An Open Letter to Cill

Based on Cill’s reporting from New Zealand, the societal relationships between men and women have perhaps reached a state of dysfunction greater there than anywhere else.   This situation is utterly fascinating.  It probably would be truly useful to explore this further, as it may point to the future of other societies; and more importantly, lead to insights as to how problems could be avoided.  So I think that I speak for most here is asking you to write posts about “how we got here” as well as the various aspects of how it manifests itself.  Maybe this could be an ongoing series, perhaps Lessons From the Kiwis or something more colorful.  In closing, I believe that this would be a great service for all.


Farm Boy

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42 comments on “An Open Letter to Cill
  1. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    That has to be the shortest comment I have seen, ever.

    Farm Boy,
    New Zealand is different. While women have over twenty lifetime partners and men over sixteen, this is way over the worldwide average and unusual in that women have more than men. My understand is that it all has to to do with bars and clubs.
    As a counterpoint, allow me to submit this. It a young man’s first impression of a Vancouver BC nightclub. Not what I would call a practical meet market.


  2. Farm Boy says:

    New Zealand is different.

    That is what we want to find out about.

    Perhaps Moe, Molly and Padawan could contribute also.


  3. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Are you up for it? You have to have some good sources.


  4. molly says:

    I chatted with Cill before commenting. He’s now out checking the forest, like most days. I’m dyslexic and always have to re-word my comments yet never “say” what I want to. This comment is the most rehashed I’ve ever done!

    There are no stats on NZ men who want to stay out of dating and the SMP and MMP. For want of a better “word”, I’ll call them “NZ MGTOW”. Cill would post more if he could “produce independent stats” on these NZ MGTOW, the “crucial dynamic”.

    He needs to feel free to draw from his own experience, like he did for the PPP post. He can write as a man of vast experience in the subject, a keen observer. That’s the way to get the best out of him. Just think: probably no-one in the world can tell us more about it than he can! There. I said it!


  5. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    We’re sure that Cill will give us the benefit of his experience. I was hoping that you you could relate some stories that you have heard to provide a woman’s viewpoint.
    What men and women see and feel can b very different.


  6. molly says:

    Yes I will try! 🙂
    Some of it is so depressing tho. 😦


  7. molly says:

    “We’re sure that Cill will give us the benefit of his experience.”
    I’d sure love to share with you some tales of his past*, even if he doesn’t! 🙂
    (*with his permission)


  8. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I’ll look forward to i tomorrow! Good night! 🐻 :snooze:


  9. molly says:

    🐻 is asleep, 2 round ears on the pillow… shhh…


  10. Cill says:

    Farm Boy, you’ve set me thinking. When I probed for interest in the subject in the past, I got none to speak of. The subject (NZ as a bizarre social experiment) hasn’t changed. Perhaps it is the world outside NZ that has changed, in the space of 3 to 4 months.


  11. Cill says:

    I should add that Spawny and Tarn, in private, had recently set me thinking on the subject as well.


  12. Spawny Get says:

    I’ve always been interested in the NZ experience because what I’ve heard anecdotally is that the faux-marriage (cohabitation for a couple of years makes a de-jure marriage) and divorce laws in NZ are appalling.

    The feral packs of women are just amusing (from 13 timezones away)


  13. Yoda says:

    When I probed for interest in the subject in the past, I got none to speak of.

    Perhaps people did understand the situation it was.
    Kiwi bird in the coal mine of four horsemen of the Apocalypse it would be.

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  14. Cill says:

    Gay bar in Australia wins right to ban ‘predatory’ women:

    Liked by 1 person

  15. I am curious how the nz smp culture got that way too. Is the demographic fairly young in nz? I was wondering if its a “baby boom coming of age” thing or??? That’s when the apple cart got upended in the US anyway. Looking forward to learning more!

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  16. Yoda says:

    The feral packs of women

    Packs they do form
    Bitches thus they would be.


  17. Cill says:

    Farm Boy, Fuzzy, anyone,

    Can somebody help me by researching the accuracy of the info given in this video:


  18. Cill says:

    This link will get to the site itself (comments etc). Hope this works:


    Paste it into a browser (without the quotes).


  19. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I woud look forward to Farm Boy’s insight. In the meanwhile, a lot of what she has to say makes sense, whether or not it’s accepted by modern medicine is another matter and may be subject to political correctness.That this is a Catholic prouction lends credibility, a lot of clergy are widely cross trained. This could have been reviewed by medical experts.

    I enjoyed your link about the NZ gay bar wanting legal relief from predatory women.


  20. Tarnished says:

    Cill @ 7:10,

    This woman is using something only very recently discovered in fruit flies and saying it’s been found in humans, which is incorrect. It’s called telegony, and has been observed under laboratory conditions with fruit flies but only since 1 study performed in 2013-2014 (can’t find a definitive date).

    It’s important to note that there’s a plethora of physiological differences between us and such miniscule insects, including the fact that human females have a menstrual cycle and these flies do not. During this time, blood, unfertilized eggs, and the prepared uterine lining is flushed out each month. Even if a male’s semen stayed in a female uterus for a week after sex, I don’t see any way for it to remain past her next cycle. We do absorb some amounts of seminal fluid through our nether mucous membranes, but these are just sugars and the like (as far as I can tell) and would be used by our bodies the same way if we received them vaginally, orally, or anally. Likewise, a man who goes down on a woman ingests some amount of her fluids…so his body breaks that down too.

    As for her other claim, it’s partially true. The pH balance of the vagina (acidity pH)can be changed by the presence of semen (alkaline pH) but this is not a problem for most women. I have personally known of one couple in high school where her body just couldn’t deal with his cum, even after 2 years…she’d have odor and pain without condom sex. This happens rarely though, because most vaginas and most semen have similar pH’s, so one is very much like another.

    Hope this helps, it’s just what I learned in Human Sexuality 101 and 102, plus a little outside research.

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  21. Tarnished says:

    Hooray, pseudo-science!

    Liked by 1 person

  22. Cill says:

    Thanks Tarn. I really appreciate the help. There’s so much info, it’s going to take me forever…
    Teamwork, pal. 😉

    Liked by 1 person

  23. Tarnished says:

    No problem, Cill.
    In case you haven’t noticed, sex…as a concept, action, a type of bonding, and biological imperative…interests me to no end. I enjoy researching new things about it. We still have a lot to learn!


  24. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Minisrty of Silly Ideas, indeed!
    One part concerned me. Are women getting aggressive on trains after the pubs close? If so, this saw cuts both ways.


  25. Cill says:

    Farm boy, I’ve drafted a post. I’ll sit on it for a day or two while the current posts run their course.

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  26. Tarnished says:

    Huzzah, more Cilly wisdom is right around the corner!

    Liked by 2 people

  27. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Just when you thought you had heard it all…
    A sperm bank is broken into. A woman gets pregnant. A donor is court ordered to pay child support. If Paul Elam keeps his word and Posts a link, I’ll repost it. Coming from him, it’s creible.

    She actually claimed to be mentally ill? I saw something last night on youtube that made suspect as much about Naomi Wolf. How many more of these harridans are dealing wih decks a few cards short?


  28. Farm Boy says:

    Farm boy, I’ve drafted a post. I’ll sit on it for a day or two while the current posts run their course.

    Actually I had some ideas to get you started. I was going to post them tomorrow. Perhaps I do not need to.



  29. Farm Boy says:

    She actually claimed to be mentally ill?

    This would make her a victim, with all of the rights and privileges such status entails.


  30. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn, did you say “Huzzah!”?
    Where are they from> Husaria. The Polish-Lithuanian Confederacy.
    What are they? Winged Hussars.
    What do they say? Huzzah!

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  31. Tarnished says:

    About 30% of American women take prescription medications for mental disorders, compared to about 16% of men, last I read. Now, this gap is almost certainly due in part to the fact that women go to the doctor more and aren’t told to “suck it up” as much as men…but it still shows an unhealthy reliance on antidepressants/antipsychotics to “fix” one’s problems.


  32. Tarnished says:

    And there was much rejoicing. Yay…


  33. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s a bonanza for the drug companies. However, claiming to be mentally ill does little to inspire credibility.

    Liked by 1 person

  34. Cill says:

    Farm Boy “Actually I had some ideas to get you started”
    I’d like to see them. Thanks.

    Liked by 1 person

  35. Tarnished says:

    Couldn’t agree more.

    More interesting facts about pregnancy, paternity, and genetics.

    Twins with different dads:

    Probable explanation for microchimerism (random Y chromosomes found in a small percentage of women):

    Babies with same parents but look like different ethic backgrounds:

    Isn’t genetics great? 😀


  36. Farm Boy says:

    New post up.

    I’d like to see them. Thanks.

    I will write them up


  37. Cill says:

    “Isn’t genetics great?”
    Fact is stranger than fiction, is all I can say.
    A wealth of info there, Tarn 🙂

    Liked by 1 person

  38. Tarnished says:


    Did you not want the ability to comment on your most recent post? Or did wordpress mess up? It’s easily fixable if need be.


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