I wrote a couple of responses to a comment by Ton on a recent thread
I’m looking forward to a Hilliary presidency
obama was the best possible Southern Nationalist recruiter; Hilliary will top his numbers and it’s good for Southern White men to see how alien yankees and their ways are. Nothing does that better then those two
Doesn’t matter who wins the election , either way it will be a big government liberal in the oval office, might as well be the most polarizing marxist and let’s face it, every president of my life time has managed to do a worse job the dumb ass before him. This will be no different.
But really they might as well be here to provide a place for any comments. The UK politics scene, even though it mirrors the US one to some degree, isn’t of interest to all.
My first reply
“Doesn’t matter who wins the election”
This is what the pros seem to have a problem understanding here. All the UKIP voters are supposed to hear “vote UKIP get Labour” and run back to the Conservatives. Many UKIP voters see no difference on any major scale between the lib, lab and cons. Yep, Labour is extra incompetent, but the the Tories have had 4.5 years and did nothing of note on many major issues. So fuckit, vote for who you want, or vote for fuck the liblabcon, why not? I am very interested to see how many votes go to UKIP, that is how many refuse to hold their nose and vote Tory just to keep out the Labour party.
here’s the second would-have-been-comment, which adds another issue that might not have been visible to you durn furreigners.
There’s a parallel issue for Labour in Scotland BTW.
Part of Labour’s advantage in getting to win the right to form the UK government has always been (for decades anyway) lefty voting Scotland (only one Scottish Tory MP iirc). Now, however, Scotland looks like it’s going harder left than Labour, it’s looking like going SNP (the Nationalist party / Nats) at the election. Labour is going to be bent over and…spanked…in Scotland in May.
There are a couple of issues:
Labour may not be the largest single party after the election (largest gets first chance to form a UK government). 280 labia and 50 nats is not the same as 330 labia when there are 290 Tories. In the first case the Tories get first dibs, in the second labia do – it matters. Even though both labour and the nats are spendaholic incompetents; they’d agree on much.
It looks like many Scots voted for the Union because they know that an independent SNP lead Scotland would have been fucked over in a short period of time (they’re effectively spendaholic commies…it’s what commies do). These people now feel a little guilty, and maybe they’re going to vote SNP to assuage that guilt of failing to vote ‘patriotically’ in the independence vote.
This leaves Labour in a very hard place – it’s all over the news. If they:
a) say that they’ll never do a deal with the nats after the election, then they’re looking like they’re anti-Scottish. They don’t want to deal with the democratically elected SNP MPs…evil.
b) they say they will do a deal…well, hell! why not vote for the SNP if you’re a Scot? But this does hurt labour in the UK.
Labour is desperately trying not to answer the ‘will you do a deal with the SNP right now?’ question.
It really is quite funny at the moment.
UKIP is threatening the Tories (and Labour oop in t’north of England)*
SNP is likely to give Scottish Labour a thrashing.
Greenies are threatening Labour by being anti-austerity to a greater degree and generally grabbing the hard left.
The whole political establishment is refusing to ask why the public fucking hate them for being out of touch and financially bent (not all to a huge degree, but the vast majority to some degree that plays very badly with the public)
*this is not saying that UKIP will get a huge number of seats, but that they may change a large number of results.