Conversations With The Bear

In the course of discussing my previous post, regular commenter Fuzzie said:

Blurkel, I have been quiet today digesting your post. Married men are in a pickle. It seems that they have been set up as chumps and the overwhelming majority of women are going to take advantage of the situation.

This got me to thinking about a theory I’ve had for a long time as to how this situation came about.

Historically from about the Renaissance period, men were generally self-employed farmers, craftsmen, or tradesmen. Most never ventured far from home, not even while working, as the residence was not far from the place of business. They were thus readily available for the unforeseen family problem which might arise. Such a condition was likely to only be interrupted by the outbreak of war. Then, the wives and children of such men were trained and expected to continue the operation of the family business until he returned, and to carry on in the event he did not.

The Industrial Revolution disrupted these traditions. No longer was a man the master of his own fate. He had indentured himself to the orders of another in trade for a wage. The hours he was expected to be on the job added up to more time than any other activity across the week, regularly more than sleeping. 80 hours “on the clock” wasn’t unheard of. In the event of an unforeseen necessity, he could be summoned to work on short notice no matter what else he’d already done.

This obligation had a price: family time. It fell to the wife to fill in when the husband was otherwise occupied. The threat “Wait until your father gets home” evolved for use when her authority wasn’t enough to control unruly children. It had to work well most of the time, for who wanted to face a very tired and angry sire?

But just because Dad was working for another, war still ended up taking him away.

The earliest examples I can locate of women working industrial jobs comes from the US Civil War. At least three separate disasters in weapons manufacture -at Allegheny PA, Brown’s Island outside Richmond VA, and The Washington Arsenal in the District of Columbia- report significant numbers of female casualties. Both sides didn’t have enough men for all of the arms manufacture necessary to conduct the war, and in fact women were preferred to do certain jobs: “Because women had much more slender fingers they were better able to pack the cartridges containing the gunpowder in their casings“.

War has repeatedly given women opportunities they wouldn’t have had otherwise. A largely female work force constructed armaments during American participation in both World Wars, and likely in other nations involved in those conflicts. This had to have affected the societal psychology. I see the WWI female workforce being energized to push for voting rights, which were delivered very shortly after the Armistice and became the law in 1920. I can’t point to a similar “reward” for the WWII workforce, but in both cases women were fired to make room for returning soldiers, and back home they went.

I have heard that there were often marital issues between the working wife and the returning soldier husband. She had gotten used to dealing with life and solving its problems without his assistance, and she wasn’t about to surrender that empowerment. Out he went.

Encouraged by such little victories, those who knuckled under to the return of “The Way Things Are Supposed To Be” eventually got tired of being submissive after tasting the dominant lifestyle, and the women’s movement emerged. One has to ask if something along the lines of the reward granted to the WWI workforce might have deterred this from happening.

But that wasn’t done. Men were still expected to devote more time and energy to the job than they had left to devote to everything else, and women had no limitation on their activities when he wasn’t there. Why do housework when there is a gardening club meeting – or a lingerie show – or a sex toy expo? And so on.

Stuck on the job, there wasn’t much men could do about any of this. And as the economy began to consider men obsolete and expendable, it only opened the door for women to assume yet another formerly male role as the bread winner. He ended up staying home doing her traditional roles, only to hear all too often that he wasn’t doing it right.


Those of us caught up in that condition post-marriage didn’t have any good options. Our lives were pretty much over whether we stayed or divorced. Our lives weren’t our own, and we found little satisfaction or reward for the sacrifice.

As Fuzzie later added: “While half of all marriages end in divorce, it seems the ones that hang in there are suffering too.” Whoop, there it is! “I do have profound and justified fear of losing myself by getting married and becoming a “yes.dear” husband.

Increasingly, men globally share that fear. In Japan, the millennials are known as “herbivores” because they appear not to have the normal “animalistic” instincts of their ancestors. In Germany, authorities have worried for years that their young aren’t interested in procreation, and thus don’t marry. As late as last month, a Pew Research study reportedly found that If trends continue, millennials will have the lowest marriage rates in modern history.

The official explanation has to do with economics, but that isn’t the only reason. I’ve reported many times that my adult sons are in no hurry to date much less marry. One is open about how he doesn’t see any women worthy of his efforts. Economics has nothing to do with that, does it?

I don’t know for sure how things are going to turn out, but things can’t remain as they are. The only way this game is going to end is for men to not play it anymore. The smart ones already know how to maintain their own residences, taking care of their own domestic needs once done by women. The rest need to learn.

The only remaining issue for men is sex. One has to be very selective about this. Married men end up learning how to do without since that “steady supply” promised as a marital privilege rarely materializes. Single men have to worry about the unplanned pregnancy and common law statutes. It’s no fun, but doing without eliminates the way most men succumb to female blandishments. If that isn’t acceptable, there are always pros who aren’t going to call you up crying that she’s late.

It boils down to this: how important is having a life to you? Get a woman in it, and she takes your name, then your future, then your money, then your house and any kids you have, and you get the leftovers. Sound like a great deal?

I didn’t think so.

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194 comments on “Conversations With The Bear
  1. Spawny Get says:

    I don’t wish to have another new post up and this post is the most relevant to the male mindset issue in life.

    Francis Roy has another post up that needs a look. I won’t just paste the video here too because Francis’ posts are worth a look while you’re over there
    Francis Roy ; this is real MGTOW


  2. Spawny Get says:

    That’s a great post Blurkel, Painfully true too. I’ll be back later with more comments, I think I’ll mull over what I want to say while you lot sleep.


  3. Yoda says:

    Men were still expected to devote more time and energy to the job

    True this was.
    True this always will be.
    Society can afford change here not.

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  4. Yoda says:

    Women made a man who wants a family to call his own extinct they have.
    Sorry they will be.


  5. Spawny Get says:

    Do you think that the femcnutlawyer in this repeatedly forgets to mention men because maybe, just maybe, she doesn’t give a fuck about them? Just a suspicion that I feel bad about.

    She keeps claiming things without evidence (how do we know what were joint decisions? what about the joint decision post divorce that the ex wife continue not to work…did that even happen?), seeks to make equivalent the suffering of men and the tiny proportion of women caught up in this that fail to get their pussy pass working for them. We need to burn marriage down.

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  6. Yoda says:

    seeks to make equivalent the suffering of men and the tiny proportion of women caught up in this that fail

    Moral equivalence this would be.
    Disturbs the force greatly it does.
    And in a good way not.


  7. Spawny Get says:

    Couple of links from a UK blog that is new to me Herbert Purdy

    Marriage really is finished: it’s over

    Today, it is clear that marriage is neither lifelong, nor a covenant – for women. We must face it, marriage as it has been known for centuries is finished: it is over, drowned in a swirling sea of ‘equality’ and lack of honour – in women.

    Divorce: Get the judges out of it!
    Quote from 2004

    ‘On 11 November 2003 a wholly deserving father left my court in tears having been driven to abandon his battle for contact with his seven-year-old daughter… Those who are critical of our family justice system may well see this case as exemplifying everything that is wrong with the system… There is much wrong with our system and the time has come for us to recognise that fact and to face up to it honestly. If we do not we risk forfeiting public confidence.’

    Possibly a little late there Your ‘Honour’

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  8. Spawny Get says:

    No conversation on this topic can be complete without

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  9. Yoda says:

    lack of honour – in women.

    As a Jedi, bothers me much this does.


  10. Yoda says:

    If we do not we risk forfeiting public confidence.’

    That Bantha left the housing unit it has.

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  11. Spawny Get says:

    “As a Jedi, bothers me much this does.”

    Relax my bestest Jedi buddy, this concern of yours is balanced by the other half of humanity not giving a shit about the issue. Indeed, it’s considered empowering.

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  12. Yoda says:

    Indeed, it’s considered empowering.

    Which it would be?
    To vows do break?
    Or not a shit to give?

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  13. Spawny Get says:

    Women want it both ways…women always want it both ways.

    Explained here

    If you need to skip to the money shot, try the three minute mark, Well 2:57 to be exact. Worth watching to the end…

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  14. blurkel says:

    The concluding argument offered by Vanessa Lloyd Platt in Spawny’s video link above raises an interesting counter-argument. Women expecting unlimited post-marital support -especially in the amounts demanded in the divorce case under discussion- have traded physical access to their bodies for cash. Without the benefit of clergy and a marriage license, most nations call this prostitution. But to even suggest this connection will raise the hackles of every woman on the planet, for they all claim that marriages are about love.


    I’ve been married a long time, and nothing ever got the excitement level raised in my wife like having unplanned money fall in my lap. This remains true even now. It’s the only thing that EVER gets her excited anymore. Where is the love in that?

    It’s in the love of Mammon, which women will utilize the Temptations of Eve to attain.

    Young men need to be told this by those who know this and can demonstrate visible examples to them. Increasingly, as I cite in the post, young men in Japan and Germany -and likely many other nations, but finding links isn’t easy with a topic most nations don’t want to encourage- have learned this and go their own way.

    Women will have to evolve an alternative. I found it interesting today that a side character in the Batman comics is now openly bisexual. ( ) Her protege, who is taking over her costumed persona, is openly gay. I’m all for this if it takes the pressure off of men to “man up and marry” as is so frrequenly demanded. Let them marry each other, their dog, or themselves if they must. It’s all the have earned.

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  15. Spawny Get says:

    That video I inserted above mentions an interesting idea regarding Doofus men on TV.

    Women like seeing women written as men (super capable, unflappable, decisive, giving, yugogrils) and women like to see men written as women (incapable, unwise, indecisive, childish)

    it’s a thought…any thunks about that?

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  16. Spawny Get says:

    “Let them marry each other”

    As Marie-Antoinette didn’t say, “Let them eat sushi”

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  17. Yoda says:

    Let them marry each other

    Lesbians divorce at very high rates they do.
    Deserve each other women do.

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  18. Yoda says:

    As Marie-Antoinette didn’t say, “Let them eat sushi”

    About carpet I thought it was.

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  19. Spawny Get says:

    If you’re insisting on talking about lesbian marriage be careful to stay away from touchy things like ‘Lesbian bed death*’ (sex-less relationships) and domestic violence rates being highest in lesbian relationships, hetero in the middle and lowest with gay males. There’s the horrendous possibility of someone drawing the inference that as the number of females in the relationship grows, so does the rate of violence…

    * Schwartz and Philip Blumstein concluded that lesbian couples in committed relationships have less sex than any other type of couple (heterosexual married, heterosexual co-habitating or gay male) and that they generally experience less sexual intimacy the longer the relationship lasts. This was based on analysis of responses to the question “About how often during the last year have you and your partner had sex relations?”. The results signified less sexual activity than their counterparts. Emphasizing “had sex” in their sample, only about one-third of lesbians in relationships of 2 years or longer had sex once a week or more; 47% of lesbians in long-term relationships had sex once a month or less, and among heterosexual married couples, only 15% had sex once a week or less. They also reported that lesbians seemed to be more limited in the range of their sexual techniques than did other couples, and that lesbian couples are less sexual as couples and as individuals than anyone else.[4][5]

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  20. Spawny Get says:

    “About carpet I thought it was.”

    Tomarto / tomayto

    My version’s funnier IMPO (In My Patriarchal Opinion)


  21. Yoda says:

    There’s the horrendous possibility of someone drawing the inference that as the number of females in the relationship grows, so does the rate of violence

    Collecting data on this banned it will soon be.

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  22. Cill says:

    The Sandman video is worth a look. The impossible woman-man character is what gives them the tingles. Apparently that’s the nature of the character Grey in the book too. The man who can put on this farcical act is the Alpha to the millions who bought the book. Any of us could do it if we practiced – and if we could be bothered.

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  23. Spawny Get says:

    6:50 for the lols, and 7:58, then you might be tempted to listen to it all.

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  24. blurkel says:

    The 50 Shades critique video is a powerful and well-considered examination of this “cultural phenomenon”. While I have not read the books or seen the flick, it rings true with some of my own issues as I outlined in my post about 50 Shades. But his having seen the flick, and maybe browsed the books, gives him more of an insight to what was intended, even if subconsciously.

    I recall lots of early female movie characters, and I never quite put my finger on what made many of them larger than life. The video critiquer nailed it with his observation that such women were written as men. This still goes on in Hollywood, and is a reflection of those who make the movies.

    It is thus with the complaint about how men are portrayed, especially but not exclusively Christian Grey. The books have a female author, the director was deliberately a female so as to not focus on the sex (or so I’ve read), and probably many other significant personnel in the process as well. From a marketing standpoint, this tends to make sense.

    Movies made for men nowadays are essentially video games. Superheroes, WWII, action flicks, combat, car racing, etc. Deep human characters aren’t needed. I suspect, though, that the numbers studios want to see of those into games aren’t showing up at these movies. This hardly makes them failures, just not the large successes desired. To Hollywood, too much IS never enough.

    For Hollywood types to continue to live their lavish lifestyles while looking down on the rabble which pays for their tired bilge, they need those big blockbusters to work. Hence the massive amount of hype pumped out since the announcement that the books were to be addapted for the screen. Every couple of days there would be yet another report beaten to death on the TV to ensure that it reached every possible woman and entice them into attending.

    And as we men have all experienced. little works better to drag women into the theaters than to make evil monsters or objects of ridicule out of men.

    Watching for the trailers for Magic Mike

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  25. Lon Spector says:

    There’s famous saying that goes: “It’s easy to speak of fasting with a full belly.”
    The “incel” simply can’t follow your advice. Do you really think that a person who’s
    “never been there, and never had THAT, could be an MGTOW? It’s easy for YOU
    to say after your 10,000th woman, in the same way that a rich person can say
    “Money isn’t everything.”
    BTW, don’t worry about the decline of marriage and depopulation. The Muslim religion
    is growing by leaps and bounds. Very often with the Europian female convert. They have
    no qualms at all about marring their master/husband, and giving him 15 children.


  26. Cill says:

    Liz has given her review of the 50 shades movie. We also need a destructive review by a resident MGHOW. I think Spawny should take one for the team and undertake this task. We should pass around the hat to buy a dozen crates of Fanta bottles for him to throw at the screen. And a pasty for him to chomp while he’s at it.

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  27. Cill says:

    (both kinds of pasty would be fine)

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  28. SFC Ton says:

    The U.S. Civil War? There was nothing civil about it

    An it was not a civil war. As in trying to replace one form of government with another.

    How can you believe a narrative when they are wrong right at the tittle page?


  29. Spawny Get says:

    “It’s easy for YOU to say after your 10,000th woman, in the same way that a rich person can say “Money isn’t everything.””

    I see what you’re saying. I can fundamentally agree with what you’re saying. Okay?

    If I felt like that (and had no religious issues with doing it) I’d head off to Thailand with a pocket full of money and get things into perspective. What I would NOT do is bring one back with me. I’ve been reliably informed that if you treat them as girlfriends rather than pros then they actually like it, you might well get the boy-girl friend experience…as long as you could forget that you have to keep dipping your hand in your pocket* but then that’s universally the case with women, let’s face it. (Unicorns are different)

    (* plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose)

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  30. Liz says:

    Swithy: “If I felt like that (and had no religious issues with doing it) I’d head off to Thailand with a pocket full of money and get things into perspective.”

    Or Manila.
    Try to film ’10 Hours of Walking in Manila as a Single, White, Male With Nice Clothes and a Good Attitude’

    I don’t think that one could ever be made (perhaps two hours max).
    But the sequels…

    “2 to 8 Hours Back in My Hotel Room” have been filmed extensively… following a great number of rehearsals.

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  31. Spawny Get says:

    Halfway Hooker by Popp


  32. Cill says:

    Lon, were you commenting on the post? As you’ll know, Blurkel has never claimed to have had screeds of women. Were you responding to me at 4:57 pm? I’m okay with your comment – except 10 grand is a bit of a stretch. XD

    I agree with Spawny’s suggestion.

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  33. Spawny Get says:

    In for a penny, in for a pound


  34. blurkel says:

    @ Spawny: re: Herbert Purdy on marriage: He doesn’t know that younger men care nothing about marriage, so this problem he raises doesn’t faze them in the slightest.

    @ Cill: I think that Lon’s 10k number was meant to be an exaggerated insult. He’s such a manly man, you know.

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  35. Liz says:

    Ashley Madison eh? Good lord, that is some crazy stuff.
    I don’t know if that can least, not for a couple that share a computer.
    Give it another five or so years and the social bots will give that one away. (knock on wood)
    Random popup:
    “Where have you been, Tiffany/Amber/Ashley? I’ve missed you at…”

    Heck, if my husband didn’t know about my manosphere habit, he’d wonder why I get the types of ads I do already….but I’ve noticed the bots have been evolving. The more advanced ones no longer want to sell anything. They just want to talk and share their lives with us.

    Soon we will be working for our robot overlords by listening to them talk about their feelings.

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  36. Cill says:

    Good one, brother B 😉
    Great post too, bro.

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    “He’s such a manly man, you know.”

    Lon’s a deeply frustrated man. I have some time for that. I’d prefer he was more oriented towards defusing those frustrations, but…*sigh*…we each have our own path to tread. My story is far from the worst even of those on this blog.

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  38. Cill says:

    Liz do you not get the popups when you do a search on MGTOW? Ashley Madison has popped up since the year dot.

    And heaps of them along the lines of:
    “Cougar who lives close to you wants to hook up”
    “55 Y.O. lady
    in your area wants to give you love”.

    Do I look like I’ve got an oedipus complex or something?

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  39. Spawny Get says:

    “He doesn’t know that younger men care nothing about marriage”
    That is of great comfort to me. I have yet to talk things over with my nephews. I hope they’re awake because they are natural nice men.

    I’m still interested in hearing from some of the younger set. But they don’t seem to comment on the blogs so much, they’re on the boards, I guess.

    Anyone out there got some insight? I left school in the mid eighties in the UK.

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  40. blurkel says:

    Bots are why I stopped using Windows over ten years ago, Liz!

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  41. Spawny Get says:

    adblock for the win. Need it for my kindle as ROK is pissing me off.

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  42. blurkel says:

    re: Lon

    I understand his frustrations, Spawny, for I work among of cohort of such people. I was merely offering Cill a differing interpretation of the 10,000 women comment.

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  43. Spawny Get says:

    Adblock for Chrome & Iron

    It’s on Pale Moon too.

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  44. Spawny Get says:

    I was showing a little solidarity for Lon, not so much attacking anyone else. Given what he’s said before about ASD, I wanted to make the extra effort to make my attitude crystal clear.

    We’re fine, brother(s).

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  45. Cill says:

    Yeah but I get the cougars in the search results as well. Do you not get them too?


  46. blurkel says:

    Soon we will be working for our robot overlords by listening to them talk about their feelings.

    I’m reminded of Marvin from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Universe.

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  47. Cill says:

    Maybe it’s just a NZ thing. I suspect there’s a higher percentage of cougars in NZ. Princesses of yesteryear.


  48. Liz says:

    “And heaps of them along the lines of:
    “Cougar who lives close to you wants to hook up”
    “55 Y.O. lady in your area wants to give you love”.

    Do I look like I’ve got an oedipus complex or something?”

    Yes! This happens to me too!
    I use my husband’s old e mail account so I think the bots are convinced I’m a man. But a men with a GILF fetish or something…

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  49. Spawny Get says:

    If there’s one thing less attractive than a 30y.o. aggressive PPP, it’s a 50y.o. agressive PPP.

    Choicy mentioned having to go hunting PPPs, how are they kept out of the standard touristy places? Orange peel? Or is it catnip in the dives?

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  50. Spawny Get says:

    Oh and if you’re off to Thailand take the rubbers with you.


  51. Liz says:

    “Adblock for Chrome & Iron”

    Thanks Swithy! I’ll give it a try…

    Liked by 2 people

  52. Spawny Get says:

    No probs, Liz. Iron is now my most used browser. Pale Moon is my most locked down.

    Liked by 1 person

  53. Cill says:

    I’m looking at some right now:
    “Sexy lady married to deathly dull husband wants some hard lovin'”
    “Married women looking for sex no strings attached”

    Perhaps I should take one for the team and check them out.
    Come to think of it, I have enough to write a post already.
    NZ is not the only place with weirdo women, that’s for sure.

    “How I Stumbled into the Strange and Bizarre” ?
    The sort of place you’d not see unless you arrived by boat. A big powerful boat attracts them like a magnet…

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  54. Yoda says:

    “Sexy lady married to deathly dull husband wants some hard lovin’”

    Who dullified him the question is.

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  55. Spawny Get says:

    “I have enough to write a post already.”

    Go ahead punk, make my day weekend.

    No need to go plumbing the depths in my name, I’d prefer that you didn’t.

    Liked by 1 person

  56. Cill says:

    Yeah Yoda, what sort of a person is she? Bloody Nora, who could copulate with that? Lots of men could, I guess. Sometimes I wonder if I’m a different species.

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  57. Spawny Get says:

    “Sometimes I wonder if I’m a different species.”

    if it helps, I often hope you are too


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  58. Cill says:

    “No need to go plumbing the depths in my name, I’d prefer that you didn’t.”
    Your face in the big powerful boat would sink it, mate. 😀
    I’m still laughing at your orange peel and catnip and now this. Too too much



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  59. Spawny Get says:

    “if it helps, I often hope you are too” I lolled, I did. I lolled.

    Liked by 1 person

  60. Cill says:

    “if it helps, I often hope you are too” I lolled, I did. Me too. I need a humor break now.

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  61. Spawny Get says:

    Adblock plus is free for Kindle.


  62. Yoda says:

    “Sometimes I wonder if I’m a different species.”

    Wonder this for myself I do not.

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  63. Cill says:

    It’s shaping up to be a typical busy Saturday here so no hope of a post from me this weekend. Maybe next weekend, although Sat/Sun are usually the most interrupted time of the week for me. Anyway, we can sort out the timing of it when it’s ready.


  64. Yoda says:

    Go ahead punk, make my day

    The Bear’s former mayor that said that he did.


  65. Tarnished says:

    “The only remaining issue for men is sex. One has to be very selective about this. Married men end up learning how to do without since that “steady supply” promised as a marital privilege rarely materializes.”

    A glimpse into the sex lives of married couples on Reddit:

    A more scientific questionaire. Scroll down about halfway for the relevant chart:

    And lastly, a very revealing and disconcerting post regarding how some women think of sex:

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  66. Yoda says:

    The bear hibernates much.


  67. Yoda says:

    Aren’t they shattered and strung out by working by day and comforting (or shouting at) wakeful children by night? Apparently not.

    Chose this they did.
    Scale back the career they might.
    Teach children self-discipline they could.
    The third world has these problems not.


  68. Yoda says:

    So when I read that married couples have sex, on average, three times every four months, I found myself nodding my head in agreement

    Disrespectful to husband she is.
    Cares not she does.
    F’ herself she should.

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  69. Spawny Get says:

    Frigid women like those should have the decency to leave men alone, just stick to cats.

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  70. Tarnished says:

    It’s when I read things like the aforementioned article that I truly wonder if it is true that women have a lesser sex drive. I was taught in both high school and college that this wasn’t so (yeah, of course not…), but if the internet + what my coupled friends say is any indication, it’s fact.

    Which is just a weird thing, when you think about it. Women have a far easier capacity to experience multiple orgasms, and with birth control there’s no need to be frightened of accidental pregnancy. In the confines of a marriage, there’s also very little threat of STDs (unless a spouse is an unknowing carrier) and it *should* be a relationship where you’re most comfortable opening up about your desires…hence eliminating the potential tension of “shame” for having a libido some women still endure. So what exactly is the issue?

    One thing that drives me nuts about the manosphere is the idea of Woman Gives Sex, Man Gives Resources. Half my brain realizes this is the reality for many (the majority?) of men, but the other half that contains my own experiences struggles against this. It’s like saying the female of a relationship has sex as a type of resource that she exchanges for material goods…which really bugs me, because sex isn’t a Thing. It’s an Action that you share with someone you care for, and not simply because they enjoy it but because…dammnit…you enjoy it just as much! Sex *is* give and take, but not only in the sense of Female ➡ Male. More like Female 🔁 Male.

    Pretty sure that some of our female/female commenters share this outlook, so it’s not a female/male difference. I’d also find it hard to believe all of them have higher levels of testosterone to affect their libidos to any great extent. Honestly, something just doesn’t add up…Am I missing the forest for the trees here?

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  71. Cill says:

    “Perhaps I should take one for the team and check them out”

    It might not have been clear from my comment that I was not being serious. Tongue in cheek, it was.

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  72. Yoda says:

    I truly wonder if it is true that women have a lesser sex drive

    When perceived top seed she will not recieve,
    sex drive does decline.

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  73. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn, did you ever take part in the old ring finger : index finger discussion?

    I know I was high T in the womb. I forget the ratio but the tip of my index finger is level with the very bottom of the nail bed of my ring finger. I have short fingers, so the ratio is high or low whichever way round it works. I’m my mother’s first kid, I won the battle of the bodies. I hear that with each successive pregnancy the mother gets better at fighting foetal testosterone…first child a male for the T win.

    Don’t recall if you said what your bingies were like.


  74. Spawny Get says:

    Good to know about the cheek, Cill.


  75. Yoda says:

    Woman Gives Sex, Man Gives Resources. Half my brain realizes this is the reality for many (the majority?) of men

    Half your brain half right it is.
    The “women get resources” part correct it is.
    From individual men she may.
    From men collectively she will.

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  76. Yoda says:

    Tongue in cheek, it was.

    Mind virus still has affect it does.


  77. Cill says:

    “Good to know about the cheek, Cill.”
    I couldn’t do it. With women like those I’d be physically incapable.


  78. Spawny Get says:

    I was talking about your idea of me seeing fifty shades o’ shite…


  79. Yoda says:

    because sex isn’t a Thing. It’s an Action that you share with someone you care for, and not simply because they enjoy it

    Modern women understand this not.
    Perhaps “pretend to not understand” it would be.
    Causes many problems it does.

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  80. Cill says:

    “I was talking about your idea of me seeing fifty shades o’ shite”

    I thought you meant my “Tongue in cheek.” I couldn’t do it anyway, as a matter of integrity.

    You seeing fifty shades o’ shite was kinda serious, actually. I reckon your write up would be a hilarious masterpiece of grim severity.

    Liked by 1 person

  81. Spawny Get says:

    Burn in Hell, blasphemer!

    And…goodnight 😉

    Liked by 1 person

  82. Tarnished says:

    “Perhaps “pretend to not understand” it would be.”
    Unfortunately, this is likely to be very close to the truth.

    “Don’t recall if you said what your bingies were like.”
    My hands are weird. My fingers are long and slender, but the wrong ratio for my body. I’m 5’7″…I have 2 coworkers who are barely 5’3″, and both of them have larger hands than I do. It’s like they stopped growing when I was 15 or something. As for finger sizes, both my index and ring finger come up slightly past the nailbed of my middle finger.

    I don’t recall what that means, if anything.


  83. Cill says:

    “the tip of my index finger is level with the very bottom of the nail bed of my ring finger.”
    Same with mine. What does it mean?


  84. Tarnished says:


    I think this movie review idea is smashing.

    Here, you’ll go see Fifty Shades and I’ll go see Kingsmen:

    We’ll report back afterwards. Sounds fair, right? 😈

    Liked by 1 person

  85. Cill says:

    Great idea Tarn!

    Re the fingers:
    I remember doing the test way back in the day, on Tarn’s site I think it was. Something to do with finger lengths. Now didn’t some bloke measure the fingers of activist feminists at a convention? The test indicated they are more masculine and combative than feminine women. That was definitely on Tarn’s site. Before the days of Spawny Space, I think.

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  86. Spawny Get says:

    Ratio of lengths of the two fingers is supposed to be related to exposure to sex hormones in the womb. You need to Google it. But basically index > ring implies high testosterone in womb. The opposite; ring > index is low T, feminine. If they’re much of a muchness, then I guess you didn’t get a high or low dose of T. Probably a spectrum of T and O exposure.

    Iirc also check the jawline of women and arm hair. Strong jaw and hairy are also high T related, though can’t remember if that’s in womb, or post partum.


  87. Tarnished says:

    Yeah, there was something about the test left on my blog…maybe even by Spawny himself. I remember that a ring finger larger than your index meant the possibility of more prenatal testosterone…but can’t recall what it meant if they’re both stupidly long.


  88. Spawny Get says:

    And you Tarn…and you.


  89. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    There are a lot of women out there on the same page as the author of that post for the Telegraph. They are abusing their relationships with full social approval. What feminism has sought to do has been accomplished. Women OWN sex.
    How this came to be is beyond me. I think my mother subscribed to this attitude. That’s how long this has been going on. That something that requires enthusiastic participation from both parties by mutual consent has reverted to being owned by one of the parties and fully controlled by that party is a conmfidence trick of the highest order.
    In my bitterness, I had thought that women got a taste for the power of denying men sex while single, why not continue while married? Who’s to know or care? He dare not complain.

    I don’t know if I have mentioned it but, I think one of the chief reesons for the popularity of grass eating in Japan is the perception that marriage there is sexless.
    Their replacement rate is 1.6. They stand to lose one third of their population every fifty years.

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  90. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn, it’s the ratio. My fingers being short means that the length difference gives a larger change in ratio. That’s the only reason I mentioned absolute length

    Liked by 1 person

  91. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I forgot to mention that I have no idea how to screen for this attitude to sex while dating.

    Liked by 1 person

  92. Spawny Get says:

    “The finger book” by John Manning. No idea if it got panned later. I have a copy, but by the time it arrived the discussion had moved on and I never got round to reading it.


  93. Spawny Get says:

    Thankfully the sex thing wasn’t an issue I faced until the marriage was doomed, at which point I wasn’t much fussed about shagging her. Not the least of reasons being concerns of her getting deliberately preggo and therefore gaining the house and two decades of cash, or me as a wage slave to a nutty bint, mother of my children doomed to being nutty in turn. Sex was not a concern. She moved to another bedroom, not me.

    Good night

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  94. Tarnished says:


    “Women OWN sex.”
    My love believes this due to past experiences. It’s been ridiculously difficult, not to mention frustrating, to convince him that for our purposes it’s wrong. He’s gotten better as of late but I still feel as though I’m forcing myself on him at times. The women who taught him this are *insert numerous appropriate derogatory terms*.

    “I forgot to mention that I have no idea how to screen for this attitude to sex while dating.”
    That is because you can’t.

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  95. Tarnished says:

    Sleep sweet, Spawny.


  96. Cill says:

    The average ratio for men is 0.98
    Mine is 0.94
    The average woman’s will be greater than 1

    Liked by 2 people

  97. Yoda says:

    Mine is 0.94

    Patriarch you are.

    Liked by 2 people

  98. Tarnished says:

    We have the same ratio, Cill! 🙂

    Liked by 2 people

  99. Yoda says:

    one of the chief reesons for the popularity of grass eating in Japan is the perception that marriage there is sexless.

    Plausible this would be.
    Very plausible.

    Liked by 1 person

  100. Tarnished says:


    Oh my Gods…so I oppress myself?!😂

    Liked by 1 person

  101. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    If you’re reading this, I hope that you slept well.

    You’re doing good work with your sweetie. His head has been messed with.


  102. Cill says:

    “We have the same ratio, Cill!”

    Let us go forth, and oppress!
    Let us be responsible for all that is wrong in the world!

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  103. Cill says:

    Tarn is both oppressor and oppressed… by Tarn!
    Which Tarn, though. I better stop thinking about this before my head spins off my shoulders. I’ll leave it at the contemporary female is more oppressive than the male.
    I hope the male doesn’t take it lying down, Tarn! (pun intended)

    Liked by 1 person

  104. Tarnished says:


    So have a lot of other guys. How many times can one be turned down after initiating/asking for sex before you just stop altogether? How many months have to go by without touch or intimacy before an affair starts looking like your only option other than constant frustration and longing? Grown men are starting to have body issues (not believing themselves sexy or desirable) just like women used to… Everything is completely screwed up.

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  105. Tarnished says:

    I’m not usually the one lying down.

    Liked by 2 people

  106. Tarnished says:

    If I went around calling myself Emperor just because some moistened bint threw a scimitar at me…

    Lol! Classic.

    Liked by 1 person

  107. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    “How many times before you give up altogether?”
    The answer is different with each guy but, with all of us, patience is finite. Given “chice addiction”, there have to be a lot of men out there who have tossed in the towel.
    The problem is that these guys were looking for relationships.

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  108. Cill says:

    Monty Python seldom disappoints

    Liked by 1 person

  109. Yoda says:

    “How many times before you give up altogether?”

    Women should ask themselves this they should.
    Looking at the world through a man’s perspective revealing it might be.
    But probably not.

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  110. Cill says:

    “How many times before you give up altogether?” Did Tarn ask that question? (I’m buzzing around like a one-winged fly here)

    Fuzzy, there has to be a point where we draw the line, where we ask “Are these people worth it? Are they worth my hope? Or do I owe it to myself to break out of the contract that feminism has wrecked and seek something more conducive of positive results?”

    We have all asked ourselves this question a million times, as I’m sure you have too, Fuzzy.

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  111. Tarnished says:

    Tis why I cannot fault men who have affairs for this reason…

    Liked by 1 person

  112. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    What I think will act as the proverbial brick wall is the obvious fact that hhere only as many men as there are women. In the current SMP, women are burning through the good will of men at a prodigious rate.

    I have and put myself on the shelf. That was before there was this little corner of th internet.

    Liked by 1 person

  113. Farm Boy says:

    In the current SMP, women are burning through the good will of men at a prodigious rate.

    But they will never be able to admit where the problems lie.

    Liked by 1 person

  114. Farm Boy says:

    Tis why I cannot fault men who have affairs for this reason…

    Precisely what reason?


  115. Farm Boy says:

    Oh my Gods…so I oppress myself?

    Well, yes you do. By feminist standards if you are not going in the direction that they are driving, and you are doing it to yourself, then you are oppressing yourself.

    Liked by 1 person

  116. Tarnished says:

    The reason of Lack of Sex/Physical Intimacy. If a guy sleeps around out of selfishness (meaning he has a good wife at home already) then I can’t approve of cheating whatsoever. But if he’s honestly given it his all to make her understand that physical love is a must for a strong relationship yet is still denied month after month…That is something I can’t condemn, so long as he practices safe sex.


  117. blurkel says:

    Let us go forth, and oppress!
    Let us be responsible for all that is wrong in the world!

    Oh, great! Now I have to have my Tarn-Cills out?


  118. Tarnished says:

    You know you want to, Blurkel. Don’t deny it. 😉

    Liked by 1 person

  119. Cill says:

    My tonsils are intact Blurkel bro. When I was a child it got to the stage where all my friends had had their tonsils out and I, with mine healthily intact, was left on the shelf. I have never overcome the victimization of it.

    Liked by 1 person

  120. blurkel says:

    It’s what made you strong, Bro Cill!


  121. Cill says:

    Thanks brother B. I’m so down about my intact tonsils I needed a bucking up.


  122. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bill Cosby has a routine about having his tonsils out. He was so looking forward to having all the ice cream he could eat. When it was offered, he didn’t want any.
    Big sad face.


  123. molly says:

    Fuzzie, I’m so happy you’re here. Whew!


  124. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s good to see you! You were worried for me?


  125. molly says:

    Yes I do worry. All you need to do is say ur okay, and I will relax.


  126. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I’m Ok, you can relax. I am sorry to worry you.


  127. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I just realized that you, like your big cuz Cill, have lost two uncles to this mess of a culture thet promotes wickedness. While he has told us about J and G, I get the feeling that the other Uncle’s story may be worse.
    I understand why you worry.
    Big hug to you from a bear, wishing you had arms to hug back with.


  128. Cill says:

    No no Fuzzie I want you to be happy 🙂


  129. Cill says:

    That’s all she’s saying mate. Is it that difficult?


  130. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night all!

    Liked by 1 person

  131. Spawny Get says:

    “We have the same ratio, Cill!”

    My recollection of the conversation was that Cill’s ratio was more average than this new number. Which didn’t really ring as accurate at the time, I mean look at that manly fizzog! Rough as old boots. This new number sounds much more plausible (and similar to mine iirc, though my ratio might be slightly more extreme).

    Tarn, if your ring finger is longer than your index finger at that ratio then the theory says you got bathed in testosterone in the womb…this really supports your male brain claim (I already had no doubts just from conversations we’ve had, I’m just saying).

    I’m not invested in the theory, I just am interested if the theory rings true in my real life experiences.

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  132. Spawny Get says:

    The average ratio for men is 0.98
    Mine is 0.94
    The average woman’s will be greater than 1

    That’s the book that I have (the one pictured on that page). Second hand (hah) from Amazon, ex-library but in good nick. Cheap. At the moment I’m dipping into the Key-logger book, maybe the hand book will follow.

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  133. Alana says:

    Spawny “I’m not invested in the theory, I just am interested if the theory rings true in my real life experiences.”

    It did in my very limited experience, but I’d need to ask more pple to be more sure. I remember reading a similar article years ago and checked the fingers of 2 or 3 of the guys I knew–not measuring, but just comparing which was longer. My index finger was always the longer finger, and I just measured my ratio–1.03. My mum’s index finger was longer too. The 2 or 3 guys I measured had longer ring fingers.

    But I didn’t take note of the exact ratios. I just found that the guys I looked at had longer ring fingers, with the opposite for me and my mum.


  134. Alana says:

    Ooh Spawny, u’ve got a very manly ratio haha


  135. Spawny Get says:

    “Ooh Spawny, u’ve got a very manly ratio haha”

    You better believe it, baby. And movie star good looks, you forgot that

    Liked by 1 person

  136. Alana says:

    Heheh, “movie star good looks” goes without saying. 😉 I didn’t forget 🙂

    Liked by 1 person

  137. Cill says:

    Sorry I snapped at you Fuzzy. Damn.


  138. Spawny Get says:

    You snapped? Add a smiley in there and it’s all fine. Maybe just a few exclamation marks or question marks.

    Basically, when it comes to ‘snapping’ ‘D- – could do much better’


  139. Yoda says:

    And movie star good looks, you forgot that

    A movie star I am.
    Good looks I do have.

    Which star most resemble you do?


  140. Spawny Get says:

    In many ways this is a suitable picture at this juncture
    Movie Star and a bloke in a staw hat

    Liked by 2 people

  141. Yoda says:

    Grown up “Babe” you are?
    Winston Churchill lookalike perhaps?


  142. Yoda says:

    A white dwarf Tarn would be?

    Liked by 1 person

  143. Cill says:

    I know a lady who looks like Nina Dobrev, except a hell of a better body. I spend too much time thinking about that body. I stare at Spawny’s pig instead.

    Liked by 1 person

  144. Yoda says:

    Probably nobody here like Jar Jar he looks.
    Good this would be.


  145. Spawny Get says:

    Sod you lot and your jealousy…look at that smouldering spell of a visage…and the bloke with a hat. That look is pure Alpha.

    Liked by 1 person

  146. Spawny Get says:

    The best bit is at the end, 2:10+

    ‘Rabbit’ –rhyming slang–> ‘Rabbit and Pork’ –> ‘Talk’

    Liked by 1 person

  147. Cill says:

    “Cill’s ratio was more average than this new number”.

    I’ve just discovered they were both wrong! When my hand is held out flat it’s difficult to see where the fingers begin at the hand end, and I kept getting different measurements.

    In the end I got it right by bending each finger down at the knuckle and measuring from the knuckle. Then I measured them with the ruler between the fingers. The measurements were different (they are longer from the knuckle) but the ratio was the same, at 0.924

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  148. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    The man with the pig reminds me of John Candy. He never got to be that old. There is a story about him. He was te star of some movie and got a trailer all to himself during production. He gave it up to Maureen O’Hara.
    Class act.

    I’ll raise you.

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  149. Spawny Get says:

    The guy’s a legit movie star, Fuzzie. He’s worked with the grates…including that Gel Mibson blerk,


  150. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    What is it with the Telegraph? Yesterday, Tarn linked to a post written by a woman proud to be an ice princess. With your link, the woman poster has no idea of the consequences of going from assortive mating to a tournament social model. There are going to be beta males driven out of the herd.

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  151. Spawny Get says:

    The Telegraph (used to be a contender) is rapidly becoming a lefty, feminist friendly rag.

    Liked by 2 people

  152. Yoda says:

    The answer, Real says, is to understand and then reject that old, outdated part of the masculine code, which gave a sense of entitlement, a sense that men can “go home, rip open our belts, pop open a beer, belch and be loved. We just don’t get away with that anymore.”

    An entitlement this was?
    Earned it was not?
    F’ himself he should.

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  153. Yoda says:

    Terry Real, a psychologist and the author of How Can I Get Through to You? Reconnecting Men and Women, thinks the time has come for men to readjust their sights. Our culture’s masculine code, he says, dictates that “men don’t need relationships, men don’t need to be connected, men don’t need to be heartfelt”.

    More like feminine code for men this is.
    Want men to be good drones they do.

    Men always have wanted relationships, connectedness, and heartfelt endeavours (with women and/or their friends)

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  154. Cill says:

    “Why do so many middle-aged men feel so lost?”
    Feminism. That’s the reason.
    The female writer fails to mention that. There is not an ounce of sense in her article. Silly cow.

    Liked by 2 people

  155. Spawny Get says:

    Women just pop pills rather than face problems

    Liked by 3 people

  156. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    She is not a silly cow. She is willfully blind to what men are dealing with.
    There is a reason that the US Army walked all the neiboring communities through the concentration camps after WWII.

    Liked by 3 people

  157. Spawny Get says:

    A lot of her type get joy out of dragging any men they can down to their level of misery. It’s a deep seated jealousy coupled with an inability to accept their inferiority due to a lack of the moral strength required to accept reality however distasteful. That moral strength is a male thing…the Gom Jabbar if you will. Only the Kwisatz Haderach could look within. Or something like that.

    It’s the same as the doofus guys on tv…men written as women. Then you see the women written as men which is their inferiority complex being assuaged by pretending that they themselves are as good as men. The old name for this was…penis envy.

    A Unicorn accepts the challenge on male terms. Good women look to complement the male…a yin/yang thing?

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  158. Spawny Get says:

    The only way to stop these bitches belittling men is to make the experience unpleasant for them. Every time they backstab men, they need to get a painful for them response. These women aren’t just misguided, they are the enemy. They mean to drag men down. Be nice to me and I’ll be nice back, but if you’re going to get cunty, hell I can play at that too. Men only get tooled by women when they play by women’s rules, play by male rules instead. Call them out on their cuntitude, point out the female response to the same stimulus…I guarantee the smirk will be wiped off their faces.


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  159. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Call them on it, then.
    Good night, sleep well.


  160. Tarnished says:

    So. Just found out that thrice damned ultra-moronic group the Westboro Baptist Church, plans to picket Leonard Nimoy’s funeral. Ha! Good luck with that, you sons of syphilis infested hyena carcasses…if the KKK was willing to defend a black gay soldier’s funeral from your presence, you have absolutely no chance getting around the sheer amount of Trekkies who will gladly encircle Mr. Nimoy’s coffin.

    Dear Gods, but I loathe people like this. They do have First Amendment rights here…but can’t say I disagree with the fact they are preemptively banned from entering the UK.

    /rant over

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  161. Farm Boy says:

    The Westboro bunch is a horrible lot

    I am not a baptist, but if I were, I would be trying to dissociate myself from them


  162. Farm Boy says:

    Which one in the picture are you, Tarn?


  163. blurkel says:

    What did syphilitic hyena carcasses ever do to deserve being compared to the vileness which is the Westboro Baptist “Church”?

    Liked by 2 people

  164. Tarnished says:


    You’re right. I humbly apologize to all the dead feliforms with STDs out there.

    Liked by 4 people

  165. Tarnished says:

    Picture, FB?


  166. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    They may not be welcome on solely religious grounds. I think Leaonard Nimoy is Jewish.
    Here is one of my favorites.

    Liked by 1 person

  167. Farm Boy says:


    The picture at the top.

    Yes, he definitely was Jewish. The “split finger thing” was Jewish.

    I always liked Scotty. He made the ship go. That was awesome in my book. And he grew up (some of the time) in the Detroit area.

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  168. Farm Boy says:

    From PMAFT,

    “On the contrary, I was stating a moral judgment: namely, that people we call nerds make a massive contribution to the progress of the human race; that their ability to do so is directly related to the classic nerd personality traits that some people despise (literal-mindedness, valuing truth over social niceties, obsession with mastering a craft, etc.); that what’s right about the stereotypical nerd personality easily outweighs what’s wrong about it; and that it’s not merely nerds who ought to adapt themselves to the world, but the world that ought to adapt itself to nerds.”

    While Aaronson is correct, I can already see how feminists will twist this into accusations of misogyny, that Aaronson wants to sexually harass and rape women, and that he’s the next Elliot Rodger.

    Nerdly types really do operate this way. And God bless them.

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  169. Tarnished says:

    Hmmm. If he’s not already taken, I’ll be the guy with the classy polka dots. 😆

    The geek shall inherit the earth…

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  170. Tarnished says:

    Relevant to this particular conversation:

    Now that I think about it, relevant to the majority of our other conversations:

    And just because it’s what we need to do every now and then:


  171. Tarnished says:

    I don’t think Gollum is Jewish though…


  172. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Thanks for putting a good word with your post from 2013. Those gals do get a little narrow in their focus but, M3 was correct. Desire can’t be negotiated.


  173. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s 4pm your time. All is well with the bear.


  174. molly says:

    Thank you Fuzzy! 🙂
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯


  175. SFC Ton says:

    What are Trekkies likely to do?

    If you read up enough on the westboro folks you’ll find its ran by lawyers who do outrageous shit then file (and win) lawsuites. It’s a money making scam.

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  176. Spawny Get says:

    Got to say that that new banner (from the TV series Blandings. Based on the works of P G Wodehouse (think ‘Jeeves and Wooster’)) is growing on me. As this is a Male site, I might get round to gimping the pig into the image. The face is perfect.


  177. Liz says:

    The Westboro Baptist Church is basically comprised of one family (very extended, and a family of lawyers as Ton mentioned). At least they’re picking on a famous person who lived a long, good life this time…usually they picket the funerals of young soldiers who died in combat. Really nice stuff like, “Your son/father/brother is dead because God hates fags” and so forth. They are some serious human garbage.


  178. Liz says:

    I like the new banner, Swithy! 🙂
    (never saw that show)

    Liked by 1 person

  179. Liz says:

    Tarn: “Dear Gods, but I loathe people like this. They do have First Amendment rights here…but can’t say I disagree with the fact they are preemptively banned from entering the UK.”

    I have to disagree about the first amendment “rights” thing, Tarn (though it has been taken to court many times and the court has agreed with you, so far…the fact that they are lawyers must have something to do with it, finding loopholes here and there).

    I’ve never understood how the Westboro Church has been able to successfully claim that a funeral isn’t a ‘captive audience’, when a student can’t mention ‘God’ at a graduation speech due to the potential for infringement on rights of the ‘captive audience’.

    Why would a graduation ceremony (never went to any of my own, didn’t care enough) holds the audience more ‘captive’ than a funeral for fallen loved ones? At any rate, I’m surprised no one has attacked these people, physically. I mean, really, really attacked them.

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  180. Spawny Get says:

    JUST changed it again…what do you think?

    Liked by 2 people

  181. Liz says:

    It’s awesome Swithy! 🙂


  182. Tarnished says:

    I don’t agree with it either. I was just saying that they do, so far.


  183. Spawny Get says:

    Tidied up a bit

    Liked by 1 person

  184. Tarnished says:

    In other words, it’s not the court decisions agreeing with my standpoint…it’s my standpoint acknowledging the current law of the land. There’s always hope they’ll do something so incredibly hateful that even our court system will deem them unworthy of the protections of the First Amendment. However, they’d probably have to beat up or kill a gay man or set a bomb at a funeral for it to finally get through the Powers That Be heads, and I don’t want that to happen…

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  185. SFC Ton says:

    Pretty funny how those westborro pussies keep their mouths shut when 30 bikers in face masks show up to funerals. Or don’t fight back when you take away their signs etc. Or how the log dawgs never seem to witness when bikers stalk up and push them around, take their sign etc.


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