Liz says:

    Lol Gamer! 😀

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  43. theasdgamer says:

    Liz, babydoll, you feel my inner joy. Now quit that before Mrs. Gamer finds out!

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  44. Good idea fuzzie! But I think maybe I’d start off with teddy bear picnic 🙂 or would that be too much, do you think?

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  45. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I’d stick to real bear videos. This is beginning to sound like fun. 😉

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  46. Cill says:

    ” I’d start off with teddy bear picnic 🙂 or would that be too much, do you think?”
    Try the Padawan version…

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  47. jf13 says:

    re: “I noticed he treats her very well”

    and therefore she was trying hard to please him, right? And she was maybe even the primary breadwinner while he got to do what HE wanted, right?

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  48. jf13 says:

    re: “I found myself thinking she’s a very lucky gal.”

    A simple question. Of which man would anyone, at all, rationally think “He’s a very lucky guy.”? What is in it for the man to treat women well? How do women treat him?

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  49. jf13 says:

    re: “I’d go for guy #1 for sure!”

    And our evidence for this is …? Not just from you, but from other women too. How many women are going for guy #1, the married guy who treats his one woman well? Compared to how many women are going for guy #2, the womanizer with multiple girlfriends curently and many more in the past, baby mamas etc.?

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  50. jf13 says:

    So why are 80% of women being compared to 20% of men, anyway? Why are the women that men have to settle for being compared to the men that women pursue?

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  51. Liz says:

    “How many women are going for guy #1, the married guy who treats his one woman well? Compared to how many women are going for guy #2, the womanizer with multiple girlfriends curently and many more in the past, baby mamas etc.?”

    How many? An actual number? Beats the hell out of me. If AWALT why would it matter? Obviously ALL women want to be the hood’s/pimp’s/womanizer’s baby momma and the rest of us fugglies are just slumming because we can’t find a big enough jerk right?

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  52. Liz says:

    Those baby mommas are HOT too. REALLY hot, from what I’ve seen.

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  53. jf13 says:

    Speaking of civilization collapse, it is in times of eminent danger that women treat nice guys well. Not alphas.
    http://www.justfourguys.com/evolutionary-incentives-why-women-are-going-for-badboys-and-players-instead-of-stable-providers/

    The birth rate skyrockets under adverse life conditions, during which time women fight each other for the right to reproduce with stable providers.

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  54. jf13 says:

    re: “Men do it too!”

    The fact that dark triad men are markedly more successful with women is a scientific fact. The fiction that stupid bitchy women get a lot of men is fiction.

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  55. Well I meant guy #1 if he wan’t married, not if he is.

    They seemed very happy, of course I wanted to but didn’t ask how long they have been together, how they met, what they did for a living, etc. they were so lost in each other, I didn’t want to disturb them, it was very endearing. For all I know they are neighbors having an illicit affair but it looked like the real deal and from how they talked sounded like they were married w kids, kids old enough to skateboard?

    Jf13 any woman who would get involved w Hercules can’t blame anyone but herself for the outcome. And I don’t think it will ever be scenario #1. Scenario #2 is far more likely (he plays, she pays!)

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  56. And jf13 you are correct, Hercules manages to get plenty of takers, and women who will overlook (or are in denial) about his infidelity. To each her own, sounds like nothing but heartbreak and probably herpes, too! No thanks. Pass.

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  57. Liz says:

    “re: “Men do it too!”

    Yes of course!
    Total straw man argument to counter one fallacy with an equivalent counter-fallacy to make the point the argument is a fallacy.

    Wait. Actually…it isn’t. It’s demonstrating the absurd via another absurdity.

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  58. Cill says:

    O yeah them baby mommas are hot all right. Ugly fat mommas are the new hot… how un-miserable must those hapless men be, who failed to sire those fugly bubbas.

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  59. @ cill I am calling the Dr. Oz show! You could get a free trip to my and hotel stay if you are willing to say that on air. How dare you! Misogynist! Abuser! Rapist! (Kidding btw)

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  60. jf13 says:

    rephrase. The fiction that stupid bitchy women get *more* men is fiction.

    Q1. What could any woman do to get more men, if more men is her goal?
    A1. Be nicer to more men.

    Q1′. What could any man do to get more women, if more women is his goal?
    A1′. Be badder to more women.

    Q2. What could any woman do to get more from her one man, if more from her man is her goal?
    A2. Be nicer to her man.

    Q2′. What could any man do to get more from his one woman, if more from his woman is his goal?
    A2′. Be badder to his woman.

    Believe me, I’m even sorrier than you that this is what works.

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  61. Cill says:

    Dr Oz, heeeeeere’s Moe Man!

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  62. jf13 says:

    btw even raising the question of why women do not respond properly to positive reinforcement is considered sexual harassment nowadays. Besides the “lalalala” response so characteristic of females inside the ‘sphere, the response of females outside the ‘sphere is to press charges.

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  63. Cill says:

    Being a bad boy does work with a lot of women. I’ve seen it with my own jaded eyes. No argument there. However, I don’t hold to AWALT or absolutes. If a woman speaks and writes like NAWALT and walks the walk, well… I’ll take that actuality into account rather than hold to an absolute. It only takes one exception to invalidate this absolute… Man, this absolute is one big ask.

    If a man holds to an absolute, he won’t be shaken from it. Discussion of it with him is futile, unless it is to agree with him.

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  64. jf13 says:

    re: absolute

    Neither the theory nor the application need be absolute for it to be *true*. So suppose “only” 80% of women do not respond properly to positive reinforcement. That in itself seems to be a valid argument to test to see whether it also applies to one’s own woman.

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  65. Cill says:

    Will you allow exceptions to your theory ?

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  66. jf13 says:

    Exceptions to the 80% are in the 20%. I don’t actually posit that there are that many exceptions, i.e. 20%. Low single digits at most, probably.

    Does the existence of a few exceptions invalidate the argument that one’s own woman *probably* requires much more negative reinforcement than she should?

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  67. Cill says:

    You don’t hold to AWALT then.

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  68. jf13 says:

    Does the existence of a few exceptions invalidate the argument that one’s own woman *probably* requires much more negative reinforcement than she should?

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  69. Cill says:

    I’ve got to go out. We could continue this discussion later. I’m not getting at you BTW. Gotta go.

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  70. Cill says:

    “the existence of a few exceptions” = NAWALT
    Gotta go now.

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  71. jf13 says:

    “Well, yeah, he is kind of a jerk. But he’s not as much of a jerk to me as he could be.” is women’s sweet spot. It’s not my fault for it being so, and it’s not even my fault for emphasizing it repeatedly, especially in the face of denials of it being so.

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  72. jf13 says:

    Is there any other, much less greater, argument for MGTOW than women not responding properly to positive reinforcement? That there are too few exceptions to make it worthwhile to even *try* to see if some one woman will maybe respond properly? Is there any other argument?

    If so, why would there be any opposition to stating it so baldly here, where there is certainly sympathy and understanding for the *reasons* for MGTOW?

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  73. jf13 says:

    Is it ever true for a female, even an exception, that “It’s just too hard for me to find a man who will treat me well.”? Or is it always “It’s just too hard for me to find a man who I WANT to treat me well.”?

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  74. Jf13, I can only speak for myself – have there been times in past relationships where calling me in my bs would have been better than allowing me to get away with bs? Yes. Like Liz has said all women have their cray cray days or moments. Does the way Hercules acts to his woman prevent that? I hear they often fight about the freeloading and philandering. As he did with his ex wife. Some men would call his “take me or leave me, babe” attitude a win. To me, couple #1 seemed a lot happier. They seemed genuine, and yes she did not respond to his fawning by pushing him away, so maybe there’s something for (some) women to learn there. Don’t be a woman who responds to nice by thinking that equals treat him like a doormat. Mutual well treatment, isn’t it a win-win? Or no?

    Like I said for all I know he just got out of jail for hitting her in the knee with a tire iron or something, it is I suppose possible (but I did not get a toxic vibe whatsoever from them, like I said it seemed genuine. Hercules’s relationships otoh are very drama filled. And maybe he picks women who can’t be nice if he’s nice to them, but I think his behavior destroys their respect for him over time. But hey I am single, what do I know? If 80% of the guys don’t have any woman, where are all those great but under appreciated guys then in real life (besides you all here! But none of you are in my “real” real life.

    Ok now I am depressed. 😦 thanks jf13! (Kidding)

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  75. jf13 says:

    re: “where are all those great but under appreciated guys then in real life”

    You don’t think they;re great which is why you underappreciate them. It’s not a serious question. For ANY possible red pill person (ARPPALT) “Where have all the good men gone?” means nothing but “How come I can’t see all the good men?”

    re: “Mutual well treatment, isn’t it a win-win?”

    It would be.

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  76. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Jf13,
    Thanks for that link to Just Four Guys. Han Solo was spot on. In this enviornment, men have become optional. That explains so much.

    Bloom,
    About your example couple, Dalrock had a post a while back and he explained, either in the post,or the following comments on something his kid observed. His kid noticed that Dalrock and Mrs. D talk to each other. They do this because they have a healthy relationship that includes frequent sex. Couples that don’t have so much resentment built up that it’s hard to talk to each other.

    Anyway, I thought, or hoped, that we were looking for a way for Missattempts to get out of his predicament. That he has no sexual experience at such a late stage is strong reason for women he is interested in to hit the “eject” button. When I was in eigth grade I asked a woman what it would take
    “Girls want to be swept off their feet” was her response. My heart sank knowing that I would never have the requisite experience to attract my contemporaries.
    It’s beginning to look like Missattempts will have to do what all the teenage boys who were successsful did, cheat. He’ll need good sources to read up and hee need to hire a sex ed lab partner.

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  77. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz and Bloom,
    You two are exceptional. You two are trustworthy witha man’s heart.
    There are a lot of men out there who have been crushesd by vindictive women who only wanted to exercise power and could care less about the destruction they leave in their wake.

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  78. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I went to youtube and searched for “Are Men Obsolete?” Now I know why current feminists want to trash Christian Hoff Summers.

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  80. Cill says:

    jf13: ‘“Well, yeah, he is kind of a jerk. But he’s not as much of a jerk to me as he could be.” is women’s sweet spot.’

    It’s not every woman’s sweet spot.

    jf13: ‘It’s not my fault for it being so, and it’s not even my fault for emphasizing it repeatedly, especially in the face of denials of it being so.’

    I’m not denying it. Here’s what I said earlier: Being a bad boy does work with a lot of women. I’ve seen it with my own jaded eyes. No argument there.

    ‘Does the existence of a few exceptions invalidate the argument that one’s own woman *probably* requires much more negative reinforcement than she should?’

    Nope. Nor do they invalidate an individual’s argument that she requires no negative reinforcement, especially when none of her comments or behaviour have contradicted her argument. To insist that she (the individual woman) does need negative reinforcement is to hold to the absolute, in which case your mind is closed and further discussion of the subject is futile. I’d be happy to discuss other subjects though.

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  81. Fuzzie I am worried for Misattempts. It sounds like he has an illness or disability or something, like he has been in the hospital, or maybe he is just referring to his lack of experience at his age? I couldn’t figure out why he considered himself a “freak” but I hope he does not truly believe that, nobody is a freak. Like you said, what others think does not define our value, but I know it can feel that way. I am not sure what’s going on but he sounds very unhappy and I am worried. I don’t know about hiring an expert, but then I don’t really know how all that works. If the expert is truly a coach and is emotionally healthy and such, I could see that being a way to “cross the bridge” but not all people in that line of work are healthy, so there’s a risk with “professionals” just like any woman, (if you mean sex for hire, like an escort, vs a sex therapist?), I would think. That question would be out of my league…that’s a guy discussion.

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  82. Cill says:

    And I’d be happy to discuss the argument that women require negative reinforcement if it’s a theory and not an absolute. As a general theory it has a lot of evidence to support it, some of which I have witnessed directly. As an absolute it wouldn’t work for me for the same reason, I have witnessed exceptions directly.

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  83. Liz says:

    “Is there any other, much less greater, argument for MGTOW than women not responding properly to positive reinforcement?”

    Yes, there’s a much “greater” and “other” argument. It’s this: Too many women these days are seriously fucked up. And the law empowers them disproportionately.

    That’s it. That’s the main argument. It’s a good one. From my perspective women are fucked up due to horrible value systems and perverse incentives I’d like to see changed.

    The MGTOW that I know in real life have no trouble screwing women. They have trouble finding sane, nice women. And they are NOT jerks.

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  84. And jf13 if you meant *I* personally need negative reinforcement or could not be attracted to a guy like guy #1 over guy #2, well I don’t know how to prove that one so I guess you can believe me or not, makes no difference to me. I would much much prefer to be in scenario #1 than #2, and I believe other women would as well. Not just Liz and I. Maybe lots of gals would go for #2, I am not denying that, or thinking they are going to be the special snowflake that changes guy #2 and turns him into guy #1, but as they say a fool is born every minute! Character is BIG for me, BIG. The fact that he tried to hit on me when he was married, automatic off the list forever. That’s always been how I roll…maybe I am a weirdo!

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  85. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I am worried about Missattempts too. He’s only leaving one comment per day. So, it is tought to carry on a dialogue.
    I was talking about escorts. They will not damage him like bad therapists could. The whole idea would be to give him the confidence that comes with accomplishment, like being able to change a tire on a car.

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  86. I could see that Fuzzie, re changing a tire. Feeling competent? I would say any woman who would dump a guy because the first time sex wasn’t “good enough” is a gal to steer clear of anyway? But like I said I am not a guy, I don’t know about how it feels to be under pressure to “perform” like some kind of male porn star, but my gut tells me male porn stars can go on and on like they do (not that I watch porn but I get the idea) because there is no emotional connection, because they are disconnected? And I am really out of my league, shhhh. I should probably stop talking. La la la.

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  87. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    It may be that men are expected to fulfil expectations. If these expectations are not met, dating never starts or, if started, stops.
    Here’s something that made me sick when I read it but, it had the ri8ng of truth.

    https://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2012/08/09/dating-2-0-a-definition/

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  88. SFC Ton says:

    What is our evilness? Our ability to dominate the world an people around us. That is not fair and a crime against equality… simply put they hate us because they ain’t us and resent out accomplishments as a people

    I have been in a failed nation state or three… women there do not flock to the stable beta. In fact I have seen women hook up with the local strongman to keep.her.safe etc with the approval of her husband. When life is ugly, women seek out violent me not violinist

    If being a bad boy works on just 51% of the women, what does it behoove a man to be anything else. An let’s face it the bad boy appeal is a lot closer to universal then it is to 0

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  89. @ ton I agree, when stuff goes down, a woman is going to go with the best option available for survival. Alpha, beta, omega — she’ll go with the options available rather than go it alone or look to other women (beside kin) for survival. most likely. Why? because women will turn on women if need be. Or consider war brides, even kidnaped, they will adapt (or die.) no woman wants to have to face these situations, but if they do they will do whatever it takes. I am not sure men ever face this same worst inner fear? An uncivilized and brutal world.

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  90. Women can be cunning and trecherous, no doubt, but their reaction is flight, not fight. I am sure there are warrior women here and there, but to kill or be killed is not the woman’s go to for survival. It’s more like submit or be killed. (Obviously not on a day to day basis, but I believe most women would choose submit and deal than fight to the death.

    Ton? You have been in these areas where this is the situation, is this so?

    As for sending his woman to the warlord for her own protection? Now that there is truly a man who loves his woman! I cannot imagine how hard a choice that wod be!

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  91. SFC Ton says:

    lol I don’t know if he sent her or not be she was fucking the local strongman for that part of the city and going home to her family witb some extra food and they never got fucked with.

    As for being in those kinds of areas…. where do you think my skill set is required?

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  92. Sumo says:

    Re: “warrior women”….yeah, no. I worked with a number of females in my LE days, and in 15 years, there were only two whom I could actually count on to back me up if shit got real. The rest of them would talk a good game, but ended up hiding behind me when SHTF.

    Kind of like those yappy little rat dogs, now that I think about it.

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  93. Like I said Ton of it all collapses, you bring the guns first, I will procure the women!

    @ sumo or you bring the guns and I will procure the women!

    Heck, anyone with guns is most welcome, I will procure the women! And make sammiches and grog!

    And actually sumo that does does not surprise me. Women are much more likely to fight covertly, be saboteur than a face to face warrior. After a certain well known sept event, went down, i was so pissed at the time I would have gone myself, just to find him and snuggle up to that bastage in his cave so I could kill him in his sleep!

    Women be like that!

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  94. theasdgamer says:

    They have trouble finding sane, nice women.

    Ah, Liz’s friends. 😉

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  95. Yoda says:

    Too many women these days are seriously fucked up. And the law empowers them disproportionately.

    Empowered to be fucked up they are.
    Force them to be otherwise one can not.
    True meaning of empowerment this is.

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  96. Yoda says:

    I have seen women hook up with the local strongman

    Jabba the Hutt a harem he did have.
    For a reason this was.

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  97. jf13 says:

    re: “They have trouble finding sane, nice women.” i.e. women who respond properly to positive reinforcement.

    It’s the same trouble breeders run into for example with certain breeds of dogs who invariably come out high strung and insane.

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