Times as a “Bad Boy”


The Bad Boy I’m talking about is a confident, swaggering, egotistical type:

Back in the dark ages I planted the seeds of this post in Tarn’s blog and to some extent in SpawnySpace as well. So some of the old hands, Tarn, Blurkel, Spawny, have already heard a few of my mutterings on this subject. Most likely they’ll have forgotten it already, so if they continue reading here they can look forward to being bored to death all over again.

Some women seek the attention of some men only, ignoring other men. Although they might be a small minority of women, they are sufficiently numerous to make their presence felt anywhere I have been in the world. They are not all trashy women. They include suburban mums, respected wives and career women.

They are not confined to a particular type of locality, either. There’s just something about some of the men that appeals to some of the women everywhere, strongly enough for them to approach those men or at least make their interest obvious. I’m not sure of all the reasons for this, but I am sure they include “bad boy”.

I am a close friend of some “Bad Boys”. Women’s Alphas. And others who claim they are not  BBs but are treated as BBs by women. And me? Well, I’m tall enough to be conspicuous, I often grin at people without thinking, and they tell me I have a wicked smile (don’t be fooled by my avatar, I’d just emerged from months in the bush – hence the long hair – and I hate having my photo taken for reasons that will become clear if you keep reading).

“Bad Boy” in the Streets

I’ve been waylaid by women in the streets. I’ve talked about the PPPs in Auckland who tried to bundle me into their van. In Australia too:

Woman 1: “Hey mate, have you got a girlfriend? Where do you live!”

Woman 2: “Oh Sar-ah! Anyway mate, where DO you live?”

Sarah fondles my ass as she passes by.

Most times it’s just verbal. A taxi driver in Anaheim winds down the window of her cab. “O m-y-y-y-y, look at you… Any place I  can take ya, baby?” She’s reacting to the way I move. While city boys are mostly conscious of their walk, I seldom am. Either she’s attracted, or she wants to bring me down a peg or two. Or both of the above.

It happens.

These women have total confidence that I’ll be flattered and enjoy it. They think I’m a woman’s alpha. If they caught me on a bad day I’d react to their attentions by… by what? How are they to know what I might do? It’s obvious that I could do a lot of damage. I weigh 111 kilos (245 pounds) and yet I’m lean and light on my feet. I can see it in their eyes: it’s a challenge for them to take liberties with me.

The “bad boy” they perceive doesn’t stop at “womanizing playboy”. I believe it encompasses the distinct possibility (in their minds) that  I’m the criminal type as well. If you were assessing me just by my appearance and demeanor, I could very well be a man with a record. My apparent lack of fear, for example, might be due to a firearm I conceal on my person, or to a heavy who’s minding my back right now.

It’s difficult for a man to understand it, but this excites some women. If danger comes, it’s invariably towards us, not them. If it does head her way she’ll expect us to defend her. Because the Bad Boy is not the “giving” type, she must make it obvious to him that he’ll be getting something in return. Then he’ll help, and some. The women who catch his attention early, be it overtly or with subtlety, will be more likely to survive.

By  “a small minority of women”, I’m talking about the bold ones only. I’m not including the more subtle ones or those who attract by giving him the challenge of a chase. It might even be true that a majority of women have an innate attraction for the BB. I can see why. Think of the sacked cites through the ages. White Knight fiction likes to depict the innocent women being raped and slaughtered in the streets. What about the ones who willingly gave themselves to the victors – would they not be more likely to survive?

There are bizzare aspects as well. Think of the women in Africa who follow the gangs of murderous brutes. Think of the Great Plague and Trappist monks followed by female crowds aroused by the naked torsos, the pain and the blood and the violence to Jews.

I’ve seen it too in the reactions of women toward bike gangs, and toward the entertaining but reputedly murderous Moehau Man.

“Bad Boys” in Bike Gangs

I’ve never belonged to a gang but I own a powerful bike and have accompanied Maori and Samoan friends in bike gangs. When those bikers rumbled into town, people in their efforts to looked unconcerned managed to show how concerned they really were. The men did their best to ignore us. The women watched us when they thought we weren’t looking.  As they looked away we’d catch glimpses of their expressions. A mixture of trepidation and interest, repulsion and attraction. In the way that a military uniform can appeal to a woman, so can the accoutrements of a bike gang: the leather jackets (leather from head to toe even more so) , the boots, helmets, visors, belts and chains.

Some of the single women were clearly anticipating the places they thought we might head to – a bar or a fast food outlet (the Zebra follow the Lion, feeling safer when they keep him in sight). Others would draw together into groups to observe us. I was sometimes amused to see the faces of some married women of my acquaintance, among the observers. By their demeanor, they were “interested”. Women don’t look at a man long and often unless they want to be seen to be interested.

Some of these bikers are visibly unwashed. Is that a part of their appeal? Who knows. Most are Maori and Polynesian. Perhaps another part of their appeal: Polynesians have among the heaviest frames and most heavily muscled bodies of all humans. Also, they haven’t been targeted for emasculation as much as white men have.

Moehau Man (link)

Entertaining and murderous:

From this amateurishly amusing video you’ll learn that MM is reputed to  be murderous in a most brutal way, ripping off limbs and heads in his greed for flesh:

 

Mistaken Identity (Cill the Squatch):

A total stranger in a bar once gave me a description of a critter who could only have been myself! He told me about a big hairy wild man who runs around naked on a “deserted beach” in the general vicinity of my place.

Since there’s no-one else for miles around, he could only have been talking about me. Obviously somebody had seen me from a boat some time before, and the story had spread. The wild man was “hung like a horse” – that’s the part that most amused me. Fair tickled me pink, it did.  He had no idea he was talking to the man he was describing. (Ahem) At this juncture (cough) I should say some of the description of the Wild Man was somewhat exaggerated.

I didn’t go to town much back then, I have no resident barbers at my place, so my hair was long.

I had some amusing incidents as the Wild Man. Some women came out in a boat with cameras. They didn’t know which beach I’m at, so to throw them off and have a bit of fun I pulled a balaclava over my head and tracked them up the coast to a lonesome beach before letting them catch a glimpse. When they cautiously came ashore I leaped out at them with a roar. Man it was funny, they scattered like rabbits in a weasel’s den.

A few days later a hard core group of them returned to the same virgin beach, clad for rugged terrain with all the gear. I stayed out of sight. They tracked around in an organized manner, and came close to flushing me out.

Once more I leaped out with a bellow that would’ve brought down the walls of Jericho. They shrieked and scattered but quickly re-grouped and advanced. The roar-retreat-advance pattern repeated itself several times, with their advances becoming ever more steady and determined. I was laughing, they were laughing, they tried to engage me in conversation but when all they got out of me was grunts and growls and Chimpanzee yells (ooo! ooo! ooo-ooo-ooo AHH! AHH! AHHHHHHHHH…!!!) they gave me a bit of cheek and we went our separate ways.

Bad Boy Syndrome

Bad Boy Attraction most definitely exists. It’s just a question of how much and how far. Do all women have it, and some manage to smother it? Or do some escape it completely? Or… am I completely wrong about the BB, and are women simply attracted to strength? Would they actually prefer the strength without the “BB” (in which case, if my own observation of “Bad Boys” is accurate, they’d usually be left with someone like me)?

When women say they are attracted to the wrong sort of man, do they mean the Bad Boy? I reckon yeah, more often than not.

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422 comments on “Times as a “Bad Boy”
  1. Tarnished says:

    “At this juncture (cough) I should say some of the description of the Wild Man was somewhat exaggerated.”

    But of course. Horses are not nearly as well endowed as Sasquatch…

    “Do all women have it, and some manage to smother it? Or do some escape it completely?”

    It’s likely very easy to not have if one has encountered actual dangerous/bad men before adolescence. From female descriptions, both in and out of the manosphere, it sounds as though the Bad Boys are sought after for their hyper-masculinity and literal shows of physical strength. But if both these traits have already been used *against* you as a child/preteen…Why the hell would you want to get burned again?

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  2. Yoda says:

    Slander Moe you do?
    Respond here he should.

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  3. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bad boy, bad bear??? Hmmmm….

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  4. Yoda says:

    But of course. Horses are not nearly as well endowed as Sasquatch…

    But a unicorn big spike it does have.

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  5. Yoda says:

    Polynesians have among the heaviest frames and most heavily muscled bodies of all humans.

    Murican Football players biggest export it is.

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  6. Yoda says:

    What about the ones who willingly gave themselves to the victors – would they not be more likely to survive?

    True this would be.
    Fortunately clones raped and pillaged not.
    One good thing about the Empire this is.

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  7. Poseidon says:

    “But a unicorn big spike it does have.”

    Very funny!!!!!!!!!!

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  8. Tarnished says:

    Hmmm.
    Something just occurred to me:

    Cill, in acknowledging that women have seen you as a BB and have literally thrown themselves at you…Well, you do realize that you’ve just admitted to (involuntarily) being that which the manosphere hates, right? 😰

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  9. Tarnished says:

    “If it does head her way she’ll expect us to defend her.”

    Yeah…not really something one should rely on, from either a realistic or moral point of view.

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  10. Spawny Get says:

    “that which the manosphere hates”
    Que?

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  11. Spawny Get says:

    Never mind the bad boyz, what about the gurlz?

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  12. Cill says:

    Murderous love: Why are so many women aroused by serial killers?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10665003/Murderous-love-Why-are-so-many-women-aroused-by-serial-killers.html

    “Most people think such relationships defy common sense, but some theorists have hypothesized a biological impetus that operates apart from logic. Primate research finds that females prefer the larger, louder, more aggressive males who show clear markers of their maleness. In humans, then, certain women might sense in an aggressive male a larger-than-life companion who can deliver more than an ordinary man could. Through him, she subconsciously perceives, she gains status and protection.

    Whatever the psychological dynamic, the most dangerous males in a prison, if also media-genic, will likely draw women who hope to become their wives.”

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  13. Cill says:

    “you do realize that you’ve just admitted to (involuntarily) being that which the manosphere hates, right?”

    Right. But not involuntarily 😉

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  14. Cill says:

    Spawny at 11:40 pm

    What next in this screwed up Feminist world – wimpy boys swooning over to badass gurlz?

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  15. Tarnished says:

    Spawny,

    “Que?”

    I am talking about the decent subsection of the manosphere that spends hours lamenting the fact that women shun good, nice, hardworking Betas in favor of crass, rough, Bad Boys. I’ve often wondered exactly how they can tell just by looking at a woman/a couple that the man is a Bad Boy instead of a regular dude like themselves.

    Hence, I was pointing out that Cill would almost definitely set off the BB Radar of both 95% of women AND the aforementioned manospherians…Yet he is not actually a BB. He just looks like one.

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  16. Sumo says:

    “I’m not a bad boy, but I play one on TV.”

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  17. Cill says:

    Perceptive Tarn has done it again – hit the nail smack on the head. You are so right, mate 🙂

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  18. Cill says:

    You *are* a Bad Boy, Sumo. You KNOW you are.
    Mwahahahaha! …

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  19. Tarnished says:

    Comment @ 12:05…

    Tarn the Unicorn rears up and stabs the phone screen straight on through.

    Then tramples the remaining pieces.

    Then sets them on fire.

    (Don’t worry about how a unicorn can light a match or procure gasoline…I know some llamas.)

    [Cill edit: I removed my insensitive comment and apologize]

    [Second Note from Cill: See below vvv]

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  20. Tarnished says:

    I should mention that my comment at 12:19 was just a somewhat exaggerated reaction to the fact that people would continue to find such a repulsive beast “attractive”. The women Cill spoke of were glorifying monstrosity, NOT masculinity.

    Masculinity is the other side of Femininity, two halves of one whole. The Lady and the Lord, the man and the woman, the crone and the sage, the youth and the maiden, the yoni and the lingam. Both are to be cherished and held as Sacred expressions of the Deities.

    To corrupt masculinity in such a way is as close to blasphemous as you can get, at least in my faith. It is a terrible thing, but I thank Cill for bringing it up as a potential discussion topic. If even talking about something is made taboo, how are we to find cures for it?

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  21. Cill says:

    I reinstate the “12:05 comment” as Tarn has emailed to say she’s okay with it.

    Josef Fritzl received hundreds of love letters after his arrest for murder, rape and incest after allegedly imprisoning his daughter in a cellar for 24 years and fathering seven children with her. A face that only “some women” could love:

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  22. Sumo says:

    Since my LE career was cut short, I’ve been…embracing my BB side a little more, I guess. It’s difficult to overcome decades of repression, though.

    In the past, the “badness” was reserved for dealing with criminals. I dialed it back for interactions with civilians for the most part; occasionally it slipped out while interacting with the wimminfolk, but oddly only with those whom I was not interested in.

    Maybe I just got some sort of twisted enjoyment out of riling them up and not following through. Doe that make me a male version of a cock tease? A pussy tease, perhaps?

    Man, I really need to stop posting stuff when I’m sober. The drunken ramblings never get this weird.

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  23. Tarnished says:

    Just a quick note, then I’m off to the grocery…

    Gendercide CANNOT be allowed to happen to either sex. It’s an abomination towards the natural order of our world. It’d be just as bad as finding a way to avoid death, or to remove an entire ethnicity from the globe, or to remove one’s soul. It just…isn’t done.

    (I beg apology from our atheist friends/readers for this last example.)

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  24. Cill says:

    It’s true, you do seem more sober there, Sumo.

    Continuing the serious theme, do you think Tarn’s comment at 11:58 pm applies to you too? It sure as hell applies to me, right smack on the button.

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  25. Sumo says:

    Well, no. Unlike you, I *am* kind of a dick, just not quite as much as I play it up for entertainment purposes.

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  26. SFC Ton says:

    Today’s bad boy was yesterday’s regular man… back when he was still allowed and encouraged to be a man.

    The term bad boy should be retired since generally it refers to criminals or men who have not been neutered. Either way the term does not reply fit or apply

    I would say that the hyper masculine appeal is pretty much universal; young girls who need up on the wrong side of that more so as no other form of masculinity trips their triggers and in the hopes said man will protect them from other dangers. Nor is it hyper masculinty, it’s just masculinty. Anything less is feminized behavior.

    The inborn desire for a so called bad boy is for a man who will do X+ to ensure his and here’s survival.

    Most.so.called hyper masculine men are not violent let alone violent toward women kids…. but it’s a common anti masculine slur. Same as strong men must be dumb. That said slur is readily accepted by Tarn ‘ shows how men will fawn over a woman.

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  27. SFC Ton says:

    I will also go on the record and say the typical beta commenting etc on the man o sphere is as anti masculine as the typical feminists. The beta wants to tear down the alpha, bad boy or whatever the fuck you want to call him because it’s easier to tear him down an the women who dig it then it is for the beta to reach down, find his balls and butch the fuck up.

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  28. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    That’s not “gendercide”. That’s sex selected abortion. It’s illegal in India and maybe in China. In both countries, females are aborted in favor of males. In India because of the dowry expense and the loss, once married, to her husband’s family. In China, again males are favored under the one child per family law. In both cases, the sons will see to the elders” welfare in their dotage. Here, daughters do that.
    I have read enough from feminists to attach credibility to this story. It is possible. Note that Jezebel denied it.

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  29. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    More bad bear. You’d have a bad attitude too if you were stuck in Egypt and there were no other pandas around of the ooposite sex.

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  30. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get at 11:40pm,
    I have to wonder when all this “beastie” behavior is going to jump the racial gulf. All it takes is a few generations of depending on welfare while removing the father from the family.

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  31. Sumo says:

    I wish I could remember how to post pics to this site.

    Ah well…..here’s some bears for ya, Fuzzie.

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  32. Sumo says:

    And for the record, I’m still sober.

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  33. Yoda says:

    The Panda on top happy he looks.
    Not really bears Pandas are.

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  34. Cill says:

    That must be some sort of a record there, Sumo.

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  35. Yoda says:

    Wrong Yoda was.
    A Panda really a bear it is.

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  36. Yoda says:

    For many decades, the precise taxonomic classification of the giant panda was under debate because it shares characteristics with both bears and raccoons.[59] However, molecular studies suggest the giant panda is a true bear and part of the family Ursidae,[3][60] though it differentiated early in history from the main ursine stock.

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  37. Sumo says:

    Actually, it was a record, apparently. Those pandas went at it for something like 8 minutes, when the average panda boots-knocking session is only 30 seconds. They were filmed, and are going to be used as “panda porn” in order to encourage other pandas to get busy more often.

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  38. Cill says:

    The one on top looks like a certain badass bloke with some Japanese heritage, who sometimes comments on this blog…

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  39. Cill says:

    Note the lecherous grin on that bear’s face. He’s exploiting the other bear, and that’s a fact. He’s the bear with Movie Star Good Looks.

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  40. Yoda says:

    Adult bears the Pandas were?

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  41. Sumo says:

    Here we are –

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  42. Cill says:

    Some females are movers and some are stable. The one in the picture is the stable variety. I can tell by the uprightness of the hind limb, and the right angle where it meets the trunk.

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  43. Poseidon says:

    “I will also go on the record and say the typical beta commenting etc on the man o sphere is as anti masculine as the typical feminists. The beta wants to tear down the alpha, bad boy or whatever the fuck you want to call him because it’s easier to tear him down an the women who dig it then it is for the beta to reach down, find his balls and butch the fuck up.”

    Wouldn’t it be so much fun for us all to actually meet in person. Some of our previous myopic perceptions of one another, solely based on this digital platform, would really be put to the test.

    In 1977 when Bobby Joe Young just knew he would defeat Thomas Hearns at the National AAU Welterweight Tournament and he not only lost to his amazement, Thomas was dubbed the Fighter of the Tournament. After that victory Thomas Hearns went pro and earned his nick name, Thomas The Hitman Hearns. Anybody here old enough like me to remember that?

    Another poignant example: In 1993 the slender Royce Gracie defeated three other overconfident champions of their respective disciplines. Royce elevated himself and his discipline of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu by amazing everybody with his victories. All the fans and fighters considered Royce too little and beta-ish to even be in the octagon with them, but we know how that turned out….

    Although I agree with much of the manosphere and specifically the Christo-manosphere, I have not agreed with all that I have read from the blog authors that I very much respect. They even, with integrity, voice differences in opinions at times with one another. I for one refuse to be a Star Trekian Borg, or a drone of any kind; be it a churchian drone, a manospherian drone, or a political drone. I shall continue to use my critical thinking skills to cognitively dissect every idea postulated toward me. And I thank my Creator for my ability to do so. My critical thinking and others’ critical thinking will hopefully do the world some good, perhaps even prevent a repeat of the equivalent of the Nazi Holocost against the Jews or any other group.

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  44. Yoda says:

    Grin he does have,

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  45. Cill says:

    Yep Yoda that’s MSGL if ever I saw it.

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  46. Yoda says:

    Better MSGL than Patriarch it is?

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  47. Cill says:

    Good question. I reckon Spawny’s got some stiff competition right there.
    (Haaha!)

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  48. Cill says:

    She looks like she might be wearing gumboots*, actually.

    (*a.k.a. Wellingtons)

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  49. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Panda Porn??? I hope that Anmdrea Dworkin is rolling over in her grave.

    I think that both bears are very pleased with things as they are.

    It brought tears to my eyes. Honor to Wojtek!

    Amor patria nostra lex.

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  50. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, bears going at it are not of much interest on the rugged Coromandel. Moehau Mans would prefer to canoodle with a Moehau Man female whose skin smells like pikelets. As Mrs Moehau Man (my prognosticating old mum) says, a man’s predilection for action sorts the Moes from the Padawans of this world.

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  51. Sumo says:

    More power to ya, Moe. Personally, I prefer females of the less hirsute variety.

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  52. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Moehau Man,
    Our interest in pandas’ mating is to see them thrive. The product of their union, baby pandas, are loads of fun to watch.

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  53. Moehau Man says:

    Well young Fuzzy, a Moehau Man’s interest in canoodling with a Moehau Man female is to see his own species thrive.

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  54. Liz says:

    I think women crave masculine “energy” (masculine traits). You don’t sound like a “bad boy” Cill, you sound like a masculine guy. 🙂

    Quoting Bastiat, on one of his posts at J4G, and I think it’s spot-on:
    “For very complicated reasons, something went wrong with society’s little Hotter, Colder game. “Bad” guys look better than good ones, because Bad Guys have come to exemplify sex differences, and most women ultimately do want to feel like the girls in their relationships.

    It’s an impossible mating situation for many Good Guys if being good means being more like a girl, yet heterosexual girls don’t want to be in romantic relationships with girls. But the feminist/Frankfurt School/cultural Marxist centrally stated position of there being no sex differences (unless there *are* sex differences discovered, in which case it is normally stated that the exemplary “Good Men” are not different and have identical goals to hypothetically average female goals. The data is of course normally culled from the self-reported, Swiss cheese surveys that sociologists and Gender Studies academics use as the basis for virtually all research. It is a transparent, ultimately self-defeating way of pathologizing guys who show sex differences—effectively conceding masculinity to them) makes being different a kind of thoughtcrime, and thoughtcriminals are of course going to be labeled Bad Guys.

    I think the Manosphere common trope that “chicks dig jerks” usually misses this point. IMHO, it’s not that they actually want jerks (normally); it is that they want to feel like women, and jerks are in many cases the only ones supplying this effect by behaving in a differentiated, masculine, “fuck-PC-I-kill-mastodons” way. It doesn’t have to be so—Good Guys could be just as strong and masculine. But if you outlaw weapons, in the end only outlaws will have weapons… Naturally, by process of self-selection the men most free to behave this way will be those who have been more successful voicing such opinions in the past.”

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  55. Cill says:

    Liz, spot on. I don’t know who Bastiat is, but he sounds like a man from whom I could learn a lot, and I have to agree with his statement.

    And yes, whatever else I am, good bad and indifferent, I am masculine.

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  56. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    I would like to believe that.It would mean that men would only need to modify their behavior a little to put this all to right.
    That may be part of it bur, not all of it.

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  57. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, I’m amazed I had to have it pointed out to me but Liz is right. Masculinity is definitely attractive to some women. I think feminism has been at pains to destroy masculinity. The emasculation of white men has removed a lot of their appeal. “Bad Guys have come to exemplify sex differences” (Bastiat via Liz 4:46 am above). Perhaps this could go part of the way towards explaining the grotesque attraction of some women towards murderers and rapists?

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  58. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    Feminism has warped a lot of perceptions. It has tried to make men more effeminate and women more masculine but the real damage is that women are seen as angels and men as demons. It stands to reason that those who are more demonic would be seen as more masculine and, therefore, attractive.
    Sick and twisted.

    I now understand why virtue is not attractive.

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  59. Cill says:

    “women are seen as angels and men as demons. It stands to reason that those who are more demonic would be seen as more masculine”. Good point

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  60. Sumo says:

    To begin, I am no longer sober (yes, yes – I know y’all were starting to worry. Everything is fine, now).

    I don’t believe I’ve mentioned this before, but the cooking school I work at relocated last September to the campus of a local college; specifically, we’re located in a retail space in the residence building. As part of the rental agreement, we had to open a cafe in addition to the school; soup, sandwiches, pastries, etc. One guess who makes all that stuff.

    What that means is there are literally hundreds of nubile young females in close proximity to The Mighty Sumo on a daily basis.

    There are also hundreds of young males, but they’re only peripherally relevant to this anecdote. I say peripherally because from what I’ve observed, most of them are the typical, effeminate boys that we’ve all heard so much about. In other words, not masculine. Aka, the standard by which other men are judged.

    The point is, I’ve been running a mild version of SumoChef Game on any college girl whom I’ve found attractive for the past 6 months, and I’m pretty sure that if I wanted to, I could be hooking up with a different girl every night of the week, solely because I’m one of the few masculine men these girls have ever encountered.

    I haven’t hooked up with any of them, as I haven’t been able to dismiss my ethical reservations about such a thing (in much the same way that I don’t go to the dojo and spar with the white belts; these children would have no defense against me). Still, it’s entirely within the realm of possibility, because I’m a masculine individual.

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  61. Cill says:

    Feminism must be one of the most anti-nature ideologies to afflict humanity. I can’t understand why it’s grip has been allowed to become so crushing. It goes hand-in-hand- with loopy leftism, I suppose.

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  62. Cill says:

    Sumo I note you’re talking masculinity rather than “Bad Boy” there. I reckon masculinity is more of a determining factor than BB. I’ve got masculinity in spades, which is probably why I appeal to some women. It sure ain’t nothin’ to do with beauty!

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  63. Cill says:

    Bloom’s link “don’t be afraid to let your inner caveman out to play. Hunt. Fish. Climb rocks. Shoot guns. Raise and slaughter chickens. Play sports. Build fires. Brew beer. Howl at the moon. Hit stuff with sticks. Throw rocks. Be stinky and dirty every now and then. Let your beard get scruffy occasionally. Get back in touch with your neanderthal side. Chicks dig it. Even if your mom told you they don’t!”

    Yep, I do one or more of those things every day, plus a whole lot else e.g. hunting and diving (and scaring the pants off inquisitive women). I haven’t done much by way of howling at the moon. I’ll give it a shot tonight and let y’all know how I go.

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  64. Sumo says:

    The “bad boy” thing, in my opinion, is more about a disregard for “rules”; as I mentioned previously, it’s difficult for me to completely throw off my prior training/ideology on such matters. I believe that while a bad boy is masculine, a masculine individual doesn’t have to be a bad boy.

    As Ton mentioned above, it’s more that being a bad boy is the more common representation of masculinity.

    At least, I think that’s what he said. I have been drinking, after all.

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  65. Cill says:

    Damn bro, you’ve inspired me to have a tipple for myself. Chivas. (glug)
    Straight down the hatch it goes.

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  66. Sumo says:

    Cheers, mate!

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  67. Cill says:

    Bottoms up bro

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  68. Sumo says:

    That’s generally the way I prefer it, yeah.

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  69. Cill says:

    You’re a bad dog, a bad bad dog. I’m a mish man. 😉

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  70. Sumo says:

    I have no idea what “mish man” means. And I’m fairly certain that confessing that I haven’t boned any of the college girls is a good indicator that I am not, in fact, a dog. 😀

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  71. Cill says:

    mish = missionary XD

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  72. Cill says:

    Sex styles bro, no offense intended.

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  73. Sumo says:

    None taken. That shit is f**kin’ hilarious.

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  74. Cill says:

    Dog vs mish.
    Dog don’t need to look at the mantelpiece when stoking the fire.
    Mish does. XD
    5 shots Chivas now bro.

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  75. Tarnished says:

    Cill & Sumo,

    You two seem to be drunk off your gourds now, but I wanted to thank the 2 of you for furthering the idea about hypermasculinity I put forth at my first comment. I saw that scfton at 1:45 assumed I was using it as a slur/a shaming tactic…I’m grateful you guys understood what I meant and clarified it so eloquently.

    Before you started drinking, that is. Now I’m not entirely sure what you’re on about, what with gumboots and cheeky pandas and dog vs missionary…Oy vey. 😉

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  76. Tarnished says:

    “It has tried to make men more effeminate and women more masculine but the real damage is that women are seen as angels and men as demons.”

    Female sexuality has also been corrupted over a few hundred years to be seen as soley passive, whereas male sexuality is likewise burdened with always being seen as active. Hence why rape/harassment laws are so very one sided in their language…Even when men are raped by women, they are seen as an “active” participant simply due to their maleness. Surely there’s no way a woman (the necessarily “passive” sex) could ever force herself on such an instigator who “always wants it”. /massive sarcasm

    I believe we are seeing the extremist forms of attraction, sex, and femininity/masculinity nowadays. I’m not one to romanticize the ancient past (after all, it was a harsh world then) but still can’t help but imagine that certain truths were more well known. In our current culture, men and women are being done a huge disservice.

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  77. Spawny Get says:

    “what with gumboots and cheeky pandas”
    confused? of course.

    Gumboots and sheep (and maybe a handy cliff edge)…that’s the usual wellies context

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  78. Liz says:

    Tarn, I agree that Female sexuality has also been corrupted over a few hundred years. But I don’t agree that it has been corrupted to be “passive”. The extremely aggressive, male-like sexuality of PPPs today is a relatively new thing. Women were taught to be ladies, now they are receiving social messages to be extrememly sexually-aggressive skanks. They’re basically trying to be men.
    And THAT is closer to the cause of the female-on-male rape problem, IMO. Passively sexual women don’t rape men, or jump on them and make sexual demands of strangers/uninterested parties/children.

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  79. SFC Ton says:

    That Graice mentioned is my least favorite dude of his clan but his size is not relevant to the discussion (dont know him well enough to say about being beta but fighting in the ring tends to destroy betaness which is why I recommended it and.he/his family was well known in certian circles before he came to the usa so an unknown fighter?… not so much) and I remember Tommy the Hit man Hearns…. also wonder how he is relevant.

    My point is “bad boy” is a label betas put on actuall men to side step the necessary effort and sacrifice required to become a man. Some of us, that appeal is natural and what it takes to hit that sovereign lifestyle just is what it is but most boys require training. That training is work and requires the ability to deal with pain, physical and mental . Betas prefer to avoid the effort and pain so they dismiss masculinty. They use terms like bad boy or hyper masculine to dismiss actual manhood.

    Sort of like my theory that beta men supported feminism because it lifted the burdens of command etc from them. Being beta is easy; easy as in it takes no real risk, involves no real danger etc etc

    What women dig is men who exert themselves and provide leadership: this is considered being a jerk by betas. Some dudes who exert their power are indeed assholes about it, most simply have a healthy since of self, pride, self respect etc…. jerks to betas who lack those things and jerks to feminist who want men to yield to the feminine imperative

    Bastia and I normally say the same thing, he says it a lot better then I, him being much smarter and better educated….we also have similar military backgrounds…. though he is more the philosopher warrior then my temperament would allow

    Virtue is only virtue is you have the ability to act otherwise. The root of the word virture comes from right action in masculine pursuits, ie the Roman war machine. Iron discipline, blood soaked hands sort of thing. Betas, being less then masculine are forced into the good guy roll, not necessarily out of moral convictions but because they lack the ability to be anything else. No real choice involved for them. When someone gets to close to my bike or Cobra, and I elect not to crush their skull, that is an exercise in a moral code because I have the ability to stove pipe their skull. A beta doesn’t elect to refrain from action because he is not the sort to take action on his own accord.

    I’ll use Cill’s deal of messing with people at his beach. He’s a jovial sort so he deals with the interlopers in a playful manner. He is also capable of just stepping out of the woodline and telling them to leave or else. His option. Betas don’t have that “or else” option so being a rule follower is not a sign of their virtue; it’s a sign they lack options.

    How many women want you to bend them over & fuck them from behind is a marker of how overtly masculine a man is. His core beliefs dictate how many, if any he will bend over. Again, betas low N count is not necessarily an indication of his moral code. Necessity doesn’t equal virtue, moral code etc and what have you. My little brother had women come on to him all the time; remaining faithful to his vows made him a moral man. A beta who doesn’t stray from his marriage vows and has no opportunity to do so is not displaying any sort of moral code because breaking those vows are not an option.

    The Mighty Sumo is making a moral decision not to smash that college ass because smashing said ass is within his ability. The dorks not smashing that college ass… well it’s not really a moral code on their part because they lack the ability

    Disregard for rules? Who’s rules? Personally I am not much concerned about the laws of men and feel at liberty to disregard them. Now there is the other set of rules I am more concerned with but none where passed by the government

    What is this “sober” thing y’all are discussing? 5 shots? So it’s breakfast time in NZ? 1 shot for every two eggs is the breakfast norm.

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  80. SFC Ton says:

    LOL you used a term that is a slur. That’s on you.

    Women will always be poor imitations of men… I reckon that’s why most are so unhappy. The measuring stick is all wrong

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  81. Tarnished says:

    COVER THINE EYES, YODA!
    Or anyone else who doesn’t like reading about sex things.

    Liz,

    What we’re seeing now, especially with the PPPs and the horrible female teacher/male student crap, is the pendulum swinging to the other extreme. Previously, especially in the Victorian era for the West, female sexuality was considered almost nonexistent. Recall how women were treated for “hysterics” by gynecologists, how Freud declared that clitoral orgasms were “immature”, how wealthier husbands would have sex with prostitutes instead of their wives except for the act of baby making because proper women didn’t have libidos, and how utterly scandalous it was when people like Kinsey wrote a book saying that, yes, women and girls masturbate and have sexual fantasies.

    In my last comment, I didn’t mean that women are meant to be sexually aggressive, but rather that prescribing the traits of active/passive to a particular sex as a whole is foolish.

    P.S.-
    I remember from conversations we had over at my blog that you and I have different views about what specific sex acts count as being submissive, if any. (I think we’d been talking about oral, and you had believed it was necessarily submissive whereas I don’t attach traits to specific acts unless it’s within the confines of an actual bdsm game.)

    If you want to just say Agree To Disagree, I’m cool with that. 😉

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  82. Tarnished says:

    Scfton,

    “LOL you used a term that is a slur. That’s on you.”

    It is indeed on me. I accept responsibility for my words and actions. In my defense, I didn’t know it would be seen as a slur to anyone, and certainly didn’t mean it as such.

    The same thing happened on a different forum last week, when I said a quote in a certain news article was “crazy”, and was reprimanded for using a slur against the mentally ill. In that instance too, I wasn’t using the word as a derogatory term against a particular group of people…but it was automatically perceived as such.

    So, I apologize if my language upset you, scfton. It was not my intent, and I’ll strive to clarify more in the future.

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  83. SFC Ton says:

    Well if you look how the term is used in general, it is used as a slur

    The crazy thing is crazy because “we” no longer use it to describe folks with mental health issues. Legit mental health issues. “We” now use “crazy” the way you did.

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  84. Tarnished says:

    “Well if you look how the term is used in general, it is used as a slur.”

    Lol. But that’s just it…I don’t ever hear the term used “in general”. I’ve been done with college for a number of years now, I don’t have any female friends, I don’t read feminist websites or blogs, and it’s not a word I use in everyday conversation. The last time I can even recall hearing it was from my mother 2 months ago when she was describing a character on The Walking Dead she liked. In her usage, hypermasculine men are “yummy”.

    *shudder*

    However, I accept that regardless of the fact I see it as a neutral term you (and presumably others) see it as a slur. Thus, I’ll either not use it in the future since you’ve told me it bothers you or will use much more clarification when using it.

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  85. SFC Ton says:

    It’s a small thing but research it yourself… it is normally a slur.

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  86. SFC Ton says:

    Used as you used it implying beating kids etc is hyper masculine

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  87. jf13 says:

    re: “Women’s Alphas. And others who claim they are not BBs but are treated as BBs by women.”

    The best definition of an alpha is a male who women feel the women have to service, exactly like beta males have to service females.

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  88. Tarnished says:

    I’m gone for most of the day, all.

    Happy Ostara/Easter/Passover!
    Or just have a fun, relaxing spring day for our agnostic/atheist friends!🌷🌈🎈

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  89. jf13 says:

    Q&A.
    Q. Do all women have it,
    A. Yes.

    Q. and some manage to smother it?
    A. Yes.

    Q. Or do some escape it completely?
    A. Asexuals.

    Q. are women simply attracted to strength?
    A. No.

    Q. Would they actually prefer the strength without the “BB”
    A. No.

    Q. When women say they are attracted to the wrong sort of man, do they mean the Bad Boy?
    A. Yes.

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  90. jf13 says:

    re: “lamenting the fact that women shun good, nice, hardworking Betas in favor of crass, rough, Bad Boys”

    But this lamenting is merely rational. The actual *advice* in the manosphere is that a man does have to treat women crassly and roughly in order for the the women to treat him as man, assuming that’s what he wants women to do.

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  91. jf13 says:

    It is specifically the badness, the capacity to cause harm/evil, that works with women. Strength is almost irrelevant, except that it is yoked to harm specifically.

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  92. Liz says:

    JF13: “It is specifically the badness, the capacity to cause harm/evil, that works with women. Strength is almost irrelevant, except that it is yoked to harm specifically.”

    You say this, but you’ve also stated that women are attracted to ‘manly men’ because manly men are less virile and therefore less likely to make them pregnant.

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  93. jf13 says:

    So how come even after I politely post here scientifical references showing that it is a male’s perceived sexual risk, sexual danger, increased probability of sexual harm to a female that is specifically linked to sexual attraction in the female, folks here still muse “Well, maybe it’s the perception of protection she gains from his spike-studded Harley helmet.”

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  94. Liz says:

    Many of your claims, jf13, make no earthly sense at all. If women REALLY wanted criminals, there would be a lot more women lining up for convicts instead of the nastiest prison guard hags and less the one percent of the very very most fucked up portion of the female population.

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  95. jf13 says:

    @Liz, re: virility

    It’s not just me thrashing around. High T, above about 1000 ng/dL blood level, lowers sperm count, and individual motility is best at very moderate (aside, “very moderate” lol) T, e.g. 600. That fact demands some kind of explanation, and previously to discovering sexual conflict as the universal theme, I was still attached to the erroneous “female selection” model.

    The correct explanation is the “female deselection” model of sexual conflict. Males who are de-selected need to be more fertile, while males who can have their way with lotsa women do not need great fertility.

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  96. Liz says:

    JF13: “So how come even after I politely post here scientifical references showing that it is a male’s perceived sexual risk, sexual danger, increased probability of sexual harm to a female that is specifically linked to sexual attraction in the female, folks here still muse “Well, maybe it’s the perception of protection she gains from his spike-studded Harley helmet.”

    Because you very very impolitely state that ALL women are after jerks, and you’ve very very impolitely implied that MY husband is a jerk, and that this is what I like about him.

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  97. jf13 says:

    re: making sense

    Your claim seems to be that it is not true that the trend for men is that a man can get more sex from more women by him acting more bad/evil/harmful.

    Is there a preponderance of evidence that the trend for a man is that he can get more sex from more women by him acting more good/nice/caring? No. Is there any such evidence at all for any individual man? Nope.

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  98. Liz says:

    Jf13: “Your claim seems to be that it is not true that the trend for men is that a man can get more sex from more women by him acting more bad/evil/harmful.

    Is there a preponderance of evidence that the trend for a man is that he can get more sex from more women by him acting more good/nice/caring? No. Is there any such evidence at all for any individual man? Nope.”

    False dichotomy back at ya:
    Is there a preponderance of evidence that women prefer violent criminals to non-criminals?

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  99. Liz says:

    I willl say this. A guy can be muscular but if he comes across as sheepish…sheepishness is a feminine trait and unattractive. There is nothing nice about a supplicating sheepish personality, that’s feminine.

    The opposite of supplicating feminine sheeple-person is not “jerk” or criminal. But we’ve been here many many many times before.

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  100. Great post, Cill. I’m gonna agree with the others that it’s the masculinity and strength that “bad boys” seem to have–which u have too, despite not being “bad” IMO–which accounts for most of their attractiveness to women. Like Sfcton said, Bastiat is v intelligent and I rarely disagree with the gist of his comments.

    Sadly I have not yet watched “Rebel Without a Cause”, but James Dean’s character in that movie is one of the classic ‘bad boys’ and is known for sending female hearts aflutter. From what I’ve read, he doesn’t play a guy that is bad-hearted at all, but is brooding and troubled due to his parents’ troubled rship, doesn’t have many friends, is actually bullied by some guys and holds his own vs them although he refuses to take part in a knife-fight. And of course he looks hot in his jeans. 😉 Some pple wouldn’t even consider him a bad boy by their definition, and these different definitions complicate the discussion.

    I think smthg relevant is that recent research indicates both men and women prefer nonconformist partners. I was pretty sure of that long before I saw these findings. 🙂 “Bad boys” often seem noncomformist and that is probably another reason for their charm. However a guy can be nonconformist without being a bad boy.

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  101. I’ll just add the links to the studies on nonconformism here.

    http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/non-conformity-has-sex-appeal-for-men-and-women

    In case anyone decides they’re having too much fun on Easter Sunday and wants to look at journal articles. ^^

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  102. Liz says:

    One more thought per “strength”. Muscularity without masculinity is about as useless as teets on a boar. One example that comes to mind is Lenny from Mice and Men. Strong guy…he’s dangerously violent too! Must be a dreamboat…he even killed a woman without intending to! Was this an attractive trait? To state the obvious: Nope.

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  103. Tarnished says:

    Whoa there, scfton! I did NOT say that hypermasculine men are necessarily child abusers! Please don’t put words in my mouth. Remember, there’s really *nothing* between the lines of what I say.

    I said:
    “It’s likely very easy to not have if one has encountered actual dangerous/bad men before adolescence. From female descriptions, both in and out of the manosphere, it sounds as though the Bad Boys are sought after for their hyper-masculinity and literal shows of physical strength. But if both these traits have already been used *against* you as a child/preteen…Why the hell would you want to get burned again?”
    (Emphasis added)

    I would never say that hypermasculine men are child abusers simply because they are hypermasculine. Only that if they are also given to that plus shows of physical strength there is a possibility that someone who’s dealt with monsters *with these same 2 traits* before would likely be uneasy around/not attracted to such a person.

    Case in point:
    One of the things I absolutely adore about my love is that he’s never tried to call me weak or insinuated that I’m not as strong as him. We both know it, of course…he’s taller, broader, and weighs significantly more than I do. But he never once has assumed I can’t carry something, never offers to help me just because, and doesn’t make any mean comments if I do ask for assistance. Contrast this with my stepfather, who constantly said I was weak, who would literally take boxes/crates out of my hands because “women don’t carry heavy things” even though I had no trouble with them, and used shows of strength to intimidate/terrify me.

    But even though my stepfather was a bastard douche cretin who had these traits, that does NOT mean everyone else who has them is also a bastard douche cretin…They just aren’t attractive to me whatsoever. NAHMALT.

    I can see now why you were so defensive. Again, I’ll clarify more in the future. Sorry for my part in the misunderstanding.

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  104. SFC Ton says:

    Women want strong men who…. use their strength to achieve what they want.

    It’s that will to use his gifts, strengths etc and take risks to get what he wants that does the trick. I think

    Using your strengths for your own gain is considered “bad” in the modern effeminate world. So it makes you a bad boy

    As for lawbreaking. Chicks dig it. I bootleg, drink way to much, move some weight, get into bar brawls, don’t wear a helmet, have legit contacts with criminal orgnzations etc and chicks dig it. The real 1%’ers and set crews I know have decent N counts and few have pretty tall ones…. but the dudes in the sets…. well I don’t see where black folk have much discretion in these things.

    I kill, steal and kidnap for a living. Some chicks dig it at this level. What they do dig is the sideline stuff. HALO, HAHO, combat diver, being in peak condition, driving classes etc. And well seems like half the movies out there are “based” on what we do or.train for so I think that has some affect but it is a very socially acceptable form of aggression and masculinity.

    I will also say the appeal seems universal given my N count and the N count my peers rack up but I am also willing go admit it might be more a matter of scarcity. N counts much higher than the PUA seem to throw around

    Socially I am all the left considers evil; even leftist chicks dig it. Hell the type of weight training I enjoy is even socially unacceptable and the yoga chicks dig the display in strength. Strength in action

    I’ve not yet meet the pilot who is not a “jerk”. And I deal with a shit ton of them

    Also don’t see where Liz and JF actually disagree. It’s more about the margins and degrees

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  105. SFC Ton says:

    Women want strong men who…. use their strength to achieve what they want.

    It’s that will to use his gifts, strengths etc and take risks to get what he wants that does the trick. I think

    Using your strengths for your own gain is considered “bad” in the modern effeminate world. So it makes you a bad boy

    As for lawbreaking. Chicks dig it. I bootleg, drink way to much, move some weight, get into bar brawls, don’t wear a helmet, have legit contacts with criminal orgnzations etc and chicks dig it. The real 1%’ers and set crews I know have decent N counts and few have pretty tall ones…. but the dudes in the sets…. well I don’t see where black folk have much discretion in these things.

    I kill, steal and kidnap for a living. Some chicks dig it at this level. What they do dig is the sideline stuff. HALO, HAHO, combat diver, being in peak condition, driving classes etc. And well seems like half the movies out there are “based” on what we do or.train for so I think that has some affect but it is a very socially acceptable form of aggression and masculinity.

    I will also say the appeal seems universal given my N count and the N count my peers rack up but I am also willing go admit it might be more a matter of scarcity. N counts much higher than the PUA seem to throw around

    Socially I am all the left considers evil; even leftist chicks dig it. Hell the type of weight training I enjoy is even socially unacceptable and the yoga chicks dig the display in strength. Strength in action

    I’ve not yet meet the pilot who is not a “jerk”. And I deal with a shit ton of them

    Also don’t see where Liz and JF actually disagree. It’s more about the margins and degrees

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  106. SFC Ton says:

    Sorry for the double post…

    Accidents etc happen but yea your post sounded much like the typical feminist stuff complete with…. what the fuck the term is? Code words or some such?

    Any rate that’s how they use hyper masculine…. I think in an attempt not drive more men away. Any rate we’re good and I think understand each other enough.

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  107. Yoda says:

    Women will always be poor imitations of men… I reckon that’s why most are so unhappy. The measuring stick is all wrong

    Measuring stick women have not.

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  108. Tarnished says:

    Liz and Alana,

    What do you think of this? A regular guy is attractive when he has confidence in himself and his abilities but a jerk is not, because he forces his confidence on others. However, women who have no confidence in themselves like jerks precisely because they believe they can syphon off his.

    Just something I’m throwing out there, given the observations Liz made above to jf13.

    Okay, gone for real now, since I’m going to start driving! 🙂

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  109. SFC Ton says:

    A jerk is a man with confidence who the woman dislikes.

    These days tt’s a word without meaning

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  110. Well Sfcton, my cousin is a pilot and he’s not a jerk, he’s really nice. He recently married and he and his wife seem v fond of each other.

    In the past I also dated a pilot who was v sweet and definitely not a jerk, in fact sadly I think I was the one who wasn’t v nice to him back then; I was still v immature.

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  111. SFC Ton says:

    LOL.course they aren’t jerks… You happen to like them

    That’s all jerk means. Past that it’s a pointless word. Doubt there is much wrong with most men who are called jerks( what’s the word used for women? Are chicks jerks too?)

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  112. @ Tarnished: Yeah there will be some Manospherians who disagree with this, but I believe women who choose to date jerks (I consider a guy a jerk if he actually treats pple badly, displays lack of empathy and integrity etc, not just if he is somewhat rebellious, smokes, is not ready to settle down, likes partying etc) generally have some psychological issues, or are very insecure.

    It’s one thing to feel some sparks of attraction–as seen in the brain scans that JF13 mentioned–but to actually choose such a man over a guy who has integrity, confidence and kindness is smthg I can’t fathom.

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  113. Spawny Get says:

    Chapin proposes (wants) females in the front line.

    Most especially an all ‘female’ Rad-Fem division based in Yemen focused on mine clearance.

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  114. Spawny Get says:

    Ton needs to listen to that Chapin thing. It’s got me LOLing within the first ten minutes.

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  115. Btw on the topic of pilots and lack of empathy, I’m so annoyed at the (thankfully relatively-few) people whose main reaction to the Germanwings pilot’s mass murder is to blame it on his depression (or the stigma vs depression, or the supposed insufficient funds to help depressed pple) and therefore remove some blame from him.

    Fortunately most pple understand that depressed pple are generally not homicidal or violent without other psychological disorders like a sociopathic lack of empathy.

    I saw this annoying comment “I was apalled to see how the media has stormed against the guy. People dont understand that depression is a real thing. ”

    I think this stuff is part of the increasing abdication of personal accountability in modern society and it really pisses me off.

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  116. Spawny Get says:

    Never mind drafting all women, just draft feminists. Now I hear what you say, “don’t want to give someone that mentally unstable live grenades”, okay. No need to give ’em weapons. Just push ’em out from the frontline, “the enemy is over there, you got nails…”

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  117. I know some guys who are jerks and yes they have girlfriends and are jerks to them but I don’t see the appeal myself. I do like a masculine man. masculine and jerk are not the same thing.

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  118. SFC Ton says:

    No tingles equals jerk.

    Tingles.equals everything is swell(or nearly everything)

    Which is why betas talk about how chicks dig jerks

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  119. SFC Ton says:

    My family has done the military thing since the nation was a colony

    Now that my son is out, that is no longer true. The “nation” is no longer worthy of the sacrifice and we will no longer encourage our kin to sign up

    america is now set up to pit women and non Whites against White men, and is no longer a nation for men or Whites, especially those of us of Founding Stock. Let women and non Whites do the fight from now on

    I fully support an all female and all “minority” military most especially in the kinds of jobs that get you killed

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  120. Off topic: one of my chickens has been trying to sit a nest for weeks but noting was happening. I looked and no eggs! Silly thing was confused. So I went to the store and got five baby chicks. I had read if you put them under her at night, she will wake up thinking they hatched. Sure enough, she’s happy as a clam this morning, hunkered down, making soft coooing sounds as the occasional baby chick head peeks out of her feathers. Success! Happy Easter!

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  121. Liz says:

    I support all-female brigades (or whatever) in combat ONLY when the lives of others aren’t on the line. I don’t want a female in the line of fire if that means a dude has to risk his own life to cover her ass (or pregnancy/ad nauseum ect). Unfortunately, when women are in combat, they are liabilities and men lose their lives. When women are in military positions to go to combat, they get pregnant/ill and so forth and men have to do double-time taking the risks while they stay at home and draw paychecks, promotions, medical and go to school on the nation’s dime.

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  122. That puppy is just too cute, Liz. 🙂

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  123. Liz says:

    And of course, they don’t have the body strength to pull that injured soldier out of trouble either. They ARE the trouble, and only bring trouble.
    (yes, I have some strong opinions on this matter)

    A lot of pilots do act like jerks. The ones who don’t…well, you touched on this before, so I’ll just quote you Ton (but I’ll nix the term ‘beta’):

    “Some dudes who exert their power are indeed assholes about it, most simply have a healthy since of self, pride, self respect etc…. jerks to betas who lack those things and jerks to feminist who want men to yield to the feminine imperative

    (snip)
    Virtue is only virtue is you have the ability to act otherwise. The root of the word virture comes from right action in masculine pursuits, ie the Roman war machine. Iron discipline, blood soaked hands sort of thing. (Some) are forced into the good guy roll, not necessarily out of moral convictions but because they lack the ability to be anything else. No real choice involved for them.”

    “Jerk” pilots aren’t arrogant due to masculine traits. Yes, there are a lot of jerk pilots. There’s a reason I thought I’d never marry one before I met the one I wanted to marry.
    Truly accomplished pilots, just like people accomplished at most things, don’t usually feel like they need that sort of thing. They’re seldom jerks, nor are they arrogant. My husband has never been a jerk. Because his self-concept comes from accomplishment, pride, self-respect, and (when it comes to aircraft) demonstrated ability.

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  124. Liz says:

    I wish I had a dime for every time some arrogant little guy in a pilot’s suit tried to lecture my husband on BFM. He never says anything back, just shrugs and compliments them on their own perceived ability. Later, when they find out who he is, they always feel very very foolish.

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  125. Liz says:

    Re puppy: Thanks Alana! 🙂

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  126. Padawan says:

    alanalunalala (by Padawan, Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)

    And who are you,
    alanalunalala?
    who r ya.
    R ya Alana?
    U r Alana,
    Hey, well r ya?

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  127. Liz says:

    Actually, I think jerks and feminists have a lot in common. They’re both operating out of insecurity. Feminists because they know they will never be anything more than a defective man (and they hate being a woman) and jerks because they aren’t the man they want to be.

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  128. Cill says:

    I’m tickled outta my tree that Tarn noticed my comment re the gumboots. It’s an old Kiwi sheep joke (although Spawny once tried to convince me it’s Welsh).

    MUAHAHAHAHA!

    Whakapohane

    >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

    lol bro

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  129. Lol Padawan, the wordpress.com usernames Alana and Alana luna were taken…So…Alana Luna Lala it is.

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  130. Agreed Liz. I mean all those tales of female armies being victorious against their foes are where? Yes, nowhere. Ever. Never. Not that I know of. Even in matealinial societies the women were not warriors.

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  131. Cill says:

    Sumo “They were filmed, and are going to be used as “panda porn” in order to encourage other pandas to get busy more often.”

    I wonder if Pandas would recognize Pandas going at it in the movie? During WW1, T.E. Lawrence was amazed to discover that Bedouins could not interpret a photograph. All they saw was a 2-D pattern or marks on a flat surface

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  132. Cill says:

    Alana Luna-laLAA:
    “recent research indicates both men and women prefer nonconformist partners”
    Yeah! Another pearl of wisdom from the orient. Man I’m starting to be glad I wrote this post.

    Liz gem “useless as teets on a boar.”

    HAHAHAHAHA!

    Liz, Liz, Liz… you’ve done it again. I don’t know, I really don’t know. You and Tarn. Some people are incurable. You really are. I despair.

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  133. Cill says:

    Ton 5 April, 2015 at 4:48 pm

    Truer words were never spoke.

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  134. Cill says:

    Bloom 5 April, 2015 at 5:06 pm
    Gets top prize for Easter story.

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  135. Cill says:

    Spawny Get 5 April, 2015 at 4:08 pm
    lol
    lol
    LOL

    Bloom at 5 April, 2015 at 6:24 a.m. told me to go bay at the moon, and I promised her I would. Well I did.

    Dunno what it did for me, Bloom. Except it brought Molly running outta the house thinking Dog was possessed by the Devil. Well it proved to me I’ve got a realistic dog howl, or I howl like the devil. Maybe I am the Devil. I felt a bit like the Devil when I howled. It gave me a hard on too, that a dog couldn’t chew. I be a baaaaad man. It taught me that much. 😉

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  136. Sumo says:

    Welcome to the Dark Side. We have cookies. And cake. And ribeyes. And pretty much anything else you might want to eat. Sumo got mad kitchen skillz, yo.

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  137. Spawny Get says:

    di-di-dit-dit-di-di-dit-di-dit-dit

    We interrupt this post with breaking news

    dit-dit-di-di-di-dit-dit-di-di-dit

    ! CAUTION ! trigger warning for the delicate young flowers (Alana and Molly) ! CAUTION !

    oh and maybe Tarn, cos of the Uni-corniness factor too

    We go now to our reporter Sargon of Akkad at the 25 minute mark.

    WHY?

    BECAUSE SARGON HAS THE SHOCKING REVELATION OF THE NEXT FANDOM TO TELL SJWs TO GO FUCK THEMSELVES

    AND YOU WON’T BELIEVE WHO IT IS – GUARANTEED
    (though you might already have a clue from the still image below)

    (25 minute mark)

    LMFAO

    respect to Sargon

    Hoof bumps Bros

    Thanks for your kind attention. We now return you to your regular commenting

    di-di-dit-dit-di-di-dit-di-dit-dit-dit-dit-di-di-di-dit-dit-di-di-dit

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  138. Cill says:

    Cloven-hoof bumps. Yeah.

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  139. Tarnished says:

    Cill,

    Howling is tremendously fun and (ahem) exhilarating. 😉
    Tis truth you speak.

    When I was younger (mid teens), my family lived in an area with a lot of coyotes. A decent amount of time they’d stray around the edges of our property, sniffing amongst the deer and wild turkey trails. I’d sit up on our balcony and watch them during the twilight hours, memorizing their noises. When they’d howl, I’d join in too…The first time, they all stopped and stared up at me, but from then on they’d allow me to have a voice in the pack.
    Once, when it had been a long time since I’d seen them, I did the Come Here howl, and they all showed up! I had previously left out some chicken gizzards, because I would’ve felt bad if they’d come by for nothing… 🙂

    TLDR: I made “friends” with a coyote pack by learning their noises, and miss being in an area where I could howl again.

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  140. Spawny Get says:

    “Lol Padawan, the wordpress.com usernames Alana and Alana luna were taken…So…Alana Luna Lala it is.”

    Yeah right! That’s easy for you to say.

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  141. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn, so you liked the di-dit-dit comment…not too old for your young self to comprehend?

    Really looking forward to seeing Militant Bronies…isn’t that an oxymoron?

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  142. Tarnished says:

    Spawny,

    Believe it or not, but the portion of my customer base who are bronies and furries are probably the *most* live and let live people I’ve ever met in my entire life.

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  143. Spawny Get says:

    I do believe you (hence the oxymoron thang). While I’m happy that they’re happy…I’ll be over there, thanks

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  144. Cill says:

    Top prize goes to the patriarch! Hail to Spawny! Hail to the BTMSGL! Hail to the great man! Hail!!

    Fair go, me old mucker, that was fodder for a cloven-hoofed soul. Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings… Bronie, thy name is unicorn.

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  145. Spawny Get says:

    Unca Bern’s Rad-Fem Division and Sargon’s the next Gate…what an afternoon it’s been

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  146. Spawny Get says:

    “I think this stuff is part of the increasing abdication of personal accountability in modern society and it really pisses me off.”

    Preach it Sister Niece

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  147. Tarnished says:

    Cill, you better hope no Bronies see you only talking about unicorns…there’s also pegasus, earth ponies, and alicorns. As punishment, you now have to watch MLP videos teaching you to be happy and love yourself:

    And no, you can’t blame me for knowing these songs. The bronies watch them in my store on their laptops.

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  148. Way to go cill!

    Tarn there are two coyote packs in my valley, they call back and forth to each other, sometimes it sounds like they are right outside! The next time I hear them I will try going out to howl too! I have not worked out their different calls… Yet.

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  149. Lol @ the Sargon video. And did i just watch My Little Pony clips……

    Spawny: “Yeah right! That’s easy for you to say”. Hahaha Alanalunalala is quite a tongue-twister huh. ^^

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  150. Cill says:

    Well Tarn, when I bayed at the moon Molly came belting out of the house in a panic, like I said. Dog came barreling around the corner with a glazed look in his eye. He came right up and boldly sniffed my boner, then he turned around and sauntered off. I reckon I saw him nod his head as he went, though I can’t swear to that.

    Anyway, back to the howling, I heard wolves out back in Sumo country. They went to a lot of trouble getting out of tune with each other. If one chimed in and he was in tune with another, he’d change his note. They all did. In an otherwise utterly silent night it’s one mother fucker of a eerie sound for a man on his own. From miles away they knew I was there. I sense these things, I’m a hunter.

    They howl in discord to make their pack sound bigger. They came close in silence, tested me and knew I had no fear. I respect the wild wolf.

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  151. Cill says:

    “1 shot for every two eggs is the breakfast norm.”
    Hey Ton that’s some dawn-breaker right there. What’s the word for mult babies – sex-sex-sex tuplets?

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  152. Tarnished says:

    Yup. With “my” pack, it got to the point where I could sit about 50 some odd feet away without them caring. Once, one of the younglings tried to come too close to my sitting spot…rather than getting upset at me or think I would hurt the pup, the alpha female growled at *him* and herded him back. It’s how I knew they trusted me about as much as a wild creature could trust a human. They aren’t dogs as we know them, and people should respect that, but if one has patience it’s easy to see how we came to live together in the past.

    Have you ever heard a red fox’s howl? It sounds like a woman being murdered…Listen at about 55 sec:

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  153. Padawan says:

    Coz Alanalunalala (by Padawan, Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)

    Some may huff
    And some may puff
    And some go all-out gaga
    But one thing sure does sound hot stuff –
    Alanalunalala

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  154. Lol that’s a good one, Padawan. It’s got a nice ring to it 🙂

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  155. Padawan says:

    Red Fox Sniffs Cologne (by Padawan, Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)

    The Red fox will howl
    The devil will scowl
    When the Fox is not on his own
    When He passes by
    That Spawny guy
    With his MSGL cologne

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  156. Sumo says:

    Anyway, back to the howling, I heard wolves out back in Sumo country.

    Must be some loud-ass wolves.

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  157. Cill says:

    Tarn 7:55 pm.

    Tarn I tried. I honestly did. That donkey bronie pony stuff ain’t for me. The unicorn was the only one of any interest whatsoever, for daring to question equality. I salute the cloven-hoofed ‘corn for that. Tonight I will go out and open my throat to the Come Here howl and wait for the unicorns to come dancing out of the stars.

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  158. Cill says:

    To us foreigners Sumo country is Canada, bro, a place with many different types of people. But it’s still Canada to us, including way up there in the North East. Sumo’s back yard. Baaad stretches far out yonder.

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  159. Cill says:

    The land of the midnight sun.

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  160. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn @ 7:55, harsh man, really harsh.

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  161. Spawny Get says:

    A present for the non-twiliterate among you

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  162. Cill says:

    I hope Miliband remains leader of Labour, as he holds them back. Why doesn’t Labour replace him? Isn’t your secret heartthrob Nicola Sturgeon more popular?

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  163. Cill says:

    I just noticed the new post.

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  164. Sumo says:

    That midnight sun thing is further north from where I am; I actually read that post wrong, and thought you were saying that you could hear Canadian wolves last night. Hence the loud-ass comment.

    Yes, I’m sober again. Things are so confusing without booze.

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  165. Spawny Get says:

    Don’t risk it, Sumo. Nothing good can come from letting blood contaminate your alcohol stream.

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  166. Cill says:

    Any wolves in your neck of the woods bro?

    Magnificent animals. When Lions take to hunting humans the humans are helpless without firearms – unless they are hunters like the Masai. The non-hunters get completely outwitted by the lions. They are hopeless.

    Wolves are every bit as clever. Bloody hell I respect them. They know they can’t outwit a human who’s hunted since he was young. Hunters are cleverer than the prey, and much cleverer than non-hunter humans in the wild.

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  167. Cill says:

    Spawny’s artificial womb link:
    “Prominent feminists and activists, including Andrea Dworkin and Janice Raymond, have concluded that not only will women be further marginalized and oppressed by this eventuality, but they will become obsolete.”

    Bwa. Ha. Ha. My heart bleeds. Two generations of us have had to listen to them telling us men are obsolete.

    o me miserum

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  168. Sumo says:

    @Cill

    Not many in my immediate area; they’re mostly further north where the deer populations are, and further south where there are numerous cattle ranches.

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  169. SFC Ton says:

    Afghanistan has these wild dog/ wolf. Things big, mean bastards, world renown for fighting a killing other dogs, bears,lions of various parts.

    Anyrate, those things add an extra layer of shit to deal with when you are rear security. Falling to far behind and getting pulled down by a pack of them is a legit concern

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  170. Sumo says:

    Panda found a new piece of ass and brought out his A game. Awesome.

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  171. Just got back from dinner at my neighbor’s, she says there’s rumor of a wolf sighting. I have not heard the coyotes recently, she claims that’s why. I don’t know enough about wolf-coyote dynamics to know if it is true. Anyone know? I wonder of its maybe a wolf hybrid dog gone feral, wolf hybrid dogs as pets were quite the thing for awhile for some reason.

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  172. Spawny Get says:

    Think there’s been talk of reintroducing wolves to Scotland.

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  173. Sumo says:

    The part that kills me the most about the pandas are the facial expressions. He’s all “Yeah baby! Who’s your daddy!?”

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  174. Spawny Get says:

    So was this just a weapons check?

    No more blue balls?

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  175. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It may not be “bad boys” per se. It’s been fifty years since 1965 and the change from assortive mating to the tournament social model is far along. That alphas have come to the forefront is evidence. That betas are getting ignored is further evidence. Applying the 80/20 rule and tossing in the concept of preselection is going to exacerbate things.
    What should betas do? Well, having tried both sides of conflicting advice and still getting nowhere, tossing in the towel may be a good idea. More dignified than being a beta bucks chump.
    I have to wonder what the fembots will do when they realize they are at the root of eighty percent of men checking out. One would conclude that they won’t be very popular with women.

    I was thinking about linking something to the French Foriegn Legion but, the essence of that is men deserve an alternative and another chance. This society has failed them.

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  176. Cill says:

    Ton said: “I’ll use Cill’s deal of messing with people at his beach. He’s a jovial sort so he deals with the interlopers in a playful manner. He is also capable of just stepping out of the woodline and telling them to leave or else. His option. ”

    Well I’ve had to use the “or else” option. A criminal gang tried to take me over, lock stock and barrel (I was betrayed by one of the troubled young men I’ve helped). The gang figured if they could make me their bitch they’d have everything I own as well. Imagine the asset I’d be to a drug-smuggling, people-smuggling gang. A remote, hidden location far from the law, land, house, outbuildings, bunkers, an experienced sailor and a big powerful boat… O yeah that gang was fair lusting after me.

    They came, and I warned them to leave or I would unleash all hell on them. They stayed and I was true to my promise.

    As a boy I built full-scale replicas of Maori Pa (forts). The Maori designers were military geniuses. Their cunning was nothing short of astonishing. I built their principles into my land. I beat that gang. I never make a promise I can’t keep.

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  177. Cill says:

    Hey Sumo and Spawny cut it out would ya? I’ve laughed till my sides ache here. Can’t take no more…

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  178. Spawny Get says:

    The videos on the panda link are worth a look. Sumo is right. Just need a little Barry White playing as background music and they’re set with Panda porn.

    The fact that they need a show’n’yowl to get other pandas going shows what happens when a healthy bear goes veggie. It ain’t natural I tell you. [Cill’s note: No it ain’t. It’s like Winston Churchill with a cigarette holder] No wonder they’re known to snack on the occasional sheep.

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  179. Cill says:

    “Yeah baby! Who’s your daddy!?”

    Bloody hell I can’t stop laughing. Did you see that Panda’s face? Sumo couldn’t have got it more right if he tried. HAHAHAHAHA!!
    LOL

    “No more blue balls?”
    Hell. I have to stop.

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  180. Why you guys are watching Panda porn is kind of beyond me, but I am NOT going to watch it, and mock them, out of respect for an endangered species! Lol. Their mom’s should have taught them, “No cameras!” Or heck, maybe they are into that sort of thing?!? Pexting? Pandsexting? And I should probably stop typing….um yeah. Shhhh.

    There’s a polar bear seduction one, if anyone cares about OTHER bears, where she is doing her all to seduce him! I can hardly stand to watch it, she is such an outright hussy about it. But she gets upstaged by a toy airplane, if I recall. Men! 😉

    Oh what the heck, let’s have a look…

    I think around :49 to 1:05 or so is the behavior Ton was talking about above, lol!

    Oh yeah, I was going to STOP TYPING……shhhhhhh

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  181. Cill says:

    Bloom that is one playful bear. I wonder what she’d do if she saw Moe?

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  182. Sumo says:

    Human females, take note – sometimes you do have to make the first move.

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  183. Spawny Get says:

    Course the younger generation has wild computer skillz

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  184. Ha, I have a new idea for my former tower and moat to lock my girls safely up in! I will build a Morai Pa *surrounded* by a moat with a tower in the center, ringed with white tigers and wrapped in a dragon. Oh wait, yeah, I agreed before, no dragons….dang it! (Dig, dig, construction warning signs being thrown up…power tools and such blaring)

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  185. Cill says:

    Imagine them without their round ears though. They wouldn’t look cute then. It’s all in their ears I reckon.

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  186. SFC Ton says:

    I for one like like to see Pandas off the endangered species list and on my diner plate

    [Cill’s note: We’d fatten them in feed lots. No fun hunting them, too slow]

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  187. Spawny Get says:

    No consequences for Barbie I can reporting dress up doll
    http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/05/media/rolling-stone-uva-rape-article-columbia-probe/index.html?iid=SF_MED_Lead

    In many ways, I suppose, she’s the real victim here.

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  188. But are bear ears erogenous zones? I suppose only Fuzzie would know!

    Speaking of the human species, this graphic pretty much says it all, well worth studying!

    https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608049593046073410&pid=15.1

    ROTFL. OMG what one can find on the Internet! NEED…TO…STOP…TYPING…BUT…I…CAN’T….

    This could be bad…lol

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  189. Spawny Get says:

    Looks about right, Bloom.

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  190. Cill says:

    Bloom, for a Pa all you need is earth and stakes. They build concealed slots in the sloping ground and fire through them. The Poms couldn’t understand why their soldiers kept dropping like flies after they’d captured the Pa. The real business of the best Pa was underground.

    I didn’t use gunfire on the gang of course. Through the slots I burned their bums with a bit of flame and whacked their butts with twisted sprung rope (a Roman trick and fuck it hurts – can’t sit down for a month after that).

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  191. (Solves the mystery of why women are touching you all over except ***THERE***….projection!)

    ROTFL…must …stop…typing…laughing…too…hard…

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  192. (Also solves the mystery of why with a woman if you go straight ****there**** it may not be as welcomed as you might think! Projection, it sure causes lots of confusion! But then sometimes it is welcomed, and that’s about hormones.)

    Ak. BE QUIET…GOD KNOWS WHAT I WILL SAY IF I DON’T STOP….Shhhhh

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  193. Changing subject…The Pa thing is fascinating, I had never heard of it!

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  194. Farm Boy says:

    I did not know that bears were that flexible.

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  195. Farm Boy says:

    I for one like like to see Pandas off the endangered species list and on my diner plate

    I am not sure that Fuzzie would like that idea.

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  196. Cill says:

    “But are bear ears erogenous zones?”

    Let’s ask Fuzzy.

    Hey Fuzzy, do you sometimes fondle your ears during some of your more reflective moments?

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  197. Since I am home alone and rarely get to watch a movie beyond cartoons, I am going to watch one I have not in years in honor of New Zealand, “The Piano” oh la la…

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  198. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    Why the hell would you want to get burned again?

    It’s a conflict between the cortex and the amygdala. Cortex says “stay away” and the amygdala says “he’s hot!”

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  199. But first I am going to get some Chinese take out! That will at least stop my typing for a bit!!!

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  200. Farm Boy says:

    So if Fuzzie Bear watches that video at work, would it be classified as pr0n?
    Would Fuzzie Bear be fired for watching said Pr0N?

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  201. theasdgamer says:

    Went out of town and to a dance bar. Was asked by a woman to go to her table after dancing with her. Twice. Said “no” both times. She was 20 miles of bad road. I still danced with her once anyway.

    I danced with maybe 8 diff women at the joint. I think that only one refused my request to dance. She was very apologetic about doing so.

    The owner approached me and introduced himself. Only chatted briefly.

    I danced a lot with one woman who could dance the best. She was the mother of a pretty woman who it turns out was there with her husband. The husband made sure that he asked his wife to dance any time I was near the table. Mateguarding beta. As I was leaving the area, the wife looked at me longingly several times. Maybe she wanted me to sit and chat up her mother or ask the daughter to dance, Idk.

    The waitress who waited on me was the hottest broad at the joint. I chatted her up a bit and she kino’d me incidentally. On the knee in passing, and after a hug when I was departing, on the lower back, and top of the butt. Just friendly stuff since she knew I was an out-of-towner. College kid and she also sang at the bar.

    I think that young waitresses must all take a kino class and it teaches them that it increases tips to kino men.

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  202. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Why don’t you come over to my cave and we can find out? I can tell you that while bears will swim, brown and black ones do not like getting their ears wet.
    I kind of like tha thread discussing Panmda porn. It’s cheering me up!
    Don’t watch The Piano!. I have a crush on Holly Hunter and it was painful for me to see her sell herself out for keys.
    I did like her in Always.

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  203. @ fuzzie I am watching it now, the key trade thing just happened. I had forgotten much of this, it is very dark and tragic. Talk about no win.

    Was that an invite to come visit to rub your eats and see what happens? Oh dear! (Blush!)

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  204. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Yes, it was. Although, I have to wonder what you will do with an amoorous bear.

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  205. Yoda says:

    rub your eats

    Leave a bear’s eats alone one should.

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  206. Yoda says:

    Rolling Stone publisher Jann S. Wenner placed at least some of the blame for his magazine’s failure to accurately report an alleged gang-rape on the accuser, calling her “a really expert fabulist storyteller.”

    Almost blame the “victim” she did.
    Unprecedented this would be.

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  207. This movie is making me very sad 😥

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  208. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    How about this? It’s not like it’s going to be a surprise but, this is a breat production.

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  209. @ fuzzie are you trying to tell me life is an epic journey? If so I would agree.

    I thought I heard coyotes just now, but no… Just the rain.

    @ cill if you can get your dog to howl with you, now that is good stuff!

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  210. * in other news, the “adopted” chicks and momma are doing fantastic. I let the rooster and three other hens out early this morning, to give momma some space. They all circled about then pen till late afternoon, when I let them all in. I sat inside the coop with them. Two of the five chicks were playing near momma. The rooster came up to me, calm for once, and proud. I stroked his feathers and complimented him on his new family. The other hens made coo noises. All seemed right w the world.

    So if you ever have a broody hen and wonder if you could slip some baby chicks under her at night and that actually work, one anecdotal case study says yes! 🙂

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  211. Sumo says:

    Cill,

    What the hell is “twisted sprung rope”? I am not familiar with this device, but it sounds nasty.

    Nasty is good. In a number of different contexts.

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  212. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I wouldn’t wish what happened to Penelope on anyone. Oddesseus gone to war for ten years and presumed lost for another ten. During those last ten years. “suitors” eating her out of house and home.
    It’s a good story nad not at all formulaic. Also, it ends well.

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  213. Cill says:

    Me howl with Dog? Only time I’ve heard him try was when I blasted a fog horn. He sat on his haunches and closed his eyes, lifted his head and pursed his lips. The sound that came out was like a bullfrog with a with a pitchfork up its arse. He and I could produce a discord I guess, for a pack of two.

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  214. Cill says:

    “twisted sprung rope”
    The principle the Romans used for their missiles. Same purpose as a metal spring. They could hurl spears at 240 k.p.h. (150 m.p.h.)

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  215. Sumo says:

    So…it’s like a crossbow or ballista? I was thinking flexible weapon, like a bullwhip. Or maybe a sjambok.

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  216. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I guess Dog is not one for talking. Years ago, my father, brother, and I were in the backyard when an ambulance drove by with full siren going. Our malamute, Oscar, started crying and we all joined in. It went on for a while. Lots of fun.

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  217. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Malamutes are an Alaskan breed. Here’s a good example.

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  218. Cill says:

    Sumo not like a crossbow. Think of ropes twisted into stored energy. When released they untwist to hurl missiles. I used them to fling grapeshot and lash out like whips from underground slots at ass level. I trialled it on myself at 25% capacity and it stung like you wouldn’t believe. I beat that gang with my first level of defense, which was the ropes, and flame to confuse. The ropes were so fast they thought the pain was coming from the flame and missiles in the smoke. If they come again they’ll be equipped to fight flame, not ropes. I had 2 more levels of defense which I didn’t need to use.

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  219. Sumo says:

    I’m still not able to envision the mechanism for this device, but I can imagine the pain it might cause; I’ve cracked myself with bullwhips more than once. Nearly took out my eye on one occasion, and that was while wearing safety glasses.

    It’s unfortunate that there’s no way to determine if or when they might return. I’m thinking if you got Ton and myself down there to back you up, the three of us would make for some epic war songs.

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  220. Liz says:

    Whoa this thread has moved on. Malamutes are awesome dogs, Fuzzie! 🙂

    Panda bears and porn. That’s their special moment! Don’t ruin their special moment. 😛

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  221. SFC Ton says:

    Sumo, it’s a simple yet effective tension/torsion device where the enegry is stored by the rope being twisted up vs pulled back in a more traditional crossbow.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_siege_engines#Early_Roman_ballista

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  222. Cill says:

    Sumo, emphasis on the “If” they (the gang) come again. I don’t think they will.

    I did a lot of research on the bad old crime boss who presides over the gang. I discovered he has a passion for Pink Maomao, a beautiful eating fish rarely caught by line-fisherman. I’ve never seen it for sale, in fact. The best way to catch them is dive down beneath them so instead of going deeper they rise into the crevices where they can be caught.

    I had a hell of a job tracking down the bad old man in the city but eventually I found out where to find him. Finally I arranged to meet him. I gave him some Pink Maomao straight out of the sea the same day. I also gave him a seafood delicacy marinated by my grandmother. That impressed him. These top crims often consider it an asset to have some clean “friends”. I made sure he sees me as a CLEAN asset. We shook hands on his respecting my property and staying away from my place and the young men I help.

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  223. Cill says:

    .. and I told him I’d bring him more Pink Maomao from time to time, plus more of my granny’s seafood delicacy. As a result I’ve met him a couple more times. The bad old buggar is a bit of a charmer when he wants to be.

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  224. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    The bad old buggar is a bit of a charmer when he wants to be.

    Even bootleggers can be charming. 😉

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  225. jf13 says:

    re: “Also don’t see where Liz and JF actually disagree. It’s more about the margins and degrees”

    It’s also about whether NAWALT is actually relevant.

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  226. jf13 says:

    re: “It’s one thing to feel some sparks of attraction–as seen in the brain scans that JF13 mentioned–but to actually choose such a man over a guy who has integrity, confidence and kindness is smthg I can’t fathom”

    Right, but to actually choose a man to whom she isn’t attracted leads a woman to treat that nice man badly, UNLESS she’s rational and realizes she ought to treat him properly despite not being attracted. “Why should I follow what he says? It’s not like I have anything to fear, and he’s not being all insistent.”

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  227. jf13 says:

    re: women’s preferences

    If women actually preferred nice men, then women would treat nice men more like those men want, but women treat nice men worse than women treat violent criminals.

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  228. jf13 says:

    re: disagreements

    It is a fact that being a man being bad/evil/dark triad/jerk/hurtful/selfcentered/mean (hey, just trying to avoid confusions here) towards a woman will be far more effective in getting her to treat him right (the way he gets to define it) than him being nice to her. Betas, aka they who must service females, may be defined as men who believe being nice will work (we all agree that it *ought* to work).

    Fuzzie asks, in light of the fact in this comment, “What should betas do?” and concludes in favor of
    Option #1: MGTOW.

    PUAs may be defined as those who advise
    Option #2: Men should be more bad towards women.

    Option 2 has the plus that it will work, for any individual man in the short term. It has the downside of being a moral contradiction “should be bad”, and making things worse for everyone in the long run.

    I suggest
    Option #3: Change women’s sociosexuality so that they actually treat nice men better.
    And then all we have left to do is discuss what tactics are allowed (brainwashing, forced chemicals, etc).

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  229. Tarnished says:

    “…women treat nice men worse than women treat violent criminals.”

    Except when they don’t. 😛

    Other than Spawny and Cill (and perhaps Fuzzie) most here consider me a woman, so I’ll chime in given that fact. I have a nice guy as a lover. I have nice guys as longtime friends. I have nice guys as customers and acquaintances. And, despite him being a traditionalist when it comes to his relationships, I’d count my younger brother as a nice guy as well.

    I’m not mean to any of them, I don’t treat them like dirt, I help them move or study or pay for our dinners out if they can’t afford it or watch their pets when they are on vacation. Because we’re, y’know, friends and acquaintances. It’s kinda what you do.

    I know various jerks too, ones who I don’t like because they are not nice to me and ones I don’t like because they are cruel to other people. Even them, I simply ignore or deal with till they leave. There’s very few times I’ve actually had to treat someone “like a criminal”, and it’s usually because they are getting in my personal space or just being disrespectful.

    Now, if you want to explain this away and say “But Tarnished, you don’t fit NAWALT because you don’t think like a regular woman” then that’s fine by me…so long as you remember that for future conversations.
    However, you’ll still have to deal with Liz and Bloom, since they ARE 100% woman and claim the same thing. 😉

    Honestly, this discrepancy probably goes back to our Slut conversation of weeks ago. It’s a question of the mode or mean vs the outliers of the range.

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  230. Tarnished says:

    Your option #3 is even more morally dubious than option #2.
    MGTOW all the way.

    (Unless of course one of the choices for #3 was something like having ethics classes in all schools. That I could get behind, as it is obvious that many parents aren’t doing so good with teaching their kids to not be sucky people. But chemicals? Brainwashing? Or, as suggested in other forums, eugenics that will make women more likely to be stupid? Yeah…that’s not moral. One doesn’t fight immoral attitudes with more immoral actions.)

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  231. Yoda says:

    Except when they don’t.

    More rare than it used to be this is.
    A product of affluence this would be.

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  232. Yoda says:

    Another Jedi at the offices being frivoced he is.
    Offered to share my humble abode I did.

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  233. Yoda says:

    One doesn’t fight immoral attitudes with more immoral actions.

    SJW’s stock and trade this is.

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  234. jf13 says:

    @Tarnished, re: making women think more like men.

    Interestingly, a large jolt of testosterone in the womb changes baby’s girls’ brainz to be much more boylike regardless of their genetics, and regardless of their sexual preferences.

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  235. jf13 says:

    re: tactics in morality

    In a fight against a big bull bad guy, it actually moral for the hero to tie one hand behind his back in order to make his fight more heroic? When the bad guy pulls out a sword, is it not moral for the hero to pull out a pistol?

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  236. Yoda says:

    “But Tarnished, you don’t fit NAWALT because you don’t think like a regular woman”

    Given this is.
    A unicorn she would be

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  237. jf13 says:

    Is there a woman alive who is above criticizing the *way* a hero achieves victory?

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  238. Yoda says:

    When the bad guy pulls out a sword, is it not moral for the hero to pull out a pistol?

    Han Solo did this, did he not?
    After 900 years, memory not so good it is.

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  239. jf13 says:

    Theshadowedknight comments at Donal’s: “Being gentle never won me a battle, nor the heart of a fair maiden, so I am a rough man, instead.”

    And all the women say, “But maybe he means rough in a good way” to which TSK defines “I do not hit women to feel like a big man; I am already a big man. I hit women to keep them in line.” And all the women say “But maybe NAWALT”.

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  240. jf13 says:

    Sumo mentions of his badness “occasionally it slipped out while interacting with the wimminfolk, but oddly only with those whom I was not interested in.” This rational projection is why men believe that women would treat nice men better.

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  241. jf13 says:

    One tactic for Option 3: round up all the bad boys, lock them up, and don’t let any women near them ever.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313882/Tavon-White-Murderer-fathered-FIVE-children-FOUR-guards.html

    Another tactic: round up all the women, and don’t let them choose bad boys.

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  242. Tarnished says:

    “Interestingly, a large jolt of testosterone in the womb changes baby’s girls’ brainz to be much more boylike regardless of their genetics, and regardless of their sexual preferences.”

    Lol. No shit, right? After all the times I said I was pretty confident this explains me…

    But seriously, you don’t think that the reason we have so many NAWALTs here is because any female who deliberately hangs around the manosphere for any longer than a week actually agrees with most of what is being said? Liz says her husband is not a jerk, and I don’t really have any reason to disbelieve her given her various stories about him. Likewise, I believed Molly when she said she didn’t like the pseudo-alphas who kept approaching her. And, I believe that women like Bloom are doing their best to learn the “secrets” of the manosphere so as to create better relationships.

    The mean/average of women who go after jerks + treat nice men like shit probably aren’t here…or if they are, they’re lurking and not saying anything. You are literally preaching to the choir, except that you’re also doubting they *are* the choir.

    This is why Molly left, and why Liz gets frustrated…They are the outliers of the range of women, not the mean. Perhaps it would be better to ask them what women they know/hang out with are like, and try to glean ways to bring up misandry in conversation with non-Red Pill women?

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  243. theasdgamer says:

    @ jf13

    If a bear…in the woods…does anyone care?

    If a man acts like a jerk, but a woman perceives it as nice, where is the problem? The jerkiness strangely enough only shows up in a woman’s perception after she has been dumped.

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  244. jf13 says:

    re: “women who go after jerks + treat nice men like shit probably aren’t here”

    Ok, so does it remind you of some *other* women when I say that in my experience women will say “Ok, so I treat the bad boy better, but inside I’m secretly not wanting to, and the reason I treat the nice guy worse is because I know I can be the “real me” with him. In other words, the fact that I treat him worse *proves* that I like him better.”

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  245. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    However, you’ll still have to deal with Liz and Bloom, since they ARE 100% woman and claim the same thing.

    Bloom claims to not like jerks, but her actions prove otherwise. More evidence that men should believe what women do, not what women say.

    As regards you and Liz, the jury is still out.

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  246. Tarnished says:

    “I hit women to keep them in line.”

    …and they stay with him? Wtf? 😨

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  247. jf13 says:

    @tasdg, re: 50 shades of jerkiness

    I am happy to give this apt translation of a woman saying “You don’t have to be such a jerk!”:
    “I wish that a little bit of jerkiness went a long way. I like to think of myself that a little Goldilocks bit of jerkiness worked on me as well as a lot of jerkiness actually does.”

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  248. Tarnished says:

    “The jerkiness strangely enough only shows up in a woman’s perception after she has been dumped.”

    Or just by seeing how he treats her and/or other people. In high school, I was considered a cute, shy nerd…I was asked out by a decent amount of boys who were jerks, either to me directly in prior years or to my friends. Not once did I accept their date offers, because…wait for it…they were rampaging assholes. No dumping required to know that dating someone who would/had treated you like crap is a bad idea.

    “Bloom claims to not like jerks, but her actions prove otherwise.”

    This is only partially true. Yes, the guy she was dating turned out to be no good for her. Yet if one goes back and reads her posts about him and how he acted in the early stages, he didn’t seem like one. Unfortunately, both men and women are capable of hiding their true selves and only letting negative behaviors slip once they are already in your life and more relaxed. I’m not saying that there weren’t any red flags in the beginning. However, our Bloom may not be as cynical or skeptical as some of us here…I find it quite possible that a certain behavior that would have alerted myself took longer for her to see.
    This doesn’t mean Bloom is attracted to jerks, just that the man she was most recently with was proficient at hiding his jerkiness under an alpha patina. It’s the same story from many men: They truly thought they were marrying a confidant, a partner, a lover…and yet later (sometimes right after the honeymoon) they found themselves wed to a manipulative bitch. Until we can learn to read minds, there will always be the threat of betrayal.

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  249. Tarnished says:

    “The jerkiness strangely enough only shows up in a woman’s perception after she has been dumped.”

    Or just by seeing how he treats her and/or other people. In high school, I was considered a cute, shy nerd…I was asked out by a decent amount of boys who were jerks, either to me directly in prior years or to my friends. Not once did I accept their date offers, because…wait for it…they were rampaging assholes. No dumping required to know that dating someone who would/had treated you like crap is a bad idea.

    “Bloom claims to not like jerks, but her actions prove otherwise.”

    This is only partially true. Yes, the guy she was dating turned out to be no good for her. Yet if one goes back and reads her posts about him and how he acted in the early stages, he didn’t seem like one. Unfortunately, both men and women are capable of hiding their true selves and only letting negative behaviors slip once they are already in your life and more relaxed. I’m not saying that there weren’t any red flags in the beginning. However, our Bloom may not be as cynical or skeptical as some of us here…I find it quite possible that a certain behavior that would have alerted myself took longer for her to see.
    This doesn’t mean Bloom is attracted to jerks, just that the man she was most recently with was proficient at hiding his jerkiness under an alpha patina. It’s the same story from many men: They truly thought they were marrying a confidant, a partner, a lover…and yet later (sometimes right after the honeymoon) they found themselves wed to a manipulative bitch. Until we can learn to read minds, there will always be the threat of betrayal.

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  250. Cill says:

    If someone told me what she thinks, I’d think very carefully before I said “no you don’t think that”. I’d be calling her the worst kind of liar – someone who’s so out of touch with herself that she doesn’t know her own thoughts and is lying to herself when she tries to express them. Every expression is in and of itself suspect.

    IRL I’d not do that except to a mental nut case… No I wouldn’t do it even then, because a comment from me or anyone else would be meaningless to such a sick person. A comment from me to her would achieve nothing. Instead of a comment she needs a mental hospital with padded walls. That’s what I’d be telling her if I said “no you don’t think that”. It’s the ultimate insult.

    I reserve the ultimate insult for cases that really do deserve it and where my delivering it will achieve something of benefit to myself. No possible benefit can come from a conversation with a compulsive pathological liar. And if I make the mistake of telling her I know what she’s thinking better than she does, I shouldn’t expect her to continue talking to me. I’ve left no room for our comments to have any value for each other, right?

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  251. theasdgamer says:

    On the subject of charm, was with my kin this last weekend and they are a charming lot. One of my women cousins is perhaps the nicest person alive. Always very thoughtful, considerate, compassionate, etc. Never any of the southern passive-aggressive niceness that southern women are famous for. She civilizes the rest of us in the best way.

    Rambling on about this past weekend–got to go on a boat ride on the lake and also to ride a horse along a trail. Showed myself up as a tenderfoot for failing to check my saddle before I mounted. At least I realized that I was being chided by the trail hand. And I was also able to control my horse and sit properly. And I didn’t need help mounting or dismounting. The hands provided a step stool for mounting, but it really was in the way.

    I controlled the horse enough to keep it from bruising my legs on the trees. Some other riders got bruised.

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  252. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    someone who’s so out of touch with herself that she doesn’t know her own thoughts and is lying to herself when she tries to express them.

    Or maybe she can’t admit the truth about herself. What I have been saying isn’t considered even slightly controversial among those who have been observing the disconnect between what women say and what they do. Have you read much of Rollo’s writings?

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  253. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    When women say that they don’t like jerks, they mean they don’t like men who carefully observe women and then talk about their observations that show women in an unfavorable light. That would be me here talking about what I see. What I have been doing is necessary for Blue Pill men so that they can swallow the Red Pill.

    Women also say that they don’t like jerks after they’ve just been dumped by someone who they thought was nice up until the women were dumped.

    Again, the purpose of all of this is to help Blue Pill men to swallow the Red Pill. The purpose is not to dump on women in general or on any particular woman.

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  254. theasdgamer says:

    Of course, when I go to clubs, I don’t get analytical or talk generally about women’s failings or choices (I repeat myself). In clubs, it’s necessary to be engaging and playful.

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  255. Cill says:

    “the purpose of all of this is to help Blue Pill men to swallow the Red Pill. The purpose is not to dump on women in general or on any particular woman.”
    Yeah I appreciate that.

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  256. jf13 says:

    Remember, it is now considered to be the height of misogyny to claim that women *ought* to be more attracted to a guy when he is nice than when he is bad.

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  257. theasdgamer says:

    Bad Boy drinks his own piss:

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  258. Tarnished says:

    “What I have been saying isn’t considered even slightly controversial among those who have been observing the disconnect between what women say and what they do.”

    And if there is no disconnect? Then what?

    Hypothetical here:
    Say I went on a date with either you or jf13. I paid for my half of the meal and whatever entertainment, or for the whole thing. I was pleasant, and nice, and (though we’d likely disagree about certain topics) didn’t argue in such a way as to put your thoughts and feelings down. In other words, was just a good person who happens to be female.

    Would you accept me for what I say and do during that date? Or would you read into my every word and action, trying to stay 2 steps ahead and figure out my angle? Is it possible that you project what isn’t there onto me, and just assume I’m a good actor whilst waiting for my supposedly “true” colors to reveal themselves? If I don’t earn your trust on date #1, would I have it on date #20? #40? Five years from now? 30 years from now? Never?

    This is why I support MGTOW above all else. Men shouldn’t be forced into situations or relationships where they must expect X, do Y or Z, then follow up with Q or B depending on D. Living life with someone who has that much more legal power over yourself just seems like a lifetime of waiting for the next shoe to drop every day of your existence. In which case, I’ll once again agree with Spawny, and say it’s better to be alone that with a flaming sword hanging over one’s head. Very few people deserve such a fate, and it’s a sad thing that it’s all but typical nowadays.

    I’m off to work now though, so see everyone later.

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  259. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    Not gonna bite on your attempt to reframe with a hypothetical.

    And if there is no disconnect?

    And what if water isn’t wet?

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  260. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    As regards Liz’s past history, I’d say that her 1st lover qualifies as a jerk for passing himself off as hetero. We’ve only heard about Mike from Liz. Based on her reports, Mike sounds like a helluva guy, but maybe Liz is cherry picking a tad. Maybe Mike has a bit of jerkiness in him that Liz hamsters over. Anyway, Liz happily admits that playful jerkiness is far preferable to being boring. So Liz says that she likes jerks to some extent. So Liz’s claims are perhaps not as supportive of your position as you think.

    You have yet to address Bloom’s claims v. her history. Since you have not, I consider Bloom’s evidence as supporting my position.

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  261. jf13 says:

    re: hypothetical + “project what isn’t there”

    If I were on a date with a woman who was being being pleasant and nice to me, without being a bro to me, I’d assume she was communicating her being attracted and wanting more.

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  262. Cill says:

    I don’t see how Tarn could have put it better than that.

    Meantime I have a plan. I’m going to put it to my great grandmother, who’s been married for 76 years to a non-jerk. “Come on Great Gran, admit it! You really like jerks better than Great Pop!”

    I’ll report back here after I’ve done that. She’s a humorous old soul.

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  263. @ gamer if a guy acted like a jerk right up front, to me or to others, no I would not date him.

    My ex was very nice to me and others when we met. I asked others who knew him and vouched he was nice. That he turned out to be a jerk reduced his appeal, it did not increase it.

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  264. Do other women like and date jerks? Yes, I see it all the time. Should women like jerks? I don’t think so and I don’t get why they do.

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  265. Liz says:

    Per: Bad boy drinks own piss. OMG that is SO HOT! lol. 😛

    Internet people: no, drinking piss is NOT good for you…though I am reminded of my dad, RIP, who was actually into piss therapy at one point back when it was considered unusual….bwahaha! 🙂

    Everything I have stated about my husband is true. He is not a jerk. I am routinely told, when meeting new people at the base (guys and girls), that he is the coolest, nicest, most down to earth pilot they have ever met. He is very very good at social intelligence. The best I’ve ever seen with the exception of his father and his father is drawn to manic depression tendencies so I have very rarely seen the good side of him. It is, however, highly impressive when it comes out.
    Per cherry-picking…well, I’m not going to complain unless there’s a reason (humorous anecdote, for example). Complaining about one’s spouse who is wonderful in basically all respects (exception the way he marks up the potty, every day without fail….particularly when he smells toilet bowl cleaner that really seems to loosen him up) is disloyal.

    And I am fiercely loyal, like a good Maltease (get it? like mal-tease…I’m a bad tease…nyuck, nyuck, nyuck). Okay, on to mop the floor now….

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  266. Cill says:

    Most disagreements turn out to be about definitions rather than facts. By jerk we mean someone who is deliberately unpleasant or disagreeable?

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  267. Liz says:

    “Most disagreements turn out to be about definitions rather than facts.”

    Agreed. There’s a semantical problem and I’ve never understood Jf13’s definition of jerk. Which seems to be along the lines of: If women like the guy, he must be a jerk!

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  268. Tarnished says:

    “By jerks we mean someone who is deliberately unpleasant or disagreeable?”

    Yes.
    Could add in:
    -Egotistical

    -Solipsistic

    -Cocky to the point of being obnoxious

    -Knows what manners are, but refuses to use them (interrupts conversations, points out failings of others, gives backhanded compliments, steals ideas, is mildly racist/sexist, talks about themselves constantly)

    -Generally the type of person you want to get away from as soon as you spend more than 5 minutes together

    Men = Jerks
    Women = Bitches
    Same type of personality, different descriptors

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  269. Sumo says:

    Which seems to be along the lines of: If women like the guy, he must be a jerk!

    Jealousy, that resembles.

    Present, Master Yoda is not.

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  270. Tarnished says:

    “And if there is no disconnect?

    And what if water isn’t wet?”

    Does this mean you don’t believe that anyone can actually articulate what they are thinking or feeling to another person?

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  271. Cill says:

    Sumo + Yodish = baaad Yodish on the rocks

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  272. Cill says:

    WAA-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
    (echo)
    WAA-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
    (echo)
    (fade)

    (excuse me folks, that’s me warming up for my howling session with Dog tonight. All resume your normal jerkiness pleasantries please)

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  273. jf13 says:

    re: “By jerks we mean someone who is deliberately unpleasant or disagreeable?”

    Yes, that would be the normal definition. As a straw man, though, it doesn’t fly.

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  274. jf13 says:

    “I mean, if we define jerkiness as being unlikable, then it simply stands to reason that women wouldn’t like them” is a straw man.

    The fact is that women are found to empirically be* attracted* to, and to treat *better*, dark triad men with enormous social diseases. Women find niceness to be feminine, and orniness to be masculine. It’s not my fault.

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  275. @ fuzzie I realize I failed to answer your question what would happen if I visited and rubbed your ears and you became amorous? Well I think that would be the outcome I was looking for and other displays of amourness would hopefully follow! I think that’s how it works. Or how I understand it works. Or you could be a jerk because you feel amorous and you heard girls like jerks abd then I could be a bitch because I read a book that says that’s what guys like and then we could fight, get all dark triad on each other. But the first scnerio sounds more fun to me! 🙂

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  276. Cill says:

    FWIW I just edited the post so it has the correct video under
    “Entertaining and murderous:”

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  277. @ cill oh dear, I have started something with this howling bit! Actually it feels good, doesn’t it? Another primal thing I find oddly soothing is sitting around a fire. Watching a fire is in redibly relaxing for me. I think it harkened way way back to times when if you had a fire, life was going good! All was well.

    Maybe I should watch that movie, gosh I can’t remember the title, about the cave people, I think Darryl Hannah was in it? And they learned to make fire? Hummm… I will find it…

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  278. Liz says:

    It’s truly a wonder so relatively few women have social diseases if that’s what gets us going. Donna Shalala should be right, and the population of the earth should have a lot more HIV positive people (and warty people, and so forth).

    Here’s a thought. Maybe the real world doesn’t work exactly like a the world in a lab. Just as the real combat world doesn’t work like things do when people are just “playing” combat at Red Flag, for instance (or on their video screen beatin’ up them thar zombies). There’s a word for this in the USAF, they call it “fighting the Nellis war”. 100 percent of video players note excitement and enthusiasm when zombies pop into the room! This clearly means that people are excited and enthused by dead walking people within a small percent margin of error!

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  279. Sumo says:

    Clan of the Cave Bear, Bloomer.

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  280. @ fuzzie if the sjw’s had their way the ear rubbing may go like this:

    Do I have consent to rub your ears, bear?

    Yes, I think I am ok with that.

    Ok please sign this paper then we will video record your permission.

    Ok

    Ok, I am going to touch your ears now, if you at any time feel uncomfortable I promise to stop

    (Ear rubbing, amorous feelings)

    Well, I would like to continue but I don’t have any more consent forms. Want to play some video games that don’t promote sex or violence and were created by a team with equal numbers of men and women? Yeah, me either. Well, guess I will be going then…but first can you sign this form that states you won’t later change the story about your giving consent? Ok thanks! Bye!

    What a sad time to be a young person! 😦

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  281. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Not quite Han Solo but close.

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  282. Cill says:

    Liz I do believe humans create realities in their minds. Some do it for themselves using empirical evidence as best they can. I respect them. Others allow others to do it for them e.g. the followers of feminism have their “reality” of the patriarchy. I despise them.

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  283. We should have a party and all meet up in person! Gamer could give dance lessons, ton could bring the booze, sumo could provide the food….fuzzie, farm boy, jf13 (or jf12) and alana would be there, Liz could bring Mike and Tarn could bring the fwb! I could bring cookies! Maybe we could get Deti and rollo and yohami and star child and Emily and bv and bastiat and the rest to join us too! 🙂

    I think it would be fun!

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  284. Tarnished says:

    Bloom,

    That idea is either the recipe for a great party…or a bloodbath. 😈

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  285. jf13 says:

    Clan of the Cave Bear was the first of a series of caveromance women masturbation stories, in which the girl was bored from the sexually clumsy (and, coincidentally, unattractive) Neanderthal jerks, and was also bored from her nice guy (but handsome) Cromagnon boyfriend’s attempts to be gentle. She wanted to be taken strongly by the Cromagnon as if *he* were a Neanderthal, and she wanted to be treated nicely by ljbf’d Neanderthals.

    I wish I were kidding.

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  286. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    I think zookeepers in China are taking extreme measures to breed panda. How else could this have happeneed”

    Here’s something else to show that pandas do respond toi visual stimulus.

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  287. Tarnished says:

    My love wouldn’t come anyway…he’s, er, not really fond of the fact I talk about such things.

    Not in a “I don’t want you to talk to people about relationships and sexism” way. More of a “Why the heck do you talk to people who think you’re a liar or that all women are manipulative?” way.

    He absolutely understands that society is basically anti-cis, hetero, white, middle-aged men…but he definitely thinks NAWALT, that women get the short end of the stick at times too, and that if society was sex/gender blind everything would be much better. He is like me but “worse”.

    And has said previously he has no desire to meet online people in real life. :/
    But I’d be up for it! 😀
    I’ll bring toys for the Bloomettes, and yummy foodstuffs for all! 🍔🍗🍕🍟🍭🍰🍦🍎🌽🍉🍐🍊🍞🍮

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  288. jf13 says:

    So, let’s answer the question “What should betas do?”, in light of the fact the empirically it works for him to treat women worse, but he doesn’t want to.
    1. All women would like to say “just find a nice girl who actually DOES prefer nice guys. There must be one somewhere, besides me.” This answer doesn’t help the beta find such a unicorn, even it were true. In fact, the *more* he advertizes himself as willing to do anything to find a girl who likes being treated nicely, the *worse* women will misuse him.
    2. MGTOW. I came here hoping to find some chink in the MGTOW logic, but it’s seems more inexorable the more I look at it.
    3. Be more bad. Be more like you don’t want to be.
    4. “You’re not being nice *enough*, moron! The fact that you say you’ve tried being nice and it doesn’t work is proof that you already are bad, since that makes me feel bad!” say the sjws etc.

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  289. Tarnished says:

    I’ll just leave this here…

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  290. Liz says:

    Aw, that’s sad about the lonely panda Fuzzie. 😦

    JF13 is right (mostly) about Clan of the Cave Bear. Definitely chickporn. Think I was 15 when I read that. It was like watching a soap opera, caveman-style. Even a 15 year old couldn’t get through that third book.

    I have to disagree with some of Jf13’s description, though. The Neanderthal who banged her first was a true jerk, and violent, and criminal in every sense of the word. Weird how that didn’t do anything for her. Maybe she was looking for someone with a sexual disease.

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  291. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    Knows what manners are, but refuses to use them (interrupts conversations, points out failings of others, gives backhanded compliments, steals ideas, is mildly racist/sexist, talks about themselves constantly)

    Gammas, not jerkboy alphas. More feminine confusiosity.

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  292. theasdgamer says:

    Interrupting convos is especially an autistic trait. Social signals are slow to develop for us. What might seem as obvious as a neon sign at night to a non-autist might appear as a candle on a bright sunny day to an autistic person.

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  293. Tarnished says:

    How the frack is being able to read social cues and conversation openings, but saying “screw it” and determining they are beneath you a “gamma” trait? I’m not talking about legitimately awkward people (who make up a large part of my customers and are still excellent boys/men to be around). I’m talking about guys who know better but don’t care.

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  294. theasdgamer says:

    I was very jerky today. I texted, calling a woman a torturer of the elderly. Oh, wait, context. She’s a physical therapist. So I was playfully jerky–fun and engaging. “Hi XXXXX…still torturing the elderly?” She liked it. Texted back, “Pulling legs and all.” Hadn’t contacted her for a couple of weeks after a nice long evening of convo. Needed something to grab her attention. We went back and forth a few times over her lunch hour, then she had to go back to work with patients.

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  295. Cill says:

    “That idea is either the recipe for a great party…or a bloodbath”
    Note that Spawny and I are not there, so we’d be okay. Or maybe that’s why we weren’t invited…
    😀

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  296. jf13 says:

    The most-thumbed and wrinkled page in the Cave Bear series in the library was where the girl was spying (again) on her (coincidentally Adonis-looking) caveboyfriend choking his cavechicken and it dawns on her he’s not doing it to *deprive* her, he’s doing it because he *loves* her …

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  297. Tarnished says:

    Example:
    Conversation is going on between friends. Random dude comes up, waits till someone starts talking, then loudly speaks over them. The original speaker points out that they were talking, and don’t appreciate being interrupted.

    Autistic/socially awkward guy: “You’re right, sorry about that.” or “Ok, I’ll finish making my point quick, then wait my turn.”
    All is good, and conversation carries on with everyone happy/included.

    Jerkwad: Smiles in a cocky, arrogant way. Says “I know you were talking. I just didn’t care.” or ignores the speaker and says to rest of group “Wow, they really hog the spotlight, huh?”
    Group laughs uncomfortably or exchanges looks of WTF, then either moves away from Jerkwad McDoucheface or tries to act polite till he gets the hint to move the fuck along.

    Huge difference.

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  298. Liz says:

    It’s been a long long while since I read that book. Somehow I forgot that one. 😛

    Is choking the cave chicken a ‘jerk’ trait? Wait…jerk chicken! (slapping self, tries again…)

    *cough* Is choking…er roughing up the suspect a jerk/alpha trait?

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  299. Tarnished says:

    Cill,
    I think Bloom doesn’t want you to get shot. I mean, you are a Sasquatch, right? Spawny would just be overrun by American chicks clamoring for his Movie Star Good Looks…like the Beatles, but times 2000. 😉

    Asdgamer,
    See I wouldn’t even count that as being jerky, playful or not. That’s just having fun. There’s no jerkiness evident in your 9:25 comment whatsoever! 🙂

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  300. theasdgamer says:

    Tarn, thx for clarifying.

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  301. Tarnished says:

    Oh my goodness, Liz!
    I have been such a bad influence on you. I love it. 😈

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  302. theasdgamer says:

    Tarn, what if I was jerking the chicken or something at the time in a cave? (Just trying to include a certain someone in the convo.) Would it have been jerky then?

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  303. jf13 says:

    re: drinking urine

    The only beneficial “recycling” of urine is when the kidneys concentrate a particular compound of interest. Historically, the only major group to do so was the Norse berzerkers. They went to battle with sacks full of dried caps of fly agaric, and after drinking beer and carousing all day, they each had a bellyfull (yes, not just a few) of ‘shrooms about an hour before landing. After staggering off the boats, the highly-prized urine of the ones who weren’t puking was recycled, again and again on the hour (third time was supposed to be the charm), as they ran amok all evening.

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  304. Tarnished says:

    You’re very welcome, asdgamer. I miss social cues at times as well, and some minor body language…INTJs can be so used to just saying what they mean, we forget to read between the lines of what others say. Women tend to do this more, which is why it’s sometimes difficult to understand exactly what is going on.

    But yeah…just being awkward should never, ever be used to shame someone. It’s not their fault, and would be cruel to not simply give them a chance to correct themselves. That’s how guys lose self-esteem/confidence and begin to believe nobody will ever understand them.
    Then what? We have a bunch of guys who are depressed and are even less able to adequately communicate! Nope, nope, nope…

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  305. Liz says:

    “After staggering off the boats, the highly-prized urine of the ones who weren’t puking was recycled, again and again on the hour (third time was supposed to be the charm), as they ran amok all evening.”

    How in the hell did they discover THAT one, I have to wonder?

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  306. theasdgamer says:

    Bloom, I’ll need a backrub to get started. Dancing is hard work. Would have to be you or Tarn or Alana. (Somehow, I don’t trust Liz to put her hands anywhere near my body. Could be painful. I still have mental scars from being pinched in the 6th grade. heh.)

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  307. Tarnished says:

    Asdgamer,

    No. I very much approve of people embracing control of their pleasure and sexuality. 🙂 Masturbation and casual arousal are facts of life, and also shouldn’t be shamed.

    The only way it would’ve been jerkish is if you forced me to watch or participate. But if you’re just doing it…hey, have fun.

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  308. jf13 says:

    Ton almost posited that virtue is more virtuous when the guy has to consciously refrain from evil. Merely knowing how to be a bad boy (as, indeed, I know) is not sufficient for this whiter-than-white virtue; he would also have to have the *inclination* to be bad, but still be able to overcome his own inclinations, presumably because of love for some one particular girl he wants to be nice to, as opposed to all the other girls he could so easily have his way with by remaining bad.

    It’s chick fantasy stuff.

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  309. Tarnished says:

    Sorry, still typically uncomfortable with most touch. However, I’d be cool doing this for someone:

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  310. jf13 says:

    re: discovery

    Odor (and trial and error)

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  311. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    Does this mean you don’t believe that anyone can actually articulate what they are thinking or feeling to another person?

    I think that women can articulate what they are feeling, but the rationale for their feeling might be obscure by the shadow of a Hamster of Unusual Size. BWAHAHAHAHA

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  312. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    The only way it would’ve been jerkish is if you forced me to watch or participate.

    Not forced. More like, “Let’s play Fed Ex driver.” Not UPS driver. UPS. (Oops.)

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  313. Liz says:

    Chick fantasy stuff, yes. The fantasy is in the desire to be desired (aka considered desirable) by said hawt guy. I think it’s true that virtue is more virtuous if the action is intentional. Which is more virtuous…a nubile young woman ignoring the advances of numerous suitors to stay true only to her husband or the octogenarian with no suitors who does the same thing?

    Changing the subject, it’s true about tolerance too. You aren’t tolerant if you aren’t tolerating something but accept it…that’s just agreement. This always strikes me as funny when certain left wing folks talk about their fine tolerance of others actions that they already accept and see nothing wrong with. Not arguing against acceptance…acceptance might be great, depending, but it ain’t the same thing as tolerance. And back to our regularly scheduled program…

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  314. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I just got caught up on the thread.
    I don’t tink consent forms would work. Paw prints for signatures won’t fly.
    Someone trusted rubbing my ears is a happy thought.
    having us all together in person wouldd be fun.

    Liz,
    I think it’s a girl bear who is sad because her mate got taken away. This may not have happened if pandas were better at mating.

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  315. Tarnished says:

    Okay, I kinda see what you’re doing here… (btw, it’s not jerkish). 😉

    *ahem* Sorry, Mr. FedEx driver. I only handle such large packages if they’re from Friends-with-Benefits R’ Us. I have a subscription already, you see… 😛

    Not quite a hamster, but still the world’s biggest rodent. I want. 💙

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  316. Yoda says:

    All women would like to say “just find a nice girl who actually DOES prefer nice guys.”

    Boring nice guys are.
    Big sin this is
    First World Problem this would be.

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  317. jf13 says:

    re: “Which is more virtuous”

    I’m the wrong person to ask, as I would only boringly reassert that it’s always the person to whom virtue is the stronger habit.

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  318. Liz says:

    “I’m the wrong person to ask, as I would only boringly reassert that it’s always the person to whom virtue is the stronger habit.”

    Since nothing can become a habit unless it is practiced, your answer would seem to be the same as mine.

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  319. Tarnished says:

    Liz,

    But doesn’t everyone want to be desired? When I read some of the incel forums, there is *always* a post on the front page about the simple need to be wanted, and how to live without it. It just breaks my heart to read those threads, but still is important to understand what incels/older virgins are going through. 💔

    I think I spoke about this before over at my place in January, but for the longest time my FwB didn’t ever initiate.
    Anything.
    He’d been “trained” over the years that women didn’t have libidos like men, and that it was better to not ask than to start something and be pushed away. Yet in having me do all the “work” I began to believe he didn’t want me…whereas he believed I automatically *knew* I was wanted. Indeed, he was constantly amazed to know he is so desired, and literally reveled in it.

    It seems that unless real, honest communication is going on, it is possible even for close friends/couples to misunderstand the needs of their partner.

    TLDR:
    Being desired may be a “chick fantasy”, but other evidence suggests that men experience it too.

    Okay, I’m gone again for a while. Don’t do anything Yoda wouldn’t do.

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  320. jf13 says:

    re: to the pure, all things are pure

    “If he’s content with a vegetable love which would certainly not suit me,
    Why, what a most particularly pure young man
    this pure young man must be!”

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  321. Liz says:

    “But doesn’t everyone want to be desired?”

    Of course!
    But (to contrast) it’s generally the girl’s fanatasy that the guy has to hold back and is tortured by the fact…for the man the fantasy is a bit different…that desire for him is so strong it overcomes her inhibitions and so forth.

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  322. jf13 says:

    re: “it was better to not ask than to start something and be pushed away”

    Unless I’m wrong, this is the MGTOW solution.

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  323. Liz says:

    No idea what that one meant, Jf13.

    Another analogy: If you’re the last man on earth and there’s no liquor and you like your liquor very much but have to abstain, you aren’t demonstrating virtue by refraining from drinking. Because you can’t have a drink anyway so you aren’t refraining at all.

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  324. theasdgamer says:

    jf13 (not to be confused with jf12) at 10:17 pm was more laconically boring than liz at 10:05

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  325. theasdgamer says:

    They must be handled…with care…in my truck

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  326. jf13 says:

    re: “But doesn’t everyone want to be desired?”

    Yes, and I’ll agree and amplify what Liz was saying. (Most) all women do not want the constant background level of desire from nonspecial men that they get assuredly (most) all the time; women want a *special* desire from a *special* guy, who is so special that he also doesn’t desire any other woman, but he behaves as if desired by other women.

    What makes getting that special guy so difficult for women is this: a man in love feels undesired by other women.

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  327. Yoda says:

    “But doesn’t everyone want to be desired?”

    Jedis learn to desire not.
    Many men similar they are.
    Becomes “new normal” it does.

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  328. jf13 says:

    re: vegetable love

    Is from Gilbert’s Aesthete, if not recognized.

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  329. Tarnished says:

    Jf13 @ 10:38

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  330. theasdgamer says:

    I hope that Liz sang the last refrain of the analogies song.

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  331. jf13 says:

    re: Buddhist fantasy

    Although the stated goal of Buddhism is to overcome one’s *having* desire, it is NOT an overt goal, as far as I know, to avoid *being* desired. Does anyone know if deliberate uglification is encouraged?

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  332. theasdgamer says:

    No idea what that one meant, Jf13.

    Preemptively rejecting rejection is MGTOWish.

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  333. Cill says:

    Tarn, Liz, jf, asd, I don’t have the foggiest notion what y’all talking about. 😐

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  334. Liz says:

    “a man in love feels undesired by other women.”

    You’ve got to be kidding me. This is simply wrong.

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  335. Tarnished says:

    That’s okay, Cill.
    You’re still doing better than Miss South Carolina:

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  336. Liz says:

    If anything it’s the opposite. A man who is in love feels more desirable than before. Unless he’s in love and the woman doesn’t reciprocate and friendzones him…then I’d agree with your statement above.

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  337. Yoda says:

    Does anyone know if deliberate uglification is encouraged?

    “Dworkin Doctrine” yes suggest it does.

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  338. jf13 says:

    re: kidding

    No, the big effect of oxytocin on a pair-bonded adult male is to fool him into thinking all other women don’t want him. This is the other hand of oneitis, the stick corresponding to the carrot of thinking the one woman must want him, which is why oneitis is so devastastingly powerful in men.

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  339. jf13 says:

    And yes, btw, I’m of the high-falutin opinion that any man who knows he is desirable
    a. cannot suffer from onetitis
    b. cannot be in love per se

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  340. jf13 says:

    re: the gift of love

    To reiterate. The original study “Oxytocin Modulates Social Distance between Males and Females” was followed up, and pair-bonded males report that oxytocin makes them feel that other women don’t want them near, so the males behave as *if* the females are repulsed, which behavior is exactly the behavior that indeed repulses females.

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  341. theasdgamer says:

    any man who know he is desirable cannot suffer from onetitis…is that after the male mastectomy?

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  342. jf13 says:

    One more time so women will really hate me. The men who report feeling undesired by women are the only ones who *can* fall in love.

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  343. Cill says:

    jf13, “any man who knows he is desirable
    a. cannot suffer from onetitis
    b. cannot be in love per se”

    We knew Spawny is not in love already.

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  344. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    A lot can be said about Roosh but, he is a very astute observer.
    On topic this is.

    http://www.rooshv.com/women-in-their-prime-prefer-sex-with-damaged-men

    Yoda,
    I am proud that you can take fellow Jedi in. It may be a long time beable to stand on his feet again, emotionally or financially.

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  345. Cill says:

    Spawny looks in the mirror and knows his heart is already taken.

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  346. Cill says:

    There Moe? Can you throw any light on the subject?

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  347. jf13 says:

    Naturally it’s a whole lot easier to fall in love for the 80% of men who literally aren’t undesired by women. It’s no giant leap from “no woman really wants me” to “all other women are repulsed by me”.

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  348. theasdgamer says:

    Cill, we’ve been playing threaded games and following them can be tough. I’ve been teasing liz about her being annoyed with me over the rapey-rape thingie but she’s being a bit stubborn about it and pretending like she’s still annoyed because she likes the attention and Tarn has been on “like” patrol for spawny and we’ve been playing word games. You have Fed Ex trucks that deliver packages in NZ, correct?

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  349. Liz says:

    Jf13: “One more time so women will really hate me.”

    I cannot be in hate with you per se.

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  350. Cill says:

    Fuzzy have mercy! “women in their prime prefer sex with damaged men”
    Yet another theory re women…

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  351. jf13 says:

    I’m presuming from Liz’s projection (and, admitted, a lot of other research and personal observations) “A man who is in love feels more desirable than before” that women are extremely far removed from understanding menz feewings. As I said, women want the opposite of reality, the literally impossible: a special guy-in-love who feels desirable to other women but doesn’t desire any other woman. There are no such men, and any guy-in-love feels undesirable to other women but never down-rates other women’s attractiveness.

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  352. Liz says:

    Watch it, Gamer. I have sharp puppy claws! (but I never pinch) 😉

    In addition to semantical differences with the word ‘jerk’ I’m now curious what ‘in love’ means. What does it mean jf13? I’m becoming annoyed enough to start using the passive voice. That’s right. The passive voice. That’s much worse than even my analogies.

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  353. theasdgamer says:

    So, I approached a woman in Panera, offering to sit and chat with her. I thought that all five women eating alone in the area and texting seemed pathetic. Cat-lady-ish. She half-heartedly repulsed my offer. If I had been in a more playful mood, I could have turned that around, but I really didn’t mind eating alone and I felt like I had been generous enough in offering my company.

    So, this followed up on the whole repulsive motif spun by jf13. Likely my offer wasn’t as warm as it might have been if I didn’t have some oxytocin in my system. My distance was probably a little more than it ought to have been.

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  354. Cill says:

    “Fed Ex trucks”
    Nope.
    Anyway don’t try to explain it asd, I’m too far gone.

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  355. jf13 says:

    “In love” for a man is experienced as oneitis, NOT bestitis. It is identical with limerance. Because it is so easy for men, and too often a trap for men, they aren’t intrigued by romance novels.

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  356. theasdgamer says:

    And you can bet that the woman who compulsively repulsed had buyer’s remorse over the repulsion…what if that guy was fun…did I make a mistake…it takes guts to make an approach…oh, no, did I really blow it…why do I do these things…am I gonna have my period…I better get back to texting…etc.

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  357. Cill says:

    Hey I know what I’ll do, I’ll spend some quality time with M!
    Why didn’t I think of that earlier?

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  358. Cill says:

    See? You’ve driven me into her arms. Too-da-loo!

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  359. Liz says:

    Bon idea, Cill! 🙂

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  360. Liz says:

    I’m presuming from Liz’s projection (and, admitted, a lot of other research and personal observations) “A man who is in love feels more desirable than before” that women are extremely far removed from understanding menz feewings.”

    I know my man pretty well, jf13.

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  361. jf13 says:

    Buddy Holly, the tall handsome dude who was finally making it big strictly on his talent, and NOT his chick-demagnet schtick, wrote and recorded “It’s So Easy (To Fall In Love)” mere months before asking Maria Elena to marry him during his first real date ever. Since then, a LOT of women have lyingly claimed they were secretly attracted to him even in high school.

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  362. jf13 says:

    @Liz,
    I wasn’t saying anything about your man’s feeling desired by you. I was presuming that women must feel extra-desirable in general when they think they’re feeling in love, which as I said is not how men CAN feel.

    I must admit that as a loving man I have felt entrapped by my brain biology to believe that a woman must love me in order to find me desirable. And I am truly sorry that the world does not work the way that it should.

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  363. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn and I do seem to have similar thoughts in most things, yes there’s a lot of likes between Tarn, Cill and me…so what? If we three didn’t get on, I wouldnt have started the blog. The blog span out of email conversations. I’m glad we did go public as some of the people here…I like.

    I’ve been known to like some of your comments too. Is it jealousy? I don’t dig jerks, baby. If that’s what you’re aiming for.

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  364. Spawny Get says:

    And goodnight

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  365. Liz says:

    Night Swithy! 🙂
    Hope you’re having an enjoyable evening/afternoon…er morning? With M, on that side of the pond.

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  366. Liz says:

    Oops..that last bit was intended for Cill. 🙂

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  367. Spawny Get says:

    Liz, were catching him up. I, the Patriarchy, gained summertime BST. The kiwis lost it. He’s living 11 hours ahead of Patriarchy central. He’s coming up on lunch, Tuesday.

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  368. Liz says:

    “@Liz,
    I wasn’t saying anything about your man’s feeling desired by you.”

    That’s true. You only said he was incapable of being in love with me.

    “I was presuming that women must feel extra-desirable in general when they think they’re feeling in love, which as I said is not how men CAN feel.”

    That hasn’t been my experience. Not in my own personal life, nor viewing couples who are in love. They are on top of the world, and happy, and they’re more attractive that way. And women (per the whole preselection bit) are often more attracted to those men for numerous reasons (they’re taken, they’re the opposite of needy, and so forth). My husband was a lot more desireable to women when we started dating, and has been so since we’ve been together. It was not that way (as much) before. He has to notice, it’s pretty obvious. And he’s a ‘loving man’ who does a lot of loving things…similar types of things that I do. I’ve already mentioned keeping that first phone number which should give you some idea.

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  369. Sorry I have been spring cleaning so have to catch up. Cill my apologies yes you are most indeed invited, spawny, Molly, m, everyone! My apologies for not making that more clear. But I am confused if you are Sasquatch, or if mo is?

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  370. Sumo says:

    If I’m in love with myself, does that mean that I’m gay or just conceited?

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  371. Liz says:

    “If I’m in love with myself, does that mean that I’m gay or just conceited?”

    Depends on where you ‘in love yourself’ and who’s watching. 😛

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  372. Liz says:

    Thinking further on the virtue issue (yes, that). A perfect example is the carousel rider versus devoted loyal non-former-carousel riding spouse.

    Former carousel rider: “I’m good! No longer sucking strange cock! I stopped when I turned 40…very virtuous.” Or not.

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  373. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I hope that you do find this after spending quality time with M. I linked Roosh’s post because he is perceptive of the market and has sefirst hand. I get the feeling that he has lost confidence in the virtue of American women on many levels.
    Hope that you are watching a movie with lots of horses.

    About a year ago, I read a comment on Christian blog about how bottleppen with singles in church groups. All the gals want the top o guys. Once these guys pair up, the rest of the singles are going toddling their thumbs.

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  374. […] FuzzieWuzzie on Times as a “Bad Boy” […]

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  375. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post.
    But not a new subject

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  376. SFC Ton says:

    Prime example of why one does not discuss the red pill with women; they want to go team girl and nawalt and “I’m not like that” verses dealing with how the overwhelming majority of women are. It really does a man zero fucking good to focus on the .0001% of women who aren’t like that( if any. I’m in there is no such critter school.of thought). The number of women who just might not be like that is to low, competition is high etc to make it a realistic expectation for men

    Most men are driven toward sex so saying go your own way is not helpful for the vast majority of men.

    Having a FWB counts for 0 fucks. Different dynamic then a relationship and for a woman, having a nice guy fuck buddy is about the easiest thing in the world for her to achieve. I mean you see landwhales with new borns

    A man trying to find a nice girl will search until Christ returns. Run some semi decent game with some serious indifference and occasional dread and you’ll turn her into a “nice girl”. Asking a man to find a “nice girl” is like telling him to win the lottery.

    The ladies here can say what they want but jerks get laid; nice guys stay home and go blind.

    Men tend to like men who are “jerks” because….
    #1 you know where he stands
    #2 he has what it take to get away with being a “jerk”
    #3 said “jerk” smashes more ass then nice guys.

    One think women will never understand is what it takes for a man to pull ass. As a rule, men tend to respect guy’s who can because .most men cannot.

    Fact is, better a man treats a woman, the worse she behave towards said man. Ok MAYBE Tarn, Liz and Bloom.are the expectation to the rule but for the other couple billion chicks out there…. treat them mean to keep them keen.

    Now when a man tells me what he thinks I normally assume he is on the level

    When a woman tells me.what she thinks… she is normally talking about right then and there and in that instant which has no bearing on what she thought yesterday or will think in the next 30 seconds. So remembering what she said on a topic is of little importance.

    In love means nothing.

    I.cannot recall every wanting to be desired…. which is probably a large reason why chicks dig me. If what the ladies here said where true about men and what kind of men women want, I’d childless.

    Being nice etc to a woman now costs me $1200 a month for life. Fuck being nice.

    Fellas, just say no to nice.

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  377. SFC Ton says:

    Roosh my be a keen observer but I don’t think what he writes is relevant. Lots of dudes have no problems pulling ass in the places be says are tough

    I have the feeling his problem is he is flat out unattractive to White chicks.

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  378. theasdgamer says:

    @ Spawny

    I don’t dig jerks, baby. If that’s what you’re aiming for.

    🙂 Well you’re a guy, sooo….

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  379. theasdgamer says:

    Bonne nuit, Swithy, mon ami.

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  380. theasdgamer says:

    I tested jf13’s women groom alphas hypothesis. I saw this very pretty flight attendant in dance class getting her neck massaged by a guy who is beta. So, after dancing with her, I asked her to massage my neck during class and she did. I beamed. Great fun!

    Wouldn’t have thought of it withoutcha, jf13.

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  381. Roosh does have some good insight but it’s good to keep in mind that he’s interacting with a certain subset of women: girls in bars who will go home with him that night. That might make one jaded about women I would think. Just sayin’

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  382. @ ton I am not saying I am NLT. But oodly if a guy acts like a jerk I steer clear, it’s the ones who act nice I fall for. Who knows!

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  383. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I’ll bet Roosh spends more time in coffee bars than those that serve alcohol. To add to that, he does have his forum for second hand experience.
    Also, as men, we have been dealing with frustration and foolishness swere in high school.

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  384. @ fuzzie true, I don’t mean to be contrary. I actually like roosh and read him regular. I kinda wis he’d settled down w Anna but maybe yet…he seems unhappy to me somehow.

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  385. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I don’t think it’s player burnout that is getting to him. While he is a deteriorating marketplace, he is steadfastly living alone. I donat very satisfying.
    There is another consideration. We have to be careful not to take turg the opposite sex. However, a lot of these threads have been peeling away old scabs. It hurts.

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  386. Liz says:

    Mike is reading a book called persuasion. There are all kinds of interesting examples of how persuasion works in different scenarios. Most sales agencies have this down to a science to maximize profit.

    One of the examples was a guy who made a lot of money buying cars at the low end of their book value, and selling them on the high end. When he made appointments to look at the car, he would make schedule all the people at the same time. When people saw the level of interest, they were more likely to buy the car. They wanted the car most of all if they thought it was already taken. It reminded me of the ‘open house’ bidding wars on properties first hand in Las Vegas back when the prices were double what they are now. I learned a lot by observation. I think it works in a similar fashion if the car is a ‘person’. For the person not to see that more folks are interested, he’d have to be either highly unobservant or relatively dopey.

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  387. theasdgamer says:

    I’m becoming annoyed enough to start using the passive voice.

    I’m not feeling ze love anymore. Ven did you start feeling zese feelings of aggrezzive passivity? And I’m sensing zat zey relate to your zublimated puberticious feelings for your father. I’m guessing (purely hypothetically, mein liebchen) zat you also had a zecret crush on a female teacher in your junior high school.

    The Channeled Sigmund

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  388. Liz says:

    Likeability, trust, respect.

    If a person has all three of the above, they’re the most likely to be successful. Humans are social animals so if most people instinctively don’t like you, you will probably have a hard time.
    To be successful, a man has to go from right to left. For people to trust and like him, they have to respect him. A man can be respected even if he isn’t very likeable or trustworthy. Some women will like him. If he is respected AND trusted, he will most likely be liked. I think Cill (this being his topic) has all three of these things.

    I think for women it’s more left to right. If she’s both trustworthy and likable she is a rare bird, and people will respect her…they probably won’t respect her if they don’t like her (true even of Hillary, as unlikeable and untrustworthy as she obviously is, her adherents appear to find her likable).

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  389. theasdgamer says:

    @ Liz

    Depends on where you ‘in love yourself’ and who’s watching.

    Perv. I know what you were hinting at. lol

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  390. Liz says:

    Mistakes were made, Gamer. Mistakes were made….

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  391. theasdgamer says:

    Sumo, think Pay Per View. I’m keeping my window shades pulled low.

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  392. jf13 says:

    re: “Run some semi decent game with some serious indifference and occasional dread and you’ll turn her into a “nice girl”.”

    Have you noticed that Ton and I agree on details? Women are certainly capable of being nice to any man whom they feel they need to be nice to.

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  393. Tarnished says:

    “Women are certainly capable of being nice to any man whom they feel they need to be nice to.”

    Other than my customers and friends, there is nobody I *need* to be nice to in my daily life. It would go against my nature, but I could act like a cold, bitchy, uber-jerk.

    But what’s the point of that? Nothing. It would be a wretched way to live, and would be both cruel and wrong.

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  394. Liz says:

    +100 Tarn.

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  395. jf13 says:

    @tasdg, re: grooming and good touch

    I am, for reasons known only to God, possible the most highly touched man who isn’t some pagan idol or good luck charm. Everyone seems to want to shake my hand or pat me on the shoulder or hug my knee, depending on relative heights and postures. And by everyone I include women.

    In accord with church rules and societal anti-man rules, “It is good for a man not to touch a woman.” which in application means men aren’t supposed to initiate physical contact with an unrelated woman. But it’s considered rude/unchivalrous for a man not to respond to woman-initiated contact if allowed. This allowed contact is basically anything (hetero) men might do amongst themselves. Warm (and, especially, lingering) embraces are not good, for example, nor stroking.

    What is especially bad is exciting touch. In one of the many ouroborous happenings of my life, recently promulgated Good Touch sjw rules for working with children in educational settings appear to have been lifted verbatim from church rules I wrote for our national committee of youth leaders in the 1970s.

    Grooming gestures, with their scintillatingly pleasing associations of being taken care of, are the most especially forbidden, besides overtly sexual touch. “But I was just straightening her hair, slowly and sensually” and “but she was the one who said she wanted her thigh massaged” and “but I was stroking her lower back to cheer her up”; these are not Good Touch.

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  396. theasdgamer says:

    @ jf13

    So, a woman straightening a man’s collar is Bad Touch and so is a woman massaging a man’s neck publicly, amirite?

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  397. jf13 says:

    re: straightening things

    Yes, in general a strange woman doing intimate wifely touches is ultra risky. Even if she’s already in a position of doing such personal-seeming services as impersonally as possible in a business, she will have to work to keep it highly professional. And evidently (viz. the church and social prohibitions) it’s even *more* risky the other way: strange men doing personal servicing touches on women.

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  398. Liz says:

    Social touching is another one of those social convention/social intelligence things.
    Varies from culture to culture. Americans need far more personal space, less touchy-touch than most of the others.

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  399. theasdgamer says:

    @ jf13

    Let’s say that you’re at a dinner party with a couple who are close friends and the wife-friend straightens your collar. That seems quite ordinary to me. Sure, she’s showing concern and affection, but you all are close friends.

    Ok, I was at a dance lesson and the dance instructor was splainin’ to the group and everyone was standing around waiting in a big circle around the dance floor. That was when I requested the neck rub. It was a little out there, but I could get away with it because I’ve known most of the people for a year or so (social proof). Also, ditching my previous boy scout frame has freed up my options a lot for what I can do. It doesn’t mean that I make out with women at the dance lesson, which would get me kicked out/asked to take it elsewhere.

    Context matters.

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  400. Spawny Get says:

    most of the others”
    Most, yeah 🙂

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  401. Liz says:

    We Yanks are similar to you folk in that respect, I think. 🙂

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  402. Liz says:

    Also can’t vouch for the Middle East.
    All I know about them is, it isn’t gay if you’re the pitcher, and the men hold hands a lot.

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  403. Tarnished says:

    I think such casual/nonsexual touching should be allowed and generally accepted, so long as everyone involved is comfortable with it.

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  404. jf13 says:

    re: “It was a little out there, but I could get away with it”

    Yes, it is the power to “get away with it” that defines a bad boy as opposed to wannabe.

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  405. Cill says:

    “Not forced. More like, “Let’s play Fed Ex driver.” Not UPS driver. UPS. (Oops.)”

    This would be amusing if someone were to actually spend time attempting to decipher it (and I’m sure somebody would’ve done just that 😉 ).

    Get thee behind me, Clarity. Brilliance, thy name is Discombobulation.
    Discombobulation, thy name is Clique.

    XD

    lol

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  406. Spawny Get says:

    “We Yanks are similar to you folk in that respect, I think. :-)”
    One believes that the people of one’s nation are more reserved than other more exuberant peoples.

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  407. theasdgamer says:

    Yes, especially at football matches and in pubs.

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  408. theasdgamer says:

    @ jf13

    I shall experiment whether other women will give me a neck massage in class. Surely the flirty ones will.

    I expect that the stew wouldn’t object to cupping her cheek, either, flirty as she is. She’s at A3 on the PUA seduction chart.

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/a-test-of-your-game-update-t-ball-pickup/

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  409. Cill says:

    Fuzzy 7 April, 2015 at 2:38 am “I hope that you do find this after spending quality time with M”
    I’m not sure what you mean there, Fuzzy. Find what?

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  410. Choicy says:

    Gidday Farm Boy, Fuzzie, how are you going boys?
    Anyone else here I know?

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  411. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Choicy,
    Youu’re back!!!! We’re all on the newer threads.

    Cill,
    I think that I meant that it would be a while for you to return and that you might miss my comment.

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  412. Choicy says:

    Righto Fuzzie I’ll head to a nwer thread.

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