The Bible says that men will always have to toil.  And so far it seems to be correct.  And it probably will be true on this point in the future (but maybe not as much in the near future).

With all of the social changes of the last fifty years, the fact that men are expected to work has not changed one bit.  Women can work, not work, be a SAHM, live off of welfare with her children, etc.  But men have only one option — to work.  Probably this is because having civilization function well requires men to work.  It needs their drive (hurray for testosterone), their ability to exert their muscles, their willingness to do nasty and dangerous jobs, their high IQs to make it all happen.

None of this is explicitly acknowledged.  Perhaps if it was, then men would realize how much power they really do have.  This might be one reason why the MSM never acknowledges MGTOW.  For to acknowledge it might give men ideas (or cause a preference cascade), and one cannot have that; men must toil and create excess value say the authorities.

Perhaps this is why Japan is helpless in the face of the herbivores.  What Godzilla could not do, the herbivores will accomplish.  Japan needs them to toil, to work the long hours, to strive.  But they are not willing.  And to call attention to them makes the problem worse.  What is a Government to do?

Posted in FarmBoy, Feminism, MGTOW
108 comments on “Toil
  1. Tarnished says:

    “Women can work, not work, be a SAHM, live off of welfare with her children, etc.”

    Men should be given the same options. That’s all there is to it.

    “…their high IQs to make it all happen.”

    This part is worded strangely, given that there’s generally more women of average IQ and men tend to either be above or below. What does society do with the below average IQ men?


  2. Farm Boy says:

    What does society do with the below average IQ men?

    They do physical labor.

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  3. Farm Boy says:

    Almost all of the high IQ people in the world are men.
    And almost all of the low IQ people in world are men.

    Women tend to cluster around the mean IQ

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  4. SFC Ton says:

    In the usa.lower IQ men are displaced by immigrants

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  5. Poseidon says:

    “What does society do with the below average IQ men?”

    For them society can maintain the expectation that they marry and not swallow the red pill and thereby not adopt a lifestyle of comparative sanity and fulfillment.

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  6. Tarnished says:

    Why Farm Boy…I didn’t know you were an echo! 😉


  7. Tarnished says:

    Agreed, Poseidon.
    I think about that at times. If more MGTOW are high intelligence and they aren’t having kids, it doesn’t bode well for the future of our species. Oh odd it would be, that homo sapiens aren’t undone by disease or asteroid or war…but by ourselves.


  8. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    This is what led me to this little corner of the internet. In this video, she enumerates many things leading men to just give up all the way around.

    I don’t think that she believes very much in it now. She expects men to carry the economy beause people who don’t care about them are dependent.


  9. Poseidon says:

    @ Fuzzie:

    Thanx for the video. She is right on!


  10. Yoda says:

    I don’t think that she believes very much in it now.

    Change her mind she did?
    Why would this be?


  11. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s that she sees the economy go unsupported if too many men go MGTOW. I think that it may be in here.


  12. jf13 says:

    re: preference cascade

    Men aren’t herd creatures, and we don’t even cotton to following fads. But we sure do love being proven right time and again.


  13. Cill says:

    Men cf Women IQ:

    Looking at the graph produced from this meta-analysis, beyond the 130 cut-off, the ratio of the areas under the curve for males and females is about 2:1.

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  14. Spawny Get says:


    why isn’t the male distribution wider than the female one? The two SDs appear to be shown as being identical. I don’t believe that’s true.

    That plot shows male mean IQ as higher than female mean (heard of this, VERY unpopular). About 6 points is what I’ve heard, which ties in with the plot above. Remove female IQ ‘drag factor’ from whites and our mean IQ is the same as East Asians.

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  15. Yoda says:

    why isn’t the male distribution wider than the female one?

    Good question this is.
    Reality agrees with Patriarch it does.

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  16. thedeti says:

    Tarnished: “What does society do with the below average IQ men?”

    Farm Boy: “They do physical labor.”

    Pretty much. Low skill jobs, jobs in which they do what others tell them, and as military cannon fodder (Army grunts and Navy swabbies).

    It used to be a man with a 90 or 95 IQ could make an OK living starting out. I went to high school with a lot of men like this, of slightly below average IQ. They weren’t retarded, but they weren’t college bound anytime soon. They didn’t like or excel at school all that much, and high executive functioning wasn’t for them. They graduated high school and either got on at the local factory, worked for the state road maintenance crew, or joined the Army. Came back from the military, maybe then work at the factory or get police/fire training, or drive a truck, or get a trades apprenticeship.

    Now? Factory jobs? Pensions? Ha. Don’t make me laugh. Those jobs are gone and they are NEVER coming back. American heavy industry/ assembly line work is more or less dead. The military has been feminized and subjected to political correctness within an inch of its life. There hasn’t been a conventional, full scale, boots on the ground military operation in 50 years. These men wouldn’t last a month in today’s military- – they’d be up on sex harassment and “insensitivity” charges right off the bat. The current administration hates the military. And enlistment requirements are up — high school diploma and decent grades are required.

    As for local police/fire, municipal budgets are strained to the breaking point, the jobs aren’t there, and local hostility to police agencies and law enforcement tactics has never been higher. Police work is also now much more sophisticated and taking on more of a paramilitary function. As for the trades, it’s difficult to get an apprenticeship, the work is difficult, it requires some smarts and executive function. Lots of men can’t pass the federal CDL testing for a truck driving license because they either cannot (or don’t want to do the work to) learn and retain the information necessary to pass the written testing part of the licensing.

    Now, even if he does all this, there’s still no guarantee he’ll get a job. Even if he gets a job there’s no guarantee he’ll be able to make a living wage just to support himself. And even if he can support himself there’s absolutely no way he can earn enough to support a wife. And even if he can support himself, a wife and kids, he’s probably unable to attract one or keep her long enough to avoid being frivorced.

    The typical below average intelligence man is at the bottom of the totem pole and will always be there. Society no longer has any place for him. He isn’t attractive for marriage. He’s unlikely to get married and, if he does marry, he’s at enormous risk for frivorce. He’s always in danger of losing his job. He can never make ends meet. He can’t support a family on his own; his wife (if he can get one) will have to work. His wife doesn’t respect him; his children hate him; his society doesn’t want him.

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  17. thedeti says:

    Culturally, socially and politically, the United States does not have the stomach, the grit, or the resolve for all out war. If this were September 1939 (Hitler’s invasion of Poland and the start of WWII) or December 8, 1941 (one day after Pearl Harbor), we’d roll over and let the Germans and Japanese tickle our tummies.

    Ever since Korea, this nation has not had the stomach to stand up to its enemies. This nation’s people have decided that the US isn’t worth fighting for and sure as hell isn’t worth dying for.


  18. theasdgamer says:

    @ deti

    Low IQ low intelligence

    IQ is measured relative to one’s age peers. An old person with an average IQ might be much more intelligent than a young person with a high IQ.


  19. theasdgamer says:

    low IQ not equal to low intelligence


  20. jf13 says:

    The key to civilization success is to empower betas reproductively.


  21. Yoda says:

    The key to civilization success is to empower betas reproductively.

    A high price for women to pay this is.
    Rather civilization fail they would.

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  22. jf13 says:

    re: standard deviation

    Yes, the female standard deviation in IQ is lower than the male. Typically maybe 0.83 is a good ratio.

    Note, in accord with intralocus sexual conflict, females seem to be selecting based on population variablity and NOT mean IQ; if higher IQs were selected for then we’d all be geniuses.


  23. Yoda says:

    Modern women select based on Tingles they do.


  24. jf13 says:

    A lot of women’s overall choices make a horrifyingly brutal kind of perverse evolutionary logic. The big example I keep bringing up is the demographic-economic paradox. Women, but not men, are the opposite of roaches. Treat them well and they have fewer children; make their lives a living hell and they breed like, well, roaches. This r/K selection transition makes negative sense from a male pov.

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  25. jf13 says:

    “Why have more children when you can’t take care of the ones you already have?” is a sensible ordinary logical question, right? But the whispered presentient evolutionary response from females is “I must have more children since the ones I already have probably won’t make it” has a hair-raisingly perverse, almost satanic-seeming brutal logic of its own.

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  26. Yoda says:

    A real Murican Football coach this is,

    Spawny and Fuzzie unhappy they might be.
    British bear second fiddle he now is.


  27. jf13 says:

    I think the major triumph of feminism was succesfully getting validation for women’s point of view: the average ordinary unattractive male should not only think he might have a real chance with women “He actually thought he had a chance! With me!”, he should be made to feel every single day from puberty onwards that he MUST never expect to have a real chance.


  28. Yoda says:

    the average ordinary unattractive male should not only think he might have a real chance with women

    But toil still he must.


  29. Spawny Get says:

    Tarnished: “What does society do with the below average IQ men?”

    The really dumb ones have blogs.

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  30. Liz says:

    Lol Spawny. 😀

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  31. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I want to see Paddington Bear! A LOT!

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  32. Liz says:

    Deti: “Ever since Korea, this nation has not had the stomach to stand up to its enemies. This nation’s people have decided that the US isn’t worth fighting for and sure as hell isn’t worth dying for.”

    Well…point of order. They do seem pretty keen to send SOME out to fight and die.

    Just like they are with spending other people’s money, lots of people are very generous with other people’s lives. And morale has never been so low.

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  33. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Axis strategists never considered that the Allies would fight a long war of attition. When asked, Yamamoto said that japan would enjoy six months of full latitude, after that there were no guarantees.
    They expected something short and it would lead to negotiation.

    That Pearl Harbor was attacked before the Japanese Embassy could deliver a declaration of war to Cordell Hull infuriated the American public beyond tolerance.

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  34. jf13 says:

    re: “should not only think ”

    Should not only not think, etc.


  35. Liz says:

    You know a LOT about WWII history, Fuzzie. I don’t often hear something I didn’t know about that era, but I’ve learned some stuff from you. For example, that bit about Germany giving it’s one (aircraft carrier, was it?) to the USSR. I didn’t even know Germany had one of those.

    Is it just a hobby or do you have some formal educational background in military history?


  36. theasdgamer says:

    The number one US weapon in WW II was the sub, for strategic reasons related to attrition. It would have been even more effective had the original torpedo worked properly. The sub hindered Japanese supply/offensive capability something aweful.

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  37. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I would like to see us avoid something similar in the future. I don’t want to be condemned to repeat it. If we go through another worldwide depression and extended deflation, we may be in for it.
    One contemporary source, Compton’s Encyclopedia, suggested that it it was four seperate conflicts that caused it. Japan in China, Italy in Ethiopia, Russia in Finland, and, finally, Germany in Poland.

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  38. Yoda says:

    From above link this is,

    Rolling Stone is guilty of monumentally bad journalism. We can all agree on that. But the media watchdogs are guilty too – guilty of cowardice, a cowardice that is so pathetic that they even pander to liars — as long as the liars are women who make claims against men — no matter how outrageous or false.

    If a male college student made up some phony story about how a young woman on campus hit him over the head with a beer bottle, the media, the president of the University, and the police wouldn’t let him get away with it.

    But Jackie is off limits.

    That’s because in a liberal PC culture, women are seen as victims of male oppression. So what if Jackie wasn’t really raped? A mere technicality. She could have been. After all, rape on America’s college campuses is a “plague” — a word used by a former Washington Post ombudsman on CNN. Except, that’s another lie. There is no plague. There is no epidemic of campus rape.

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  39. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I may have sid something that ruffled the feathers of women readers.
    All women have it within their right to refuse or accept a man as they choose. My issue is with the effect in the aggregate, or cumulative. As Farm Boy and Yoda keep pointing out, they are only going for tingles and few men generate those.
    Society has not realized the full effect of a male response to all this.

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  40. theasdgamer says:

    @ Fuzzie

    they are only going for tingles and few men generate those.

    I was doing charity work one Sat. night. A Christian 42 yo woman with a 17 yo daughter in tow at the dance party asked to be entertained. I did so. Charity work. Gave her a lot of attention. She gave off the over-committed-to-her-kids vibe and the nun vibe. I wasn’t terribly interested in her with those vibes. We chatted a lot and had rapport. Rapport is not equal to tingles. She confessed that she is in a rut. I took her out for a walk, but wasn’t interested in kissing her. I did test for chemistry briefly at the time and there was a little.

    I got her number and texted her a few times, but she isn’t interested in texting or following up.

    She *should* be interested considering we had rapport and I gave her my attention and ignored a lot of younger women on a Sat. night, but the amygdala doesn’t care about what a woman *should* do. Go for the tingles. Women only care about the feelz. It’s how they’re wired.


  41. SFC Ton says:

    Again let’s be clear the college educated (inculding the officer class) doesn’t have what it takes to win a war.


  42. @ Fuzzie I didn’t take offense. FWIW I do think the tingles thing is overstated, or if a woman is running her life solely on tingles, well then she is a fool. I know a few like that. I mean butterflies in the stomach are nice, and should be there, but it should not be the be all end all, IMHO.

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  43. I went and had a beer with my next door neighbor last night, he’s got to be in his 70s, just lost his wife of 35+ years. I passed along my condolences, we chatted about what a great gal she was (a handful really, sassy gal from Kansas but he loved her!) We talked about my recent break up, and life, and men. He agreed the ex fiancee was a no-go after I described things. Then he volunteered to start screening my suitors! Lol. I think I am going to take him up on it! (He’s a good old boy type, drinks light beer, in a can, not that fancy micro brew stuff so popular around here!)

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  44. theasdgamer says:

    It was my impression that a lot of Special Forces noncoms had post-grad degrees. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    UMC men (with a few exceptions) lack the fortitude to fight. Even when men are capable of fighting, there’s a tremendous lack of confidence in the govt.


  45. theasdgamer says:

    If you’re gonna drink beer/ale go for something like Buffalo Sweat.


  46. jf13 says:

    @theasdgamer, re: “We chatted a lot”

    Congratulations. This is the big thing you’ve been working on, is it not?

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  47. jf13 says:

    What I had to do was find my “all rapport all the time” control box inside my brain and tear it to smithereens.


  48. Spawny Get says:

    Walter Scott

    Mr. Scott had been arrested about 10 times, mostly for failing to pay child support or show up for court hearings, according to The Post and Courier newspaper of Charleston. He was arrested in 1987 on an assault and battery charge and convicted in 1991 of possession of a bludgeon, the newspaper reported. Mr. Scott’s brother, Anthony, said he believed Mr. Scott had fled from the police on Saturday because he owed child support.

    “He has four children; he doesn’t have some type of big violent past or arrest record,” said Chris Stewart, a lawyer for Mr. Scott’s family. “He had a job; he was engaged. He had back child support and didn’t want to go to jail for back child support.”

    Mr. Stewart said the coroner had told him that Mr. Scott was struck five times — three times in the back, once in the upper buttocks and once in the ear — with at least one bullet entering his heart. It is not clear whether Mr. Scott died immediately. (The coroner’s office declined to make the report available to The Times.)

    Toiled to debtor’s prison then death

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  49. jf13 says:

    Although sex would the most most powerful motivating force, what are some other effective motivators to get young men more productive (if we pretend that making them more productive is the goal)? More/better toys?


  50. SFC Ton says:

    Nope. When would you have the time? Though I am certain the training equals to that and 18D’s are basically PA’s/ trauma specialist who can deliver kids, pull teeth etc


  51. SFC Ton says:

    Again he didn’t get shot over failure to pay child support. He died because he didn’t comply with the commands of an armed and (semi) dangerous man.

    Let’s not adopt the hyperventilating lauange of the left/ feminists

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  52. Spawny Get says:

    Again he died because he was desperate not to go back into the cycle of

    Falling behind
    Lose job
    Unemployable save for shit jobs
    Falling behind

    Shouldn’t have run away
    Cop is a murderer

    Nobody’s fucking hyperventilating

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  53. SFC Ton says:

    Then what do you call it? Hysterics?


  54. Spawny Get says:

    Any time you feel like fucking off…


  55. theasdgamer says:

    The Joint Special Operations Master of Arts (JSOMA) program is delivered to selected officers, warrant officers, and NCOs of US Special Operations Forces by NDU/CISA at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School (JFKSWCS) at Fort Bragg, N.C. Over a ten-month period, students attend classes full-time at CISA’s location at SWCS to complete this rigorous 35-credit hour graduate program leading to a Master of Arts degree in Strategic Security Studies.


  56. SFC Ton says:

    If that’s the best answer you have you pretty much conceded my point. And… way to drop the respect I had for you

    That’s their duty day Gamer, and done by the military and not a college


  57. SFC Ton says:

    That article about women not wanting to kill Hitler said it’s because women have this gut level reaction against causing harm…. whoever wrote that doesn’t know much about women


  58. Spawny Get says:

    Well hey, what with me being a software engineer, how much respect are we talking about anyway?

    Shooting a tasered guy in the back when he’s that distance away and running away as fast as he’s able? That’s murder.

    As I said, the guy was a dick to run, but he didn’t deserve to die.

    Good night


  59. SFC Ton says:

    Never said he deserved to die but it was not child support that sent him to the grave

    However tasered and still up is a huge issue to ponder

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  60. I agree it is atrocious what happened to that man, and I understand why he would react by running, but I also agree with Ton, the police cannot simply let people run away. He may have been afraid, but he should have kept a level head and cooperated, it would have saved his life. What a senseless tragedy for all concerned. 😦


  61. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yes, the guy should have stayed put. The question is, if he is not a criminal, why did he run? Owing money should not put anyone in jail. Even the IRS is not that dumb.
    In a sense, both parties are being thrown under the bus to support a corrupt system.

    To clarify, the IRS puts people in jail for cheating, not owing.


  62. SFC Ton says:

    Right now I have no idea what went down in that shooting but the law of the jungle, the only real law, is when a man has a gun on you you have two options
    Kill him ( ok comply until you can kill him)

    Also the issue is more complex then people want to understand. I am with holding opinion until more info comes out but…

    Most cops killed on duty are killed by black men. That is most assuredly a factor in the cops thinking
    It is possible the cop had a legit reason to fear for his life (possible but unlikely)
    The dude was tazed and not subdued. That’s scary as fuck for the cop. If true, it could very well be reasonable for the cop to fear for his life
    Eye witnesses are normally wrong; black eye witness are known for deliberately providing false testimony about police behavior( Fergeroson MO)

    And that’s what I can come up with while knowing next to nothing

    I would repeal child support laws if it was within my power & prohibit any such transfers of wealth
    I would have all cops be unarmed while on routine patrols but that is not realistic as cops are on the frontline of black dysfunction
    The cops are out of hand as a direct result of black dysfunction
    We do not yet know the arrest record of the dead man. It could be possible the cop did and there was some.nasty shit in it
    We will not get the facts from the main stream media, who will do what they can to fan the flames

    While I get the emotional reaction, it’s unmanly. We should withhold judgement until we know more


  63. Poseidon says:

    By default I side with law enforcement, but this time I am appalled by the cop shooting that man in the back and planting the taser near his body. This has got to be addressed.

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  64. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    The dashcam video from the policeman’s car has been released. All seems normal until he runs away. Bloom, it’s safe for you to watch. Nothing bad happens.


  65. SFC Ton says:

    PERT certain the irs can jail you for not paying, plus take all your shit without a conviction etc

    The DEA can as well

    I hate cops. Fucking hate them but reality is what it is


  66. Thanks fuzzie but I am still going to pass on watching it, even it is doesn’t show him getting shot, and his kids becoming orphans, I know it happened so I would still be very sad.


  67. @ ton I agree re how women responded in the Hitler study is more about women’s temperment. I would not hesitate, if I had the chance, but it’s true women are not geared to think that way. I can’t even kill a chicken but I would hope of I was in a situation such as the study described I would make the right choice. For those who didnt read the study it asked other things too like if a baby crying would lead to a whole group being mied, would you smother the baby? Again I say I would but I hope to God I never have to make choices like that. I have read of women doing so.

    And of course there are also just heartless mean women, women are not all so delicate. Like those who harm their own children in anger, I cannot fathom it but I know it happens. I wish to God it didnt. I have at times been tempted to smack my child out of frustration, kids can be vexing, but I never have and hope I never will. Never never never. Or verbally abuse them either.


  68. * killed not mied


  69. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Captain Capitalism writes another classic.

    This doesn’t so much apply to you. Men can see that you are sincere.


  70. Liz says:

    “That article about women not wanting to kill Hitler said it’s because women have this gut level reaction against causing harm…. whoever wrote that doesn’t know much about women

    Lol! Women cause a great deal of harm, but they don’t like direct violent confrontation so much. They like to cause harm by proxy.

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  71. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Another thing that does need to be said outright. This shooting death is NOT about race. It’s about someone not wanting to go to jail over a debt.


  72. Liz says:

    If I could go back in time, I wouldn’t kill baby Hitler. There are any number of ways to have stopped him from becoming what he did. Just finding a way to keep him out of the German military during the first war, for starters. But I’d have killed him sometime before the night of the long knives, if it came to that.


  73. SFC Ton says:

    Frankly Fuzzie we don’t know that at all
    We don’t know much and we will never know all, or even all that much about what went down or why


  74. SFC Ton says:

    If of wasn’t Hitler if would have been some one else


  75. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz and SfcTon,
    As for killing Hitler, I think St. Augustine wrote about what he called “tyrannicide” at the close of the Roman Empire. It’s still being cited. He would have advised against killing Hitler.
    I haven’t read it.


  76. And this is also a good example of why I didn’t want state involvement in my kid’s support, too adverserial.

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  77. SFC Ton says:

    I’m not Catholc so don’t care what he has to say


  78. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post up.

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  79. Cill says:

    Re-program Hitler the kid:
    Give him better toilet training. Hole in one. Job done.

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  80. Spawny Get says:

    I am not having an emotional response.

    Ferguson is a completely different scenario. As I understand it, the rounds went in the front of the body / top of the head while the huge guy was head down charging the cop with whom he’d already struggled over the cop’s gun. That was tantamount to SBC. I’d jail the lying fuck ‘witnesses’ for incitement to riot. And the riot inciting press (for that and Martin).

    The legal system makes money by having guys like the latest murdered guy go through the courts and being kept in jail. They make it from your taxes.

    Men kill themselves over the cycle I listed above – THAT was the the main reason I made the original comment here. Let the legal system handle the cop, the video footage should have him righteously fucked over from the online clips.

    As usual, I actually agree with most of what you write…then you go too far. Given your line of work maybe that’s part of why you’re still alive. But it’s unacceptable to me to have cops shooting people in the back..and that’s what the video shows and that’s why this latest one is different.


  81. Spawny Get says:

    Oh, cappy got tired of shooting himself in the arse over MGTOW, did he? Did he do the sums and work out he was losing cash? Or just realise his click bait shite was losing him any respect?

    Too late for me, he was off the links page ages ago.

    By all means link to him. Not a problem here. That article was a return to subject matter he used to cover well fwiw. But he lost me as a regular viewer with his rambling, horking filled, self indulgent videos. The MGTOW / TFL shit was the end. Same as PIGTOW was the overdue end of avfm afaiac.

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  82. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    I have no idea why either of those guys went after MGTOWs. It’s not the brightest strategy to alienate your natural allies, especially when Karen Straughan has 92k subscribers and this Bree has 249k. To borrow a military analogy, you don’t split your forces in the face of that kind of superiority.


  83. Spawny Get says:

    Morning Fuzzie,
    I wish Karen went back to the old videos. I tried listening to a few honey badger shows but they’re a mess of talking over each other (Skype type issues I suspect, not rudeness). They irritate me to have on even as background sound. I liked Typhon’s older stuff too. I wish randomercam would chill the fuck out, the performance art doesn’t work for me, I’m afraid.

    When avfm jumped the shark, I went with jto, dd, bar bar etc. Not that my side doesn’t have issues. I wish thinking ape would script his videos and up the tempo. I like the content, but dude, if you have something to say, at least try and make it listener friendly. MGTOW messenger is rather good, he’s been through the system over here.

    And no, don’t hold your breath for TVSpawny. 🙂


  84. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    TVSpawny??? Imagine all of us, in full costume, having a Google+ video chat. Not only your movie star good looks but, Moe, Tarn the Unicorn, Padawan, Yoda, Farm Boy in overalls, a talking bear, and, maybe, we could get the Rainbow Furby back.
    We could invite Harriet Harman, put floppy ears on her, and introduce her to Jar Jar.!
    Think of the possibilities.

    I wish Karen would do more stuff like the old stuff. She keeps promising.

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  85. M says:

    Fuzzie, make Padawan’s day and don’t forget to invite Big Red 😉

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  86. jf13 says:

    re: harm by proxy

    aka “officer class” as Ton said


  87. Liz says:

    Some officers see combat, Jf13. Ever watch band of brothers?


  88. theasdgamer says:

    @ Ton

    If that’s the best answer you have you pretty much conceded my point. And… way to drop the respect I had for you

    That’s their duty day Gamer, and done by the military and not a college

    Buddy, I wasn’t debating. Just wanted to get your take on that web site. When it comes to Special Forces NCO’s, I don’t know 5h1t from shinola. I read something in a news article about Special Forces noncoms earning advanced degrees and was curious about the topic, whether there was any truth to it.

    What do you mean by “That’s their duty day”?


  89. Liz says:

    I don’t think the best officers learn much of anything from higher education (no matter how shithot they are in combat or otherwise). It’s more of a square they have to fill (war college is required for any rank over O5, and now a masters IN ADDITION TO the warcollege masters is required).

    The people who made this requirement aren’t the ones spending 8 months out of the year in warzones. They are douchebag tools who have a lot of free time to schmooze and want their college diplomas to matter a great deal more than they do.

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  90. Liz says:

    FWIW, military women LOVE the master’s requirement over actual accomplishment. It works to their advantage, obviously.


  91. Liz says:

    Just to add…war college can be done a number of ways. Usually getting a war college correspondence degree is required before applying to the actual school. That’s right, in order to get into the school you have to already have a degree from the school…it’s degree dopio. Again, this is chick-work.

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  92. Liz says:

    Rank ove O4, shouldn’t said above. Sorry for the rambling posting…but, truly, if a person has enough free time with their job in the military to get a regular masters AND a correspondence masters as required to make O5, the military can probably do without them. This is the type of stuff people who do nothing but sit in missile silos with nothing to do come up with. (sorry, yet another emotional issue for me…Mike was deploying for months and then coming home to 16 hour days AND had to get this correspondence shite over with while also getting another worthless papermill masters all to make rank).

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  93. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    To poke the hornet’s nest again, I’ll throw in my thoughts about the recent shooting. Ferguson, to pick a recent-ish example, is still fresh in my mind (Hands up don’t shoot, anyone?) and I believe nothing the media has to say about this, or any other subject. I’m withholding judgement until the case hits court. I still won’t have all that much faith in the “facts” at that point, but I’ll have more faith than I do now.


  94. theasdgamer says:

    Since Ton brought up the issue of eyewitness testimony, let me add my thoughts, having studied this topic in some depth.

    Eyewitness testimony must be scrutinized carefully. Corroboration with another eyewitness is required before any empirical claim can be accepted as fact. Eyewitnesses must be sequestered during questioning. Eyewitnesses aren’t allowed to draw conclusions. Only empirical statements from them are allowed. The bias of witnesses is irrelevant. Only corroboration matters. We assume that the questioning authorities have the skill to discover whether the testimony is cooked.

    There are many problems with circumstantial evidence, including provenance, evidence planting, evidence tampering, forensic skill, etc.

    The ancient Hebrews understood these requirements about eyewitness testimony as we see in the law and the gospel accounts.


  95. jf13 says:

    The police officer did a terrible job and should be fired/banned. But even the video shows the guy running away (dorkily, btw, maybe because of the volts) with attached taser prongs and thereby yanking the unit away from the cop. I’m going to guess that published training materials specifically allow, in writing, deadly force in such a situation.


  96. Liz says:

    So far, the official reaction at every level from what I’ve seen of that case has been knee-jerk political rather than investigatory. I’m withholding judgement.

    It doesn’t look good…but I’ve seen so many case where partial evidence was so very misleading and unreliable, I won’t even hazard a guess here. There was another officer at the end of the scene and it would seem he (or a masculine she? hard to tell from the tape) would have seen the subterfuge if the cop actually “planted” the stun gun. Unless the cop at the scene was “in on it” as well…but that seems unlikely, especially with video taped evidence and all of this political pressure.

    Since the video was taken away from the actual area the man was stopped in his car and the beginning shows what looks to be an end to some sort of confrontation, it’s not beyond the rhelm of possibility that the fleeing individual dropped the taser after the LEO discharged his weapon, and moved several feet more after, dropping to the ground. Then, the officer went to retrieve the taser and dropped it next to the victim’s prone body. But, again…we only have partial evidence.


  97. Spawny Get says:

    “Fuzzie, make Padawan’s day and don’t forget to invite Big Red 😉 ”

    excellent point, can’t have a hog roast without inviting Big Red. Ideally she can bring her own apple…a big one given the size of her bloody great gob.

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  98. The guy was foolish to run, but just based on the limited evidence we have now, the cop seems to have gone too far. It’s not just the use of lethal force which was seemingly unjustified, but it looks to me like deliberate tampering of evidence.

    I actually really like and respect cops in general; so far those I’ve encountered in my country and in the US have been nice and helpful, and I know they do a dangerous and important job. Good cops (most of them, IMO) are very admirable pple. But bad or corrupt cops are some of the most dangerous pple around. Tampering with evidence to frame someone is horrible.

    Like Liz says, the video doesn’t show what happened in the earlier part of this confrontation, and that’s a crucial piece of missing info. But just based on what was seen, the officer didn’t have “probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others” which is the benchmark allowing for lethal force, based on the 1985 Supreme court ruling.

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  99. Liz says:

    Here’s a (very OT) example of what the OPR (part of the promotion) process is like. No meritocracy. This could be a documentary, it’s so true. (actually, medical care is similar with the nursing care plans and higher education nonsense…not quite as bad because the military is even more government regulated, but the education system is close (wish we could go back to the certification/merit based on experience system but I’m a dinosaur)

    And the reflective belt nonsense…though I think they’ve done away with this, this is absolutely accurate:

    Yes, in a warzone. When bureaucracy speaks, life is truly satire.

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