GE2015 – The disconnect and the lack of conversation


Just under four minutes long.  Give it a listen and try and work out why the mainstream politicians start foaming at the mouth at the mention of this man and his party.

That they do foam at the mouth at what he actually said there shows that they are disconnected, remote, disinterested…generally worthless to the interests of real people.  They are smug, patronising, delusional and dishonest (just an opinion).

The problem is that they can’t argue with what he says about what the public want.  He’s right about that.  They can’t argue with him because none of the issues he raises can be tackled while the UK is bound by the EU.  All the other parties are convinced that the UK must remain in the EU, the thing is, they don’t see the need to tell the public why.  If pushed, out come the standard SJW tactics: lies, evasion, strawmanning, dog-whistle labelling (racist, sexist etc).

I had a Tory candidate knock on my door and ask me who I wanted to win the GE.  My reply was ‘nobody, don’t like any of them’.  When I then mentioned UKIP he gave a moue of disapproval.  I said that UKIP forced the major parties to address reality, the issues that affect the public.  That was the important issue.  Parties that won’t address the real issues are of no fucking use to me at all.  Until they do, I will be voting UKIP.  There is nothing that a Tory candidate can say that will cause me to vote for that party while it remains under the current leadership, or any of the candidates to replace him from his coterie.

Here is the highlights programme taken from the recent seven way leadership debate.  Made by UKIP

Here’s what I’m currently listening too, bit long, but may touch on interesting points.  I may update this post later.

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48 comments on “GE2015 – The disconnect and the lack of conversation
  1. SFC Ton says:

    I appreciate the UKIP up dates. Literally my whole knowledge on the topic come from Vdare and you

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  2. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Ton. Thanks for the feedback. Unless I think at least someone is interested, I’d just as soon not bother to write about an election where there is no clear winning result (as far as I’m concerned). That final documentary has the academic saying ‘maybe six MPs for UKIP’. That’s not a balance of power position. To be clear I don;t even want UKIP in charge, I need to see far more of them in action before I’d go that far. But I definitely do see them as the only party willing and able to address reality…so I want them to continually beat all the other parties over the head due to their dishonesty and refusal to address the sources of the problems. Currently they bleat about the effects and will not address the causes.

    Front National in France (a lefty party, not a clear analogue of UKIP at all) and the Danish People’s Party also get mentioned in the last documentary. There is a rising backlash across Europe against the Euro level political class. A class worse than the UK one. Full of Marxists, Maoists all those control freaks lovely people

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  3. Liz says:

    I don’t know anything about UK politics, but I think the EU was a horrible deal for everyone. Still kind of hard for me to believe it actually happened.

    I’m assuming (aside from being strong-armed by the EU and all the associated problems…heh, at least Great Britain still has the pound! Countries using eurodollars are 100 percent fucked) that UK politics aren’t too dissimilar from US politics. And over here, nobody is really representing the middle class.

    Working class people pay for what yearly deficits won’t cover…in a shrinking job market. They also fight with each other while blaming the “other” party for all the problems.
    Politicians divide and conquer the them by offering no real choice. Big business divides and conquers the politicians with equal campaign funding. The poor are led through programs that encourage helplessness and dependence.

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  4. jf13 says:

    “We’re all in this together” is a fine argument provide there is a “we”, an “all”, a “this”, and a “together”. Family, of course. Tribe, surely. Organization, yes. Nation, pushing it. Continent, nope.

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  5. Spawny Get says:

    “UK politics aren’t too dissimilar from US politics.”
    That’s my impression too.

    “And over here, nobody is really representing the middle class.”
    Interestingly enough the final documentary touches on this from 29minutes. UKIP isn’t the middle class necessarily. There’re a lot of the old working class there too. The middle class is being destroyed here (as well as over your way), but the working class are being reduced to minimum wage jobs, inability to get decent housing / medical attention because of the flood of immigration into the country (once again for the cheap seats – immingration is NOT primarily a race issue in the UK, it’s a numbers catastrophe). 300K nett(!!!) immigration per year floods the job market with cheap labour (causing unemployment and low wages propped up by welfare), there’s a housing bubble caused by over demand and under supply. Health services are affected by health tourism (come to the UK, get diagnosed with HIV, get free meds WITNOELF).

    UKIP voters more likely to have voted for Tony Blair (Nu Labour) than John Major (Tory). Then in 2001 (so after first term of nulaba government – realised Bliar was full to the brim with shit, and Brown started pissing money up the wall in grand style, immigration gates were opened) some of them left politics altogether. In 2010 the remainder of them voted ‘Tory’ under Cameron (TINO) as a last ditch measure.

    This is why UKIP hurts ‘Labour’ as well as the ‘Tories’.

    If those who haven’t bothered to vote in 10-20 years (because they didn’t like anyone enough to vote) turn out in May…that’s 30%* of the electorate turning up to vote for the first time in decades. THAT would change everything. Tory and Labour are both stuck in the low 30%s.

    (* iirc normal General Election turnout is 65-75%. 30% of the electorate don’t vote)

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  6. Spawny Get says:

    This is from a year ago. It’s about the Euro-elections that were swept by UKIP. A nice Tory lady who knocked on my door said that the results of that election sent a rocket up the…political establishment. Everything that Pat Condell says here is absolutely relevant to the upcoming General Election.

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  7. SFC Ton says:

    Well to me it’s about White folks finally exerting themselves so yes UKIP, the folks in France and Golden Dawn is of interest. Though I don’t rightly know much about any of those groups

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  8. Spawny Get says:

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/latest_immigration_statistics.php

    immigration is around 50% from within EU. 25% of those from the EU are coming from ex-commie countries (A8).

    Net Migration by Region

    All Citizenships British Non-British EU Non-EU
    Immigration 624,000 82,000 543,000 251,000 292,000
    Emigration 327,000 137,000 190,000 89,000 101,000
    Net Migration 298,000 -55,000 353,000 162,000 190,000

    Of the 162,000 net migration from the EU, 80,000 were estimated to come from the EU15 and 43,000 from the A8.

    The data shows that in the year ending September 2014 an estimated 37,000 citizens of Romania and Bulgaria migrated to the UK while 4,000 left.

    Note: The definition of an immigrant is an internationally recognised one and is anyone who moves to another country for at least a year.

    For the last time; it isn’t a fucking race issue. And wankers that keep saying it is are part of how UKIP gets to be shat upon by the media – so give it a fucking rest. I am not being PC. I am being accurate and I am trying to explain to other countries what the reality is here and now. Stop helping paint UKIP as racist because you’re helping the political class, not the people.

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  9. SFC Ton says:

    If I had three wishes, wish number one would be to remove all non Founding Stock from the usa. The White eastern and Southern Europeans have been horrible for america however the real.damage has been done by the non Whites. I understand wanting to protect what’s yours, your culture etc everything that makes your nation yours

    However it wasn’t White dudes from Poland bombing the subway, doing that child sex ring etc etc

    Race is always an issue but folks gloss over it and inter White ethnic clashes.

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  10. Cill says:

    Last I heard Call-Me-North-Pole-Penguin Dave was coming up in the poles polls.
    Why doesn’t Labour replace Miliband with Knickerbot Sturgeon or summat?

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  11. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, not seen any sign of a break out by any party.

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  12. Farm Boy says:

    In the US with the Democrats, it is the rich and the poor aligned against the middle class.
    And it is difficult to tell who the Republicans are for.

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  13. Farm Boy says:

    religion_and_trotskyism_mix_well_in_scotland

    Where does the ice pick fit in?

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  14. Farm Boy says:

    If pushed, out come the standard SJW tactics: lies, evasion, strawmanning, dog-whistle labelling (racist, sexist etc).

    So why can’t people see through that?

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    Parties that won’t address the real issues are of no fucking use to me at all.

    Yes indeed.

    Can the “political correctness” barrier be broken?

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  16. Farm Boy says:

    So what are the party preferences of women?

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  17. I don’t know much about politics in Europe, it is interesting to get these updates.spawney, maybe for those like myself, it would be helpful to do a post that explains Tory/labor/ukip etc? What their guiding ideas are? Like is labor closer to the Democratic Party platform in the us? I truly know very little a out it (like most Americans, I hate to admit…)

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  18. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get at 1:57pm,
    You mentined “housing bubble”. Uh oh! Haven’t we been down this road before? I have to tell you that property values are a very powerful factor in how people vote.
    I really enjoyed that Pat Condell link. It’s a pity he is not running. We need more people like Harry S. Truman.

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  19. Spawny Get says:

    “British politics,

    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/election-politics/politics-and-election-news/updated-bradford-landlord-vows-to-run-against-george-galloway-following-bizarre-twitter-spat-1-7193835

    I saw this blow up on Twitter. ‘Gorgeous George’ is a very curious character. He has some major issues, but just as you’re going to write him off again…he says something really good. Diamond in a dung heap (to give scale).

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  20. Cill says:

    Well Spawny, people down my way are interested in the UK election for one reason only: how well is the UKIP going to do? All of them want UKIP to “win” (unrealistic expectations). People hate the EU down here – even the women. The men hate it for the same reasons they hate soccer – bunch of wusses.

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  21. Spawny Get says:

    I can’t remember whether the seat mentioned in the defective clip was one of the predicted six in the final link in the post body. So, maybe seven? (out of 650).

    What I’d love to see is the people that gave up on the same old clowns (liblabcon) turn out in force and vote for the first time in decades (ever). Still not going to be a win, but it would put a rocket up the arse of the liblabcon. Would make some safe seats look suddenly vulnerable, maybe even overturn a few (even if the victory doesn’t go to UKIP). Anything that brings the politicians back to looking after the actual concerns of the people.

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  22. Cill says:

    Some in the media as every bit as out-of-touch as the pollies are. In one panel a bloke asked, straight-faced, has political correctness gone too far? Shit.

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  23. jf13 says:

    Freedom is not having to be politically correct.

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  24. Yoda says:

    Freedom is not having to be politically correct.

    Or the ability to say “The Emperor no clothes he does have”

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  25. Cill says:

    You there mate?

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  26. Cill says:

    George Galloway seems to be a law unto himself.

    In appearance he reminds me of Forry McHorry of Paikorihori Island [names falsified]. The McHorry dynasty were the original settlers of the island and ran the pub, the picture theatre, the general store, the local delivery business, the dairy farm, the local the milk run and a fishing fleet. Forry McHorry was the reporter, editor, typesetter and proprietor of the local newspaper, “Cocky Exposed”. Occasionally the paper would feature reports on the interests and concerns of the island populace, otherwise it contained columns of vitriol and complaint directed at Forry’s neighbour, Cocheran Lachie (“Cocky Locky”). At local “election” times Forry would appoint a Local Authority in which every Councillor’s surname was McHorry. He would rubber stamp the move by inviting the McHorry clan to his pub for a night of riotous drinking during which they’d be required to block-vote themselves into office. The Local Authority had no official recognition, but this didn’t prevent it going about its main business, which was to pass “bylaws” making things as difficult as possible for Cocky Locky.

    A quarry was opened outside Cocky’s bedroom window and an effuent pond not far from the kitchen wall. A tin shed labelled “PUBLIC TOILET” mysteriously arrived overnight to block out the view from Cocky’s lounge window. One morning Cocky found a large notice board in the middle of the road to his house:

    Road Closed
    Warning: Users will be Prosecuted!
    BY ORDER
    Forry McHorry
    Mayor and Town Clerk

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  27. Cill says:

    I’m watching a TV serial on Cilla Black, with Sheridan Smith acting as my namesake Cilla. It’s good stuff.

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  28. Spawny Get says:

    Are there a lorra lorra laffs, chook?

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  29. Cill says:

    Yeah, in a completely coincidental way she speaks weirdly like a Kiwi bird. Her personality reminds me of a certain type (good type) of Kiwi woman. I get on well with the Cillas of this world.

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  30. Cill says:

    Where’s the handsome fellow with the Movie Star Good Looks these days?

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  31. Spawny Get says:

    Busy. Looking in when I can, but when I do, mostly someone made the good points already.

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  32. Cill says:

    The is the first time Kiwis have shown any interest in a U.K. election. Most of them cling to the unrealistic hope that UKIP will win. It might be Farage, actually. Some rare pollies just capture the attention of folks around the world. I was talking to Choicy and he said it’s the same in Australia. Most people in this part of the world know who Farage is.

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  33. Cill says:

    Blues vs Brumbies Super Rugby about to start.

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  34. Cill says:

    plodding rugby
    (yawn)

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  35. SFC Ton says:

    Someone told me that outfit in France is eating their own and falling apart. Is that true?

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  36. Spawny Get says:

    Ton, good catch. I hadn’t heard about it, but yeah
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/08/frances-front-national-plunged-into-family-feud-over-holocaust-remarks

    Marine (daughter) vs Jean-Marie (John-Mary – her dad)

    “Jean-Marie Le Pen seems to be in a total spiral of strategy somewhere between scorched earth and political suicide,” she [Marine] said.

    “His status as honorary president does not give him the right to hijack the Front National with vulgar provocations seemingly designed to damage me, but which unfortunately hit the whole movement.”

    Marine Le Pen’s dramatic public savaging of Papa Le Pen and her move to apparently oust her father marks a turning-point in the history of the far-right party and the complex family relations at its heart.

    The gruff ex-paratrooper Jean-Marie Le Pen, who co-founded the Front National in 1972, led it to become the most successful far-right, xenophobic party in western Europe.

    But when his youngest daughter took over in 2011, she led a public relations drive to “detoxify” the party and move away from its jack-booted imagery and antisemitic overtones.

    She has since sought to transform the anti-immigration, anti-Europe far-right party from a protest vote to a major political movement with elected representatives across France, winning mayors, MPs and, for the first time, a presence in the senate.

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    Touchy subject, The Holocaust, can get you into big legal problems in some countries.

    Racism is radioactive if you’re trying to grow a mass appeal political party.

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  38. Spawny Get says:

    Hopefully we’ll be having Welsh Independence votes soon.
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/10/labour-candidate-called-people-who-fly-england-flags-simpletons-and-racists/
    The next time they have a Scottish one, they should let the rest of us vote too. They won’t need another one after that.

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