Our Future?

From Wikipedia (John C Calhoun)

In the early 1960s, the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) acquired property in a rural area outside Poolesville, Maryland. The facility that was built on this property housed several research projects, including those headed by Calhoun. It was here that his most famous experiment, the mouse universe, was created.  In July 1968 four pairs of mice were introduced into the Utopian universe. The universe was a 9-foot (2.7 m) square metal pen with 54-inch-high (1.4 m) sides. Each side had four groups of four vertical, wire mesh “tunnels.” The “tunnels” gave access to nesting boxes, food hoppers, and water dispensers. There was no shortage of food or water or nesting material. There were no predators. The only adversity was the limit on space.

Initially the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly. The last surviving birth was on day 600. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against. After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed “the beautiful ones.”

The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population.

Calhoun saw the fate of the population of mice as a metaphor for the potential fate of man. He characterized the social breakdown as a “second death,” with reference to the “second death” mentioned in the Biblical book of Revelation 2:11 His study has been cited by writers such as Bill Perkins as a warning of the dangers of the living in an “increasingly crowded and impersonal world.”

From Wikipedia (Behavioral_sink)

Controversy exists over the implications of the experiment (the mouse experiment). Psychologist Jonathan Freedman’s experiment recruited high school and university students to carry out a series of experiments that measured the effects of density on behavior. He measured their stress, discomfort, aggression, competitiveness, and general unpleasantness. He declared to have found no appreciative negative effects in 1975. Researchers argued that “Calhoun’s work was not simply about density in a physical sense, as number of individuals-per-square-unit-area, but was about degrees of social interaction.”

In the last post, we learned about learned helplessness and the parallels with modern men.  To summarize, learned helplessness comes from a sense that no matter what one does, the outcome is random (and mostly bad).  Looking at the above experiment, we see that the males withdrew among themselves completely (MMGTOW Male Mice Going Their Own Way) after day 600.  This was after the social order broke down.  Before this time, the social order was under stress, and the male mice probably learned that no matter what they did, things seems fruitless with respect to fitting into the social order (fighting did not seem to work, and neither did passivity).  This appears to be learned helplessness in action.

As for the female mice, what did they do as social order was breaking down?  That would be, expulsion of young before weaning was complete, along with generally aggressive behavior.  This really does not seem to be effective maternal behavior.  Why would they do it?  It is as if they were not really mothers, but females in the strict sense of the term (those that bear the young).  I am at a loss to explain such behavior, but we see equivalents among modern day women.

Now consider the last excerpt from Wikipedia.  The researcher suggests that the independent variable is not so much population density, as it is breakdown of social structure.  Think about that for a moment.

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72 comments on “Our Future?
  1. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    You are starting to scare me. While I have heard of this, I always attributed it to population density and we are no where near what those mice had to suffer. In no case did the rodents recover. That is what is scaring me.


  2. Yoda says:

    Bears should be scared not.
    Bears survive they will.


  3. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I hope these silly humans can turn this around. I like the idea of stealing picnic baskets.

    Liked by 1 person

  4. Liz says:

    It frightens me as well, Fuzzie.
    Interesting, very sobering stuff, Farmboy.


  5. Spawny Get says:

    I wouldn’t say that I had ‘learned helplessness’, more learned ‘keeping your powder dry until such a time as actions will have a positive impact’ (now that may not happen within the time I choose to be around, that’s true). And finding other things to do in the meantime.

    Trad cons who are still pushing the ‘real men’ and ‘man up’ lines, when they realise that the increasing numbers of MGTOWs aren’t listening? They’re the ones in more trouble, I think. MGTOWs are far more grounded in reality, they tend not to have impossible holy missions to fulfill.

    Femeroids, I reckon, tend to have mental issues in the first place. Have no real grip on reality to lose. These people will need a lot of medication and secure housing if they ever lose their narrative…and they are losing their narrative right now (Dung’em and UVA are great examples of this).

    Take a step back from worrying about society, it’s not within your powers to save. Make yourselves a life and wait to see if an opportunity comes up to make a difference to people you care about (yourself being #1) and at that point decide whether you wish to do something. Society doesn’t owe you anything, society will throw you in a cage to rot if it suits their purpose (divorced fathers and husbands in a life spiral of debtors prison, unempolyment, debtor’s prison, in the States, for example).

    Make peace with yourself, go find something to enjoy doing.

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  6. Spawny Get says:

    Sandman – Mouse Utopia Experiment – MGTOW


  7. Spawny Get says:

    Added a video to the end of the post

    Thanks for another great post


  8. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I was feeling down until I saw this. This argument has to get out in the open. The video is based on the Sexodus posts from Breitbart.


  9. Yoda says:

    I was feeling down

    Sad this is.
    Engage in enjoyable hobby you should.


  10. Yoda says:

    I wouldn’t say that I had ‘learned helplessness’, more learned ‘keeping your powder dry until such a time as actions will have a positive impact’

    Approach similar to mine it is.
    To Degabah you i do welcome.

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  11. Cill says:

    Count me in too Yoda, with you and me old Limey free state!


  12. Cill says:

    I wouldn’t mind betting everyone will wonder, who is the equivalent the “beautiful ones”? In my mind the Sōshoku danshi (“grass eaters”) of Japan are the leading candidates. I have more information to share about this.

    [SG – anytime you have a post… I’d love to hear more]

    [SG – Don’t know why but this hit the spam filter. One of my first two false positives. If it happens again, please let me know. I am starting to get some spam, sooner or later I’m going to miss a real comment that has been caught up]


  13. Cill says:

    In my catch-up reading I stumbled upon “Call-Me-North-Pole-Pengiun-Dave” lol
    Out of the mouths of bimbos cuzzies…

    So is anyone left alive in the land of Call-Me-North-Pole-Pengiun-Dave?


  14. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    While tis may belong on another thread, it may be lost. Dalrock chimes in on Freddie deBoer’s defense of rape culture.


    Why do I have the terrible feeling that this will all blow over?


  15. Cill says:

    I wonder where Spawny got to. Anyone know?


  16. Liz says:

    “I wonder where Spawny got to. Anyone know?”

    Maybe he’s busy writing checks!
    I paid all of our bills today because it’s 12/13/14 and I like writing that (12/12/12 was the most fun though, of course…well, as fun as paying bills can get).


  17. Liz says:

    Of course, most everyone here probably no longer writes checks…Molly may have never even heard of them!


  18. Liz says:

    Oh, nevermind I forgot Spawny did that backwards thing…and writing 13/12/14 is no fun at all.
    I’m out of ideas.

    Liked by 1 person

  19. Cill says:

    Here it’s 12/14/14, except in UK and here it’s DD/MM/YYYY (14/12/14).
    I hope Spawny is okay. He and I were both looking forward to a chat here today. This is not like him at all.

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  20. Yoda says:

    Comment at Dalrock’s this it says

    I’m starting to wonder if feminist believing men are so eager to rape women is actually just projection.

    The “ah ha” moment came reading an article (sorry, can’t remember the link), where someone had said a fraternity had set up a “rape room,” so members could have a private place to take a woman and rape her during the party. Huh? A group of men planned this?

    Pornography consumed by men is notably devoid of rape fantasies. In fact, it’s notably devoid of violent sexual fantasies period. Bondage and S&M are such a small segment of men’s pornography that you can make the case that it’s an aberrant fetish for men.

    On the other hand, rape fantasizes–violent rape fantasies–are so common in women’s pornography that it’s fair to say they are the bread-and-butter of women’s sexual fantasies.

    Exploration fruitful it may be.


  21. Padawan says:

    The raping sex don’t want to do it
    The raped sex attract themselves to it
    the feminists scream
    It’s not just a dream
    And make men all bow down and rue it.


  22. Liz says:

    “Here it’s 12/14/14, except in UK and here it’s DD/MM/YYYY (14/12/14).
    I hope Spawny is okay. He and I were both looking forward to a chat here today. This is not like him at all.”

    Oh no.
    I hope he’s okay. 😦


  23. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda and Padawan,
    What was it that C3PO said? Oh yes, “I’m so confused.”


  24. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny is probably Ok. He does have a life beyond the internet.
    Spawny, when you see this, would you clarify?


  25. Padawan says:

    A tin homo was C3PO,
    And Swithuns a tin hetero,
    Ned Kelly too was
    In the land of Oz
    While fembots have all gone lezzo.


  26. Yoda says:

    Probably doing Sith things he is.
    Tarn Maul like a padawan she is.

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  27. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    In your link to what happened at Moo U, it’s obvious that they will not let go of “rape culture” and they will defend the lies that it is based on.
    It’s going to be ugly for a while.


  28. Yoda says:

    what happened at Moo U

    Fond memories of Moo U I have.
    Green they are because me they honor.


  29. Cill says:

    Not sure what you mean by Tarn Maul there, Yoda. Obscure code from The Force perhaps.

    Liked by 1 person

  30. Spawny Get says:

    Just busy yesterday. Was watching comments until I went out sociamalising, I didn’t see much commenting. I arsumed you were busy catching up elsewhere. Gimme six or seven hours of sleep and I’ll be bach, boyo. (Welsh joke)


  31. Yoda says:

    Darth Maul this would be.
    Model for Tarn Maul he is.


  32. Cill says:

    That’s okay Spawny, I actually slept in for the first time in my life. Get some more kip me old troy weight!


  33. Yoda says:

    Treat feminists as Yarael Poof was one should


  34. Padawan says:

    Yankees make “hoof” sound like “houff”
    Sort of like dogs saying “rouff”
    In Yorkshire they’d say
    Let’s squat right away
    With our arse on the Feminist poof


  35. Yoda says:

    From Dalrock’s this is.
    “Sex is sex” lesson would be

    We know that many women project their thoughts and desires on men. Or they imitate men and think that should make themselves attractive to men. So women who like emotional porn tend to fantasize about being dominated, then they think most men want to rape, that’s just projection on their part.

    Feminists insist that men rape women to gain control of or dominance over women. This illustrates Feminism projecting female sexuality onto men. It is women who see sex as a means of control. Men see sex as sex.

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  36. Yoda says:

    In Yorkshire they’d say
    Let’s squat right away
    With our arse on the Feminist poof

    Yorkshire pudding this would be?


  37. Padawan says:

    A dumpling it is


  38. Yoda says:

    Brown pudding perhaps it is?
    Cheap substitute for black pudding it would be.


  39. Cill says:

    Yes Yoda that Dalrock is it mate. The crux of the whole damn thing. Stupid women, but at least they are now explained.


  40. Padawan says:

    Jedi might throttle black ones
    Most of us just drop browns


  41. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    In the old days actors were expected to know how to handle a sword. It was a matter of safety. Tyrone Power and Basil Rathbone took it seriously.


  42. Padawan says:

    Maybe a brown-eye dumpling
    Or Maybe a Yorkshire Pudding
    Poofs dented by buttockses
    Generate suffixes
    Sounding like ding or ling


  43. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    From your “Sex is sex” comment, wouldn’t be easier, and more accurate, for the fembots to simply ask men what they think?


  44. Cill says:

    I’m going to repeat it (a) because I like the sound of my own voice and (b) because it’s f*cking true:
    Yes Yoda that Dalrock is it mate. The crux of the whole damn thing. Stupid women, but at least they are now explained.

    “fembots to simply ask men what they think” won’t happen because (1) they’re too damn stupid (2) they’d be doing themselves out of a job.


  45. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Why won’t the fembots ask men what they think? That men would tell them the truth when asked a direct question is beyond their ability to consider.
    Poor fembots!


  46. Yoda says:

    Why won’t the fembots ask men what they think?

    Jedi training they have not.
    On second thought it would matter not.


  47. Padawan says:

    On your third thought Master Yoda
    You’d already be 3 thoughts past a feminist.


  48. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    When I saw “bear sex tape”, my interest was naturally piqued. Ugh!
    As for fembots not asking men, that is their loss. Why do they have to make things more complicated than they need be?


  49. Cill says:

    “Why do [fembots] have to make things more complicated than they need be?”
    Fuzzy Bear knows why already. Bears know these things.


  50. Padawan says:

    Wiser by far
    Than humans Bears are


  51. Padawan says:

    In all of nature’s peculiar strains
    Nothing’s more stupid than the one with most brains


  52. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Those wacky feminists! If they put as much energy into finding and keeping a mate as they do making things more complicated for others, they would be very busy with no time to be unhappy.


  53. Padawan says:

    The most totally simple straight forward bacterium
    Doesn’t have human self-extincting delerium


  54. Padawan says:

    Male company I prefer though straight I am
    In all respects woman falls short of man

    The only exception is of course sex
    But who’d wanna have it with man-hating wrecks?


  55. Cill says:

    Seems time zones constrain us ro miss each other. Goodnight


  56. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Both i and Spawny seem to hit it at about midnight in our time zones.
    When you find this, I hope that you slept well.

    Sex with a man hating shrew doesn’t sound like a whole lot of fun.
    Those wacky feminists!


  57. Cill says:

    I do untypical things when I’ve got jet lag, that’s for sure. Those last comments of mine last night? I can’t remember typing them. The jet lag’s still like a tight hat on my head. Not even a hangover can affect me like this.


  58. Spawny Get says:

    Looks like you got some hours in. Cool. I had a few last night, been a slow day…


  59. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Get some sleep if you feel tired. I do remember what it was like to change shifts and it took about two weeks to get into it.


  60. Yoda says:

    “Those were not the statistics you were looking for”
    Evil patriarchy messed them up they say.


  61. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    They are attempting dmage control in the wake of the Rolling Stone disaster.


    While people are getting tired of this foolisjmess, they’re not ready. This will blow over.


  62. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    I don’t like being the focused object of someone else’s hate. I don’t see a way to fight this. It does seem as if the only option for men is to withdraw.


  63. Spawny Get says:

    Yep, I think that’s a powerful and accurate video. When men understand that, many more will reject the pedestalisation of wimminz. You can’t argue it with women, women have to be hurting because the men aren’t there, work out themselves that men aren’t ebul, and maybe drop the fembot hate of men. Maybe.

    I don’t think women have ever really loved men, they’re jealous of men…is my humble guess. But at least they might drop the hatred. Until they do? Keep safe, look after yourself, have fun.


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