I Win, You Lose


A zero-sum game is when one participant in an endeavor gains what the other person in the endeavor loses.  There is only a finite amount of value to go around.   Many people are inclined to think of their activities in this manner.  This would be to their detriment.

But first, why are people inclined to think in this manner?  Perhaps it starts when one is a child.  Obvious situations such as “if he has this toy, then I do not” abound, and the lesson is learned.  Also, there are the the games that children play, boardgames and others, that teach this lesson.  When they get older, there are grievance mongers (feminist leaders, SJWs and others) in their face.  For these people to get and retain power, they need to get their message across easily, and with a maximum impact.  This normally is done through appeals to the easily understood zero-sum game.  And by engaging in this, they are doing society a great disservice.

For the world is not just one big zero-sum game as the grievance mongers imply.  There are win-win situations, where the overused word synergy applies.  That is, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.  Marriage is supposed to be a sterling example of this.  I will leave it as an exercise to the commenters to describe how this should work in marriage.  I will end by stating that in the modern day, far too often the participants in a marriage view it as zero-sum game, which in the end means that they both lose (with the man typically losing more).

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183 comments on “I Win, You Lose
  1. Farm Boy says:

    Perhaps we could start with the general idea of division of labor with specialization.

    For example, making sammiches

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  2. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I don’t think making sandwiches is a good example. It’s an act of kindness stemming from not letting your partner go hungry. AS Dalrock and others have pointed out on numerous occaisions, feminists are very miserly with affection. An act of kindness to men would be violently philosophically opposed.

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  3. Farm Boy says:

    I don’t think making sandwiches is a good example.

    I was being silly. That happens around here.

    Still, there is the opportunity to specialize. And when one specializes, then one has the opportunity to become skilled at the task.

    If one is forced to be a “jack of all trades”, then very possibly the work product suffers.

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  4. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    COTWA should have the last word on the Rolling Stone/UVa hoax.
    However, I don’t think Jessica Valenti will allow that.

    http://www.cotwa.info/2015/04/the-rolling-stone-debacle-doesnt-prove.html

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  5. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Specializing within gender roles would help. However, Sheryl Sandberg wants men to do all the “boy” things and then, help the little woman with “choreplay”.

    Maybe I should be a little worried about myself. The humor is getting beaten out of me. Feminists aren’t funny.

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  6. Farm Boy says:

    However, Sheryl Sandberg wants men to do all the “boy” things and then, help the little woman with “choreplay”.

    Sheryl Sandberg might be rich, but that is about all that she’s got.

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    The humor is getting beaten out of me. Feminists aren’t funny.

    But we are.

    Time for a bear video

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  8. Yoda says:

    Feminists aren’t funny.

    And happy they are not.
    Not even contented they would be.

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  9. I used to say this all the time in my marriage, “We’re already married, isn’t it just as easy to be happy as miserable? Easier?” But my ex was definitely a zero sum thinker, you are right win-win is so often right there but overlooked when couples fight “win or lose.”

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  10. SFC Ton says:

    LOL very little in life is win win

    I just had a good steak and some decent lobster. It was not win win for either the cow or lobster and odds are the restaurant made more money off me then I enjoyed the experience.

    There is always a winner and a loser. If you cannot figure out who is winning… you are playing the losing hand. That whole win win seems like liberal warm.fuzzy non logic to me

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  11. A pointless waste of energy and a real love killer, winning the battle and losing the war. In our culture dependance, even interdependence, is seen a losing, weakness. A real shame. It’s hard for most people to even fathom there’s something besides win-lose. I hope to find a win-win thinker, someone who is willing to work thru the tough stuff, get back to the love ASAP.

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  12. I know rainbows puppies and unicorns! (Throws glitter and flowers all around.)

    Call me an optimist?

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  13. There’s a reason I am single, I have been told! I dunno, cooperation, getting along and having fun makes sense to me.

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  14. @ ton I knew you would say that! And yes, sometimes it is win-lose and needs to be. Especially w enemies and goes. Hopefully one’s partner is not that. But yes it does happen… Sadly.

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  15. *enemies and foes

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  16. I never have had good lobster, well maybe on e in the Bahamas. I’d take king crab or jumbo prawns (the really sweet ones, not the farmed thailand ones) over lobster anyday…

    But I am talking to myself here…

    Cookies, anyone? Chocolate chip or betrayal and regret?

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  17. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Here’s a great bear video!

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  18. I am watching “how to train a dragon 2” w kiddos tonight, lots of red pill stuff, interestingly!

    The chief reminds me of Ton! Lol.

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  19. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    You are going to be fine. Stop worrying. At the bottom of all this, there is a shortage of motivated women.
    You have the motivation.

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  20. Well Fuzzie so far all yhat motivation is not really working for me…But… I hope so! Maybe I have had to learn all I have for whatever reason but it sure hasn’t been fun. When do the good guys/gals win?

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  21. Actually there may be another character who reminds me of Ton…

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  22. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    All that motivation is working for you. Something tells me, that with the onset of Friday night concerts, you are going to have a fan club.
    Oh, and stop entertaining notions of empoying dragons. Bears will work for salmon.

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  23. Fuzzie still deliberating how and if to do Friday nights this year, local regulations have greatly minimized my ability to use my space as I have been. Any Friday night music will now need to be open air, not under cover. I am brainstorming ways to make it work, work even better than ever before! Dare to dream…

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  24. Bears like steelhead too, I hope! If so they are in abundance a short stroll away in one of the most beautiful swimming holes any have seen in all their lives!

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  25. Cill says:

    On a beautiful Good Friday in paradise, Cill and M and Molly wish Bloom well from the other side of the ocean.

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  26. Padawan says:

    Zero Sum Game (by Padawan, Blog Laureate 2014 – ?)

    Fembots prescribe “No pain no gain”
    As their way of making a living
    As long as it’s him who’s bearing the pain
    And she gets the gains from his giving

    They do nothing to add to the size of the cake
    They lack the application
    They’d rather keep growing the size of their take
    Whilst he learns to know his station.

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  27. Cheers to cill, M, and Molly! We are half a world apart but wishing each other well, pretty fabulous that! Coinky dink? I think not! I hope we all meet somehow, someday…

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  28. Cill says:

    What a great thought! Meanwhile we can continue to meet here, and wish each other well, and bring each other good cheer..

    It’s only 4:10 p.m. here, but we propose an early toast…
    Ladies and gentlemen,
    I ask you to charge your glasses and be upstanding and join me in a toast –
    To Bloom!

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  29. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Well, I did a search on youtube for “bear toast and look what came up.

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  30. What a fine group you are! 🙂 now Fuzzie, if I do go ahead with Friday music, I am expecting some fan cclub support to show up! 😉

    It’s all going to be ok, I have just got to believe that.

    Btw, I only briefly thought on e today about reaching out to the ex. I think it’s progress. Mostly I am at terms with the idea that it was not going to work, not meant to be, universe is looking out for me.

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  31. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I just had a shudder thinking about how awful it would be had he given everything up and moved in, to see it blow up then.

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  32. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, unless we’re* very much mistaken (*all 3 of us at this NZ end), that’s a slice of Vogel’s bread, banana slices and raisins. Swap the peanut butter for Marmite, and she’ll all be hunky dory.

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  33. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I can see someone fron your part of the world saying that.
    I have to wonder what Sumo will make of it.

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  34. Cill says:

    Fuzzie I’m told it’s email time. 😉

    Sumo will appreciate the culinary delights of Marmite with banana and raisins if and only if the diner is of antipodean persuasion.

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  35. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I just got a message from Molly:

    Fuzzie, Bloom is sweet. 🙂 Can you share these with Bloom for me please?
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯

    P.S. Tell her I love her
    xxxooo

    I already ate four of the burritos. They were good!

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  36. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    The burritos did not come through. Try again.

    🌯 🌯 :burito: 🌯

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  37. Cill says:

    You ate 4 and left 8? I didn’t know a bear could show as much discipline as that. I’m impressed, Fuzzy Wuzzy.

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  38. Cill says:

    Yes all 8 of them came through, Fuzzy. Relax.

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  39. Sumo says:

    I prefer peanut butter & honey. Which is also something that bears should enjoy.

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  40. Cill says:

    Okay Sumo. That’s Marmite 1; Kneeputt Butter 2 so far.

    P.S. I’m not holding out to win this Marmite vs Kneeputt Butter contest

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  41. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Sumo,
    The only thing that would be better for bears would be peanut butter, honey, and salmon.
    OH MY!!!

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  42. Sumo says:

    To be fair, I’ve never tried Marmite. A quick Wiki search has led me to think that it might be pretty tasty with carmelized bananas.

    Cill, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to test my theory at your earliest opportunity. Should you be captured, killed, or inflict food poisoning on Molls or M, I shall disavow any knowledge of your existence.

    Also, bonus points if you can guess what I’m watching on TV right now.

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  43. Cill says:

    Mission Impossible.

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  44. Sumo says:

    Actually, Hawaii 5-0.

    SumoNinja deception skillz win again!

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  45. Cill says:

    I don’t know Hawaii 5-0
    Is it old?
    I was born mid 1980s

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  46. Sumo says:

    Holy shit, I stayed on topic for once. I won, Cill lost. Eerie.

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  47. Sumo says:

    The original show was from the 60’s; the one I’m watching is the reboot version, started airing in 2010.

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  48. Cill says:

    2010? That happened on my watch.
    I have to admit, I’ve never heard of Hawaii 5-0
    You got me bro, fair and square.

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  49. Sumo says:

    Pfft….ain’t nothing fair here. I cheated, no doubt about it.

    I still won, though, so yay me. 😀

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  50. Cill says:

    You’re not just a bad bad man. Yay clever, badass. 🙂

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  51. Liz says:

    I think the win/win versus win/lose game theory can be summed up as an abundance mentality versus scarcity mentality. This thread has Covey overtones. From seven habits of highly effective people:

    “Most people are deeply scripted in what I call the Scarcity Mentality. They see life as having only so much, as though there were only one pie out there. And if someone were to get a big piece of the pie, it would mean less for everybody else.

    The Scarcity Mentality is the zero-sum paradigm of life. People with a Scarcity Mentality have a very difficult time sharing recognition and credit, power or profit – even with those who help in the production. The also have a a very hard time being genuinely happy for the success of other people.

    The Abundance Mentality, on the other hand, flow out of a deep inner sense of personal worth and security. It is the paradigm that there is plenty out there and enough to spare for everybody. It results in sharing of prestige, of recognition, of profits, of decision making. It opens possibilities, options, alternatives, and creativity.”

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  52. Liz says:

    I should add (per the topic) it’s virtually impossible to have a happy, fulfilling, and functioning family life it one uses the scarcity mentality with one’s family. Life becomes a checklist and virtually everything is looked at as some form of either reciprocity, entitlement, or obligation rather than interdependence. Of course the marriage partnership (especially when the children come) has requirements and obligations but it can’t be viewed that way, like a cost/gains analysis between dubious associates. Family means interdependence.

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  53. Liz says:

    That’s why it’s often difficult for me to verbalize when a person in the sphere asks what the benefit is to marriage. Or how I, in particular benefit the marriage. I don’t think in those terms. I could write a long list, but that would sound arrogant and self-gratifying and everyone has his/her own list. Sometimes it’s mostly give, sometimes it’s mostly take.

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  54. Yoda says:

    Bear would fit in a cubicle not.

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  55. Yoda says:

    Zero sum mentality deep in society it is.
    How to change this wonder I do.

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  56. Liz says:

    For levity, I found this funny. Especially around 2:40. This is so true.
    Those Union-hating conservative pilots really love their own Union:

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  57. jf13 says:

    Lose/lose is also a fine option, in the sense of sacrificing (part of) self in order to gain non-self. In reference to the food analogy, mutual consumption is a fine model of marriage.

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  58. jf13 says:

    A reference for my earlier claim that in women’s brains danger is correlated with initial attraction.

    Rupp, et al. 2009. Neural Activation in Women in Response to Masculinized Male Faces: Mediation by Hormones and Psychosexual Factors. Evol Hum Behav 30(1): 1–10.

    Heather Rupp and Thomas James did a remarkable series of experiments proving that it is specifically the perception of *sexual* danger that lights up attraction in womynz brainz. When women are told a man is promiscuous, the attraction lights up. When women are told a man has a jealous girlfriend/wife, the attraction lights up. When women are told a man has been infected with STDs, the attraction light up. When women are told a man is likely to knock her up (compared to being told he has a vasectomy), the attraction lights up. When women believe a man is more likely to hurt her sexually (somewhat; Rupp caveats this elsewhere), the attaction lights up.

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  59. Liz says:

    “Lose/lose is also a fine option, in the sense of sacrificing (part of) self in order to gain non-self. In reference to the food analogy, mutual consumption is a fine model of marriage.”

    Yeah, if you want to live a life of misery like Eeyore. Or a Catholic in the “suffering is good” sense. Sounds like a dismal existence to me.

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  60. Yoda says:

    When women believe a man is more likely to hurt her sexually (somewhat; Rupp caveats this elsewhere), the attaction lights up.

    Civilization weeps its does.

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  61. jf13 says:

    In the Core War types of games, in which one group of programs try to alter other programs, usually to try to make the other programs less able to alter the first group, the least-alterable program would be one that does nothing, but that isn’t any fun.

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  62. Liz says:

    “the least-alterable program would be one that does nothing, but that isn’t any fun.”

    It also isn’t reality. Life (exception perhaps for plants) is a dynamic environment.

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  63. Yoda says:

    Life (exception perhaps for plants) is a dynamic environment.

    Groot I am

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  64. Life even for plants is dynamic, they may not move but they are always doing something. Plus they are also bombarded with trials of weather, pests,, competition for space and resources from neighboring plants,, etc

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  65. Liz says:

    True, Bloom! 🙂

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  66. Liz says:

    It’s especially dynamic for Groot. 😛
    (that’s about my all-time favorite character…especially baby groot! Hoot, hoot for groot!)

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  67. SFC Ton says:

    There is a finite amount of damn near everything making damn near everything a win/ lose situation. What throws a semi monkey wrench in that is the governments ability to create phoney wealth but that is a long term con game and like all con games, will come to an end

    Marriage is also a lose/ win situation. In every possible way… maybe occasionally the loser still benefits to some.degree but it is not immune to reality and human nature

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  68. 9 days in the life of a radish, for example…

    Lots happening here, even movement! 🙂

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  69. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    SFC Ton,
    Thanks for the heads up. Good information on Japan is very hard to come by. While there is a huge gulf in culture, they are , demographically, ten years ahead of us. They can offer a glimpse into the a possible future.
    This is grim. This is not good at all.

    Yoda,
    If they start building internet cafe hostels here, I think the rooms will be bigger to accommodate Occidentals. The bear may fit.

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  70. Ton do you mean marriage specifically, or male/female relationships in general? How/why do you think they need to be win-lose?

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  71. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Whenever Captain Capitalism says “Stay Ffrosty, boys”, I shudder.
    A nineteen yearold rape suspect’s attorneys are looking to subpeona records that may prove conspiracy and false accuations among thirty women. Here’s the link:

    http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/28700460/defense-pinal-county-serial-rape-suspect-may-have-been-set-up

    False accusation by an indiviual is one thing. Conspiracy is another. Ifit’s so, I hope that it is prosecuted with full vigor.

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  72. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    COTWA is carrying it too. I have to admit to exaggerating the number of possible conspirators. The kid is accused of thirty incidents by thirteen accusers.

    http://www.cotwa.info/2015/04/disturbing-on-more-levels-than-i-can.html

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  73. Sounds like the Salem with trails all over again! If these girls made it up, they should all be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! And the man who has been defamed and incarcerated deserves a hefty settlement!

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  74. * witch trials I mean

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  75. Tarnished says:

    “I dunno, cooperation, getting along and having fun makes sense to me.”

    Likewise here, Bloom.
    People should play to their individual strengths in a relationship. Typically this may mean conforming to traditional gender roles…other times, it is the opposite. So long as the relationship is strong, loving, consensual, and stable it “wins”.

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  76. @ Farm Boy, going back to your original question, yes I think some division of labor with specialization would really help out with many of the problems faced by modern couples/families. As I have shared before, I was raised with the typical “go to college, get a career, don’t depend on a man, be your own woman.” Even though I married young because I am pretty traditional minded, we tried doing things “the modern way.” Both of us working, both of us on the home front, but general confusion about who should do what. It often felt like nobody was covering the home front, more like catch as catch can after work and on weekends. We spent a lot of money on eating out or prepared foods because of the time crunch. It was nice having the DINK cash flow, but it put a huge strain on our marriage. Not to mention I was never taught the basics of keeping house or being a wife, nor was he really prepared by his family to step into the husband roll. It was stressful, and we bickered, both overworked and short on time. We waited 10 years to have a child, because we wanted to have college loans paid off, a house, stability. By then I had built up my freelance career so I could work from home, a kind of hybrid of a SAHM but with an income. Well never having had a baby, we had no idea how that was going to impact our lives on every level. The DINK thing wasn’t great, but once we added a child to the mix the tensions and stress level plus lack of time and energy etc. were all turned up to high. My husband wasn’t supportive of me being a sahm as he was used to my income. I was afraid to give up my work, because I had been told my whole life “you can’t count on a man.” Two years after having our child, the wheels came flying off the cart. I see so many other couples in this situation too, and the strain it puts on their marriage and family. If I could go back in time, I would do different. I think it would have worked a whole lot better if I had managed the home front and he had managed the income/career. Or at least mostly, wo either of us feeling like they got the “raw deal.” Sad that a mutually supportive and sane division of life tasks is seen as somehow a “raw deal.” anymore. This whole be everything, do everything, have everything mentality just isn’t working.

    Here’s another way to say it, I remember working with a gal who had young kids in an in home daycare w a sahm. She would often say how great it was to walk into that house, to smell dinner cooking, to see the kids happy and having fun, the house was in order, the woman cheerful. She said more than once she was almost jealous…there she was frazzled, felt she never saw her kids, was always a day late and a dollar short, dinner? Hadn’t even though about that. It’s a stressful way to live, but women are sold that it is “better” or “safer” all the time… which marriage between the two women is more stable and likely to last? (And yes this sahm was “working” but her kids were in school most of the day, so her own kids were not nearly impacted by her “working” as the other mom’s.

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  77. And to this mom’s credit, she had found a high quality environment for her children to spend their day at. Institutional “cattle lot” daycare is really scary, imho. But so can the wrong in home daycare be. I have always been super super picky and careful about childcare for my kids, for sure. I wish I was with them all the time, but the reality right now is I need to work. So I do the best I can to lessen the impact on my girls as possible. They are in daycare less than 20 hours a week, I work nights, weekends, early mornings to make up the other time.

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  78. But the home front is still catch as catch can, can’t do it all…especially not one person! I’ll have a perfect house someday, happy well adjusted kids is more impt.

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  79. Tarnished says:

    Bloom,

    Slightly off topic (’cause that never happens around here…) But I’m chuckling a bit right now about our differences. You were taught to “never depend on a man”, but the way your life turned out would’ve been so much better if standard gender roles had been on the table. Myself? I was told to take care of my own finances and education, yes, but really only until I settled down and had kids. My family pretends to be “progressive” when it’s convenient…but 90% of the time is pretty damn traditional. I’m truly the black sheep of my tribe, lol.

    Just wondering, are you the same? Raised to believe Z, but finding that Q is more your speed?

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  80. Liz says:

    Just piping in that I was taught never to depend on a man. If I’d taken that to heart, I’d have had to divorce many years ago. Haven’t been in the position to pick and choose where I go and what I do for my own personal benefit.

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  81. @ Tarn, that is interesting! I would say yes I was urged to do college/career then marriage “around age 30.” My mom was widowed when I was very young, so I think a lot of her advice came out of that experience, not having any job skills herself at that time, things being very difficult on her, and also “the times.” My mom has three sisters, two married but never had children and I think my mom envies how easy their lives were compared to hers. My other aunt had a shotgun marriage her senior year, divorced 10 years later. While my father was active duty military at the time he passed away, which came with survivor benefits and such that made life easier for us financially, my aunt was truly on her own, no child support, raised the kids herself as a waitress.

    I can’t once remember my mom saying, “When you are married,” or “when you have kids.” It was always, always, always “When you go to college, when you have a job, when you have a career…” If anything kids were seen as a drawback to my mom, including her own. That’s not a criticism of her, I mean she was in a tough spot, but motherhood was not portrayed as something to aspire to, rather something that would hold me back, let’s put it that way. I had zero interest in having kids until age 32 or so, suddenly I could see room for that in my life. I had my second at 40. I adore my kids and wish I could be with them full time, I have enjoyed being a mom probably more than anything in life, I would not have predicted it myself but it’s true. I have two little amazing people in my life, I enjoy them very much. 🙂

    Just this morning the three year old and I sat and watched the rooster and the chickens (from behind a glass door, the rooster can be a bit aggressive to her) and we talked about how they moved, and the sounds they made, and what those vocalizations meant, where eggs come from, their toes, their beaks, their combs, their feathers…and how they kind of remind me of dinosaurs….then we went and drew pictures of chickens with puffy paint pens and stuck stickers and various doo dads all over them and talked about chickens some more. I found myself wishing we had more time for such moments.

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  82. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    It looks like the fembots just want to bury the program just because men like it.
    Don’t they already have plenty of their own stuff to watch?
    Oink, oink, oink.

    “Oh and the UK political scene just detonated”
    Don’t tell me. David “North Pole Penguin” Cameron finally lost it with Harriet Harman. He stuck big floppy ears on her and now Jar Jar Binks is chasing her all over the City professing his affection for her.
    Lots of people would pay money to see that.

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  83. Liz says:

    That sounds like a very good environment for your wee ones, Bloom. 🙂

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  84. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, it’s about the SNP / Sturgeon (McCommunists) saying (allegedly) that the SNP would prefer a CamerMong government and MilliMong is not PM material.

    Starts here, but it’s early yet for the msm.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11514933/Nicola-Sturgeon-secretly-backs-David-Cameron.html

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  85. Poseidon says:

    I have never depended on a man either. How about you Spawny?; ever depend on a man?

    Seriously though, if I had a daughter I would raise her to be independent also. I would want her to marry a good man and provide me grandchildren, but would not want her to ever be “trapped”.

    Liz, you had a different pic a few weeks ago I think… You were a cute blonde human, but have evolved into a cute dog.

    Redpillchick, what is your age? I will be 51 this month and have a 15 year old son. I believe we are better off not married. But some are truly fortunate and do well married. Better for them, but awful for those trapped in a marriage.

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  86. Liz says:

    I did turn into a dog, Poseidon! 😛

    If you had a daughter and she provided you with grandchildren, she would be “trapped”. That’s just the way it is. I didn’t “depend on a man” until he was the father of my children. Can’t leave them alone at home with a salt lick and a bowl. Someone’s career suffers or goes into extinction. Good luck with juggling all that and keeping a happy marriage and family. It’s unlikely to happen (unless the stars align in a seriously serendipitous manner).

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  87. Poseidon says:

    Trapped meaning being in a perceived bad situation without hope of getting out. I guess one can be considered trapped in a favorable situation. I can therefore say I am trapped to my son, but I am extremely blessed to be in that trappedness. Previously, my marriage was not a blessed trappedness.

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  88. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    Isn’t that one of the things that makes humans distinct? I have trouble seeing how we could have survived as a species without paternal investment.
    So, being dependent on a man would be the natural state.

    Bloom,
    I think that you are doing all right y your kids.

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  89. Spawny Get says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11514682/Nicolas-appalling-double-standards-exposed-for-all-to-see.html

    The stinking hypocrisy on the part of Nicola Sturgeon in telling a foreign diplomat something that she dare not tell the Scottish people – namely that she’d prefer David Cameron to win the election – is typical of the wholly duplicitous campaign the SNP is running.
    With almost every breath, in public anyway, Scotland’s First Minister tells the world that she will do all she can to prevent another Conservative government assuming office after May 7. Yet, in discussing the general election with the French ambassador to Britain she tells a different story.
    Then and presumably because she believed she wouldn’t be found out – but as Simon Johnson, this newspaper’s Scottish Political Editor, has discovered – she said she’d “rather see David Cameron remain” as Prime Minister. She also declared that she didn’t “ see Ed Miliband as Prime Minister material.’
    Her appalling double standards emphasise that she is perfectly prepared to dupe the Scottish people if it helps the SNP win votes on May 7. It also shows that a Conservative government in London, when taken together with a tiny number of Tory seats in Scotland, is part of the nationalists’ grand plan to provide the perfect breeding ground for another referendum which would, this time, see the break up of Britain.
    It is a scenario which many politicians and observers – including this one – have long believed was the SNP’s ultimate aim. But it is one that the SNP have always hotly denied.
    A report of Ms Sturgeon’s conversation on February 26 with Her Excellency Madam Sylvie Bermann, during the ambassador’s visit to the Scottish Parliament, was compiled by another senior French diplomat, Pierre-Alain Coffinier, the French Consul General in Edinburgh. And as part of normal diplomatic courtesies this report was relayed to the British government.
    We should be grateful that such formalities have given us a proper insight into the chicanery and insincerity that Ms Sturgeon clearly reckons is a substitute for honesty, open government and plain dealing.

    Ouch, no idea if it’s true, but we’re 33 days from the election

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  90. Poseidon says:

    So much of our world is changing so quickly. Scarey for those of us who have children. All the muslim migration kinda is of concern for me. I hate to be “prejudice”, but even if one in fifty commits acts of violence, that is quite a bit of violence.

    I wonder how Britain would be affected if the Scotts broke off on their own??? I’m hoping against it….

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  91. Poseidon yes I agree, being trapped in a truly bad marriage (not just “meh, I am unhaaaaapy”) is soul sucking, worse than being single because at least when one is single there is the possibility things will improve. I do get that. That’s not what I seek, not marriage just for marriage sake. I do long for a good marriage though, a life mate. Good marriages exist, I have seen them. It’s a big risk, yes. A big decision. I would rather be alone than in a marriage that feels trapped in a bad trapped kind of way. As in there is no foreseeable end to this misery way. “modern” life and the way things are set up, sets marriages up to fail is what I was trying to say above. Maybe more would work, were it not to for all the pressure? Hard to say. I am 43.

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  92. Spawny Get says:

    “How about you Spawny?; ever depend on a man?”
    As in ‘saved my life’?
    Nothing springs to mind. I prefer to not run my life needing such help and circumstances haven’t put me on such a position. I have a few friends that I would put serious trust in, but I won’t put them in that position without serious cause. I’d always allow them to walk away ahead of time without me complaining.

    I’ve done dives where (multiple?) equipment failures would have killed me, I theoretically could have needed to rely on a buddy…

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  93. Poseidon says:

    I was once kinda a romantic and wanted a “soul mate”, life partner who I could share life and trust with. I am so past that at this point in my life; and thank God! I’m at peace being alone. I work out for hours every day and read all I want. I’m one of the most physically fit 50 year olds on this planet. (maybe a slight overstatement, maybe not)

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  94. Spawny Get says:

    “I wonder how Britain would be affected if the Scotts broke off on their own??? I’m hoping against it….”

    I was ambivalent at the time of the vote (I had no vote). I think progress towards independence is inevitable. If them leaving the union is the price of never having Labour shitheads in government ever again? Ok. Not that the Conservative shitheads are currently much better.

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  95. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Something tells me thjat Nicola Sturgeon had covered her party in offal.

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  96. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, not being familiar with the Scottish Labour vs Scottish National Party vs whoever…I wouldn’t like to guess who did this and why, or even if it’s true. Gonna be a fine time seeing this play out.

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  97. Poseidon says:

    Scottish/British political interplay is new to me. I did not know the Scotts were more of a socialistic influence on Britain. There are some liberal influences in my country that I’d like to have separated from the rest.

    Funny, when I think of the Scotts, for some reason I think of Japanese college girls wearing school girl uniforms. Must be the skirts the Scottish men like to walk around in. I wonder if the type of dress has a feminizing effect on the Scottish men?? Perhaps something for my government to spend a few million tax dollars studying.

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  98. Spawny Get says:

    Kilt is the preferred term 😉 and no, I don’t see any feminising. The Welsh are predominantly lefties too.

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  99. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Stories of this nature are coming up a little too often. What it boils down to is that business as usual cannot continue anymore. The pols have lost the faith of their constituaents.

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  100. Spawny Get says:

    My ambivalence over the independence vote wasn’t because I wanted them gone (there would have been costs and benefits). It was more like we’re in a marriage going south. You can’t make the other side happy. No longer interested in trying to do so. If the majority of them wanted out…fine.

    Look into the ABE phenomenon, also the antics of Salmond and Sturgeon to understand. The snp might be said to be machine politicians, Chicago style. They make Labour look altruistic and trustworthy.

    BTW the oil price drop after the referendum would have crucified Scotland, so they were lucky there. When oil comes back…well see if attitudes change towards independence.

    I learnt about ABE as part of the English Red Pill, those who take it cast a jaundiced eye over our relations with our closest neighbours. But it’s not hate.

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  101. Yoda says:

    This post’s landscape Scotland it is.

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  102. Yoda says:

    News travels slow to Yoda it does
    Spawny already posted link he did

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  103. Yoda says:

    Just piping in that I was taught never to depend on a man. If I’d taken that to heart, I’d have had to divorce many years ago

    Since a dog you are,
    man’s best friend you would be.
    Divorce would be logical not.

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  104. SFC Ton says:

    By and large women are like dogs and Germans; @ your throat or at your feet.

    Fail a shit test to often, or one big one, and guess where she will be?

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  105. Yoda says:

    That sounds like a very good environment for your wee ones, Bloom

    A Scottish Terrier you would be?

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  106. Posiden, men have always been able to fend alone, not that they didnt perish. As anti feminist as this is to say, women rarely lived alone, to be a woman alone often was a huge risk. Women are IMHO communal creatures, home and hearth not compete and conquer. . Our “safe” society masks this truth, that women need men (longterm) more than men need women (here and there if at all) but it’s still just under the surface. Not that women can’t be brave and strong and independant, but it is not their preferred state, again IMHO. I can and do, but I still hope to not have to be so strong, independant, and brave someday. A good man is priceless.

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  107. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    After reading your last comment for the second time, You may have stumbled upon lost knowledge. All those that yell, “I don’t need a man!” are going against nature.
    I think you may have trancended modernity.

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  108. Farm Boy says:

    Our “safe” society masks this truth, that women need men (longterm) more than men need women

    Yes indeed. There was this Sandman video where he talks about explaining to women what a MGTOW was. The women got angry. Women’s expectation is that men will always be there to service their needs. Men have no such expectation.

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  109. Farm Boy says:

    You may have stumbled upon lost knowledge.

    Let me refer you to this post,

    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2015/02/27/wisdom-of-the-ages/

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  110. Poseidon says:

    @ redpillchick:

    Are you the person being called, “Bloom”? If yes then why?

    I was thinking the exact thoughts you shared in your last comment, that women intrinsically need another person much more than a man needs the companionship/relationship. For the past couple of hours me and my son have been watching Game of Thrones DVD, so I haven’t replied till now. Me being a man makes it much easier to kinda give up on a relationship and just go my own way. A definite advantage for men.

    You also chimed, “A good man is priceless”. I wonder what this assertion does to my value? If only good is priceless, then “damn great” outta yield something much greater than mere pricelessness. Fun day learning more about myself. Thank you redpillchick……….

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  111. @ Poseidon before I started my own blog, notes from a red pill girl, I used to post under the name Bloom, those who call me that knew me back when I was a pre-red pill chick.

    I am surprised the feminist masses have not surrounded my home with torches, demanding I be burned alive for saying (yes!) women need men. And that men are valuable, priceless! Ancient knowledge that’s due for a revival. Peace! 🙂

    And the sad thing (for me anyway) is it seems the great guys, who “get it” are all mtgtow.

    Sniff

    Ok, pity party over. Plus I am on the sidelines for the time being, recovering from a recent near disaster w Cupid myself.

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  112. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Poseidon,
    Yes, Bloom is Redpillgirlnotes. Bloom was her handle before starting her blog, Notesfromaredpillgirl.com. I have to admit to being lazy and preferring to hit only five keys to address her.

    Farm Boy,
    That was a very fun post! May we look forward to more from Yoda so we can all practice speaking Yodish?

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  113. Yoda says:

    Yoda write about what he should?

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  114. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Could feminiwsts be behind the denial of the Holocaust? This would be very strange. From Sargon of Akkad

    In all seriousness, conflating feminism with Nazis is bad history. Had they existed at the same time, they would have ben mortal philosophical enemies.

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  115. Bloom, red pill girl, red pill chick, rpg… Any will work!

    P.s. Liz see I told you, you still got it! 🙂 the puppy pic is cute too.

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  116. @ farm boy I have had the lyrics of “tender is the night” stuck in my head all day bc of this post! Lol.

    “I win, you win– we lose… Tender, tender is the night…”

    Now it can haunt you all too. You are welcome! (How does Liz do the ebul face?)

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  117. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Try this to rid yourself of an unwante song in your head.
    Play loud.

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  118. Liz says:

    “By and large women are like dogs and Germans

    Dogs AND Germans? What about German dogs? 🙂
    I should change my avatar to a German Shepard!

    But I feel like I’m more of a Maltease. 😛

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  119. Liz says:

    Yes, women are more dependent on men than men are on women. Think about the birth process itself, and pregnancy, and weaning. Do you envision God (or nature, or whatevers…does it just seem reasonable) intended for the woman to squeeze a bunch of her milk into a jar, hand it to the man and say, “Okay, you stay home and feed our kid and wait for me….I’m going to run along with my saggy heavy milk teets and hunt us down a wild boar!”

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  120. SFC Ton says:

    Worse dog I ever owned was a female German Shepherd. She exemplified that statement

    Still better then the German wives I’ve seen

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  121. Liz says:

    That is really surprising about German Shepards.
    I always thought they were the best…never got one because I couldn’t hang with all the shedding though.

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  122. Liz says:

    I have a habit of calling people by their initial first handles.
    Do you mind that I call you Bloom or would you prefer RPG, Redpillgirl? 🙂

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  123. Liz says:

    I kind of like RPG, but it sounds more like a dude’s name
    (rocket propelled grenade, dat…a dude with braggadocio maybe 😛 )

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  124. SFC Ton says:

    German Shepherds make good working dogs but require a lot of work as a pet…. though I don’t doubt in a lot of cases what makes them good working dogs has been bred out of them in the quest for $$$

    I use to ride down “rpg ally” a few times a week. Good times.

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  125. Liz says:

    I just had the weirdest dream. That’s what I get for waking, having a large ice cream bar and half a chocolate peanutbutter bunny, and going back to bed. I dreamt that I got online and there were about ten different video tapes at this site…all with different versions of my life.

    There was one from a vacation in Colorado, one from a few years back picking up the kiddos at the gym childcare place, and so on.
    Good grief.

    Last night, my husband was in a foul mood (not at me). He went out with a friend who just got screwed over by a lawyer (not divorce related, not a female lawyer). Anyway…my husband wasn’t going to drink and had a diet coke (he’s on a diet now that only allows drinking on the weekend and it isn’t officially the weekend until midnight Fri). The friend was downing shots of Johnnie Walker blue, and the friend insisted he take a shot too. My husband said, ‘no’ and the friend insisted again and said it was ‘on him’. By the end of the hour, he’d done a couple of shots and the friend had done five. The friend’s credit card was rejected so my husband ended up having to pay over 200 dollars (35 dollars per shot, plus tip). I’ve never met a woman who did this….maybe the guys have, but honestly, I can’t imagine going out with my girlfriends and having this happen. On the flip side, I guess it’s good we can handle a 200+ dollar bar tab (though it’s kind of a kick in the gut), and we pay off our card every month.

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  126. Liz says:

    On that note, why do people with money problems go on these type of fatalistically expensive shopping/drinking binges? The mind boggles…

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  127. jf13 says:

    “52 pick-up” is another sterling example of a game with no winners.

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  128. jf13 says:

    A marriage is supposed to be a union of partners, a unified team working together on the same side. *Any* and *all* competition within marriage is at best back-biting; *Any* and *all* competition within marriage is lose-lose 101% of the time.

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  129. Liz says:

    “A marriage is supposed to be a union of partners, a unified team working together on the same side. *Any* and *all* competition within marriage is at best back-biting; *Any* and *all* competition within marriage is lose-lose 101% of the time.”

    Yes.

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  130. SFC Ton says:

    Johnny Walker Blue is still Johnny Walker and best avoided by honest men

    $200 bar tab seems like an easy night

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  131. Spawny Get says:

    The only shots worth spending $200 on are buck

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  132. Spawny Get says:

    Nichola Sturgeon (SNP leader)

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  133. Tarnished says:

    Liz,

    Re: Picking up the tab
    Happened to me at least 6x in middle/high school, and a few times since then. I’ve always been the most frugal of all my friends throughout the years, and least likely to have a moth-filled wallet. On numerous occasions, we’d (the group) go out to dinner/movies and they’d have to puppy-dog-eye me because they didn’t have enough to cover their own expenses.

    However, I usually got paid back, so it was more of a temporary loan if anything…Not really a big deal amongst friends.

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  134. Yikes, Liz, I hope the friend pays your husband back.

    I remember reading, among other differences between men and women:

    ” And when the check comes, Mike, Phil, Rob and Jack will each throw in $20 bills, even though it’s only for $22.50. None of them will have anything smaller, and none will actually admit they want change back.

    When the girls get their check, out come the pocket calculators. ”

    Lol So yeah women generally wouldn’t stick their gf with a $200 bill. They do sometimes “borrow” things which they never return though.

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  135. Liz says:

    I’m still shaking my head at 35 dollars for one shot of alcohol. I could have bought 4 pairs of shoes for the kids, on sale! I could buy two shirts for one of those shots.
    Getting over it but still gobsmacked.

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  136. Tarnished says:

    “Me being a man makes it much easier to kinda give up on a relationship and just go my own way. A definite advantage for men.”

    At least you have less of a chance of people telling you that you need kids to be “fulfilled” or “whole”. 😛 That’s a huge part of it, in my experiences. Women who are “lone wolves” aren’t ever going to be accepted wholesale.

    This:
    “The women got angry. Women’s expectation is that men will always be there to service their needs.”
    Plus this:
    “I was once kinda a romantic and wanted a “soul mate”, life partner who I could share life and trust with. I am so past that at this point in my life; and thank God! I’m at peace being alone.”

    …kinda go together. It’s unhealthy and unrealistic (imho) to believe someone will always be there for you. Better to be as strong, self sufficient, and knowledgeable as one can in our society so that it’s easier to pick oneself up after a betrayal. Btw, not trying to be a downer or pessimistic…just saying it’s preferable to be prepared for a potential stab in the back than completely caught off guard and vulnerable.

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  137. Yoda says:

    having a large ice cream bar and half a chocolate peanutbutter bunny

    Trying to tease the bear you are.

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  138. Yoda says:

    why do people with money problems go on these type of fatalistically expensive shopping/drinking binges?

    The answer within your question it is.

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  139. SFC Ton says:

    Yoda crushed that one

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  140. SFC Ton says:

    Recklessly spending money is the modern macho since clubbing baby seals, rapeing, raiding and pillaging went out of style

    Makes one long for the good ol days

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  141. $35 a shot! That does seem like a lot. Holy smokes!!! How much is that stuff a bottle?

    Bars are always expensive but that’s — wow!

    I wish I had a chocolate peanut butter bunny and some ice cream!

    It’s fine to call me Bloom, I like it! 🙂

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  142. Poseidon says:

    Since I’ve been gone it appears the conversation has turned to a discussion comparing/contrasting human wifery to canine ownership. Perhaps a separate post is warranted?

    This web site, https://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/, offers information regarding various types of canine learners. This might elicit some valuable discussion in the manosphere as here we want women to learn more about men and appropriate behavior in relationships.

    I can’t say that I agree, in toto, with the comparison of wifery and caninery, but I do look forward to another amusing and educational discussion.

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  143. Poseidon says:

    @ Liz:

    Although I’m not into alcohol, I am into not wasting money, even if isn’t in very low supply. Perhaps advise your husband to purchase his liquor at Costco. Then fill a flask and just go to McDonald’s and each purchase an extra large diet coke. Then nonchalantly pour a dose of liquor into the diet coke. Then drink. This method has got to be much less financially costly.

    @ Tarn:

    I agree with your point that women without children and without a man would be more ostracized than a man in the same position.

    When I again attempted church attendance I was treated negatively for being a single father, as if I was attending church to PUA to vulnerable females.

    I don’t agree with all of the “tenants” of the Christo-manosphere. Like I said, if I had a daughter I would push her to complete university and become independent, while at the same time wanting her to find a good man to marry and have children. YES, better to be strong and self sufficient!

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  144. Tarnished says:

    “Like I said, if I had a daughter I would push her to complete university and become independent, while at the same time wanting her to find a good man to marry and have children.”

    Would you be very disappointed in her if she decided to remain single/childless? All of my parents, biological and step alike, never pass a chance to give me grief about being 31 and not “giving” them grandchildren. I find this odd, as it’s well known that all my younger siblings want to have children and spouses…I suppose my parental units are simply impatient.

    “When I again attempted church attendance I was treated negatively for being a single father, as if I was attending church to PUA to vulnerable females.”

    Geez, what the heck? I know quite a few single fathers in my area/customer base. I’ll have to ask them if they encounter issues like this often. Sounds too presumptious of the church for my tastes.

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  145. Tarnished says:

    “I can’t say that I agree, in toto, with the comparison of wifery and caninery…”

    Lol. In Toto? 😉
    I wouldn’t agree with it to the extent that some of the manosphere does, like when certain PUA sites actively say to use dog training techniques on their “plates”, but it’d be foolish to not admit that we’re just as succeptible to various psychological traits as our four-legged cousins.

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  146. Cill says:

    Look at Writers Corner Yoda should 😉

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  147. Poseidon says:

    Tarn:

    If I had a daughter I would not make her feel bad for not having children or a man. I would accept her out of love, just as I fully accept my son who has imperfections of his own. I am an extremely grace based christian man. I also like to clown around alot.

    You caught the Toto pun. Good catch, you are astute.

    Regarding my experience at church, to their semi defense, in other areas of my life I seem to get tagged as something that I am not. I am 6’2, lean mostly still, and muscular. For some reason my facial expression is kinda a frown I guess. So others seem to have a reaction of fear I guess. But in reality there is nothing to fear. I have no criminal record, never get into fights, and help others when opportunity presents. So much of our existence is based on perception rather than reality; what do you think????

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  148. Poseidon says:

    Tarn, also the “institutional churches” have a common attitude derived from feminism that men are to serve women and provide for them. So if a man is without a wife and professes that he does not want to obtain another wife, then he must just be too selfish to be a Godly enough man.

    There is quite a disconnect between what I’ll label “Jesus Christ” Christianity and churchianity.

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  149. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    Yoda is right. That was a big tease for my sweet tooth.
    About Johnnie Walker Blue, it’s twenty one years old. I’ve had Chiva Regal Royal Salute, also 21 yo, and it is a once in a lifetime experience. If you had some, you would say, “This is very good but, I’ll hold off on another.”

    Poseidon,
    They ran you out as a single father? Presuming you were there to game the church ladies? If they were reasonable, they should have held off to see your intentions. You would think that a single man would be welcome if he were looking to marry.
    They jumped the gun and now, you have a story to tell men how churchianity treats them.

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  150. Tarnished says:

    “There is quite a disconnect between what I’ll label “Jesus Christ” Christianity and churchianity.”

    -Which is why I’m fine being friends with honest Christians, but loathe the fact that the US is filled with Churchians who haven’t even read their own holy book.

    “You caught the Toto pun. Good catch, you are astute.”

    I love puns and witty turns of phrase. It’s how I usually make my friends laugh.

    “I would accept her out of love, just as I fully accept my son who has imperfections of his own.”

    You sound like an excellent father, Poseidon.

    “So much of our existence is based on perception rather than reality; what do you think????”

    I don’t think I could agree more if I tried. 😉

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  151. Poseidon says:

    I hope I’m not writing tooo much as being new here. In the New Testament our Creator indicates that the two most important laws are:

    First: Love God with all your heart
    Two: Love one another as you love yourself

    Additionally, the number two allows us to love our self as well. Of course not narcissisticly, but appropriately.

    In my experience so many church attenders use their church persona as a means to fancy themselves as morally superior to others. This is in direct opposition to what God teaches in the bible.

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  152. Sumo says:

    No such thing as writing too much ’round these parts, dude.

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  153. Spawny Get says:

    “I hope I’m not writing tooo much as being new here.”

    No problem here.

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  154. Spawny Get says:

    Cill put a new post up, bad boy that he is

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  155. True broken heart confession: I almost posted a Taylor Swift song on my bog just now! What is WRONG with me??? Backing away from the computer….shhhhhh. Be still. This too shall pass. (Hyperventilating into a small paper bag)

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  156. ” First: Love God with all your heart
    Two: Love one another as you love yourself”

    You can’t argue with the TRUTH. Well said. Yes, yes, yes ->THIS!!! Well said Poseidon. I am also very spiritual but off the whole “churchian” atmosphere that’s so popular these days. Blech.

    Also note what it does NOT say…

    Two: Judge one another as you judge yourself

    Two: Hate one another as you hate yourself

    Two: Abuse one another as you abuse yourself

    Two: Lie to one another as you lie to yourself

    Two: Betray one another as you betray yourself

    Two: Destroy one another as you destroy yourself

    Two: Take from one another and give to yourself

    It’s SO about the love, I don’t get why people don’t get that. The sun shining on you is love. The trees growing and giving you air are love. The stones that have seen ten thousand years are love. The moon shining is love. Look at the splendor, the richness, the abundance all around. It is glorious. That doesn’t happen by accident.

    And yet I can so often feel all alone. Silly, silly, silly. The very air I breathe is filled with God’s love! (I am not a nature worshiper or new-agey, btw, but I know it probably sounds that way.)

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  157. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I am glad that you were able to restrain yourself from posting Taylor Swift. Would this be better?

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  158. Poseidon says:

    @ Redpillchick:

    I very much appreciate nature as well, although I would describe my appreciation with different verbiage. Me and my son went for a walk last month just outside of our housing development in Arizona. We encountered a tree with a few very large owls. Their legs were so muscular and they were so beautiful. My house has a few trees that just began to bloom (not you Bloom) flowers. Now that the weather is warm I keep the windows open at night. In the mornings I can smell the flower scent in the house. I wonder how beautiful this world was before the fall of Adam and Eve as there is so much beauty now. Then it must have been beyond description.

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  159. Tarnished says:

    Poseidon & Bloom,

    Were that more Christians shared your beliefs about nature…Most of the ones I have known (besides my friends, who are like yourselves) tend to think of the natural world as somehow apart from the Divine. It makes for very misunderstood assumptions about other religions, but if more understood that nature isn’t “fallen” or “bad”, but just “is”…conversations might actually go somewhere!

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  160. Poseidon says:

    We really don’t know what the world was like before the fall. We only have a small glimpse in the book of Genesis. Although I am not a vegetarian, I would guess that animals were not eaten, only plants. Also, perhaps animals back then were not eating each other as well. I don’t know.

    Anyway, nature is not evil. But our world is fallen with an evil presence existing. The falleness of our world has effected everything. Perhaps one effect is the beginning of animals eating one another. I don’t know, I’m merely conjecturing.

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  161. Tarnished says:

    Poseidon,

    So you’re a Biblical type of Christian? By that I mean one who sees the stories in the Bible as actually happening in the past, as opposed to being myths created for allegory and teaching purposes. My friends are all of the latter type, but one of my sisters is the former.

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  162. Agreed Tarn, so many use religion to justify destruction of nature. The systems are so perfect, there is no way hunamity can surpass what was already there but we still try!

    @ Poisedon Cheers! I was born and raised in Arizona, 20 minutes from the border. Beautiful in its own way, rugged and masculine. Prickly pear cactus, mesquite, horned toads, roadrunners, tumbleweeds, and monsoon rains. I do miss it at times. Now I dwell among ferns and fir trees and volcanoes and lakes and streams and nature and wildlife in what has to be one of the most brilliantly green places on earth. And bonus: not a single poisonous snake or spider (at least in the area where I live.)

    @ Fuzzie instead of posting Taylor Swift (shudder) I decided to do some gardening, planted a big bank of sunflowers, cosmos, California poppies, black eyed Susan, and assorted sedums. Should be pretty cheery around here this summer!

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  163. p.s. total cost of my display to come? $3 and some sweat equity! Everything came from seed or divisions of plants I already have. Pays to be a Master Gardener 😉

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  164. @ Tarn I also don’t get why faith and science have to be divided. It’s said when Einstein couldn’t figure something out, he would pray that it be revealed to him. People are so silly with all their little boxes. Why can’t the corn touch the potatoes, so to speak? 😉

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  165. Tarnished says:

    Oh, Bloom!
    Are you in an area that would support Butterfly Bushes? They are my favorite of all garden plants…We had a row of them along the driveway of my mother’s house, and when flowering the scent was heavenly and could be detected a full 1/2 mile away at our busstop. The blossoms themselves are a wonderful light purple-blue color, and attract hummingbirds like crazy.

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  166. Tarnished says:

    “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

    The way I see it, religious beliefs give us a starting point and we work from there. Sometimes science will support an ancient belief, and sometimes it will disqualify it. But in the end, humankind has always had an undying curiosity for the natural mechanisms of our environment, world, and even universe. What’s important is that we keep searching and learning…Keep traditions for what they taught us, whilst embracing new facts as they are brought to light.

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  167. Tarn, I do not believe in foisting my faith on others, but since you bring it up, I am a biblical Christian. I believe everything one needs to know to live a well lived life can be found in the Book, and that it’s all true and divinely inspired. But if you believe different, that’s ok with me!

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  168. Tarnished says:

    Bloom,

    Likewise!😊💙👍

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  169. @ Tarn, yes! I have a large butterfly bush on the sw corner of my house and it is lovely. Love the butterfly’s!

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  170. Poseidon says:

    @ Tarn:

    I do not know if the Garden of Eden event actually occurred as described in Genesis or is a parable, or your term might be better, allegory. Either way the meaning remains, that humanity sinned very badly by directly disobeying our Creator and our subsequent curses as consequential punishment as depicted in Genesis.

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  171. Poseidon says:

    I do believe literally in Jesus Christ as the Messiah that was spoken of in the Old Testament. I totally believe in the Trinity doctrine and that Jesus led a sinless life and suffered as a ransom for us sinners so we would not have to pay for our sins ourselves. This belief is the cornerstone of being a christian; not attending an institutional church on Sunday mornings and acting righteous.

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  172. Tarnished says:

    Poseidon,

    I don’t believe in most of what you describe, but I’d gladly fight for your right to believe it. 🙂
    Same for Bloom, and anyone else.

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  173. SFC Ton says:

    The only two books on game a man needs is

    How to be your dog’s best freind

    How to be your puppy ‘s best freind

    Both by the Monks of New Skete.

    The traditional point of striving etc in life is to reproduced yourself, extend you family line, culture,.faith etc. Another one of those things that are ancient and universal through out humanity

    Failing to do so is in a very real way failing at life.

    Y’all sound exactly like new age churchanity, compete with all th hippie stuff piled on.

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  174. Poseidon says:

    Tarn:

    I’m the same. I’ll fight for the rights of others with whom I disagree, as long as they are not being overtly destructive as is the case with SOME of the Muslims.

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  175. We are all guessing at this, yes? But I believe it is all about love. Interesting discussion considering what weekend it is. Anyone who has not read the bible beginning to end, even as a literary experience, I think would find it fascinating. IMHO.

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  176. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I am glad that you found something else to do in place of Taylor Swift.
    Flowers make bees happy. Happy bees make more honey. Happy Bear to see more flowers.

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