Law of Unintended Consequences — Men Edition


“Why won’t the men of today be like the men of old (except for certain things that I don’t like)” ask today’s women.  Their answer is forthcoming.

But first, let us consider what attributes/functions of men that women do like (A non-exhaustive list).

1.  Engine of the economy

2. Builder/maintainer of civilization

3. Husband, father, provider and “make me happy” significant other.

These are what men in recent history have done, and there is no reason why this situation should not continue women do believe.  The thought in the feminist era is that all women had to do was make some changes around the edges (and perhaps sometimes a little further in) of the system, ones that they believed to be toward their benefit; yielding a system much closer to the ideal.  An underlying assumption with respect to these changes is that the only the intended aspects would change, with all surrounding aspects remaining as they were.

But the surrounding aspects do change.  This is the Law of Unintended Consequences in action.  Oddly enough, policy makers never seem to understand this law.  Or perhaps they pretend to not understand it when they introduce new policies.  Policy changes alter incentives, and altered incentives result in changed behavior in order to compensate/exploit.

Let us consider some examples.  It was assumed back in the 60’s that providing aid to unmarried mother of newborns was a good policy.  Under the societal standards or the day, the women would be expected to use use the money to “get back on their feet” and move forward productively (as there would be great shame in not doing so).  The unintended result was effectively a bounty on babies, and thus the creation of the baby mama industry.

Another example might be the fast track promotion path for women in organizations.  Often, the scheme is so obvious, and the women on the fast track so marginal, that it effectively destroys men’s ambition and desire to improve himself.  Which hinders attributes 1 and 2 above.

And of course, there is the “biggie”.  Women, because of rule changes, are much less likely to reward a hard working man with a fine marriage and children of his own.  And if this is the case, then why should men put in the effort?

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157 comments on “Law of Unintended Consequences — Men Edition
  1. Cill says:

    Fembots and their sickening white male sycophants deliberately set out to do as much damage to the Patriarchy (straight white males) as they possibly can. The consequences are intended. An example of unintended consequences is the exposure of the Muslim men who sex-enslaved white girls with drugs.

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  2. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    It’s one thing to see the problem before us. The solution is simple, repeal the changes. The problem with that is none of the politicos have the courage. Something awful has to happen first.

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  3. Cill says:

    The authorities colluded with Muslim leaders, giving them information and advice to facilitate the enslavement of white girls and children. The unintended consequence was that the Muslim men were exposed – albeit slowly and with great reluctance – by their bitch.

    (By “their bitch” I mean the media.)

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  4. thedeti says:

    Actually it’s more than just tinkering around the edges. Our society has been completely reworked and reordered to maximize women’s options: attend postsecondary education, work, marry, have children, have sex, and combinations thereof in any and all forms a woman wishes.

    It was presumed that men would continue doing what they had always done: attend school, go to work, get jobs, and present themselves as husbands to women whenever these women decided they wanted husbands.

    A couple of things happened.

    (1) Men were being told if they wanted wives and kids (and licit sex), they needed to wait. And wait. And wait and wait and wait. And then settle for used, marked down, bargain bin product.

    (2) Women’s options expanded men’s options. A few men, the top men, got the sexual smorgasbord. Life was awesome for these men, who have it better than most other men in recorded history.

    The rest of the men were freed from societal expectations that they go to school, get jobs, and prepare for marriage and fatherhood. Most of this latter group of men didn’t have success as players and cads. As they aged, many of them found they didn’t care so much. And freedom from marriage meant they didn’t have to support a wife, and wouldn’t have children. Perhaps most thought it wasn’t ideal, but being men, they adapted and acclimated themselves to it, even finding most aspects of it enjoyable. Perhaps it wasn’t the best option, but it was a good enough option. And, if these men did find women willing to be with them, they were far, far less willing to allow the women to dictate most of the relationship’s terms, as had been the case in the past.

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  5. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    One (apparently) unintended consequence is that I treated women like men, until I gave up trying to square that circle.

    And when I gave up, I didn’t have a whole lot of time for women pretending to be men.

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  6. SFC Ton says:

    Ever see the movie birth of a nation? Well it was called that because the old republic was dead and a new nation was.created, one created on progressive principles

    This was all done way before we were born

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  7. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly made the observatin that women have the extinction gene. With all these advantages being given to women, it was hoped that they would be content. It didn’t wourk out that way. Now, the reproduction rate is less than replacement at a time when infant and child mortality has been minimized.

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  8. Women have yet to truly grasp the unintended consequences of all this IMHO. They are mostly merrily frolicking along right toward the cliff. I am trying to warn you sisters! These ebul men are too. Cats, poverty, despair, cast out of the job market, alone, with nobody who cares. I know a woman in this exact situation (well ok no cats) She would give anything now to turn back time.

    I saw a really fat and slovenly lady with those family stick figures on the back of her car the other day, her and five cats! I shuddered! Those poor cats! :/

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  9. Spawny Get says:

    It doesn’t matter to me what they do to roll back the laws.
    *anything they can undo, they can redo.
    *I don’t have a use for a wife. One is not relentlessly agreeable. One is not relentlessly patient either. I know! You’re all shocked at Unca Spawny.
    *what is realistic at my age has changed, but what I like hasn’t, or not nearly as much. I’m sure that grates on women, but it’s how it works for men. I have to accept women fantasising Christian Gray, so it’s all fair. I wouldn’t want a 50 shades woman to settle for me.
    *when the zombie apocalypse hits, well, women are deadweight unless they keep rational at which point those few women are just underpowered, underskilled men. The irrational ones just get men killed chasing after them when they do something dumb. I ‘ve seen this on those tv documentaries, so I know it’s true. The Walking Dead has it happen all the time. Not that the men are much better, admittedly.

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    For political cover, one had to have plausible deniability in all of these consequences. But the garden variety person doesn’t see this. None of these bad things were supposed to have happened. Just the good things that they told us about.

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  11. Farm Boy says:

    I saw a really fat and slovenly lady with those family stick figures on the back of her car the other day, her and five cats! I shuddered! Those poor cats!

    I dunno. There is probably lots of food around. And she undoubtedly is a good heat source.

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  12. Spawny Get says:

    Cats?

    I imagine that the main problem in the house is the smell. But if you keep putting the food down the cats will probably come to tolerate her smell.

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  13. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Ba-dum Tish.

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  14. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    What you spoke about in your last comment hasn’t sunk into the consciousness of present day women. Captain Capitalism made the observation in a recent video that women will not hit the wall until they are “dead” as conumers. Till then, business and corporate America is going to flatter the heck out of them.

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  15. Yoda says:

    that women will not hit the wall until they are “dead” as conumers.

    Paying for this stuff who us?

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  16. Yoda says:

    Should have been “is”,
    but “us” also works it does.

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  17. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    When it comes to paying for it, I don’t think they care. They only care that someone buys it. Merchants can be short sighted.

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  18. Yoda says:

    Actually it’s more than just tinkering around the edges

    Pitched as minor changes it was.

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  19. Yoda says:

    To buy, money one must have.

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  20. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Credit cards have changed that whole notion. Some people ar playing a dangerous game, hoping the money, anybody’s money, will be there when the bill comes in.

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  21. Cill says:

    “Now, the reproduction rate is less than replacement at a time when infant and child mortality has been minimized.”

    Also, a big percentage of the solo mums I see (the ones I see) are not only downright ugly, but bad on personal hygiene as well. And they look thick as pig shit. Some men out there will poke anything that spreads, is all I can say.

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  22. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I think that in a recent post Dalrock found that Illegitimate births went down ftom 41% to 40.6$. Not a big decline.
    We need a male contraceptive. There are too many baby mamas out there soaking up child support.

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  23. SFC Ton says:

    Spwany your view on women and the zombie apocalypse is all wrong, reactionary and unenlightened.

    Someone has to carry the useful yet less important stuff freeing up weight and space for you to carry more booze, cigars and fireworks. Also women are generally slower then men, especially when loaded down with supplies. Zombies eat the slow so while the living dead dine on your pack mule….. errrr…. women, you can escape, saving yourself, your whisky and favorite smokes.

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  24. Spawny Get says:

    Damn Ton, I feel shamed by your display of clear analysis…what was I thinking?

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  25. Liz says:

    Lol! Swithy and Ton. 😛
    Chick zombies might be slow…but think of their ghosts! They’re fast, and can walk through walls and stuff, and they’ll surely haunt you for trying a trick like that. 😉

    Side note: we just printed something out on our 3D printer! Got it last night. A David Hasselhoff cup (we call it the Hoffcup). 😛

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  26. Liz says:

    Next will be 3D mudflap girl. 😉

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  27. Spawny Get says:

    “Chick zombies”

    Ton was discussing the use of ‘pre-zombie’ women…it’s worse than you think.

    How easy was the 3d design and printing?

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  28. Liz says:

    They’re all ‘pre-zombies’ at first, Swithy. 😛

    “How easy was the 3d design and printing?”
    Pretty easy…ours takes a bit of time. It took quite a while for the hoffcup (I wasn’t kidding about that, we purposely picked the most absurd thing we could find, aside from the Kim Jung Un statue). I’m not sure how many hours because I went to sleep. They got the pattern from thingiverse.

    I didn’t do any of the setup, Mike and the boys did…so I don’t know how challenging it was, but I don’t think very. Ours does a lot of different materials, including a wood-fiber type. The top-end ones, of course, can use different types of materials simultaneously but ours isn’t that high-end. It set us back 1300$ (US). Not bad for what it does. I expect in about five years this prototype will cost about 200$, the way things are going. Very fun for the kiddos!
    🙂

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  29. Liz says:

    I was just considering how much of an impact Mike has on our boys, while dropping them off at school this morning…kind of topic related.
    I would never have a 3D printer myself, or have the nighttime “family workout” that we do three days a week, without Mike (we do it even when he’s away). Last night, we had a friend over…guy in his 20s, who is going to start doing the workout with us, and we all ate dinner here after. We have lots of male friends that offer a kind of male-centric, positive energy to the place, and our boys wouldn’t have any of that without my husband. Little things can have a really large influence, I think.

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  30. jf13 says:

    re: tinkering

    Marginal changes can ONLY ever produce marginal results.

    There used to be gleaners who would scurry through harvested fields, looking for edible margins. There are scavengers who hang around waiting their turn to glean through the offal for edible margins. Margins are NEVER where the real action is, and every attempt to make people think so is an attempt at keeping people from partaking of the good stuff.

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  31. Cill says:

    That’s good Liz. I know young men who’d never interacted with a man until they met me. They grew up in solo mum suburbs that had no men. They stared at me with dull eyes, a bit like being looked at by a lobster. They looked suspicious of me, and on red alert. They followed me around as I did my everyday stuff, some electrical and mechanical etc. They came here once a week and learned how to build houses and take motors apart etc. We played rough rugby and fought a bit, sorted things out. Their characters changed completely, and now they look men in the eye and horse around like men.

    Fathers are irreplaceable. Fembots fucked fatherhood. It doesn’t matter how good my mum might have been as a solo mum, I would’ve been a vegetable without my dad.

    Good on your husband for doing what he does, Liz, and good on you for appreciating him. Not enough women do, silly cows.

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  32. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    “Marginal changes can ONLY ever produce marginal results.”

    Not a fan of chaos theory, then?

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  33. Yoda says:

    An excerpt this would be,

    If you want to understand the full loopiness and intellectual dishonesty of multiculturalism, just talk to my friend Adam, who lectures in African history.

    “At least that’s progress,” I said to Adam about one notably dysfunctional African country. “Getting more girls into school is progress, isn’t it?”

    “I’m not allowed to use the word ‘progress’,” he said. “I’d be sacked if I called it ‘progress’.”

    “Why?”

    “Because it would imply that the culture that was there already needed improvement.”

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  34. Spawny Get says:

    “Britain is indebted to the former equalities head”
    a) go fuck yourselves
    b) so he made his coin out of it and now (former)…just now…he’s saying the whole thing is a pile of shit? Tell me something I don’t know, twat.

    “Phillips explains how British people, who dared to express any concern about the rapidly changing face of their country, were shouted down as racist or a bigot. Remember, that’s how Gordon Brown described Labour voter Gillian Duffy in 2010. Looking back, Mrs Duffy was rather measured in her complaints, considering the poor woman lived in the once-respectable town of Rotherham, now the child sex-grooming capital of the Western world, thanks to a group of Pakistani men who make up just 5 per cent of the local population.”
    a) go fuck yourselves again
    b) as you’re still trying to vilify anybody trying to raise the issues over the culture in my country…time to go fuck yourselves again
    c) Phillips having made his coin on the issue (GFY) and moved on…who employed him in the first place? They need to be sacked and GFT

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  35. Cill says:

    I knucklebump Spawny bro

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  36. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    I sense a bit of frustration in your tone, Spawny. Is this the wrong time to ask for a pay rise?

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    My frustration is that I’ve known these issues existed from day one (more than a decade ago), but the complete shower of shit from the media, politicians and civil servants refused to talk about it. When a polly did; Gordon Brown described Labour voter Gillian Duffy as a bigot, it was caught on a live mike and pretty much ended his hopes…the twat.

    Five years of the tories being in and they have done nothing to remove the lefty place men and women that saturate the civil service. Are they really that clueless, or are they that fucking bent? Are they both? ONLY UKIP will talk about the potential downsides of a country of 60million having nett immigration of 600,000 per year. It’s insane.

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  38. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    So, no pay rise?

    I sympathize. The U.S. has its share of politicians (or lying, thieving, drug-addled whores, as I call them). And the electorate is fast becoming (or has become) an electorate that deserves them.

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  39. jf13 says:

    re: chaos

    Rearranging the deck chairs conceivably altered the Titanic’s course a fraction of a millimeter over some hundred kilometers of travel. That fraction of a millimeter marginal change could not have been nearly enough to avoid the hundred meter iceberg. It doesn’t help to say “Well, if the Titanic stayed on course for another few hundred years then maybe the amplification of chaos would be enough to do something significant.” In fact, as I said, anything that tries to magnify the importance of margins is always for the purpose of distracting from the real issues.

    There were enormous social upheavals caused by deliberate policies aimed at empowering women at the expense of men. One of those was the sexual revolution, which as the name implies was not a fluttering of a butterfly.

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  40. Cill says:

    The thing that puzzles me most about Rotherham, Sheffield, Oxford, Brighton etc is this:

    Why isn’t the whole Western world in an uproar about it? SJW authorities in England connived with Muslim scum in the systematic drugging and sexual enslavement of white women and girl children so that the scum could rut them the way they rut goats.

    Yep, that’s exactly how the girls were treated (read about it). And yep, it’s that ugly, folks.

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  41. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Cill, when you feel like stoking your anger, read about the rape trees along the U.S. southern border. And the beheadings. And the shootings and general violence and mayhem. None of it is “news” in the U.S. and few folks are aware of it, even in the states involved. At some point you’ve either got to laugh or spit upon your hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

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  42. jf13 says:

    Radhika says it’s a “heathy example” “that’s empowering” to “young women”.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/11405906/Teen-girls-like-sex-and-thats-ok.-Breaking-news.html

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  43. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    About Rotherham and the deafening silence from the fembots, had these offenses been committed by white Christian straight men, the bafd guys would all be in prison by now, serving long sentences. Fembots don’t care about women. They only want to bring harm to white Christian straight men.
    It’s hate, pure and simple of those men.

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  44. jf13 says:

    re: “had these offenses been committed by white Christian straight men”

    Silly old bear! Everyone knows that sexually empowered girls would never choose white Christian straight men, so there’s your answer.

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  45. jf13 says:

    I’m still claiming that the current cultural scene is the result of intent, NOT unintentional consequences, until I see some evidence of lack of intent. For example the creation of the “baby mama industry” was deliberate, which we can know because plenty of voices argued way back then that there would be welfare queens.

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  46. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    There was some discussion upthread about the Zombie Apocalypse. Here is Terrence’s Popp’s conception of something a little more realistic.

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  47. Yoda says:

    Teen-girls-like-sex-and-thats-ok.

    Perhaps as OK as this wood be,

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  48. Spawny Get says:

    “hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”
    Trust Mencken to put a smile back on your face.

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  49. Yoda says:

    “that’s empowering” to “young women”.

    Anakin empowered he was.
    Turned out badly it did.

    “Empowerment – Don’t make your Mom’s mistakes, make your own “

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  50. Cill says:

    “Cill, when you feel like stoking your anger, read about the rape trees along the U.S. southern border”.

    In the U.S.A. did the local government (including the police) aid and abet the rapes, beheadings etc, and advise the criminals where best to find victims to target?

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  51. Cill says:

    I won’t be surprised if you say they did. I’d expect nothing less from the Obama administration.

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  52. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    I was going to say, it’s not exactly a simple yes or no. Plus, they’re not even reporting on it, so God only knows how much collusion there is going on. We did sell them weapons, though, and made sure they aren’t overly hassled by law enforcement. I only know about it because I have kin that work in one of those areas.

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  53. Liz says:

    CP: “Cill, when you feel like stoking your anger, read about the rape trees along the U.S. southern border. And the beheadings. And the shootings and general violence and mayhem. None of it is “news” in the U.S. and few folks are aware of it, even in the states involved. At some point you’ve either got to laugh or spit upon your hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”

    Yes. I remember when we moved to New Mexico I mentioned to some people on the plane that the border was only about an hour from our new home. The people on the plane said, “Yeah, that’s Juarez, and there’s a war going on there…we’re restricted from visiting.”
    A couple of years later I was in an online debate with a guy said he was married to a Mexican, and he claimed that Juarez “wasn’t really that bad”. Since I knew a LOT of people from Chihuahua and that area by that time I asked him when the last time his wife had visit, and he said she went there all the time.

    He implied that I was just a hate mongering xenophobe. I concluded that either 1)he was lying about his wife (most likely, the guy was always full of shite) or 2)her dad was the head of some cartel.

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  54. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Those were bad Mounties, here are good ones.

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  55. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    The Mexican drug gangs are very powerful and practically run Mexico by intimidation. These guys are bad news.

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  56. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    I was in an online debate with a guy said he was married to a Mexican, and he claimed that Juarez “wasn’t really that bad”.

    When you have smartphone apps that geographically track gang wars in real time (Really. That’s a thing) you just might be in Mexico. Couldn’t say which part of Mexico, but gang shootings are so common and frequent that people adjust their daily commutes to avoid them.

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  57. jf13 says:

    Some few men are empowered by some women choosing them for sex. Therefore, all women should be empowered by intentional social upheaval in order for them to choose these same few men for sex. Then, we’ll say we don’t know what went wrong when it all turns out like we planned.

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  58. Liz says:

    Sort of offtopic (though it does fit under the broader category of ‘unintended consequences), just wanted to plug this article.
    “The High Cost of Free College”
    http://professorconfess.blogspot.kr/2015/03/the-high-cost-of-free-college.html

    Confessions of a College Professor does it again.

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  59. Liz says:

    You think this rampant sluttism is making women happy and successful in general, JF13?
    They don’t seem very happy or fulfilled, or successful to me. I’d say they’re closer to lunacy.

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  60. Liz says:

    Women should be really happy in Juarez I guess…lots of alpha stuff happenin over there!

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  61. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    I’m still claiming that the current cultural scene is the result of intent, NOT unintentional consequences, until I see some evidence of lack of intent.

    You’ll get no argument from me on that assertion, JF. My chaos theory comment was about your claim that marginal changes to a system’s input always result in marginal changes to a system’s output.

    I don’t care what anyone says, JF13 looks AWFULLY familiar.

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    Pity that JF12 guy isn’t around to help solve this conundrum.

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  63. jf13 says:

    re: “You think this rampant sluttism is making women happy and successful in general”?

    No, but as I’ve said before the problem is not, and never has been, women giving too much sex to the wrong men, the problem is, and always has been, women still not giving enough sex to the right men.

    (kind loving husbands, e.g.)

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  64. jf13 says:

    Does anyone seriously believe that “they” had EVER planned for empowered women to suddenly start choosing to sex up nice nerdy men in committed relationships? In the face of all the actual data to the contrary? In the face of ramping up creep-shaming? In the face of all the nice-guy shaming? In the face of rampant slut-shaming-shaming?

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  65. Liz says:

    “Does anyone seriously believe that “they” had EVER planned for empowered women to suddenly start choosing to sex up nice nerdy men in committed relationships? In the face of all the actual data to the contrary? In the face of ramping up creep-shaming? In the face of all the nice-guy shaming? In the face of rampant slut-shaming-shaming?”

    Has anyone suggested that or even implied it?

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  66. Yoda says:

    Does anyone seriously believe that “they” had EVER planned for empowered women to suddenly start choosing to sex up nice nerdy men in committed relationships?

    This could never be.
    “Empowerment” about messing up yourself and society simultaneously it is.

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  67. Cill says:

    JF6 (“The Prisoner”) might be able to throw some light, although he keeps getting dicked by JF4. Every time he asks “Who is JF1?” JF4 laughs in his face.

    JF6 is a high-ranking government official who is abducted from his home and taken to a picturesque seaside location in Wales, known as “The Village”. The idyllic surroundings hide a sinister world where “guests” are labelled as numbers and escape is impossible. His captors want secret information out of JF6 and will do use any means to obtain it.

    Every time people try to escape from the village, a large soft ball bounces after them and smothers them like a white corpuscle.

    JF6 would be a sentient moniker. I think JF13 should execute a Deed Poll to change his name to JF6. JF12 was the name of a famous wind tunnel. JF6 is way better.

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  68. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I don’t know. i don’t think that bashing sluts is going to do much good. Stupid, tingle chasing useles twits. Mat they have their fill of cads and players.

    What would happen if Jf12 reurned and got into a knock down dragout arguement with Jf13?

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  69. Spawny Get says:

    It’s a concern, Fuzzie, a big worry. I only hope that I sleep tonight 😉

    Cill, has Molly been spiking your food with catnip again?

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  70. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    JF13 will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed, or numbered. His life is his own.

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  71. Cill says:

    “Cill, has Molly been spiking your food with catnip again?”

    “The Prisoner” (1967) was one of the best TV series of all time. My dad gave me the DVD collection.

    If I wasn’t attached to “Cill” I’d change my name to “6”.

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  72. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    ‘picturesque’? ‘Wales’? One of these words doesn’t mean what you think it means.

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  73. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    And he got to drive a Lotus Seven! How cool is that?

    About sluts, I think they’re going about things in the wrong way if they want to be loved. Silly, silly, silly.

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  74. Spawny Get says:

    It’s very green. Yoda would fit right on.

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  75. Spawny Get says:

    They’re still selling them, Fuzzie.

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  76. Cill says:

    I think Choicy’s PPP#1 was about as slutty as they come. I re-read some of that the other night, to remind myself that she really was that bad. And she was.
    Unbe-fucking-lievable.

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  77. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny,
    I’ll bet that they are a blast to drive.

    Cill,
    Those PPPs! If the male imperative wants me to go out and do as they do and I am not so inclined, they must be really struggling against their natural inclinations. Stupid PPPs!

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  78. Liz says:

    Sluts should be shamed because girls are heavily influenced by the herd and social pressures and this….

    Isn’t good for anyone.

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  79. Farm Boy says:

    Yes indeed. Sluts should be shamed.

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  80. Farm Boy says:

    JF13 will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, de-briefed, or numbered. His life is his own.

    Not if he is married.

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  81. SFC Ton says:

    Spwany, regrading the value of women during the zombie apocalypse….
    Don’t feel bad my friend. On the fly tactical decisions during high stress/ high risk situations is what I do

    My forefathers for generations back have been called all sorts of nasty things because they knew diversity wasn’t strength

    In the usa, local police, media govt etc are very much involved in keeping the black on white stats hidden. same for the mexican invaders and hajjis doing local jiahd stuff. On a college campus here in NC a hajji ran down students with his suv while shouting alha ak bar…. no it wasn’t a hate crime. Vdare.com does an ok job of addressing this

    what was done to the usa was deliberate. If you read enough about the war of northern aggression you will see yankees wanted this bullshit along time back, basically to be the anti South

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  82. Farm Boy says:

    because they knew diversity wasn’t strength

    But I hear that “diversity is strength” all of the time. And if you hear something often enough then you know that it must be true.

    Like if you drink Miller / Coors / Bud you will be surrounded by hot women. Surely this is true. I see it on commercials during sports all of the time.

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  83. Farm Boy says:

    Women should be really happy in Juarez I guess…lots of alpha stuff happenin over there!

    They are probably the North American leader in “tingles per square meter”.

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  84. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Liz,
    That video from South Park is likely true to life. The sluts shame and shun the virtuous. This is so sick.
    As far as slut shaming goes, men can’t do it. We have to walk away. It can only be handled within the herd.

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  85. jf13 says:

    re: “Has anyone suggested that or even implied it?”

    Oh yes! Not here, but pretty much everywhere else besides the manosphere, the Issue of empowered women choosing the wrong men is *always* publically attributed to empowerment simply not having enough time to take root yet, although as I said I believe “they” are privately sniggering at us all.

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  86. jf13 says:

    re: wind tunnel

    Now with 8.3% more bluster!

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  87. theasdgamer says:

    Re Zombie Apocalypse

    See my post, https://theasdgamer.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/pussy-is-just-pussy/ .

    I consider alternative arguments as regards the sexual value of a vaj relative to a penis and come out opposed to Rollo’s view that the vaj makes women the more sexually valuable sex. My post addresses Red Pill theory. I believe that Ton and I have internalized my “pussy is just pussy” maxim and are in agreement that men are inherently the more valuable sex. Anti-rape laws are concessions to the Feminine Imperative. Sorry, Bloom, Liz, et. al., but if you are Red Pill, you will want to have a man to protect you instead of relying on anti-rape laws.

    As I understand it, the old Roman Empire only had laws against raping married women. The marital connection to a man was what made raping a married woman so objectionable. It was the cuckolding that was objectionable (because of bastard children and STDs). The phallus was pervasive and endemic in Roman culture. A sign of the Masculine Imperative.

    In a Zombie Apocalypse, men take what they want. In that scenario, the vaj has no value–only force and the willingness to use it have value.

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  88. Liz says:

    “Now with 8.3% more bluster!”
    😀

    “Oh yes! Not here, but pretty much everywhere else besides the manosphere, the Issue of empowered women choosing the wrong men is *always* publically attributed to empowerment simply not having enough time to take root yet, although as I said I believe “they” are privately sniggering at us all.”

    That’s…really something. Fair enough, Jf13.
    I knew there was a reason I stopped watching basically everything in the media about ten years ago. Suspect I’ve preserved a few brain bites that way!

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  89. Spawny Get says:

    To be honest, I’d be happy with absolute equality of opportunity and then let the chips fall as they may (with a basic safety net).

    Except that: With ever increasing automation we’re soon going to (maybe are for some) in a position where employing someone to do a job just costs the economy money – it has a negative effect on the economy to do work that machines can do better and cheaper (if the job is required at all). When minimum wage exceeds the cost of buying and running automated burger flippers…how many restaurants will employ human beings? Why should they? Are we then going to start subsidising restaurants to have humans do the work worse? Or drop the minimum wage and provide social security to bump up the income of such workers?

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  90. Liz says:

    “In a Zombie Apocalypse, men take what they want. In that scenario, the vaj has no value–only force and the willingness to use it have value.”

    That’s true.
    I expect that Smith and Wesson work as well post zombie apocalypse as pre zombie apocalypse though.

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  91. Liz says:

    I have to say, theasdgamer, I’m not sure if you’re suggesting we adopt the laws of ancient Rome in regard to rape laws above?
    I don’t you’re even correct that only rape against married women “counted”, since fathers tend to be pretty protective of their daughters/sisters/mothers as well. But be that as it may, they also fed people to wild animals and had them raped by baboons as a form of public punishment. Let’s bring back that too! And the 99 percent illiteracy, slavery, and all that.

    Pretty sure I must be reading you wrong, theasdgamer. Hope so.

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  92. Liz says:

    Swithy, Many, many, many people are going to be rapidly automated out of a job in the next decade.
    In the next 2 decades, we’ll be making shoes/clothes/ toys/ even food, ad nauseum ect, from 3 D printers, right at home.

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  93. Spawny Get says:

    The equality comment was supposed to apply to rape as well. Genuine sex blind rape laws. I want to see female teacher rapists doing hard time under the same conditions as the male teacher rapists. Female prison officers imprisoned for having sex with prisoners (how can a prisoner consent to sex with an officer?).

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  94. Liz says:

    I sometimes think about how replacing humans with robots (and then replacing robots with 3D printers) is going to happen at an unimaginable speed. Think of how much and how fast the internet has changed the world…or just the smartphone alone!

    At first, the newly automated fast food places (and such) will likely collect those extra profits to the glee of Wall Street… for as long as they can… until falling sales volume forces them to pass those savings on to the customer… who eventually will not be able to afford those products at any price if they have no job…

    Then as you mention, Swithy, the government will attempt to ease this transition to a “new economy” through widespread handouts, based on debt…

    It will be really interesting to see the impact on third world countries too. The large sweatshops will close, but what will there be any replacement jobs? On the bright side, they’ll be able to print out their own water purification units….

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  95. theasdgamer says:

    @ Liz

    I have to say, theasdgamer, I’m not sure if you’re suggesting we adopt the laws of ancient Rome in regard to rape laws above?

    Where is the problem?

    I don’t you’re even correct that only rape against married women “counted”, since fathers tend to be pretty protective of their daughters/sisters/mothers as well.

    I read this, dropping “I don’t.” Men were also very protective of all their female relatives. Free women were escorted. WWTD? What would Ton do?

    But be that as it may, they also fed people to wild animals and had them raped by baboons as a form of public punishment. Let’s bring back that too! And the 99 percent illiteracy, slavery, and all that.

    What do those have to do with the Feminine Imperative?

    NB: I took a class on the culture of ancient Rome. Turns out that illiteracy throughout history has been confined to women and to men born as ag workers and who stayed that way their whole lives. Urban life has always relied heavily on trade and trade requires literacy. The abuse of slaves has been limited to ag and mines, generally. Roman urban slaves had many rights and were roughly equivalent to American employees.

    Genetic lineage didn’t matter much if the mother was a slave. Also, Romans would sometimes adopt sons, giving them preference even over their natural born free sons.

    Daughters were married off by fathers for political/professional gain frequently. Since men had such high status relative to women, women had no attraction problems to their husbands. Of course, they had no attraction problems to men who weren’t their husbands either. Women had to be sequestered from strange men.

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  96. Liz says:

    “Where is the problem?”

    Well, as a medical professional anything I do to a patient requires consent…if I perform an invasive action on a patient without his or her consent it is considered assault. That part of the feminale imperative too? Or should this standard cover only males? The right to personal bodily autonomy is a pretty fundamental and standard human rights concept.

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  97. Spawny Get says:

    Gamer, I see you’re having fun, but we’re not going back. I don’t want to go either.

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  98. SFC Ton says:

    The concept of extending self determination to women has failed; no successful society has survived doing so and I am aginit as any rational man should be but modernity is a contagious mental disorder

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  99. Spawny Get says:

    Starship Trooper’s Federation had some good ideas. Shoulda given the grunts bigger guns though

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  100. Liz says:

    “Starship Trooper’s Federation had some good ideas.”

    Yes, it did. And none of those ideas included legalizing rape.

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  101. Spawny Get says:

    Still think Gamer was winding you up there. I hope so. That’s not a world I want to live in.

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  102. Yoda says:

    The right to personal bodily autonomy is a pretty fundamental and standard human rights concept

    Except if drafted you are.

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  103. Yoda says:

    It will be really interesting to see the impact on third world countries too. The large sweatshops will close

    “I worked at the sweatshop and all I got was this tee-shirt.”

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  104. Yoda says:

    Since men had such high status relative to women, women had no attraction problems to their husbands.

    Happy all would be.

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  105. SFC Ton says:

    rape wasn’t legal it was a property crime against the man who owned her

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  106. SFC Ton says:

    at some point a minim guaranteed income will have to be put in place. Charles Murry Figured out it would be cheaper to give every american 15k( i think) then the current welfare programs.

    Or lots of blood shed. Either is good with me

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  107. Yoda says:

    Almost correct Ton is.
    “Owned the rights to sex with her” better description it is.
    Why the father gives away the bride he does.
    From the protector of her virginity to the owner of her virginity

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  108. Liz says:

    From gamer’s site, linked article:
    “The infrequency of rape helps to keep the value of eggs high. Anti-rape laws exist to artificially keep the value of eggs high. The Feminine Imperative promotes anti-rape laws and seeks to keep the value of eggs high.”

    This is a rape advocacy argument. Yes, I’m spun up Swithy.

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  109. Spawny Get says:

    I’ve heard welfare described as the price paid to not have cities afire.

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  110. Spawny Get says:

    Maybe not visit his site? Not having that stuff here. If the fembots are going to have a go about this site it isn’t going to be because I entertained that.

    A society allowing rape of women will do worse to men. Nobody is happy in shitistan, cept maybe the king of the dungheap…and he’s watching his back.

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    Gamer, can we not do that stuff here? Thanks

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  112. Spawny Get says:

    Just watching The Godfather III, just seen the ‘Just when I thought I was out…they pulled me back in’ line.

    Is it a good film? Not great so far.

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  113. SFC Ton says:

    most def in the usa. negros riot and get more goodies

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  114. Spawny Get says:

    I’m not sure what the lines are here. I think that’s part of the point of allowing mass immigration.

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  115. theasdgamer says:

    @ Liz, Spawney

    I offer a defense against Spawney’s allegation.

    This is a rape advocacy argument.

    Let’s apply context–Zombie Apocalypse. If that occurs, then anti-rape laws and all laws will be moot. All of my discussion on this site is centered around that hypothetical. Context matters.

    Right on cue, the propaganda for the Feminine Imperative is spewed forth. No, I didn’t make a rape advocacy argument. Advocating against anti-rape laws not = advocating for rape. Not that I was advocating against anti-rape laws on Spawney’s site.

    Spawny, Liz trolled your site quoting stuff from mine and then you chided me for it because fembots might get their panties in a twist? Liz posted the text on your site. I didn’t. [shakin’ mah haid]

    NB: Rape was primarily a crime against the head of the household under Roman law. Rape under Roman law meant something considerably different than rape under American law. Coercion wasn’t necessarily involved. If a daughter eloped with a man, he could be accused of rape. Rape, under Roman law, was a violation of the authority of the head of the household. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rape

    Liz, if basic human autonomy is a fundamental human right, then why can men be thrown in jail for not paying alimony or child support when they lack the resources to do so?

    Folks, we have a lot of Blue Pill thinking to rid ourselves of. Let’s unplug from the Matrix.

    This is the end of my discussion on the subject on Spawney’s site.

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  116. Spawny Get says:

    Gamer, did I sound pissed? I just don’t want stuff that can be quote mined on the blog.

    There are no circumstances under which I see doing that as acceptable. I have never seen Liz being okay with the stuff you cite.

    Interesting history lesson, didn’t know that. And it might come in useful in discussion with fembots.

    Thanks for dropping it. Can we all just drop the subject and you lot have a great Friday evening…

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  117. Spawny Get says:

    Basically, it’s been a long week, I’m tired and its midnight here.

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  118. SFC Ton says:

    Rape advocacy? How did I miss that?

    Let’s not be melodramatic now. islam sending women to jail for inciting their own rape is rape advocacy not a reference to rape laws in the past.

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  119. I did not meet w the ex, and don’t plan to anytime soon. After talking it over w the pro, who backed up all that was said here btw, I am feeling very, very relieved. Bullet dodged (mostly). Lessons learned. TGIF!

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  120. Spawny Get says:

    I just want to go to sleep!!!
    I don’t want to wake up to a huge row. I haven’t been reading all the comments, I admit it. I’m not taking sides, I’m not pissed off with anyone.

    How does one spell kumbyah, anyway?

    Please let me sleep safe in the knowledge that a row over stuff that it seems wasn’t said or intended anyway isn’t raging.

    I woke up to that eclipse this morning, the day be cursed, I tell ye.

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  121. At one point male min did screen for women. Background, finances, job prospects, family, character. That and most people lived in communities for life and really knew each other. People didnt date. Men asked permission to be a suitor w the agreement that if she agreed they would marry. Divorce was rare, only in the most extreme cases of obvious mistratment/neglect/abandonment. I think that worked.

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  122. Spawny Get says:

    Bloom, that’s really encouraging that voices on the internet agreed with a professional that knows you irl.

    It’s Saturday here. Saturday afternoon in Kiwiland. Go flaunt your Friday evening elsewhere 😉

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  123. I won’t get in any row spawney, promise! Gnite.

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  124. @ spawney he was happy I had sought feedback from you guys, an outside take. Of course were it not for a year plus of background, I probably never would have shared all that. Imagine the response I likely would have gotten on some red pill sites! I appreciate it, greatly. It was most helpful!

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  125. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I am glad that things are going to your satisfaction. You’ve made friends here and we respect you.
    When you start doing your Friday night shhows again, you’ll be in the forefront of a lot of male attention.

    Spawny Get,
    It is a shame that the fembots have effectively muzzled us from discussing a hot button issue. They’re pretty insidious that way.

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  126. (Crunch, crunch, crunch) cookies of regret and betrayal are proving oddly strength building! Huh…

    I have been reading more on the ex-fiancées method of operation today and it is like a light has gone on! Holy smokes could that have been bad! How people can be so deceptive I do not know, but I feel free and also determined never again. My last significant other fits this same bill. I believe in the good of all people but I can see I need to temper that with something. For my own protection.

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  127. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I am going to offer a suggestion. Put away the cookies of regret and watch a movie with lots of horses. It’s past time to take a break from this.

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  128. Very true fuzzie! I am secretly celebrating. From what I have read, the best way to ward off troubles w the ex-f is to pretend I am heartbroken and desperate, want him back. If I reject him, he will redouble his efforts. I don’t want that. Happy to play the destroyed wallflower while quietly counting my blessings. I don’t want any drama…

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  129. I hope that does not seem deceptive bc I am not. But I got two little Bloomettes to look out for, plus myself. I detest games, but if I have to…. Hopefully he has already moved on. According to what I read this type looks for the next “perfect” one before letting go of the last. Explains the jealousy too. I am too niave!!!

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  130. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    I would say to keep a low profile until you know there is someone else to distract him. I presume you have your sources of intelligence. It woould not be a terrible deception but, better to be beneath notice.
    How are the Bloomettes doing?
    (Thank you Sumo for the name.)

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  131. Sumo says:

    Yer welcome.

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  132. @ fuzzie the Bloomettes are well, I have kept this out of their radar for the most part. They have asked about him a few times and I have said he was busy with work or some such. I really didnt want to have the discussion until I knew myself how things would go. After meeting w the pro, I am sure this is the right direction. I plan to have the chat with them that this has nothing whatsoever to do w them but that we’ve decided not to get married for grown up reasons and that its for the best. Something like that. I think as long as I am ok with it, they will be too. Kids are perceptive. I would not doubt they already know. But they do deserve an explanation. And assurances it’s all ok. I regret more than anything not shielding them more from all of this. He was very convincing. I have much to learn.

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  133. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    Poor Bloomettes. My guess is that feelings on both sides were genuine between your fiance and the Bloomettes.
    For the future, I have no ideas how to shield them, unless you keep prospects comepletely out of the house.

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  134. Liz says:

    “Let’s not be melodramatic now. islam sending women to jail for inciting their own rape is rape advocacy not a reference to rape laws in the past.”

    It’s correct that refering to rape laws of the past is not a rape advocacy argument. Suggesting that we legalize rape at present, and that laws preventing rape should be abolished NOW is. That is what he said here, his own article confirms it. If we weren’t supposed to read it, why provide the link in the first place?

    The conversation I just had did NOT pertain to only exigent, anarchical circumstances like the zombie apocalypse, we started there it didn’t end there…obviously under anarchical conditions NO laws remain in place. This is why I asked specific questions and Spawny assumed theasdgamer was pulling my leg.

    “Liz, if basic human autonomy is a fundamental human right, then why can men be thrown in jail for not paying alimony or child support when they lack the resources to do so?”

    If I’m entitled to property rights protection, then why can people be thrown in jail for not paying taxes? Clearly all theft should be legal too!

    “This is the end of my discussion on the subject on Spawney’s site.”

    Mine too. I cannot believe I just had this conversation.

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  135. Liz says:

    Think this is a good time for a break.
    This was a good fix for my internet OCD habit, so thanks for that. See ya’ all in a few weeks.

    -Liz out

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  136. SFC Ton says:

    So Bloom…. dudes that operate that way are your thing?

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  137. theasdgamer says:

    Spawney, wasn’t sure. I figured the quote-mining was what you were concerned about. I’m not pissed. I’m mildly amused about Liz. Wish her well and all that. (See, I didn’t discuss “the topic” ™.)

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  138. theasdgamer says:

    I believe in the good of all people but I can see I need to temper that with something. For my own protection.

    I follow the opposed philosophy–people are generally bad, but act good as a cover. So, I assume deception and I screen heavily. I figure out what bad I can tolerate and figure I will always have to put up with something. Sometimes my screening fails.

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  139. theasdgamer says:

    “voices on the internet”

    [smile]

    “I stayed home from work today because the voices on the internet told me to clean my guns.”

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  140. theasdgamer says:

    So Bloom…. dudes that operate that way are your thing?

    Her ex-f sounds a bit psychopathic. That’s why he got away with the beta phone thing.

    Nooooo! Bloom likes nice guys, not jerks!

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  141. @ ton guys like this are my thing? How would I put this, I don’t want them to be but it seems I have a blind spot for them that I need to button up. This type comes on strong, keys into what a gal wants and then becomes just that. The typical Prince Charming. So it all seems very good at first. Once they win you over, that’s when their real side emerges and things get a lot less good, then the leave abruptly seeking their next “tru wuv” fix. That’s the mo.

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  142. @ Ton so no, thats not my type, it’s my false type. I want someone who can be and stay in a committed, mutually supportive, and loving relationship, one that starts good and grows deeper and better with time. Great passion, great connection, great companionship. No doubt there will be bumps but those are worked through and the relationship continues. I know such relationships are rare but I have seen them so I know they do exist. That’s my type!

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  143. Spawny Get says:

    It’s not like men don’t complain about the female equivalents that they end up married to / divorced from. Mea culpa.

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  144. SFC Ton says:

    I didn’t say that’s what you want long term but for some reason you fall for that type. You need to figure out why so you won’t

    Which is more or less what I say to men with the same issue

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  145. @ ton yes I do need to figure it out so this will be the last time.

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  146. Sam I Am says:

    “This type comes on strong, keys into what a gal wants and then becomes just that. The typical Prince Charming. So it all seems very good at first. Once they win you over, that’s when their real side emerges and things get a lot less good…”

    This isn’t a man vs woman trait. It’s a human trait. In general, people of all types look out for themselves first, family second, the tribe third, and maybe others after that. The bystander effect and similar psychological examples proves this for 98% of the population.

    It’s better to assume someone is out for him/her and be proven pleasantly wrong than to believe everyone is good and just be horribly disappointed constantly.
    Sad, but true to the highest degree.

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  147. @ ton I also am a target for this type, so i need to beware that too. Not just me personally, but also the reputation and resources I have built. They want to “aquire” all that because they deserve it! (In their mind)

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  148. SFC Ton says:

    Well Prince charming are rarely steady Eddie’s…..

    For guys it’s normally wanting to play captain save a ho thinking saving her will.buy him eternal appreciation, gratitude etc

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  149. Yeah, I have a lot to learn from all this. And I want to learn it so it doesn’t happen again. I want to find the real deal. From what I am reading on this type they believe it all themselves, they don’t see their own pattern. He likely did think I was the one. Justine he thought for every other one. In love with love, but the love cannot sustain reality, after the honeymoon period, they need new love..

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  150. SFC Ton says:

    Most.folks lie to themselves more then anyone else

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  151. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bloom,
    It’s gambling. Just because you know more from previous experience does not change the odds. Every roll of the dice is new,every spin of the wheel is new.

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  152. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    LIz,
    While I don’t know if you will see this, I’ll keep my eyes peeled for good aviation videos for you and Mike.
    Come back soon.

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