What is Owed?

People live in society.  They need society to work.  How much should they be willing to sacrifice for to make this happen?

This is an important question.  There are many aspects of it.

1.  How well do we want society to work?

2.  What aspects of society working well do we want to emphasize?

3.  Would we want to pay extra taxes for it?

4.  Would we be willing behave in certain matters for it?

5.  Would we be willing not to behave in certain ways for it?

6.  How important is the future?

Once again, there are sacrifices implied in all these aspects.  The questions are what should be the goals, and who should make the sacrifices? 

I will leave it to the commenters to fill in the blanks as to how they think it does, and how it should all play out.

Posted in FarmBoy, Feminism, Politics
124 comments on “What is Owed?
  1. Farm Boy says:

    I know that this ground has been trudged before. Social contracts, duty to the state, etc. But things change. One thing that has changed is feminism. Perhaps it is time to re-evaluate the situation.


  2. Farm Boy says:

    So what do men in general owe women in general?
    What do women in general owe men in general?
    What do parents owe their children?


  3. Farm Boy says:

    What does the Government owe its male citizens?
    What does the Government owe its female citizens?


  4. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    This is skirting close to the “social contract” that used outline benefits and responsibilities between men and women.Now, that it has been modified so that only men have responsibkikities, what should the men do?


  5. Yoda says:

    Bear should skirt no more.
    Go for it he should.


  6. Yoda says:

    Lonely on Degoba it is.
    Lively discussion good it would be.


  7. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It is lonely in my forest too. Cill and Padawan must be sleeping. They are overdue.
    About the “social contract”, it has to to do with each sex’s reaponibilities to each other to make society work and while the male side of things is confirmed, the female side of things has been granted soo much leeway that they have no effective obligations’
    This is not equitable.


  8. Cill says:

    Sorry boys. I’m flat out busy at my end.


  9. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You’re fine. I think this may be Mrs. Yoda’s Bridge night.


  10. Cill says:

    “Social contracts, duty to the state…
    So what do men in general owe women in general?”

    I think I owe women a whole lot less than I’m giving right now. I pay a lot of tax and get nothing back directly. In fact, all I get in return is a negative male stereotype and discrimination against me at times, in opportunities that are available to others being withheld from me because of my gender and race. My extended family was damn near destroyed by a couple of women who were backed by the taxpayer-funded feminist establishment.

    I don’t owe women a thing. They owe me. I regard them, not the ones who visit us here but the smug or unthinking ones, as thieves. In the form of tax, they benefit from a substantial part of my expertise and hard work.

    I’m building a situation where I’ll be self-sufficient and won’t have to earn much at all – and therefore won’t have to pay any tax to speak of. When that day comes I’ll throw a big party.

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  11. Cill says:

    “I think this may be Mrs. Yoda’s Bridge night”
    Does this mean Yoda wants to go on the ran tan? Or is he pining for a sammie?


  12. jf13 says:

    I’d like to emphasize is that “society” is very far from identical with “government”. Government is that parasitical portion of society whose sole purpose is to protect the weaker aspects of society. This consideration almost immediately sets the minimum as well as maximum size of government, since if we need to be protected *from* the government then it cannot be fulfilling its purpose in society.

    Someone else almost said “Ask not what is owed to you, ask what is owed by you.” I happen to favor
    1. Social conservatism, which I get to define.
    2. Fiscal liberalism, which I get to define.
    3. Small government, which I get to define.


  13. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I think, in Mrs. Yoda’s absence, Yoda is unwilling to watch a movie with lots of horses without her. He can make hia own sandwich but, it’s not the same.


  14. jf13 says:

    re: “So what do XY in general owe XX in general?”

    I avoid discussing what it means for one human to treat other humans properly, and jump to what is distinctive about one human treat opposite-sex humans properly as opposed to same-sex humans. In each society, one man most properly treats another man as he wants to be treated by him. In contrast, in each society it is a grave mistake for any ordinary man to treat any ordinary woman as if she were a man.


  15. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny has alluded to men paying seventy five percent of taxes. I’ll have to leave it to him to back that up. ManWomanMyth, in one of his earliest videos, points out that men pay seventy five cents for every health insurance pound and receive twenty five cents in benefits.
    Not a good deal.


  16. jf13 says:

    If we were all, all not some, unisexual, each one the same that way, then treating each person the same would have to be the way to go. And of course we should treat each sex the same to the extent that sex doesn’t matter. But sex does matter. In other words, for maximum equalism then for those aspects of all people that are unaffected by sex, those aspects of each person should be treated the same.

    But one doesn’t treat “aspects” of a person, one treats whole persons with all their aspects. Besides which, there are few aspects of a generic person which sex does not affect. And although I do believe sexless (asexual, desexual) persons conceivably exist, these would not be base platforms so to speak but oddities; mutants; defective persons.


  17. jf13 says:

    Ton advised men in relating to girlfriends “Always put yourself 1st. … and remember it is her job to add value to your life. When she no longer does or takes more then she gives, get a new [girlfriend]”. It seems cold, but what, precisely, changes in your mind when you read this advice about men concerning male friends vying for their valuable time? :”Always put yourself 1st. … and remember it is his job to add value to your life. When he no longer does or takes more then she gives, get a new [man friend]”.


  18. jf13 says:

    Correction: “more than he gives, get a new [man friend]”. obviously


  19. jf13 says:

    At Ton’s site he says “At all times back here in the world, those other dudes hold some part of their masculinity back. They are limited, controlled and play the role society, church, school etc has taught them … Being a bad boy isn’t being bad, its being a man.”

    I read of him wearing clothing, and riding quietly in elevators, and I mention he too is limited and controlled and holding at least something (I say at LOT) back because of the presence of other people i.e. society.


  20. jf13 says:

    The several reincarnations of Grindr For Girls have never panned out. Women, which includes lesbians, simply will not invest effort into making sexual matches, especially when given lots of choices. Because what women like to do, and WILL put effort into, is in rejecting sexual matches.


  21. jf13 says:

    Does your society frown more on treating women as men, or treating men as women?


  22. jf13 says:

    Individual male threats against women are far far far more effective than individual female threats against men. Hence, men do owe it to women to avoid threatening.
    Hence, women do owe it to men to insist that women must not be allowed to capitalize on men’s not threatening.


  23. jf13 says:

    On sexually owing. To nobody’s surprise, nice guys are much better lovers than bad boys.
    In this study, what worked is not the man treating the woman well per se. What worked is the woman responding properly to being treated well.

    In general, women do not respond properly.


  24. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am beginning to come around to your way of thinking. However, how do lesbians get together? One of them must take the initiative sometime.


  25. jf13 says:

    @Fuzzie Wuzzie,
    as you may know, most typically one of a pair of lesbian acts as the designated male. She is the designated giver/doer who sexually initiates and also must submit her sexual performance to be criticized by the designated receiver/responder.

    Or was that a rhetorical question?


  26. I wish I had a good comment here but I do not. Maybe after I sleep on it! Gnite!

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  27. jf13 says:

    Are people owed attainable goals?


  28. jf13 says:

    It’s a Monday.


  29. jf13 says:

    The assumption of good will seems most important, outweighing any considerations of equitability. “From each according to … “, “to each according to …”, “five thousand semi-rotten potatoes are worth three loaves of semi-stale black bread”, none of it matters unless there is good will. And if there is actual good will, then “from each according to how he happens to feel like” and “to each according to how she happens to feel like” work just fine.


  30. jf13 says:

    A husband is responsible for making his wife’s heart sing.
    His wife is responsible for adjuding his performance as good enough or not.

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  31. missattempts says:

    These questions are presently irrevelant. We are in the midst of a “full court Satanic
    press,” to destroy Western Civilaztion and replace it with a Marxist anarchist state.
    This will be accomplished through a combination of fictional claims of “racism” and
    Islamic terroristic attacks. Law enfourcement will be denuded, and chaos will be the
    result. The white males will be exterminated, and the white females will be dragged
    off. Replacement white females will be “farmed,” through artifical insemination
    Thanks to animals assending to power. (The road to hell is paved with good intentions.)
    the western world has signed it’s own death warrent.


  32. Yoda says:

    The assumption of good will seems most important

    Good will degrades fast under communism it does.


  33. Yoda says:

    His wife is responsible for adjuding his performance as good enough or not.

    Works poorly in the long run this does.


  34. Yoda says:

    Besides which, there are few aspects of a generic person which sex does not affect.

    The narrative otherwise it says.
    Stupid the narrative is.


  35. Yoda says:

    In general, women do not respond properly.

    Proper training help it would?


  36. Yoda says:

    Parents owe their children good parenting they do?


  37. Yoda says:

    Men still be drafted they should?


  38. jf13 says:

    re: “Proper training help it would?”

    Are women owed proper training? Do men owe it to themselves to force women to be properly trained?


  39. jf13 says:

    Evidently, there are some few people who think that they are owed billions of sexless, overworked, underpaid, drone-mule wage-slave workers to do their bidding.

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  40. Yoda says:

    Are people owed attainable goals?

    For a man to have a family to call his own perhaps?


  41. jf13 says:

    Womenz believe they are owed the right to determine which menz receive which photons.
    Also note: “I’ve personally witnessed indecent exposure and believe me when I tell you that it looks nothing like a girl” because only menz can expose indecently.


  42. Yoda says:

    Society owed well adjusted future citizens it is?
    If so, what sacrifices made they should?


  43. Yoda says:

    because only menz can expose indecently.

    Noticed this I have.
    Odd this would be.


  44. jf13 says:

    When Peeping Tom commits male reception of sexual photons, then Tom is owed punishment. When Creeping Tom commits male emission of sexual photons, then Tom is owed punishment.

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  45. jf13 says:

    Men prefer to be owed kindess, approachability, attractiveness, fitness, and smiles from women who intend to be potential mates. Women prefer to be owed bravery, courage, risk-taking, and career success from men who intend to be potential mates, and women do NOT prefer to be owed kindness and altruism from such men.



  46. jf13 says:

    The underage girl who exposed herself completely naked to a large group of men, was dancing on men, bending over in front of men, touching and being touched by dozens of clothed men, and posing for dozens and possibly hundreds of cellphone photos for the better part of a hour, says she is owed the benefit of the doubt. She didn’t think anyone was actually looking, plus she didn’t know anyone could take pictures whith a phone.

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  47. I still have no thoughts to add to this. Well maybe this, if more people focused on what they could give instead of what they are owed, that might help. We are really owed nothing. So in that case, everything is a generous gift to be thankful for and to appreciate. Things could be a lot worse. I hope I never live to see that.


  48. Yoda says:

    Well maybe this, if more people focused on what they could give instead of what they are owed, that might help

    Reciprocation a good thing it would be.
    Entitlement a turn-off it is.

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  49. Yoda says:

    So in that case, everything is a generous gift to be thankful for and to appreciate.

    Humility as this works well it does.

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  50. Yoda says:

    A balance between obligations and what is owed there should be?
    Who decides what it would be?


  51. jf13 says:

    re: “Well maybe this, if more people focused on what they could give instead of what they are owed, that might help. We are really owed nothing. So in that case, everything is a generous gift to be thankful for and to appreciate.”

    Yes, but there is a semi-infinite regression here. If we really *should* be thankful, then we do in fact *owe* thanks. And if we do something for someone who *should* be thankful, then we really are *owed* thanks. In Luke 17:7-10, concerning an unequal relationship, the Bible contains a little lesson proving that someone’s merely doing something that they *should* do cannot induce the obligation of giving thanks.

    Again, I think, the importance of considering attitude, i.e. good will, cannot be overstated.


  52. jf13 says:

    Not by redpillgirl, but is the frequent assertion by essentially every woman that she’s a NAWALT unicorn to be usually taken in good will? Is the woman claiming to be a NAWALT unicron for a purpose that benefits her, or benefits her audience?

    Put another way, “NAWALT! Like, me, for example!” is seen to be the apex fallacy cutting both ways for women. Women make a false equivalency of the few alpha jerks in reality with the few NAWALT unicorns in reality. “See?”, they say, “Just like you can claim I falsely think the rare alphas are less rare than they really are, I can claim that you falsely think the rare unicorns are more rare than they really are. It’s the exact same thing, practically.”


  53. jf13 says:

    On authentic attitude. Ton may especially like this comment. You may be able to tell I’m a little loopy, but still making a crazy sort of sense.

    If it were possible, then a man could be more truly thankful for ill-gotten gains than for gifts. He may *feel* more thankful for “winning” by taking candy from a baby than by getting the same candy from his mom. He may even say “Thanks, Big Guy In The Sky!” for successfully sleeping with another man’ wife than getting any ordinary slut in the club.

    Hence, I must contend that the important factor in attitude (e.g. of thanks) isn’t just the feeling (e.g. of thanks) but the authentic conforming to right attitude.


  54. jf13 says:

    What is owed? Common decency? Mostly harmlessness? A stiflingly boring sameness?


  55. Yoda says:

    A stiflingly boring sameness?

    Introverts are bored not.


  56. Yoda says:

    frequent assertion by essentially every woman that she’s a NAWALT unicorn

    NAWALT women are made by doing, not saying.
    “She protests too much” Bill Shakesman said he did.

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  57. Yoda says:

    I think, the importance of considering attitude, i.e. good will, cannot be overstated.

    Large impact it does have.
    A reason why the bible suggests humility it is.


  58. thedeti says:

    ” if more people focused on what they could give instead of what they are owed, that might help.”

    Well, I don’t mean to pick on you, Bloom. But, men have been focused on what they could give for a couple of millennia now. Used to be they were “owed” something for what they could give. But as it stands now, most men are being told they must give and give and give, and are being EXPLICITLY told to expect nothing in return. That’s not a good deal.

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  59. thedeti says:

    If men give and give and give, they ought be able to expect something in return. Otherwise, they won’t continue giving.

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  60. thedeti says:

    IF a husband owes his wife provision and protection, then a wife owes her husband sex and a tranquil, orderly home.

    Many women like to say “no, a wife doesn’t owe sex; he has to EARN it. Or, it’s a gift, which I can give freely as I feel like it. But I don’t owe him sex when I’m not in the mood.

    If that’s the case, then men ought be free to say. “no, a husband doesn’t owe protection or provision; she has to EARN it. Or, my protection and provision are gifts, which I give freely as I feel like it. But I don’t owe her protection/provision when I’m not in the mood.”

    So…. “Wife, I don’t feel like going to work today and earning money.”

    “Wife, I don’t feel like allowing you to spend any of the money I earned today.”

    “Wife, you have not earned the privilege of accessing any of my provision today.”

    “Wife, I’m not in the mood to do anything about that intruder that just broke into the house. Why don’t YOU go take care of that?”

    “Wife, it’s too hard to change the flat tire on your minivan. You’ll need to do it yourself.”

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  61. Cill says:

    thedeti, “If men give and give and give, they ought be able to expect something in return. Otherwise, they won’t continue giving.”

    By the end of this year I will have achieved self-sufficiency, and have assessable income too low on the books to be taxed – or reduce the tax burden to just a few thousand. For me it’s a matter of integrity. I detest stereotype. I refuse to fund a system that holds me as a straight white male (“Patriarchy”) responsible for everything that’s wrong with the world.

    There are exceptions e.g. Bloom and Liz, but the truth cannot be ignored. Feminism, and the women who failed to oppose it, are to blame for the Patriarchy stereotype and the untold death and misery it has caused.

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  62. Yoda says:

    But, men have been focused on what they could give for a couple of millennia now. Used to be they were “owed” something for what they could give.

    Cuts to the heart of the problem this does.
    Owed what were they?


  63. Yoda says:

    Perhaps owed he was “a family to call his own”


  64. jf13 says:

    re: “Perhaps owed he was “a family to call his own””

    Just to be clear, the “opportunity” should be declined for most beta bux to call a single mom’s ready-made (“shovel ready” is being intrusive) family his “own”. A giving man should be owed his own family to call his own.


  65. Cill says:

    “I know that this ground has been trudged before”. I’m afraid some of this is doing just that. We shouldn’t keep regretting the absence of something that can never happen. There’s no sense in whipping a dead horse.

    It’s unrealistic to ask for more from women. They have the ultimate Alpha, the state, to provide for and protect them with funds and biased laws and institutions. At one-to-one level they don’t need men. The State, however very much does need our tax and our willingness to fight for women.

    I’m sure more men would do what I’m doing if they were in a position to do so. I’m equally sure there are lots who could do what I’m doing if they would only set their minds to it.

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  66. Yoda says:

    But always newcomers their are.
    Need to understand underlying issues they do.
    A service to them this is.

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  67. jf13 says:

    Are the UVA fraternities owed anything by anyone for being unjustly accused and group-punished as scapegoat whipping boys?

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  68. Cill says:

    Yoda, “newcomers…Need to understand underlying issues”

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  69. jf13 says:

    On being owed.

    A 51 yr old womb is a fine womb, especially for one’s own eggs frozen when young, and especially for Elle’s healthy womb previously checked as being fine. It’s usually almost entirely the age of the eggs that’s the problem. In this case it almost makes as much sense to implant one’s own eggs in another woman as it does to try to get pregnant naturally.


  70. @ Deti true, I should have been more clear that I was talking about women. Women could focus more on what they are giving rather than what they are owed. For women, there is always want. To focus on the want, rather than to have gratitude for what she has, this can lead to much unhappiness. I am not sure if men feel endless want in the same way bc I am not a man 😉

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  71. Yoda says:

    I’ve been in academe for about a decade now, and the only professors I’ve known who have slept with or dated students were female.

    Because they can.


  72. Before I started following the sphere I too was unaware how much men do to keep it all going. How important men are. Like when I drive by a road construction project now, I notice all those men, and am grateful for their efforts! I bet a lot of women are like I was, completely unaware of it. Focused instead on themself, their want. I am not sure I am expressing this well… It’s kind of in woman’s nature. I am sure it is productive in some way but it can also be very destructive. With all the “stuff” being sd to women in our advertising driven culture, even more so than ever I would guess. I also am not saying I am nawalt. I just try not to be nawalt. I try to be concious of it.


  73. @ cill any woman who thinks the state is better than a man of her own is a fool! At least IMHO.

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  74. Even tho I now know it would not have worked and that this is for the best, I still miss having a man of my own, forever. Hopefully someday…

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  75. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Something tells me that Bloom would agree with these sentiments.

    I am surprised that it never went viral. It should have.

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  76. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    As for “What is owed?”, feminists are well practised in telling men that they aren’t owed anything. In the meanwhile, please keep doing favors and holding up commitments to women.
    By the way, I should have left out the “please”.


  77. Cill says:

    The Cricket World Cup semi final between NZ and S. Africa is about to start. Expect me to be AWOL for a while.

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  78. @ fuzzie yes I do agree w that video. The govt is a poor substitute for a irl dad.

    Feminists who say men aren’t owed anything would likely change that tune were their roads to not get fixed, their cars not running, the electricity out, stores not stocked…


  79. Spawny Get says:

    Forgot about FRED, damn! I love his writing.


  80. Spawny Get says:

    You might be able to imagine the chasm of despair that I fell into on hearing this news.

    Though I am wondering what the scheming turd is up to. I suspect he knows that after the EU referendum he promises is revealed as a sham, he knows his goose will be cooked anyway. His masters will have a plush new role for him elsewhere (Europe?)


  81. Spawny Get says:

    I’ve programmed in Fortran IV on a PDP11 with 32k words of memory (64kilobytes)
    I ❤ Fred

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  82. Cill says:

    “Feminists who say men aren’t owed anything would likely change that tune were their roads to not get fixed, their cars not running, the electricity out, stores not stocked…”
    .. or the great Alpha’s income dry up.

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  83. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    They can’t see it! That, or they can’t think that far ahead. As a final consideration, perhaps they are so dependent on leveraging men’s libidoes that no other option has occurred to them.

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  84. Farm Boy says:

    New Post is up

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  85. jf13 says:

    re: Fred vs matrimony

    The food is more savory sometimes.


  86. jf13 says:

    @Spawny, re: coders

    I know I did increasingly less punch card programming through the 1980s, the last one in maybe 1988, but I’m trying to remember when was my first non-punch-card programming. It was simply a lineprinter with keypad entry echoed to mainframe, of course, but timewise I’m not sure if it was 1969 or 1970. My first green terminal entry wasn’t untl 1975, only two years (only two years!) before the TRS-80.

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  87. Spawny Get says:

    You have me beat JF.

    My first ‘computer’ was a 75baud TTY (with punch tape read/write) to a Prime computer at a nearby uni…1978ish. We played ‘adventure’ and some kind of Trek game iirc – little constructive stuff, but we became familiar. Then it was Sinclair ZX80, ZX81, RM380Z and BBC A/B all using BASIC. I’d gone to uni before the school started teaching anything. We were writing programs for the teachers to use as teaching aids.

    The PDP11 stuff (predecessor to the VAX) wasn’t till 89 or so. Waaaaay late to be using such hardware, but we were upgrading software hacked together by physicists which proved the concept, but were woefully inadequate for the field. It was fun, I really enjoyed the open rein ability to build a commercial system with enhanced capabilities. And see it in the field (which is why we knew what to add to the system next. The clients didn’t know what was possible and neither did our bosses frankly). When the cold war fizzled out, the bottom dropped out of the employment marketplace in that domain.

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  88. jf13 says:

    My VAX-11/787, as a personal workstation at work, was the bomb. I was also an Alpha enthusiast, but we were too few.

    At school I was spoiled by a Burroughs B5000 and later a CDC 6600.

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  89. jf13 says:

    For about a whole decade there, with the sexual revolution raging outside and Space Invaders having not yet landed, geek boys were busy with lots of ever-upgrading new toys.

    But I guess I knew but forgot that Joanne Butterworth got the first (ever?) graduate degree in computer science.


  90. Yoda says:

    Silly that Mary Barra interview is.


  91. Spawny Get says:

    There you go showboating your virtual address extension. I had to write overlays on my (iirc) PDP11/73 and 83. Could be wrong about them numbers though, it’s been a while.

    I think that not long before I got there, you could choose whether you got a BA or BSc for Computer Science. Imagine doing 30 hours of lectures and labs a week and ending up with a BA! Could have just had to give a seminar once every two weeks like the sociolologists – that’s all. And they wondered where the jobs were at the end LMAO.

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  92. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    “I’ve programmed in Fortran IV on a PDP11 with 32k words of memory (64kilobytes)”

    I’ve… seen things you people wouldn’t believe… Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I’ve watched c-beams glitter in the dark near Tannhauser Gate.

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  93. jf13 says:

    re: jobs

    From the “if it ain’t broke” department, PDP-11 skillz will be in demand until 2050.

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  94. Cill says:

    What was the purchase price, approx, of a Burroughs B5000 in those days?


  95. Spawny Get says:

    No one likes a smart arse CP. I may have laughed, but…

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  96. Yoda says:

    Spawny looks like Rutger Hauer he does?
    Movie star good looks indeed.

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  97. Cill says:

    “No one likes a smart arse”
    Quips trump informative comments in getting the “Likes”. Like a hiccup. (quip)

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  98. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    “No one likes a smart arse”

    Sorry, Spawny. I’m just a slave to the inscrutable exhortations of my perverse nature.

    You ever see Roger Rabbit having to listen to the first half of Shave and a Haircut? If I see a punchline, I’ve got to cross it. Sometimes twice. Even if I’m the one being punched.

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  99. Cill says:

    “Sorry, Spawny.”
    And we all love to hate the man with Movie Star Good Looks

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  100. Cill says:

    By way of a palliative for Spawny, let’s talk cricket:

    “New Zealand closed on 299-6 off 42.5 overs, the highest successful run-chase in a World Cup knockout game.”


  101. Spawny Get says:

    That’s more like an emetic. Can’t stand cricket.

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  102. Cill says:

    Okay, let’s talk David Cameron then…


  103. Spawny Get says:


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  104. Cill says:

    That there quip, mate, it is the quippiest quip I ever quip-liked (quip)


  105. Cill says:

    “Quinton de Kock missing a run out chance with 27 runs needed before JP Duminy ran in to substitute fielder Farhaan Behardien, who was about to pouch an Elliott chance with 14 needed off seven balls…”


  106. Cill says:



  107. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    So far today we’ve had five hours batting from New Zealand and already they’re nought for nought. Cowdrey is not out nought. Naughton is not in. Knott is in and is nought for not out. Naughton of Northants got a nasty knock on the nut in the nets last night but it’s nothing of note. Next in is Nat Newton of Notts. Not Nutring – Nutting’s at nine…


  108. Cill says:

    “The umpire put his finger up after Southey bowled a maiden over and de Kock was caught behind by a brilliant hand around the ball in the slips…”

    (Mate, remember I said “you’ll keep”?) >:D


  109. Cill says:

    He of the MSGL is stunned into silence…

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  110. Cill says:

    Moping, he is…

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    “So far today we’ve had five hours batting”

    It’s been 30 minutes max. It just feels like 5 hours. That’s how cricket works.

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  112. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Did we break Spawny?


  113. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Ah, good. There he goes.

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  114. Cill says:

    Yup. We can’t hold down MSGL for long…

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  115. SFC Ton says:

    A man owes government and society nothing. Government, society etc should be the servant not the served. That means governments and societies owe usq. Once you feel some kind of obligation….well at that point you do the severing vs being served.

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  116. Spawny Get says:

    Severing v serving…who’s to say whether that was a mistype?

    You’re right


  117. jf13 says:

    re: hoisting the Black Flag etc. It just occurred to me that this guy mave have thought it was a Brand Name.



  118. Spawny Get says:

    Will we ever know the back story?


  119. SFC Ton says:

    lol I am a poor speller and not clever enough for it to be anything but a spelling error….


  120. Spawny Get says:

    Well…congrats, because I laughed my arse off

    “at that point you do the severing.” +1


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