Oops


Why do unmarried teens/early 20s women get pregnant? Liz suggests that from her experience, it is never from lack of knowledge.  So why do they do it?  How often is it intentional?  Would young women admit to intentionality?  And how often are they “accidents” built around plausible deniability?

Since I don’t normally interact with females of this age group, I am not sure as to the reasons.  Perhaps commenters can chime in with their experiences.  Below is list of non mutually exclusive possibilities,

1.  Get welfare money

2.  Trap him for marriage

3. “Create a baby who will love me”

4.  Get back at a parent

5.  Trap him into a relationship

6.  “We have a relationship, so why not?”

7.  Admiration/attention from others

8.  Know better, but did not think it through

None of the above reflect well upon the teen/early 20s female.  Perhaps I am being a bit harsh.  But perhaps not.

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129 comments on “Oops
  1. Farm Boy says:

    So how do we let this happen?

    Are we stupid as a society?

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  2. SFC Ton says:

    Universal suffrage and immigration

    The society has been dead for generations but it took awhile

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  3. Farm Boy says:

    So the answer is yes, we are stupid as a society.

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  4. Farm Boy says:

    Allowing this to happen is so very costly, both in terms of money and the negative impact on those involved. But for some reason, people brush it off as a minor problem.

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  5. Tarnished says:

    I’ve seen girls and women get pregnant for all the above reasons, plus some.

    1. Sometimes it truly is a mistake, like a misused/broken condom or forgotten Pill or two. Then there’s the fact that, while birth control works the majority of the time…even when used correctly it could fail. Doesn’t happen often, but then even once is “enough”. Obviously if the girl/woman knows she’s in danger of an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy she could go get an abortion. But some states have very stupid rules and wait times, or perhaps it’s against her beliefs to have one. Thus, some are honest mistakes.

    2. A supremely misguided idea that if she has a baby, she will be loved. This happens with girls or women who lack in self-esteem and have few (if any) relationships that make her feel wanted or needed. So, in her confused state of mind, she believes that by having a baby she’ll be “loved”. Of course this doesn’t work because human infants are incredibly dependant and greedy by nature.

    3. An attempt to save a marriage or engagement. Similar to #2, but in this case the woman thinks that the baby will bring them together again.

    I’m sure there are other reasons, but between the original list and my 3, I can’t think of any more right now.

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  6. SFC Ton says:

    Limiting high risk surgical procedures that always end in death is stupid?

    Progressives are always the same but it’s really funny when they support.the progressive agenda and say they aren’t progressive

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    A supremely misguided idea that if she has a baby, she will be loved. This happens with girls or women who lack in self-esteem and have few (if any) relationships that make her feel wanted or needed.

    Girls seem to need this more than guys. Of course, they go about it the wrong way. And we all suffer.

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  8. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I would like to see cheap and reliable male contraception become real. It will be an uphill battle because women do like having one hundred percent conrol of reproduction. However, the babymamas have to be put out of business.

    There is a story told by a Brazilian inventor of a male contraceptive derived from cottonseed. He ran into Betty Friedan in Budapest for a convention related to this and asked what she thought. At first, a strong freaction against effective male contraception. When asked why, she responded with how could the woman trust the man. I think her response didn’t go to the core of her concern.

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  9. Farm Boy says:

    I think her response didn’t go to the core of her concern.

    That probably happened often with her.

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    Feminists in one easy lesson.

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  11. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    That was the first time that I have seen that Big Red video. That is enough to take the lead out of anyone’s pencil.

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  12. Liz says:

    Teen pregnancies seem to be kind of “contagious” (similar to other things like divorce) among families and groups. Part of it is laziness (“forgot” to take the pill, and so forth), another part is that feeling of invincibility (“won’t happen to me”), part of it might be love and other things mentioned.

    Take a person who is impulsive and stupid (teenhood is a particularly impulsive, stupid time in life), condition them via media and social messages that sex is not only okay, it’s expected and there’s actually something wrong with them if they don’t engage in it (that’s the real message of the “kids are going to do it anyway!!”). It’s a recipe for promiscuity and stupid choices.

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  13. Between abstinence and condoms males do have some options that are very affective at preventing pregnancy (but we should have more). We can very effectively choose to not become parents. To ask why specifically women become pregnant I believe is a bit misguided. It takes two to tango. If we look at why the boys agreed to participate, we get a more well rounded picture. Teen and early 20’s people, male and female, don’t consider consequences properly. Young adults, male and female, take stupid risks. Women in that age range, just like boys in that age range, chose to have sex without protection and without considering the consequences.

    I’m sure the “A baby will make me happy” and “I wanted to trap him in a relationship” are reasons some women got pregnant, but a strong majority where “I didn’t think it would happen to me” (and this gives cover to the people that actually intended to get pregnant covertly)

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  14. jf13 says:

    It is largely #3, with all the other reasons too.
    http://www.amazon.com/Promises-Can-Keep-Motherhood-Marriage/dp/0520241134

    Young women, young young, teens, can have amazingly strong baby rabies. I’m not sure why some do and some do not, but for those teen moms who do, the *sexual* urge to have a baby seems as strong a motivator to sex as the urge to ejaculate in a fertile vagina is for teen boys.

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  15. Spawny Get says:

    You have to laugh. If you watch the whole clip you can see that the guy has no idea about the policies he’s there to champion. ‘The mansion tax’ is an extra theft from people owning houses of 2 million squids and up. The proceeds of which are being used to cure world hunger, find a cure for cancer, free champagne and caviar for all.

    Watch from 2:30…from 7:45 the guy is on the ropes…then he pretends that he can’t hear the interviewer…then he listens to a question and answers another…and then…

    fcuking hilarious. I love Andrew Neil.

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  16. Yoda says:

    Young women, young young, teens, can have amazingly strong baby rabies.

    Policy to handle this society should.
    Odd that they really do not.

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  17. Yoda says:

    If boys operated as selfishly as these women do
    Nailed to the wall they would be.

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  18. Yoda says:

    Baby rabies recede in the twenties they do?

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  19. Yoda says:


    condition them via media and social messages that sex is not only okay, it’s expected and there’s actually something wrong with them if they don’t engage in it

    Media evil it would be.
    Intentional this is.

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  20. jf13 says:

    re: “Baby rabies recede in the twenties they do?”

    Yes, for the young teen moms. But no, I think, for the women who did not have baby rabies in their teens. I’ve certainly known some women who were dying for a baby in their thirties and claimed it was the first time they had felt that way.

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  21. Yoda says:

    some women who were dying for a baby in their thirties

    Happen to Tarn this will?

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  22. Liz says:

    I never had “baby rabies” until after our first one was out of diapers.

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  23. Yoda says:

    Do Moehau Men women baby rabies get they do?

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  24. missattempts says:

    I’ve decided to devote the limited time I have left to encourage mentally
    depraved people to commit suicide.
    I never knew how many Eliot Rodgers types there really were until I learned how
    to use a computer at the age of 54.
    The simple solution to stopping massacures is to gently encourage these self
    admitted “losers” to end it before their anger becomes so great that they strike out
    at some female person that you love.
    I’m not speaking about most of the people that post here. I would suspect that every
    one here (Except yours truly) has had sex, so they know what they’re giving up.
    I don’t think it’s right that real freaks of nature should be fed, housed, and clothed
    and provided with weapons and transportation to hunt down women.
    THE BEAUTIFUL WOMAN IS MAGNIFICENT! SHE GIVES US REASON TO LIVE!
    THE SOCIAL OUTCAST IS TRASH! THERE IS NO HOPE FOR HIM! (Usually it’s a
    “him.”)
    A crazed gun man cannot differentiate between a pretty blond “rejecter,” and a woman
    like Tarnished, who would accept him. (Though she probably wouldn’t _______ him.
    Why should she?)
    I would rather this hate filled rubbish terminate it’s OWN existance, then randomly
    open fire into a crowd.
    So how do we persuade them? Work the misery angle. Say to them: “How can
    you live like this? There is an escape. No more pain. And who’s to say there are
    no willing girls on the other side?

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  25. Liz says:

    I wouldn’t want to encourage anyone to commit suicide.
    Not to put too fine a point on the obvious, Elliot Rogers did go on his rampage at the point in time he decided to end it all.

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  26. Yoda says:

    Missattempts is Jedi material not.

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  27. Yoda says:

    Missattempts perhaps tries to misdirect…

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  28. jf13 says:

    re: “Not to put too fine a point on the obvious”

    Indeed. Invariably, although there aren’t enough to have real statistics, these “suicide by rampage” versions of “suicide by cop” are merely nonideological versions of suicide bomber terrorism.

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  29. jf13 says:

    “Baby …” from Britney when she was 16 and “Oops …” when she was 18 (mercifully not linking the videos) both revolve around the idea that what a teen girl does sexually is simultaneously premeditated and open to accidents happening. Her major creative contribution was the concepts for the videos – sexually active Catholic Schoolgirl In Trouble and If Men Are From Mars Then Britney Is Too Even Moreso, respectively.

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  30. Yoda says:

    Jf13 from where did that come?

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  31. jf13 says:

    @Yoda,
    What, you don’t recognize when someone is trying to be On Topic?

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  32. Yoda says:

    “Reference” I do desire.

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  33. Yoda says:

    Who Britney she is?

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  34. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Missatttempts,
    I think your concept is illadvised. To begin with, sexually frustrated men do not turn to mass murder as Elliot Rodger attempted. They tend to do themselves in.

    Should you run across people that are in need of professional hlp, be very careful where you send them. Very few counselors are prepared to deal with men’s issues. Dr. Tara Palmatier of shrink4men.com and Tom Golden would be two places to start and may be able to refer.

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  35. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    This whole business about sexual acccusations on campus has gotton completely out of hand.
    http://www.cotwa.info/2015/04/a-student-who-sometimes-awoke-his-long.html

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  36. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    Holy crap. They’re even going after gay men now? I kinda feel bad about posting that joke meme about how “being gay is oppressive”. If a gay college student can be suspended for *giving a wake up kiss to his boyfriend of 3 frickin years*, then there is no hope.

    None.

    It’s over.

    Missattempts,

    Please don’t ever advise someone to kill themselves. That’s far too many levels of wrong.

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  37. Poseidon says:

    “Take a person who is impulsive and stupid (teenhood is a particularly impulsive, stupid time in life), condition them via media and social messages that sex is not only okay, it’s expected and there’s actually something wrong with them if they don’t engage in it (that’s the real message of the “kids are going to do it anyway!!”). It’s a recipe for promiscuity and stupid choices.”

    Exactly correct

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  38. Poseidon says:

    “Should you run across people that are in need of professional hlp, be very careful where you send them. Very few counselors are prepared to deal with men’s issues. ”

    Very true!

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  39. Poseidon says:

    Tarn, do you play chess?

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  40. Tarnished says:

    I’ve actually never been taught how to play. When I say that there are no tabletop/board gamers in my family other than myself, it’s true. We didn’t even own a copy of Clue or Monopoly, much less chess, checkers, or dominoes. Sad, really…

    However, I excel at logic puzzles and tangram-oriented games. I have always liked games where you have to flip pictures or words around to “win”. Lol, I’m much better at it than my FwB. Whenever we go somewhere with friends, I have to pack the trunk because his spatial awareness is…well, I’ll be kind and say “negligible”. 😉

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  41. Tarnished says:

    Yoda @ 3:17
    Happen to Tarn this will?

    Yes. I am eagerly anticipating being the world’s most fun aunt when my siblings have kids. 😛 😉

    Otherwise:

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  42. Poseidon says:

    Via Starbucks, I got the Dwelp game for free. I cruised through 119 of the 120 patterns, but I just cannot solve pattern #120. Have you or anybody else successfully solved it?

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  43. Spawny Get says:

    I’m as clue-less as Tarn. What is this Dwelp of which you speak?

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  44. Tarnished says:

    Poseidon,
    I don’t have that game. I’m sorry. 😦

    Jf13,
    Wait…I realize that’s a large campus, but they already have 17 gender neutral bathrooms, which I approve of. How many more do they need? 😕

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  45. Spawny Get says:

    Ahead of its time by 3 decades.

    Better than Killary, a real Dick you can believe in.

    (Michael Foot was the old tramp running for leader of the Labour party at the time – he only went and won. Their hard left manifesto for the following general election was called ‘the longest suicide note in history’. They lost)

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  46. Spawny Get says:

    I’m thinking Moe, here.

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  47. I tried to post this earlier but my Internet has been spotty today. I think JF13 is talking about Brittney Spears? Luckily my oldest was too young to experience either Brittney mania or Miley mania but I am sure they have another tween idol in the works. I guess back in my day it was Madonna. They are like alpha females, leading the herd of girls astray.

    I agree with Liz, somehow one’s virginity became something to “get rid of” as part of the teen experience. So sad, so so so sad. Some teen pregnancies are planned but I think many are of the “It won’t happen to ME” magical thinking.

    My oldest is already getting sex ed and anti drug and alcohol info at school. I was surprised by her coming home and talking about HIV and such. My guess is the school is trying to get them the info before they need it, but 5th grade seems too young to me. I agree it’s almost like they are being prepped to get started by 8th or 9th grade. And sadly many will. I realize bc of this post, it’s not too soon to start having the, “it’s ok to wait, it’s better to wait, waiting is the best way to love, respect, and protect yourself all that needless pain and heartbreak.” I sure hope that they listen!

    Advising someone to do themselves in? Yikes! As others have said that’s like pouring fuel on a flame, too many of those tragedies are a final spree of repressed anger before they do themselves in which was the outcome most expected anyway. Missattempts I hope you will please rethink that idea.

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  48. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, the gorilla clip at 9:15 pm is a pretty rare thing. It actually depicts a close relative without being condescending towards him.

    As Mrs Moehau Man (my proud old mum) says,”Let they who laugh at our body hair take notice that our society fails to make tarts of our daughters and wimps of our sons.”

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  49. Yoda says:

    Moe,

    Your Mum lots of body hair she does have?

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  50. Yoda says:

    Tarn a million voices in her head she does have
    Write a book like Sybil one could.
    Long it would be.

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  51. Tarnished says:

    Well, not anymore…lol.

    Why do you say that, Yoda?

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  52. Yoda says:

    Obi-Wan says it for you he does.

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  53. Spawny Get says:

    IowaHawk says. Based on the people who say they drink them, male tears cause more brain damage than lead paint chips. #Science

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  54. Spawny Get says:

    Somebody else explained that ‘male tears’ means semen.

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  55. Poseidon says:

    I find this blog unique in that the participants are quite diverse. Imagine if a TV sitcom could be created with all of us, kinda like MASH if anybody remembers. It would be both very funny and sad at times.

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  56. Poseidon says:

    Egalitarialistically speaking, if the male version is called semen, then the female version outta be called sewoman.

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  57. Yoda says:

    Call them “swimmy guys” you should.
    Chick in above link explode she would.

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  58. Yoda says:

    the participants are quite diverse

    Most diverse I am.
    Then Moe
    Then the bear.
    Then the unicorn
    Then Padowan
    Probably a diversity award we should win.

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  59. Tarnished says:

    Hooray! We’re Different!

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    So a beatified evil monkey doesn’t rate as diverse? FML

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  61. Tarnished says:

    I present all my diverse friends and fellow commenters with a generous helping of vegetarian foodstuffs from my pantry.

    🌽🍒🍓🍆🍄🍏🍌🍲🍚🍮🍔🍞🍝🍦🍺☕🍩🍪🍳🍈

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  62. Poseidon says:

    Most diverse Yoda be
    Moe, The Bear and Unicorn the next three

    Then would be Padowan
    Since as yet we have no nun

    Diversity award inflame might occur
    SJW’s we do not want to stir

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  63. Spawny Get says:

    Word order of Yoda combined with the poetry of Padawan. My life is now complete…

    Good night

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  64. Yoda says:

    So a beatified evil monkey doesn’t rate as diverse?

    A white male you are.
    Privilege you do have.
    MSGL makes for even more privilege it does.

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  65. Spawny Get says:

    Mmm bacon and eggs.

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  66. Cill says:

    So where do I fit in with all this diversity business?

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  67. Yoda says:

    A white male you are.
    Lowest of low you would be.
    But still work you must for betterment of all.

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  68. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Social Justice Warriors would not be pleased that we would qualify as being “diverse”.
    As for what my eqquine friend thinks of SJWs…

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  69. Yoda says:

    Animal farm the world now is.
    White males must work.
    Pay their debt to society they must.
    Work free make you it will.

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  70. Tarnished says:

    “Work makes you free”…

    Yes, I suppose working someone into their grave does eventually result in freedom from one’s body.
    /sad sarcasm :/

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  71. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    I recognize the location used for filming War and Rememberance in your picture of 12:39am.
    I don’t have a clue as to where the 12:40am picture was taken.

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  72. Yoda says:

    Czech Republic it would be.

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  73. Liz says:

    I still can’t believe you had your first orgasm at seven, Tarn.
    (random thought alert, trigger, and all that…)

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  74. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Off topic but outrageous enoughj to link.

    The video that teeldeer is fisking must have been produced by an NGO for Indian consumption. It would not surprise me if tax dollars ended up there to make this travesty.

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  75. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    There is a response to “Arbeit Macht Frei”.

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  76. Yoda says:

    random thought alert, trigger, and all that…

    Late you would be.

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  77. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    I am overdue on an aviation video. To tie it in to Escape from Sobibor, what did all these people do once they escaped? Some of them could have walked south and joined the “Patisan Air Force”. The film is not on youtube 😦

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  78. Trigger warning:

    Actually Tarn I have you beat! We used to shimmy up poles in first grade, about halfway up ka-pow! Of course we had no idea what was happening but we climbed those poles every day at recess! Lol. As an adult, i had that akward “aah ha, so thats what that was!” moment. Sorry, tmi…;)

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  79. … And then I tealize someone could naturally bring up pole dancing, so I will just preempt that now (and no, there was never pole dancing!)

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  80. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Not in first grade!!! I’ll bet you were cute though. You reminded me of how I felt about girls at that age. It wasn’t until later that gorls got “cooties”.

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  81. Fuzzie we really had no idea! I swear! Good clean fun. 😉

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  82. As a little kid I had lots of freckles. Did you like girls w freckles, fuzzie?

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  83. Liz says:

    Lol! The playground pole, huh? That’s hilarious Bloom. 😀
    I didn’t make my big discovery until after high school.
    (shower massager)
    😛

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  84. Cill says:

    I wonder if the first time, how it happened and the age we were when it happened, can produce strange and even freakish changes in us in extreme cases.

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  85. Little girls w freckles and pig tails who talk nearly non-stop? And like Swedish fish? 🙂 I was a rascal.

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  86. Uh oh Cill what are you trying to say???

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  87. Liz says:

    “I wonder if the first time, how it happened and the age we were when it happened, can produce strange and even freakish changes in us…”

    Ever since, I’ve had fantasies about aqua man…
    😛

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  88. Cill says:

    Liz
    HAHAHAHAHA!

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  89. Farm Boy says:

    A new post is up

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  90. Farm Boy says:

    Of course we had no idea what was happening but we climbed those poles every day at recess!

    I used to hang from the clothes line pole in the back yard when I was seven. It was surprisingly pleasant.

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  91. Akward moment: tonight I was talking to my ex-husband’s new wife (following this?) and she says, “you should come to our church, there are tons of hot single guys” would that be weird, or ??? I am not sure she was thinking that theu. But actually I really like her, she’s a good egg. Oddly enough,

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  92. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    You have freckles?!?! I have freckles too. Now, we do have to get together and make lots of freckle faced children.

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  93. Cill says:

    Attaboy, Fuzzy!

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  94. I spent my childhood chasing lizards, roller skating, and swimming, mostly. And climbing poles… (Ak. Delete delete delete!)

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  95. Better hurry it up fuzzie! The clock is ticking! 🙂 I always have wanted one more, a boy!

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  96. Cill says:

    Where would a bear have freckles, I wonder. I can think of only one on a bear.

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  97. Oops! Did I say that? 😉

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  98. Cill says:

    Yeah Fuzzy you better get cracking mate.
    Fuz… zee!
    Fuz… zee!
    Fuz… zee!
    I’m cheering for ya bro

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  99. Farm Boy says:

    Where would a bear have freckles

    On the nose?

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  100. Tarnished says:

    Lol, I only did it to fall asleep at night. One night, I guess I just…went a little farther? And then I was was like “Wow, that’s awesome!”

    Cill, how dare you insinuate there’s a link between freakishness and mostly innocent funtimes. We obviously *know* that’s the case. 😉

    Oh, and I nearly forgot:

    Fuzzie and Bloom,
    sitting in a tree.
    K-I-S-S-I-N-G

    😀

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  101. Poseidon says:

    @RPC:

    “Akward moment: tonight I was talking to my ex-husband’s new wife (following this?) and she says, “you should come to our church, there are tons of hot single guys” would that be weird, or ??? I am not sure she was thinking that theu. But actually I really like her, she’s a good egg. Oddly enough,”

    This is outstanding if you are coparenting with your X. Wonderful news.

    @ Fuzzie:

    Hat Tip to you bro……….

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  102. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    “Where would a bear have freckles?”
    That’s for the bear to know and Bloom to find out.

    Bloom,
    OH MY!!!

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  103. (Sound of a terrified bear heading for the hills w bloom in hot pursuit!)

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  104. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Oops pregnancies will ruin your life, regardless of your response. Be told.

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  105. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I went looking for a video of a running bear and I’ll I could find were music viddeos about Indians.
    Hint: bears have a sweet tooth. You might offer some Toblerone.

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  106. (Bloom plans to head to the store tomorrow for Toblerone in every flavor!)

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  107. FuzzieWuzzie says:

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  108. Cill says:

    couldn’t find “a video of a running bear” .

    Not even of one running bare?

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  109. (And a few extra to throw the Bloomettes off the trail of the real stash! Those rapscallions!) 😉

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  110. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    There was a dearth of them, even in their fur coats. I found this,,

    which linked to this.

    While it’s all Greek to me, it does look as if they’ll fix the guy up.

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  111. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Uh oh! The Bloomettes have discovered that Mom plays hide and seek with chocolate?
    Of course they want to play!

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  112. jf13 says:

    tmi trigger alert. But first, note which guys (males or females) are revealing personal stuff.

    re: “As an adult, i had that akward “aah ha, so thats what that was!” moment.”

    The light bulb went off, as Poseidon said.

    re: “I only did it to fall asleep at night. One night, I guess I just…went a little farther?”

    Being the oldest I had my own bed, and pillows. The little ones were nice enough for years, but as I got older, 10-ish, confusingly unsatisfying.

    re: “I didn’t make my big discovery until after high school. (shower massager)”

    I made my big discovery in the morning shower at 11, trying yet again to “get rid of” something internal I could feel was directly connected to morning, eh, external stiffness. When it finally all came together, it hurt so bad, so good; something a boiling geyser would understand.

    Thereafter, I tried to sublimate those urges into more innocuous pursuits such as marking my territory. That’s *probably* yet another urge and feeling that females don’t quite grasp, but I could be wrong about some. Do females (humans) feel the urge to pee all over objects and areas, surreptitiously or not, to claim them?

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  113. Liz says:

    “Do females (humans) feel the urge to pee all over objects and areas, surreptitiously or not, to claim them?”

    Lol! Speaking only for myself…definitely not.
    😛

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  114. Tarnished says:

    Like, literally pissed on furniture or something?
    No, absolutely not.

    However, I’m pretty territorial. Very few people are allowed in my home, and I don’t take kindly whatsoever to people touching my things or taking my food. It’s one of the only times I’ll get confrontational.

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  115. jf13 says:

    Yes, literally pissing on stuff, but moreso outside. I had probably a full square mile that I continually “updated” in my early teens, and not just the perimeter. The involuntariness of the marking urge seemingly completely vanished by the time I had to work full time at 15, but the memories, maybe, of the involuntariness made the subsequent voluntariness seem more normal (word choice?), although the frequency dropped a lot.

    I don’t know *any* grown men who literally have the involuntary urge to mark their territory, and only about half remember it when younger.

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  116. Liz says:

    Heh, that’s interesting Jf13….maybe the ‘urge’ is socialized out of them?

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  117. jf13 says:

    It felt purely biological, not social per se. And since the marking is usually done alone and out-of-the-way, there isn’t any communal aspect. hmm. Maybe it is “supposed” to be more communal?

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  118. @ Poseidon re co-parenting, oh yes absolutely. I have always gone to great lengths to make sure that all runs smoothly there, not for me, for my kids. I once saw a couple, obviously doing a visit hand off, fighting loudly with each other as their little girl stood nearby, ignored. Kids should NEVER have to go thru that, gosh, it is hard enough. One needs to remember who the grown ups are, and be grown up about it IMHO.

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  119. And now let’s see here (spreads the Toblerone bars out in a fan shape…) Milk, Dark, White, Fruit and Nut and what’s this? Apparently brand new — Crunchy Salted Almond?!?!? Sorry, that one got taste tested in the parking lot! But I only ate two triangles (so far…) Lol. It’s very similar to the Milk one, but with a touch of salt and twice the crunchy bits. Nom, nom, nom…

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