Red Pill Classroom — The Beta


Previously the Alpha was defined.  The wolf just below the alpha in the hierarchy is the Beta, and it is implied by this that he is very competent.  Yet with wolves, only alphas mate.   And in modern times the situation appears to be trending that way with humans also.

As mentioned above, the beta is competent, but not dominant.  These are the kinds of men that civilization needs in abundance to thrive.  Men who get things done; ones that do the work themselves.  As for dominant men, civilization does not need that many of them; as they tend to jockey among themselves for dominance (with no useful work being done).

For the longest time civilizations cultivated and rewarded such men.  This is how in large part they became civilizations.  But in the present day, it appears that civilization believes itself wealthy enough that these men no longer need to be cultivated and rewarded.  Part of that reward was an expectation that comparable level women available for marriage would be in the offing.  Followed by a family to call his own.  For the modern day beta men, marriage and children may eventually become available (often much later than in earlier generations), but the family would never be truly his.  It is hers, to do with as she sees fit; so says the law (effectively).

Modern Beta men often spend their late teens and twenties developing job skills and building a small nest egg.  Typically during this period, they have little success with women, as they do not generate the one thing in women that they seem to value above all else — tingles.

But a woman cannot live her life by tingles alone, so as the modern Beta man enters his thirties, he gets interest from women.  But the interest is typically due to the woman’s need for sperm donation and future provisioning (including possibly children she brings into a marriage). Perhaps she temporarily convinces herself that she loves him, but she may not be able to maintain this fiction for long.  Her resentment builds and after she bears her desired amount of children, he is pushed out the door.  To continue paying for twenty years or more.  This is a common trajectory for a modern beta man.

It was not always this way.  My Dad was as beta as they come.  Yet he married, had a loving wife, and a family to call his own.  Women were raised differently then.  And society had different expectations.

P.S. As always NAWALT applies.

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101 comments on “Red Pill Classroom — The Beta
  1. Farm Boy says:

    Does everybody see that dark dot in the lower left of the photo? That would be the Loch Ness monster.

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  2. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    In the past, when the ambitions of men went unfulfilled, they were at liberty to emigrate. America benefitted from this for a long time. Now, it’s the other way ’round. If things continue as they have, one way or the other, we will lose the Betas.

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  3. Farm Boy says:

    we will lose the Betas

    Does anybody care?
    Do women?
    Do the authorities?

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  4. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Vladimir Putin has made overtures to the descendants of White Russian emegres to return “home”. Never mind that it is nearly one hundred years on. What if he extended the invitation? What if he told those he invited that Russian women won’t treat them “that way”?

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  5. Farm Boy says:

    Fuzzie Bear,

    I am not quite sure what you are getting at.

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  6. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    What if he invited the Betas there and told them that Russian women are not going to treat them as American women would? Keep in mind that in Russia, Belorussia, and the Ukraine, there are about 86 men for every 100 women.

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  7. Farm Boy says:

    That would be appealing. But could he deliver?

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  8. Tarnished says:

    “Yet with wolves, only alphas mate.”

    Um…the reason only ‘alpha’ wolves mate in a pack is because nature abhors inbreeding and most animals have a psychological bias against mating within one’s immediate family. A typical wild wolf pack is made up of a father, a mother (possibly 2), and their sons/daughters. The only times real fights for dominance are found is in *captive* populations.

    Is this new information? It’s what I was taught in high school biology. 😕

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  9. Tarnished says:

    “Modern Beta men often spend their late teens and twenties developing job skills and building a small nest egg.”
    -What do women do, in your experience?

    “Typically during this period, they have little success with women, as they do not generate the one thing in women that they seem to value above all else — tingles.”
    -Tingles = Induced by Money? Or can be, but only on a temporary basis?

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  10. Farm Boy says:

    Sometimes there are two brothers at the top of the hierarchy. On the other side there might be multiple females that are genetically different.

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  11. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I don’t think that he would make the offer. It’s too provocative. We are vulnerable there.
    However, how did oil get down to fifty dollars a barrel making it necessary for Russia to pay seventeen percent on money it borrows?
    There may already be a war, of sorts, going on.

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  12. Farm Boy says:

    Tingles = Induced by Money?

    They say that money can’t buy you love.
    But it also can’t buy you tingles.
    The most it can do is add to tingles once a man is over her tingle threshold.

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  13. Farm Boy says:

    -What do women do, in your experience?

    In their twenties women are into career development and “goofing around” (often the carousel).

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  14. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Maeve has her own little blog dealing with mostly the home. Since you mentioned the Loch Ness monster, I thought you may get a kick out of this.
    https://maeve0330.wordpress.com/2015/01/25/sunday-sillies-mysterious-creatures-edition/

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  15. Farm Boy says:

    The Loch Ness Monster is big business over there. They probably never want to conclusively show that it does not exist.

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  16. Tarnished says:

    Re: Wolves
    True, but it’s rare.
    *sigh* Just an outdated turn of phrase, then. I’ll leave it alone. 😉

    Re: Tingles
    Sorry, but now I’m more confused. What is a “tingle threshold”? Is it the extra little push that makes a beta into an alpha for the purposes of a LTR?

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  17. Farm Boy says:

    What is a “tingle threshold”?

    Go here,

    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2015/01/19/the-binding-force/

    Notice how the woman response poorly to a modest amount of dominance. If a fella ups his game, she responds much more. In the area when she really starts responding is the “tingle” threshold.

    Or to put it more simply, it is the minimum point where she gets “turned on”.
    But money by itself usually can never do it.

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  18. Liz says:

    In the alpha thread I gave an anecdote about my husband putting his career and ass on the line to stand up to a higher ranking douchebag asshole for the benefit of his subordinates. Is that an alpha trait, or beta trait?

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  19. Tarnished says:

    It’s a “good person” trait.

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  20. Liz says:

    Agreed, Tarn…but many many people couldn’t stand up to this guy (basically, everyone else).
    And that doesn’t make them bad people (necessarily). What it is, it a good LEADER trait.

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  21. Liz says:

    And the douchewad didn’t become Colonel by being “so alpha”…he kissed ass all the way.

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  22. Tarnished says:

    Seriously, some parts of the manosphere spend so much time worrying about every little thing they do, and whether it’s a “alpha or beta” trait.
    Literally everything from smiling at a female neighbor to helping a drunk woman to a cab. It’s like they can’t simply react to a situation…they have to determine if it’s “alpha” enough.

    Your husband is a good person and man, Liz. He did the right thing.

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  23. Tarnished says:

    Good leader…sounds about right.

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  24. Liz says:

    “Seriously, some parts of the manosphere spend so much time worrying about every little thing they do, and whether it’s a “alpha or beta” trait.”

    I think this too, and it starts to get to me. “Oh, he’s married. Beta provider.”
    “Oh, he’s a douche canoe…alpha independence there…”

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  25. Tarnished says:

    Yeah, it’s weird.
    I had a conversation with a man (I think on Private Man’s blog) who helped a woman who was being harassed outside of a bar by her date. I told him that was a brave and kind thing to do, but many of the other (male) commenters said he was incredibly “beta” for not getting her number afterwards. All I could think was how awkward that would be.

    “Hey chica, I just stopped your douche of a date from abusing you. I’ll pick you up at 7 tomorrow.”

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  26. Liz says:

    ““Hey chica, I just stopped your douche of a date from abusing you. I’ll pick you up at 7 tomorrow.”

    Lol! Definitely agree with you.
    There was a guy I’ve known since way back when, before we had kids. He was in our squadron and treated his wife like shite (“oh so alpha…”) She eventually left him and he dated around so much we called him the ‘manwhore’. He’d brag about banging so many hot babes left and right. He said, “Sometimes it’s all I can do to throw the sheets in the drier in the hour before the next one comes over.”

    He had photos he shared with everyone, even those who didn’t express an interest…I wasn’t really impressed with the one girl I saw he brought to a squadron event, and I’m assuming she was the “hot one” but whatever. Cause alphas brag a lot for validation reasons…right? It’s just weird. He’s married and miserable now, btw…to a wife a lot worse than the first one (who was actually pretty and sweet).

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  27. Yoda says:

    I think this too, and it starts to get to me. “Oh, he’s married. Beta provider.”
    “Oh, he’s a douche canoe…alpha independence there…”

    Coping mechanism it is,
    to dysfunctional system imposed on them it would be.
    Women need such a mechanism not.

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  28. Yoda says:

    Showing jerky traits shortest path to alpha (the tinglate women version) it is.
    Reward this women do.

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  29. Liz says:

    “Showing jerky traits shortest path to alpha (the tinglate women version) it is.
    Reward this women do.”

    I guess that’s true in a sense.
    Kind of like the quickest way to lose weight is to catch amoebic dysentery.

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  30. Lon Spector says:

    The only way to have a friend, is to be a friend.

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  31. Liz says:

    Here’s a question to you in that vein, LS…or Farm boy, or anyone else.
    Is friendship beta?

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  32. Yoda says:

    Is friendship beta?

    It is what men do.
    Men no concept of “frenemies” do they have

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  33. Tarnished says:

    Liz,
    1. I was trying to catch flesh-eating bacteria, myself. 😉 😛

    2. Friendship is absolutely not beta, if we’re using “beta” to mean “someone who let’s others walk all over them”. Fair weather ‘friends’, narcissists, and leeches need not apply.

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  34. Cill says:

    “Kind of like the quickest way to lose weight is to catch amoebic dysentery.”
    Or die.
    The epitaph: “Lose weight now. I’ll show you how”.

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  35. Liz says:

    Lol! 🙂
    Death also cures cancer….

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  36. Farm Boy says:

    The reason that there is a manosphere is because of the large cluster___k that society has become. Men need to understand what is happening to them. The models created by the manosphere, like most psychological and sociological models, are not complete. They are simple models that work well enough.

    A prior post on this website explains the differences between “alphas for men” and “alphas for women”. In times past, women for the most part were not allowed to act upon an impulse related to “alphas for women”, and as such, this definition did have any real impact on society. Now that women are in the drivers’s seat, they are in a position to encourage the “alphas for women” type. And once again, much of the “alpha for women” scheme is just posturing, with no real work to develop oneself required. Which path would the average young man choose?

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  37. Cill says:

    “A prior post explains the differences between “alphas for men” and “alphas for women”
    And it was a good post. For me, the difficulty is personal – but I’m not preoccupied with it.

    On some blogs, some blokes have got it all worked out. Their entire universe is Alpha/Beta/Tingles, and you better learn to fit into it or you don’t exist.

    Alpha/Beta is a concept I easily understand in the way MGTOW discuss it. But it’s weird for me personally because it just doesn’t apply in my own little world. Is Alpha/Beta exhaustive? A man is one or ‘tother? (I know there are other labels such as Zeta but they apply in a different context.) When I ask, which am I? … I don’t find a ready answer. The concept is easy. The IRL is difficult.

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  38. Farm Boy says:

    Betas are competent. Greek letters further on down the line are less competent.

    There is the problem here of a conflict between fully descriptive models and models simple enough for most to use. There is really no perfect way to resolve this.

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  39. Cill says:

    Yes, and the proof of the model is it working IRL. There’s the rub.

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  40. Farm Boy says:

    And what does “working” mean?

    Work perfectly?
    Work good enough?
    What is good enough?

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  41. Cill says:

    I try to simplify it for myself:
    Beta are the men who get dissed. Alpha are the men who give tingles.
    BUT
    Beta do give tingles. Alphas do get dissed.

    Are there two broad types of women out there, as well? Your model works sufficiently for one type but not the other? I don’t mean old and new. I mean here and now.

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  42. Anon says:

    Why beta exist? What are the evolutionary advances of being beta?

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  43. Cill says:

    Beta men are the ones who get stripped by the system. Alpha men are too unproductive (or too far removed from the patriarchy) for the system to strip. The Beta men end up discarded and dismissed, while the Alphas carry on giving some women their jollies with impunity. In this sense of Alpha/Beta, the model works in my reality.

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  44. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy at 3:43pm,
    You asked a question about which path young men are choosing to take. What young men must be seeing has to be a lot worse than what we grew up with. They are seeing the nonsense that their female collegues are getting away with and makeing a conscious decision to not participate in the SMP. That says a lot when you factor in teenage hormones.

    I have to wonder that, as narcissim progresses, will allmen end up being beta?

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    Beta men are the ones who get stripped by the system. Alpha men are too unproductive (or too far removed from the patriarchy) for the system to strip. The Beta men end up discarded and dismissed, while the Alphas carry on giving some women their jollies with impunity. In this sense of Alpha/Beta, the model works in my reality.

    That simplifies the model a bit. Easy to understand. Does anybody object?

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  46. Farm Boy says:

    I have to wonder that, as narcissism progresses, will all men end up being beta?

    Many will end up with greek letters beyond beta. They will see little point in becoming competent, so they won’t.

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  47. Farm Boy says:

    They are seeing the nonsense that their female colleagues are getting away with and making a conscious decision to not participate in the SMP. That says a lot when you factor in teenage hormones.

    That says very much. The basis of a future post it might be.

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  48. Anon says:

    @Cill
    I agree with what you said. But must exist some advantages for being beta since the majority of men are beta.This is what i want to know is the advantage for the individual, we are not a hive species so it must exist a clear and immediate advantage for the existence of beta men.

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  49. Farm Boy says:

    Why beta exist? What are the evolutionary advances of being beta?

    What if everybody is a chief and there are no indians (sorry, native Americans)?

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  50. Anon says:

    @Farm Boy
    So is that the only difference between beta and alpha? Simply a diference of power?

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  51. Farm Boy says:

    So is that the only difference between beta and alpha? Simply a difference of power?

    It is a significant difference. Please read here.

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  52. Farm Boy says:

    And also read this,

    As for dominant men, civilization does not need that many of them; as they tend to jockey among themselves for dominance (with no useful work being done).

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  53. Cill says:

    To clarify:

    FB doesn’t actually say the Alpha of today are “dominant men” in the old sense. In order to monopolize the breeding, the alpha of yesteryear had to be alpha among men.

    The Alpha of today are just a joke. They are not selected for their superior genes. They are men who persisted with scatty women until they acquired the experience that makes scatty women real easy. From my perspective, it’s a case of scatty on scatty. Today’s “alpha” fail with most men and with a lot women as well.

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  54. Farm Boy says:

    Yes, Cill hits it correctly.

    Most of today’s “alphas” are products of general economic prosperity. They would have died a cruel death in the long past, as they are really not competent at anything other than making women tingle. And you can’t eat tingles.

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  55. Cill says:

    “The basis of a future post it might be”
    Farm Boy spoke like Yoda there he did.
    Perhaps from over-exposure to Yodish he suffers.

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  56. Farm Boy says:

    Well, Yoda is so wise. I hang on every word he speaks.

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  57. Farm Boy says:

    Are there two broad types of women out there, as well? Your model works sufficiently for one type but not the other?

    It looks like you are thinking about it some. Perhaps you could write a post on it wand we all could figure it out together.

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  58. Cill says:

    Not by a rope, I hope…

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  59. Anon says:

    It doesnt make sense if it gives tingles then it should (probably)be a genetic fit mate. Or is the case that the markers that women are looking for now point to a diferent type of male that it did precivilization era.

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  60. Cill says:

    FB I needed to clarify that your model is not the one that’s so commonly bandied about on the net. I think men have been confused by the 20-80 preferences of women on the dating sites. I don’t see those preferences translating to what happens on the ground. There’s many a slip twixt the cup and the lip. In the reality I see, men who are married or in LTR are almost all Beta. I see non-solo mums preferring the productive Beta for breeding.

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  61. Cill says:

    Anon, I have friends who learned “game”. I have observed them in action. It’s hilarious to watch! These are blokes who in the past had no success with women. After learning how it’s supposed to work, they went out and tried to put it into practice. They took a hell of a lot of knock-backs, but got there in the end. It’s more to do with behavior than genetic fit.

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  62. Farm Boy says:

    There are many behaviors that were once useful, but have become counterproductive in the modern economically successful world. For example,the strong desire to eat carbohydrates. When one is just above starvation, eating carbs is a great thing. When one is a land whale, not so much.

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  63. Cill says:

    lol
    Where do you get this stuff, FB?

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  64. Farm Boy says:

    Where is our patriarch?

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  65. Spawny Get says:

    Where did you get this stuff, FB?

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  66. Yoda says:

    Patriarch at last be appears.

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  67. Liz says:

    “Where did you get this stuff, FB?”

    You haven’t heard of ‘thingsiliftwithmyvagina.com’?
    That’s unbelieveable! The benefits are so….widespread! (*cough*)

    More seriously…I have no idea if that dot com address is real, but someone ought to snag it soon if it isn’t. I smell a profit opportunity! (*cough*)

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  68. Spawny Get says:

    Patriarch? Now that’s respect!

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  69. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy at 7:40pm,
    That is not that “the end is near”. That is a blatant, in your face manifestation of narcissism. Tara Palmatier explains it better.

    What is beginning to make itself appearant, is that nacissism is reaching impossibly toxic levels.

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  70. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I have to thank Maeve for pointing that out to me.

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  71. Yoda says:

    Jedi mind tricks I do play on Farm Boy.
    Plant ideas like this in his head I do.
    Much time on Degoba to search for silliness I do have.

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  72. Yoda says:

    Internet connection here in Degoba very fine it is.

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  73. Yoda says:

    Degoba — MGTOW paradise it is.

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  74. Yoda says:

    I smell a profit opportunity!

    Smell a profit opportunity in vaginas you do?

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  75. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Not quite MGTOW paradise. I seem to remember Luke banging his head on low ceilings.
    Even more restrictive for bears this would be.

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  76. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I just got through watching that speech from Tara Palmatier that I linked. I liked it better this time than the first time. In it, she makes no mention of alpha/beta, she accuses women of being more susceptible to narcissism. That may be the bulk of it right there.

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  77. What if he invited the Betas there and told them that Russian women are not going to treat them as American women would? Keep in mind that in Russia, Belorussia, and the Ukraine, there are about 86 men for every 100 women.

    That will never happen because Putin would be shooting himself in the foot if he did that. It would involve importing a large number of men who would not tolerate the current level of corruption in Russian governance. Even in an alternate universe where Putin wanted less corruption, he would be deposed by the oligarchs before this would get off the ground. Putin has no interest in helping you.

    Putting aside Putin, there isn’t as many women of appropriate age in the FSU as you think. Sure the there are more men than women, but a lot of that is driven by men dying significantly earlier than women but late enough so that the low male to female ratio is driven by people over 50. Even if Russia has a lot of GILFs, there is no reason for men to migrate for that.

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  78. I had a conversation with a man (I think on Private Man’s blog) who helped a woman who was being harassed outside of a bar by her date. I told him that was a brave and kind thing to do, but many of the other (male) commenters said he was incredibly “beta” for not getting her number afterwards. All I could think was how awkward that would be.

    “Hey chica, I just stopped your douche of a date from abusing you. I’ll pick you up at 7 tomorrow.”

    What that man should have done was not help that woman at all. Helping women is a case of no good deed goes unpunished for men. Most of the time trying to help a woman who is in that situation will just get her and her boyfriend/date to start abusing you.

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  79. Yoda says:

    Most of the time trying to help a woman who is in that situation will just get her and her boyfriend/date to start abusing you.

    Dominance many women do like.
    Abuse apex of dominance it is.
    This many women do believe.

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  80. Tarnished says:

    Sorry, BP.
    I do understand where you’re coming from, but once we lose all sense of empathy for others, we’re pretty much dead as a species. I believe in helping anyone who needs help, regardless of sex, religion, age, color, etc.

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  81. Yoda says:

    Are there two broad types of women out there, as well?

    Perhaps women Future Time Orienataion they do have.
    And ones that have it not.

    Or,

    Sluts.
    Sluts not.

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  82. Yoda says:

    but once we lose all sense of empathy for others, we’re pretty much dead as a species.

    Coming soon this is.

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  83. Yoda says:

    Help she did want?

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  84. Cill says:

    “Sluts.
    Sluts not.”
    I have done my countrywoman a grave disservice with “PPP”. Should I fix this by marrying one?

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  85. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    Think of what you have done for your country’s tourism. Naive men from around the world will come to your cities to visit nightclubs where thirsty women approach men aggressively.

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  86. Yoda says:

    Disservice what would it be?

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  87. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    In your Mom’s time, I don’t think women would have considered punching above their weight class. That would not have led to a secure long term relationship.
    Now that women can consider short term, they are punching out of their class which won’t work long term.
    The problem is that they are all doing it and it only works for a handful.
    I have no idea how to resolve this.

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  88. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Black Pill,
    I wish that Putin would say it, if only to embarrass those in government who collude with feminists.
    As for corruption over there, that has been going since Peter the Great.

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  89. Tarnished says:

    Yoda,
    The woman in the dude’s story? Yes, she did want help.

    Cill,
    There’s two types of women: Princesses and Peasants. The princesses you’ve already covered in great detail. The peasants are ones who understand the value of good men, hard work, loyalty, honesty, and either egalitarian or truly complementary relationships.

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  90. Tarnished says:

    Vaginal “lifting”?
    Wtf…are regular Kegel exercises not enough anymore? 😕

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  91. Cill says:

    “There’s two types of women”
    A post on it I shall do.
    Yodish overcoming me too, it is.
    Overcoming as in Tingles it is not.

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  92. I do understand where you’re coming from, but once we lose all sense of empathy for others, we’re pretty much dead as a species.

    There’s no point in having empathy for someone who would stab you in the back…or front.

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  93. Black Pill,
    I wish that Putin would say it, if only to embarrass those in government who collude with feminists.

    The problem is that Putin is not opposed to feminism. If he does any token opposition to feminism, it’s because he thinks feminism is an American/Western invention. Thus, Putin will never deliver what you want.

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  94. Spawny Get says:

    The biggest mistake men make, imho, is to believe that women care about men as a group. I don’t believe that they do. Until we see empathy for men from women I think men need to just return the indifference that is shown to them. No need for hate, just cold indifference.

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  95. tamerlame says:

    No such thing as Alpha and Beta.

    Human social dominance is too complex to be defined, and the false Alpha and Beta dicotomy comes no were near close to defining how the male dominance hierarchy works.

    Alpha and Beta is far too situational. Walking druggie skeletons can be rockstars, they would be considered sub-human omega trash by most women in other situations. Yet in the right social situations, they get more pussy in one day, than a lot of men get in a life time.

    Lets ignore the fact, the term Alpha and Beta was stolen from animal studies, and used by PUA con men okay?

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  96. Tarnished says:

    Spawny and BP,

    I agree that women as a group don’t care about men as a group, and I’m not saying this is good or justified or fair. It absolutely isn’t, and men as a group shouldn’t feel like they *must* care about women as a group until things change.

    But what about individual situations? Should a woman just walk by a man getting hit by his wife in public? People who are being discriminated against for no good reason? Should a man simply shrug and keep walking if he sees a woman being slapped around by her boyfriend? There has to be some point where our conscience shakes us and says “Help Stop This!”. When we witnesses something wrong or discriminatory, and every fiber of our being flares up with righteous indignation, giving us the ability to speak out.

    Isn’t there?

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  97. Yoda says:

    No such thing as Alpha and Beta

    Models they are.
    How well they work in real life they do?
    Describe it sufficiently to make predictions do they?

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  98. […] early it should be).  And if not, then she still has her affirmative action job and/or a hapless beta to fall back […]

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