Red Pill Classroom — The Wall


Deti suggested that I create a post on the wall.  I was about to do so when this post came to my attention,

http://www.theawl.com/2013/07/ask-polly-im-almost-30-and-im-terrified-of-losing-my-looks

This post helps illustrate the concepts.  The lady starts off,

I’m a woman who will soon be 30. I am terrified of watching my physical beauty deteriorate over the next decade.

This lady is facing the wall.  It is a period where a woman’s youth and beauty slowly fade away.  It is also the time when her fertility starts to fade.  This would actually be the driving force, as men are attracted to young women, where “young” is a proxy for “higher probability of fertility”.

In this lady’s case, she is apparently not concerned with fertility, but with the attention and validation she receives because of her appearance.  Which, when you think about it seems somewhat backwards.

It’s like I’ve been given this precious gift with the stipulation that it will be yanked away from me before my life is even halfway over. I don’t know how to cope with this. I have these horrible moments now in which I see older women around me and feel a visceral sense of disgust and pity—obviously a projection of my own fears.

One can see that she really does fear the wall.  Perhaps she has little to fall back on.  In order to alleviate this problem, women normally try to lock up a guy before the wall gets too close.  But this is getting harder and harder for women to do.

So the advice to women is to not place your entire worth in your youth and beauty.  Try to develop yourself in other ways.  Perhaps by marrying a good fella young.  And maybe having children.  And working on creating a good marriage and family.  This plan worked well for many women in times past.

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195 comments on “Red Pill Classroom — The Wall
  1. Farm Boy says:

    I finally knocked the picture of that “thing” off of the home page.

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  2. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Would you be referring to Andrea Dworkin’s pet?

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  3. “So the advice to women is to not place your entire worth in your youth and beauty. Try to develop yourself in other ways.”

    Good advice.

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  4. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    While men would love to believe that, at soe point, their market value will surpass that of women, we have to remember that women’s value has to to fall from a height that only male rock stars can experience. Captain Capitalism has proposed that, as long as there is any value left, even that of a consumer, someone out there is going to flatter their egos and they will never quite hit the wall.

    I think, while I was trying to date on the internet, this was the ‘wall” that I kept running into.

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  5. Farm Boy says:

    Fuzzie Bear,

    I am referring to that thing that Spawny uses from time to time. It clashes with my landscapes.

    If Spawny used that picture of Andrea Dworkin, it would not clash as much. For she is large and my landscapes are large.

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  6. SFC Ton says:

    The wall scares them because it means no more.strange alpha cock. Sure she will.still be able to hook up but post wall it means hooking up with dudes of lower value then she is accustomed to

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  7. (Dishes fly at Farm Boy’s head…. Doors slam… “You’re no spring chicken, yourself!” comes from the other side.

    Wall, shmall, what does it matter anyway? better alone with cats that will at least stay long enough to eat your dead body.

    Omg, am I the next (w)mtgtow?

    Cats, anyone? Cookies of betrayal and regret? Yum yum!

    Farm boy it is you and it is not. (Said wo malice) Ya’ll vex me, go on now, sfffffft! Scat!

    Doors slam again! Digging a moat and ordering white tigers and dragons, f* this!)

    Ahem, I mean peace love joy joy!

    (Slam, slam, slam, anything not nailed down hitting the wall follewed by an impulse buy of a kick bag because it seemed to make sense at the time)

    Unicorns, sprinkles and bubbles everyone!!!

    (Last slam door of the night. I should probably just stop now…gnite!)

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  8. I am actually not laslo but he his either brilliant or a complete freak but at least I somehow feel better that his ranting are crazier than mine. Kinda.

    That makes no sense but whatever! Peace!

    None of this makes sense!

    I am laslo.

    (Google it then trace it back to the blog he comments on, if you have severe insomnia from getting dumped, or hitting the wall, or reading about how even land wales have men but not you somehow bc of the thirst. Because you got nothing but (ever limited) time!)

    La, la, la…

    (Slam, slam, throws cars across the yard, nuclear clouds of fury.)

    Yep, kinda like that.

    I am going to be laslo. I fear it!

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  9. Ok I actually calmed down enough to read the post and I would agree, I would give my own girls this advice.

    Breathing deeply… Ommmm… The universe is love…. Abundance and such…. Life is a journey… Ommmmmmm

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  10. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    We all love you! All of us! Including Farm Boy, your dish target!

    Seriously, I think that you are on the mend because you are feeling anger. That is an improvement over sad.

    SEnding you big virtual crushing bear hugs.

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  11. Cill says:

    I don’t like to see a good person down. Wish I could help.

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  12. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Uh oh! I think Bloom got big and green and Farm Boy should watch out!

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  13. If you mean big and green like Godzilla crashing thru Tokyo yeah it’s kinda like that…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8trsDPpAI5E

    Ps I never realized before that Godzilla was maybe somehow a dragon? Interesting….

    I am (not yet) laslo.

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  14. http://althouse.blogspot.com/2015/02/i-recently-assisted-young-man-who-was.html?m=1

    To save ya’ll the trouble of googling laslo you will find him here, commenting on rape culture, for instance…

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2015/02/i-recently-assisted-young-man-who-was.html?m=1

    I am (glad I am not yet) laslo.

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  15. Cill says:

    laslo’d love it if someone became obsessed with the question, “is laslo funny or mad?”
    laslo’d love that.
    (heh heh heh)

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  16. Cill says:

    @BM are you there?

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  17. Cill says:

    Does anybody know where to buy Alexander Uninsky playing Chopin Etude opus 25 No 1 in A flat major? I’ve looked and asked for it everywhere except a MGTOW site.

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  18. Liz says:

    Losing your looks (I’ve said this before) is like being rich and watching your money slow-leak out, every day, knowing it’s only going to get worse. Beauty is a gift. And it’s not just a gift to yourself, everyone likes to be around a beautiful person. Your kids like to have “the pretty mommy” your husband likes to be married to the “best looking one in the room” everyone wants “the nice, pretty nurse”. But you can either get old or get creepy. Aging gracefully is good, but there’s only so much you can do.

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  19. Liz says:

    About the only type of woman who wouldn’t care (much) about the wall is the type that always looked like crap and couldn’t be arsed, ever. I have one friend like that. She has been obese and hirsute her whole life (even at 10, when we met), and inactive. So aging doesn’t bother her at all…it’s an excuse to get more fat and sit on her ass even more. My first boyfriend (he was 18 at the time) said he looked forward to middle age so he could get fat and it would be considered ‘distinguished’. It’s sort of like that.

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  20. SFC Ton says:

    You mean I can get fat now? & look distinguished?….. No thanks. Never been the fancy sort

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  21. Liz says:

    Lol sfcton. He was a dreamboat. Not.
    Another analogy I think is pretty close, is dementia.
    Stephen King recently mentioned that he fears this more than anything. He’s always been a brilliant writer…absolutely brilliant. Part of that is genetic, he has a gift. Part of it is effort (but most of us could practice telling a story for thirty years and it wouldn’t be as good, so it’s still genetics, and some luck and all that).
    Pam Anderson right now is suffering from the equivalent of Alzheimer’s. Of the face. So is Renee Zellweger (sp?). Creepy.

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  22. jf13 says:

    re: I am laslo!

    You’ll have to show some ID, sir.

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  23. jf13 says:

    re: “the nice, pretty nurse”

    For women, niceness wth femininity is fungible with attractiveness. Men DO rate a smiling, eager-to-please woman as significantly more physically attractive.

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  24. jf13 says:

    For many women, the Wall is indeed vertical, a sort of step function. It connotes the fact that the first part of their fertile life is over, wherein she could attract the sexual attentions (if not actual sexual activities) of literally any man if she wanted to.

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  25. Liz says:

    “For women, niceness wth femininity is fungible with attractiveness. Men DO rate a smiling, eager-to-please woman as significantly more physically attractive.”

    Of course. Especially when they are sick and/or injured and laid up in bed feeling like crap.

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  26. jf13 says:

    A fun fact is that all of the most highly attractive 19 yr old women are significantly less attractive at 23. But, to me anyway, the many “late” bloomers, who are better looking at 23 than they were at 19, are better looking than those early bloomers. And a few continue to increase.

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  27. Liz says:

    One more fun “wall” anecdote from moi. It was my first “ick, this fucking sucks” moment.
    I’d just had a baby, and we were at a beach in Italy with our sons. I felt like I looked pretty damned good, and was running around in the surf holding our new baby and playing with my other sons/ friends kids. I returned to the blanket to put my youngest son down, and I could hear a teenaged boy whisper to his friend, “vecchia” (this means ‘old’ in Italian). I’m quit certain those teenaged boys thought I was a young nanny instead of the mom, because I did look really young then (late 20s), and they were probably commenting that I was not a teen, as they’d thought when I was running around in the surf…but that experience still sucked ass.

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  28. jf13 says:

    re: “Especially when they are sick and/or injured and laid up in bed feeling like crap.”

    Yes, then too. I have concluded that the reason so many women treat so many sick (and non-sick) “loved” ones so contemptuously is specifically to dissuade sexual interest. Women KNOW that nice is sexy to men.

    I do have a story about a very nice nurse when I was laid up in hospital. The details are probably boring to anyone but me, but suffice to say the room lit up and and the sax and violins soared and the butterflies danced in glory whenever she walked in.

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  29. jf13 says:

    The rational things for any rational woman to do upon hitting the Wall would be to
    (a) Lower her standards. Start treating lesser men as though they were better men.
    (b) Become a lot nicer and more feminine (-acting, anyway), especially towards lesser men (see (a).
    (c) Don’t worry about her own looks since time stands still for no woman, just do what can be done and leave the rest up to behavior (see (c).

    The funny thing is that women do none of these.

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  30. jf13 says:

    re: “I was not a teen, as they’d thought when I was running around in the surf”

    Running, and giggling, and whooping, with energy and fun. I bet if you had smiled nicely at the boy, and maybe had done the come-hither look or manhood-appraising peek over your sunglasses, then you may have noticed what bloom failed to noticed.

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  31. jf13 says:

    I think I am very nearly getting an age spot on my left hand. But my hand hairs have about 50 shades of gray; some of the longest ones have been white for years.

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  32. Yoda says:

    For women, niceness wth femininity is fungible with attractiveness.

    Women take note they should.
    So very true this is.

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  33. Liz says:

    JF13: “Running, and giggling, and whooping, with energy and fun. I bet if you had smiled nicely at the boy, and maybe had done the come-hither look or manhood-appraising peek over your sunglasses…”

    I would never have done that. First, it would have been rude as shite to my husband to flirt with a couple of teens. Second, I don’t doubt my sex appeal (even now, though I surely doubted it far less in my 20s). Again, it’s like losing something valuable…it’s not just sex appeal. I’m an artist, and I appreciate asthetics simply for the inherent value asthetics have. Beauty adds to the world. It’s not just a ‘sex’ thing.

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  34. Yoda says:

    Yes, then too. I have concluded that the reason so many women treat so many sick (and non-sick) “loved” ones so contemptuously is specifically to dissuade sexual interest.

    Or perhaps bitches they are.

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  35. SFC Ton says:

    King is a brilliant writer? Who knew? His books bored me.

    Liz is right beauty is a gift to the world yet the West has an unhealthy relationship with beauty. Hating it an tearing it down while oddly elevating it above its station and worshipping it

    I have spent a lot of time in hospitals recovering from wounds; I prefer male nurses…. though I have banged a lot of lady nurses over the years and have one next to me as I write

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  36. Yoda says:

    Patriarch missing it would seem.

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  37. jf13 says:

    re: it’s not just sex appeal

    Ok, although I’m not agreeing with the validity of the diminisher “just”.

    For richness and depth of beauty per se, a fading yellowed honeysuckle far surpasses a bit green but fertile honeysuckle.

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  38. Yoda says:

    Losing your looks (I’ve said this before) is like being rich and watching your money slow-leak out

    Most men have this luxury not.

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  39. Liz says:

    “Most men have this luxury not.”

    That’s true.
    But they have an abundance of other things that add to their personal value and those things tend to go up with time, rather than down (within reason…eventually all things fade of course). Looks and youth matter a great great deal more to women than men. Go to Heartiste and on the value scale, after 40 it’s the WAYSA standard for women. (sorry, Bloom….you should just not read this thread…take heart, my husband finds women very attractive into their 50s and beyond, if they take care of themselves).

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  40. Yoda says:

    as long as there is any value left, even that of a consumer, someone out there is going to flatter their egos and they will never quite hit the wall.

    Flattery limited in capablity it is.
    But it is enough it would seem.
    Need for validation goes on forever it would.

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  41. Liz says:

    Ton: “Liz is right beauty is a gift to the world yet the West has an unhealthy relationship with beauty. Hating it an tearing it down while oddly elevating it above its station and worshipping it

    +1 Here’s what I think, as a European-and-artist-at-heart on matters of beauty.
    There was a time when women understood the concept of ‘seasons in life’. There was an elegance to aging, and a beauty toward growing old in a graceful manner, sort of a the been-there-done that phase.

    Social media and the entertainment industry coupled with cosmetics and plastic surgery has given birth to the ‘you’ve still got it, GURL!!” at ridiculous ages. Madonna pretends she’s still 20 at 50+. It’s awful. I’m reminded of this scene with the club doorman ‘knocked up’. He was right. You’re old as fuck…I’d tap that, not old for the earth…but wtf are you thinking?:

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  42. jf13 says:

    re: “Most men have this luxury not.”

    Liz already made an analogy to money, which I also didn’t have when young, so it’s true I’m having a really hard time relating personally. The concept I understand of course, but empathy for the feewings remains elusive. Maybe some different analogy would help, but I’m drawing from a personally dry well here.

    Maybe the “glory day” high school footballer alpha jock dude would relate easier to women’s plight. Heh, heh, heh.

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  43. jf13 says:

    The inevitable coarsening of time does indeed *eventually* negatively affect men’s looks. But the vast majority of young men’s problems with women stem from not being coarse enough yet! But why aren’t more young women smart enough to snap up a too-nice babyfaced young man and treat him as if he’s the most masculine thing they’ve ever seen, since he will be soon enough?

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  44. Liz says:

    “Liz already made an analogy to money, which I also didn’t have when young, so it’s true I’m having a really hard time relating personally. The concept I understand of course, but empathy for the feewings remains elusive. Maybe some different analogy would help, but I’m drawing from a personally dry well here.”

    I think dementia is another analogy.
    You might not be able to relate, but pregnancy hormones made me feel like I had dementia so I can relate a little.

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  45. Liz says:

    “But why aren’t more young women smart enough to snap up a too-nice babyfaced young man and treat him as if he’s the most masculine thing they’ve ever seen, since he will be soon enough?”

    I was. I think they were back in the day (1950s and before)…1960s apparently killed it.

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  46. Liz says:

    Chatty Cathy, liz on this topic is. (really, my very least favorite subject)
    Going to sign off and write more story now, and clean the house like a good girl should.
    😉

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  47. jf13 says:

    Is there a relatable analogy for most men? As I mentioned I have a hard time scaring up empathy for a profligate rich boy like the Prodigal Son, although believe me I’ve tried. And I haven’t bothered trying to find empathy for an aging alpha’s having to move all the way up to 24 yr olds instead of 19 yr olds, because I know i will never find any.

    Also, is there a relatable analogy for women to their complete sexual disregard of most young men? No, the “dumb blonde” stereotype of incompetence doesn’t count.

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  48. Yoda says:

    But why aren’t more young women smart enough to snap up a too-nice babyfaced young man

    Helped him become a successful she did.
    Shared experience they had.

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  49. jf13 says:

    re: “I was. I think they were back in the day (1950s and before)”

    Yeah, I do think it was better that way then.

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  50. Yoda says:

    Women beauty handed to them it is.
    Just exist and soak up the benefits they do.
    Men have analogy not.

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  51. jf13 says:

    re: dementia

    Maybe a potential analogy in some regards, but, again, I never had the experience of my uber-nondementia being attractive. Girls evidently find truly demented young men much more sexually attractive than ultra-rational young men.

    But I definitely have slowly slipped. I used to be a lot smarter; sharper; faster. I’ve grown in synthetic ability, making new connections, but for new ideas my pace has slowed to where it needs assistance. But at least I haven’t really started to repeat myself all the time.

    re: dementia

    At least I haven’t really started to repeat myself all the time. And I don’t think it’s my dementia that makes me think I’ve been able to arouse a certain interest, yes a certain not an uncertain, in some young women less than a third my age. And others more than half my age.

    Given the expression “a woman of a certain age”, is the opposite “a woman of an uncertain age”?

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  52. Alana says:

    Arrh ageing will be alright, I’ve already decided to look like Shu Qi when I’m 38, and Madeline Stowe at 55. Lol :p

    Seriously though, I feared ageing at 20, then life gave me bigger problems to deal with. Most of us don’t wanna age, but it will be ok. It’s annoying though. Even at this fairly young age, I’ve already noticed my butt is not so super-perky as it naturally was at 20, so I’ve started to do squats. >.<

    A good thing about ageing is it encourages pple to achieve things in their lives that do last and are meaningful. Building a family, accomplishing things etc. It's a visible reminder of one's mortality and that u have limited things to do all the things u want. So u don't lie around all day thinking yourself a Thing of Beauty that is a Joy Forever and that that is enough.

    All that aside, I still don't wanna age. But it helps me accept the inevitable. :p

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  53. Liz says:

    “Women beauty handed to them it is.
    Just exist and soak up the benefits they do.
    Men have analogy not.”

    All genetics are handed to all of us, Yoda. (like OCDs and lazy-assedness, and prevaricating about what I’m gonna do, in my case, obviously)
    Analogies men do have. They just vary from person to person and not all men have all of them, or even any of them, and men have them at different times in life
    (money, looks, height, intelligence, yadda yadda)…but then, some women are never pretty either.
    They might be ‘good enough to bone’, for a pump and dump…but being a pump and dump for a woman is like getting friendzoned is to a man.

    Re: dementia and repeating, funny Jf13 🙂

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  54. Alana says:

    Liz “I’m an artist, and I appreciate asthetics simply for the inherent value asthetics have. Beauty adds to the world. It’s not just a ‘sex’ thing.”

    Yeah same here–except that I’m no artist. :p But I do prize the artistic part of beauty, too, and it’s a shame to know that will fade. Such is life.

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  55. jf13 says:

    re: “being a pump and dump for a woman is like getting friendzoned is to a man”

    Probably, mutatis mutandis. “I like you but not in that way.”

    I think we can all group hug in agreement that men are more likely to be smitten and prematurely offer commitment to a beautiful woman than “just” a sexy woman. But is a given man really more likely to attempt to pump and dump an older woman than a younger woman?

    I aks the hard queshuns, so’s yoy don’ have to.

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  56. Yoda says:

    Women as “sammich artists” like I do.

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  57. jf13 says:

    “It was this … where I cried. Not because it was immeasurably better-looking (though it was) …, but because it was the first time that the magnitude … hit me.”
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/htc-vive-virtualy-reality-hands-on,4102.html

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  58. Spawny Get says:

    The Queen backs UKIP! She’s out canvassing for them, no really…trust yer old Uncle Spawny

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  59. Yoda says:

    The Queen backs UKIP!

    Queen of UK she is.
    Wants to continue this she does.

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  60. I have never really worried about aging. Or my looks. My identity has always been based on who I am, not how I look. I also seem to be getting more attractive with age, I am not sure if it is confidence or feeling more comfortable with myself, or what. I am not afraid of it, except maybe the very old age part and failing health.

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  61. jf13 says:

    Should Alphas Be Bad Boys Or Betas? The answer seems mysterious to women.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/repairing-relationships/201503/should-men-be-bad-boys-or-dutiful-providers

    btw Barbara Dafoe Whitehead evidently suffers from classic apex fallacy: “Today’s single men can count on a pool of attractive peer women who are willing to sleep with them, compete over them, take care of them, spend money on them, and make no big demands of them.”

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  62. jf13 says:

    Woman’s only actual example of being rejected, having something to do with date rejections, is being rejected by other women.
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/getting-back-out-there/201503/rejection-and-dating

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  63. jf13 says:

    re: “I also seem to be getting more attractive with age, I am not sure if it is confidence or feeling more comfortable with myself, or what.”

    I don’t think it’s entirely a function of my own aging, but for a long time I have found that a woman is more attractive to me after she has borne a child. I’m sure that the details of that attraction are of no special interest to you, though.

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  64. Yoda says:

    “Today’s single men can count on a pool of attractive peer women who are willing to sleep with them, compete over them, take care of them, spend money on them, and make no big demands of them.”

    What planet from she is?
    Not Earth, Degoba or Tatooine it would be.

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  65. Liz says:

    I’d like to double ‘like’ your post, Bloom. That’s great.
    Not so with me! I didn’t even celebrate turning 21. I thought that was old then.

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  66. theasdgamer says:

    On youth, or the appearance thereof. A woman my daughter’s age told me that I don’t look old enough to have a daughter her age. I think that an elf must have crept into the woodpile somewhere along the line.

    Somehow, I don’t think that any of the women will find this factoid interesting. Might spark some envy.

    Check out Rollo’s maxim about nothing being more threatening to women and at the same time more compelling than a man who knows his own value to women.

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  67. @ jf13, I do think that after becoming a mother I also felt more attractive, or sure of myself, or something. It certainly (or hopefully should) develop character traits I don’t see how someone could gain any other way. Like being able to put someone besides yourself first, delayed gratification, being a guide and teacher, etc.

    @ Liz, I am sure you look amazing! And you are amazing as a person as well. The whole package. You will age gracefully and well. 🙂

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  68. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    That clip from “Knocked Up” does help illustrate my point. That vain, conceited b***ch never had her attitude checked by aging.
    That character was such a stinker!
    Could it be that what the guys want is a little humility?

    Spawny Get,
    She’s campaigning for UKIP? Yoda is right. Preserve family business, since 1066.

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  69. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    You have a talent for picking video links. “Godzilla” was a great demonstration of blind rage.

    Oh no, there goes Tokyo!
    Godzilla!

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  70. jf13 says:

    Quick poll of the men, although I’m certain of the answer. Isn’t it the no-babies-until-extra-points-for-difficulty career woman, trying to hold on to 16 as long as she can, who splats most messily on the Wall? Isn’t the Wall a lot kinder to the mother who’s had a kid or two or three by 29?

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  71. @jf13 I had my kids at 33 and 40, late bloomer!

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  72. @ Fuzzie glad you enjoyed it! I can remember watching Godzilla on TV as a kid!

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  73. Yoda says:

    Green Godzilla is.
    Verde that should be.

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  74. jf13 says:

    Off topic.
    http://www.drpsychmom.com/2014/11/17/get-husband-less-passive/
    Suggestion #1 on how mom can force dad to try to be in charge.
    “1. Be direct. Say, “I’ve realized our dynamic has become me telling you what to do and you doing it. [And you robbed me of the joy of fighting by doing things out of love for me.] But now it is frustrating for me. [So I’m asking you, no I’m TELLING you, you moron, you better not do what I say any longer!] If I act critical of your attempts, let me know and I will try to stop. [Ha ha lolz etc]”

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  75. jf13 says:

    “Relaxin’s peak is reached during the 14 weeks of the first trimester and at delivery. It is known to mediate the hemodynamic changes that occur during pregnancy, such as increased cardiac output, increased renal blood flow, and increased arterial compliance. It also relaxes other pelvic ligaments.”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relaxin

    Maybe it’s the increased arterial compliance that does it for me.

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  76. Liz says:

    She was a stinker of a character, Fuzzie, and sums the whole b*tch hitting-wall-thing well.

    ‘@ Liz, I am sure you look amazing! And you are amazing as a person as well. The whole package. You will age gracefully and well.”

    Aw, thanks Bloom. 🙂
    I look pretty good now, but I’m enough of a realist to know that soon it will be “good for my age”.
    And “looking good” is to “looking good for my age” what lightening is to lightening bug. 😛

    But my husband and I are aging pretty well. He looks ten years older than I do (he’s only three years older,,,squee! I try to keep stress in his life high and it’s paying off..JK), but ten years younger than most of his cohort. I like the salty-old-guy look though, and most women do. Men are lucky that way. I think he looks at least as good or better now than he ever has.
    🙂

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  77. thedeti says:

    jf13:

    My experience is that the ladies whose appointments with The Wall are messiest, are those who:

    1. Didn’t take care of themselves as younger women (chronic and heavy use of intoxicants, heavy smoking, overweight, poor sleep habits); or

    2. Naturally given to sour, pessmistic dispositions; or

    3. Just bad luck of the draw on genetics.

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  78. Yoda says:

    4. Veganism a problem it would be.
    Makes skin “leathery” it does.

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  79. thedeti says:

    Thoughts on The Wall:

    Every woman– EVERY woman — hits The Wall.

    When a woman reaches a point in her life when she can no longer attract the attention of the men who used to approach her for sex; when the men she is really attracted to no longer seek her out; and when she must downgrade herself to a lower tier of men for male attention, a woman can be said to have “hit The Wall”.

    Also, when her body has markedly less resilience and doesn’t bounce back as easily from partying and sex; when hangovers become more frequent; when she starts developing aches and pains where she didn’t before, when her knees are hurting her; when she starts having to work increasingly harder to maintain her weight; or she’s developing flab and paunch around the abs and ass, she can be said to have “hit The Wall”.

    “Hitting The Wall” is usually a slow motion process. But in looking at age progression photos of the same woman, one can roughly pinpoint when a woman has hit The Wall.

    There are micro-changes in a woman’s face and body that indicate Wall impact. Men seem to be very good at seeing them.

    1. Paunch in the lower abdomen. More weight in the FUPA (fatty upper pelvic area).
    2. The buttocks sag and flatten.
    3. Breasts sag; stretch marks in breasts, even a hair or two at the nipple.
    4. Femstache (that little bit of peach fuzz or even a few dark hairs between nose and mouth).
    5. Lips thin out and get paler.
    6. Eyes narrow, look glassier. Crow’s feet at the eyes. Eyelashes thin out.
    7. Nose enlarges and lengthens.
    8. Chin lengthens.
    9. Ears enlarge.
    10. Hair growth at chin, in and around ears, jaw line, sideburns.
    11. Facial skin loose, sagging, mottled, blotchy.
    12. Fat deposits on face.

    All of these changes are very, very slight, and men can see them very well.

    This link has a pre-Wall and post-Wall photo of the famous National Geographic girl. On the left, she’s about 14. On the right, she’s about 30.

    http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2002/04/afghan-girl/index-text

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  80. thedeti says:

    More thoughts on The Wall:

    It’s a spectrum, not a point.

    I’ve seen women as young as 25 hit The Wall. But I’ve seen a very few women in their 50s who don’t seem to have hit it yet.

    There are a lot of women who can get into their 40s and still stave off The Wall. There are more of these women than most men think. A woman who takes care of herself, keeps her weight down, avoids smoking, and eats well, can easily make it to 40 before hitting The Wall.

    Black women as a rule have better facial complexions than white women, Latinas, or Asian women. Black don’t crack, so I’m told.

    “Hitting The Wall” and “no longer attractive to men” are not the same thing. There are lots and lots and LOTS of women who are past The Wall and are still attractive — they are just LESS attractive than they were before. And post -Wall women are still able to attract men into their 40s and 50s. It’s just that they cannot attract the same caliber of man they were accustomed to attracting as younger women.

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  81. jf13 says:

    I’m not very sure, but I speculate that the Wall is so-named because women tend to run into it unexpectedly, like they were just tootling along and everything seemed fine and unchanged until wham! I think it is at this time (which, as we’ve discussed, tends to be near to but not exactly at age 30.0 to any precision) that women first really notice that men their own age (and younger) are finding much younger women more attractive.

    So it makes sense that already-unattractive women lose out most, in the sense that what little attractiveness they had was entirely tied up in their youthful bloom (no pun). A 30 yr old punk emo goth chick is already past her “use by” expiration date, even though some heavy marinating and deep frying can make the off taste maybe not too bad, maybe like a Crunchy Chick
    http://fable.wikia.com/wiki/Crunchy_Chick
    but a 40 yr old punk emo goth hen probably needs her freezer-burned carcass disposed of in hazardous waste.

    In contrast, I steadily maintain, a 40 yr old mom can about as easily maintain her attractiveness to her husband as she did when she was a 30 yr old mom.

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  82. Liz says:

    “This link has a pre-Wall and post-Wall photo of the famous National Geographic girl. On the left, she’s about 14. On the right, she’s about 30.”

    She must’ve had a very very very hard life. 😦

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  83. Cill says:

    Choose your grandparents wisely. My maternal great grandmother is a tall, straight, striking-looking woman in her nineties. All her female progeny are as beautiful as the males are craggy. My mother and her sisters look young enough to be my older sisters and are still as beautiful as Molly. And Liz has a long way to go before the wall. 😉

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  84. thedeti says:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/the-wall-in-fast-forward/

    Time lapse video showing a woman aging from age 3 to about age 70.

    IMO, the woman is at peak attractiveness from 1:55 to about 2:32. (probably age 19 to age 25) Roissy says Wall impact is between 2:59 and 3:14 (age 38-43, probably)

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  85. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Your country is going to have to dump the EU. This is getting out of hand and teir parliament has no responsibilities to their constituancy.
    This is anything but a republic.
    They will not stop until they “federalize” all of Europe.
    Oh, and did I mention that they are owned by feminists?

    http://theantifeminist.com/femislamization-latest-france-to-make-it-illegal-for-women-to-dress-like-prostitutes/

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  86. I would agree every woman hits the wall, some earlier and harder than others. With age hopefully comes wisdom and grace, other things that have appeal. But yes, best to meet your someone you g, get the wife goggles on, and work to bring happiness to your relationship. Be a woman he can’t wait to get home to.

    I tend to have a serious nature, am crabby when under stress. I could lighten it up a bit. I do think the stress and pressure of my ex fiance’s grand plan brought out that side of me. Not good. I wish we could have just relaxed, enjoyed our good fortune of finding each other, not been in such a hurry to add debt and stress and complexity to it. I tried to explain all that…but… I just want to snuggle up w my somebody, relax, enjoy… Hopefully some day…

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  87. theasdgamer says:

    @ Bloom

    Re: snuggling with a husband (as opposed to wanting to bang his bones)

    I refer you to Rollo’s latest post:

    http://therationalmale.com/2015/03/31/wives-lovers

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  88. theasdgamer says:

    Good comments, deti!

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  89. theasdgamer says:

    With the intersection of the inevitability of the the Wall and the uncommonness of sweetness in the testosterone-deficient sex, I see a preponderance of witches in our future.

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  90. Gamer snuggling *after* a rousing go was kinda implied there… Yeesh! Use your imagination!

    I am (not) laslo.

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  91. Cill says:

    Bloom, it’s good doing that. I can’t do it until afterwards, or the urge would drive me mad. Women like to lie on top of me, side of face against my chest even when it’s nothing to do with sex.

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  92. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Witches? Did someone say “witches”?

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  93. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Your two methods of conducting business are not compatible. That, by itself, would have made things miserable.
    You’re on the mend. Not as angry as yesterday.

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  94. Sumo says:

    I shall now upset all of the ladies in attendance:

    This year, I shall be hitting the big 4-0. People who meet me for the first time tend to think that I have yet to hit the not-so-big 3-0.

    Asian genes, y’all. Almost makes up for the penis thing.

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  95. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I should make a concession here. Yes, all women will have to deal with “The Wall” or the loss of the bloom of youth. However, this does not automatically lend itself to a greater sense of humility and cooperativeness in dealing with men.

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  96. The wall seems to coincide in what men have told me is when “the thirst” is no longer their driving force. Coinky dink?

    Men and women still seem to desire each other’s company past reproduction potential, this leads me to believe reproduction is not the only draw… Maybe they need each other beyond that?

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  97. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I do have trouble with coincidence. You may have something there.

    I think that these weaker attractive forces could work in the absense of contempt that feminism brings. We would be treating each other as human beings and with respect.

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  98. Farm Boy says:

    New post is up

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  99. Nataliya Kochergova says:

    I make art too, and see things from the artistic perspective. But standard female beauty bores me, from an artistic point of view (from a sexual point of view, it doesn’t bore me). I think feminists and similar people hate beauty because they overrate it.

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  100. SFC Ton says:

    Life in the A-stan is crushing so I don’t think the photos of that girl are useful.

    Here in the usa, with Pinehurst and other Old Southern Money towns right down the road from me, there really is no shortage of 40 year old women who still look tight and right. Raleigh is right up the road from me, and expect for attitudes and bitch faces of the UMC women there is no shortage of bangable 40 year old women.

    No doubt the wall is real but much of the man o sphere wall talk seems like revenge of the beta mental masturbation…. same with alphas getting them comeuppance

    Inner beauty is a weird thing. A buddy of mine became a Pastor of a real wrath of God, fire and brimstone old school church and married an ok looking girl who doesn’t wear make up yet she is damn near radiant and my MD, elderly and ill, always lifts my spirits

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  101. SFC Ton says:

    While much delayed I think the wall is less kind to Asian women in the end.

    I was horrified how fast the transition went while I was in Hawaii

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  102. jf13 says:

    Afghan girl may have been 11 in the original, and may be 28 in the older photo.

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  103. jf13 says:

    The point I was trying to make is that a 30 yr old mom looks fine, looking like she “should” at her age, and at 40 yrs old that mom simply looks like her kid is 10 yrs older.

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  104. jf13 says:

    One of the several links I remember I earlier tried to post in comments was to Crunchy Chick, the evil snack of Fable. I think that comment had something to do with a 30 yr old hen trying to hold on to 16 as long as you can.

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  105. jf13 says:

    redpillgirl noted the “coincidence”, which I will try to draw out. Please correct as needed. She posits that it is primarily the limitations of older male libido that makes older women less attractive than younger women, in other (Wall-related) words that older male libido hits some Ceiling. I conclude she is wrong.

    The men here of peer age with post-Wall women agree that (at whatever individual age it occurs) the Wall happens. But younger men whose female peers are well pre-Wall even MORE agree that the Wall happens. The actual phenomenology of male desire is the opposite of what she posits.

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  106. @ jf13 I wasn’t saying hat women are less attractive bc a Man’s lowered libido. I am saying that once both transition from the reproduction years into the pre-golden to golden years, the thirst slackens, her hormonal mix changes, they still like each other and sex, but the relationship is about more than that. Companionship, etc. and most hopefully *not* sexless companionship, too!

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  107. @ fuzzie true not as angry as yesterday, not as sad either. I have started turning my attentions to other things, am walking every day, meditating on spiritual things, taking a fresh look at the biz and my plans for the season (rather than the ex’s plan) reaching out to friends, reading, healing…moving forward…

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  108. jf13 says:

    re: “the thirst slackens” pregolden

    Nah. Otherwise men wouldn’t marry. Period. Any somewhat reasonably healthy man in his 40s 50s 60s etc can do two or more women every day for years on end.

    I do think a whole lot of men are walking around both socially punished for their libido and physically depleted of libido because of excessive masturbation in the recent past.

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  109. @jf13 this is just why I have been told, that around age 45 men find they are less “driven” by sex, they still think about it and want it, but not as mind addling strongly? I am not saying it’s true, just its been said. as a woman, I wouldn’t know.

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  110. theasdgamer says:

    @ RPG

    “Companionship”

    For most “golden years” marriages this means…

    Sex once or twice a month for the husband, if at all, per CDC…the wife gets sex mostly from men outside if she even gets it…sometimes, the husband also goes outside for sex

    Husband brings home bacon

    Husband gives wife backrubs

    Husband takes wife to movies and dinner

    Cuddling

    Cruises

    Vacations

    Your “transition” is just feminine bull5h1t to excuse her lack of attraction to her husband. Same with companionship. Marriage 2.0 is not a win for men.

    If a man “slows down”, it’s from 5 times a day to once every 2 days, not once a month like the wife prefers. She would prefer no sex with her beta schlub husband and sex with alphas.

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  111. jf13 says:

    It was the ancient old guy Cephalus who first remarked, in The Republic, on his old age finally decreasing male libido down from mind-addlingness, although he counted it as a blessing (probably because there were so few outlets …). Socrates, in his 50s, regarded Cephalus as having been an old man for decades already, so I’m presuming Cephalus was at least in his 80s.

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  112. jf13 says:

    Keep in mind the mode of sexual frequency in golden years marriages is still “a few times per month”, the same mode as for marriages four decades younger. It’s not the men’s Ceiling that affects ANYTHING.

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  113. jf13 says:

    I do think the vast majority of men, in their lives of quiet sexual desperation, eventually find that their universal continual sexual deprivation over decade upon decade upon decade eventually takes its toll.

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  114. Yoda says:

    Socrates died of an overdose of wedlock he did.

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  115. Spawny Get says:

    A fine vintage

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  116. Yoda says:

    their universal continual sexual deprivation over decade upon decade upon decade eventually takes its toll

    In what way wonder I do.

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  117. jf13 says:

    re: “In what way wonder I do”

    As tasdg mentioned, resentment at being forced into the doghouse of “companionship” is one way. Resentment at being forced to try to appreciate the crumbs under the table, at being made guilty for not being thankful enough for the tiny portions of microwaved leftovers, maybe shrinks appetite more effectively than stomach stapling.

    As I’ve said many times already, I conclude this is the *reason* for women’s atrocious behaviors: to try to make the men want less sex.

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  118. jf13 says:

    “After twenty years of me turning him down a lot, he doesn’t ask as often anymore. His libido must have decreased.”

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  119. Yoda says:

    “After twenty years of me turning him down a lot, he doesn’t ask as often anymore. His libido must have decreased.”

    Hamsters always busy they are.

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  120. Yoda says:

    Oprah biggest hamster ever she is.

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  121. jf13 says:

    I am aware that women are not necessarily aware of their own behaviors, their motivations for their behaviors, nor the effects of their behaviors. Like all aspects of concealed ovulation, it makes sense evolutionarily for women to be less aware in order for them to be more controlled by their biology. In one of the Psychology Today linked comments I made yesterday that got lost in the ether, I referenced an article from Juliana Breines saying:
    “It’s important to note that when people experience these types of romantic instincts, they aren’t typically aware of why they are experiencing them. Women aren’t thinking, “I’m ovulating, so I should probably hook up with that masculine looking guy and trick my husband into thinking it’s his,” and men aren’t thinking, “wow, that girl looks really fertile today!” ”

    I would warn any woman from drawing conclusions based on projection from her own lack of thinking.

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  122. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It does worry me that all mmay be as bad as Jf13 and Gamer paint it. Curious that there aren’t that many academic studies that would confirm or deny anecdotes. Could it be that, for woeen, being reputed to be cold is a more powerful position than being impossiblee?
    Late divorcees do want a “do-over”.

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  123. jf13 says:

    @FuzzieWuzzie, re: impossible being less powerful than improbable

    I think the relevant psychological concepts are intermittency and extinction.

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  124. Yoda says:

    Curious that there aren’t that many academic studies that would confirm or deny anecdotes.

    Political incorectness punished ruthlessly it is.
    Consider situation in Indiana you should.

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  125. jf13 says:

    re: “Curious that there aren’t that many academic studies that would confirm or deny anecdotes.”

    Not really. Decades ago it was decided that anyone who suggested women OUGHT to engage in sex more often just because their husbands wanted it was promoting rape.

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  126. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    SfcTon’s observation of 40+ women in his nearest metro area brings to mind that there are limits to male libido. These women have it on appearance but lose on attitude.

    What I kep hearing is that modern women aren’t all that interested in in sex, they just want the benefits that come with being attractive.
    Back to the cave to think on that for a while.

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  127. Yoda says:

    What I keep hearing is that modern women aren’t all that interested in in sex, they just want the benefits that come with being attractive.

    Be pretty.
    Soak up benefits.
    Easy life this is.
    State enabled it would be.

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  128. I would very much disagree that modern women aren’t interested in sex. I do know many marriages are practically sexless, and that is not good. Once a month is not good. Ideally in marriage it’s happening daily, or if not that 2-3 times a week at the least. By daily I mean a mix up of quickies and some more drawn out sessions. Sex bonds a couple, they should both work to keep that connection strong! IMHO.

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  129. jf13 says:

    The algorithm, trained on thousands of faces, works well for a particular population.
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27271-eek-how-your-face-reveals-your-bodys-real-age.html

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  130. SFC Ton says:

    I don’t know what to say about older male libido… I tend to think dudes don’t need virga but something younger and hotter. I’m near on 45 & not notice a decrease in sex drive…. but I run tess damn near year round and have the kind of lifestyle they tell me to live to naturally increase testosterone

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  131. jf13 says:

    I don’t think male sex drive is affected by age unless overall health is affected.

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  132. Alana says:

    Oops, this discussion seems semi-over, but FWIW I hear a majority of guys do have a decrease in libido from 40+ onwards. It may not be age per se, but other age-related factors. And a decline in libido doesn’t mean they need drugs though, or that they can’t have a healthy sex drive, but I do believe generally there is a decrease. My bf is late 40s and he definitely has a healthy drive. 😉

    He looks at least a decade younger than his age, and I’m trying to learn from that. He eats v little junk food (-sniffs-, I love my McDonalds), does yoga (he used to do other exercises, but had joint injuries) and takes care of his skin. He’s had less healthy habits though, like a love for hard partying though it’s decreased over time.

    The thing that amazes me the most is he can stay up as late as much younger folks. Many pple I know seem to suddenly be unable to stay up past midnight once they’re like early 30s. He has no problem staying up till 2 or 3am semi-regularly, even if he woke up early that day and has to wake up early the next day.

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  133. Alana says:

    jf13 “So it makes sense that already-unattractive women lose out most, in the sense that what little attractiveness they had was entirely tied up in their youthful bloom”.

    That’s true; I remember being shocked to find Sarah Jessica Parker was quite cute in her younger days. Not trying to be mean, but as she got older, that’s when her lack of classically-beautiful features became more obvious.

    That said, I’ve found that those who age the very best are rarely the ones who were most beautiful in their youth. Perhaps God is fairer than he seems, lol.

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  134. theasdgamer says:

    @ Fuzzie

    Could it be that, for woeen, being reputed to be cold is a more powerful position than being impossiblee?

    Being covertly cold is a position of power. Being overtly cold will get women shamed by the herd since it deprives women of the carrot lure and power over men once the truth is out.

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  135. theasdgamer says:

    @ RPG

    I would very much disagree that modern women aren’t interested in sex.

    With alpha lovers, sure. With beta schlub husbands, not so much.

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  136. SFC Ton says:

    Given the safe,sedate and pussifed life of most men, I imagine the testosterone levels of most men are pretty darn low and their sex drive would correspond.

    If golf is exercise its likely your dick is in the dirt.

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  137. Ton, true it could be an attraction factor. But for let’s say a monogamous married couple, getting some fresh on the side usually isn’t an option. Another reason to work hard to keep the attraction strong, not take it for granted.

    And it is possible, I know some couples that are over 70, together for life, and they still look at each other with a wink in their eye. I am sure they are still getting it on!

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  138. @ gamer, well a woman should not marry a man she is not attracted to, full stop. Not fair to anyone.

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  139. …and I am not so sure I would even say women can’t be or aren’t attracted to betas, sexually. Only alphas. Like Farm Boy describes his parents, said his dad was beta, said his mom was happy and they were happy. I sometimes think people confuse beta with omega, as in very few women would or could be attracted.

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  140. thedeti says:

    I’m 46. My libido has changed only in that I don’t think about sex every minute or so as I’ve gotten older. That’s just gradually changed. I do still desire sex every day and take advantage of it every chance I get (2-3x/week).

    My experience seems typical of most middle aged men I’ve talked to — they don’t think about it every minute like they did when they were 18, but they still want to have sex every day and would if it were available.

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  141. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Theasdgamer at 8:00pm,
    I think that sums it up. It greives me to turn cynical about all this but, too many women are relying on decieving their husbands. This is making a mess for straight shooters lioke Bloom.
    Too much of this is coming to light. Something like seventy percent of men 20 to 34 are unmarried and fifty of those 20 to 54. They’re not all being put on the shelf by alpha chasers.

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  142. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Just thought of an addendum. That Japanese herbivores comprise about two thirds of young men there is NOT a reaction to feminism. That marriage in Japan is generally seen as being without sex may have something to do with it.

    I do remember a recent survey. 45% of women and 28% of men aren’t interested.
    http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/young-japanese-women-becoming-less-interested-in-sex-survey-says

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  143. theasdgamer says:

    @ RPG

    Like Farm Boy describes his parents, said his dad was beta, said his mom was happy and they were happy.

    Sure, back in the days of the Patriarchy, when men had higher status as a group. Betas were attractive back then. Not so much any more.

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  144. theasdgamer says:

    @ RPG

    well a woman should not marry a man she is not attracted to, full stop. Not fair to anyone.

    That eliminates about 80% of men nowadays. The betas, which encompasses all the non-alphas.

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  145. theasdgamer says:

    @ Fuzzie

    I do remember a recent survey. 45% of women and 28% of men aren’t interested.

    Why do we believe women’s self-reporting?

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  146. Cill says:

    asd, do women get oxytocin sickness as much as men?

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  147. Spawny Get says:

    Catch me in a charitable mood and I might regard the male reports as a rough guide to their general feeling. As for the ladies I’m afraid that I’ll take that as a rough guide to probably how they might be feeling at the moment they’re asked assuming they believe it’s anonymous and a lie detector test is imminent.

    Shirley the nawalt is implicit, but given earlier crap I’ll make it explicit.

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  148. theasdgamer says:

    And don’t call me Shirley.

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  149. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    From what I see, women get over it a lot faster than men do. Men have the Oneitis problem a lot more, I think. Oneitis has its roots in oxytocin. The way to beat Oneitis is to follow the philosophy–“Love the one you’re with.” And be with lots of women.

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  150. Cill says:

    Is passionate love possible without oxytocin…

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  151. Cill says:

    …that’s the burning question.

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  152. @ cill I am not sure re oxitocin but I do know it is released both at female orgasm and after giving birth. For women anyway, both produce an almost amnesia, an “I’d do it all over again in a second” for example after laboring 36 hours w back labor (9 on a 10 scale from minute one) and that post trauma oxitocin blast to this day binds me forever to give my very life in exchange if needed for that now 10 year old, even when she is being moody. Not sure if that’s helpful, but that is what I know about that. (And orgasams are good but do not have the same magnitude is amnesia… Not that it’s about orgasams but let’s all be real here, they don’t hurt…”

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  153. I don’t know if that makes any sense, even to myself.

    Oxitocin is meant to create binds. Binds that are intense. I think humans are made to bond. Perhaps current so either tries to separate the feeling from the bonding?if so, not good. If anything we are today bonding retards. That, IMHO, is at least part of the problem.

    But I am (not) laslo so what do I know? Laslo??? Jump I w you Scarlett Johanson naked story that illustrates at any time…

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  154. Cill says:

    “Perhaps current so either tries to separate the feeling from the bonding?”
    Could you clarify, Bloom?

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  155. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    What’s all this about Scarlett Johanson’s naked story? While I think she is good looking, Farm Boy may have a crush on her. He likes me to link this.

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  156. Sorry cill, that was a typo.. Should have read ” perhaps current culture tries to separate the feeling from the bonding.

    @ fuzzie look up “I am laslo” he is a troll on a blog but it’s pretty funny, but then again I thought so while just dumped and sleep deprived and just doing anything but thinking… So I am not sure I would vouch for it under normal conditions. He tells a lot of stories about himself and Scarlett Johnson naked, to illustrate (or distract) from the point of the blog he trolls.

    Don’t judge me bc of laslo. I was under duress…

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  157. This is his blog:
    http://iamlaslo.blogspot.com

    This is the blog he trolls:
    http://althouse.blogspot.com

    His blog is good reading alone but in context of the comments on the other blog… I dunno maybe it’s me but I found it very… Something… (After just getting dumped and sleep deprived and nothing made sense well at least I am not laslo??? I dunno, it was oddly comforting somehow. Thank you laslo for your rantings…they somehow normalize a very abnormal world. I hope it’s hyperbole, which of course is a great way to deal with an otherwise f*ed up beyond return situation/world/culture/moment of time.

    Someone has to say it, thank you laslo!

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  158. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    While I don’t know much about laslo, here is something about Simka.

    The only other thing that I am aware of Carol Kane doing is playing the part of the Ghost of Christmas Future with Bill Murray in Scrooged. She is brilliant there too.

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  159. Simka is refreshingly innocent compared to laslo. Poor laslo, he is so jaded…

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  160. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    Why do you want to love passionately? Passionate love makes men weak (think “leg-humping puppies”) and we know that women despise weakness in men.

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  161. Cill says:

    Make that passionate physical love.

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  162. Liz says:

    I don’t know what the problem is with oxytocin, or passion. Passion isn’t weak or unmanly…as long as one isn’t weak or unmanly about it. There’s actually a correlation between high testosterone levels associated with doing manly shite (taking risks/hunting/et al) and increased oxytocin levels.
    http://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/03/19/study-hunting-increases-levels-of-love-hormones-in-men/

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  163. Tarnished says:

    @jf13

    “The concept I understand of course, but empathy for the feewings remains elusive.”

    Likewise on my part.
    While I can sympathize, there’s nothing in my own experiences to empathize with.
    Closest thing I can relate to would be Alzheimers, as 3 people very close to me have died from that, all of them relatives. The fear of losing my mind, my “me-ness”, is so far beyond the “fear” of losing my “looks” that the latter is barely a blip on the radar.

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  164. Tarnished says:

    @jf13

    How do you personally tell if a woman has had kids or not? Is it that you’re more attracted to a 30+ women when you see her with tots in tow VS when you see her walking alone? Maybe your brain thinks of her as more fertile…

    Btw, hello everyone. 🙂

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  165. Spawny Get says:

    Great to see you back Tarn.

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  166. Liz says:

    Hi Tarn!!
    WB 🙂

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  167. Tarnished says:

    Thanks, Spawny.
    Woke up early this morning and thought I’d check on things.

    More re: the Wall/ageing
    While genetics does play a part, one’s way of life is a bigger indicator. I’m 31 this year, and this past month have been asked out by a 22 year old man, a 33 year old man, a 39 year old woman, and a 25 year old man. Each person told me they thought I was 23 or 24…the 22 year old was most disappointed of them all, as he thought he recognized me from his college campus and believed we’d have a lot in common. Poor dear.

    Anyway, there’s numerous things that can be done (by men and women alike) to stay youthful looking longer, should that be their wish. Not surprisingly, most of these are just what healthy people do in daily life.
    -Drinking a decent amount of water each day does wonders. Keeps you hydrated, your skin doesn’t get dry/flaky in the winter, bags under your eyes disappear, and abdominal water retention fades.
    -Take vitamins. Should be obvious. Gives your body more to work with. Just don’t overdo it…it is possible to OD on certain vitamins/minerals.
    -Vegetarian is fine, vegan…meh. As our dear Yoda pointed out above, vegans tend to have poor skin. I’ve also noticed that the ones I know get sick significantly more often than the average person. Now, it could be that they aren’t doing it right, but I’m leaning more towards the fact they have *no* animal products in their diet. I may not eat seafood, poultry, fish, pork, beef, etc. but I do still eat cage/antibiotic free milk, eggs, yogurt, and honey from the farms around me. Certain vitamins (the B’s come to mind immediately) are hard to get enough of purely from plant sources.
    -No smoking. Duh.
    -Get enough sleep. People who have trouble getting the right amount of rest for their bodies are more likely to be stressed, and more likely to retain weight.
    -Eat enough. This is something I’ve always struggled with. Growing up, my stepfather used to constantly tease me about getting fat because I enjoy eating…even though I was very active as a preteen and teen. Though I was never truly anorexic, I was 15 lbs under a healthy weight when I was 14 (and he still mocked me). However, if you don’t eat enough calories your body can go into starvation mode and keep the fat on your frame longer. It’s a vicious cycle that can be fixed by eating small portions of granola, trail mix, edaname, or other high protein snacks throughout the day.
    -Only drink alcohol moderately. I only drink when at fancy/long dinners with friends, and even then it’s 1 glass. This concept of getting drunk off one’s ass every weekend is just stupid, and it puts lots of empty calories around your gut. Not to mention your poor liver, and the threat of doing something you didn’t actually want to. The fuck happened to self-moderation?
    -Exercise. Two weeks ago, I started a plan of doing 150 sit-ups every morning and walking 11,000 steps a day to get rid of my extra 6 lbs of winter weight. Coupled with drinking 3 glasses of green/oolong tea every day…the results have been great. I’ve lost about 1.3 lbs each week, and am ramping back up to my Spring energy levels. Now if only it would stop frickin snowing… 😉 But yeah, exercise is a good thing! Too many Americans simply don’t do enough of it, and it shows.

    Liz, any health tips you would add?

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  168. Cill says:

    Hello stranger (Tarn)!

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  169. Liz says:

    “Liz, any health tips you would add?”

    I like your tips, Tarn! 🙂
    The only thing I’d change…situps are kind of hard on the back, and I’ve noticed (on me anyway…but I’ve had babies) they kind of ‘build’ muscle instead of streamline things.

    I recommend the plank pose and boat pose (and once you’re really up to it, a good one is the lotus pose, or crossed legs and lift your body off the ground with your hands for as long as you can…I’m up to a little over a minute).

    I do the plank for about three minutes, not six!: http://tribesports.com/challenges/hold-the-plank-pose-for-6-minutes

    I don’t know how long I do the boat for, I don’t time it…and haven’t done it in a while (switched to the sitting/lifting body thing). http://www.yogamagazine.com/anatomy-of-full-boat-pose/

    I’ve had a line down my stomach most of my life, still have it…this works.

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  170. Liz says:

    Found a picture of the third one. Guess it’s called the scale pose. This one is awesome (and very tiring!) 🙂 You guys should try this. 😛

    http://www.popsugar.com/fitness/Strike-Yoga-Pose-Lifted-Lotus-862999

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  171. Cill says:

    I eat seafoods and red meat and all my fruit and vege is home grown and chemical free. All my food is fresh and qualifies as organic.

    I get plenty of exercise from my daily activities. (I see NZ Caucasian men have bucked the world wide trend and actually have more exercise than their grandfathers did.)

    I don’t get enough sleep though. It’s 2 to 3 days since I last slept.

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  172. Tarnished says:

    Cill,

    I’m sure you’ve earned a rest by now, my friend!

    Liz,
    I like to build a bit of muscle after the winter months, that’s why I do them. But yes…yoga is far superior if you want a streamlined shape! I’ll have to try some of the ones you spoke of. Trying new things is fun. 🙂

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  173. Cill says:

    I’m going to try to take that rest. Don’t know if it will work. Tentative goodnight.

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  174. Liz says:

    G’night, sleep tight, Cill! 🙂

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  175. jf13 says:

    re: moms I like

    It’s before/after that’s most noticable (besides tots in tow). The joints move differently, hips are different (not just wider), looks like she belongs in bed …

    To me, the difference between a nulliparous girl and her as a mom is probably akin to the difference between a nerdy boy and his time-ruggedized self a decade later.

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  176. Liz says:

    “It’s before/after that’s most noticable (besides tots in tow). The joints move differently, hips are different (not just wider), looks like she belongs in bed …”

    Hee hee. Maybe it’s the disheveled appearance, Jf13. 😛

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  177. theasdgamer says:

    I don’t know what the problem is with oxytocin, or passion.

    Since you’ve probably never been friendzoned, I can understand your lack of empathy.

    Oneitis is based on an oxytocin addiction to a particular face. If a man isn’t in a sexual relationship with the woman owning the face, this can be a big problem.

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  178. theasdgamer says:

    Make that passionate physical love.

    No more than once per week, and avoid looking at her face very much, since that’s the addiction trigger. Those long convos where you stare into one another’s eyes are problematic. Spin a few plates. Avoid Oneitis. Doesn’t necessarily mean that you are having sex with all your plates.

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  179. theasdgamer says:

    Re hunting study

    I suspect that the testosterone/oxytocin spikes have more to do with physical activity than hunting per se. My wall climbing was intense in terms of fear of falling and muscular exertion and it likely had the same impact as hunting. That would perhaps explain some of my experiences Sat. night when dancing.

    Hunting, in the sense of sitting in a blind to ambush prey, likely doesn’t spike hormonal levels.

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  180. theasdgamer says:

    With situps, don’t rush them. Maintain a good posture to avoid back strains. Like all things, stretch those muscles after a workout.

    Abs on a woman are sexy.

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  181. I hate to admit I don’t exercise or diet, but I do eat healthy foods (because I happen to like them) and in moderation. I do drink alcohol but in moderation, mostly wo all the added chemicals and stuff in large scale commercial production. I do a lot of physical labor as part of my biz, so that seems to keep me fit. I could probably do better, I have been considering taking up yoga. I get bored very easily with treadmills and machines and the like, I’d rather go for a hike, bike, walk, climb, swim, etc. “Real world” exercise. I build muscle fairly easily, if I lifted weights I am sure I would see quick results and I probably should be doing some resistance training so I have good muscle reserve going into my golden years. I don’t really use any special skincare regime or buy expensive beauty products. I guess I am not convinced they really work, or are worth the money. I seem to look about the same as people who do spend money on all that. Well, except I grew up in Arizona so I do notice more sun lines than people who grew up in the cloudy NW, but I moved here at 19 so when I see my friends who stayed in AZ and have been tanning all these years, wow, they look much older, much, much older than me. Some of it is genetic too, I have very elastic skin, not the crepe papery kind that some women unfortunately seem to have. I agree water is important, I could be better about that too. Moderation is kind of my approach, don’t obsess but don’t abuse myself either. It seems to be working.

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  182. Alana says:

    @the deti: wrt your 1 Apr 10:26pm post.

    Wow thanks Deti, I didn’t know guys in mid-40s tended to have such high drives; I underestimated it for sure. O_O

    Then again, I made it till my early 20s before finding out that many teen guys were constantly horny. I wasn’t allowed to date in my teens, and my male friends (incl the ones romantically interested in me) were such sweethearts and gentleman that I never had a clue about that stuff.

    It’s kinda funny, cos from childhood I read widely–encyclopedias, Time and Newsweek etc, and I thought I knew soooo much about the world. It was only in my 20s I realised I’ve lived most of my life in a bubble of naivete and cluelessness. >.<

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  183. SFC Ton says:

    Bloom, you should take up strongman training….

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  184. Liz says:

    Gah! No strongman training, Bloom! Weights can make a girl thick.
    The body is the barbell.
    😉

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  185. Liz says:

    I can do five full pull-ups, btw. I’m not wimpy!
    Most female marines in their 20s can’t even do three.
    It is to weep:

    http://archive.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20140703/NEWS/307030068/Marines-delay-female-pullup-requirement-again-time-until-end-2015

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  186. Cill says:

    I have done one-arm chin-ups (pull ups?) on either arm as a party trick. The number I do depends on how much energy I’ve got at the time (I don’t know beforehand because I’ve never “worked out” in a gym or anywhere) and how much I’ve had to drink. I also do one-arm push-ups, which are a lot easier.

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  187. Spawny Get says:

    We, the people of The Shire, do not hold with such freakery.

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  188. SFC Ton says:

    I bend nails, horse shoes etc as my party trick.

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