Except I Really Don’t Care…


Over on Farm Boy’s previous post, Spawny left this comment;

Maybe Tarn can tell us how many times women tried that (shutting someone out) on her as punishment, only to be horrified that Tarn didn’t give a damn. I reckon it’ll be a lot.

Sadly, he’s right. The amount of times I can recall girls attempting to get me to give up my frame of self to fit their needs borders on the obscene. They did this in a myriad of ways, but the basic steps were always the same;

Cajoling
This is the first step in the program to get someone back into the herd. When a member becomes too individualized, you approach in a small group…maybe about 2 or 3 girls. Try to appeal to their sense of group-think. Remind them who their “true friends” are, how it’s “us against them”, perhaps even admit that slight (read: no lasting) compromises can be made so the individual feels better rejoining the group. Usually this will work. If not, there’s always…

Cold Shouldering
If the individual isn’t convinced to cave in by using sweet words, cut off all communication. In a school setting this means giving single word responses if you’re doing a project together, or even telling the teacher that you can’t work together and requesting a partner switch. Outside of class, get the rest of the group to shun the individual. If you are very popular, this could even mean you have the ability to get an entire bus to stop talking to the individual…even if you don’t ride that particular route yourself. After about a week of this, slowly begin talking to the individual a little more, using the Cajoling step if necessary to remind them of how things used to be. 99% of the time, this treatment will have worn down the individual to the point where they’ll gladly rejoin the herd just to have someone to talk to again. This step may be combined with minor physical bullying like tripping the individual in the hall, stealing their books and playing keep-away til they cry from sheer frustration, yanking on their backpack so they fall in the dirt outside, and the like. Be sure to leave no marks bigger than small bruises so that teachers won’t be quick to get involved.

Threats
Should your individual prove to be in that 1% who is particularly stubborn, feel free to break out the big guns. Girls tend to share a lot of sensitive personal information with each other as a form of bonding and indicators of trust. Break those bonds and use this to your advantage. Tell the individual that they risk having some powerful secrets exposed if they don’t get their act together. Slowly let out semi-embarrassing secrets, then move on to bigger ones if need be. It’s a good idea to talk loudly about the individual every time you pass each other in the hallway, even if this means changing the topic mid-sentence. Of course, if the individual was of the more introverted type or not actually friends with you to begin with, you may not have that much dirt on them. In which case…

Rumors
Just make up shit. It doesn’t really matter if the stories you spread around don’t make much sense or can be easily refuted by anyone talking to the individual…At this point, nobody worth your spit is speaking to them anyway. The only people left for the individual to hang out with are the losers of the Popular Game. Don’t worry, your wayward individual will soon crack and rejoin your way of thinking. If not, then they obviously belong in with the losers and aren’t worth your time.
Either way, you can call it a “win” for you and your group.

The above steps are what was used on me in 6th grade when I refused to follow the herd, and actually stood up for a boy, Nick, that was being mercilessly taunted by some popular girls and their boyfriends. Unfortunately for my tormenters, I didn’t give a damn about their so-called punishments at that point. I’d already concluded…based on prior bullying in younger grades…that I had been born with a scarlet D on my chest, and was Different than other girls. But by actively defending their prey, I’d gone from being “The Weird Girl” to “The Weird Girl Who Doesn’t Know Her Place”.

Too bad for them my bullies in my prior school (and my father/stepfather at home) were much better at their “job” and I had developed some spectacular coping mechanisms. It also helped that I honestly thought their attempts at controlling my behavior were some of the dumbest/most juvenile actions I’d ever seen. Nick and I became friends, I introduced him to my rag-tag group of goths, geeks, nerds, and socially odd friends, and we got through middle school and half of high school very well indeed.

In a nice showing of karma in action, I saw the head “popular girl” at a school reunion a few months ago. She is no longer a skinny, dolled up, picture perfect wannabe model…Now she is a 250+ pound, unhappily single, still childless (she always wanted a big family), divorced cosmetician whose smoking and partying habits have made her look 10 years older than she really is. When the manosphere talks about women “hitting the wall” at age 30, I generally disregard it. After all, I’m 30, and though I don’t like my feminine body, I have to admit it looks quite good. But it’s now quite obvious that they are talking about women who have utterly let themselves go…much like Nick’s/my former bully. Perhaps instead of her focusing on the perceived faults of others, she should have taken a closer look at her own life.

There’s a moral here, for those willing to acknowledge it, eh?

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156 comments on “Except I Really Don’t Care…
  1. Spawny Get says:

    Different age / different country / different body but I think my reaction to everything above would have been the same (well…not the Goth bit – I’m olde, I remember the REAL Goths, Gepids, Vandals, and Burgundians…rough crowd. Me an’ my mate Jordanes used to talk about ’em back in the 6th century (I was his original source))

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  2. Spawny Get says:

    Anyone want to buy a, slightly pre-owned, Golden Glittery Reindeer? It followed me home from the local shops

    deernapping

    (slight O/T)

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  3. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks to you (Tarn), Farm Boy and myself, we have had a veritable Spawnucopeia of posts in the last day, or so. Cheers all and the commenters.

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  4. Farm Boy says:

    Once one realizes that they are not part of the herd, and never will be, then all power is lost. Tormentors should remember this. But they are probably not the brightest of the bunch.

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  5. Yoda says:

    Now she is a 250+ pound, unhappily single, still childless (she always wanted a big family), divorced cosmetician whose smoking and partying habits have made her look 10 years older than she really is.

    Not a good path to large family this is.

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  6. Spawny Get says:

    Got a fancy dress outfit suggestion for you Tarn…
    ledercorn

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  7. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Goths??? Here are the real ones that Spawny was referring to.

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  8. Spawny Get says:

    That’s not a Goth, Fuzzie. It’s a bloke with a strange haircut and dodgy beard. Education these days…

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  9. Tarnished says:

    Indeed we have! I’m sorry that I’ve been neglectful of my commenting and posting “duties” as of late…I have a few hours to myself today before my shift so am trying to remedy that.

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  10. Tarnished says:

    @Farm Boy
    They generally aren’t.
    Probably why they stole my homework too…

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  11. Tarnished says:

    Indeed, Yoda.
    It was really quite a shock to see how far she had fallen. Were she not such a horrible person to me and mine at a younger age, I might have been moved to console her and offer advice…

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  12. Farm Boy says:

    Fancy dress

    As a translation service to non-Brits, “fancy dress” does not mean “dress up”. Rather it means “wear a costume of something that you are not”.

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  13. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks Farm Boy, I wasn’t aware that there was an issue there. Kids on Halloween wear fancy dress then go aggressive begging from their neighbours (a charming colonial custom that we imported because…commercial profit). We already had ‘penny for the guy’ for Fireworks Night / Guy Fawke’s, which was similar but without the threats of criminal damage that you lot so love. 😉

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  14. Tarnished says:

    Lol, I’m glad Farm Boy translated for everyone. I was a tad confuzzled…

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  15. Tarnished says:

    Ah! I just saw you retweeted my new post about whether hostility is needed to keep male spaces safe. You didn’t have to do that…Thank you. 😀

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  16. Spawny Get says:

    You’re welcome brother

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  17. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    He’s not a Goth. He just talks about them. From watching that program, Rome really abused the Goths.

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  18. Sumo says:

    A few girls in high school tried some of that stuff with me, as I wasn’t lining up to be one of their beta orbiters (this predated the Matrix, so no one had any concept of the red pill, but in retrospect, that was what was going on). It didn’t work out all that well for them, for a few reasons – 1) they weren’t all that popular themselves, so no one really gave a shit what they thought, 2) they would have needed the entire football team in order to bully me, and the football team and I had come to an understanding after I had a “conversation” with one of the linebackers regarding his manners with one of my female cousins, and 3), and really the most relevant reason – that sort of thing simply wasn’t as prevalent ’round these parts. Most of the girls I was to high school with were generally pleasant to be around.

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  19. Tarnished says:

    Hey Sumo. Thanks for telling us your story. Glad to hear you didn’t let those bullies get you down.

    You mentioned that these particular girls weren’t all that popular. Do you think things would’ve been different if they were from the “elite” crowd, or no? I’ll be the first to admit that having popular boys and girls as enemies is quite different than when your average Joe/Jane is.

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  20. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, I just lol’d. Am I messing with you, or you with me? 😉

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  21. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Sumo, nice to see you.

    I reckon I’m too old to have seen this, or too indifferent to have noticed it, or maybe it’s just worse in the States and Statesy cultures?

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  22. Tarnished says:

    Lol. I think you’re each messing with the other…at the same time.

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  23. Tarnished says:

    From talking to other across-the-pond people like your good self, Spawny, it does appear to be a more prevalent issue in the States. Wish I could tell you why…perhaps it has something to do with my fellow Americans reliance on religion to tell them what is moral instead of thinking about it themselves? Tis a thought.

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  24. Spawny Get says:

    Like me?

    People often tell me that I’m unique, or they hope so.

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  25. Tarnished says:

    Heh. As I believe our most recent census showed that only 2% of our population identifies as Agnostic, Atheist, or Non-religious, yes. Precisely like you. I’m not far behind…only about 3% are Pagans. Guess that’s what happens when you’re in a county were 85%+ of the citizens are some form of Christian.

    Not that there’s anything inherently wrong with that. My lover is a Christian, as are some of my siblings, a number of my friends, my boss, and nearly all of my coworkers/customers. They aren’t the crazy type though…

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  26. Spawny Get says:

    I don’t know what the percentages are, but religion just doesn’t come up.

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  27. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    No problem here. It’s just that thinking about what the Romans did to the Goths makes me angry.

    Tarm,
    I never experienced any ot this in high school. That there were only eight five students in my class, sisn’t allow for cliques.

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  28. Tarnished says:

    Spawny,

    You’re so lucky. I could only dream of it being like that here!

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  29. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Peer pressure must be powerful among women. I think it was GirlWritesWhat who said that, while the girl might like the guy well enough, if her friends find fault with him, it’s over before it’s started.
    More head scratching.

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  30. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    Yup, I can definitely see how a small class size would prevent cliques from popping up. My own graduating class was over 300 strong, and that’s obviously just the seniors.

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  31. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    It’s obscenely powerful. I don’t think that individual women have a “hivemind” the way some of the manosphere does, but there is no doubt that women will change their opinions (and possibly their very morals) in order to support Team Woman if the need arises. My sisters and mother are prime examples of this, as they say one thing on Monday then say the opposite on Tuesday depending on who’s in the room with them.

    I used to just sit on the couch half reading/half listening when my mom or sisters had friends their girlfriends over, catching all the discrepancies in their conversations. It was fascinating, to say the least.

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  32. Yoda says:

    I think it was GirlWritesWhat who said that, while the girl might like the guy well enough, if her friends find fault with him, it’s over before it’s started.

    New friends sometimes girls need.

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  33. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn,
    Maybe this all goes back tour beginnings as a species. Women had to work together w, while men could go out and hunt independently. “Team Woman” is pretty powerful stuff. The only thing that can overcome it is loyalty to family.
    I think the conversation just got a little deeper.

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  34. Tarnished says:

    It did indeed.

    Team Woman has, as far as I can ascertain, no twin in men…or at least not to the same extent. The only example I can come up with is that of wartime, when the propaganda machines and politicians whip men and older boys into such a frenzy of patriotism that they will sacrifice themselves for a cause. Yet it takes work to get menfolk to this mindset, whereas it appears to be a natural reaction in girls and women.

    Regarding your factual assertion that women had to get along in vastly different ways than men; I wonder if this is why a very small percentage of ancient men were buried with pots/beads/other feminine items and an equally small percentage of women were buried with hunting gear and armor. Could these be the first “trans” people? Obviously, survival was much harder in those days and a member who didn’t conform to their sex’s typical traits could very well upset the balance…but you also didn’t want to exile a member without good reason. Thus, it seems a male who made a poor hunter but a superior gatherer was allowed to stay with the children and womenfolk, and a female who showed proficiency during the hunts was allowed to use her skills to feed the tribe. As it should be…survival of the fittest cares naught for gender, only for results.

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  35. molly says:

    A girl will be shut out if she is smart and precocious.
    @Tarnished,
    Like the female gladiators of the Roman Empire

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  36. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Molly, welcome aboard

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  37. Sumo says:

    Do you think things would’ve been different if they were from the “elite” crowd, or no?

    Hard to say. As I mentioned above, most of the girls I went to high school with were very pleasant, especially the popular ones. Might have something to do with being Canadian; we’re all such lovely, friendly people, after all. 😀

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  38. Sumo says:

    More likely, it had to do with the fact that this was back in the early 90’s, and the ladies weren’t influenced by as much pop culture teaching them to be uber-bitches.

    Or maybe they were just pleasant to me ’cause I was scary.

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  39. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn,
    Your last comment made me question the maosphere concept tof male disposability. As long as we produce more than we consume, would not the community be the poorer for our loss? I can see dispolability in extreme situations but, not as a matter of course.
    It does seem to be a modern phenomenon.

    One thing to consider about ancient human remains. Very few ancient humans have been found. Our knowledge must be incomplete.

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  40. molly says:

    Hi Spawny,

    Please feel free to email me. 🙂

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  41. Yoda says:

    As long as we produce more than we consume, would not the community be the poorer for our loss?

    Beatles song they wrote.
    “All you need is tingles”

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  42. Tarnished says:

    @Yoda

    Really? I thought it was “All You Need Is Love”…makes more sense that way, imo. 😉

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  43. Yoda says:

    Really? I thought it was “All You Need Is Love”

    Guy perspective that is.
    Women tingles they want.

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  44. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    I think that people have somehow forgotten that in the past, men and women both had to put in full days to make a community or family succeed.

    For example;
    Men bring home the meat, which was high in necessary fats and proteins, but dangerous to hunt and not a reliable source of food until we began working with wolves/wild dogs and started true animal husbandry and herding. Women gathered and grew the local edible flora, which had necessary vitamins and minerals and were easier to obtain, but yielded smaller portions until the advent of true agriculture.

    Both sexes provided incredibly valuable ways to feed the tribe, and worked alongside each other to ensure the success of our species. However, with the amount of technology we have at our disposal nowadays, such truths are steadily becoming “out of sight, out of mind”.

    That is my take on it.

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  45. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly, welcome! Like your avatar.

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  46. Tarnished says:

    I’m afraid I don’t really understand what “tingles” are then. Don’t you typically feel the greatest amount of arousal for the person you love?

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  47. Tarnished says:

    @Sumo

    Scary? If your avatar is you, this description hardly matches…

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  48. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn,
    That they were too busy to fight in the caveman days seems a valid presumption to me.
    Domesticating dogs was the big advance. How did that happen?:)

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  49. Tarnished says:

    Hi Molly.
    Yes, that too. It doesn’t seem to be guys who dislike intelligent females…it’s other girls. Why do you think this is?

    Oh, and welcome. 🙂

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  50. Spawny Get says:

    “Don’t you typically feel the greatest amount of arousal for the person you love?”

    When I see the movie star good looks in the mirror, I can’t help myself *tingles*

    😉

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  51. Tarnished says:

    According to my favorite biologist, Jared Diamond, 6 factors are required to ensure true domestication of a species:

    Omnivorous Diet
    Growth Rate
    Lack of Tendency to Panic
    Ability to be Captive Bred
    Good Disposition
    Family-oriented Social Structure

    I highly recommend reading his book “Guns, Germs, and Steel” if you haven’t already. It’s incredible.

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  52. molly says:

    Spawny Is that all you do in the mirror? Look? 😉

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  53. Tarnished says:

    Now Spawny…self induced tingles are something else altogether. Lol.

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  54. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    If you have trouble understanding tingles, you have company.

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  55. Liz says:

    “In a nice showing of karma in action, I saw the head “popular girl” at a school reunion a few months ago. She is no longer a skinny, dolled up, picture perfect wannabe model…Now she is a 250+ pound, unhappily single, still childless (she always wanted a big family), divorced cosmetician whose smoking and partying habits have made her look 10 years older than she really is.”

    Me too. But, I never went to a school reunion. I’d rather have a paste enema. But the girls who were horrible to me (sixth grade was truly the worst…and the school bus was like a penitentiary on wheels, damn dangerous) started desparately trying to suck up to me around my late 20s. But I don’t go back to my hometown often. I’ve found there’s usually an inverse relationship between high school/middle school “success” and adult success. And it’s a rare popular schoolgirl who ages well.

    “When the manosphere talks about women “hitting the wall” at age 30, I generally disregard it.”
    I looked a lot better in my 30s than my 20s. (and I looked good in my twenties…didn’t undergo any life altering changes, same weight and all that)

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  56. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn,
    Guns, Germs, and Steel is on youtube too.

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  57. molly says:

    Thanks Fuzzy, be my first kiss! (what sound does a kiss make, mMpuh ? 😉

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  58. molly says:

    ” It doesn’t seem to be guys who dislike intelligent females…it’s other girls.”

    Coz they know we don’t care and if they freeze us we got nothing but the guys. 😉

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  59. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    That is a relief!
    Seriously though, the manosphere makes it sound like it’s analogous to getting an erection and/or becoming wet, but the examples they always give are not even arousing situations. So are “tingles” a code word for base physical attraction that has nothing to do with real arousal? Or am I completely off here?

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    Might check out the vid tomorrow, cheers.

    re. Mirror. As long as I keep mirror time under three hours a day, I avoid obsessing over those movie star good looks. (Despite all those authoritative sounding rumours) I am merely human. The cross I bear would cause Atlas to think twice…

    Good night

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  61. Tarnished says:

    What?! I hope they didn’t butcher it…It’s too good of a book to be given a halfway treatment.

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    Oh, hi Liz. Good night Liz.

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  63. Tarnished says:

    Good night, Spawny. Sleep sweet.

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  64. Tarnished says:

    Molly,

    You may just have something there!

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  65. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    I don’t know how to put a kiss into words with letters.Here’s a bear video.

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  66. Liz says:

    Night night Spawny. 🙂

    (Cute bear video, Fuzzie!)

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  67. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    I think I love you a little bit.
    “Not sure about virtual kissing…have a bear instead.” I am laughing so hard right now! 😀

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  68. molly says:

    Tarnished Sure, we put the smart moves on and anything the group can do we can do better! Yay to the minority of one! Lighter, faster, brighter! You know it already coz of your man’s mind. I know it coz I’m a lickety-split bird brain. 😉
    (“Bird” means “Girl”). 😉

    Fuzzie I’d like to take that little bear cub home ‘cept Dog here would swallow him with one gulp. 😦

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  69. Sumo says:

    Yes, Tarn, that’s a pic of me at work. Keep in mind that appearances can be deceiving; I’m told that my demeanor, attitude, and physical capabilities are somewhat frightening to some folks. 😉

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  70. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Now, if I could just figure out how to produce cute bear videos in real life as I do on the internet, I’d be giving Roosh lessons.

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  71. Tarnished says:

    Molly,

    Lol. Now I’ve got that song in my head…
    “Anything you can do, I can do better.
    I can do anything better than you!”
    🙂

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  72. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    Pshaw. You could give him lessons *now*.

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  73. Tarnished says:

    Sumo,

    Now I’m imagining you as some sort of combination of Han Solo, James Bond, and the Dread Pirate Roberts. 😉

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  74. Yoda says:

    Don’t you typically feel the greatest amount of arousal for the person you love?

    One feels the most arousal for the one whom tingles do generate.

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  75. Yoda says:

    Tingles confusing they are not.
    Anticipation of arousal they are.
    Channing Tatum generates them he does.
    Love him only one woman does (hopefully)

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  76. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarn,
    I’m blushing.

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  77. Spawny Get says:

    Great advice for all men. This is where marriage dies. THE defining MGTOW question; WIIFM
    http://www.returnofkings.com/44709/whats-in-it-for-me

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  78. Tarnished says:

    Yoda,

    Wait, so tingles are the anticipation of arousal? What the heck does that entail?

    Channing Tatum, huh?
    Eh, I guess he’s good looking. A bit too much of a pretty boy for my tastes. Now Robert Carlyle, on the other hand…Yes, please. 😉

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  79. Yoda says:

    I’m blushing

    Bears blush they do?

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  80. molly says:

    What’s Roosh when it’s at home, precious? R-r-ooshh! sounds like a beached Orca chasing prey too far on the hard dryness!

    R-r-r-r-r-ooshhh! The sea slides back into itself like p-r-e-c-i-o-u-s… but Roosh doesn’t go with it. He’s R-r-r-ooshed! 😉

    There’s supposed to be a link to red pill girl here? Can’t find it 😦

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  81. Sumo says:

    @Tarn

    Those dudes are all way smoother than I am. Think Jet Li, Jason Vorhees, and Michael Myers.

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  82. Spawny Get says:

    Links page, Bloom

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  83. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn,
    How about this guy?

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  84. Tarnished says:

    @Sumo

    Lol…Jet Li? Alright then.

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  85. Tarnished says:

    @Spawny

    Yeah, he’s cool. He has a nice, friendly looking face when he smiles. I like that.

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  86. Sumo says:

    Well, a 220 lb version of Jet Li who speaks better English. And isn’t Chinese.

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  87. molly says:

    The only tingels Molly gets from R-r-r-o-o-o-o-sh! is –
    R-R-R-A-A-F-F OFF!

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  88. Spawny Get says:

    Has Molly been at the Scooby Snax again? Sounds like it. 😉
    Defo good night all

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  89. molly says:

    How are we to know? We can’t *see* you silly Sumo! 😉

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  90. Sumo says:

    LIEZ!!! We’ve already established that there’s a picture of me right up there ^.

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  91. molly says:

    It’s only half the size of a post stamp and it will not expand when I hover on you! 😦

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  92. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I know what will get Molly’s interest and it’s fortunate because bears feel the same way.
    Sashimi!!! (Raw Salmon)

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  93. Sumo says:

    Sashimi is just raw fish or meat. Salmon is sake. Like the booze, only pronounced slightly differently.

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  94. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Sumo,
    I didn’t know it was that general. Coming from California, whenever it was offered, it ws always salmon. Thanks for the correction.
    In either event, it would make a bottlenose dolphin and a bear very happy.

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  95. molly says:

    I found the Links Redux Page! All links are there.
    I like Salmon and Krill, and sometimes Orca like me! Orca are top of the food chain.

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  96. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    I’m sorry for calling you a bottlenose dolphin,
    You’re an Orca!
    aquatic mammal video.

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  97. molly says:

    Fuzzie, you are forgiven. >

    “The largest measured giant squid, stranded on a New Zealand beach in 1880, stretched nearly 60 feet from the tip of its mantle to the tips of its 40 foot tentacles. It was judged to weigh about a ton. Its eyes, the largest of any animals, were about the size of a person’s head. Experts believe that even larger squid still exists in the Kaikoura Canyon of the South Island of New Zealand.” (http://janesoceania.com/newzealand_kaikoura/index.htm)

    My crazy Coz dives way down in that critter neighbourhood. Brrr (shiver)

    Men, gotta luv ’em. I luv you. I do! I luv your kind and I know some of the best of you. Give me *you* over tingles any day, a touchable huggable man over R-r-r-o-o-o-sh-bag 3_D printout!

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  98. Yoda says:

    Cute bears a girls heart it does win

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  99. molly says:

    Bear is cute but does not this girls heart win! I spoke of men not man. You knew that, Jedi Yoda 😉

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  100. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    That’s enough calamari to feed a whole city. Do you think that Cill has a recipe?

    Yoda,
    Cute bear videos work onj me too.

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  101. molly says:

    You folks will tell me afore ye lapse off in sleep now? ❤

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  102. molly says:

    Fuzzie calamari has double meaning?

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  103. molly says:

    I just wanna be friends, or giant squid? ❤

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  104. Tarnished says:

    Yup. Good night, Molly. 😉

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  105. molly says:

    Sleep just sleep men. xxx

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  106. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    The only meaning for calamari that I am aware of is that it’s squid in Italian.
    It’s beddy-bye time for me.
    It is good that you have joined us.

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  107. molly says:

    “Yup”. I get it.

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  108. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie’s comment from earlier updated to include the link to the 1:49 long video

    Tarn,
    Guns, Germs, and Steel is on youtube too.

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  109. Spawny Get says:

    I watched the three episodes, it was on while I did other things. Not bad. If your political correctness doesn’t allow for evolution of the human brain post the diaspora from Africa, then this series makes a good stab at what’s left. It’s a pity that the money wasted on AGW wasn’t spent on bringing effective aid to the poor nations of the world (IMHO).

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  110. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    About “Guns, Germs, and Steel”, it’s critics consider the premise too simplistic but, it is a good watch and there is something to take away.

    Since todaty is the day before Thanksgiving here in America, it’s time to share this.

    Think I should work on table manners?

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  111. Yoda says:

    Think I should work on table manners?

    Bears like Wookies they are.
    What they want they do.

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  112. Tarnished says:

    Nah, you’re good Fuzzie. My brothers eat like you do, so it must be fine… 😉

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  113. Spawny Get says:

    It was a three hour documentary from NatGeo from ten years back, it was okay as background listening. I think that it’s too idealistic regarding equality, but it wasn’t very heavy handed about it. And unless you start talking about how to deliver aid effectively, it isn’t all that relevant to his story. He just leaves out our adapting to conditions over generations, probably for PC reasons.

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  114. Spawny Get says:

    We had some Thanksgiving related celebrations in Plymouth, Devon, UK recently. Near the Mayflower Steps (from which I’ve gone diving in the past). The place where the guys regarding buttons as new fangled technology left…

    http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/1-000-candles-Plymouth-waterfront-tonight-musical/story-24560384-detail/story.html

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  115. Yoda says:

    Opposable thumb bears have not.
    Eating utensils practical they are not.

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  116. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    An overlooked point about eating utensils. Good sense it does make.

    Spawny Get,
    It is a shock that the Pilgrim’s point of departure has been noted.

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  117. molly says:

    The place where the guys regarding buttons as new fangled technology left
    Plymouth rocks!

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  118. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I thought Plymouth Rock was in Massachusetts.

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  119. Spawny Get says:

    We have the Mayflower Steps. Plymouth rocks if you’re a sailor looking for a good time. Plymouth Rock is over your way.

    HTH

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  120. Spawny Get says:

    “I thought Plymouth Rock was in Massachusetts.”

    Massa Chewsets was a hit by the BeeGees

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  121. Spawny Get says:

    Interview of Cupid Stunt (taught Sharon Stone all she knew in Basic Instinct)

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  122. Yoda says:

    Isle of Man Bee Gees were from.
    Men in charge there I wonder…

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  123. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    If guys acted as girls do, first they would laugh and , then, they’d be mad for being made fun of.

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  124. molly says:

    If girls were guys they wouldn’t be girls, or they’d stand up to the fembots and kick ’em out right smartish, like.

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  125. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    With the fembots, the guys hands are kind of tied. We can’t beat them up. They’re girls.
    However, you’re a girl. Those same restrictions do not apply to you. You coud invite them to play water poplo and they could be the ball.

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  126. molly says:

    “they could be the ball.” Let’s make it a lead ball eh?

    fembot is
    fembot is troversies

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  127. molly says:

    I read Unca Spawny’s blog last night when you all slept. All of it!
    Above is blue flame club proof^^ 🙂
    AND
    Call me Dave has all the authenticity of a north pole penguin! See?
    (emphasis mine)

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  128. molly says:

    my definition of fembot is manufactroversies!

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  129. Spawny Get says:

    I trained your other unca up to deleted, bolded and italicised.

    Earlier night tonight, I’ll let you practice. And play with the bear, what’s the worst that could happen?

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  130. Spawny Get says:

    On second thoughts, you pass. Like the word, BTW.

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  131. molly says:

    Thanks for the open cheque book Unca S!

    Uncle you-know-who?? Well he’s almost old enough to be Unca Cill but for now he’s just Big Cuz!

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  132. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    You know how to forge an insult.
    “Call me Dave has all the authenticity of a North Pole penguin.”
    That is one that I will have to remember.

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  133. Spawny Get says:

    Got a guest coming tomorrow, so MUST get an earlier might. Apologies to Big Cuz for calling him yer unca Lurch.

    Good night…really…defo

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  134. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night, Spawny!

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  135. molly says:

    Unca Spawny is a South Pole penguin I’m sure. He hangs upside down like me! Have you noticed, most of the crazywhack is in the right-way-up part of the world?

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  136. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    I think the crazy whack may be proportional to the amount of land mass in the Northern and Southern hemispheres. The just less room for the crazy whacks south of the equator.

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  137. molly says:

    Yoda do you think the linked article is genuine, or sarcastic? Surely not genuine, although who knows with the crazy left? It’s like a comic skit.

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  138. Yoda says:

    Real it is.

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  139. molly says:

    OMG what farce gobbledygook:
    “Were white feminists who use “standpoint theory”—a feminist critique of allegedly male-centered epistemology—illegitimately appropriating the “testimonial” genre used by Chicana feminists to narrate their stories of oppression?”

    Manufactroversies much!

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  140. molly says:

    Where has Tarn gone? I miss her!

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  141. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    I couldn’t finish your link. They need to issue a shovel to every student and faculty at UCLA.

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  142. molly says:

    I couldn’t finish it either. The latinate English and passive verbs (a sure sign of moral cowardice) were too too much for my dilly bird brain!

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  143. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    I am glad that you were able to put a name to it.
    You’ve made quite a splah over at Bloom’s. At this rate, you’ll be a celebrity sometime nexy week.

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  144. molly says:

    Mum was so brave to do that! ❤ I'm hoping for not too many nasty comments, she's brave but she's very respectful – Mum and ugly don't belong on the same page!

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  145. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Molly,
    I am glad that you got her to reveal family secrets.
    It’s nearly midnight here and time for the bear to sleep.
    Talk more tomorrow!

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  146. molly says:

    Sleep the sleep of the just, Fuzzie Wuzzie

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  147. Cill says:

    This came in as an email from Cill to me, Molly! I’m pasting it here at his request.

    It’s mid afternoon and 26 °C in Kowloon and I’m sitting in the Novotel hotel. I’ve just eaten a mare of a dinner (to use your cruel expression Spawny when I had a birthday hangover) and lobster is presently settling in my tum (relax Tarn, it wasn’t a blue one I swear! 😉 ).

    This might be the last you hear from me for a while. I’ll soon venture deep into western China.

    By now you’ve met Molly who can be rather lively and outrageous but she’s as sweet natured as they come and still in her teens. Molly, remember the Spawny’s Space people are elderly and infirm for the most part, don’t wear them out! And please do remember your solemn promise re Dog.

    I will try to travel home regularly and will look forward to giving you a big hug Molly and catching up with the rest of you then. Best wishes to Spawny and Tarn, I miss you both already, and all of you at Spawny’s Space!

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  148. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    Safe trip!

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

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  149. Liz says:

    “Molly, remember the Spawny’s Space people are elderly and infirm for the most part, don’t wear them out!”

    LOL! Ouch. Hey, I’m very firm (for my age anyway). 😛

    Happy Thanksgiving all!

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