No anonymity for the falsely accused


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Men wrongly accused of rape mustn’t be granted anonymity

All the standard lies on offer

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155 comments on “No anonymity for the falsely accused
  1. Yoda says:

    There is a scandal around rape in this country. But it isn’t about a handful of men who have been wrongly accused, no matter how justifiably angry they are. Compared to the number of cases that never see the light of day, their experience is, I’m afraid, a drop in the ocean.

    Stupid argument this is.
    Blind to their own stupidity women are.
    Vote they should not.

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  2. Yoda says:

    The truth is that our criminal justice system is failing to protect victims.

    In the future all women victims they will be.

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  3. Yoda says:

    Odd that it an either
    /or decision she does consider.

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  4. Spawny Get says:

    So blinded by her bigotry, she can no longer recognise injustice toward men. She absolutely cannot see past her hatred of men.

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  5. Spawny Get says:

    “By Joan Smith, Chair of the Mayor of London’s Violence Against Women and Girls Panel”

    If this misandric bigot is a Boris appointee then we can clearly see how fucked the Tory party is for the next leadership elections. He intends to stand to replace Camoron.

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  6. Tarnished says:

    I don’t know the exact laws in other countries, but I’m fairly confident that “Innocent till Proven Guilty” is the standard in most jurisdictions. This is nearly as bad as the disgusting remarks that Marcotte had for the Duke Lacrosse players who were falsely accused and had the majority of the American press against them from the start. Thank the Gods that justice was found and they weren’t sent to prison for the “crime” of having a penis.

    When feminists are allowed to say that questioning the alleged victim is “calling her* a liar” and that prosecutors needing to provide evidence is “giving rapists too much leeway”, we can see just how far our justice system has fallen. Oh wait…it’s already there.

    *Notice how the majority of rape victims are usually assumed to be women and the rapists are men. What would happen if the tables were turned and a man wanted his alleged female rapist’s name splashed across the papers?

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  7. Tarnished says:

    Yoda,

    I don’t agree with taking away my right to vote simply for an accident of birth. What should happen is a mandatory test proving an ability to be rational and make decisions based on facts rather than emotional responses.

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  8. Cill says:

    The fembot says: “There is a scandal around rape in this country. But it isn’t about a handful of men who have been wrongly accused, no matter how justifiably angry they are. Compared to the number of cases that never see the light of day, their experience is, I’m afraid, a drop in the ocean.”

    Fembots repeatedly make statements to this effect. The following link is well known here, but as it’s one of the most informative regarding false accusations of rape, it’s worth revisiting:
    http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/avfms-mega-post-10-reasons-false-rape-accusations-are-common/

    Given the inherent flaws in measuring criminological behavior, the rate of false rape accusations cannot be dictated by any individual criterion. Instead it must be triangulated by multiple factors

    Consider the words of veteran sex-crimes prosecutor Craig Silverman:
    ‘For 16 years, I was a kickass prosecutor who made most of my reputation vigorously prosecuting rapists… Any honest veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one of the most falsely reported crimes that there is. A command officer in the Denver Police sex assaults unit recently told me he placed the false rape numbers at approximately 45 percent. Objective studies have confirmed this. See Purdue Professor Kanin’s nine-year study published in 1994 concluding that over 40 percent of rape allegations were demonstrably false.’

    After a woman falsely accused a man of rape in Orlando, FL, police told local news reporters that false reporting ‘has reached an epidemic level’. They then made a point to ask the community stop making so many false rape claims because it was draining precious resources from the criminal justice system.

    Speaking to the Warrington Guardian, detective Dougie Shaw said:
    ‘We have anything up to four or five reports of rape every weekend but a large number of complaints turn out to be something else with some not thinking about the consequences of false allegations… We actually have significantly less genuine rape cases than those reported.'”

    The article quotes many other law enforcement officers to the same or similar effect.

    “Rape claims are made for a much wider variety of reasons than false accusations of other crimes… Accusing someone of rape claims require virtually no physical evidence. For this reason rape lies can be flung about for all sorts of reasons.”

    The article goes on to give many examples of real rape lies.

    “False rape accusations are rarely punished, removing the deterrent to falsely accuse… The absence of law and law enforcement tends to embolden the corrupt and corrupt the good… Even in cases that receive a high degree of public outcry false accusers are not charged.”

    Many more real life examples are given.

    “Numerous studies have concluded that false rape accusations are significantly higher than false accusations of other crimes.”

    Dr. Eugene Kanin authored a study on the prevalence of false rape accusations which concluded that 41% were false.

    “Dr. Charles McDowell investigated false claims in the military… 60% of all allegations were found to be false.”

    The article discusses the fembots’ claim that false accusations are 2% of total accusations:
    “The ‘scholarship’ that ‘proves’ false rape accusations are around 2% is little more than intellectual fraud and not based on any real investigation at all

    As Edward Greer, J.D., states in the Loyola of Los Angeles Law Review, ‘no study has ever been published which sets forth an evidentiary basis for the “two percent false rape complaint” thesis,’ and that ‘without exception every scholarly or semi-scholarly source that utilizes the two percent false claim proposition can ultimately be traced back to Against Our Will.’

    Against Our Will is a book on rape by Feminist Susan Brownmiller that was published in the 1970s. Brownmiller claims that she was given the figure by a professional in the criminal justice system. We are given no evidence other than her word that this was ever the case.”

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  9. Spawny Get says:

    On a lighter note, this article about women invading the male sport of darts.

    The article, in the wimminz section of the paper, has had its comment section invaded by menz.

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  10. Yoda says:

    Grievances she must create or job she will not have

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  11. Liz says:

    I don’t do darts, but I’m something of a shark at shuffleboard tables. 🙂

    Per the topic:
    Well, you know, it’s not like a rape accusation is going to effect anyone in any way, right? Interesting how these cases go…first, the accused is named, publicly. Then, accuser’s identity is protected. If and when the charges are dropped it’s filed into the ‘lack of evidence’ category and the accuser’s identity remains protected, along with all personal information relevant to exoneration.
    For example: Accuser passed out with blood alcohol level three times the legal limit combined with psych drugs after locking herself in the bathroom with no one present and video evidence she was entirely alone in the room.
    Or….
    Accuser recorded on phone conversation indicating she “just wanted to get back at her husband and the sex was great”
    Or….
    Accuser admits to giving the man a twenty minute rim job prior but accused him of rape because he “convinced her to have sex with him” (and, well, her husband found out…and, oh yeah, she was texting all about it to her gf at the time).

    These (and much much more) are actual cases. I know a guy who had to move to the UAE for a year to get away from a psycho who accused him of rape (that was the first case, actual video taped evidence he went straight to his room after walking her to hers and leaving her at the door). Make no mistake, many many of these women are rip roaring nuts. Absolutely certifiably insane. And they’re often in positions of authority over others and positions of public trust. I could go on about this all day, but it’s depressing in the extreme…oh, wait, looks like I DID go on all day about it. Ah, well. I could go into next week about it.

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  12. Tarnished says:

    I don’t do shuffleboard, but I do very casual darts and pool/billiards when at my uncle’s house. It’s fun, but nothing I’d be all that interested in watching as an actual sport.

    Liz, try this on for size:
    A male acquaintance/classmate in high school told me he had a girl attempt to get him to fuck her by blackmailing him. Now, she didn’t actually have any dirt on him, so she threatened to call his girlfriend of 3 years…and tell said gf he cheated. With her. Frickin batshit insane, obviously, and the gf didn’t believe her anyway when he declined.

    Also had a 19 year old customer get accused of rape by his girlfriend of 13 months because they had mutually drunk sex.

    …yeah. Didn’t make sense to me, either.

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  13. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    “Innocent until proven guilty”is a tenet of Anglo-Saxon jurisprudence. It is my understand in countries that have adopted the Code Napoleon, or his Code Civil, that the burden is on the defendant.

    Spawny Get,
    Members of Parliament are having to fight false accusations. This not also about false allegations but about intimidating serving legislators. There is a reason that James Madison extended immunity to Senators when the Constitution was written.
    If your country will throw the integrity of its own government under the bus to appease these fembots, should you consider going ex-pat?

    I think that htis has become all too common a problem and the solution for is to prosecute false accusers.

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  14. Tarnished says:

    Depends on whether the case is criminal or civil.

    In civil, the burden of proof is typically on the plaintiff, not the defendant.

    In criminal, the burden of proof is always on the state.

    http://www.rbs2.com/cc.htm

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  15. Tarnished says:

    Completely agree about prosecution of false accusers though. If you are willing to ruin someone’s life with a horrible lie, you should be prepared to face the same jail time they’d have gone through.

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  16. Cill says:

    In college kangaroo courts, the burden of proof is on the accused.

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  17. Cill says:

    In British law, the burden of proof principle was articulated by Viscount Sankey in Woolmington v DPP 1935:

    “Throughout the web of the English Criminal Law one golden thread is always to be seen that it is the duty of the prosecution to prove the prisoner’s guilt subject to… the defence of insanity and subject also to any statutory exception. If, at the end of and on the whole of the case, there is a reasonable doubt, created by the evidence given by either the prosecution or the prisoner… the prosecution has not made out the case and the prisoner is entitled to an acquittal. No matter what the charge or where the trial, the principle that the prosecution must prove the guilt of the prisoner is part of the common law of England and no attempt to whittle it down can be entertained.

    The principle was already well established by then.

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  18. Tarnished says:

    Your reply is a lot fancier than mine, Cill.
    😛

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  19. Tarnished says:

    Also…is this really how it is in college courts?

    The defendant is given the burden of proof? Wtf.

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  20. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    It gets worse. The accused cannot have an attorney and cannt cross-examine his accuser.

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  21. Sumo says:

    For anyone who is not familiar with my background, I was in law enforcement until about 2 years ago. Not a cop, but I had similar authorities; my sphere of responsibility was working in a large hospital. In eight years, I lost track of the number of women who came into the hospital claiming to have been raped that turned out to be B.S, but I can remember exactly how many were legitimate – two.

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  22. Cill says:

    Back in the days of Woolmington v DPP criminal cases were a matter of “the prisoner” vs the Crown. Today the “the prisoner” is referred to as “the accused”. Rape is a crime. In college kangaroo courts the alleged rapist is the “accused”. There’s no right to cross examine the accuser or even to know who she is. A mere feeling that the accused is guilty is enough to convict him, even if the feeling is only 50.1 to 49.9 against him. If Viscount Sankey, he of the famous “golden thread” statement, could see what fembots have done to “justice”, he’d turn in his grave.

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  23. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,
    What the actual hell?

    Sumo,
    Was it difficult to tell who was sincere?

    Cill,
    Stop it. I’m trying to retain faith in humanity and you’re making it rather hard to accomplish. I already had a customer today who claimed I sold him a faulty X360 because it wouldn’t play PS3 games, and another who thought his AC adapter could literally syphon electricity from the air and didn’t need to be plugged in to his wall outlet…I am unsure how much more stupid I can handle today.

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  24. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks Tarn. Unca Spawny ends the night with a laugh.

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  25. Tarnished says:

    *sigh*
    My pain is your amusement, I see… 😉

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  26. Spawny Get says:

    If you read the comments on the links I gave, I really think that the public is waking up to the incessant lies on fembots. My worry is that the politicians are still clueless.

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  27. Spawny Get says:

    Please miss, can I have some more? (Oliver Twist)

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  28. Tarnished says:

    Well, yeah.
    They are politicians…

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  29. Sumo says:

    Tarn,

    Not really. Investigative techniques notwithstanding, the docs and nurses did their thing, and reported the absence or presence of evidence indicating rape.

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  30. Tarnished says:

    The stupid customer stories I have would make you weep openly and wish for a publicly administered infertility chemical.

    Here, read this instead:
    http://www.actsofgord.com

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  31. Tarnished says:

    Thanks, Sumo.

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  32. Tarnished says:

    Heh, someone over on mgtow.com found my blog. While I appreciate his comment, I don’t think the Fems care about what I write and most other female-types think I’m a freakish gender traitor. It’s nice to get recognition, though…even if it’s from the choir. 😉

    http://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/woman-gets-it/

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  33. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    These campus kangaroo courts do not decide matters of law, they only determine discipline within a college setting. They are not going to send ayone to jail.

    Spawny Get,
    Good night and sleep the sleep of the just.

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  34. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    My avatar is not very cuddly. Something needs to be done here.

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  35. Cill says:

    “These campus kangaroo courts do not decide matters of law, they only determine discipline within a college setting”
    They can expel him from college and negate his passes to date. It can ruin his career. Other universities won’t accept him after that. It wrecks his employment opportunities too..

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324600704578405280211043510?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424127887324600704578405280211043510.html

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  36. Cill says:

    Fuzzie, I’m not at all sure that I’d like to be tucked into bed by that face. Sorry mate. 😉

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  37. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    There is a law firm that has decided to specialie int advocating for men unjustly thrown out of college. The last I heard, they had over thirty cases. This is going to get very expensie.

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  38. Cill says:

    Fuzzie, yes, claims for damages are being filed against universities. “Expensive” is the word, the price of an incompetent Administration who have no understanding of, or perhaps a deliberate contempt for, the Rule of Law and the separation of the powers.

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  39. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    Go to gravatar.com and get thee a sufficiently ursine picture.

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  40. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I think my new avatar has scared Molly away. I REALLY need to do something.

    I think most of this is due to federal govenment medling by virtue of Title IX monies that go to these institutions.

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  41. Farm Boy says:

    What is up with the Bear being green and Yoda being tan?

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  42. Cill says:

    Yoda,
    amuses Spawny to have it thus, it does
    His own sense of humor he has. 😉

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  43. Cill says:

    Fuzzie, Tarn’s advice was good.

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  44. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I am having a hard time looking at my avatar. He is so UNCUDDLY.

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  45. Cill says:

    Only its own mother could love it, Fuzzy. Your avatar, I mean. Ever thought of getting one for yourself? Otherwise you will forever be at the mercy of he who changes avatars on a whim. If you need a hand, just give me a yell.

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  46. molly says:

    Let’s find the fuzziest wuzziest most beary avatar.
    Starting… now.
    (Go)

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  47. Cill says:

    Intel has decided to throw $300 million at diversity in tech nonsense. One of the recipients of that money will be Anita Sarkeesian. Intel’s supposed goal is to have Intel’s US employees reflect the racial and gender makeup of the US population by 2020:

    http://www.antifeministtech.info/2015/01/how-long-until-intel-gets-hit-with-a-class-action-law-suit-from-asian-american-men/

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  48. Yoda says:

    One of the recipients of that money will be Anita Sarkeesian

    Lucrative being a professional victim is.

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  49. Yoda says:

    What should happen is a mandatory test proving an ability to be rational and make decisions based on facts rather than emotional responses.

    Apply this to the men one should.
    Rational women the feminine imperative they still would have.

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  50. Yoda says:

    His own sense of humor he has. 😉

    For 800 years warned of British humor I have been.

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  51. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    the second bear is more like it. He’s happy!

    Cill,
    Intel granting money to Anita Sarkeesian? We must live in a very patient society. She should be thouroghly discredited by now.

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  52. Cill says:

    “She should be thouroghly discredited by now.”
    Our Groucho-Marxo-Femino Establishment hath a Messianic capacity for love and forgiveness of Woman, while saying to Man good and bad, “Get thee out of my sight, Satan”.

    Women need to witness men thus dismissed, in order themselves to feel totally cleansed and blessed in the largesse of the Great Female Group Bias.

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  53. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    Davis Aurini has been working on a film expose of Anita. I am anxious to see it.
    Followed your link and , yes, minority men an women currently working at Intel who would be laid off have a good case if it’s followed through.

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  54. Tarnished says:

    Yoda,

    Not necessarily. Having 2 X chromosomes doesn’t mean you must follow the “hivemind”. If the feminine imperative is against what a female-bodied person wants to live for, there’s no reason for them to adhere to it whatsoever.

    From Farm Boy’s post on the Feminine Imperative, we saw that women want resources (stocking up for when they are more vulnerable due to pregnancy), and privileges (because they are generally weaker than men and desire support). They also tend to enjoy being with like-minded women in small groups for more opportunities to get the aforementioned resources and privileges.

    But then introduce a female who is not this “everywoman”. She will not need excess resources because she will never be pregnant. She does not put herself in situations where privileges are needed, and indeed works to ensure she is as self-sufficient as much as any average male peer. This is not a forced occurance…such ways of life are how she is naturally inclined. Yet this same nature makes her less likely to understand other members of her sex, and oftentimes results in a near total rejection from any possible female groups.

    Why then, should such a woman ever give a damn about the Feminine Imperative? The fact she was born with a clitoris rather than a penis is hardly her fault, and sadly there are those with penises who are hundreds of times more likely to uphold the FI before she would.

    Yes, I’ll readily admit this describes myself but it is unlikely there are no others who are similar. Female to Male transsexuals, other gender dysphoric females, some intersexed people, etc all have or had female genitals but not minds. While some have been corrupted by the professional victimization lifestyle of Feminism, there are many more who have no reason to make decisions based on the FI, because it doesn’t truly pertain to them.

    And now…sleep.

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  55. Cill says:

    “Davis Aurini has been working on a film expose of Anita”. I remember you mentioning that some time ago Fuzzy. I hope the movie doesn’t disappoint us. The key to all this is the MSM. Civilization needs to rid itself of the Groucho-Marxo-Femquizzling throttlehold on mainstream info. It’s a simply stated goal for a complex mission. Were the MSM not the fembots’ bitch, the lunacy would have died a thousand deaths before now.

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  56. Yoda says:

    Unicorn,

    Society needs to work effectively does it not?

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  57. Spawny Get says:

    Yoda, you need to cut back on the substance abuse.

    Do we have a consensus on which set of avatars we want to use?
    ‘Identicon’ (the ones that ran for ages before Cill stirred it all up)
    ‘MonsterID’ (Yoda as the purple blob)
    ‘Wavatar’ (Liz with the sizeable posterior – triangle)

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  58. Tarnished says:

    Yoda,

    If we care about it, yes.
    Your point?

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  59. Liz says:

    Spawny: “Do we have a consensus on which set of avatars we want to use?”

    Either type suits me. I’ll own that fatass!

    Just pick a style and go with it. 🙂

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  60. Yoda says:

    Your point?

    The best approach the question would be.

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  61. Yoda says:

    Yoda, you need to cut back on the substance abuse.

    Degaba much fermentation it does have.

    [SG – Judging by the evidence presented…mmm…yeah 😉 ]

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    I just reblogged (comments there) something from Francis Roy’s blog, for those of you with any interest, anyone? Just me? Fine.

    I’m probably happy to leave the discussion there for my purposes (I’ll see), but if any of the guys here want to put up a post (that doesn’t just steal Francis’ material) then fine. Francis individually clears comments, that can slow down the debate, he also might not appreciate off topic conversation 😉 or maybe when all communication is done between ‘us’ and we still disagree…we may need to part company on that issue.

    I’m not sure that he and I have any meaty disagreement on this issue. It might just be down to how much we put up with from people just to get along…that is no source of a holy war. It might provide a discussion trigger though.

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  63. Liz says:

    “The best approach the question would be.”

    For the exceptions, rules made are not.

    “he also might not appreciate off topic conversation..

    Hey, what are you trying to say? 😛

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  64. Yoda says:

    Judging by the evidence presented…mmm…yeah

    Affected my speech it has not.

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  65. Spawny Get says:

    Respect to Yoda. Nice one.

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  66. Cill says:

    “Degaba much fermentation it does have”
    Are you happy with your avatar, Yoda? Bear in mind that your avatar is your persona, your “you”, the way you present yourself to the universe. It is your body, the temple of your soul. In your current incarnation, are you really, truly happy? Should you allow this precious “selfness” to be jockied about at the whim of a patholological psycholologist?

    Should someone (other than said patholological psycholologist) write a best seller on “How to be Happy with your Avatar”, to be promoted by Opra?

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  67. Tarnished says:

    The best approach for an effective society is for those who are rational, empathetic, and secular-minded to make the decisions that affect their nation. It should not matter what someone looks like…if they can prove themselves capable of living by such qualities consistently, then they should have a voice in government.

    Heck, it’d be a nice change of pace if those currently in government positions had these qualities…

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  68. Yoda says:

    Better avatar i should have.
    Look more like me it should.

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  69. Yoda says:

    Hipsters being MGTOWs stupid this would be.
    Hipsters showy and lack substance they do.
    MGTOWs reserved and capable they are.

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  70. Liz says:

    “The best approach for an effective society is for those who are rational, empathetic, and secular-minded to make the decisions that affect their nation.”

    Sophia, what would be a practical way of measuring those things?

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  71. Cill says:

    Yoda, when you are making a pojnt you gesture with your left arm. Are you left handed?

    Tarnished, have you read Plato’s philosopher king?

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  72. Tarnished says:

    Cill has the right idea going…great minds think alike. 😉

    I’m unsure if there is a foolproof way of measuring these qualities. Written exams will give some indication, but not all since they aren’t in the moment. Perhaps something similar to what ABC does in their “What Would You Do?” hidden camera series.

    Yoda was fine with such a test being applied to males…perhaps he has some ideas?

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  73. Cill says:

    In “The Republic” Plato outlines his proposed selection process for the philosopher kings.

    His “cave” is a fascinating metaphor.

    The best country I have lived in is an effective autocracy. It is Singapore, presided over by the effective autocrat Lee Kuan Yew. Singapore simply works.

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  74. Tarnished says:

    That sounds interesting.
    Can you describe it a bit more, Cill?

    What was Singapore government like that made it so effective?

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  75. Tarnished says:

    Re: creating a modern philosopher king/government body…

    https://philosophynow.org/issues/101/Platos_Ideal_Ruler_Today

    Seems like a better place to start than what we use now, at least.

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  76. Cill says:

    Tarn,
    It’s a long story. As Lee was in the process taking control, one of the first things he did was approach the top British cop of Singapore. As a child I liked to listen to that top British cop, by then an old man, and he dropped many pearls of wisdom as to the nature of law and government. It is a long story.

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  77. Cill says:

    In the 1950s, Singapore was a sleazy crime ridden place. Lee said to the cop, “You must have the names of all the criminals in Singapore.”
    Cop: “Yes.”
    Lee: “I want you to compile a list of all those names.”
    Cop: “I have it right here. This list gives all names and details of convictions.”
    Lee: “I already have those names. I want a list of those who have not been convicted. I know you. You know who they are.”
    Cop: “They have never been arrested because we have no proof of their crimes.”
    Lee: “But you know who they are.”
    Cop: “I do.”
    Lee: “I want their names.”

    There you have it, inside story straight from the horse’s mouth. Lee obtained the list of names and cleaned out the crime. Singapore to this day is one of the most crime-free countries on Earth.

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  78. Tarnished says:

    Sounds like a good plan. He was a very wise person. Thanks for that story, Cill.

    I’m at work from now (12pm) till 9pm, so see everyone later!

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  79. Cill says:

    I have visited Singapore several times in my adulthood. The State restricts the freedom of the media, but I found it refreshingly informative as to the things I want to keep up with. I compare it with the timid, voluntary enslavement the MSM of the West and find myself preferring the Singapore media. The state of Singapore is a far more fair and objective autocrat than are the leftists and fembots of the West. By comparison, the MSM of the West is an orchestrated litany of lies.

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  80. Yoda says:

    Written tests difficult they are.
    If stakes are high gamed they will be.

    Biggest problem measure attributes indirectly they do.

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  81. Liz says:

    Well, I too would prefer that system, Cill. But they are a lot more draconian about their laws and use measures a good number (probably most) people in the west wouldn’t approve of. Remember how Clinton groveled and begged Singapore not to publicly cane that teenaged vandal. And then he became a “hero” of sorts…on the chat shows at least.

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  82. Yoda says:

    The State restricts the freedom of the media

    Restricted by state or political correctness much difference does it make?

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  83. Yoda says:

    Remember how Clinton groveled and begged Singapore not to publicly cane that teenaged vandal

    Much suprised Clinton was.
    Large number of Americans supported the caning they did.

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  84. Yoda says:

    Wise incorruptible people difficult to find they are.

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  85. Liz says:

    “Wise incorruptible people difficult to find they are.”

    Likely impossible, in fact. In the future, there will probably be some sort of implant in people’s heads (voluntary, at first), what will enable them to think far faster. For example, everything we have to look up now will be available without having to type or speak it, just think of it and the “thought” will come to you in a sort of cyborg manner via chip. They could probably create a chip to enable the “incorruptible feature” also, at that point. Or just cut out the human “feelz” element altogether. Which is simultaneously both the scariest thing imaginable and also perhaps the only hope for humanity ultimately.

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  86. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Look at what I ound at COTWA

    http://www.cotwa.info/2015/01/uk-to-men-falsely-accused-of-rape-drop.html

    How long do you think men can be told this stuff before we react to it? My personal favorite is Harriat Harman’s idea of men holding one way plane tickets filling up all the airports.
    I would just love to see the expression on Dave Cameron’s face reading about that at breakfast.

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  87. Tarnished says:

    Liz,

    Really quick:
    Have you ever read The Giver?

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  88. Liz says:

    The Giver, yes, just a few months ago, in fact! I hadn’t thought of that (consciously, anyway), but it’s a very good example.
    I plan on checking out the sequels soon too…

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  89. Cill says:

    Liz, I too am following those advances. They will happen. The lefto-fembots are trying to get in early to control it.

    On the subject of the media:
    The picture the western media presents of countries such as China, Russia and The Ukraine are very different from the truth on the ground. After living in those places, I find the western MSM almost humorously predictable with its cherry-picked reporting. We are misinformed.

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  90. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    About avatars, I think it might be best to go back to what we had originally.. This last set has done Yoda horribly.

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  91. NoLongerLurking says:

    Liz and other,

    Did you see Gone Girl? There’s a psycho chick for you. It’s a movie worth seeing.

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  92. Cill says:

    Yoda’s left arm must be exhausted from all the gesturing it’s doing. And Fuzzy, could you try pricking up your blue ears for a change? They append to your body at different levels and I need to see if they rise to the same height.

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  93. NoLongerLurking says:

    And Gone Girl is refreshing to not see the man as the psycho and it shows how easily women can game the system to gain enormous amounts of sympathy and support.

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  94. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, now you could think about adopting the avatar at

    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2015/01/07/no-anonymity-for-the-falsely-accused/comment-page-1/#comment-7374

    The avatar that Molly found for you is just you! Somebody must have painted your portrait at some stage.

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  95. Liz says:

    I hear about Gone Girl, but haven’t seen it, NLL.

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  96. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Thank you for changing the avatars back.

    Yoda,
    With respect to your last link, it really is a demonstration of ego that women think that they can “special order” a boyfriend.

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  97. Cill says:

    NoLongerLurking, I’ll look for the DVD. Sounds interesting.

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  98. Yoda says:

    it really is a demonstration of ego that women think that they can “special order” a boyfriend.

    Perhaps “entitlement” a better word it would be.

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  99. Yoda says:

    On the subject of the media:
    The picture the western media presents of countries such as China, Russia and The Ukraine are very different from the truth on the ground.

    What the MSM gets correct one does wonder..

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  100. Cill says:

    Yoda, I approach the MSM in a state of willing suspension of belief.

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  101. NoLongerLurking says:

    Cill and Liz,

    Here’s some red pill analysis of the movie but beware spoilers if you intend on watching it.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2icwl4/gone_girl_a_red_pill_analysis/cl1kw87

    And see the comment below it by omnipedia, quoted below:

    “This movie has a lot of red pill truth.

    Neal Patrick Harris is the ultimate orbiter beta- he’s even super rich and gives a little speech about how, finally, he has gotten the girl.

    Affleck being a man is used against him the way feminists attack men now. He is constantly manipulated, his good guy tendencies used against him- like the selfie taken with the supporter.

    In fact the the decent female in the movie is the sister, go.”

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  102. Yoda says:

    his good guy tendencies used against him

    Happens often presently it does.
    Women eventually regret this they will.

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  103. Yoda says:

    I approach the MSM in a state of willing suspension of belief.

    Akin to a terminator movie this would be.

    But not a Star Wars movie.
    Real they were.
    Except the prequels.
    Exist they do not.

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  104. Tarnished says:

    If it was anything like the book, the main female character was an absolute sociopath and emotional sadist. Very disturbing read, full of manipulation and abject cruelty.

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  105. NoLongerLurking says:

    Last comment I’ll quote on Gone Girl. Anyway, recommended viewing for red pill people.

    ***Warning: Spoilers***

    http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2icwl4/gone_girl_a_red_pill_analysis/cl1bgov

    “I thought it was incredibly realistic, actually. Nick starts out high value, he gets the girl, and then he loses his frame. The girl ceases to be attracted to him, obviously, but tries pretty hard for awhile to save the marriage. Eventually she realizes that he found someone hotter and younger than her, and is only staying with her for her money. The only thing that truly upsets her about this is that he lost his value. If he still kept his frame, she probably wouldn’t have even cared that he was getting something on the side. Lacking any sort of honor or sense of truth, she decides to abuse the justice system by framing him for her murder. This is something a lot of girls WOULD do if they could get away with it. Look at how many girls fake rape accusations (Nick later finds out that she faked a rape case previously in her life and never told him). Nick gets screwed over because he lost his game. Once he essentially becomes famous, a common household name, even, he gets his high value back. He’s starting to look like the guy that gave her tingles in the first place. She comes back like nothing even happened. She doesn’t see anything wrong with the idea of being taken back, because to her, she did nothing wrong. She hamstered her way into believing that he deserved to be put on death row because he “killed her one the inside.” He made her feel bad, so the hamster says he deserves to die. Does that sound very different from the thought process of the average girl? It’s essentially the classic “he made me feel bad after we had consensual sex, therefore he raped me,” just taken to a higher level. I can guarantee that half of the women that watched this movie didn’t see anything wrong with her thought process, that he deserved to die for losing his value and cheating on her, they just won’t admit it.”

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  106. Cill says:

    NoLongerLurking, I looked at the comments. By most accounts, Gone Girl is a realistic movie.

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  107. Cill says:

    Okay, now I’ve read the summary ^
    Don’t worry, the tech Liz mentioned ^^^ will be the death of fembotism and white female gendercentricity. With so much good info available, the last thing we’ll want to do is fill our heads with ludicrous ideology and worthless paraphernalia. Fembots won’t be able to control the info, either. The real stuff will leak out. Every thinking person will want it.

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  108. NoLongerLurking says:

    Cill, I’d say it’s realistic in terms of broad themes and many of the things that happen. However, some of the plot points are not common at all. But that’s because it’s a movie about a rare psychopath.

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  109. Cill says:

    This info-tech need not be an implant in the brain, either. We will be able to build neurons, which we need not carry in our heads. Did you know, 66% of an octopus’s neurons are in its arms? A multi-purpose exoskeleton would fill the bill. I digress…

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  110. Cill says:

    Edit “fill the bill”
    Bwahahahaha! 😀
    I think I’ll leave it as it is…

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  111. Yoda says:

    Women shouldn’t apply rigid tests to find a guy who’s a feminist. They should just look for a guy who’s not a jerk.

    Jerks attractive they are.
    Feminists they are not.
    What is a woman to do?

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  112. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Cill & Yoda:
    Those who don’t listen to the news are uninformed. Those that do listen to the news are misinformed.

    Along similar lines, those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. Those who know history are doomed to watch.

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  113. Yoda says:

    Which better is it to be?

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  114. Spawny Get says:

    Better 2b?

    News? Psycholological font of nonsense.
    History? Popcorn salesman.

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  115. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Speaking of history, I have to wonder what got Bob Wallace’s goat.
    Yesterday:
    http://uncabob.blogspot.com/2015/01/for-sale.html
    Today:
    http://uncabob.blogspot.com/2015/01/we-dont-need-charles-martel.html

    Those who know it are doomed ro watch.
    Ouch!

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  116. Cill says:

    Those who recognize headlines of substance then research them are neither uninformed nor misinformed.

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  117. Spawny Get says:

    I mean seriously, you haven’t heard of the Paris attacks?

    Martel and Tepes drove back invasions of Europe by the religion of peace.

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  118. Spawny Get says:

    If you haven’t then American journalism is worse than I thought. And I thought it was a disgrace (just like ours)

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  119. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    @Yoda – Which better is it to be?

    IMAO, better to be misinformed. Inconsistent misinformation combined with personal observation allows you to methodically approach accurate information. Similarly, it’s better to know, because you’ve got a better shot at choosing your vantage point.

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  120. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Charle Martel turned back a Muslim invasion from Spain. Vlad Tepes defended Wallachia from the Turks. What they did iwas defend their countries from soldiers of legitimate governments. What the terrorists did in Paris was simply murder and a matter for police.
    I would call on Charles Martel or Vlad Tepes if we had to go to war.

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  121. Spawny Get says:

    well i think that’s what unca bob was getting at.

    there’s been quite a reaction all over europe…except for the lamestream pollies. who are about as relevant as tits on a bull.

    early night tonight, retaining my pleasant mood. good night, have fun all

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  122. Liz says:

    Night night Swithy. 🙂

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  123. Spawny Get says:

    just got this, watching now

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  124. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    I had a happy thought. When the police catch up to the terrorists, they all chant a line from Lawrence of Arabia.

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  125. Cill says:

    Without playing it Fuzzy I know the line is “No Prisoners”.

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  126. Spawny Get says:

    i think JtO missed half the point here. bad call John. perhaps youre just too far away from the realities of Paris?

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  127. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    i am such a predictable bear.

    Spawny,
    John,living in British Columbia, oesn’t have to contend with immigrants from the Middle East. He likely has a lot of immigrants from Hong Kong to rub elbows with.

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  128. Yoda says:

    What the terrorists did in Paris was simply murder and a matter for police.

    Inspector Clouseau on the case he is.
    Meanwhile higher ups whitewash they do.

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  129. Yoda says:

    No prisoners

    Went native “Orance” did

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  130. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Toda,
    I always found it easier to identify with Chef Inspector Dreyfus.

    In all seriousness, I am surprised that the French Police were able to identify and run the culprits to ground so fast.

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  131. Alana says:

    Thanks for sharing that tidbit on Lee Kuan Yew talking to the British cop in the 1950s, Cill. I’d never known of that conversation. 🙂

    I don’t agree with all of LKY’s actions, but I do agree with the majority, maybe 95%, of what he did. Sometimes when I read the papers and see what’s going on in other countries, like the neighbouring Asian countries, I feel sooo grateful I was born here.

    Singapore generally gets lots of kudos for efficiency, low crime and low corruption, but one thing I’m especially grateful for is that there is extremely little racial and religious tension here, something that seems increasingly rare nowadays in many places. That is something that LKY and his administration had the foresight to work towards, from the early days of Singapore’s independence, and those efforts have paid off.

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  132. Alana says:

    I’m speechless and horrified at how some sickos think that pple deserve to die for a frickin cartoon. And I’m scared that stuff like this will keep happening until it will fail to shock anyone anymore.

    I think the French will take actions to deter such things from happening again. They do have guts and willpower, they implemented and stuck to their burqa ban amidst BS protests of discrimination.

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  133. Spawny Get says:

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/09/breaking-another-paris-shooting-reported/

    “Five hostages have been taken at a Jewish supermarket in Paris by a heavily armed gunman.

    It is believed the shooter may be the same man who committed the Thursday murder of a policewoman in the South of Paris, and the incident, which is developing in the 11th arrondissement (district), is just streets away from the offices of Charlie Hebdo.

    Although at least one person is reported to have been wounded, there have not been any reports of fatalities. The assailant has been described as being of ‘North African’ appearance.”

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  134. Liz says:

    A bloggess I follow, Sarah Hoyt, wrote a good piece on this, Spawny:
    “Je suis Charlie”

    http://accordingtohoyt.com/2015/01/08/je-suis-charlie/

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  135. Liz says:

    An excerpt from the above link.
    She really went to town, it’s a brilliant piece.

    “The film of red grew as these asinine cowards, these craven and self-regarding poltroons, started saying things like that the brave men and women who risked their lives for free speech should have been more careful of the feelings of others. These are the same people who routinely, three times a day, post some dig at Christianity, some mockery of Americans, some pseudo-witty comment about Republicans. But see, none of those people threaten to kill them.

    The brave social(ist) justice warriors are ever ready to speak truth to the power that will not hurt them. Towards Islam, otoh they adopt the crouching position and kiss the terrorists gangrenous blood-soaked pudenda.

    Is this their pathological admiration of anyone who has the cojones to do what they’d like to do and cut the throats of everyone who disagrees with them? After all, these are the idolaters of Che, he who clubbed children and puppies to death. Are they, in their heart, hyenas who dream of being lions? Or perhaps – since the lion is a lazy beast who relies on size and intimidation – they are lions who dream of being hyenas.

    But I might give them too much credit. Perhaps just as after nine eleven, they find themselves scared. After all these barbarians they keep trying to dress in the robes of the noble savage, might not know that they are quite willing to betray their countrymen in order to be the ones killed last.

    And so they hasten to lave the hand that would behead them, and to denounce their countrymen loudly. Hence, the next batch of screaming, saying that this is all the right wing’s fault – somehow, in another country. That they’re afraid of what the “right wing” will do – no you’re not, you base flees on the scrotum of a traitorous dog. If you were scared of us, you’d also kiss our behinds – and that the right wing is “gloating” over this and being “racist.”

    First of all, we are not gloating over this. It takes such a state of moral corruption to gloat over someone killing cartoonists for funny cartoons – even when the someone is a band we consider dangerous – that I don’t think any sane man or woman could try it. Yes, I know, you could feel that way, but you are not sane. Your double think, your fear and your hatred has long ago driven any sanity from your poor Social(ist) Justice Warrior minds. Such as they ever were.

    Second calling us racists is an act of idiotic projection that simultaneously reveals your ignorance and your real feelings. I have no idea how you managed to convince yourselves Muslims are a different race. Most Muslims (though there are Muslims of every color) are the same race I am (Hispanic/Latino is a cultural definition, not a race one): White, of Mediterranean sub-race.

    Oh, sure, we tan a little better, and some of us have a sort of ‘fro. That does not another race make, unless you’re going by the nineteenth century definition of “every country a race.”

    And you probably are, because in your beffudled, endarkened mind culture is hereditary. This is why multiculturalism is necessary and classes in every language under the sun for third generation Americans, because culture can’t be changed and can’t be learned and can’t be unlearned.”

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  136. Spawny Get says:

    We seem to be running a society wide experiment on Rudyard Kipling’s ditty (hear / see below). Our politicians aren’t addressing any of the issues, they claim that all’s well, they ignore all calls to the contrary. I can’t say that I know which way things are going to go. Here, or in Europe. IMHO Rotherham showed the corruption of the religion up through to the government of the time…none of the people who knew what was going on stepped up…no blood there. Mind you, I’d crucify the political party over the issue, this was no accidental happening, it was a consequence of cowardice and malevolence in leadership at all levels. I note that that area elected another lefty police chief to replace the one thatfinally quit over the happenings.

    Look what the dying Norman Lord says not to do to the saxon plebs and compare it to modern politicians…I’m genuinely curious as to what’s going to happen. Our politicians at the UK and Euro level have been catastrophically out of step with large parts of the electorate for decades of the good times…they’re gone now, the good times. And the money to buy off the problems. All of our politicians are lloking like deer in the headlights (except Nigel – and he got pilloried for it)

    “My son,” said the Norman Baron, “I am dying, and you will be heir
    To all the broad acres in England that William gave me for share
    When he conquered the Saxon at Hastings, and a nice little handful it is.
    But before you go over to rule it I want you to understand this:–

    “The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
    But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice right.
    When he stands like an ox in the furrow–with his sullen set eyes on your own,
    And grumbles, ‘This isn’t fair dealing,’ my son, leave the Saxon alone.

    “You can horsewhip your Gascony archers, or torture your Picardy spears;
    But don’t try that game on the Saxon; you’ll have the whole brood round your ears.
    From the richest old Thane in the county to the poorest chained serf in the field,
    They’ll be at you and on you like hornets, and, if you are wise, you will yield.

    “But first you must master their language, their dialect, proverbs and songs.
    Don’t trust any clerk to interpret when they come with the tale of their own wrongs.
    Let them know that you know what they are saying; let them feel that you know what to say.
    Yes, even when you want to go hunting, hear ’em out if it takes you all day.

    They’ll drink every hour of the daylight and poach every hour of the dark.
    It’s the sport not the rabbits they’re after (we’ve plenty of game in the park).
    Don’t hang them or cut off their fingers. That’s wasteful as well as unkind,
    For a hard-bitten, South-country poacher makes the best man-at-arms you can find.

    “Appear with your wife and the children at their weddings and funerals and feasts.
    Be polite but not friendly to Bishops; be good to all poor parish priests.
    Say ‘we,’ ‘us’ and ‘ours’ when you’re talking, instead of ‘you fellows’ and ‘I.’
    Don’t ride over seeds; keep your temper; and never you tell ’em a lie!”

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  137. Cill says:

    Alana “I’d never known of that conversation”

    The reason I know of the convo between the top cop and Lee, is that the top cop told me in person. Very few people (if any – apart from me) will know of it. It is rare inside info. I was little, and the cop was an old man by then. I used to love listening to him. He taught me a lot.

    He also fought in Malaya (now Malaysia). He was an adventurer.

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  138. Cill says:

    “PROMOTING MULTICULTURALISM ‘BIGGEST MISTAKE’ EUROPE HAS MADE”
    It is the biggest mistake ever made by the western world. The barbarian is inside the gates. There is much talk of islamist terror risk here now, in NZ.

    I have heard Feminists talk, on our govt funded National Radio. They promoted multiculturalism as a way of diluting the patriarchy. They believe the patriarchy (straight white male) is responsible for everything that’s wrong in the world irrespective of where or when. Therefore, according to them, everyone else must be better, regardless. So they opened the gates to the moslems and made them more special than the locals.

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  139. Alana says:

    Oh i see, no wonder I couldn’t find any info about that convo online. :p Anyway that’s a very LKY-esque thing to do, he’s a “the ends justify the means” kinda person. Such tactics can be very effective, but they require a person/pple of strong integrity to carry them out. The same results can’t be easily replicated in many countries on a larger scale, as it is open to horrible abuse in the wrong hands. =(

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  140. Cill says:

    “they require a person/pple of strong integrity to carry them out”

    Tarn and I were talking about Plato’s philosopher kings. Western democracy has been hijacked by an autocratic group (groucho-feminism) with the connivance of the MSM. IMHO an autocracy works better than such democracy if the autocrat is worthwhile. There have been a number of worthwhile autocrats e.g. Marcus Aurelius and Lee.

    How’s Singapore these days? I’d stayed at a place on Orchard Road.

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  141. Alana says:

    @CillL Ooh a philosophy discussion. 🙂 I actually don’t know much about Plato–I did read up on him quite a few yrs ago and attended some lectures on his writings, but have forgotten much of it–but now I’m reading about him and his ideas in “The Story of Philosophy” by Will Durant.

    It has been raining cats and dogs almost daily in Singapore for the past few weeks, which is getting very annoying. Orchard Road was v beautifully lit up at Christmas season, but I guess many places are too. If u ever happen to visit Singapore again around Xmas time, I recommend seeing the Gardens by the Bay decorations–both indoors and outdoors, which are lovely.

    Singapore is very clean and safe as usual (gosh that sounds dull right? lol) but has the usual problems of having crowded public transport systems and being expensive in terms of homes and cars, thanks to the small size. >.< The small size is one reason why it can be kept so safe though, so I try to look on the bright side. 🙂 I love serenity so the quiet life is fine by me, but I'm sure some pple find Singapore terribly dull.

    Anything new in NZ? =)

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  142. Cill says:

    Something I always wondered about Singapore is how do all the Indian tailors make a living? There are so many of them, how can they all survive? If the way they hassle visitors on the streets is anything to go by, they’re not surviving very well.

    Anyway, NZ is a quiet safe place for the most part. For me, to a large extent it’s just a base. From my seaside hideaway home I can set forth by boat to anywhere in the Pacific. I have cruised around your part of the world.

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  143. Alana says:

    Lol I really don’t know much about the Indian tailors in Singapore, it’s not something I’ve really thought about. :p I actually haven’t really been hassled by Indian tailors though, maybe it happens at the tourist-y areas which I don’t really go to. If u’re talking about the Indian tailors in the part of Singapore called ‘Little India’, they actually get quite a bit of business from the Indian population in Singapore, who like to shop there. When I was in Little India recently looking for a particular item, I was surprised at how many Indians were there, and I realised that I don’t tend to see many Indians shopping in the popular shopping districts like Orchard Road. I guess they like to give their business to fellow Indians, and can also expect more discounts.

    Ah sailing the seas sounds so fun (a lot of alliteration there, haha). Are there any hazards u have to be wary of? Uh, like pirates? Or sharks? (Sorry if the question sounds silly, I don’t know alot about sailing).

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  144. Cill says:

    Pirates, O yeah. Sharks not so much. There are some murderous landlubbers too, especially in parts of Indonesia (Borneo and New Guinea spring to mind).

    My boat is too fast for the pirates, but I have to be vigilant at night. They jumped me once, when I dropped off to sleep. After a bit of a kerfuffle I escaped.

    By contrast Singapore is safe. It can be rather boring, as you say. I knew an interesting Indian lawyer in Singapore. The door to his office was made of pure gold! The first thing I saw when I walked into his office was a stuffed Sumatran Tiger. It’s an endangered species, but he’s very proud of the fact that he shot it himself. He wanted me to take him hunting in Australia or NZ. Although he was very generous towards me while I was there, I never got around to taking him hunting.

    He took me to the Singapore Cricket Club. He talked about the tiger who prowled around in the club one day (not the one he shot though). In the Singapore Cricket Club they still call the waiters “boys”. Some of the “boys” are young blonde westerners, which makes it even funnier!

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  145. Alana says:

    Cill, sorry for my slow replies, it’s been so busy here with my sis staying with me, visiting for the 1st time in 2 years from the UK. 🙂 Lots of family gatherings–loved ones plus good food, it’s the life. 🙂

    Omg that incident with the pirates sounds terrifying. Maybe u should install some kinda alarm system.

    I’ve always found the sea so beautiful and mysterious. When I was a kid, I went on quite a few cruises with my family and enjoyed them. It’s terrific just to stand on the deck and feel the wind whipping thru one’s hair. So when I got older, there were a few times I tried to round up family members to go on a cruise again, but they didn’t wanna come, saying “Cruises are mainly just relaxing and eating (we ate buffet-style for most meals). Which is true, but I don’t see why that’s a bad thing now-and-then! Lol.

    Actually, before the 2 casinos were built in Singapore a few yrs ago, many Singaporeans went on cruises just to gamble. >.<

    Damn u know lots of cool anecdotes about Singapore I don't know. I doubt the Indian laywer still has an office door made of pure gold, though, it would get him lots of negative publicity these days. :p He'd be featured in the newspaper article on rising income inequality.

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