Politics – the electorate, the bastards


I wrote a couple of responses to a comment by Ton on a recent thread

I’m looking forward to a Hilliary presidency

obama was the best possible Southern Nationalist recruiter; Hilliary will top his numbers and it’s good for Southern White men to see how alien yankees and their ways are. Nothing does that better then those two

Doesn’t matter who wins the election , either way it will be a big government liberal in the oval office, might as well be the most polarizing marxist and let’s face it, every president of my life time has managed to do a worse job the dumb ass before him. This will be no different.

But really they might as well be here to provide a place for any comments.  The UK politics scene, even though it mirrors the US one to some degree, isn’t of interest to all.

My first reply

“Doesn’t matter who wins the election”

This is what the pros seem to have a problem understanding here. All the UKIP voters are supposed to hear “vote UKIP get Labour” and run back to the Conservatives. Many UKIP voters see no difference on any major scale between the lib, lab and cons. Yep, Labour is extra incompetent, but the the Tories have had 4.5 years and did nothing of note on many major issues. So fuckit, vote for who you want, or vote for fuck the liblabcon, why not? I am very interested to see how many votes go to UKIP, that is how many refuse to hold their nose and vote Tory just to keep out the Labour party.

here’s the second would-have-been-comment, which adds another issue that might not have been visible to you durn furreigners.

There’s a parallel issue for Labour in Scotland BTW.

Part of Labour’s advantage in getting to win the right to form the UK government has always been (for decades anyway) lefty voting Scotland (only one Scottish Tory MP iirc). Now, however, Scotland looks like it’s going harder left than Labour, it’s looking like going SNP (the Nationalist party / Nats) at the election. Labour is going to be bent over and…spanked…in Scotland in May.

There are a couple of issues:

Labour may not be the largest single party after the election (largest gets first chance to form a UK government). 280 labia and 50 nats is not the same as 330 labia when there are 290 Tories. In the first case the Tories get first dibs, in the second labia do – it matters. Even though both labour and the nats are spendaholic incompetents; they’d agree on much.

It looks like many Scots voted for the Union because they know that an independent SNP lead Scotland would have been fucked over in a short period of time (they’re effectively spendaholic commies…it’s what commies do). These people now feel a little guilty, and maybe they’re going to vote SNP to assuage that guilt of failing to vote ‘patriotically’ in the independence vote.

This leaves Labour in a very hard place – it’s all over the news. If they:

a) say that they’ll never do a deal with the nats after the election, then they’re looking like they’re anti-Scottish. They don’t want to deal with the democratically elected SNP MPs…evil.

b) they say they will do a deal…well, hell! why not vote for the SNP if you’re a Scot? But this does hurt labour in the UK.

Labour is desperately trying not to answer the ‘will you do a deal with the SNP right now?’ question.

It really is quite funny at the moment.
UKIP is threatening the Tories (and Labour oop in t’north of England)*
SNP is likely to give Scottish Labour a thrashing.
Greenies are threatening Labour by being anti-austerity to a greater degree and generally grabbing the hard left.
The whole political establishment is refusing to ask why the public fucking hate them for being out of touch and financially bent (not all to a huge degree, but the vast majority to some degree that plays very badly with the public)

*this is not saying that UKIP will get a huge number of seats, but that they may change a large number of results.

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20 comments on “Politics – the electorate, the bastards
  1. Spawny Get says:

    this is a new post!

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  2. theasdgamer says:

    Put up another post and I’ll tack some rails ‘tween ’em.

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  3. Yoda says:

    Scotland industrious they used to be.
    Figuratively and literally it was.
    Nowadays, true this is not.

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  4. Yoda says:

    Sean Connery stands where he does?

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  5. Spawny Get says:

    Doesn’t he stand (with his wallet) in the Caribbean telling the Scots to be independent (including tax the rich tae fuck and bankrupt the country)?

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  6. Spawny Get says:

    Gamer,
    “Put up another post and I’ll tack some rails ‘tween ‘em.”
    I was looking for the “Your attitude has been noted” clip from Top Secret, to show how I warmly appreciate your helpful attitude, but I found this, this is funnier

    Omar Sharif was a spy trapped in a car that was put through a car crusher…

    Also

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  7. Yoda says:

    Here’s our contemporary world as it actually exists: Ayaan Hirsi Ali — a woman who has had a clitoridectomy and has had literally hundreds of death threats, maybe thousands, risking her life daily fighting the horrible mistreatment of her sex under Islamic Sharia — has her honorary degree withheld by Brandeis University while Hillary Clinton — the putative Democratic Party nominee (still, I guess) for president — takes multimillion dollar donations from Saudi Arabia, where women aren’t even allowed to drive.

    Something is wrong with this picture

    Ends justify the means they do.

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  8. jf12 says:

    re: UKGTOW

    I know nothing about party politics in the UK, but I do find it amusing that the first major electoral success of a party whose primary appeal is a call to disentanglement and withdrawal from the EU would be in the form of representatives to the EU Parliament.

    Perhaps it speaks to the mindset of British voters, that they don’t want these guys running things in their own country, but consider them more valuable as EU Parliament-fodder.

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  9. jf12 says:

    re: “the British version of the American Dream.” (from another post, but fits here), or

    Who Would You Rather? Britannia or Columbia?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia

    The most succinct version of the Murikan Dream is the attainability of equal opportunity of upward social mobility, initially based on expansionist policies. Especially with regard to immigrants, what exactly is the British version?

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  10. Spawny Get says:

    “The most succinct version of the Murikan Dream is the attainability of equal opportunity of upward social mobility, initially based on expansionist policies”

    Sounds good to me. But then I like the old American Can Do Spirit. As opposed to the European Poverty Of Expectations. Pre-Thatcher government was about ‘managed decline’, she was such a foot up the arse of everything…but now we’re back to that. That’s what I hate about the EU, it’s all about bureaucracy and micromanaging, but it’s all done by such incompetent, greedy fucking buffoons. The LibLabCon just sits there implementing in detail every euro-measure and denying there’s any problem, nor any alternative.

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  11. SFC Ton says:

    Just like now, it was pretty much only the wealthy who wanted those immigrants

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  12. SFC Ton says:

    The Clintons are corrupt? Everyone knows. No one cares. Complicit the press is; wealthy know they stay bought; their supporters want free shit. This is what you get when the union won the war a the gop as the railroad, the railroad etc was the gop. Now everyone is on the take.expect middle class/ blue collar White men.

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  13. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    The U.S. is gone. What remains is still called the U.S., and what’s replacing it isn’t set in stone (or to be precise, what’s replaced it CAN’T be set in stone because math). But it’s unlikely to be better than the original. Interesting times, and they’re going to get more interesting.

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  14. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Or, to be topical, while the UK may be a decade behind the U.S. in some respects, it’s a decade ahead in others.

    And on a scale of 1 to 10, with the U.S. being 1 and the UK being 10, Japan is giraffe.

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