Life is a Giant Marshmallow Test


If one desires a metric that exemplifies society’s decline, then one could hardly do better than the marshmallow test.  It tests a child’s ability to delay gratification.  Being on the farm as child, I learned this very quickly.  It has done well by me in my life.  It should be standard equipment in everybody’s life.  Alas, it isn’t.

In the days of times past, children could see how their parents worked and struggled.  The children worked and struggled also.  Through all of this, the ability to delay gratification was developed.  If it wasn’t, then events such as “freezing while drunk in an alley” were likely.  Why was the ability to delay gratification important?  It allowed people to do two classes of things,

1.  To continue and complete work that needs to be done.  This work was typically an investment in the future.

2. To avoid impulsive fun things that may be detrimental to your investment in the future.

So what about today?  Children are brought up with little to no responsibilities.  They often have their every whim catered to.  And when young women reach an age where they suddenly attractive to the opposite sex, what will they do?  They will undoubtedly do what they have always done through their childhood, give in to their impulses.   Of course, there is a significant likelihood that if they start down this path that they will become damaged in some way; harming their ability to be a good mother and contented wife.

But one can make the case that it isn’t really all their fault.  The adults in the room never cultivated delayed gratification.  And in this specific case, they very possibly did not warn of the dangers of ahead. This all appears to be a dereliction of duty in being a parent in my eyes.

Perhaps we should go back to an agricultural based economy.  One where children have chores that need to be done.  And if they are not done, the livestock dies.  Would that drive the point home?

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172 comments on “Life is a Giant Marshmallow Test
  1. Cill says:

    Ironically, the people who never learned the marshmallow test are themselves marshmallows : like children, needy and demanding, with prepubescent softness.

    How would a marshmallow respond to this post? Never having been given the test, they’d have no concept of it.

    For me there was no choice but to live with delayed gratification. Shape up or ship out… no, there was no ship out. You simply shaped up because there was no alternative. You went without, until you produced it for yourself. By the age of 8 I could provide food by growing it or by hunting and butchering it.

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  2. Tarnished says:

    “And when young women reach an age where they suddenly attractive to the opposite sex, what will they do?  They will undoubtedly do what they have always done through their childhood, give in to their impulses.”

    Men and women do this both they do. Different ways it impacts society, hmm? Tired of seeing Facebook posts from spoiled bitches and douches I am.

    “One where children have chores that need to be done.”

    Children have chores in nonagricultural homes they do. Young Tarnished had to clean gutters, chop wood, vacuum, cook dinner, and wipe off outside windows he did. Younger siblings not worked as hard…bad for their characters this was.

    Yoda-virus is catching, yes?

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  3. Tarnished says:

    “By the age of 8 I could provide food by growing it or by hunting and butchering it.”

    Had a small orchard, friendly egg-laying chicken, and vegetable garden at grandmother’s house we did. Taught youngling Tarnished to grow food elders did. Much passive learning and active fun it did provide. More kids have this, they should.

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  4. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn,
    Yoda speech virus, highly contagious it is.

    Farm Boy,
    In this day, is it possible for a family to keep their heads above water trying to work a farm?

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  5. Yoda says:

    “They will undoubtedly do what they have always done through their childhood, give in to their impulses.”

    Men and women do this both they do.

    Girls have the power they do.
    With power satisfied impulses do come.

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  6. Yoda says:

    In this day, is it possible for a family to keep their heads above water trying to work a farm?

    Possible it would be.
    Size matters much.
    Bigger the better it is.
    More government subsidies garner one can.

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  7. Yoda says:

    Tarn talking like me she is.
    Long lost daughter she might be?

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  8. Padawan says:

    Yoda speech the official language of this post it is, mmmH?
    With pseudo Yoda speech Tarn this post does fill
    Her native language it clearly is not.

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  9. Yoda says:

    Yoda speech virus, highly contagious it is.

    Molly recovered not.
    Good this would be.

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    Young girls are allowed to exploit their sexuality for all that it is worth (thanks feminism). Furthermore, they have the law very much on their side. What is not to like if you are female?

    So many impulses, so much power…

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  11. Farm Boy says:

    So how many people here would have passed the marshmallow test?

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  12. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    You’re asking that question of a bear? We are notorious for having a sweet tooth.

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  13. Farm Boy says:

    OK, so there is one fail. But that would be a special case.

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  14. Tarnished says:

    Pass I would.

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  15. Padawan says:

    “More government subsidies one can garner”

    No subsidies at all do Kiwi farmers get
    Subsidize the economy the Kiwi farmers do
    The over-valued dollar does farm exports more expensive make
    Lean the Kiwi farmer has to be
    With no hard work, gratification forever will have to wait

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  16. Tarnished says:

    “What is not to like if you are female?”

    Things there are.
    Speak of them in the manosphere one should not.

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  17. Cill says:

    Pass I would
    Produce enough to feed everyone here with ease I do
    Pay for plumbers and electricians I do not.
    All types of work for myself I do.
    For all this I had to work and wait.

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  18. molly says:

    Food! Eat!
    🍕 🍗 🍚 🍝 🍠

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  19. molly says:

    Samples:

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  20. molly says:

    Good night all! See ya 🙂

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  21. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    I completely missed you. I am sorry. 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄
    All is well with me. Thank you for new treats.

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  22. jf12 says:

    re: “Men and women do this both they do.”

    “Both”, feh.

    80% of girls suddenly realize almost all the boys would do them in a heartbeat, all day every day if they could, at about age what? 14? 15? The girls spend all day every day fending OFF interest.

    80% of boys that age realize that almost all girls will never ever want to do anything like that with them ever. At all. Ever. Maybe one, ten or twenty years later, maybe if he works really really really hard to gin up interest. In one. Sometimes. At good times of the month. When she’s not too tired, etc., and he’s done his chores.

    See the diff?

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  23. jf12 says:

    re: “So how many people here would have passed the marshmallow test?”

    Essentially all. In particular, in your sexual example, believe it or not most girls do delay their gratification, basically every month, even though each one knows just exactly how easy it would be to get laid. And for the boys, well let’s just say almost all boys learn to contain themselves, to some extent, after the first week or so of puberty.

    If you mean the actual marshmallow test at age 4 or 5, the answer is still essentially all, here.

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  24. jf12 says:

    Coincidentally, just tonight I thought we had some slightly old marshmallows behind the brown sugar and was gonna put some in our hot chocolate, but she said she had eaten them weeks ago.

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  25. Farm Boy says:

    See the diff?

    Indeed I do. Perhaps one needs to be a regular guy in order to understand what being a regular guy entails.

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  26. Farm Boy says:

    “So how many people here would have passed the marshmallow test?”

    Essentially all.

    Not the bear. But he is excused

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  27. Yoda says:

    Molly, marshmallows you do have?

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  28. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Sunshine Thiry has written a post about tapping her only Sugar Maple tree. For the last two days since it was tapped, there has been no sap in the bucket.
    I suggested that a collegue of mine has discovered her enterprise.

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  29. molly says:

    marshmallow (I think): 🍩

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  30. molly says:

    Let’s see marshmallow maybe not:
    https://s0.wp.com/wp-content/mu-plugins/emoji/twemoji/svg/1f369.svg
    The poster can test all this easier than I can

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  31. Tarnished says:

    FB and jf12,

    When did this post go from being about how the past few generations of kids haven’t been taught that immediate gratification isn’t good for them to dragging out the 80/20 theory?

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  32. Tarnished says:

    “See the diff?”

    No shite. You’d have to be blind and lobotomized to not.

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  33. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    I don’t think that was a marshmallow. I think it was a “O” shaped cookie with icing and sprinkles.
    Got any more?

    Tarnished,
    Call me stupid but, how can the Pareto Principle, the 80/20 rule, explain how statistically wonderful things are for women and so miserable for men given that there is parity in gender?

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  34. jf12 says:

    @Tarnished, re: when

    The sex part was in the OP, but it got 80/20-ready when you said “both”. Yoda mentioned “Girls have the power they do.” just 14 minutes later, for example.

    I’ll drop this line for information, not injury. Post-pubescent girls who bother trying to masculinize their appearances and behaviors universally *primarily* do so to lessen boys’ interest. Period.

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  35. Cill says:

    Yup

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  36. jf12 says:

    Life is like an invisible marshmallow test. But the cake is a lie.

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  37. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,
    There *isn’t* parity in gender. That’s part of why our culture is so screwed up.

    Jf12,
    Yes, it was minutely mentioned in the OP. I won’t debate that at all. But the fact it went straight from being generally about how “kids nowadays” (which I’d be quick to point out includes many people my own age, not just this upcoming generation) can’t wrap their head around delayed gratification/not being spoiled brats to only talking about female sexual power and impulses was a bit of a leap. If that’s the Kinda On-Kinda Off topic we’re going with…hey, it’s cool. It is a good topic so let’s roll with it.

    I was just surprised it angled as quickly as it did, which I pointed out.

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  38. jf12 says:

    “You’ll get pie in the sky when you die, bye and bye.”

    Eternally foregoing a temporal gratification, without any hope or desire of *corresponding* satisfaction, is the advanced level.

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  39. Cill says:

    Tarn
    FYI I dropped my Yup in the wrong place ^^
    I had intended it to come after
    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2015/03/06/life-is-a-giant-marshmallow-test/comment-page-1/#comment-12881

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  40. Tarnished says:

    “I’ll drop this line for information, not injury. Post-pubescent girls who bother trying to masculinize their appearances and behaviors universally *primarily* do so to lessen boys’ interest. Period.”

    Okay…? Not sure what this has to do with anything or how it’s potentially injurious, but it’s 1:30am and I’ve been up for 20 hours straight so I might be missing the connection here.

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  41. Tarnished says:

    It’s all good, Cill. 🙂

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  42. jf12 says:

    re: insult vs injury

    The marshmallow tries to look inedible.

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  43. Cill says:

    Highlanders vs Chiefs

    I’m outa here to watch rugby
    See y’all in another hemisphere

    Cill out for now

    (I’ll return to gloat to all you gloatees – fictitious tho you may be – when the victory is in the bag)

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  44. Tarnished says:

    🎂🎂🎂🎂🍰🍰🍰🍰

    And…with that, I bid thee all a good night. Perhaps things will make more sense in the morning. I hope not though, because what fun is that?

    Bonus: Someone, probably one of those kids we’re talking about, made a very fail burrito. http://luckyshirt.tumblr.com/post/9385209803/this-is-a-story-about-the-worst-burrito-ever

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  45. Tarnished says:

    “The marshmallow tries to look inedible.”

    And it should! Marshmallows are crafted with gelatin, which is not vegetarian. I do not eat marshmallows for this very reason. They are quite tricksky, like hobbitses, looking all soft and delicious and innocent of being made with body parts. But I shall not be fooled!

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  46. Sumo says:

    Actually, you can make marshmallows with agar agar, which is completely vegetarian/vegan/hippie scum friendly.

    Wuv you, Tarn. 😉

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  47. Spawny Get says:

    “I was just surprised it angled as quickly as it did, which I pointed out.”

    The Oracle might point out that…maybe the thread started off topic, it merely achieved topicality more quickly than usual…here ends the philosophical thought for the beuatiful blue sky day. A whopping twelve degrees out. (mid fifties in old money)

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  48. SFC Ton says:

    Pass the marshmallow test… I dislike marshmallows…. I’m the kind of man who strives to have it all, short term gratification and long term payouts. I want it all; I go after all I want but generally they both coincide

    Like jf 12 & FarmBoy, don’t think people understand how many impulses an hour men squash. The ones who don’t squash them end up in jail right quick but at the same time, betas are a little to good at keeping them in check.

    How did it get to the 80/20 rule? How do you manage to bring up Wiccan, gender dysmporhia etc so damn often?

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  49. Liz says:

    Universal suffrage is an adult marshmallow test. The entertainment we choose is an adult marshmallow test. The economic policies we support are an adult marshmallow test.
    Society fails at large. Big time.

    It’s also why the children of celebrities are almost always completely fucked up.

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  50. Lon Spector says:

    How can the Marshmallow test possibly work when people can no longer distinguish
    reality from fantasy? Magical thinking $erves many peoples need$. And the power$
    that be promote it.
    Look who we having ruling of us. And look who we have reporting on those ruling over
    us.

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  51. Liz says:

    Petraeus, who by all appearances seemed to be a disciplined man, failed the marshmallow test when he took five black books filled with classified information home and shared them with his mistress. WTF was he thinking?

    No wonder he resigned so quickly as CIA Director. Didn’t let the door hit him where the good Lord split him. “Nothing to see here, folks! I simple lapse in judgement…you should stop the investigation now. I’m leaving….really, nothing to see here….”

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  52. Tarnished says:

    Why scfton, I didn’t know you cared so much! As a matter of fact, the last time I brought up gender dysphoria in any meaningful context was my Jan 22 post detailing how utterly moronic I thought it was that the Penny Arcade guys were getting hate mail over the fact they stated that “women have vaginas”. Because it is true…the presence of a vagina typically means you are of the female sex.

    As for Wicca/Paganism, it came up on the Dec 24 post due to the holiday season. Other than that, it only does when you bring it out to mock. Which I seem to recall you telling me is a purely northern US thing, since southerners would never be so impolite as to openly dislike someone for their beliefs.

    Calm your balls, bro.

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  53. Tarnished says:

    “The Oracle might point out that…maybe the thread started off topic, it merely achieved topicality more quickly than usual…”

    Do oracles typically have such pronounced movie star good looks?

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  54. SFC Ton says:

    LOL delusional you are. You bring one or the other up Damon near every thread

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  55. Liz says:

    “How can the Marshmallow test possibly work when people can no longer distinguish
    reality from fantasy? Magical thinking $erves many peoples need$. And the power$
    that be promote it.
    Look who we having ruling of us. And look who we have reporting on those ruling over
    us.”

    Lon, you’re absolutely right here.
    But how on earth can you post something like this and than turn around and talk about the “secret language of birthdays”?

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  56. jf12 says:

    My imaginary marshmallows, yet to be awarded, will be bigger and yummier than the ones you imagine for yourself! So therefore I’m more motivated.

    Not.

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  57. Cill says:

    “My imaginary marshmallows, yet to be awarded, will be bigger and yummier than the ones you imagine for yourself!”

    “yourself” is… who?

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  58. jf12 says:

    re: “how many impulses an hour men squash”

    Hmm. If we count strictly sexual impulses, even limited unconscious (“Hey! Look there, dummy!”) and assuming I’m around multiple women (which is a key factor, but I’d have to think about why it is hard to express. If I’m stuck with a lone woman, any rejected or squashed sexual impulse becomes self-squashing in a sort of internal loop. More than two or three, it’s not self-squashing. The presence of men is irrelevant.), for example out in public in a crowd, then with some kind of inverse distance factor, generic attraction to slim majority of females, generic demographic fraction (e.g. half) of females, speeds of approach on the order of about a meter per second, divided by some meterish space-filling factors, now I’ve run out of fingers to count on. I’ll have to pull off my socks.

    Anyway I think it’s often hundreds. Usually dozens, maybe.

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  59. jf12 says:

    re: ““yourself” is… who?”

    Errbody. I’m a-tellin ya. Bigger *and* yummier.

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  60. Yoda says:

    “how many impulses an hour men squash”

    Feminism sometimes made this easier it has.
    Empowered types, bitch face types much easier to ignore they are.
    Feminine types much rarer they would be.

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  61. Cill says:

    Tarn, “Hi!”
    Is all.
    I just thought a positive comment from someone might be a pleasant change, for you.
    Although Sumo did say wuv you, and I endorse that.
    Onya.
    Is all.

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  62. jf12 says:

    Since as we’re discussing a man feels sexual practically always, then necessarily almost always he is having to delay gratification. Maybe it is because of this constant repression that he counts his attraction to women as generic; very (very!) few women are specially attractive (really, fewer are specially attractive than are specially unattractive).

    In contrast, during the few times that a woman feels sexual then almost always she not-so-secretly believes every man is *specially* attracted to her. “He was looking at just me! Not you too, b-tch!”

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  63. Yoda says:

    For many men sexually it is delayed gratification not.
    More like gratification never it will be.
    Difficult for society to teach this is.

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  64. jf12 says:

    Waiting a little bit may make the heart grow fonder. But waiting any more than that makes the heart go yonder. Somebody’s Principle.

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  65. Yoda says:

    Waiting a little bit may make the heart grow fonder. But waiting any more than that makes the heart go yonder.

    Too much waiting and MGTOW it does ponder.

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  66. Tarnished says:

    Thank you so much, Sumo and Cill. For the hellos and ideas about vegetarian marshmallows.

    Both are very appreciated. 👍

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  67. Cill says:

    Can vegetarian marshmallows possibly be good?
    Not as good as Marmite, I’ll wager. Or blue lobster.

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  68. jf12 says:

    If you cut up mallow roots into boiling water, it will foam up into a mucilaginous mess, much like boiling okra. It never solidifies. Apparently the original marshmallow recipe used mallow root and egg white.

    In other news, Robo CareBears probably will precede, and outsell, gynoids. The technological capability for adequatish *female* sex robots has been around for five or six decades (transistors being preferable to tubes), but their commercial production has been interminably delayed..

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  69. jf12 says:

    When young women do happen to suppress whatever little bit of desire they might have (“omg, that Tony is soooooooooooo hot!” “I know! It almost makes me want to take off my skirt and dance in front of him.” “lol. Me too. But then Daphne is already basically doing that, the b-tch.” “yeh, the sl-t. She made sure Bill saw her bend over too.” “Bill? Ugh! I sure wouldn’t want Bill to think I was a slut like Daphne.”), it is primarily to deprive unwanted males.

    Even if you don’t want to think of women as marshmallows, you can think of women as professors doling out marshmallows (and electric shocks) and get a more useful view.

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  70. jf12 says:

    Over to the Donal’s, the feminine continues to misunderestimate male libido. Women fail to comprehend, or believe maybe, that men’s attraction floor is so low. “Whaddaya mean she’s attractive enough but not very?”

    “How hard could it be to suppress sexual attraction? Like, out of the thousands of men I’ve interacted with over the past couple of years, like, who have messaged me on Tinder or tried to say hello, only a couple of guys were kinda, like, hot enough to bother fooling with. Why can’t men be more like me, and just find one or two attractive girls of the thousands of women who are trying to contact them?”

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  71. jf12 says:

    Is the delay of gratification from (possibly stale) unwrapped plain marshmallows dumped on a not-very-clean table *actually* correlated with the delay of gratification from “well, maybe just one” chocolates?

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  72. Yoda says:

    Why can’t men be more like me, and just find one or two attractive girls of the thousands of women who are trying to contact them

    Because men are hypergamous not.
    Works out better for women this fact does.

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  73. Yoda says:

    unwrapped plain marshmallows dumped on a not-very-clean table

    An allusion to something there I do suspect.
    Not sure what it would be.

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  74. jf12 says:

    re: hypergamy and marshmallows

    Susan Walsh was complaining yet again about men failing to properly appreciate the gift of being rejected by women. “Just Man Up already and get rejected wouldja? That’s what RealMen™ do. Women like to reject men, so don’t deprive women of that.”

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  75. jf12 says:

    re: allusion

    Well, I think the allusion itself is less important than the nagging question of levels of desire. For excample it’s very easy for me to delay burrito-gratification for a few hours, after having a nice taco lunch. Is the ability to delay marshmallow gratification *experimentally* correlated with delaying any other kind of gratification?

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  76. Yoda says:

    “Just Man Up already and get rejected wouldja? That’s what RealMen™ do. Women like to reject men, so don’t deprive women of that.”

    No apparent use to society doing this would seem.
    A net negative to it appear it would.

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  77. Yoda says:

    Even if you don’t want to think of women as marshmallows, you can think of women as professors doling out marshmallows (and electric shocks) and get a more useful view.

    Professors have rules of conduct for such experiments they do.
    To protect experimentee they do.
    Do women such rules they have?

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  78. Yoda says:

    Women as a whole put all eggs into sexual attraction and the law they do.
    Risky this would be.

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  79. jf12 says:

    re: “Do women such rules they have?”

    Interesting question, albeit not to be answered by anything except male observation of women’s behaviors.

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  80. Yoda says:

    the thousands of women who are trying to contact them?

    If only true this would be.

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  81. Liz says:

    What about violating security precautions and compromising classified materials for a marshmallow?

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  82. Yoda says:

    Hillary to which you do refer?

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  83. Liz says:

    I was talking about Petraeus…I haven’t heard that about Billary.

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  84. Yoda says:

    Use personal unsecured email account as Secretary of State she did.

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  85. Yoda says:

    Women like to reject men, so don’t deprive women of that.

    Deprive them of the support from taxes we should.

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  86. Yoda says:

    Cold today in Midwest it is.
    Bear hibernates again he does.

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  87. Liz says:

    Not that I have any love for Billary, but I doubt she used it to transfer classified documents.

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  88. Liz says:

    Although Petraeus news coming out right after Billary’s news is coincidence, I think not. Very interesting timing.

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  89. Cill says:

    ” the thousands of women who are trying to contact them?

    If only true this would be.”

    I don’t understand why any MGTOW would pine for the people who give men so much grief. It’s like a Jew in 1930s Germany pining for contact with Nazis. Women are not worth it – unless their attempts to make contact are extraordinary. It’s a foolish man who hangs around for extraordinary contact. What would happen if all MGTOW lost this pining?

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  90. Yoda says:

    Perhaps less grief they would give if position elevated not it were.

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  91. jf12 says:

    re: Petraeus

    To whom many marshmallows are given, much favors are expected.

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  92. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Sorry for being late to the party. I took some time out to watch thiw linked to your link to the Washington Examinier.

    Why do I think that Auburn University is going to settle out of court for something in seven figures?

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  93. jf12 says:

    re: WWMGTOWD?

    Although I do think my son has been happier for a couple of years now that he believes the fjord is a lie (he has given up pining because there has never been any “extraordinary contact”, “extraordinary” here meaning “the slightest bit of any sexual interest at all from any female in more than a decade since puberty”), I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised that he would flip if a non-repulsive female started showing *any* overt interest in him. (His last try, a hard 3 (more 2.5 than 3.5) thought she could do better.)

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  94. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    From Jf12,
    Susan Walsh was complaining yet again about men failing to properly appreciate the gift of being rejected by women. “Just Man Up already and get rejected wouldja? That’s what RealMen™ do. Women like to reject men, so don’t deprive women of that.”

    To Susan Walsh,
    You know, we might put ourselves out there more if the out come wasn’t a forgone conclusion.

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  95. Yoda says:

    To whom many marshmallows are given, much favors are expected.

    A firm marshmallow she would be.
    Into fitness she was.

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  96. Yoda says:

    “Fjord” a reference to what it is?

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  97. Yoda says:

    “Just Man Up already and get rejected wouldja? That’s what RealMen™ do. Women like to reject men, so don’t deprive women of that.”

    Much they want.
    Little they deliver.

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  98. Cill says:

    “Just Man Up already and get rejected wouldja? That’s what RealMen™ do. Women like to reject men, so don’t deprive women of that.”

    Did some batty cow say that, or similar? If so, where?

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  99. jf12 says:

    re: It’s not your marshmallows, it’s me.

    We must freely reinterpret SW’s “Girlz Rool!” statement: “Rejection is also an unavoidable by-product of a woman’s right to carefully select her sexual partners.” as: “Quit yer whinin’! The rejection of you good guys is unavoidable because she has the right to incautiously get th’ bad boys out of, um, in to, her system, and then she has the right to a happy life with one of you good guys she has kept waiting. So get used to it, bucko.”

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  100. jf12 says:

    re: generalizability

    The short answer is that the ability to delay one type of gratification is not significantly generalizable to other types with other levels of desirability, according to references in
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification

    This reminds me of a long discussion I had elsewhere, in which I eventually determined that there were a limited number of things that could actually be sublimated and a limited number of ways to do so.

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  101. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Every man has his own limit with rejection. Given how “choice addiction” has exploded in the last two decades, it wouldn’t surprise me if most men have red lined.
    If Susan Walsh wants to defend this, fine. We don’t have to listen.

    After watching that video that I linked a few comments back, one has to wonder what would motivate a man to support a society that would abuse him to that extent?

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  102. jf12 says:

    About the only thing I easily arouse in women is ire.

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  103. jf12 says:

    It’s a huge National Crisis that up to 36% of young Japanese men have given up on striving to get a woman, and the race is on to find some kind of desperate cure for herbivorism. But for some reason, the fact that fully half of young Japanese women have zero interest in any sexual contact, is considered totally irrelevant.
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

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  104. Cill says:

    Hmm. I found it here:

    http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2015/02/25/personal-development/keep-risking-rejection/

    There’s no danger of me becoming a regular visitor at that site.

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  105. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    A while ago, Dalrock wrote up how a typical woman needs a pool of hundres of men to choose from and it still may not be enough.

    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/she-needs-more-men/

    Excuse me, but this is beyond ridiculous.

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  106. jf12 says:

    If the response to “You can have one marshmallow right now, or two marshmallows in a little while, or a truly scrumptious Giant Marshmallow if you keep waiting long enough.” be “I don’t ever want any of your steenking marshmallows, you feelthy pendejo.”, is that considered delayed?

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  107. Yoda says:

    About the only thing I easily arouse in women is ire.

    Why is this as it is?

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  108. Yoda says:

    It’s a huge National Crisis that up to 36% of young Japanese men have given up up

    Europe not far behind it is.

    http://www.hoover.org/research/eu-experiment-has-failed

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  109. Yoda says:

    But for some reason, the fact that fully half of young Japanese women have zero interest in any sexual contact, is considered totally irrelevant.

    “These are not the facts that you are looking for. Move along”

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  110. jf12 says:

    re: EU

    Ok, but are 59% of young EU women uninterested/disgusted by the very idea of sex?
    http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2011/01/13/no-sex-please-were-young-japanese-men/

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  111. Spawny Get says:

    The thing is:
    1) most men don’t enjoy approaching
    2) the woman has to be attractive enough to take the risk
    3) the odds have to be favourable enough
    4) not had personal experience of the nuclear reaction stuff (too old mature prolly), but I’d not bother approaching a woman who I thought likely to go in for that kind of thing (though if she were that type, that will massively detract from her attractiveness – like bitchface).

    3- given the number of men women believe they have to chose from is so high, women mistake how little it matters when they make a mistake. How many high quality offers they will get given (as opposed to ONS / FWB etc)
    4- Have women got too entranced by the intra-herd competition (where a nuclear put down of a guy is a positive thing within the herd) that they’ve forgotten that their personal chances of finding a man are affected by how men see her?

    Women appear to be fucking up their game. They’re not supposed to price themselves completely out of the market by being unapproachable bitches, or too horrible to attract attention in the first place. Then you have the women Tommy was talking about (I think in all shades) that appear to manage both simultaneously.

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  112. jf12 says:

    re: truthiness PageRank

    Currently, higher pageranks can be bought anyway. So maybe we will literally “buy the truth” now.

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  113. jf12 says:

    re: rejection.

    Fact: Men are more likely to ask out a woman, and rate her photo as slightly more attractive, when told she was recently dumped by some guy.
    Fact: Women are more likely to agree to a date with a man, and rate his photo as significantly more attractive, when told he recently dumped a girl.

    Fact: Women are much less likely to agree to a date with a man, and rate his photo as slightly less attractive, when told he was recently dumped by a girl.
    Fact: Men are much less likely to ask out a woman, and to rate her photo as slightly less attractive, when told she recently dumped some guy.

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  114. Yoda says:

    In modern world facts matter not.
    Believe what we desire because afford it we can.

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  115. jf12 says:

    re: “given the number of men women believe they have to chose from is so high, women mistake how little it matters when they make a mistake”

    This particular cognitive bias has not been well recognized in the cognitive bias community. More attention has been paid to women underperceiving commitment.

    http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/unify_uploads/files/evolution%20of%20cognitive%20bias%20for%20Buss%20handbook%202E%20final.pdf

    It makes perfect sense for (most) men to overperceive women’s special sexual interest (question: what does that imply to you about for the large percentage of men like us who have perceived little to no interest, specifically and in general?) It doesn’t seem to help a woman to overperceive men’s special interest, given the huge general interest. But maybe there’s a beam in me eye.

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  116. Yoda says:

    It doesn’t seem to help a woman to overperceive men’s special interest, given the huge general interest.

    The difference between the MMP and the SMP part of this it is.

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  117. Yoda says:

    Women appear to be fucking up their game. They’re not supposed to price themselves completely out of the market by being unapproachable bitches, or too horrible to attract attention in the first place.

    Eventually settle they do.
    Works poorly this does.

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  118. Yoda says:

    “Rejection is also an unavoidable by-product of a woman’s right to carefully select her sexual partners.”

    Overplaying this hand they are.
    End well it will not.

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  119. Yoda says:

    If you’re still trying to figure out why bringing greater awareness to a global travesty merits criticism, I’ve started a club. Awareness itself seems to be a pervasive 21st century goal. The NFL spends a month every season dressing football players in pink to “raise awareness” for a disease that roughly 99% of the adult population knows about.

    What the article is really about is the fact that leftists don’t feel alive unless they’re absolutely miserable. They want the world to perpetually be in need of saving, but only as long as it’s their brand of saving that is being done. Crazy Jesus people need not help, even if they’re a great help

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  120. Spawny Get says:

    Still trying to get people to watch HouseBound…can’t imagine it’ll be up long. Watch it on US Netflix

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  121. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    “Women appear to be fucking up their game. They’re not supposed to price themselves completely out of the market by being unapproachable bitches, or too horrible to attract attention in the first place.”

    There is only one possible positive takeawy from this. Whoever sold women on this has to be one heck of a salesman.
    That’s it.

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  122. Spawny Get says:

    Saleswoman. Most likely a psychotic man hating lesbian feminist…Those fun loving, sunny dispositioned chappettes that we all love so dearly.

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  123. molly says:

    The chappettes deserve a head-butt, from me 😚
    Grub’s up F. Wuzzie! 🍣 🍦 🍩

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  124. Yoda says:

    Whoever sold women on this has to be one heck of a salesman.

    Not such a good salesperson it was.
    Woman should just look to short term and not long all that it took it did.

    Marshmallows matter much they do.

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  125. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly!!
    TREATS!!!! Yummy yummy! Bear is always happier for your presence.

    How can those wacky feminists be so presuasive?
    Give them lots of head butts, Molly!

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  126. molly says:

    I will I will mistreat them, especially Big Red! lol

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  127. Farm Boy says:

    Now that the small dust-up earlier has died down, I will try to explain things a bit more fully. But first, I will bring up the concept of “moral equivalence”. This is a common approach used by apologists of a group (A) that has done something morally wrong. The idea is that the group (B) complaining about what the other group (A) did also has something in their (B) background that is morally bad. So it all cancels out and we all can go home. But more often than not, the bad thing in group B’s background seems worse than it really was, or it happened a long time ago, etc. But this does not matter, as most people are intellectually lazy, and the “moral equivalence” argument is taken at face value.

    So, Tarn responded

    “And when young women reach an age where they suddenly attractive to the opposite sex, what will they do? They will undoubtedly do what they have always done through their childhood, give in to their impulses.”

    Men and women do this both they do.

    The “Men and women do this both they do” is true enough. However, it triggers in many a person the “moral equivalence” detector. Perhaps it was not intended to be interpreted in that way. But that is how it played out for me and undoubtedly others.

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  128. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    Leave Big Red alone! Padawan has plans.

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  129. molly says:

    Fuzzie should mistreat the fembots better, his claws are whopper sized 😡
    Tear them to shreds, F. Wuzzie Bear (Esq)
    It’s worth a couple of 🌯 🌯 I reckon!

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  130. molly says:

    Pouffy King Tut would get Big Red good. Like when his men fought Batman and Robin, he’d hide and say:
    “Don’t forget to use yer n-a-a-i-l-s boys!”

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  131. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    Bears are pretty gentle. We don’t start fights. When it comes to fembots, I like Padawan’s plan. It has the merit of being amusing.
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄

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  132. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    I am starting to worry about you. You’re channeling all your energy into imagining yourself as being physically agressive. Have you thought about how much happier everyone would be if you were physically affectionate? That'[s the bear in me talking. We tend to be affectionate.

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  133. molly says:

    Molly smooches fembots like –
    biff! kapow! wollop! >:D
    lol
    (I’m not mad usually, I’m a softee 🙂 )

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  134. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    You’re a Rainbow ninja furby. Perhaps it’s my orientation as a boy bear. I don’t see much sense in beating up fembots. It would be more useful to rehabilitate them. Then, they would make sandwiches.

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  135. molly says:

    Yeah but I do sammies as well
    Kingsize 4 layer Molly Special – 🍔

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  136. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    “Kingsize 4 layer Molly Special ”
    You’re making a bachelor bear’s mouth water at the thought.
    It’s time to sleep now and dream of Molly’s sandwiches.
    Good night.

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  137. molly says:

    Sweet dreams Fuzzie 🐻
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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  138. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    zzzzzFurbieszzzzOrcaszzzzzFurbieszzzzzzzOrcaszzzzzzEveryone eating wonderful Molly sandwicheszzzzz

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  139. SFC Ton says:

    Fuzzie the gentle bear? Sure!
    Bears in general? Hell no.

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  140. Yoda says:

    Lotsa food makes bear sleep it does.

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  141. Liz says:

    JF12: “Fact: Men are more likely to ask out a woman, and rate her photo as slightly more attractive, when told she was recently dumped by some guy.”

    That’s interesting. I thought N mattered…wouldn’t the above indicate she’d been used and dumped? Why would that make her MORE attractive than a woman with no indications of being used and dumped?

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  142. Yoda says:

    The bill, R50-70, was authored by Social Ecology Representative Matthew Guevara, and accuses all flags, especially, the American flag, of being “symbols of patriotism or weapons for nationalism.”

    “[F]lags construct paradigms of conformity and sets [sic] homogenized standards for others to obtain which in this country typically are idolized as freedom, equality, and democracY.” Tweet This

    “[F]lags construct paradigms of conformity and sets [sic] homogenized standards for others to obtain which in this country typically are idolized as freedom, equality, and democracy,” the bill reads.

    Go to school to be victims they do.
    Not particularly useful to society this is.

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  143. Yoda says:

    If appear to be stupid one does want.
    Talking like Mr. Guevera effective it is.

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  144. jf12 says:

    re: “wouldn’t the above indicate she’d been used and dumped?”

    Maybe but not necessarily. One of the articles, “Rejection Hurts: The Effect of Being Dumped on Subsequent Mating Efforts”
    http://www.epjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/EP08682694.pdf
    used, of course!, young college students (freshman, sophomores). It’s probable that MOST of the males had found females to be very very very very (you get the idea) difficult for them so far, and it’s simply rational that they’d go for the easier gal (N=2 now instead of N=1, plus she’s ready for a rebound).

    In contrast, women’s preferences always skew in the direction of the male hurting women. Always.

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  145. jf12 says:

    I think “N matters” specifically to the men to whom women claim it ought NOT to matter: their future husbands, ltr boyfriends, able men; “he should care about ME, not my N”. But men whom women claim to not prefer, i.e. men who seek to pump and dump, will think N doesn’t matter, of course. In addition, incels and other thirsties just trying to get laid by any woman, will think N doesn’t matter.

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  146. jf12 says:

    re: levels of desire

    If someone immediately horks down all the marshmallows on the table without waiting, maybe he doesn’t necessarily like marshmallows but he was starving.

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  147. Spawny Get says:

    A bit of pointed fun…the fembot future in all it’s glory

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  148. Yoda says:

    We’ve seen some real cultural normative shifts — and candidly it often has to be men who lead the way,” Clinton said when asked specifically about gender equality in Japan. “In countries where we’ve seen real declining rates in child marriage, of female genital mutilation, it has always been the result of a real cross-sector coalition [with men leading].”

    Japan’s a role model she uses.
    She knows not of what she says.
    Par for the course this would be.

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  149. Yoda says:

    We’ve seen some real cultural normative shifts

    Use of the word “normative” automatically lowers IQ assessment down by 20 points it does.

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  150. Cill says:

    Writers Corner

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  151. Liz says:

    Chelsea is the little rich girl who says she has tried to care about money, but just can’t. Master of the moronic, she is.

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  152. Farm Boy says:

    Chelsea is the little rich girl who says she has tried to care about money, but just can’t.

    I suppose that this is her attempt to appear awesomely virtuous.

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  153. Farm Boy says:

    And of course she works for the Clinton Foundation. And she has never had to worry about money.

    I wonder if she realizes how ridiculous her “not care about money” statement came across…

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  154. Liz says:

    I’m sure she has no idea whatsoever.
    She was raised by the most hypocritically absurd couple of good-for-me-not-for-thee moralistic preeners on the planet.

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  155. Farm Boy says:

    Interesting this is,

    Journalism ensued when Gottlieb looked into the social-science research. It turned out to confirm, in general terms, the boyfriend’s hypothesis. A study published last year in the American Sociological Review found, as Gottlieb sums it up, that couples had less-frequent sex if husbands performed “what the researchers characterized as feminine chores like folding laundry, cooking or vacuuming” than if they did “what were considered masculine chores, like taking out the trash or fixing the car.” The researchers also reported a correlation between a “more traditional . . . division of labor” and the wife’s sexual satisfaction.

    Julie Brines, one of the study’s authors, sums up the findings to Gottlieb as follows: “The less gender differentiation, the less sexual desire.” So sex differences are sexy: Once again, science confirms the obvious. . . . Society has become vastly more accepting of adults with unusual sexual identities. More tolerance of the usual–including ordinary differences between men and women–would do a lot to promote human flourishing.

    From
    http://www.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304434104579382843021859308

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  156. Liz says:

    I read a study like that a couple of years back (or maybe last year?). I remember there was a link on JFG, and then some poster named Jen (I think) claimed it made her ‘hot’ to share chores with her boyfriend. Call me skeptical.

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  157. […] response to jf12’s question “Why can’t men be more like me, and just find one or two attractive girls of the thousands […]

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  158. Farm Boy says:

    I think “N matters” specifically to the men to whom women claim it ought NOT to matter: their future husbands,

    If a woman wants to be a wife, then she should be demonstrating wifely behavior.

    If a woman wants to be a whore, then she should be demonstrating whorish behavior.

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  159. Spawny Get says:

    “Use of the word “normative” automatically lowers IQ assessment down by 20 points it does.”

    progressive
    problematic
    patriarchy
    misogyny

    Takes an average IQ woman down to zero with the use of just those five words…right down to radfem levels.

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