No MGTOW Is Wed – another inside story


Blurkel (who I encountered on Tarn’s blog) has very kindly written a post for this site.  The quoted text is his post in its entirity, untouched by me.  I’m going to put my comments in the comments, hope you do too.

Thank you very much Blurkel, much appreciated

Discussion has arisen recently on some sites as to whether married men can be MGTOW or not. I’m inclined to stand with the anti crowd. As I see it -and your opinion may well differ- a man who goes his own way doesn’t take anyone else along that path.

Married men by definition have dependents, and society expects that their needs will be met by these men no matter what. The dependents aren’t supposed to be left behind to fend for themselves. And yet, too often, they are. This makes society less accepting of once-married men reclaiming their lives. This is why divorced men are not seen in a good light. Far better to not get caught up in this scam in the first place, and escape public opprobrium for a preventable mistake.

Marriage is not something forced on anyone. It is a choice that men make. The only problem is that this is not an uninformed choice. We men rarely have a clue what we are getting ourselves into, and women make sure via sex and other manipulations that we men don’t think about what we are giving up for them before we sign on the line. Then it’s too late.

I blame this male ignorance on the society created by the industrial revolution. As men left their farms and their businesses to work for someone else, they had less and less interaction with their own family members, especially their sons. These sons rarely got to see their parents interact, and thus only saw married life from the perspective of their mothers. What we learn from our friends in the breech is rarely valid or applicable.

What fatherly advice I ever got pretty much played into that control system. I was told that Mom was the boss, and if I had any doubts, to re-read Rule #1. I got no information about what living with a woman entailed, not about her attitudes, not about her expectations, and certainly not about the moods her cycle causes. And forget about any useful sex information. Save it for marriage is about all that ever got said. Our women will teach us what sex acts they want us to know, which is why most women are not in favor of porn. It tends to give men ideas they don’t want us to have.

Mothers spend a great deal of their daughters lives teaching them about weddings and how marriage “should be”, including how to keep men under their control, particularly by using sex as a reward. I saw my sisters be taught these things, I saw my daughters be taught these things, and I overheard my mother-in-law and a sister-in-law once discussing the application of this control on my brother-in-law.

So what DID I learn about married life? I learned that men are expected to ceaselessly toil to meet ever-increasing demands for more, and to expect no thanks or respect from those who take as if it’s their due. And to have no wants or expectations. Ever.

But I never once in my early years did I consider going it myself. I wasn’t raised for it. Mom’s belittling of any effort on our part to become independent left us all at a disadvantage. She worked against any of us developing knowledge she didn’t approve so she could maintain control. Every son was expected to find a wife who would make a man out of him, in part by taking over that control. My sisters were expected to find men of promise and take control of them to ensure they became successful. Neither path worked out as intended, and I’m the only one still in my first marriage.

So what does this all have to do with MGTOW? Those who have been through the marriage mill should have been explaining to their sons what it’s all about. The sons needed to know what their fathers knew, especially to know when not to go along with the subtle pressure women apply. We also needed to know what our sisters were taught by our mothers: how to budget, how to pay bills, how to have something left over when all of the necessities are met. Few of us are likely to make enough to be profligate and still have control of our lives. There is no way for a man to go his own way without this knowledge. Only then can we make an informed choice as to whether or not we want a partner on our life’s journey, or if we feel strongly enough about our independence to go it alone.

It’s no accident that our mothers don’t teach us men these things. It’s one way women maintain control over men in a relationship. Mothers want to ensure that their daughters are supported when they start making her a grandmother. Mothers expect no less for their daughters than they got themselves. What men might want or need is of no importance compared to the duty of the generation of grand-offspring.

But today’s kids aren’t as blind to marital reality as we were, nor are they as brain-washed into believing certain lies about how things should be. My sons saw how hard I had it, and they didn’t think that was such a great life to take up themselves. They also look at today’s women, and they aren’t encouraged by what they see being offered. Too little to gain for a lot of cost, and thus not a good lifetime social arrangement to make.

I can’t take the credit for their education. They came to this conclusion all by themselves. As a great philosopher once said, “You can observe a lot by just watching.” They watched a great deal.

To sum up, a free man is one who has no permanent obligations to others, leaving society an opening to apply undesired pressure to conform. A MGTOW thus can’t be tied down to someone else’s needs. Therefore, there cannot be married MGTOW. It’s an oxymoron to think otherwise.

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96 comments on “No MGTOW Is Wed – another inside story
  1. Spawny Get says:

    I have to say that I agree with your views on the term ‘married MGTOW’. For such a thing to exist, the term MGTOW can’t mean anything OR that specific marriage cannot mean anything. Cautiously Pessimistic wrote of his experiences in marriage in a post here (though comments on Tarn’s blog explained things further) and I felt he was a legitimate MGTOW. Why? because his marriage was existent in name only. His wife had been made unambiguously aware that there was no gynocentrism to be had from him.

    I haven’t found any great sources, but anecdotally? I’ve heard that many in the current upcoming generation has a legitimately bleak view of marriage and their potential partners in marriage. Their entire upbringing has kept them close to the reality of how things (don’t) work when unrestrained feminism rules their life and they see how many women act when unrestrained by any concept of self-criticism, or criticism by others. Hypergamy gone wild. Refusal to accept criticism. Rejection of the concept of consequences. Any action licensed because …patriarchy and oppression and shit.

    I’m glad that your sons have recognised the lessons on offer.

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  2. Yoda says:

    But today’s kids aren’t as blind to marital reality as we were, nor are they as brain-washed into believing certain lies about how things should be. My sons saw how hard I had it, and they didn’t think that was such a great life to take up themselves.

    Seen this I have.
    Best MGTOW sales pitch there is..
    Women scared they should be.

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  3. Yoda says:

    Mothers spend a great deal of their daughters lives teaching them about weddings and how marriage “should be”, including how to keep men under their control, particularly by using sex as a reward. I saw my sisters be taught these things, I saw my daughters be taught these things, and I overheard my mother-in-law and a sister-in-law once discussing the application of this control on my brother-in-law.

    Manipulation works in long term not.
    “Love thy husband” in their vocabulary not.

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  4. Yoda says:

    Married men by definition have dependents, and society expects that their needs will be met by these men no matter what.

    “These men” necessarily not.
    “Men collectively” sometimes needed.

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  5. Yoda says:

    I’m glad that your sons have recognised the lessons on offer.

    Daughter does recognize not?

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  6. Cill says:

    Typos could be edited?
    Marriage… “is not an uninformed choice.”
    …should be “is not an informed choice.” or “is an uninformed choice.”

    “But I never once in my early years did I consider going it myself.”
    “But I never once in my early years considered going it myself.”

    A question to Blurkel,
    “But today’s kids aren’t as blind to marital reality as we were, nor are they as brain-washed into believing certain lies about how things should be. My sons saw how hard I had it, and they didn’t think that was such a great life to take up themselves. They also look at today’s women, and they aren’t encouraged by what they see being offered. Too little to gain for a lot of cost, and thus not a good lifetime social arrangement to make.”

    What does your wife think of this result? Her sons’ children, if any, would be under the control of their mothers, not your wife’s daughters. Is this enough to remove your wife’s interest, and therefore concerns, about the fate of her sons in the SMP?

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  7. Tarnished says:

    Until women as a whole begin to see that manipulation of men through false promises of love/loyalty and the use of sex as a reward rather than a sharing of pleasure is not how one creates a stable relationship…this decline will continue.

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  8. Tarnished says:

    That’s a good question, Cill.

    I too have wondered what Blurkel’s wife, and others like her, think about their sons. Does the fact that they are essentially MGTOW already, without going through marriage/divorce or having children, annoy her? Scare her? Confuse her? Or does she not care?

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  9. Tarnished says:

    Reblogged this on Tarnished Sophia and commented:

    Words of wisdom from my esteemed commenter, Blurkel.
    Read, and be informed.

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  10. Cill says:

    To build onto tarn’s question (“I too have wondered what Blurkel’s wife, and others like her, think about their sons. Does the fact that they are essentially MGTOW already, without going through marriage/divorce or having children, annoy her? Scare her? Confuse her? Or does she not care?”)
    Does it worry her that her own performance as a married woman might be a factor in her sons now being essentially MGTOW?

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  11. Cill says:

    …or might she be relieved that her sons as MGTOW would be spared the hellish sort of relationship their father had with their mother?

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  12. Yoda says:

    Does it worry her that her own performance as a married woman might be a factor in her sons now being essentially MGTOW?

    Or that daughter(s) perhaps have men to marry not

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  13. Cill says:

    Exactly Yoda. She hasn’t exactly thought things through, has she.

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  14. Yoda says:

    might she be relieved that her sons as MGTOW would be spared the hellish sort of relationship their father had with their mother?

    Probably not true this is.
    Blind as bat likely she is.

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  15. Cill says:

    Blind as a bat, or one-eyed as a Pakistani referee?

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  16. Yoda says:

    Does the fact that they are essentially MGTOW already, without going through marriage/divorce or having children, annoy her? Scare her? Confuse her?

    Sense I do, oblivious she is.

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  17. Spawny Get says:

    I’ve invited Blurkel as an author (as I did Cautiously Pessimistic), once they (I hope) accept I will assign their articles to them and let then correct typos, provide updates etc.

    Don’t think I’ve ‘liked’ such a high percentage of comments in quite a while.

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  18. Tarnished says:

    Here’s the thing:

    Women who support men don’t need to read anything we type here. They may be few and far between, but they’re either already allies or they are happily single/in equal relationships (aka not interested in making a man into a workhorse).

    The people who do need to read this stuff are;
    1. Young men so they can make more informed decisions.

    2. Older men who have been hurt so they can know they’re not alone and support systems are available.

    3. Young women who may not have fully bought into the idea of gynocentrism and are willing to be partners to the men in their lives rather than dictators.

    The question is, how do we reach them? Is it possible, or do we just need to wait until they find us? I dislike not actively correcting a wrong I see…Some have said it’s better to sit back and enjoy the decline/let it burn, but I cannot. It’s not in my personality to do so.

    Ideas? Or am I insane?

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  19. Cill says:

    See Spawny? I spared your forefinger the task of clicking on another well-deserved like

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  20. Cill says:

    All all for proaction, but how to do it? You won’t find me on a soaptub in Hyde Park preaching to the birds.

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  21. Cill says:

    Another thing we can do is set an example as Blurkel has done for his sons. It’s not an example he would have wished on them, but having been left no option by his wife he did what he had to do.

    I know for sure that my example has influenced other men, especially young men.

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  22. Cill says:

    … just thinking, I’d say dozens – possibly scores – of men. That’s a new cool positive thing to think about for me! I must be doing something right.

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  23. Tarnished says:

    That is a great thing to do, Cill.

    For my part, I subtly hand out Red pills to my customers when they talk about the one-sidedness of their girlfriends or come to me for “female advice”.

    Oh…and the female customer let it drop after I told her to actually read some of their (mgtow men’s) stories before judging them and their anger. She said she had no real interest in doing so, and stopped asking about it.

    “The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.”
    -Elie Wiesel

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  24. Yoda says:

    in equal relationships (aka not interested in making a man into a workhorse).

    Rare this is.
    Unicorn rare it would be.

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  25. Moehau Man says:

    “Unicorn rare”
    Like “sky blue” or “the real mckoy”
    (heh heh heh) “Unicorn rare”

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  26. Cill says:

    I was wondering about that tarn. Panic over.

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  27. Moehau Man says:

    “Unicorn rare” is like “shoulder-hunching mirth” as well.
    heh heh heh

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  28. Yoda says:

    the female customer let it drop after I told her to actually read some of their (mgtow men’s) stories before judging them and their anger. She said she had no real interest in doing so, and stopped asking about it.

    Ignorance bliss it would be.
    Until it is not.

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  29. Tarnished says:

    Cill & Moe,

    “Unicorn rare” sounds like ordering a medium rare steak…with edible glitter on it. One of you omnivore types needs to request this next time you’re at a steakhouse! 😀

    Yoda,
    Honestly it just seemed sad. I wanted to say “So you’re perfectly comfortable talking about how ‘irrationally’ angry and frustrated these men are, but you aren’t willing to find out why they’re like that?”

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  30. Cill says:

    ‘”Unicorn rare” sounds like ordering a medium rare steak…with edible glitter on it’

    I’ll have shoulder-hunch steak please, done unicorn rare with pikelet crumb glitter

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  31. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I know why Spawny’s happy with this thread. We’re discussing foundational MGTOW issues.

    It has been put forth that modern marriage can be seen as situation wherein men are duped for their resources.It never would have stood for millenia if that were true. However, currently, the reality of this conclusion is inescapable. It kind of kills the incentive for men to enter into it.

    Tarn,
    You had a question about the mother. Her primary needs are being met. Ambitions for her offspring would be secondary in importance.

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  32. Yoda says:

    Time for bear video it might be

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  33. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    That is not how maternal instincts are supposed to work… 😦

    Instead of she-wolves defending and rearing their pups, we have teacup poodles prancing around in bejeweled collars while others bottle feed their young.

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  34. Yoda says:

    Ambitions for her offspring would be secondary in importance.

    True here this would be.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-20/cairns-mother-of-children-arrested-for-murder/5980826

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  35. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    While it’s not a bear video, it is pertinent. This is thunderfOOt’s take on rape culture and it includes the Univ. of Va. hoax.

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  36. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    This may be more of what Yoda had in mind for a bear video. Mama Bear doing as she should.

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  37. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I have to thank Spawny Get for getting me addicted to Sandman on youtube. This was yewsterday’s video that youtube took down. I don’t think the fembots did it. Online dating, as an inustry, is woth billions. The greater portion of this video tells it like it is for guys.

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  38. Spawny Get says:

    Shock news via twitter
    “BREAKING: Cambodian dictator Pol Pot “might have had mental health issues,” NY Times reports.”

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  39. Moehau Man says:

    Spawny 7:57 pm
    Mwahahahaha!
    Well whadda ya know, Hitler might’ve had a couple of issues too

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  40. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, “yewsterday’s”. Most people have the decency of speaking to me before ripping the piss out of my accent.

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  41. Yoda says:

    Prefer Bear to Hot Chick videos.
    What this means I know not.

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  42. Spawny Get says:

    Perhaps register at hot wookies-r-us?

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  43. Spawny Get says:

    Bottom right of the new header logo is ‘Farmer Palmer’ BTW. Case you were wondering.

    Fuzzie next, I reckon 😉

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  44. Tarnished says:

    Better wookies than ewoks, I suppose…

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  45. Yoda says:

    More compromising pictures of Fuzzie you do have?

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  46. Spawny Get says:

    That’s an interesting alternative to what I had in mind…Cheers.

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  47. Moehau Man says:

    Well, Camels make a sound of agony or ecstasy (hard to decide which) when rising from or lowering themselves to a lying position. Unlike any other quadrupeds I’ve seen, they can have sex in a stretched-out lying position, including half way between mish and dog.

    Anyway, on the paradise stroke they make those same loud braying sounds.

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  48. Spawny Get says:

    Happy Solstice, Tarn.

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  49. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    The video with the hot chicks is worth watching. A contibutor asks Sandman excellent questions about online dating that are less than complimentary to the industry. Given what that guy laid out, it is a wonder that any man bothers.
    It is my contention that online dating is contributing a lot to hypergamy and undercutting men’s sense of worth, big time.
    People in this industry only care about producing revenue. They don’t give two figs for selling a working product.

    I did think about linking the Green Lady from Star Trek to brighten up your day.
    Couldn’y resist.

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  50. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    I know why you like the bear videos. I only link bears doing wholesome activities.

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  51. Moehau Man says:

    Anyway, as I was saying, the voice of the wookie sounds like a camel’s voice to me. Any of you foreign blokes in a wookie hot shop can expect to have that strange sound bellowing in your ears. It’s as impenetrable as the fart of a lion, if you ask me.

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  52. Tarnished says:

    Thanks, Spawny.

    Doing my Yule and Xmas shopping right now. Mom and I are Pagan, and my sisters/brother are Christian…luckily, Yule and Xmas are on the same day. 😉

    Oh, and my little brother will definitely be here for the holidays! There was some concern he’d still be in Afghanistan, but it turns out he’ll be home. ❤

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  53. Spawny Get says:

    Good news, glad to hear it.

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  54. blurkel says:

    @Yoda 21 December, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    Daughter does recognize not?

    One does. She’s in no hurry to date at this time.

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  55. blurkel says:

    @Cill 21 December, 2014 at 2:19 pm

    Typos could be edited?

    I suppose so. I’m new at this, so I’ll have to learn.

    What does your wife think of this result?

    I believe she’s completely oblivious to this condition. She keeps telling my sons all those traditional “When you get married” wishes grandmotherly types all have. My sons have tired of trying to explain to her why they aren’t in any hurry to get there.

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  56. Tarnished says:

    Blurkel,

    Just curious…would you be upset if said daughter remained single, as your sons likely will?

    In my own family, my mother doesn’t care if I don’t have a husband (though she tells my younger sisters it’s their best course of action), but it was a source of much gnashing of teeth last time I spoke to my biological father. He was actually angry that I don’t want to “give him grandchildren”, which I think is an odd way to look at having children or not.

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  57. blurkel says:

    @Cill 21 December, 2014 at 2:48 pm

    Does it worry her that her own performance as a married woman might be a factor in her sons now being essentially MGTOW?

    She knows that things aren’t what she would like in her relationship with me, but she doesn’t take criticism well. It’s all my fault, you know.

    @Cill 21 December, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    …or might she be relieved that her sons as MGTOW would be spared the hellish sort of relationship their father had with their mother?

    She doesn’t see her role in why our relationship is broken. Therefore, as my mother did with my father, my sons are expected to NOT do as I did, but to do as she SAYS if they expect to live happily ever after. My sons are astute enough not to believe that fairy tale.

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  58. Yoda says:

    I believe she’s completely oblivious to this condition.

    My Jedi Powers still strong they are.
    Predict “oblivious” I did.

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  59. blurkel says:

    @FuzzieWuzzie 21 December, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    It has been put forth that modern marriage can be seen as situation wherein men are duped for their resources. It never would have stood for millenia if that were true.

    As stated, this is too simple to be true. The reality is more complex.

    For centuries, men received a great deal of satisfaction from marriage, provided they held all the power. This did not sit well with women all the time. But as women didn’t have many other options in life until roughly the end of WWI, they sought to make the best deal they could. They ended up doing two things: raising their daughters to seek changes in social values denied to themselves so the daughters could have more control over their lives (as I propose men now do with their sons) and taking total control of the household activities, something the men really wanted no part of. The old stereotype of being met at the door and handed the pipe and slippers as he walked through the door at the end of the day was not uncommon.

    It was wanting more that inspired women to push for changes, yet men didn’t support those changes. Without male input, there was an over-correction, and the opportunists took advantage for their own gain. Laws were changed to reflect these new realities (and to white knight these liberated females), and the rest I wrote about above.

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  60. Cill says:

    Thank you for answering my questions, Blurkel. I’m sorry to say, none of your answers surprise me. We have here an egocentric woman.

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  61. blurkel says:

    @Tarn 21 December, 2014 at 11:51 pm

    Just curious…would you be upset if said daughter remained single, as your sons likely will?

    No, I won’t. It’s her life to live, not mine. Her sister has already provided grandkids (her choice), so there is no need to be pushy. while they all like thier neice and nephew, none of the others are in a hurry to be parents themselves. Only their mother really cares, and she regularly makes comments intended to gently push in that direction. I watch silently as they act contrary to her desires.

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Blurkel, I can’t find the ‘change author’ control via my kindle browser, so tomorrow I’ll spin up a PC and do it on that. After that you’ll be able to edit the post for corrections and updates. The interface is pretty easy.

    Thanks again for the post, as you can see you have started a conversation that is well worth having. You and Cautiously Pessimistic both describe your realities with dignity in order to save the next man. A very worthy motive.

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  63. blurkel says:

    It’s always about her wants and needs, Brother Cill – as it was with our mothers, and with our grandmothers, etc.

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  64. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    blurkel,
    It worked before and now, it doesn’t. Fixing it is going to take a lot. As long as women percieve that the changes have advantaged them, there will be a lot of reluctance to relinquish.

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  65. Cill says:

    The talk about grandchildren reminds me of a situation I find strange, like a dull ending. I know it’s no big deal to be childless in this day and age. It’s just that in all of my maternal grandmother’s family since time immemorial, I’m the only one who won’t have children. I’m not talking about all branches of ancestry, obviously, but the recorded branch. All of my living relatives have already had their first child by their early 20s, or intend to have children but haven’t yet reached their early 20s. I’m the only exception. Maybe it’s in my genes to feel strange about it.

    Anyway, I’m straying from topic.

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  66. Spawny Get says:

    I don’t think you’re straying from topic at all. You’re bringing up the mirror set of issues.

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  67. Farm Boy says:

    New post is up

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  68. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night, Spawny!

    Cill,
    There are quite a few “died without issue” in my family tree. The ones urging you to this have to be reminded that we need a good partner.

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  69. Spawny Get says:

    Related – let’s fix society by taxing men into marriage.
    https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2014/12/21/the-unworkable-bachelor-tax/

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  70. Farm Boy says:

    I feel as bad for my parents as I do for me that I did not have any children.

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  71. Cill says:

    let’s fix society by taxing men into marriage slavery

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  72. Cill says:

    Blurkel, you blame the industrial revolution for male ignorance of the pitfalls of marriage. I agree. You also say, in effect, that mothers have failed to fill the gaps left by the absent fathers. Centuries have passed, and still mothers are failing to inform their sons – perhaps more than ever. In view of this, do you think the failure by mothers is deliberate? Also, do you think fathers have ever deliberately failed daughters?

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  73. blurkel says:

    “… there will be a lot of reluctance to relinquish.”

    Quite so, Fuzzie. Women will have to go through what men went through as relinquishing privileges became the norm 100 years ago.

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  74. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    Enslave the men and put the women on pedestals.
    It may be Ok for a day or two as a joke, not as a permanent arrangement. It won’t take too long for the men to resent it.

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  75. blurkel says:

    “Maybe it’s in my genes to feel strange about it.”

    I don’t think so, Cill. You are just the Stranger in a Strange Landscape of family breeders. Those who go their own way risk being tripped up by recognizing this difference, especially since biologically we are hard wired to be tribal. The discomfort comes from our inate fear of doing the wrong thing, especially when we tread on unfamiliar ground. But someone has to risk falling off the edge of the Earth to discover a new world. It’s the only way progress can be achieved.

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  76. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    blurkel,
    They’ll have to relinquish but, before they do, they’ll have to know what happens if they don’t.
    They’ll have to agree that the status quo doesn’t work and, if we persist, it’ll ruin civilization.
    They’ll have to be sold on it.

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  77. blurkel says:

    “…do you think the failure by mothers is deliberate? Also, do you think fathers have ever deliberately failed daughters?”

    On mothers: I believe I said as much, Cill. But it’s not like it’s something women actively think about. It’s heading is How Things Have Always Been – OR ELSE! I’ve never gotten a woman to openly discuss this, but I’m sure deep down they all understand that their way of life depends upon their control over men in the domestic sphere.

    On fathers: Constantly! The reasons vary, and can be defensive. But when I was growing up, I heard the most incredible tales about the fathers of young women, including at least one who tried to murder his daughter for not growing up the way he desired of her. What greater failure can a parent commit on a child than this?

    Look at all of the angst being suffered onver in Cairns tonight. Look at how people talk about this murdering mother. The level of intensity is something that few men ever achieve in their crimes, yet it does happen.

    Granted, murder isn’t the only way a parent can fail a child.

    I would talk with young women, and they might talk about their dad. Sometimes, she’d then say, “He’s not really my dad. I just call him that.” Generally, she’d agree that he’d earned that honor. It makes one wonder what the real father did to be replaced in her mind like that. There was some kind of failure.

    Hope your questions are answered.

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  78. blurkel says:

    @Fuzzie

    You may well be proven correct, my friend. I just don’t have much hope that a clamity will be avoided before the reality sets in.

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  79. blurkel says:

    It won’t take too long for the men to resent it.

    I think we already reached that stage, Fuzzie, or else MGTOW and other reactions wouldn’t be so evident.

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  80. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    blurkel,
    I don’t know what the calamity would be. At preesent, it’s going to get more difficult for women to find a mate. This may be behind #womenagainstfeminism.

    Women who can appreciate men’s biological imperative should be scared witless about MGTOW. I have seen more than one woman admit that whilemen may want women, women NEED men.
    That feminists pass it off as the ravings and excuses of basement dwellers doesn’t tell it all.

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  81. Spawny Get says:

    Gotta love Blurkel’s typing error, a great new word.

    What do you get when feminists rule the roost? A clamity.

    Lol.

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  82. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Hey, Blurkel. Can’t find the post now, but y’all were discussing my post earlier. As far as I’m concerned, we’ve got no beef. Just different experiences, and/or different goals.

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  83. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    And to Spawny, my marriage doesn’t mean nothing, just doesn’t mean what it should. No offense taken.

    [SG- Sorry, I didn’t mean to cause the offense that you generously didn’t take. Thanks again for putting your views out there]

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  84. blurkel says:

    @CP

    I don’t recall setting up a beef or a contest with your comments. Spawny, who knows my past, asked me to add my experiences to the discussion.

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  85. Spawny Get says:

    The reason I posted both was that I believe you are both honest about your positions and experiences. I also believe that neither of you are in unique positions, you are speaking to people, most of which only read without commenting. You are both good men who find yourselves in bad situations.

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  86. Yoda says:

    You are both good men who find yourselves in bad situations.

    Happens often this does.
    Sad it is.
    Many men have their Degaba it seems.

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  87. sfcton says:

    Not sure if this was listed/ mentioned yet but….

    Women have a vested interest in their sons failing in the smp/ mmp. If a son is successful, he will have less resources(time, money, attention etc) for her. If she builds a beta who is paid well but cannot get laid/ reproduce etc she gets to monopolize his resources (time, money, attention etc)

    I think most women want their sons to fail int he smp/mmp. This is not their overt operating system, but their covert operating system. Women lie to themselves much more then they lie to men/ the outside world.

    Its a rare woman who is actually good for her son; actually its a rare woman who is good for her children but that’s not what we are discussing right now.

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  88. Yoda says:

    I think most women want their sons to fail in the smp/mmp.

    Grandchildren she might want.
    Daughters provide this they might.

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  89. sfcton says:

    do they want grandkids or access to more resources?

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  90. blurkel says:

    @Yoda

    Or Hoth or Alderan. Nothing like iciness or total obliteration to get the old systems racing.

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  91. blurkel says:

    @sfcton

    Well said! I hinted in that direction, but you stated it better than I would have if I’d focused on that issue.

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  92. blurkel says:

    @sfcton

    “do they want grandkids or access to more resources?”

    With two sons in that situation right now, my observations tell me she wants both grandkids and control over the sons’ lives, as long as neither has a woman in his life. She gets her resources from me. Nothing lights her up more than to know that I’m bringing home more than expected for some reason. That got old a long time ago.

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  93. sfcton says:

    While not funny…. LOL wants her ! Me ans to eat it too. Typical woman

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