The Red Pill Classroom — The Rationalization Hamster

As mentioned previously, there is often a large difference between how women describe themselves and their how their actual behavior plays out.  Women themselves sense this discrepancy, are made uneasy, and are compelled to find a coping mechanism.  This often utilizes some type of rationalization.  Usually this rationalization starts with a small kernel of truth, upon with each step in the deduction, the chasm between reality and their “truth” widens.  Since no step in the thought process is clearly incorrect, then the result is obviously totally correct (or so they rationalize).  This thought process requires much effort, and as a result the caricature of it is a hamster running furiously on his/her spinning wheel inside a woman’s head.

This imagery captures the situation well.

Commenters please feel free to add examples of rationalization hamsters in action.


I did not have any pictures of hamsters in my collection, so I am going with a bison.

P.S.  It should be noted that men do rationalization also.  However, it is much more likely that another fella will call him on it.  Women on the other hand tend to amplify each other’s rationalizations.

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91 comments on “The Red Pill Classroom — The Rationalization Hamster
  1. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Drum roll, please.

    Liked by 3 people

  2. Tarnished says:

    You know what is even more fun than watching normal men and women rationalize?

    Watching politicians and preachers do the exact same thing. 😀 😛

    Liked by 1 person

  3. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    That all depends on what your definition of the word “is” is. -Bill Clinton

    Years later, I heard that Jimmy Carter had a Sunday School. I could imagine him giving instruction to ex-Presidents.
    ” Now, Bill, don’t wag your finger. Everybody knows that when you do, you’re telling a whopper.”

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  4. molly says:

    Hahahahaha! 🐻 Good one Fuzzie! 😀
    That’s worth at least one 🌯


  5. Yoda says:

    Jedi mind tricks work on rationalization hamsters they do?


  6. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly, tht was a good 🌯 . May I have another?

    For a mind trick to work on a hamster, the hamster would have to comprehend your intentions. Carots may help.


  7. Cill says:

    If carrots work for hamsters, how about marmite snifters for women?
    (next best thing to tingles, I reckon)


  8. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Marmite in snifters? That’s horrible! Daffy Duck has two choice words for that idea,
    “You’re despicable!”


  9. molly says:

    Tarn, he is a “terrible” mgtow, he matchmakers Cill with my friend!
    Will Cill the great Iceman MGHOW be wed?
    Go Fuzzie I say! Much entertain! 😀


  10. molly says:

    Oops I put it on the wrong thread 😦


  11. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly, it’s Ok. Bear found it. 🐻 🙂
    My suggestion is to go out and see a movie, have dinner.


  12. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, I think you might be confusing “Marmite snifters for men” with “Marmite snifters for women”. Have you tried Marmite snifters for women? They are far superior to the crap they ram down our throats. BUT you have to be an honorary female, you have to white-knight the living crap out of yourself, before you can stomach them.
    Muahahaha! XD


  13. Cill says:

    Farm Boy “there is often a large difference between how women describe themselves and their how their actual behavior plays out. Women themselves sense this discrepancy, are made uneasy, and are compelled to find a coping mechanism.”

    If women are too egocentric to sense the discrepancy, there’s no need for a coping mechanism. The “rationalization” might instead be a process of establishing group consensus.


  14. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    In reference to your last comment, what was it the old cowboy would say? We need a shovel, it’s getting deep in here.
    One of these days, i will have to try some of this marmite. I’m sur it’s as awful as people say but, on paper, it looks like the most nutritious stuff ever concieved that has no meat in it.


  15. Cill says:

    To Fuzzy and all ye of open minds: NZ Sanitarium Marmite is delicious and nutritious! Judge not until ye hath partaken and benefited from the rewards thereof!


  16. Spawny Get says:

    “benefited from the rewards thereof!”

    Yeah, Marmite and Liquorice Allsorts share a common benefit. If you womit after eating them you’ll find they taste exactly the same on the way back up as they did on the way down.

    The latter fact was established by me on a dive trip where I’d broken my fast on the Allsorts…it got wery wuff out there.

    The former (marmite) is based on the scientific certainty that it couldn’t taste any worse on the return trip than it does on arrival.

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  17. Spawny Get says:

    I’ve seen speculation that the rationalisation hamster occurs in both sexes, but the wiring of female brain (increased side to side and decreased between the layers of the brain) leave it more work to do than in males.

    Basically, the theory I saw was that the lower levels of the brain decide things (emotion) and leave the upper layers the problem of rationalising ‘why’ the emotions are being felt. Males, it is said, have better communication up and down the brain’s layers, giving the upper layers more data to work on. Female higher layers just have to make more shit up (not technically speaking, a direct quote there).


  18. Cill says:

    “The former (marmite) is based on the scientific certainty that it couldn’t taste any worse on the return trip than it does on arrival.”

    Well you must admit that you don’t gain weight, and it’s easy on the budget. However, the puking option tends to be taken only by the the rip-shit-and-busters who layer the Marmite like highway bitumen onto their toast.

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  19. Spawny Get says:

    “who layer the Marmite like highway bitumen onto their toast.”

    indeedily, this is one of those cases where much, much less is morerer

    None being ideal…obviously


  20. Liz says:

    “This imagery captures the situation well.”

    I don’t know what you mean.
    Bison? What bison?
    All I see is a picturesque road, with grass and trees.
    Reminds me of a song I once heard. Home on the range, I believe….
    I think it was Paris, and I was in love.


  21. Yoda says:

    I don’t know what you mean.

    Hamster spinning that would be

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  22. Yoda says:

    I think it was Paris, and I was in love.

    A friend you for sure had.
    James Taylor friend to all he is.


  23. theasdgamer says:

    @ liz

    Maybe you heard the song by Pound Colon in a gay bar…”Homo deranged.” Nyuk, nyuk.


  24. theasdgamer says:

    Hamster Rationalizations:

    “I had sex, so he must love me.”

    “My friends thought that the guy I had sex with isn’t hawt enough, so he must have raped me.”

    “I had sex with 30 guys but only went on 3 dates with them. To count as dating, there must have been at least five dates, so I don’t need to count those guys in my N-count.”

    “I didn’t do PIV with 30 guys–only BJ’s–so I don’t need to count those 30 guys in my N-count.”

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  25. Spawny Get says:

    “All I see is a picturesque road, with grass and trees.”

    You’re moosing something pretty central to the image

    Liked by 1 person

  26. Liz says:

    “Hamster spinning that would be”

    Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner.
    Ba dum bump ching. 🙂


  27. Tarnished says:


    That’s an interesting question. What does count as increasing your N?

    If a man and woman perform oral on each other, but nothing else…do they each have another notch?

    If she strokes him off while he fingers her to orgasm…are they now 1 N higher?

    What if they give each other anal orgasms, but don’t involve their actual genitals at all?

    The sheer amount of human sexual interactions is huge, and different people might have different definitions of what raises their N.


  28. Yoda says:

    That’s an interesting question. What does count as increasing your N?

    Much opportunity for the hamster here there is.

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  29. Yoda says:

    If women are too egocentric to sense the discrepancy, there’s no need for a coping mechanism.

    Key to feminism’s goal to eliminate the hamster this may be.
    They are well on the path it would seem.


  30. Tarnished says:


    True. In my view, each of these would be sex. However, I’ve known guys in college who referred to themselves as “virgins” because they only had gotten blowjobs, and I’ve known girls in high school who considered themselves “virgins” because they only did anal sex.

    Peoples be weird.

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  31. Yoda says:

    I’ve known girls in high school who considered themselves “virgins” because they only did anal sex.

    Down the dark path they went.

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  32. Tarnished says:

    Lol. The “dark path”?


  33. Yoda says:

    Play “Brown Note” during activity one should.
    Hilarity ensue it will.


  34. Cill says:

    “What does count as increasing your N?”
    Perhaps Bill Clinton could advise.


  35. Cill says:

    Yoda at 17 January, 2015 at 5:06 pm: “Down the dark path they went.”
    Below the belt humor, it is.

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  36. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    I like the Licorice Allsorts container. 🐻 🙂

    I don’t think Bill Clintion would be the best person to ask on matters of integrity related to sex.


  37. Spawny Get says:

    He’s Bertie Bassett


  38. theasdgamer says:

    Tradesman’s Entrance, Back Door, Funkie Trunk


  39. theasdgamer says:

    I see that Yoda is also familiar with Tucker Max’s escapades. Maybe he was the hidden cameraman?


  40. theasdgamer says:

    Down the dark path they went.

    And led their beaus in the same path.


  41. Liz says:

    Servant’s entrance, brown eye…


  42. Spawny Get says:

    Just reading ChromeCommando’s psycho-analysis in the comments. I saw the original twat and doxxing last night.


  43. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Speaking of off topic, favorite cigars? Padron 5000’s for me.


  44. Yoda says:

    Discussion makes me think of this it does,


  45. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Also off topic, Spawny, the tension between MGTOW and duty/obligation. I get your objection to watering down the meaning of MGTOW, but I’m pretty sure that there’s a place for the idea of duty/obligation amonf MGTOW’s. What, then, is that place? Is it delimited by the target of that duty, or the motivations behind it?


  46. Tarnished says:


    It’s dangerous territory for discussion. A decent amount of mgtow have accused me of attempting to shame them due to my personal beliefs on duty and obligations.


  47. Tarnished says:

    Re: Target vs Motivations

    I’ve had it explained this way…

    A wealthy mgtow may have the sense of duty (aka motivation) to give back to his local community, and looks into giving a monthly donation to his city’s soup kitchen. However, it’s possible he’ll decide that doing so would aid a target he has no interest in helping, since his funding would provide for homeless women as well as men. So it would seem that for at least some mgtow, the target must align with the initial motivation.

    It’s similar to comment posters on AVFM who say on one post “domestic violence against men is terrible and horrific” but then on a separate post claim they wouldn’t lift a finger to help a woman in a similar situation.


  48. Spawny Get says:

    CP, aw man its nearly midnight! I’m going to be very careful who I support from day to day. Catch me at the right time in a genuinely unforeseeable bad situation…I have a horrible tendency to humanity. But if I think it’s your own stupid fault…hmmm

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  49. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Well, no one took me up on the cigar thing, so you only have yourself to blame. And if I may indulge my provencialism, get a REAL timezone. 😉

    Liked by 1 person

  50. Tarnished says:


    *sigh* Sorry, I’m very boring. I don’t smoke, do drugs, have any tattoos or piercings, and only have a single drink 2-4 times a month. I know nothing about cigars…


  51. Spawny Get says:

    Never smoked nuffin, guv.

    I’m in the Isle of Man timezone…how authentic can you get in the manosphere? Goodnight all.


  52. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Well, tarn, I’m of a mind that a duty or obligation should be freely embraced, so I don’t think shame has a place at that table. If you’re shamed into something, that’s outside of d/o. I suspect those waters run deep, though. Hence, my question.


  53. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Spawny, it’s provencialism. It doesn’t have to make sense. US Central was good enough for my granddaddy, and it’s good enough for me, by gum. None of your swish gmt for me and mine, thank you SO very much. Freakin’ redcoat.

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  54. Tarnished says:

    We’re of one mind in this, CP.

    If one is shamed into performing an action, one is not reacting to a sense of duty, but an external force. Duties and obligations are, imo, necessarily internally based.

    Example: I donate my time to the SPCA out of a sense of duty to my animal brethren. Likewise, I donate money to the Parsemus Foundation because I believe society (through individuals) has an obligation to create safe, effective male contraceptives.


  55. Tarnished says:

    Goodnight, Spawny.

    Liked by 1 person

  56. theasdgamer says:


    What’s your spectrum? Black/white only or do you allow gray?

    Example: Do you think that married people have a d/o to avoid all temptation to have an affair? Or are they allowed to go out and flirt?

    Is the temptation congruent for men and women?


  57. Cill says:

    What on earth are you lot talking about?


  58. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Cigars, Cill. Cigars. Jeez, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. You don’t need to make it complicated.

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  59. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    I think you have to allow gray, asd, or you end up in a cell keeping your hands where everyone can see them.

    However, the gray is not an excuse. Just a rounding error. IMO, anyway.


  60. Tarnished says:


    There’s definite grey areas.

    Imo, a spouse has a duty to not have an affair so long as the needs that would be met by said affair are already being taken care of.

    For example, if a man has a sexual affair since he’s desirous of sex/intimacy and his wife consistently refuses to acquiesce to his needs “just because”, then I think he’s justified in seeking it elsewhere.
    But if he’s getting sex 4x a week from his wife and bangs the office secretary because he “needs sex 5x a week”, then that shows a simple lack of control and disregard for his spouse.

    I am still naive when it comes to telling what is and isn’t flirting, but it seems generally harmless, so long as it’s not done in front of one’s husband/wife.


  61. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Did someone sat “Redcoats”?


  62. Cill says:

    It depends on whether I’ve made a deal with a woman. If we’ve made a deal I’ll stick to it as long as she hasn’t broken it. A cigar is a cigar. A deal is a deal. You don’t need to make it complicated.


  63. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    What is all this talk about cigars? If I had to guess, I don’t think that anyone here is that much into cigars, except for the exploding ones that we would hand to fembots.

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  64. Yoda says:

    But if he’s getting sex 4x a week from his wife and bangs the office secretary because he “needs sex 5x a week”

    A planet such as this exists not.
    Know I do.


  65. Tarnished says:

    Some aliens are spending time on our planet for their honeymoons, but they all leave by the time they’re 25. 😛

    Were that my FwB and I had more flexible schedules and lived closer together, we’d have sex 3-4x a week instead of just 1x a week…


  66. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    I am still naive when it comes to telling what is and isn’t flirting, but it seems generally harmless, so long as it’s not done in front of one’s husband/wife.

    I think that the woman shouldn’t flirt in front of the man, but the other way around is fine. Sure, it’s “unfair”, but men and women’s sexual strategies and attractions aren’t congruent. Practicality is important here, not fairness. It would be unfair to give women an unfair advantage by allowing their sexual strategies to progress unchecked while hobbling the sexual strategies of men. The woman’s hypergamous impulse is activated when her man flirts. She wants to protect her territory. Otoh, he isn’t hypergamous, so what is activated for the man is simple jealousy when his woman flirts. Merely emotional pain for him. Not a good plan.

    I have a whole spergy theory on gradations of flirting.

    G — smiles & friendly, asexual convo

    PG — smirks, winks, blowing kisses, sexual convo, strong hugs and kisses on the cheek by a woman

    PG13 — asking a woman out to your vehicle or to go for a walk; woman jumps up and hugs a man with her legs; brief kisses on the mouth; hanging out in the kiss zone; boob and @$$ brushes by either man or woman; swats on the @$$; brief, playful @$$ grabbing

    R — serious boob and @$$ grabbing outside the clothes; grabbing the d1ck; frenching and grinding

    X — clothes stay on but hands go underneath


  67. Tarnished says:

    Well, you already know how I personally feel about such double standards so I won’t go into that.

    But if I was in a relationship with anyone…man or woman…and their “flirting” went above what you label as PG? They either have to have a damn good reason for allowing/partaking of such actions, or they can go find a new relationship with someone else. The only possible exceptions are going for a walk, going to a movie/dinner, or driving around with an opposite sex long-time friend or someone I *know* they are sleeping with. Polyamory is absolutely acceptable to me if everyone involved knows about it and is STD free.

    So hypothetically, if my FwB was heavy flirting with his other lover in front of me, I’d be okay with it and perhaps even encourage it, same as he’d do for me. If some random slut came up and started grinding on him or grabbing his ass? Nope. Not gonna fly with me, chicky. Back away slowly or you’re losing a hand.


  68. Cill says:


    Good list! 😉 I’m trying to decide which level of experience I fit into. It’s somewhere around PG13 or R. Where do grabbing of butt or groping of genitals fit in? The former happens in the street.

    The groping of genitals can be:
    – a hand under a table.
    – a hand under a book or article of clothing held by a stranger who has sat beside me.
    – a hand under nothing at all – i.e. visible for all to see.
    – the hand of a stranger behind me caressing between my legs in a crowded bar.
    – the hand of a stranger in front of me as her other hand grabs my shirt and pulls us roughly together.
    – the hand of a stranger who simultaneously comes out with a comment such as “Show or pay!” (for drinks).

    I’m not sure I’d call this flirting. I don’t really receive it as flirts. Your list is relevant to it though.

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  69. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    Well, you already know how I personally feel about such double standards so I won’t go into that.

    Yeah, biology should just roll over and get in line with your INTJish expectations. 🙂

    See, you have shown that you can manage your hypergamy. As long as you don’t fear losing him, no problem. You can share.

    Men spin plates. Women change to better plate-spinners. That’s the diff between men’s and women’s sexual strategies.

    Funny story about swats. A friend and I were walking towards our seats after I had tried to sell him tickets to watching a couple of lesbians making out on the dance floor. (My coat ended up missing and the lesbians were likely part of a theft ring where they were distractions.) Anyway, I was walking behind my friend and he suddenly swatted a woman on the @$$ and hurriedly walked on. I stopped, amazed. She swatted my @$$. Turns out that the woman had first swatted my friend on the @$$ as he walked past going to get drinks and he was returning the favor and pinning it on me. Just a joke and not serious flirting.


  70. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda at 1:31pm,
    After reading that, the thought struck me, to qualify as news, does a wife have to cut a man’s penis off twice in a day?
    The last report that I read along this line was from Scarecrow and it was about an ethnic Chinese couple in Australia. She was slow in calling the ambulance. He died at the hospital. I think that she got time served and six months.


  71. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    I consider all those items in your list to be flirting.

    I got quite a few passionate hugs last night and a few boob grazes, but that’s it. Occasionally a peck on the cheek. Sometimes an @$$ will settle into my front or the back of a hand will graze my @$$.

    I danced a lot with one 25 yo pretty brunette who gave me many hugs; well-endowed and enjoyable. However, she is best friends with the daughter of a man in my social circle. She was in a fantasy at the time. Too bad her best friend (BF) burst her bubble last night. BF could have waited a couple of days, but she was concerned about c0ck-blocking. BF tried to steer the brunette to dance with her dad and with another male friend, but the brunette wailed, “I want to dance with him” as she circled away from BF. It was a lot of fun last night.


  72. Tarnished says:

    Um, no. Biology shouldn’t “just roll over”. Life doesn’t work that way.
    However, if a woman shouldn’t flirt in front of her husband because it causes him emotional pain then the same should hold true for him since it hurts her as well. Making your spouse jealous and hurt is a revolting thing to do, no matter what. If a man or woman want to prove they have no qualms with hurting the person they supposedly love, then that’s on them.

    And what’s this crap about “controlling my hypergamy”? I’m not female-minded. I don’t have hypergamy. I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic (in which case it’s not coming through well) or if you’re just trying to force me into your beliefs about female-bodied people (in which case you’re just wrong), but it’s no very conducive to open conversation.

    The fact that both my FwB and I would be fine with each other taking on another lover is not indicative of “controlled hypergamy” or “plate spinning”. It’s indicative of our maturity as sexually responsible adults that we acknowledge monogamy isn’t for everyone, and that we don’t own each other. As it is, we’ve been sexually monogamous for 8 years, so again…all of these are hypotheticals. I’m fine sharing him, he’s fine sharing me. If we wanted to do anything about it, we’d just have to be open and communicate honestly about our expectations and needs.

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  73. Cill says:

    To all men and women here:

    What do you think about this scenario:

    You are wearing suit and tie on your way to a friend’s wedding, to be his Best Man. A van stops beside you in the street. Seven young women pile out of it and surround you. You keep walking, which necessitates bumping against them. They ask you to go with them in the van. You say, “I have to be somewhere else. Maybe another time.”

    They close in. You attempt to cross the street to evade them. Everywhere you turn they stand in your way. They are enjoying it and expect you to be enjoying it too. You manage to get a glimpse of your watch. You’re going to be late. CCTV cameras are on you. If you manhandle them you’ll be done for assault or worse. Their hands are all over you now. They are laughing and smiling and stretching up to kiss your face. They start to pull you towards their van. You try to fall down but there are so many of them they appear not to notice and hold you upright and moving toward their van. No-one takes you seriously when you protest loudly.

    How would you handle it?


  74. theasdgamer says:

    @ Tarn

    However, if a woman shouldn’t flirt in front of her husband because it causes him emotional pain then the same should hold true for him since it hurts her as well.

    I’ve already answered this.

    And what’s this crap about “controlling my hypergamy”? I’m not female-minded. I don’t have hypergamy.

    Not trying to offend. Can you take some outside, objective analysis? If you’re feminine-minded, likely not. My hypotheses follow.

    Your cortex might be masculine, but your amygdala is necessarily feminine. Do you want to spin multiple plates? No. Hence, your amygdala is feminine. You mateguard yourself to limit your hypergamy.

    Your FWB either has few options or oxytocin has caused bonding (or maybe he hides his plate-spinning from you).


  75. theasdgamer says:

    @ Cill

    Why is this even a question? Let them handle “it”. Even being autistic, this otherworldly scenario would not be a problem for me.


  76. Cill says:

    FWIW I’ve put it in a new post

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  77. Tarnished says:

    Wrong again. I don’t “mateguard” myself to limit my N. It’s because I’m still dealing with my fear of touch by new people. I do hope to one day have numerous sexual partners, but I’m not going to mentally harm myself to do so. I’m in no rush to experience flashbacks, thank you.

    I don’t know if my FwB has few options. I think he’s good looking, but he is nearly 50, fairly overweight, and has little disposable income. That’s why I pay for all our outings, meals, and entertainment. He also hadn’t had sex for 6 months when I met him, so I don’t know why he wouldn’t have had a partner.

    If I was in your shoes, male and all, I’d slap one of them. Yes, I recognize that it may get you in trouble and the cops may be called. On the other hand, it might make them realize you’re not fucking around.
    If this seems harsh to you, then I’d say yell over to any passerby to call the police, or maybe even get feral and literally growl in their faces.

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  78. Sumo says:

    in a scenario like that, Tarn, asking someone to call the police would be useless. Who amongst the general Blue Pill population is actually going to think that a group of little girls poses any sort of a threat?

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  79. Tarnished says:

    Then I’m falling back on growling like a deranged tiger.

    I’m incredibly sympathetic to the fact this happened to you. Frickin’ bitch slut whore mongers…

    Nothing against legitimate sex workers, of course. 😉

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