The Intruder:

In the small hours of the morning Dog wakens me with a growl. I immediately get up. Dog never growls without good reason. I keep him close to me as he leads me to the cliff. We stare down into the darkness. The sea is calm. The sea can never be as still as a lake can be. There’s always a faint swishing of water on the sand. I hear a sound that doesn’t belong. Something is moving steadily and stealthily down there.

I take Dog back to the house. He knows I’m going to lock him up and he hates it. His instinct tells him to protect me. He had a hard early life from organized dog fighting, as a result of which he could be dangerous with people.  I don’t want him to get hurt either. So I shut him indoors and ask him to be quiet.

I load a shotgun.  The down side of living in a secluded paradise is the remoteness from civilization, the police, and people.  Not too long ago I had a showdown with a criminal gang who wanted to make my paradise their bitch. An experienced sailor, a big powerful boat, and a remote location far from the law would be tempting assets for a criminal gang, especially if they take over by a squat-and-don’t-pay method.

I creep back to the cliff, then along the top keeping out of sight from the sea. Without going into the detail, I make my way to the bottom at the end of the bay where I keep my boats. I’m invisible from the sea here. I make for a viewing position and look out.

The beach is empty. I hear the stealthy movements again, much closer now. Then I find myself gawking at what I see.

A woman in silhouette is emerging from the sea. As she walks closer into shallower water I see more and more of her. She’s naked under the moon and the stars. I mentally try to shake some sense into my head, not because there was an intruder but because of the nature of the vision. If I was a painter who paints with his eyes, I was looking at my own personal picture of ultimate sexiness. From average-width shoulders into her small waist and out with the flare of her hips, and the thighs decreasing in fullness all the way down – a long way down – to her slender knees…

And the way she moves is like the most alluring sirens in 5000 years have given her personal instruction. She turns and I see the glorious swell of her breasts. She’s so hot my jaw aches.

She’s calm and confident in her movements. She’s a peaceful part of the night. There’s no threat here. It’s like there’s a sign saying “Do Not Disturb”.

I go back to the house. As soon as I open the door Dog runs to the edge of the cliff and stands stiff, one front paw slightly raised. Finally he appears to satisfy his mind as to something, and returns calmly. Ten minutes later I hear a small motor quietly moving a boat out to sea barely above idling revolutions.

 The Meeting:

M and I had a serious talk, as mentioned in my earlier post (

Afterwards the mood was lighter during this exchange:

Me: “You’ll be happy to know we have a new attraction here.”

M smiles. “From the sea?”

Me: “Yes. Something that came up during your absence.”

She waits expectantly. I can see her wondering what sort of whale or other sea life I could be talking about.

Me: “Are you going to guess what it was?”

She then asks these questions one after the other: “A new Orca pod?”, “A Great White?”, “A Seahorse?”, and after each question I answer “No. More exotic than that”, until I can see she has given up.

“A mermaid”, I say, and she realizes what I’m getting at, and blushes.

I knew it was M all along of course. It’s not often you see a woman look so much better naked than in a bikini. In fact never, in my experience. That’s what threw me the night I saw her emerge from the sea.

Should I Marry Her?

My options Are:

  1. Marriage
  2. Non-marriage co-habitation
  3. Friend With Benefits
  4. Just sex
  5. Platonic friends
  6. No contact at all
  7. Shift to a non-feminist country and marry

I almost didn’t post on this subject.  It was quite a few weeks before I warmed up to the idea. I didn’t expect to receive so much valuable input on my first post about “M” and me:

It really has helped. My discussions with friends in person has not done as much. It’s difficult to go one place IRL where there will be such a diversity of opinion. The other advantage of blog comments is, they are just naked words. No bodies or sounds or scents to distract me.  I’m a naked word man.

My Feelings For Her

So far I’ve dwelt on M’s feelings for me.  Now I’ll try to deal with my feelings for her.

The physical attraction:

There was never any doubt as to the effect we had on each other. Her face would flush slightly, her voice would become softer without losing volume.  She’d laugh real easily, and her eyes would sparkle and flash and she’d move her head more, exposing parts of her neck and throat. The whole effect was Tingles, pure and simple. There’s no mistaking it when you see it.

As for her effect on me, well, with her it was more visual than sex appeal usually is with me. She has the body from… well I’ve already described it haven’t I.

The emotional attraction:

I’m led by the head. The heart is very much there, but the head is its minder.

  1. Somewhere in Tarn’s blog I mentioned the importance to me of woman’s character, the impact it has on me. M ticks all the character boxes. I’d love her to bits if I allowed myself to.
  2. Nature gave me a powerful need to produce children. That’s my default status. Feminism, the biggest anti-nature force the world has ever known, has placed unnatural risks in my way. I’d rather be dead than allow the State forcibly to remove me from my own children. If push came to shove, I would not go gentle into that good night. There’s a lot at stake with me + woman = children.
  3. She has made her position clear: Marriage is her goal. Anything else such as FWB would be a stage toward that goal. Feminism has made it impossible for me to marry. Heart breaking events in my life have proven it to me. M’s end goal is incompatible with my position.

1 + 2 + 3 = option #6: No contact at all

This is my position on the face of it.

My Quandary:

M is a woman who, from where I’m looking, is that nearly non-existent thing, the Unicorn. To lose her would be to lose something of great value and possibly the best thing to happen in my life. Basically I love her already but have not flicked the switch. Another way of putting it is that if we went our separate ways I would not be heart-broken.

The reason I don’t want to marry is that in a feminist country a man in marriage is a slave. At best I would live as an honorary free man at the sufferance of a woman who could put me back in chains any time.

Marriage Statistics:

Data on marriage does not fill me with optimism:

Statistic Verification
Source: CDC, National Survey of Family Growth
Research Date: 1.1.2014

Marriage rate  6.8 per 1,000
Divorce rate   3.4 per 1,000

Percent Currently Married by Race and Sex:
White Men      44 %
White Women    51 %
Black Men      32 %
Black Women    26 %
Hispanic Men   43 %
Hispanic Women 45 %

Probability of first marriage surviving 10 years: 0.66% (1 in 15)

What am I doing here:

I’m interested in talking it through with the good folks of Spawny Space. If you ask me questions here, I’ll discuss them with her (as long as they are pleasant of course). She is very anxious to talk to me and has made herself available to meet me or speak to me by phone any time.

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  1. Cill says:

    Unfinished business: I have yet to respond to some comments on my earlier post:

    Liz: ( ““How much of an option is moving to a country where marriage isn’t a death trap? She’s said she’s up for that, but I don’t know how realistic that option is for you.”

    That’s a very good idea…but they would probably have to stay in that country if cohabitation applies as marriage in NZ. And it sounds like he has a pretty good setup in NZ.”

    Liz, you’re right, I’d be loath to leave my paradise. However I’m leaving this option open. There could be circumstances in which I’d be prepared to marry M in a non-feminist country and live there. I won’t know exactly what those circumstances are until they arise. I can think of a few, but too much conjecture to mention yet.


  2. Cill says:

    “But how do YOU feel about her, Cill? I am sensing not the same? I suspect if you did, you would not have these hesitations. Or maybe you want to marry her but your hesitation comes from the current risks of the mmp?”

    I hope this post answers you to a certain extent, at least.

    Fuzzy said “Cill,
    From what you keep telling us about M, as a candidate for marriage, I don’t think it gets any better.”
    I agree, Fuzzy Bear.

    Cautiously Pessimistic said
    “It’s obvious that you’re attracted to her. The question is how much risk and upheaval are you willing to take on in order to be with her. That’s a head decision. Make it with the right one.”
    I certainly won’t be rushing anything, CP.

    Bloom and Tarn both raised the question of why not two households, and get together for fun.
    For M that is a definite Yes, but as a temporary trial for permanent marriage.


  3. theasdgamer says:

    If you are willing to practice Dread during your marriage and you can manage her emotional state, marriage can work even in a feminist country. It’s just risky. Is your Unicorn worth the risk?


  4. Cill says:

    If only I had a crystal ball, one that would work, but there’s no such thing. Yep, marriage is risk, no matter who the woman is. There’s no other way of looking at it.


  5. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Sounds like you don’t need to hear this, but I’ll say it anyway. Finding a unicorn and having oneitis feels remarkably similar. I’m preaching to the choir,I know, but right now your feelings are your worst enemy in this situation. Once you’ve decided, embrace them. But for now, they (your feelings) care nothing for your future and should be locked up with the dog until it’s safe.


  6. theasdgamer says:


    You can mitigate the risk. Make Dread your strategy to help do so. (This will require you putting yourself out in the SMP on occasion and developing a habit of flirting with women.) Diversify/protect your assets. Select a right-hand man to protect your back and give him power of attorney to do background checks on M, protect your assets, etc.


  7. theasdgamer says:

    Is M concerned mostly about her family wanting her to get married? Why does she care about marriage/living together? Companionship? Financial benefits?


  8. Cill says:


    lol Dread has happened already. In my first “M” (“The Other Woman”) post I mentioned other women have kept in contact with me. Somehow some of them sniffed out what’s happening and 3 of them contacted me yesterday.


  9. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Boiling this down to the essence, it seems as if you have to choose between two life paths. To marry M would be the ideal of finding the unicorn. To continue the path as a bachelor would be the ideal MGTOW lifestyle.
    While I can’t live your life or take the consequences, I’d take M in because I’m lonely. The other thing is that I have not been witness to the downside of marriage as you have.


  10. Cill says:


    Of the things you mentioned, companionship I think. Not financial- she could buy me out several times over.


  11. Cill says:

    Fuzzy: “While I can’t live your life or take the consequences”
    It’s good to hear your thoughts, just the same. Yes I could continue with MGHOW without losing much sleep.


  12. theasdgamer says:


    Your financial risk from marriage seems miniscule. The risk of loss of access to kids seems the greatest risk should divorce happen.

    Bear in mind that the 7-year point is where most problems occur; you should have a plan to deal with that.

    Sounds like you all will be UMC or UC, which tend to have much lower divorce rates than other classes.

    My estimate is that the probability of divorce is low for you and M.

    1. You are Red Pill.
    2. You all will be UMC or UC.
    3. You will run Dread.
    4. M seems to be a unicorn.

    Two questions remain:

    1. Do you have anyone you can designate as a right-hand man?
    2. Are you willing to avoid falling in love (the oxytocin addiction)?


  13. Cill says:

    right-hand man: I’m spoiled for choice, actually.

    “Are you willing to avoid falling in love”
    I’m a mind over emotions person by nature, and I avoid making myself vulnerable. It’s a survival tool, to reduce the risk. If I went into marriage I’d sure as hell do everything in my power to protect myself. So I’ll answer Yes to that one.


  14. Cill says:

    I just searched “oxytocin addiction” on the net and my answer is an emphatic Yes, I will avoid that addiction.


  15. Spawny Get says:

    What time is it? Oh my! It’s Spam o’clock


  16. Spawny Get says:

    And one I bet you haven’t heard before, most of you kids won’t recognise the faces and the crimes…sung by Sting


  17. Spawny Get says:

    And finally apropos to the post


  18. Cill says:
    Probability that a first marriage will survive 10 years 0.66 % – 1 in 15


  19. Yoda says:

    Hypergamy evidence in here it is.
    Spot it one can?


  20. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    I just searched “oxytocin addiction” on the net and my answer is an emphatic Yes, I will avoid that addiction.

    Good thing. Pain in the @$$. You can get it from dancing a lot with a woman (I’m dealing with this now), from making out a lot with a woman (took me the first 10 years of my marriage to get over around 250 hours of making out with my college gf), and from frequent sex with a woman (took me about 3 months to get over 5 days of rabbit sex with my college fling).

    I thought of more questions:

    1) Are you willing to give up a lot of independence?
    2) Are you willing to be a dad?
    3) Are you willing to put up with a lot of feminine BS?
    4) What will you gain? Is it worth the cost?


  21. Cill says:

    “But for now, they (your feelings) care nothing for your future and should be locked up with the dog until it’s safe.”
    Good advice. I lead with my head, not my heart, so I should be okay.


  22. Cill says:

    1. No
    2. Only if the marriage my child is born into is thoroughly established and stable. (Note: this is as good as another “No”)
    3. No
    4. Without the risk, marriage to her would probably be fantastic, but because of the risk (cost) I’m not prepared to marry. She wouldn’t be after my assets. She’s rolling in money.
    Feminism has made marriage an unacceptable risk for men. Even with the right woman, the husband remains at her sufferance. It’s an intolerable inequality.


  23. Cill says:

    Yoda “Hypergamy evidence in here it is.
    Spot it one can?”

    Marriage rate 6.8 per 1,000
    Divorce rate 3.4 per 1,000
    Probability that a first marriage will survive 10 years 0.66 % – 1 in 15

    Looks like a lot of trading up is going on.


  24. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    At another post I saw today, there was a warning for introverted men. Solitude is tempting while being with others does have a social risk.
    Food for thought.


  25. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, could you give me the address to that post?


  26. molly says:

    Here’s what I know.

    M is one of my best friends. She’s a keeper, and she’s loyal and loving. She’s more than crazy about him. Yeah she got the Tingles. She’s also deeply in love. Cill and M are made for each other.

    I see his side too tho. How can he be sure? Maybe if they could try LTR, *with no strings attached* ?


  27. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I have to admit that I didn’t read all of it.

    I am as enthusiastic as you. There’s only one problem, we don’t have to bear the consequences of such an improtant decision.


  28. molly says:

    But what do you think, they could try LTR, *with no strings attached* ?
    If they both understand *no strings attached*, no hard feelings if Cill (or M) pulls out of trial LTR?
    Good idea?


  29. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    “No strings attached” tends not to work in practice. It’d be far better drama-wise for Cill to avoid her if he’s not reasonably sure how she’s going to fit into his life.

    Plus, my understanding is there’s not really a legal framework for “no strings attached” in NZ. If the woman decides there are strings after all, that’s pretty much it for the guy.

    Of course, all I’m going off of is y’all’s posts for that. About the only thing I know about NZ outside of your description is that there are hobbits.

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  30. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    “No strings” sounds great on paper. I don’t think that it would work for me. I am prone to emotional involvement. My gut is telling me that both Cill and M would be that way too.


  31. @ Cill From where I sit, I am not sure you are as into her as she is into you. Of course I am way out of the picture but from what I understand, when a guy likes a gal, he’s doing all he can to get her time, attention, and win her over. Like my fiance, we met a year ago but at that time I was dating someone so he took note, kept tabs on me, and kept dating others. Then this summer he heard I was single, so he showed up at my biz, I wasn’t there because I was at a different location repping my brand, so he came the next week, I was there, I just thought he was a nice guy but a gal who works for me said she thought he was checking me out. Then he showed up the following night too, and she elbowed me and said to go talk to him. So I did, and he asked me out to dinner after I closed that night. The next day, he showed up right at closing again, to see if I had dinner plans. He lives just 5 minutes from me, turns out, and drives by on his way to work everyday. So then he started to stop by in the morning to say hello quick or on his way home. In other words, he made it a point to get my time and attention. Him doing that made me see that he was a serious candidate. Not just some guy looking to get lucky. (Liz has described her hubby had similar tactics, he sought her out, he wanted to make that happen). So I guess what I am saying is it sounds like she’s seeking you out, but you aren’t seeking her out? I’d say that’s a sign that you aren’t into it, for whatever reason, even though she sounds fabulous. I could be way off base here, but it sounds to me like YOU aren’t ready. Maybe it’s got nothing to do with her. But if you aren’t ready, I think trying to do a trial LTR if you aren’t ready will only lead to pain for her and you both. Better to look at the why behind it, why isn’t Cill ready? Maybe Cill is afraid bc of what you saw happen in your family? (Understandable but remember, that is an extreme example, it does not happen like that every single time. Look at your parents. Molly’s parents.) If this is the case, maybe Cill can get over this. Or maybe Cill likes life as it is? Maybe Cill wants to be single. And if so, nothing wrong with that. Maybe Cill will change his mind in time? Maybe Cill never will. See what I am saying, examine the reasons behind why you don’t seek M out and there will be your answer. Did you seek her out in the past, before this event in your family? Did you feel differently about her before then, and after? You don’t have to answer these questions, just putting them out there for you to ponder.

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  32. @ Cill, especially where M is so fond of you, I would advise you to get your side of it figured out before bringing her into the mix (if ever.) If something is meant to be, it will be. If now is not the right time, well, it’s not the right time. Sounds like she is willing to wait for the right time. Just my 2 cents.

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  33. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Rpg, the fact that he’s even bringing it up indicates to me that he’s definitely interested in her. I could be reading too much into his posts, but from what I can tell, he’d be all over her were it not for the whole “selling himself into slavery” thing.

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  34. Cill says:

    The law in NZ:
    “Generally, where a marriage, civil union or de facto relationship has lasted more than 3 years, all relationship property will be divided equally between the parties unless the Family Court considers there are extraordinary circumstances which would make equal sharing repugnant to justice.

    Where a marriage or civil union is of short duration, the above general rule is departed from and property will be divided according to the contributions made by each party.

    Most de facto relationships which last less than 3 years will not fall under the ambit of the Act, however there may be exceptions where there is a child/children, or where one party has made a substantial contribution to the relationship.”

    The LTR would need to be less then 3 years, and no contributions to property made.


  35. Cill says:

    Bloom I fully understand what you’re saying, and I actually agree. I’m certainly mindful of the matters you have raised, and it doesn’t hurt for people to give me the reminders about this or that.

    I think it would be fair to say I know myself better than most 30yo males know themselves. I am as CP stated at 3:19 p.m. If it weren’t for the intolerable inequality under the law, I’d be all over her like a rash. Trust me, I just would. I lead with my mind, not my heart, but i do have a mighty passionate heart! My mind hasn’t allowed itself to flick the switch yet, although my heart is ready to go!


  36. molly says:

    Would a FWB for less than 3 years be better? Don’t cohabit, and get together for “fun” 😉

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  37. Cill says:

    You’re right Fuzzy, be it LTR or FWB, emotional involvement would be hard to avoid.

    It’s worth some thought: a trial FWB *no strings attached* for a period of months, not years, with no contributions to property (not a problem – we’re well set up independently of each other). M told me she’s already emotionally involved. So the risk is mine. Could I handle it? Here and now I reckon I could. I certainly wouldn’t be in a rush to catch the oxytocin addiction that asd talked about!


  38. Cill says:

    Bloom, as someone experiencing the subject, do you think FWB could make things worse for M when she’s already emotionally involved? Say we went into FWB with clear agreement re *no strings attached* and no hard feelings…


  39. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Cill @9:01- hey, while you’re at it, why not split up and head down to the basement to see what’s making that weird noise? 😒


  40. molly says:

    CP? I don’t get it 😦


  41. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You really want to see those two get together!


  42. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Hi Molly. Those are horror movie tropes. It’s what the main characters do right before getting axed by the guy in the hockey mask. My subtle way of saying I think Cill’s hypothetical would be a bad idea.


  43. molly says:

    CP, thanks. Where did get your ghosty emoticon?


  44. molly says:

    Fuzzie, they are both trustworthy and loyal. I’ve known M since when we were at primary school! She’s hot to trot 😉 She was well raised.


  45. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Molly, the emoticon came with the iPhone. It didn’t have a Perry Mason glare, so I used that instead.


  46. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I got a bunch of updates today and need to test for emoticon capability. 🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄


  47. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Emoticon test failed. *sad face*


  48. molly says:

    Yay one for each paw! 🐻 Now, try to slow down when you eat them 😉
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯


  49. molly says:

    I see them at this end! 3 burritos a bear and me 🙄
    Have you flushed your browser cache yet?


  50. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I use CCleaner every day and clear away about a quarter gig of “Temporary Internet Files”.


  51. Tarnished says:

    I’m still very firmly of the opinion that marriage is not an optimal choice. (No offense towards Liz or Bloom intended, of course!) It’s just that given those stats above, plus the combination of what I’ve seen in my personal life, and the stories men have told on just my blog alone…*sigh*. I don’t know, Cill. I wish with all my soul that I could reassure you that she’s a true unicorn/NAWALT. Everything right now points to this being the case.

    Yet the same realism that prevents me from getting upset when mgtows say “I don’t trust you because you’re a female” is what would keep me from going any farther than a FwB relationship were I in your shoes. We can only know ourselves, it’s a matter of faith and trust to say we “know” others.

    The only other thing I’d add to the conversation is this:
    As I understand it, “dread game” is the subtle use of various mating strategies to ensure your spouse/partner understands you have options in the SMP. In other words, it cuts down on shit tests and hypergamous impulses since you’ve made it clear the person in question can easily be replaced. However, I do not see any reason to use this type of strategy on M…she already knows you have options that most assuredly don’t include her, or even anyone else. She seems very un-hypergamous, intelligent, and patient. Until you get to the point where you’re considering a full scale committed LTR, there sounds like very few reasons to use this when around her.

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  52. molly says:

    Fuzzie your browser cache is different. It stores all the stuff e.g. passwords, emoticons, URLs, email addresses etc. It needs to be flushed or it will malfunction.

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  53. Cill says:

    Tarn, do you think my idea of FWB at 9:01 pm is worth a shot? She and I are both fairly level-headed people (especially her I have to admit)

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  54. molly says:

    Fuzzie said I “really want to see those two get together”. It’s true! M has been one of my best friends since primary school days. I know her so well, her character. She’s sound and true.:)


  55. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I have Vists with IE9, no later version available for that OS. However, the emoticons show up fine if I use Google Chrome. So, I did get to see the burritos you sent. Thank you.

    M is likely all you say and more. I think the issue is in Cill’s ability to trust. While we know what happened with one uncle, there is still the other. Hard to overcome those images.

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  56. molly says:

    The 🐻 has his 🙂 back, yay! His emoticons need a post-hibernation snack!
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯


  57. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Thank you for the burritos!Yum!


  58. Tarnished says:

    Yes, I think this is the best choice so far. The thing is though, that it’s basically impossible to make it a “no strings” in all ways. Unless you’re extremely guarded or have trouble with emotions in general, sharing sexual intimacy and even just relaxed time with someone will get you attached to them. It’s just that you don’t have to worry about sharing finances/property/living arrangements/bills…in other words, you get the “best parts” of relationships without the hassles that typically cause fights and disagreements. On the flip side, since neither of you truly relies on the other for anything, time spent together really is simply because you enjoy the companionship. No worries about being used or taken for granted, and able to be a bit more open with them.

    I like this set up, as does my FwB, hence why it has worked for us for so long. According to the manosphere, at least, 8 years is atypical. But if he suddenly wanted commitment, things would likely dissolve quickly. (Not in a bad way…I’d willingly take a bullet for this man, after all. But I’d absolutely let him go to find a more appropriate partner, regardless of the pain it causes me, because that’s what you do for people you love.) Are you prepared for the variety of emotions such relationships create, Cill?

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  59. Cill says:

    I’ve arranged to see M this evening. As stated in my post, “If you ask me questions here, I’ll discuss them with her”. I’ll do this. If any of you don’t want me to use all or any of your comments, please say so during the next 7 hours.

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  60. Cill says:

    Tarn, see me at 12:47 am.

    I’d like to be able to discuss your comment with her, if that’s okay. Discussion between M and me of your and other pertinent comments here would be a good way to start the ball rolling with M. What do you think?

    [Cill self edit: “Are you prepared for the variety of emotions such relationships create, Cill?” Discussion of your comment would be a good way to get some idea of this as well]

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  61. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    If you want to avoid oxytocin addiction, I think that you will need to limit contact with M to five hours a week on one night AND also spin a couple of plates at the same time that you see as much as M.

    Somehow I avoided oxytocin addiction with Mrs. Gamer. Not sure how.

    Don’t promise exclusivity right off the bat.


  62. Cill says:

    asd and Fuzzy,

    Are you okay with me discussing some of your comments with M this evening? If you don’t want me to, no problem at all.


  63. Cill says:

    I should add that M consented to both of “The Other Woman” (i.e. M) posts on this blog. She’s very open minded.


  64. Tarnished says:


    Feel free to use my words as your own.

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  65. Sumo says:


    I only skimmed the comments, so forgive me if this point has already been made; despite the fact that you’re living in a feminist country, I think the answer to your conundrum can be found in one question – do you/can you trust her? If the answer is “yes”, then just say “fuck it” then go forth and produce some baby Cillies.

    If the answer is “no”, then walk away. It’ll be less cruel to M in the long run.

    The above comment was brought to you by the small, tiny, miniscule portion of The Mighty Sumo that isn’t an evil, soulless prick.

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  66. Cill says:

    M isn’t viewing this blog. She thought people might not express themselves so freely if they thought she might be eavesdropping. She didn’t ask for the URL. She was happy with me and commenters being able to choose what she sees.


  67. Cill says:

    And would you, brother Sumo, be willing to share your one-and-only non-evil comment with M? As I say up a bit ^^^ I’ll be seeing her tonight. Your last paragraph will be good for a laugh. Tension breaker. If you don’t want me to, no probs.


  68. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I can’t think of anything that I have said that should be withheld from M, so go ahead.

    Liked by 2 people

  69. Sumo says:

    Share with whomever you want to, brother. If I didn’t want anyone to read it, I wouldn’t have written it. 😉

    Liked by 3 people

  70. Cill says:

    Sumo, Fuzzy, Tarn
    Thanks. I’ll be meeting M in about 3 hours.

    Liked by 1 person

  71. Tarnished says:

    Tangent Topic Time!
    A different side of the gay marriage debate:

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  72. Cill says:

    Yo Tarn, just what I needed, a bit of light hearted fun! 😀
    Boyfriends with boobs!


  73. molly says:

    Me too! You brought some fun into our faraway world!
    Gimme a gay guy NOW!


  74. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Ask M if she has seen any single girl bears.
    Don’t forget to have fun.


  75. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I just saw that.


  76. Cill says:

    I will ask her of course, Fuzzy, but I’m not holding out much hope. The closest thing to a girl bear here in NZ is the female Moehau Man. Unless we jump over the ditch to Oz…
    Ever hankered after a girl marsupial bear? 😉


  77. molly says:

    I just saw that.

    Quick, feed him and run…
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯


  78. molly says:

    Aw shucks, you got nothing to worry about, F. Wuzzie Bear 🙄


  79. molly says:

    I just discovered, I can’t run very fast in this getup.

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  80. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    That’s all right. Maybe I should sign up with a Russian dating agenct based on the Kamchatka Peninsula. There are supposed to be more bears there than people.

    The gay girls did get my attention with an honest interest in sports. It is getting tough for men and women trying to find common interests.


  81. molly says:

    Anyone got a pogo stick I can borrow?


  82. Sumo says:

    Meh. I’ve actually dated a lesbian. It ain’t all that.


  83. Cill says:

    I can’t picture you bouncing around like Yoda there, Molly. A rocket backpack is what you need for escaping from marauding bears


  84. Padawan says:

    Gay Confusion (by Padawan, Poet Laureate 2014 – ?)

    A gay guy while once in Kartroon
    Found a lesbian up in his room
    They argued all night as to who had the right
    To do which and with what and to whom

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  85. molly says:

    Do tell, Bad Sumo! 😉
    Was it like Padawan’s poem?
    (quick, jump on pogo stick and bounce outa here!)


  86. Sumo says:

    Well, she identified as “lesbian”, but certain…,um, “events” led me to believe that she was either bi or just a lying little bitch. In any case, she was more trouble than she was worth.

    And not the good kind of trouble.;)


  87. Cill says:

    Sumo, with you there bro.

    A group of them befriended me when I was quite naive, asked me to drive them around. I thought they were just nice ladies. When I found myself on this big round vibrating bed it sorta sank in, this ain’t right. They were too butch to be sexy so I took to Shanks’s pony 😉


  88. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am trying to picture you making your escape on a pogo stick as a rainbow furby being pursued by a bear running upright on his hind legs.
    This is Warner Bros. Merrie Melodies stuff.

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  89. Cill says:

    I’m looking forward to my meeting with M in 3-and-a-bit hours. I’ve got my printouts of comments ready to go. There will be serious and fun! I’ll be able to explain, “This one’s a bear and this one’s a unicorn and this one’s a furby and this one’s evil”… It will all make perfect sense to her, I’m sure 😉


  90. molly says:

    Fuzzie, you sure it’s not Warner Bros Looney Tunes stuff? 😉

    Liked by 1 person

  91. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I suffered a lapse. We’re both right.

    It will all make sense in time for her and she will come to love us too.

    Liked by 1 person

  92. Sumo says:

    If you decide you want to scare her off, just show her my avatar pic. That’ll get rid of her with the quickness,

    Liked by 2 people

  93. Cill says:

    1 1/2 hours to go…

    The reason Molly knows about Looney Tunes is her Dad and mine are fanatics for old movie reels. They project the pictures onto a dead screen. We watch Warner Bros cartoons and old silent movies like Charlie Chaplin and Laurel and Hardie


  94. molly says:

    And Buster Keaton 🙂


  95. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly likes Buster Keaton?


  96. Cill says:

    Wasn’t Buster Keaton great? What a stuntman. I really enjoyed that, Fuzzy.


  97. molly says:

    I like the guy leaning out the window as the plank whacked him on the head.


  98. Cill says:

    For the record, Molly laughs just as much today as she did at the age of five when watching that scene.


  99. molly says:

    30 minutes to go, Cill! heh heh
    He’s prepped.
    I’m going to make myself scarce soon.
    You lot far away over the seas will all be asleeps.


  100. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good luck, Cill!
    Good night, Molly.
    Sleepytime for bear.


  101. Cill says:

    My meeting with M

    I thought it would relax the situation if we had a look at the light-hearted stuff first, “This one’s a bear and this one’s a unicorn and this one’s a furby and this one’s evil” as so on. She had a good chuckle about it, and as an old friend of Molly’s she thought the rainbow furby was hilarious.

    Wanting to commit:
    When it got down to the more serious stuff, M was interested first in Bloom’s comment at 11 February, 2015 at 8:10 pm “I am not sure you are as into her as she is into you”.
    We discussed that in relation to Bloom at 11 February, 2015 at 8:14 pm “I would advise you to get your side of it figured out before bringing her into the mix (if ever.)”
    Rather than go into details of the conversation, I’ll cover it in broad terms.
    I made it clear that I lead with my head not my heart. She made it clear that she already knew this.
    We agreed that in terms of open commitment, she is more into me than I am into her.

    Marriage / LTR:
    M was interested in Tarn’s LTR situation, and Tarn’s repugnance for marriage as a relationship of legal inequality. We spent some time on this. She knows why and how I learned by bitter experience that fembots have made marriage an intolerable risk for men. As a friend of the family, she felt the family’s grief at the time.
    M accepted my position, and that it is incompatible with her goal of marriage.

    The Options:
    We went through the printouts of other comments, and the options under the heading “My options Are” in the post. Is her goal so incompatible with my position as to make it hopeless?
    Obviously if things remain unchanged, the answer can only be Yes.
    Must things remain unchanged?
    No. It’s more accurate to say things must change. Time changes things. If we stay in contact we will become more used to each other. Our lives will change as we age. Our situations, attitudes and prospects will change.

    The Chosen Option:
    It’s very early in our “relationship”. This is only our second discussion on the subject. We’ve known each other a long time, but not in terms of “a relationship”.

    Her goal is incompatible with my MGTOW position relating to marriage at this time.
    We will stay in touch. She will visit “my” beach, as before. We will interact from time to time. We will live with the effluxion of Time. Nothing is written in stone.

    At this time, we have chosen Option 5 “Platonic friends”.

    But we have discussed ourselves in terms of “a relationship”, which has changed our attitude towards each other and set a possible platform for the future.

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  102. Tarnished says:

    “M was interested in Tarn’s LTR situation, and Tarn’s repugnance for marriage as a relationship of legal inequality.”

    Did hearing from a “female” voice help matters? It seems, especially in the manosphere and conservative circles, that the assumed Default Desire for anyone with a vagina is commitment/marriage. Even in real life, both men and women get offended or suspicious when I say I’m not going to wed someday.


  103. theasdgamer says:

    Path 2–slow sex. This can work in your case since you’re in control. You might try the No-Sex-Naked-Sleepover from time to time to keep her sexually hot for you. That really means No Sex. Only works if you have great self-control.


  104. @ Cill so how did she seem to feel about the platonic friends option? Did it end on a sad note? Happy? Upset? Gosh I hope my comments from a stranger halfway around the world who rally knows nothing about the situation weren’t upsetting. :/ If I saw you two in person, the body language, I could tell you much better. Please take my comments with a grain (or chunk) of salt.

    I was kind of hoping to hear you guys kissed a bit and decided to give things a try! Ah well…maybe next time?


  105. Cill says:

    You said somewhere, you couldn’t accept the inequality of marriage, because of its bias in your favor but against your partner by virtue of sex. That really set M thinking. Her comments were along these lines:

    “God, it’s like the bloody apple. The knowledge of good and evil. It means, doesn’t it, a woman who loves a man won’t marry him if she has knowledge of the bias in the system. She could no more marry him than buy him in the slave market.”

    Then she made me laugh by saying “Imagine all these bad female slaver owners in a slave market. An anti-slavery woman comes along. She fancies a certain slave and bids for him in the auction, not to own him but to prevent him falling into the clutches of one of those bad female slave owners!

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  106. Cill says:

    Bloom, your comment had the opposite effect! Think of the situation as it was before my discussion with M last night. I was a MGHOW. This morning I woke up as a man in a “relationship”. I know “platonic friends” won’t sound like much in the world out there, pretty soppy in fact. But to me it’s major. She’s not the only woman I’d call a friend, but she is the only one I’ll admit to being in a “relationship” with. It’s a commitment, in a way. We’re looking out for each other. We’re mindful of “relationship”. If I had a fling with someone else, I’d know I was breaching an understanding. That’s a hell of a big shift for me. I’ve never seen M so happy as she was at the end of our discussion. She was on cloud nine.

    Your comment helped both of us. She really did need to discuss “I am not sure you are as into her as she is into you” and your comment gave her a golden opportunity to do so. Thank you from both of us, okay?

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  107. Cill says:

    Hey asd,

    Bloody hell, it’s tempting! I’ll tell you what, I’m going to earmark your comment and further down the track I might just try it on. Now I’m gonna have to get off this line of thought, it’s put fire in my blood…


  108. Cill says:

    I’m losing my broadband connection every 5 minutes here.

    FWIW, FWB is as far as I’ll ever be prepared to go. No children. M is happy with FWB as long as it’s a trial for marriage – if trial fails to show us marriage is on, we’d call it a day and go our separate ways. On the other hand, I’d be happy with FWB forever i.e. not as a trial for marriage. So M thought hard about whether she could change her stance re FWB.

    M looked hard at Tarn’s side of her IRL FWB. A real monogamous long-term commitment to a non-cohabiting relationship clearly intrigued her. The fact that the commitment could be given with love for as long as it was in the best interests of the partner intrigued her even more.

    The way we left it last night, I’m not the only one who’d have to change for there to be any hope of a long-term future between us. That’s why I say these post comments really have helped.

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  109. Yoda says:

    Chick magnet this thread is.


  110. Tarnished says:


    That’s a pretty close approximation of the way I view Western marriage laws…it’s not equal, ergo I don’t want it. While I’ve concluded no relationship can ever be 100% egalitarian, that doesn’t mean we can’t work to make it as close as possible.

    If she wants, give her my email address. I’ll go over the pros and cons (what few there are) in more detail for her. Perhaps it will help.

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  111. Cill says:

    Some more patch up work on the cable has given me broadband again. Thanks Tarn, I’ll pass that along to her.

    “Did hearing from a “female” voice help matters?”
    She was curious about you. I told her my understanding of you, which I think you know of, but she obviously did regard you as a “female” voice. Interesting, eh. For her as a female, the POV of another female in a successful long-term FWB carried far more weight than a man’s POV would have, yes.

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  112. Cill says:

    “Chick magnet this thread is”
    More than twice as many men as women actually.

    Liked by 1 person

  113. Tarnished says:


    Well mine *is* a strange situation, but the crux of the matter is that I am physically female…Were anything to happen, the police, law, and numerous advocates would almost immediately be on my side simply due to my sex. Though it pains me to do so, this is absolutely something that needs to be taken into consideration when discussing relationships of any intimate kind.

    For what it’s worth, my FwB thinks this is over-thinking things and trusts me wholeheartedly. So it is more the principal I’m upholding than anything else given that he’s rather “purple pill”. Odd how these things work out, eh?

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  114. Yoda says:

    Very few chicks normally comment they do.


  115. molly says:

    “Very few chicks normally comment they do.”
    Is Mrs Y a typical quiet female, Yoda, huh? C’mon spill the beans 😉


  116. Padawan says:

    Yoda’s Shrinking Violet (by Padawan, Poet Laureate 2014 – ?)

    When Yoda’s weapon’s in his hand
    His wife is not so quiet
    When it’s on the Jedi’s stand
    She’s just a shrinking violet.


  117. molly says:

    For me it’s boat home, eat lunch, boat back, work. See ya! 🙂


  118. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I think the “platonid friends” is a safe emotional compromise. While she is fully confident in you, you need to have full confidence in her.


  119. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    So here’s me not saying anything. Because I know I’m pessimistic, and life is sometimes better than it should be. Excelsior!

    By the way, the benefit of pessimism is crow tastes delicious. But it’s rare that I get to taste it. Here’s hoping that it’s on the menu.


  120. Cill says:

    Fuzzie, Apart from telling her (for the second time) I don’t want to see her again, “platonic friends” was the next most cautious step to take. Which brings me to…

    CP, you don’t agree?


  121. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    If I were talking to myself, I’d say get on with it, and stop faffing about. Some stoves have to be touched. And occasionally they might turn out to be hand warmers. So Eeyore it is, then. 😜


  122. Cill says:

    That sounds uncharacteristically uncautious, Cautiously. 😉


  123. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Well, I could say everyone’s dead eventually and it doesn’t matter what you do, but my therapist is suggesting that I take an unorthodox (read: unrealistic) approach to relating with people. Hell, God loves y’all so I suppose I’ve got to pretend that what you do matters. For what it’s worth, I trust God. No matter what fool idea he’s come up with.


  124. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    If I had my own version of M, I don’t think that I would be as cautious as you. But that is me. I think that she wants to go all in, which says something about honesty of motive.


  125. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Fuzzy, women that are up to no good look exactly like women that mean well, look exactly like women that are good marriage prospects. Okay, I’ve spread enough gloom. Life is fun as well (I’m told). Like crying clowns and whatnot.

    You should have a good outlook. I say, without any justification.


  126. Cill says:


    Well you never know. Cill+M might be part of the Big Guy’s Greater Plan. A new race of femboticide manophiles perhaps?


    All my mates (except the MGTOW) tell me I’m stark raving mad. As one guy told me “Hell we’ve all got our tongues hanging out for this fictional work of woman while you, you f*cking moron, are blinking around like a possum in the headlights! Unbe-fucking-lievable!”

    There’s a lot at stake, Fuzzy. Any sort of relationship is a big step for me.


  127. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Hey, if God’s plan is fulfilled, I’ve got no problem. If it isn’t… Problem.


  128. Farm Boy says:

    There is a new post

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  129. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill and Cautiously Pessimisic,
    I am fully aware that women can disguise their intentions. MOre than once I have been accused of being a terrified bear.


  130. molly says:

    Hi Fuzzie and CP, I’m home after another busy day! Greetings! 🙂


  131. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Happy to see you back!
    I have to ask. Are you having trouble sleeping? Your fur is very loud, visually.


  132. Cill says:

    Tarn I’ve given your email to M
    Over to her.


  133. molly says:

    I sleep well. It’s 5:20 p.m. here and my coat is all wonderful rainbows, least where I’m sitting 😉

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  134. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    All your friends will know that you are coming from a long way off. They’ll have your faorite beverage poured and a burrito ready.


  135. molly says:

    Aa burrito? I usually expect 3! 😉
    Like you expect 4 which is what you shall have
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🌯
    You deserve it after going without for so long 🙂


  136. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I can see emoticons again! I don’t know what happened and it may only be temporary but,
    Thank you for the burritos!!
    🌯 🌯 🌯 🐻 🙄


  137. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Whale video for Molly.

    Bedtime for bear. Snooze.


  138. sweetheart888 says:

    Unfortunately with my busy-ness now that the sch term has started in earnest, I couldn’t finish reading all the comments so I’m sorry if I ask questions that have already been asked.

    But I don’t understand why u have to immediately choose whether to marry her, or just have a friends-with-benefits rship etc. Why couldn’t u just date her first, to get to know each other better? After going on several dates, u’d be in a much better position to decide whether to take it further.

    I would say u should DEFINITELY date her! I’m sure quite a few of us here have experienced regret because we chose to not date someone due to pre-emptively thinking that it wouldn’t work out in the end so why bother. But I’ve realised that if u date someone wonderful, even if it doesn’t work out, the time spent with the person would still have value–u’d still learn things, u’d still create beautiful memories etc. Take the chance, Cill! 🙂

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  139. Alana says:

    Oh shoot, the above commenter was me. ^^

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  140. Cill says:


    I’m a bit late responding, but we are basically dating and taking it slowly as you suggest. It’s working out well. I’m the one with the qualms, but I’m enjoying it so far. Neither of us is into bars and nightclubs. We’ve had two dates. We had a picnic on “my” beach. She really does love it there. We watched a movie earlier tonight. Next “date” I’m going to take her for a spin on my boat, and have a look at NZ’s breath-taking shoreline from the sea.

    Regular “dating” is a new experience for us. Neither of us was ever on the dating market before. It’s fun with the right person.

    Thanks, Alana.

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  141. Alana says:

    @Cill: I’m so happy u 2 are giving it a try. 🙂 I also am having some new dating experiences recently. I have v limited dating experience cos my parents didn’t allow me to date till 18, and in my early 20s I chose not to date for some personal reasons. And now I’ve been dating a guy who’s so different from most guys I’ve known before. So everything seems so new and strange, wonderful but scary. U probably know what I mean, lol. We gotta balance being careful with being open to new positive experiences and it can be hard sometimes, for more cautious folks, or those like u who’ve seen first-hand how choosing the wrong partner can screw up someone’s life.

    U are right that dating is fun with the right person. I hope u’ll have amazing times with her. And if u ever want a scary movie to watch while snuggling up with her, I recommend The Conjuring (terrifying) or The Babadook (an Australian horror movie that got very good reviews). 😉 Good luck.

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  142. Spawny Get says:

    “Babadook”? That was mentioned when I finished ‘Housebound’ which I definitely recommend.


  143. Alana says:

    Yes it got great reviews at the Sundance Film Festival. It has good ratings on review sites like Rottentomatoes too. I watched it and it does have scary scenes, plus the plot has depth too.

    Thanks for the horror movie recommendation Spawny, I’m always on the lookout for good horror films to watch on dates or with friends/family. 🙂

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  144. Alana says:

    Reviews of ‘Housebound’ look good. 🙂 A new horror movie to watch :)))

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  145. Cill says:

    Alana, good for you! I know what “wonderful but scary” means all right! At the age of 30 I find myself in my first relationship. I’m sort of naive and innocent which can seem strange because I’ve been with a number women. In the past I’ve never had a relationship whereby I could put my monogamy to the test, but I’m definitely monogamous and would expect her to be too.

    M and I are taking it day by day. We always had similar senses of humor and we spend a lot of our time together laughing uproariously. Another strange thing, we haven’t touched each other yet. This was my request. Unusual for a man, eh? She’s so damn hot I fear if we touch it won’t stop there and we’ll go too far too fast. In fact I don’t just fear it, I know it! She’s got the hots for me too, it couldn’t be more obvious.

    Thanks for your supportive, positive thoughts, Alana.

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  146. Cill says:

    There are a number of low budget NZ movies that are pretty darn good. Literary types say there’s a “darkness” about NZ literature and movies. It’s like a foreboding or malevolence. I watch them at night on Free TV. If I come across any titles I’ll put them in a comment here.

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  147. blurkel says:

    I’m VERY late to this dance, but I have to ask: Why marry her? Can you not come to a different understanding and not have to legalize it? Something like Tarn’s?

    At the very least, slow down and think how things are. You have yet to really test her, and she’s not yet shown you every facet of herself. Don’t lock yourself in before you’ve reconnoitered the terrain. Would your ancestor have charged at Beersheba without knowing something about the enemy disposition?

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  148. Alana says:

    U’re welcome, Cill. 🙂

    Mmm, delayed gratification can be lots of fun. 😉 But yes, taking things slow is a good idea, if it’s the right rship then u’ve got plenty of time for all that. :p

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  149. Cill says:

    Alana, delayed gratification is delicious fun and is damn near killing me at the same time! There’s so much at stake. Once my brain flips that switch I’ll be head over heels for her. It has to proceed slowly or not at all. She’s 23. There’s no rush. She wants to marry me, she knows I’ll never marry, so how far we go is entirely over to me. Yep, scary but fun! 😉

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  150. Tarnished says:

    I’m not going to betray any confidences, but will say this:

    Cill and M are on the same page in more ways than they are not.
    That is all.

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  151. Cill says:

    Blurkel, “Would your ancestor have charged at Beersheba without knowing something about the enemy disposition?” No way! The word “reckless” has been used to describe him, but although he was a swashbuckling man he was a calculating planner as well, as he proved later in his life. It would be fair to say I’ve inherited the same traits.

    Your advice is valued, brother. The hardest aspect for me to control is sheer old-fashioned lust. Putting it crudely, I remember words (I think by Kiss) along these lines:
    “Every time I open the door it’s the same damn thing.
    That bitch bends over, and I forget my name.”


  152. Cill says:

    Do tell, Tarn!
    (just kidding)

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  153. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s not for me to say but, if M has the endorsement of all the women in your family, that counts for a lot.
    Just keep watching movies with lots of horses. Yoda would second me on this.


  154. Tarnished says:

    Lots of horses? 😕


  155. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, she’s keen to watch The Lighthorsemen again. There’s a bit of romance in it, as you know, and my gallant ancestor on horseback, and galloping hooves and a charge to equal that of the Light Brigade… well, she loved it. In supplying us with that movie you’ve really started something, Fuzzy.


  156. Cill says:

    I said “There are a number of low budget NZ movies that are pretty darn good. Literary types say there’s a “darkness” about NZ literature and movies. It’s like a foreboding or malevolence. I watch them at night on Free TV. If I come across any titles I’ll put them in a comment here”:

    They are in rough order of preference, apart from Housebound which I haven’t seen, but Spawny gives it a good rating. Although The Piano comes last, it’s still a good movie. There’s not much difference in quality between the first and the last.

    Once Were Warriors
    In My Father’s Den
    Goodbye Pork Pie
    Smash Palace
    Heavenly Creatures
    Came a Hot Friday
    The Scarecrow
    Illustrious Energy
    Whale Rider
    The Piano


  157. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks for the list, heard of some of them…and Housebound


  158. Cill says:

    I haven’t seen Housebound. M rang me from a dvd outlet in town (she needed a reminder of the title) and with a bit of luck she’ll locate it for us to watch. The other one I haven’t been able to locate is “Black Sea”. No-one has heard of it down here.

    There is another old NZ movie that would go top of my list, but I can’t remember the title. I can’t find any mention of it on the net. The budget was so low, it consisted of not much more than a V8 American car and a handful of obscure actors. Watching it was a strange, gripping experience. A young couple decided to quit everything and hit the road. They pick up a mysterious hitchhiker and gawd almighty it got dark from there. I’ll keep looking, but the movie was so obscure I don’t think I’ll find it.


  159. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am glad that I was able to do you and M a service. That is a good film.

    I have been trying to spread rumors about Yoda and his Mrs. That they like to watch movies with lots of horses seemed innocent enough.


  160. Farm Boy says:

    he other one I haven’t been able to locate is “Black Sea”.

    It might not be out on video yet.

    If there ever was a modern red-pill movie disguised as a non-red-pill movie, that is it.


  161. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    How about “Kingdom of Heaven”?


  162. Alana says:

    Thanks for the movie list, Cill. ^^


  163. Cill says:

    Alana, you’re welcome.

    Fuzzy, until “M and Me” I hadn’t realized how few movies I’ve seen. I’ve added “Kingdom of Heaven” to the list of movies I could watch with her. Thanks.


  164. Cill says:


    Snakeskin (2001)

    An award-winning New Zealand film directed by Gillian Ashurst…
    The film has never officially been released in the US or the UK, but it has been shown in the U.K. on the ‘Movies for men’ TV channel several times.


  165. Spawny Get says:

    I looked for a few on Netflix and Amazon but they weren’t there, or weren’t free or cheap. 12 squid for an old movie these days? I might set filters on my recorder, I receive Movie whatever it was you mentioned, so sooner, or later they may come along.


  166. Cill says:

    Spawny, M proudly produced a “Housebound” dvd. Jim decided to watch it first. He said it was such crap he returned it to the dvd outlet. The young blighter didn’t give us a chance to decide for ourselves, although he assured us we would’ve hated it.

    I didn’t have a close look at the dvd case, but enough to wonder if it was the same movie you saw. I think it came out this year. It was nothing to do with NZ. It had American actors, director etc. The write-up was, a woman had been raped and some bad people confined her to a house and subjected her to mental torment.

    Does this sound like the Housebound you saw? If so we’ll rent it again and have a squiz.


  167. Spawny Get says:

    no, my one started with a young kiwi couple robbing an atm. He swings a sledgehammer which rebounds and knocks him out. She blows up the atm, grabs the cash and his body, climbs in the car and then beaches it on a sleeping policeman. Cue sirens.

    When she gets out of jail she’s put on a bracelet tying her to the house. Housebound.

    There was to be an American remake. Those guys fuckitup with humour. Watch the kiwi movie. They murdered Coupling, Red Dwarf…can’t do dark humour. Just an opinion, like.

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  168. theasdgamer says:

    I dedicate the following song to Mrs. Gamer.

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