Unfold How?

Dalrock recently wrote, “Still, the problems with the insane family courts and our social contempt for husbands and fathers are all too real, and it is clear that marriage delaying women are starting to become concerned.  This is a real problem for proponents of the status quo, because as women become more concerned the problems which have been swept under the rug for decades will now be discussed in the open.”  How will bringing this knowledge into the open unfold?  That is the question.

Through the four years that I have been monitoring the manosphere, I have noticed more and more of its ideas trickling out into the world.  The MSM has tried to put their finger in the dyke, and has been mostly successful so far.  But eventually explanations for men slacking off and/or not marrying (two different problems) will need explanations.

There are several approaches that the media could take.  They could deny, obfuscate, fix the blame where it does not belong, or maybe even take a page from Goebbels (go big or go home).  It is even possible that the media response would be in the ordered listed.  But the real question is what will happen when a critical mass is reached; when enough people take the manosphere ideas seriously to have a large effect?  For that time will eventually come, as manosphere speaks truth, which is difficult to deny.

Will there be reforms (probably half-hearted ones)?  Will the country sink into chaos?  Will there be a new social contract?  And if there is, will men believe that it won’t be changed in the future?  Please jump in with your ideas.

Posted in FarmBoy, Feminism, Marriage
111 comments on “Unfold How?
  1. Farm Boy says:

    The MSM has tried to put their finger in the dyke, and has been mostly successful so far.

    I presume that means that she liked it.

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  2. I think if some of these ideas take hold, we’d be better off than we are now! Maybe not p and d pua part, but if people started to value the yin and yang of it all, I think it would be a major improvement over the “let’s all be the same” (except vagina equals better bc – vagina!) movement.


  3. Farm Boy says:

    but if people started to value the yin and yang of it all, I think it would be a major improvement over the “let’s all be the same”

    That is much to ask.


  4. Tarnished says:

    Meh. The MSM is just spinning it as “women don’t want to get married, they want careers and degrees”.

    *Some* only want careers and degrees. Hell, that’s what my life goals are, and I’m not stupid or arrogant enough to believe that is what 90% of women desire over kids and family.


  5. (And my odds of ever being able to run for political office wo major scuttlebutt shink w the post! Ah well. Last weekend a repub star rep candidate came in, we started talking over regulation of small biz and he said I should run! I told him I am an independant. The dems tried to recruit me last time! I don’t think either side would find me party line…)

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  6. My kid’s babysitter had her degree (rarly childhood ed) finished two years early and just had a baby! She’s starting an in home daycare!

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  7. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Being able to see the future is not a talent handed to just anybody. Very few have it. My take on it varies from day to day.
    Here’s what I am seeing today: feminists are going “badking mad”. Eventually, they will lose credibility and a lot of women are going to be angry about being led down their path.
    At least, they’ll be open to new ideas.
    Then, we can start fixing the damage.

    Where does this leave the mainstream media? Where they need to be, no debts to feminism.

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  8. When women start to realize in mass they have been fed blue pill bull, hopefully ithe herd will all turn, just like that.

    And my youngest is requesting another dance party w momma so adieu for now!


  9. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom likes me!!! YAY!!!!

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  10. Cill says:

    I now doubt that women are very worried about MGTOWs withdrawing. They want to avoid MGTOW anyway because MGTOW are all “losers”. Many women believe men are no longer necessary, and have said so publicly. They can afford to be as arrogant as they like, because the State has replaced the husband and father.

    Men will continue to be unnecessary to women as long as the Great Alpha (the state) can afford to support solo mums. However, the herbivores of Japan and the “single and not looking for a woman” men of the West do not have to earn as much to get by on their own. They will be less ambitious, and earn only enough to keep themselves happy. This will be a fraction of what they needed when they were supporting a family. Why pay for life insurance, for example? Why build their estate when they have no dependents?

    Men will cease to be the net contributors that they were before. Many men will themselves become a burden on the State. Currently men pay 70% of the taxes. When women are themselves paying 50% of the taxes they might start to resent carrying the burden of the dependent solo mums.

    Far more than the immediate absence of large numbers of men in the marriage market, it is THIS which I think might hurt women en masse more. It would force an issue between the totally dependent beneficiary single mothers and other women.

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  11. Cill says:

    I said I now doubt that women are very worried. The operative word is “very”. There comes a point at which the shortage of men is so acute that it does start to affect the behavior of women.

    Here’s the vital statistic: in NZ the ratio of males living alone to females living alone is 75:100
    I’ll give the full references and numbers some time in the future in a post on the subject.

    See if you can find the ratio in your own countries. In NZ 75:100 is the level at which a change in the behavior of a sizable percentage of women toward men starts to become apparent in the ways that I’ve mentioned in my PPP posts.

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  12. Cill I would like your comments but I can’t, nothing personal!

    The state is a poor substitute at best. Barely making it but can’t really afford to let go either…trapped in a web.

    Btw I support a social safety net for sure, but not when it creates generations of dependants. It was always meant to be a stop gap, not a lifestyle.


  13. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I wouldn’t know where to begin to look for those numbers. I am going to presume that by “living alone” means not cohabiting. There could be confusion over having a roomate.
    I am going to take your numbers to mean that while the single male to female ratio in NZ is 89/100, when you factor in cohabitation, living together, the ratio worsens to 75/100.
    This is a big problem and I wouldn’t trust government to find a solution.
    When it hits the fan, it will happen there first. I don’t know what form it will take.


  14. Tarnished says:

    44.9% of the unmarried population aged 18 and older are female. For every 100 unmarried women there are 88 unmarried men. -U.S. Census Bureau. “America’s Families and Living Arrangements: 2010″



  15. Cill says:

    The figures I’m looking at are from NZ’s Foundation for Research, Science and
    Technology. Coincidentally the ratio of employed men to all women is about the same : 75:100

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  16. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Thanks for the numbers. While I don’t doubt their veracity, they are in direct conflict with a male unfriendly SMP/MMP. Commenter BuenaVista keeps reminding me that there was only a seven percent difference between the volume of sell and buy orders on that awful day in October 1987 when the stock market fell fifty percent. On the face of it, men should have an advantage with a twelve percent head start but, the marketplace is treating us as toilet paper.

    Market manipulation, much?

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  17. Ummm, will you all please stop scaring the bear? 😉 Not helping!

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  18. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You have Toblerone. That is power when dealing with someone who has a sweet tooth.

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  19. Tarnished says:


    I think this discrepancy is due, at least in part, to simple demographics.
    According to the December 2013 U.S. Census reports, there were 161 million women vs 156 million men. Also, remember that when one lives in an apartment in a senior living community it’s counted as being a single person “household”. The ratio of women to men at age 80 and older is 2:1.

    It’s not that men aren’t necessarily dropping out as much here, but that the numbers may just be that skewed because of mere population. Could definitely be more/other reasons but that’s what immediately came to mind.

    Cill, what are your population ratios?


  20. SFC Ton says:

    My life is grounded in the realities of the world and I find myself unconcerned if there will be chaos or a new social contract or some half hearted reforms

    Fact is there will be all three pert certain there has always been all three and always will be

    Though I imagine debt and diversity will wreck the West/ usa before the war on men does.

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  21. Spawny Get says:

    “Though I imagine debt and diversity will wreck the West/ usa before the war on men does.”
    Yep. A lot of bullshit will die when that day dawns

    Why Europe Lets People Drown

    That Europe let almost 1000 people die in the Mediterranean in one night shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone, at least not to those who are still occasionally awake. The Club Med migrant crisis has been going on for a long time, and the EU’s only reaction to it has been to slash its budget and operations in the area, not to expand them. So when the New York Times opens with “European leaders were confronted on Monday with a humanitarian crisis in the Mediterranean..”, they’re a mile and a half less than honest. Brussels has known what was going on for years, and decided to do less than nothing.

    The right-thinking leftoids are dying to just open the doors, but they can’t because many of them know that it’d be electoral suicide. They’ll do anything and everything to stop immigration being raised as an issue in the UK right now.

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  22. missattempts says:

    I’d just like to know if anyone here has seen the blog “Rants Of An Incel?”
    It only gets approx. 2,000 hits. The most recent posting features a man named “Kent.”
    You have to witness such such hatred to believe it. The question isn’t IF he will KILL
    only WHEN.
    After he kills, how can people claim they were not warned?
    2,000 hits on a blog isn’t much. But just 2,000 madmen with weapons can cause much
    See why it’s tragic that robotics didn’t progress enough? I’m sure fully functional
    robots WOULD have been a reality IF they were a top prioriety.
    That way, most every person would have their own personal “lover” robot and that
    would alievate a lot of frustration.
    A person like me can only get a lover if I were Adam in the Garden Of Eden, and
    Eve never knew another man to compare me with. There are some very realistic
    sicilicone dolls, but they start at $5,000 and above, far out of my price range.


  23. Liz says:

    Per Rants of an Incel…I try not to read toxic sites on the internet. I’d advise everyone else to do the same. Doesn’t sound like a very emotionally healthy place.
    Per “2,000 madmen with weapons”…stepping away from the computer for a moment, how often does a mass suicide incel attack happen on a grand scale in practial reality? Virtually never. How often do men commit suicide out of depression/despair? All the fucking time. Don’t encourage that.

    It sounded to me like Elliot was full of self-regard and self-esteem. He possessed an insufferable air of superiority and had horrendous mommy and step-mommy issues. He felt entitled to women’s attentions and favors because, as he said, he was, “so awesome.” Lots of guys in that age group would agree with that sentiment, but not engaging in a killing spree because of it.

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  24. jf13 says:

    Everybody agrees the problem(s) is that women are not interested in the available men. The question to be answered is whether the men should change to be more interesting (which doesn’t, and can’t, work for most men), or whether the women should change to be more interested (which does work for most women even if they don’t want it to).


  25. jf13 says:

    Most losers, like Everardo Custodio, fail at planning first, but execution foremost.


  26. Liz says:

    I see nothing to indicate Custodio was an incel. Not in that article, not in an internet search. For all we know, Custodio was criminal (“jerk” that, according to the bromide should get laid like tile) and the Uber car driver was the incel.


  27. theasdgamer says:

    I’ve got a new post up. On your knees, Bish–Why is submission a good thing?



  28. Yoda says:

    The red pill knowledge spread how it will?


  29. theasdgamer says:

    I think that the decline will tend to be long and slow (lasting perhaps 100-200 years), with a few sharp peaks (legal & cultural corrections to the decline–probably changes to the tax laws and cultural movements like the manosphere) and sharp drops (decline accelerations–probably more legal changes to favor women).

    There will be a lot of opportunity to make lemonade with all the lemons being dropped, so don’t despair.

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  30. Yoda says:

    It sounded to me like Elliot was full of self-regard and self-esteem.

    Perhaps classified as a modern woman he should be.

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  31. theasdgamer says:

    Looks like my posts are going into the spam filter.


  32. Yoda says:

    “Though I imagine debt and diversity will wreck the West/ usa before the war on men does.”

    Men already slacking off they are.
    Damage occurring from this now it is.
    A combination cluster it will be.

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  33. jf13 says:

    re: “It sounded to me like Elliot was full of self-regard and self-esteem. He possessed an insufferable air of superiority and had horrendous mommy and step-mommy issues.”

    Yes. His jealousy of women had more than just a whiff of latent homo.

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  34. jf13 says:

    re: Custodio

    No motive, and very few details, have been released. Like most such stories, he probably had just lost his girlfriend. The vast majority of losers are not incels, and not all incels are losers (except with women).


  35. Yoda says:

    Trying to control the narrative they are.
    Work in the long run it cannot.


  36. Yoda says:

    Pink humiliates men it does.


  37. Yoda says:

    Perhaps all media efforts should be framed as “controlling the narrative”.


  38. Liz says:

    “Missing link here it is,


    Holy fuck. Someone needs to get fired for that one (like, the president).

    I’ll bet they aren’t forcing female cadets to march in high heels. If they did, irony alert, she could successfully sue the government.

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  39. Liz says:

    These are ROTC cadets. They should just all resign in protest.
    It ain’t going to get better, gentlemen. Stop the pain before the real pain starts.

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  40. jf13 says:

    re: “it is clear that marriage delaying women are starting to become concerned.”

    I’m not convinced that any significant percentage of women are concerned the way they should be. Even if a woman starts to become concerned about her vanishing options, she doesn’t exert effort herself and merely complains “where did all the good men go?” as if, AS IF, she had considered them good men a few years earlier.

    One of my big concerns about going off of womenz feelz is that (too many) women both over-value their own feelings AND misremember those feelings! I guess I’ll chalk it up to some kind of biological lack of self-awareness, making currently projected feelz the standard by which even memories are presented to her own brainz, rather than what it seems to be: voluntary misreprentation for the purpose of manipulation.

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  41. Liz says:

    I’m beyond pissed off about the “walking in her shoes” bullshitathon.
    Women don’t walk a mile in high heels, how horrible for the feet. Yet one more thing designed to torture and demean men.
    God almighty, the folks that force people into this sort of shit are the ones who should be shot.

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  42. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am more than a little worried. Never mind what anyone else is going to do, what are you going to do? I can understand your frustration and the resultant anger. You have to find a way to get rid of it before it poisons you.
    You need to find a way to take your mind off this stuff for a while. While it may not work for you, watching bear videos works for me. Who knows what distraction will work for you?

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  43. Cill says:

    Tarn, “Cill, what are your population ratios?”
    I set them out in some detail in Oct 2014 (back in the days when Spawnyspace was brand spanking new):

    World as at 2010: http://www.geohive.com/earth/pop_gender.aspx
    The world has approx 60 million more males than females.
    The Male Surplus in China and India combined is approx 90 million, which indicates that the rest of the world has approximately 30 million more females than males.

    Male to Female all ages: 95:100
    Male to Female 25 to 49: 91:100
    Fuzzy has said it’s 89:100 He’s referring to the crucial 18 to 49 YO bracket. Other factors (i.e. other than bare census stats) show that he’s correct, for example on an average day there are more males than females temporarily out of NZ (see my last paragraph below), and more female than male tourists in NZ, and more female than male temporary workers (these do have an impact, and compete successfully for NZ men).

    “The June 2011 population estimates produced by Statistics New Zealand suggest there are around 50,000 more female than male residents aged 25-49 with the greatest imbalance in the prime relationship forming and childrearing age group of 30-44.” (http://callister.co.nz/nz-man-drought.pdf)

    At http://www.superu.govt.nz/sites/default/files/callister-seminar-270813.pdf :
    Have a look at the graphs:
    “Sex ratios for those aged 25-34”
    “Ratio of men to 100 women aged 25-34”

    There’s another factor (and there are people who’d want to kick my ass for saying this) : the entire Kiwi population is more masculine than the world average. Consequently the Kiwi male is more attractive than is his female counterpart. A Kiwi woman looking for a man has to contend with the foreign competition.

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  44. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I read about all this yesterday and there were no reports of participants being compelled. My reaction was, “I don’t ‘tink” so.” From watching GirlWritesWhat videos, this has been going on in her neighborhood for years at the Univ. of Alberta-Edmonton and all students associated with the military have had their arms twisted to participate.
    It’s demoralizing and disgraceful.

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  45. Yoda says:

    Kiwi population is more masculine

    Moe affects the average greatly he does.

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  46. jf13 says:

    And naturally the real ratio of concern involves “unpaired men willing to be paired with any one of the objectively good-enough unpaired women” and “unpaired women willing to be paired with any one of the objectively good-enough unpaired men”.

    Yes, btw, there are objective measures.


  47. Cill says:

    jf13 at 4:59 “Yes, btw, there are objective measures.”
    I’ve been looking for those objective measures online for months. Can you give me addresses or references?

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  48. Yoda says:

    I’ve been looking for those objective measures online for months.

    Deals with measuring angles and lengths it does.


  49. theasdgamer says:

    It ain’t going to get better, gentlemen.

    Ah, “gentlemen.” That lets me off the hook. :-{)>


  50. Cill says:

    Fuzzy 5:48 a.m. ” I am going to presume that by “living alone” means not cohabiting. There could be confusion over having a roomate.”

    New Zealanders must fill out a census every 5 years. It includes a number of questions re marital status. I forget exactly how they’re worded, but “Living alone” does mean “not cohabiting”. It means single, as in not in LTR or marriage. It’s the closest figure I’ve been able to find for “available”, but it still doesn’t account for those who are “single but not looking”.


  51. Tarnished says:

    The “single but not looking” crowd does tend to muss things up a bit. People of both sexes assume that every man or woman wants to get hitched as their Ultimate Goal in life.

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  52. Cill says:

    I’m just catching up with comments. I’d really rather not have read this:

    ‘The Army openly encouraged participating in April’s “Walk A Mile in Her Shoes” events in 2014, but now it appears as though ROTC candidates at ASU were faced with a volunteer event that became mandatory.’

    How to ensure that no man with real soldier potential will ever join the US military.

    The USA army is now on a par with that of the UN as an international laughing stock. If ever there was graphic evidence that women and armed forces do not go together, this is it. They will systematically wreck everything that men have put in place. Get used to it.

    Barking, barking mad.

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  53. Yoda says:

    Wear high heels women choose they do.

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  54. Cill says:

    My fav comment at http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/04/21/army-cadets-on-campus-forced-to-wear-red-high-heels-and-raise-awareness-of-debunked-rape-culture/ is from “Over50”
    (emphasis mine)

    ‘D**n it people, whenever you report something like this, NAME NAMES. You want to give the idiots in charge all the publicity they can handle. A quick search of ASU ROTC indicates that it is commanded by “Major Michelle Bravo” Let everyone know “Major Michelle Bravo” either gave this order or it happened on her watch. You want to repeat that name everywhere this article appears on the web so that any web search will link her to this idiocy.’

    I checked it out and “Over50” is right. “Major Michelle Bravo” it is.

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  55. jf13 says:

    re: objective measures

    If it’s good enough for me …

    But seriously, any average man is certainly MORE than good enough, objectively, to sexually pair off with any average woman and vice versa.
    1. Most body parts work at least fair to middling well.
    2. Not in major unusual risk of immediate death or causing immediate death.
    3. Not a total vegetable, not all the time anyway.
    And even these are negotiable for many people.

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  56. Tarnished says:

    Yes…but why?
    I admit to not being able to walk in them without flailing like a one-legged penguin. The few times I was forced to as a child, I thought that women were all masochists. 😕


  57. Liz says:

    “Yes…but why?”

    They look good. That’s it. My husband loves sexy shoes and I have a great number of them…several of which he bought me.

    Full disclosure, I have heels that I COULD walk a mile in…they’re from Italy and Spain, expensive ones not the payless variety these men are being forced to buy and wear. They’ll be nursing blisters for weeks, if they’re lucky enough not to sprain an ankle.

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  58. Tarnished says:

    We all know you’re a better woman than I, Liz. Being able to wear heels proves it. 😉


  59. Liz says:

    Lol! I’m sure you COULD wear heels, Tarn.
    But you’re more like a guy anyway. 😉


  60. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, I doubt that those shoes would do much for a Moehau Man female. They would tend to give their calves an unflattering “flexed” look. It’s a little known fact that Moehau Man females tend to extend rather than flex their calves during moments of ecstasy.

    Perhaps you should try some of Mrs Moehau Man (my industrious old mum)’s pikelets and stuff them into your shoes as shock absorbers. Chew them a bit first and they’ll work better still. Tell your friends. There could be a small commission in it for you…

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  61. Spawny Get says:

    “the entire Kiwi population is more masculine than the world average. Consequently the Kiwi male is more attractive than is his female counterpart.”

    Choicy said something like that too, didn’t he? Aussie Sheilas being better looking than the Kiwi ones?


  62. Liz says:

    Seriously though….how could you not LOVE shoes?
    Look at these:
    and these:

    And lookie…lookie here!:

    I even have high heels that look like sneakers…they are so, so cool. 🙂

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  63. SFC Ton says:

    Most guys need to do very little to improve their N count

    Chief among that very little is butching the fuck up and not given women any power over their lives

    Next step would be butching the fuck up and adopting some masculine purists. Traditional old fashioned masculine not skinny jeans latte drinking urban masculine. As in if it doesn’t carry a serious risk of injury or death it doesn’t count.

    That deal with the high heels is not driven by the military but by the college. College is no place for a man.

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  64. Liz says:

    Almost my entire first paycheck as a nurse went to shoes…including a pair of truly butt-ugly nursing shoes of course.


  65. Spawny Get says:

    “Deals with measuring angles and lengths it does.”

    Hang on a minute there, Skippy. Measure whatever angles and lengths that you wish…but till Nutterly here opens her gaping maw…the true horror lies hidden.

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  66. Cill says:

    Spawny, “Aussie Sheilas being better looking than the Kiwi ones”

    Yup. Ain’t no denying it. Kiwi women on average do look more masculine. I’d never admit it to Aussies though, they’d never stop crowing about it .


  67. Cill says:

    Hey mate, check it out – should be 3 likes came through on your latest.


  68. Spawny Get says:

    You counted them out and I counted them in…3.

    You sure we can’t sent Nutterly back to your neighbours?


  69. Spawny Get says:

    Nutterly has her ‘official’ twitter feed here


  70. Spawny Get says:

    Sorry, should be Nuttily Bennett, Nutterly makes her sound mad and dim…wouldn’t want people getting that impression.

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  71. Cill says:

    No we wouldn’t want that.

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  72. jf13 says:

    re: looking more masculine

    I fully understand some women can’t help their baseline masculinity, but what completely mystifies me is why many women butch up their their appearance.

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  73. I don’t think I could walk a mile in heels, myself! I bet a women’s studies teacher dreamed that one up!

    But then I have never really had a “good” pair of heels so maybe I, like Tarn, thought them masochistic. I mostly wear flats. Or muck boots! (The other day much boots, shorts, and a tank top – sexxxxxy! Lol.)

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  74. jf13 says:

    I mean, *other* than to show that “women are the same as men if not moreso”. Why would anyone aspire to look like a small weak effeminate man?

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  75. Cill says:

    “The other day much boots, shorts, and a tank top – sexxxxxy! Lol.”
    Yes to all the above except the muck boots. I can’t see the point in them, unless it’s to slow you down… >:D

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  76. jf13 says:

    Muck boots obviate the need for calluses, e.g. to prevent foot wounds and infections.


  77. Much boots are like wellies, good for wet and muddy conditions.:)


  78. It was a hot and sunny day but it’s still the mud season here.


  79. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    The whole “walk a mile in his shoes” was an admonition to not judge from a priest at a funeral.
    That feminists are finding ways to coerce men to walk a mile in high heels when they won’t themselves is duplicity of the hightest order.

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  80. jf13 says:

    re: Natalie Bennett

    Her poor grasp of figures is very … Green of her. According to a *leftist* rant, from what I can tell, £2.4 billion buys about 18,500 social rent homes, so 500,000 such homes would be in excess of £60 billion.

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  81. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Was it only yesterday that you linked Andrew Neil taking apart a Labour candidate for not having any idea how his project would be funded.
    Now this.
    Tomorrow, the Oxford English dictionary is going to link these two videos to the definition of “stupid”.

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  82. jf13 says:

    re: walk a mile in his moccasins

    The original original implication was not just walking “with” his shoes on, but “in” the same pathways that his shoes would trod.


  83. jf13 says:

    re: bear running

    I found a lot of videos of bears running, or rather charging, but only angrily.


  84. Cill says:

    My old mate Fred Dagg again, this time with the New Zealand Gumboot Song

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  85. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    We cn’t have swet, docile bears attacking in videos. It may make people nervous.

    Vox Day picked up the story.

    What would happen if a number of the ROTC men reported themselves as unfit for duy or injured and claimed that it was because they complied with orders?

    My Dad only told war stories that were fit for mixed company. One of them was how tetanus vaccine was left unrefrigerated and gotr real strong. Rather than give the soldiers shots in the arm, so they would be unable to shoot, they got their shots in the leg and couldn’t walk.
    This happened in the Pacific during WWII.

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  86. Yoda says:

    Moe shoes he does have?


  87. Yoda says:

    Posted this before here I have.
    Theodore Dalrymple fine Englishman he is.

    In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.


  88. jf13 says:

    Which mile to walk definitely seems a lot more important to me than which shoes. But there are a number of other impertinent questions that arise.
    1. Even supposing one does walk a mile in someone else’s shoes, doesn’t that mean that the other person is deprived of their own shoes during that time?
    2. What are the odds that a random person’s shoes fit another random person’s feet? To the nearest half-size (about half a cm near the middle), the answer from eyeballing the bimodal distribution of the mixed population seems to less than 7%.
    3. Is it easier to catch foot diseases from someone else or to reinfect ones’ own self? I’m leaning towards some kind of immunity theory, whereby somebody else’s slightly cleaner shoes are slightly more infectious to you than your own slightly dirtier shoes.

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  89. Yoda says:

    If US was metric a kilometer walked they would have.


  90. jf13 says:

    re: shuffling a mile in her hospital slippers

    Henry Rayhons was acquitted, which was the only possible verdict. The postmenopausal daughters, jealous that their ailing mother still got busy nearly every day that she could, used their bureaucratic connections to punish thier stepfather, with the eager help of the anti-white-men-sex crowd, zealous to try out their legal theory that women should be presumed to not want sex with white men.

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  91. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Thank you. BuenaVista brought up that story nearly a year ago and I never would have heard how it turned out without your link.
    Things are getting out of control.


  92. jf13 says:

    “How will bringing this knowledge into the open unfold?”

    1. “way too many times”
    2. e pluribus unum still has supporters, in practice
    even though logically “more than one” is necessarily more than one.


  93. thedeti says:

    I’m really late to this one. Great post and good questions, Farm Boy.

    1. I’m with Cill, jf and others regarding women’s attitude toward all this. Women aren’t really all that concerned. They can still marry pretty much when they want. They can still get good jobs. More women than men in college now. The ratio is 60% women to 40% men. In the US, diversity is all the rage, you know — professional women do very, very well here. Women can earn their own money and don’t need men to provide until they want children, and even then they don’t really need men other than to donate the sperm. And we all know how these ladies would like to receive their sperm donations.

    2. When women can earn their own money and don’t need men as providers, women’s sexual choices tend toward the “top” of the food chain. IOW, when a woman doesn’t have to focus on what she needs, she can set her sights on what she wants. And women can select men now for fun, excitement and tingles when they don’t need men for provisioning, protection and partnering.

    3. There are some who say that it can’t go on forever. True; but forever is a long, long time. It’s going to continue just like this for at least another 50-60 years. I will be long dead by the time this shakes out. It’s also going to get worse — a LOT worse. And I do mean much, much worse, all around.

    4. It’s going to be full on matriarchy. Women will select men for tingles. The chasm between sexual haves and have nots among men will widen. The top 20% will have an absolute bonanza. The rest of society’s men will get absolutely nothing. They won’t even be in the market. You’re looking at 4 out of 5 men who will be herbivores, earning just enough to share apartments with a few other men, and to buy their food, weed, beer, internet connections, and video games. They’ll sate their sexual desires with internet porn and maybe the occasional “get lucky”, maybe even a hooker once in a while. “Yes Means Yes” will by then be the law of the land — many men will be doing time for “rape” and “sexual assault” because they tried to kiss a girl or hold her hand. There will be more prostitution, it will probably be legal in a few states by then, and it will be somewhat cheaper.

    Many men will be on welfare or government assistance – food stamps, medical cards, “Section 8” housing. There will be ghettoes and urban enclaves of ever-dwindling numbers, populated overwhelmingly with undereducated, unemployed and underemployed men, all living at subsistence levels. But, unlike most American ghettoes, it will have low crime rates and look more or less well-kempt, despite the working-class and lower-class socioeconomic status of most of its dwellers.

    5. Women will hold most of the good paying jobs. A few will be paying child support to their former boy toy ex-husbands who got custody of the kid(s). But for most, mom will work her full time job and hire nannies and day care. Women will care only about the fortunes of the top 20% of men — the remainder of men are considered disposable.

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  94. thedeti says:

    I really think that young men in their teens and 20s should be prevailed on right now and learn the following, and fast:

    1. Most of you will not lose your virginity, if at all, until you are well into your 20s.

    2. Most of you are not good looking enough or attractive enough to attract a woman for a long term relationship. Even fewer of you will be attractive enough to sustain that attraction, if you’re lucky enough to actually get a woman interested in you for anything more than beta orbiter.

    3. Most of you will never marry. Most of you will never have any sort of meaningful intimate relationship with a woman in which she actually has sex with you on a regular basis and kinda sorta cares about you.

    4. Most of you will never be fathers of children.

    5. Most of you should plan for and get vasectomies as soon as possible.

    6. If “Yes Means Yes” becomes law, videotape every sexual encounter — even with your LTR. You will never, ever be able to trust her. You MUST be braced for the possibility that she could at any time claim you raped her. Even your LTR or wife could make that claim at any time.

    7. Most of you will never be able to earn enough by yourself to support a wife and child.

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  95. Farm Boy says:

    In the US, diversity is all the rage, you know

    Yes, we do know. And we got on the bandwagon.



  96. Farm Boy says:

    It’s going to be full on matriarchy. You’re looking at 4 out of 5 men who will be herbivores, earning just enough to share apartments with a few other men, and to buy their food, weed, beer, internet connections, and video games.

    Maybe the guys will like it.


  97. Liz says:

    Well, I’m not going to tell my sons they have no hope for a future and they should get a vasectomy as soon as possible. Do you have sons, deti? Is that what you tell them?


  98. thedeti says:


    This is not about me.

    Most men have a hope for a future. It is just that for most of them, their futures probably will not include marriage and fatherhood.

    We have to be realistic about it.

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  100. Farm Boy says:

    A new post is up.


  101. thedeti says:

    Or, Liz, if their futures do include “marriage” and “fatherhood”, those concepts will look quite different from the way you and I understand them. It might not be where a man gets a job and gets with one woman who also has a job and the two of them agree to stay with each other for life. They have children, and the man, the woman and their children all live together in the same house and they raise and teach and train the children together.

    That’s your and my concept of marriage, parenthood and family.

    I don’t think marriage, parenthood and family will look like that in the future for most men.

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  102. thedeti says:

    Traditional marriage and family (one man and one woman, legally married to each other, and living with their children all under the same roof) will be reserved only for the upper middle class and up. For the middle class, traditional marriage will be less common, and it will be rare to nonexistent for the lower middle class on down. Traditional marriage just won’t make economic sense for either men or women. They just won’t do it in the first place. If they do get married, well over half won’t make it.

    I fully expect divorce rates to increase as men continue to fail in the overall economy and women outpace them in earnings and overall SES.

    Unless a man is planning on making it to the upper middle class in the US, marriage will be very, very hard for him to get and sustain. Very, very difficult.

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  103. Sumo says:

    I find it amusing that Fuzzie keeps bringing up events in my town.

    Re: the “walk a mile in her shoes” nonsense, I went to high school with the girl who organizes that event ’round these parts. My theory on why it’s so “popular” has nothing to do with dudes wanting to make a statement.

    The girl is built like Christina Hendricks. Except with bigger….eyes.


  104. Poseidon says:

    @ thedeti:

    I agree totally with all your speculations. I can see this cultural decline going on indefinitely as women will not need men for protection or provisioning in the future, perhaps forever from now. Of course Christians who believe the prophecies of the bible have faith that those prophecies will come to pass……….


  105. jf13 says:

    re: “It’s going to be full on matriarchy.”

    Yes. It almost already is. Half of kids live with their single moms. Of the other half, MOST of the “heads of households”, making all not just some of the major life decidions, are the moms. I’d wager we’re at least 80% matriarchy already and have been for a couple generations.


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