Conversation from Tarn’s Place: Helping A MGTOW Spread His Message

Hello, all. As I stated over on my blog, this is where I’d like the majority of discussion to take place for the post I’m putting up today. People are free to comment on either blog, but be aware that (as of today) I do still moderate everything whereas Spawny doesn’t. Choose wisely… πŸ˜‰ Here’s the link: Any feedback for MGTOWtrendsetta is greatly appreciated by both him and myself. Thanks!

From Francis Roy's Blog (see links page)

From Francis Roy’s Blog (see links page)

Posted in MGTOW, Tarn
335 comments on “Conversation from Tarn’s Place: Helping A MGTOW Spread His Message
  1. Cill says:

    1.A MGTOW must be a MAN
    2. A practising MGTOW is neither married nor in LTR. A sympathiser of MGTOW can be married or in LTR.
    3. A MGTOW should be non-religious? No comment… yet
    4. A MGTOW must hate feminism, but not women.
    5. A MGTOW should have a mind that’s open to rational reasoning.
    6. A MGTOW should be willing to stand alone

    This is not exhaustive for me, but it’s a start.


  2. Tarnished says:

    I like it so far, Cill. πŸ™‚


  3. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    As far as speaking out goes, Karen Straughan says that she is having no problem talking to ordinary people. Feminists only account for twenty percent of the population. This is her recent speech at Kennesaw State Univ. in Geogia.


  4. Cill says:

    Any “Helping A MGTOW Spread His Message”, Fuzzy?
    You’ll get the gist of it by following the link to tarnishedsophia near the top.


  5. Tarnished says:

    That’s good news! Now we just need non-feminists to stop using the system feminists have created…then we can work towards true equality.

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  6. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    The holidays will soon be upon us. Talking about things that affect us will serve to spread the word. There are a lot of people ot there who have similar positions to ours and may believe that they are all alone in the world.

    The part that bothers me about setting criteria is that it is counter to the philosophy. MGTOW is not supposed to be organized, there aren’t supposed to be rules to enforce, and there aren’t supposed to be enforcers.


  7. Cill says:

    MRM are unwittingly doing the feminist’s job for them and trying, in effect, to say all men are MGTOW. This will make MGTOW meaningless.


  8. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, I don’t mind rules that I don’t need to follow. I’m going MY Own Way. That said none of those things listed by Cill disquiet me. I’m just not feeling very militant right now πŸ™‚ Nearly time to go to bed.

    Cautiously Pessimistic left a comment on an old thread describing his situation. I must admit that if you could describe a married man as MGTOW, he’d be pretty much what you’d be describing. Also he wasn’t very fussed about claiming the label of MGTOW, which I always see as an important characteristic of a guy actually going his own way.

    I’ll look for a link to his comment


  9. Hey MGTOWtrendsetta! If you like Tarnished Sophia so much, why don’t you marry her?


  10. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Not to the extent that all men have the capacity for self determination.
    It just sunk in as to how big a fhreat to the status quo that is. Men really do have to decide where their feet will take them.


  11. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night, Spawny!


  12. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Dick,
    I was going to suggest you read up on mgtow, but I see you on Twitter, so I’m pretty sure that you know what it is. You know very well that marriage ist verboten!

    What’s the story? I might not pick it up till tomorrow (late here) but the commenters span the globe (thinly).


  13. Spawny Get says:

    Cheers Fuzzie, soon, I hope


  14. Francis Roy says:

    1.A MGTOW must be a MAN- This is given, no if ands or buts.

    Yes. It is incredibly obvious, but sometimes the obvious must be spoken out loud.

    2.A MGTOW should be for non-traditional marriage-

    I don’t think so, although this, like point 1 is one of the key elements that make up MGTOW. I personally don’t believe in marriage, or even liv-in arrangements.

    3. A MGTOW should be non-religious

    No, you’re reaching too far. You are attempting to conflate some ultimate form of mental freedom to the simple response of saying “no” to a variety of legal and cultural factors.

    4. A MGTOW should not be a female hater-A MGTOW cannot be bitter towards women.

    Bull. Some men hate, some men don’t–and it has nothing to do with a response to legal and cultural choices.

    5. A MGTOW should have an open mind

    Again, no. You’re imposing your ideas on what you think other people should embody.

    6. A MGTOW should be willing to stand alone.

    See my few previous points.

    Much of what you’re trying to do is to come up with some ideology of “What MGTOW is.” Don’t try to create rules for men who are merely doing as the see if for their own lives πŸ™‚

    MGTOW is descriptive, not prescriptive.

    MGTOW is not a club, or a group, or an ideology. It is a response to the current circumstances in our society. Men are responding with a cost-benefit analysis, and have come to the conclusion that despite the trade-offs, he is better served by limiting his vulnerability to legal or cultural conditions. That’s all.

    Imagine that you live in a wild-forest. There are many people who live in the forest, and about 50% of those who do, get maimed or killed because of falling branches. Some have noticed that when they are in a clearing, that less branches fall on them, so they choose to remain in clear-spots. After a while, many of them notice that others are doing so as well, and come up with a handy term: Clear Spotters.

    What would you say to someone that tried to dictate what a Clear Spotter must think, feel, do and stand for? They’re just trying to avoid getting bonked by branches. That’s all. And they have nothing else in common.

    Even if they don’t call themselves a Clear Spotter, people can still choose to sit in clear spots and be doing the same thing that many Clear Spotters are.

    My take on MGTOW is simple.

    I, as a man in the western world, in 2014, believe that it is harmful to my interests to accept the role of women’s protectors, providers, or to allow women access to my fertility.

    I believe that this is the simplest choice for myself, and have found that many Clear Spotters believe the same. I don’t impose it on you. You may not agree, and exclaim “Then you are not MGTOW!”

    So what? I’m still sitting in a clear spot. It doesn’t matter what words you use.

    Here’s mah meme o th’matter.


  15. Spawny Get says:

    Cill (iirc) Came up with a link to a site claiming to represent the birth of MGTOW as a unified movement ten years ago. No ma’am sounds similar too. Both links on my link page (top of front page).

    They didn’t take off. Is mgtow like the successful GamerGate swarm? Best left amorphous, leaderless?

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  16. Tarnished says:

    I do think MGTOWs need some definition (otherwise you’re right…anyone can just say “I’m a MGTOW” without actually following the philosophy behind it). But it’s not up to me to come up with said definition, that is up to you guys. πŸ˜‰

    You are right; the holiday season is an important time to reach out to others. When people feel/are alone during such times, they are more likely to harm themselves or even just all out commit suicide. And of course, most of these suicides will be men…Letting them know that someone cares about their welfare may save a life.

    Good points all around. I hope we hear some feedback from MGTOWtrendsetta soon. Discussions like this are good when everyone is involved!

    I wouldn’t marry him anyway…I don’t believe in marriage and already have a FwB. Marriage gives too much power to the female partner and introduces inequality to an otherwise egalitarian relationship.


  17. Tarnished says:

    No Ma’am and the other (now rather defunct looking) site is one of the followup sources to MGTOW I found years ago…Good try, but appears to be no cigar.

    The masculine mind does tend to be rather “feline” in it’s independence, and let’s face it…a decent number of MGTOWs and MGTOW supporters are INTJ/INTP. Not very conducive to joining any sort of herd or group. Perhaps it’s just not meant to be.

    As I told MGTOWtrendsetta, I *could* see a possibility of a meetup among such like-minded people, but that’s probably as far as it’d go…


  18. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    While what you said to me has validity, it is not what I meant. Prople are going to be out and having conversations with acquaintances and. Tell people wat you think.


  19. Tarnished says:


    Well, some of us will be able to…others will still have to bite their tongues. For example, my family is pretty traditional (I’m rather black sheepish in that regard). In the past my opinions on male equality and misandry haven’t been accepted.

    At all.

    I’ve more luck reaching some of my customers than my own siblings.


  20. Yoda says:

    “Embrace and pollute”
    Microsoft strategy it is.
    Successful it can be.
    “Eternally vigilant” requirement is.


  21. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    @Spawny- Cautiously Pessimistic left a comment on an old thread describing his situation.

    Thanks for the warm welcome, Spawny. I’ve been lurking on this site for a while, now. The byzantine corporate internet policy I’m under allows for reading, but not contributing, to this site, so my comments will be sparse compared to the other contributors. But I do enjoy your site and the comments. Nice that Fuzzy found another den for the winter.

    I’m a man, and I’m trying to get where I want to be by going the way I think best under the circumstances. That includes the acceptance of risk in not getting a pre-emptive divorce. I’m all kinds of broken up that I won’t get my MGTOW blazer badge and membership card, but whaddya gonna do? πŸ˜‰


  22. Tarnished says:

    @Cautiously Pessimistic

    Don’t worry, you’ll still be invited to the super secret underground lair for eggnog and cookies…


  23. Cill says:

    I will always help a fellow MGHOW if I can. This is what I did above when I attempted to improve his definition.

    I still haven’t thought right through my definition of MGTOW.

    But the following, though “preliminary”, is closer to my position:

    1. MGTOW are:
    Men who reject marriage and LTR because they refuse to sell themselves into slavery.

    2. MGHOW (within the framework of #1) is:
    A way of approaching life rather than a belief.

    3. My personal MGHOW is:
    Starve the beast (the feminist establishment).
    No manifesto.
    No agenda.
    No leaders.
    Nothing to infiltrate and disrupt.


  24. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Eggnog and cookies!!??
    We’ll all be over!


  25. Tarnished says:

    Yup, when we have the Holiday Party at work, I bring eggnog, gingerbread, mushroom stroganoff, latkes with sour cream and applesauce, matzo ball soup, and tiny molten chocolate cakes.

    I wish I could serve them to you all virtually…

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  26. Padawan says:

    “Eggnog and cookies” from yesterday’s wives?
    Nope, we need the meat of the Beast
    So we can stab it with our steely knives ?
    Yep, when we gather for the big feast


  27. Francis Roy says:

    Spawny said: “Cill (iirc) Came up with a link to a site claiming to represent the birth of MGTOW as a unified movement ten years ago. No ma’am sounds similar too. Both links on my link page (top of front page).”

    I’m sorry, but I seem to have the dumbs, tonight, I’m not finding them. Can I ask for direct links?

    BTW: the first time I heard the expression No Ma’am was from a show called Married with Children. It was a hilarious acronym.


  28. Tarnished says:

    Sorry Padawan…I know how to cook meat, but I don’t keep any at home (for obvious reasons, lol).

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  29. Cill says:

    “Cill (iirc) Came up with a link to a site claiming to represent the birth of MGTOW”

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  30. Padawan says:

    Padawan he does eat meat
    But he’s not a monster,
    At tarn’s he’d like a special treat
    Of tickle-head blue lobster


  31. Francis Roy says:

    Thank you for the links, Cill.


  32. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Finding the manosphere is a thing not easily done. When I was first looking, I blundered into a lot of sites that had no answers. Finally, I found one that linked a GirlWritesWhat video. Went to her channel and gobbled them all up. Having done that, doing a search for “hypergamy” led me to Dalrock and it all opened up from there via his blogroll.
    What we have to do, when we see people looking for answers, point them in the right direction.


  33. Tarnished says:

    Oy vey, Padawan… Lol


  34. Cill says:

    Fuzzy said “Finding the manosphere is a thing not easily done”.
    You had me remembering my first experience of it. I was in grief and for the first time in my life, feeling angry against women. I googled on “women hate men” or some such, and came onto some excellent NZ sites. And off I went on the big exploration. Compared with most of you I’m still just a newbie and every day you come up with acronyms and bloggy expressions I’ve never heard of. It’s a steep learning curve when it’s all unfamiliar, but I can already say it has helped me.

    So thank you, people, two of you in particular (you know who you are and I’d hate to cause embarrassment by praising you again). Things were real bad for I while, but I’m through the worst.

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  35. Cill says:

    “I’m through the worst” makes it seem like I’m still suffering. Hell no I’m not, I live a fantastically privileged life and I’m having a great time! All I have to do is think of Tarn’s blue lobster or one of Fuzzy’s bear videos (or of course, the man with the movie star good looks) and I’m in stitches of laughter


  36. Cill says:

    What was the topic?


  37. Tarnished says:

    Egg salad, obviously.

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  38. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    i am glad to know that the vear videos have value beyond comic relief.
    What set me on my path wasn’t something so emotionally awful. I was LJBFed, Let’s Just Be Friends, by a gal and I was more frustrated than mad.


  39. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, thanks for expanding the LJBF. It saved me having to look up on yet another acronym I didn’t know. πŸ˜‰


  40. Cill says:

    Things are quiet. Fuzzy, I liked the video of the Australian lighthorsemen at Beersheba. That swashbuckling rogue was an ancestor of mine. Horses, hooves…


  41. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    If I come across an acronym, searching via urban dictionary is a help.
    When you feel comfortable, would you tell us all how you came to the manosphere?


  42. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I remember seeing that movie for the first time. As Americans, it wasn’t mentioned in school but that campaign is at the foundation of what we’re dealing with in the present.


  43. Cill says:

    One of the Troopers was my great great grandfather.


  44. Tarnished says:

    I would like to hear more about how various members of our group found the manosphere…I first found it about 4 years ago when a good customer of mine asked me how he could get out of the friendzone with a chick he’d been after. I told him I didn’t know, but I’d do some research and get back to him…Well, I couldn’t solve his problem (she had her hooks in deep) but I eventually found the manosphere by just following link after link…blogs led to reddits, which led to articles and testimonies.

    It was mind blowing! Here was real validation of all the crazy-as-hell crap I’d seen/heard women pull my entire life…stuff I was told I “just didn’t understand” or was “a symptom of being oppressed”. It was spectacular, although I did have to learn how to “speak” online so as to not let my words be twisted, and I usually hid the fact that I’m female-bodied, and I devoured links like they were air. Then I found M3…learned about incels and MGTOWs…and here I am. πŸ™‚

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  45. Farm Boy says:

    Finding the manosphere is a thing not easily done

    We should have posts explaining the basics. I am willing to write some


  46. Cill says:

    “It was mind blowing!” It was for me too, and still is. I’m still that newbie mind blowing phase.
    I guess most good souls have retired for the night over there. It’s only 6:21 pm Wednesday here…


  47. Tarnished says:

    That’s a great idea, FB. Spawny loves having guest posts, and I can always reblog them too.


  48. Cill says:

    Farm Boy,
    Yes, great idea.
    (p.s. did you find MaryAnn?)


  49. Tarnished says:

    Heh…I’m gonna turn into a pumpkin soon myself. It’s 12:30am Wednesday for Fuzzie and I, at least.

    You may still be a “newbie”, Cill…but I think you’ve come pretty far in a short amount of time. Nice job, man.

    Now, to put my companions to bed, and try for some sleep myself…

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  50. Cill says:

    Give that grey budgie with the yellow head a good night kiss on the beak from me, tarn


  51. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    If a guy can confess to you that he is stuck in the friend zone, I am impressed. You are held in high confidence.
    The best post ever witten was M3’s Confessions of oa Reformed Incel. That blew me away.
    Like you, I found confirmation for stuff I was thinking but, never put into words.


  52. Tarnished says:

    Will do. πŸ™‚

    I’m a very open and honest person…I don’t believe in word or mind games, and many of my regular customers have come to respect that about me. Even though I’m years younger than some of them, they ask my advice or just vent to me knowing that I’ll actually listen.

    My Gods, yeah. M3’s Reformed Incel post is like one of the go-to pages in the manosphere. I cried…as in literally had tears on my face…by the time I was done reading it. It really cemented the reality of incel for me, and was the reason I offered what I did on the date I went on with UV (a 29 year old fellow blogger). Cill, if you haven’t read it yet you really should. Just google “reformed incel”.

    And…good night, all.


  53. Cill says:

    On closer inspection it’s a parrot, not a budgie.


  54. Farm Boy says:

    did you find MaryAnn?

    No, I did not. No wholesome young women to be found. This Swedish fella popped the question to his girlfriend. She said yes. She was dressed as a whore though. So nothing to see there.


  55. Cill says:

    She was Swedish then


  56. Cill says:

    res ipsa loquitur


  57. Cill says:

    Seriously, though, I know the Sammie Islands fairly well. I know they slew Captain James Cook. Which of them were you staying at?


  58. Cill says:

    I mean which island.


  59. Spawny Get says:

    George seeks Massey pre-nup?

    tl:dr; George Clooneyβ€˜s upcoming marriage to fiancee/London lawyer Amal Alamuddin is getting a bit shaky. The root of the problem is reported ‘fighting’ over Clooney’s $220 million fortune and the prenup being drafted by Clooney’s legal team to protect his assets in case of well…


  60. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks for copying the links, Cill.
    I prefer not to do such stuff on a fondleslab.


  61. blurkel says:

    1.A MGTOW must be a MAN- This is given, no if ands or buts.

    Agreed. It’s self-evident.

    2.A MGTOW should be for non-traditional marriage…

    NO! MGTOW should be against marriage of any kind. Marriage is how society puts men into a female-superior lifestyle. Men & women should not share living arrangements, which quickly become under the total control of the female. This by necessity includes the male involved. And then there is the Law, which will poke it’s nose into a man’s life to ensure that his behavior is “correct” and he’s “meeting” his obligations as society determines them to be. No benefit, all cost – for the male.

    It has been said (and by women!) that men and women should instead be close neighbors and visit often. This way, each has their own space and control over it.

    3. A MGTOW should be non-religious…

    Religion seeks to rule your life and behavior. No one can be MGTOW when anything demands domination over you. I once saw an article listing the moral items all religions claim to share. That is as much religion as anyone needs. Anything else is self-delusion.

    4. A MGTOW should not be a female hater…

    Agreed. Hating women only enslaves a man to a social dynamic, a condition which needs to end. Haters seek to “restore” lost male-dominance as if that will fix what’s broken in their lives. What it does instead is to make a slave of the slaver, for one can’t let one’s guard down lest the chattel rise up angry.

    5. A MGTOW should have an open mind…

    I think this applies to all, generally. More of this would be a good thing.

    6. A MGTOW should be willing to stand alone…

    I don’t think “alone” in a world of almost 9 billion people is exactly possible. But if you want to change it to “stand apart”, then I can go with it. A great many “traditions” and “social standards” -and not just in the Western world- prevent men from being who they need to be. The most obvious of these is marriage, increasingly not a viable economic situation for anyone. This alone will force more MGTOW if just to enhance the ability of one to survive at all.

    That’s my six cents worth!


  62. Spawny Get says:

    Unless I missed it, Francis Roy hasn’t posted a link to his latest post


  63. Spawny Get says:

    Cautiously Pessimistic
    “I’m all kinds of broken up that I won’t get my MGTOW blazer badge and membership card, but whaddya gonna do? πŸ˜‰ ”

    I feel for you bro *knuckle bump* πŸ˜‰

    I have a feeling that you’ll soldier through. But if it helps, I’ll open the gate to the clubhouse for you. In all seriousness your situation is MGTOW as far as I’m concerned. You got married THEN found the red pill.

    Drop in any time, I’ve seen you around and about in comments elsewhere for a while now, I know that you have history. If you want to write a post about…anything. Let me know. One possible post is explaining your situation as much as you care to. That’s not pleading for the badge, it’s stating that ‘marriage then MGTOW is possible because here’s how it worked for me’. But you can write about anything you want.


  64. Tarnished says:

    She’s my Cinnamon Pearl cockatiel. A rescue bird with a split lower beak and very strong needs for affection/attention. I’ve had her for a little over a year now.

    She is pretty photogenic, wouldn’t you say? πŸ™‚

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  65. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    About George Clooney, if she is balking at the prenuptial agreement, There is a problem. She is an attorney and should know better. My guess is that the wedding won’t happen.


  66. Spawny Get says:

    Tricky for a lawyer woman to claim that she didn’t understand what she signed.


  67. Spawny Get says:

    ROOSH has a new Video Game site

    Roosh’s REAXXION


  68. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn, I am supposed to have sworn off of da wimminz, but she’s not a bad lookin’ bird ba-dum-tish

    Does she sit on you to watch telly?


  69. Cill says:

    Tarn, she’s in top condition and looks content, and she’s probably a character. I like the red spot behind her eye. The Cockatiel and the Parakeet, along with the Tui, are my favorite birds. In the cities of Australia, the Land of the Parrot, they show affection toward each other and I’ve had them, and also kookaburras, “adopt” me in an avuncular way. They can get jealous if another parrot gets attention from their adopted human. My favorite parrot is NZ’s native Kea (which I’ve started here at about 4:30 minutes):

    It’s worth watching just to see the teamwork near the end. Unlike the Cockatiel, the Kea is not suitable as a household companion. I don’t like to think of them in zoos in Europe. The Kea is made for the wide open skies of the Southern Alps.

    Do you name them? I sometimes call my 2 favorite animals “Dog” and “Horse”, but more often just “mate”. If I’m out in a paddock and say “Are you there mate?” they’ll both prick up their ears but they both always know which one of them I’m addressing. The dog is never far away. He even looks after the horse. If we’re out in the wild and encounter something unfamiliar, he’s always quick to be first to inspect it in case it’s a threat. He too is at home in the wide open spaces and he likes it here. The only time he seeks physical contact is when sleeping out in the cold, for body warmth, including the horse if he’s with us.


  70. Padawan says:

    In acting for herself, prenuptially defiant,
    This woman I’m sure has no fool for a client.

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  71. Spawny Get says:

    Cool story Bro! Those Keas look like fun. Looks like they ring as much as they can out of their bird brains. I’m surprised that they have to be that smart

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  72. Cill says:

    Spawny the Kea had to be smart because they were up against stiff competition. After NZ broke off from Gondwana (Antarctica+Indonesia+Australia+NZ) it was totally isolated and accessable only by birds. It became the ultimate land of the bird. The Haast Eagle was the most fearsome bird of all time, powerful enough to take down a 510 lb 12 feet tall Moa (the largest bird of all time).


  73. Cill says:

    If my memory serves, India originated from Gondwana too, broke off and crashed into Asia, thereby forming the Himalayas


  74. Spawny Get says:

    Sounds familiar from my amateur general knowledge. Haast Eagle huh? Gotta respect the skills.


  75. sfcton says:

    lol no LTR’s make it sound like the little rascal’s he-man woman hater club

    MGTOW is to passive for me and I prefer the Sovereign Man concept


  76. Tarnished says:

    Harley sits on me all the time…watching tv, playing videogames, etc


  77. Spawny Get says:

    Ton, how about you as a SMGOMW?

    Sovereign Man Get Outa My Way

    You can patent it if you want. I doubt anyone else will object


  78. Tarnished says:

    Ha, she is exactly the same way! If one of the budgies tries to sit on my shoulder, she will fly across the room to get there first…even if she wasn’t paying attention up till that point.


  79. Spawny Get says:

    “Harley sits on me all the time”

    Is it a food deprivation thing in her past?


    Sociamalising for some hours…ta-ra


  80. Tarnished says:

    I’m hesitant, but only because I don’t really want to be the “sovereign” of anyone except myself…How about Single Living Perfectionist?


  81. Tarnished says:

    Ugh…I misread Ton as Tarn. Mea culpa.
    (Still stealing that other name for myself though…)

    I’m unclear about Harley’s full past. She’s a 6 year old female, has laid eggs in the past but never been mated with, has a calcium deficiency, a split lower beak, is afraid of the dark (she needs a nightlight and sleeps next to me on a blanket), and gets really upset if I’m home and she can’t see me.

    I think she must’ve gone through some rough patches, but she’s not as bad as other rescues I’ve adopted.


  82. Farm Boy says:

    I am guessing that George Clooney’s fiance will not age well.


  83. Yoda says:

    Tricky for a lawyer woman to claim that she didn’t understand what she signed.

    Female she is.
    Pass they get.


  84. Yoda says:

    For example, my family is pretty traditional. In the past my opinions on male equality and misandry haven’t been accepted.

    At all.

    New traditional this is.
    Accept feminism and all of its works.


  85. Tarnished says:

    I know. I call it feminized tradcon…or entitlement.
    Not out loud, of course. πŸ˜‰


  86. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    In thinking about what George Clooney’s fiance faces, there is the statement of the old cynical judge, “Ignorance of the law ia an excuse for attorneys.”.
    If she is balking, he’ll grow distant.

    I am glad that your parrot found you.


  87. Cill says:

    tarn, “Sovereign Man Get Outa My Way”

    For myself, I’d prefer a simple O (“Ozymandias”)

    So your letterhead would show “Tarn (SMGOMW)”
    And mine would show “Cill (O)”

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  88. Cill says:

    On the other hand, I’ve always had a hankering for the hyphenated academic qualifications.

    I might opt for LOMWY-MAD! (“Look On My Works, Ye Mighty, And Despair!”)

    “Cill (LOMWY-MAD!)”

    Liked by 1 person

  89. Cill says:

    Menstraul Painting WTF?!?


  90. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    He didn’t stutter. Off the wall sick. At least it reminds me why it’s so difficult to argue with feminists. Rationality is optional.


  91. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I saw this on AVfM and wanted to share. This is what push back in media looks like in India. Knocked me out of my socks!


  92. Tarnished says:

    Do it, Cill.
    Do it now.

    Liked by 1 person

  93. Cill says:

    Ahhh, do what, tarn? πŸ˜‰

    BTW I just joined here:
    … and added my “vote”
    Only 52 members so far, and me the only one from NZ


  94. Cill says:

    I should ask my fellow Kiwis, Moe and Padawan, to join too. Swell the numbers a bit.


  95. Tarnished says:

    Hey, that is really awesome, Cill! I’m kind of there too (only in the “Opposing” section, ironically) but the guys there have been great to talk with. πŸ˜€

    One of the guys had a very good post about not backing down from 2 of his female students who had loudly been discussing the fact that they work their husbands like dogs and see sex as a “reward” for home repairs/upgrades.

    I’m planning on linking to his story when I do my post “Sex Is Not A Tool”.


  96. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    About the two loud students, there are problems with making sex transactional.


  97. Tarnished says:

    I don’t know if there’s problems, but I find it highly unethical unless you’re an actual sex worker with preset rates.

    And no, I’m not being sarcastic. I approve of prostitution, but loathe the fact it isn’t standardized/legal and that many in the sex industry aren’t there of their own free will. If all prostitution could be handled the way it is at The Bunny Ranch…with the workers being considered independent contractors, paying taxes, having a safe work environment, and needing to prove both legal age and that they are STD free…I’d be much happier about it.


  98. Spawny Get says:

    Hannah Wallen just followed me on Twitter! Breaking the glasses being her site. Irritated to find her missing from the links page. Tomorrow it will be there.

    Anyway Twitter is fun at the moment, today I are mostly been finding out
    1) ‘check your privilege’ has been stolen from the SJWs and redefined as having a ‘J Arthur’
    2) Time magazine had a poll over which word to ban. I voted for the winner – ‘feminism’. It won by a mile. The femeroids are displeased.
    3) the Gamer community has gained sentience #OpSKYNET


  99. Spawny Get says:

    J Arthur? Rhyming slang. Famous guy ‘J Arthur Rank’ ->


  100. Cill says:

    I cast me vote at Time. Not saying what I voted for.


  101. Spawny Get says:

    Doesn’t matter who you voted for, only that you won. I won, did you?

    Liked by 1 person

  102. Cill says:

    ” I won, did you?”
    I bat on a sticky wicket


  103. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    There are problems with making sex transactional and, you’re right, it does come down to ethics. Unfortunately, there is a lot of this going on in Marriage 2.0 to the point where it’s not a small factor in Men Going Their Own Way.

    Spawny Get,
    You’re famous!
    I couldn’t bring myself to ban the word feminist. What would we talk about?


  104. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, leave it alone, you’ll go blind. Never mind yer wicket, how did you vote?

    Fuzzie, don’t know but according to the link above, they just need to rebrand it. FFS.

    G’night y’all


  105. Tarnished says:


    See? If more women had more sex, everyone would be more happy. πŸ˜‰


  106. Tarnished says:

    I know I did…


  107. Tarnished says:

    Yup. I know it…hear it from my friends a goodly amount of the time.


  108. Cill says:

    I voted to win


  109. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    While watching Thunderf00t’s video, I was thinking about how we could pack an auditorium for a lecture by a feminist. We’d all be laughing and not stop till it was over.
    Would that be why Big Red never came back for an encore?


  110. Cill says:

    Yoda ends all his sentences with a verb. Big Red ends hers with an abstract noun. Perhaps they should swap


  111. Tarnished says:

    Good night, Spawny.


  112. Tarnished says:


    Don’t give them any ideas…

    Liked by 1 person

  113. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Call me a creature of routine but, I am used to the style of each one.
    Can you see Yoda exclaiming, “Patriarchy, f#*kface!”?
    It’s undignified.

    Liked by 1 person

  114. Cill says:

    Allow them each one line at a time, in a verbal exchange. Big Red would be gagged every alternate line so Yoda could be heard.

    Liked by 1 person

  115. Cill says:

    Red hair she has
    -because the patriarchy f#*kface!
    With loud voice she speaks
    -Sh-u-u-u-t u-u-u-p! Because the –
    Repetitious she is
    -patriarchy f#*kface! Sh-e-e-u-u-t up! I haven’t –
    Her inconclusiveness irksome can be
    -finished because of the f*cking patriarchy f#*kface!


  116. Tarnished says:

    I’m pretty sure there’s another video of her arguing with a Christian, where she also became exceedingly belligerent and haughty without any real cause.

    Why is it physically impossible for some people to have civil conversations?


  117. Cill says:

    Big Red is a frustrated Opera diva who, had she but had the talent, would have sung The Ride of the Valkyries with a fat-tingling passion and been entitled to artistic tantrums.

    Liked by 1 person

  118. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Would you be referring to this video?

    I’ll bet that Big Red is loud, even when she sleeps.


  119. Moehau Man says:

    Yes, well, I reckon she dreams of getting shafted by the patriarchy…


  120. Moehau Man says:

    BTW thanks for the invite to your birthday party tomorrow, Cill.


  121. Cill says:

    It wouldn’t be complete without you, Moe. Be sure to get your drinking arm nicely limbered up before you arrive, though.

    Liked by 1 person

  122. Moehau Man says:

    Will Padawan be there? I wouldn’t mind having a word with that young whipper-snapper.


  123. Cill says:

    I haven’t invited him. Too many of the guests have been offended by his rhyme.

    Liked by 1 person

  124. Cill says:

    Which reminds me, everyone here is invited. Just hand your email address to the bouncer on the beach.


  125. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I don’t know if you’re stll watching but, Tara Palmatier has a problem with transactional sex. It’s a warning sign for men that theyt are being used by a borderline persoanlity disordered woman.


  126. Cill says:

    In Spawny’s case, all he need do is present his movie star face for an instant ID. Simple as.

    Liked by 2 people

  127. Spawny Get says:

    Happy Birthday, ‘ere’s yer musicle prezzie
    NSFW !!!!!!

    Liked by 3 people

  128. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    All I can do is wish you a Happy Birthday! I am sure that the timeing of my arrival would be confounded by the International Date Line.

    Liked by 1 person

  129. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, what is transactional sex? Is it sex for money?


  130. Spawny Get says:

    Sex for doing the dishes, sex for buying her something

    Liked by 1 person

  131. Cill says:

    Gee, thanks for the prezzie Fuzzie! You shouldn’t of!
    πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚


  132. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s like a favor for a favor. I do all that she asks and I am rewarded with sex. There’s a lot wrong with whole outlook, beginning with the premise that she owns sex, which is so prevelent in the culture as a whole.

    Liked by 1 person

  133. Cill says:

    Still laughing here. I’m trying to picture the expression on Big Red’s face when someone plays her that video…


  134. Cill says:

    I reckon she’d launch into a screaming match with herself.
    O God this is too much..

    Liked by 1 person

  135. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I just had a truly horrible thought. Big Red has a TWIN. Yikes!
    It that weren’t enough, they’re your big sisters. More yikes!

    I do wonder if Big Red practices in front of a mirror?


  136. Tarnished says:


    First, I’d like to wish you a Feliz Cumpleanos!

    Secondly, what Fuzzie and Spawny have said is 100% correct…Transactional sex is when you get a blowjob for fixing the washing machine, PiV for installing new cabinets, etc.

    In other words, bullshit.

    This idea of Man does Work = Woman gives Sex is one of the strangest, but most commonly accepted, aspects of many relationships. I can’t wrap my head around it…Sex is not a tool to use, or a positive reinforcement reward system, or a bargaining token. It’s an act that you share with your partner to please both of you…or if you’re into it, just your partner. (Which can be really satisfying in it’s own way.)

    Liked by 1 person

  137. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder if there is a bear equivalent of Big Red…
    What would she be like…


  138. Spawny Get says:

    Big Red wearing a fur coat, Farm Boy


  139. Farm Boy says:

    For being such a pissed off man-hater, Anita sure does try hard to look good.

    Or perhaps she is trying to look good for George Clooney, and doesn’t care about looking good for Gamer Joe


  140. Cill says:

    I’m trying to work this out for myself…
    If it’s rape for a man to force his wife by pressure sex…
    When she forces him to obey her by allowing sex if and only if he obeys, isn’t this pressure sex?


  141. Yoda says:

    Feminine Big Red is not.
    Men she will not attract


  142. Farm Boy says:

    If it’s rape for a man to force his wife by pressure sex…,

    If Big Red forces herself upon you, is that rape?
    Would a jury convict?


  143. Cill says:

    “I wonder if there is a bear equivalent of Big Red”
    That’s Big Red naked at a fancy dress party


  144. Cill says:

    “If Big Red forces herself upon you, is that rape?”
    Big Red’s blowjob would float you like a hot air balloon

    Liked by 1 person

  145. Farm Boy says:

    Why does Anita wear bull nose-rings in her ears?


  146. Tarnished says:


    Hell, you don’t even have to be feminine.
    Just pleasant to be around.


  147. Farm Boy says:

    I just had a truly horrible thought. Big Red has a TWIN

    Dunno. If she had a twin it would the “good twin”, as she is obviously the “evil twin”


  148. Farm Boy says:

    you don’t even have to be feminine.
    Just pleasant to be around.

    For modern women difficult this is.
    Yoda understands not.


  149. Cill says:

    Big Red’s blowjob would out-blast Sir Alex Ferguson’s hair dryer.

    Liked by 1 person

  150. Tarnished says:

    Being pleasant isn’t brain science or rocket surgery though…


    Liked by 1 person

  151. Yoda says:

    Evil twins everywhere they are.
    Impostor Farm Boy was.

    Liked by 1 person

  152. Cill says:

    “Why does Anita wear bull nose-rings in her ears?”
    It’s strange the places some people will put their ears…

    Liked by 1 person

  153. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You guys wouldn’t be trying to suggest that a certain bear of your acquaintance consider Big Red in a whole new light? She could be a disguised girl bear. Notice how you can’t see her ears and the hair on the top of her head is puffed up to cover little round ears on top?

    Farm Boy,
    I think Anita Sarkeesian is married. She would say that her appearance is part of her presentation.


  154. Cill says:

    Big Red, if she had a man, would put a bull ring on his dick and lead him around by it at an Agricultural & Pastoral show and he would swing his tail from side to side..

    Liked by 1 person

  155. Yoda says:

    I think Anita Sarkeesian is married

    Stay home and make babies she should


  156. Yoda says:

    Women, feminist or not, are driven primarily by one thing – attention.

    Bull nose-ring earrings she does wear.
    Fire-engine red hair and a bigger mouth she does have.
    Attention seekers they are?


  157. Padawan says:

    And bring them up to be fine feminists she should..


  158. Yoda says:



  159. Cill says:

    Her lipstick is to make her face look like a twat. Desmond Morris said so.

    Liked by 1 person

  160. Yoda says:

    Earrings as Twat-rings?


  161. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You are a chronological contradiction. You are familiar with Desmond Morris?
    I read him as a teenager.

    You are correct. She is very successful at getting attention.


  162. Cill says:

    “You are familiar with Desmond Morris?”
    The Naked Ape Liveth.


  163. Cill says:

    As does Briffault

    Liked by 1 person

  164. sfcton says:

    LOL Spwany I’ve been living Sovereign Man Get Outa My Way lifestyle since I crawled out of my mom though I only recently started thinking in terms of Sovereign Man


  165. Spawny Get says:

    Newly found video channel for MGTOW, very good


    MGTOW:Women Are In For A Rude Awakening

    The MGTOW Boom: Ahead Of The Economic Curve (4 Bubbles Set To Burst)


  166. Spawny Get says:

    OMFG – GamerGate’s leader is revealed!

    If you thought it was leaderless YOU WERE WRONG

    (I love this guy)

    Bonus material


  167. Padawan says:

    Yoda asks “If Big Red forces herself upon you, is that rape?”
    Paraphrase of a limerick (by Padawan, Poet Lauriat 2014 – ?):

    A knight to Big Red was lent
    So more time with raping she spent
    Expecting much trouble
    He bent his cock double
    And instead of coming he went

    Liked by 1 person

  168. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Happy Birthday, Cill! I had to wait until it was official.


  169. Padawan says:

    F-U-U-U-Z-Z-Y YEAH!

    Yes we’re going to a pardy pardy
    Yes we’re going to a pardy pardy
    I would like you to dance!
    Take a ch-ch-ch-chance!
    I would like you to dance!


  170. Padawan says:

    Yoda asks: “Would a Jury Convict?”
    Original limerick (by Padawan, Poet Lauriat 2014 – ?)

    The jury would giggle and snort
    At the thought of Big Red getting porked
    But a rape
    by Big Red
    Would so fuck their heads
    They’d bare their butts to be corked


  171. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, the middle word second-last line is what I’d call Birthday Licence, young Padawan


  172. Cill says:

    Let’s not draw attention to that word, Moe or it might catch the eye of the censors

    Liked by 1 person

  173. Cill says:

    I wonder how much zapping the sensor censor has had to do?
    You there, censor?
    (shit, someone’s sleeping on the job)
    Earth calling tarn, Earth calling tarn, Do.You.Read

    Liked by 1 person

  174. Padawan says:

    Sobriquets to start your mum weeping,
    Expletives out of safekeeping
    Obscenities shout
    Trot ’em all out
    While our Censor is sleeping

    Liked by 1 person

  175. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    We have more Star Wars fans here than the norm. I saw this somewhere else and thought to link. Give it a watch , it’s just fun.

    There is some speculation that parodies like this are getting the fembots all lathered up and trying to censor. If this is true, they are vulnerable. All we have to do is make fun of them. πŸ™‚

    Liked by 1 person

  176. Padawan says:

    All nerds call-call on Leia
    Persistent as any player
    The reason is good:
    They stop pulling pud
    And heckle all day to lay ‘er

    Liked by 1 person

  177. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    While she has handed her heart to Han Solo, maybe she has a friend for me?

    Liked by 1 person

  178. Spawny Get says:

    Maybe Chewie has a sister?


  179. Tarnished says:


    Just letting you know, dear Jedi-in-Training, that my comments are now open like Spawny’s…should you wish to grace my readers with some of your truly Vogon-esque poetry.

    Liked by 1 person

  180. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I didn’t find a Wookie but, this is close.


  181. Spawny Get says:

    Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (apologies, spelling is from memory) would never stoop to these depths. More like the work of well lubricated rugby players…

    Liked by 1 person

  182. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    May I offer a Malumumte howl of assent?

    Liked by 1 person

  183. Yoda says:

    Princess Leia in Jabba Slave Outfit better it would be.
    Many looks she would garner.

    Liked by 1 person

  184. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Many looks this page recieve now. Leia in costume tires of having her chain pulled.

    Liked by 1 person

  185. Tarnished says:


    Hey, I know you usually enjoy talking to Blurkel…he just left a good comment on my latest post. Also, don’t know if you guys saw, but I changed my commenting policy to being open/unmoderated like it is here. No more waiting for busy Tarns to push comments through…hooray!

    Liked by 1 person

  186. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I do not know what is going on but, things have gotten quiet.
    Could everyone be out with Elmer Fudd hunting wabbits?


  187. Cill says:

    tarn, that’s great! I’ve got a few distractions here at the moment. There’s some great music going on outside and Molly and co dancing like crazy out there. I’m putting off starting on the drink as long as I can but it’s getting harder and harder to resist. Gidday to you and Spawny and Fuzzy and Farm Boy and Blurkel and Ton and Yoda and Uncle Tom Cobbly and all. See you asap.

    Liked by 1 person

  188. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Say hello to Molly from all of us!
    Have fun!


  189. Tarnished says:

    Sounds like your birthday is going great. Enjoy!

    Liked by 1 person

  190. Cill says:

    Hi Tarn, Spawny, Fuzzy, greetings from Noo Zillid! Fuzzie Wuzzie bear, he showed me your Beatles Birthday song.. that is so sweet!

    Luv ya,


    Liked by 1 person

  191. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill and Molly,
    Glad to hear that it went over well. It does sound like a fun time is being had by all.
    Happy for you!


  192. Spawny Get says:

    Glad you had fun, Cill. Sometime soon you’ll be discovering that hangovers are worse as you get older more mature. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.


  193. Spawny Get says:

    Trying out a new browser…good!

    Iron is to Chrome as Pale Moon is to FireFox.

    There’re two download links. One for normal install and another for a portable installation. Now that one should be installable in a couple of different folders, each having a shortcut of their own on the desktop.

    This would allow the multiple personality disordered to have a separate copy of Iron for each head-mate personality…I think.

    Seems like a good browser so far. I added ‘adblock plus’, I might look for some script control doobries later.


  194. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    In getting my daily dose of Sandman, he covered a topic today that seems to be a watershed moment. Jessica Valenti at the The Guardian want to see men’s pay cut so that the “wage gap” is closed.

    Never miind that “equal pay for equal work” has be the law for decades.
    Is iit my imagination or, are they abandoning all pretense of reason?
    This may be the first time that I have heard one call for a solution that is inequitable, illegal, and reaches into someone else’s pockets directly.


  195. Cill says:

    Spawny “hangovers”
    It won’t will happen overnight, but shit it will happen


  196. Cill says:

    Edit: but shit will happen


  197. Cill says:

    Edit edit: It won’t will happen overnight, but shit will happen


  198. Cill says:

    A-w-w-w-w-w… me head….

    Liked by 2 people

  199. Tarnished says:

    Too bad you don’t have any Irn Bru…it’s tasty, and I’m told it is good for combating headaches brought on by alcoholic excess. Never been drunk, so I can’t say yes/no on that claim, lol.

    Liked by 1 person

  200. Cill says:

    Me uncle had to bring that bottle of bloody Chivas, diddin ‘e…
    I’m suffering here

    Liked by 1 person

  201. Tarnished says:

    Moderation, Cill!

    Liked by 1 person

  202. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Drink lots of fluids and accept that you will be miserable for twenty four hours.

    Liked by 1 person

  203. Cill says:

    Wos this Irn Bru? You have to spell it out for me…
    I need some. Now.


  204. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, you know,

    “Is it my imagination or, are they abandoning all pretense of reason?”

    I think that that hits the nail on the head.

    I mean it looks like shit to me, but maybe, just maybe she’s that fucking dumb. *shrug*

    I don’t know if we’re supposed to just lose our temper and rant, or roll our eyes.

    There’s some theorem about such movements ending up self-parodying. So the observer can no longer tell whether they’re serious or joking. Feminism has reached that place, maybe it was a few years ago. The landing on a comet vs the nerdy shirt the guy was wearing ‘#shirtstorm’ is just tragic. If I were a woman I’d be embarrassed by that.

    I’m sure there’s an element of click-baiting, but how much of a whore does she have to be to lower herself to that? She’s certainly selling out any credibility feminism might have had with normal folks. Clearly with anybody paying attention to what the (bowel) movement does, as opposed to the dictionary definition, all credibility left the building with the second wavers. But even the blue pillers must be seeing this as crap nowadays?


  205. Cill says:

    Please don’t tell me it’s some Gaelic ‘air o’ t’ dog…


  206. Spawny Get says:

    “Irn Bru” is correct. Made wi’ girders in Sco’land.

    Dandelion and Burdock is pretty medicinal as well.

    Liked by 1 person

  207. Spawny Get says:

    Not alcofrolic! Irn Bru and Dandelion and Burdock are both soft drinks.

    iirc Irn Bru tastes a bit like Tizer. D&B is more medicinal in taste.

    Liked by 1 person

  208. Tarnished says:

    Lol, I did spell it out. It’s a fizzy orange drink from Spawny’s side of the pond. A good chunk of Brits and Scots work in the area around my store, so we carry drinks, snacks, and spreads for them. I really love the Emerald Caramels, the Lucozade, and the Roast Chicken Taytos (it tastes like the crispy skin off a chicken…a flavor I truly miss from my meat-eating days…but has no meat products in it!) Oh, and Cadbury always tastes better when it’s made in the UK.


  209. Spawny Get says:

    I drank three pints of farmhouse scrumpy in me student days. Brought up blood the next day (from throwing up so hard and often) and had my first and only two day hangover. At age 19 that’s impressive.

    Wasn’t trying to get drunk! I felt absolutely sober, but my friends told me I was slurring very badly. Lord knows how strong it was, or whether it was the impurities, or both. Moonshine got me once as well (genuine Georgian in a screw top jar), but that was a clean hangover. That was accidental as well, but it was merciful in comparison.

    I don’t drink to get hammered, but every now and again you’ll get caught out and have a joyless day the next day. I’ve been to a few beer festivals and not had any problem the next day. The worst part of the alcofrol carousel ride being that I’m a happy drunk and just start talking funny bullshit…totally out of character (honest).


  210. Tarnished says:

    I was truly hoping Jessica’s new idea was satire… 😦


  211. Padawan says:

    Rhyme Prepared Yesterday Arvo With Malice Aforethought (by Padawan, Poet Lauriat 2014 – ?)

    Filled with glee is Padawan
    That from the party he was banned,
    To Cill you would-be sideshow carny
    Here’s an in-your-face whak πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

    Liked by 1 person

  212. Spawny Get says:

    So Tarn, have you had Dandelion and Burdock? If not you might want to add some to the next order from ye olde englande (and sco’land). Guaranteed you’ll get some nostalgia from the exiles (or immigrants according to your point of view).
    “AG Barr, famous for Scottish soft drink Irn Bru, produce a version of Dandelion and Burdock under the name D’n’B and the slogan “Tall, dark and drinksome”.”
    also made by AG Barr.
    “Irn-Bru’s advertising slogans used to be ‘Scotland’s other National Drink’, referring to whisky, and ‘Made in Scotland from girders’, a reference to the rusty colour of the drink; though the closest one can come to substantiating this claim is the 0.002% ammonium ferric citrate listed in the ingredients.”

    So if you can get one, likely you can get the other.


  213. Cill says:

    Tarnished, you like me having as sore head? You’re cruel…


  214. Cill says:

    Hey, Spawny time it’s still me birthdee!
    Any more presents?
    (no booze please)


  215. Spawny Get says:

    “I was truly hoping Jessica’s new idea was satire…”

    either that or a new layer (for her) plumbed. Credit where it’s due, there are many other feminists that have plumbed lower depths.

    Until I start seeing real, normal women publicly giving her type shit for this crap, I will continue to believe that women fundamentally do not like men, and they gleefully swallow any bullshit, however incredible, that ‘justifies’ their dislike. There’s something basically twisted in the depths of the minds of many women towards men. Recent events have shown that to men. This is why there will be no return to the old days of deference to ladies, because men have seen behind the curtain…there are very few ladies and women are not made of sugar and spice and all things nice. The upcoming generations of men cannot have failed to have seen this.


  216. Tarnished says:

    Aw, of course not. I just enjoy imagining Padawan in this circumstance.

    Pick feels sorry for you, if that makes you feel any better…

    Liked by 1 person

  217. Tarnished says:

    No Spawny, I haven’t. If you think it’ll be pleasing to your wayward brethren, I will gladly stock it. You know what surprised me? How many people ask for McVittie (?) Digestive Cookies during the holidays.

    Here in the US, a digestive cookie is a bland piece of fiber/wheat crisp you give to kids when they’ve a stomachache…I was pleasantly surprised to see yours aren’t like that at all!


  218. Spawny Get says:

    A pressie you say? This should be a real treat for you



  219. Cill says:

    floater? Wot I gonna do with a beeeep floater??


  220. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn, you just have to dunk a digestive…mmm

    The chocolate versions are evilly nice too. And Hob-Nobs! And Choccy Hob-Nobs!

    All of those are worth a go. maybe some actual cheddar cheese. The real thing is unbelievably different from the plastic stuff in burgers.

    Speaking of which…it’s tea time. jacket potato with venison and cranberry sausages and venison and pheasant sausages. mmm. and some heinz beans.

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  221. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny and Tarn,
    It was Jessica Valenti that made famous the “I bathe in male tears” statement on her shirt.
    Could this be blatant provocation? It may be better to ignore her.


  222. Spawny Get says:

    The broken camera makes that shot peculiarly nasty to look at, I think. Despite the movie star good looks of the model. Just the stuff to stare at with a hangover.

    Liked by 1 person

  223. Cill says:

    On a normal day, pavlova and pikelets-with-melting-butter-under-raspberry-jam will warm the cockles of any Brit heart. Get the most handsomest movie-starish face into bed, it will.

    Liked by 1 person

  224. Tarnished says:


    I often wonder about that…especially when Lon attempts to pedestalize me. I’m a good person, but I’m not perfect. Certainly not made of sugar and spice, and definitely human not a goddess.

    Is this just the lid being forcefully blown off the Madonna/Whore complex? Is it a huge shock to men because of the fairytales we’re sold as children that were never really true? Does the “Wall” of female attractiveness really exist…or is it as I suspect, that after decades of pasting a literal mask on everyday your natural beauty just fails utterly in comparison and when the first tiny wrinkle you can’t hide appears you are done for?

    Women need to be depedestalized, and men need to be helped up the hill.


  225. Cill says:

    digestives are known as Girl Guide Bikkies in more civilized climes


  226. Spawny Get says:


    expertly maintained neutrally buoyant, matey!

    Liked by 1 person

  227. Tarnished says:

    What is a jacket potato?


  228. Tarnished says:

    Perhaps. But what if it’s not?


  229. Cill says:

    I’m ignoring the last paragraph of 14 November, 2014 at 6:11 pm “Speaking of which…it’s tea time. jacket potato with venison and cranberry sausages and venison and pheasant sausages. mmm. and some heinz beans.” which I didn’t read or see.

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  230. Cill says:

    “expertly maintained neutrally buoyant, matey” Like turd πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜‰


  231. Cill says:

    Ever chased by turd in slipstream? It bounces on heels and taps on toes. Worse than shark.


  232. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Another present? More torture for the hangover sufferer. Aren’t you glad you’re not here?

    You did say that Chivas Regal was at the root of this?


  233. Spawny Get says:

    “jacket potato with venison and cranberry sausages and venison and pheasant sausages.”

    just eating me tea

    Liked by 1 person

  234. Cill says:

    Hey! Fem is Turd in the slipstream of Man, sucking off of our energy!
    (p.s. the “of” after “off” is so yanks will comprehend)

    Liked by 1 person

  235. Cill says:

    You bastard…


  236. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    If it’s not a deliberate provocation, then she has a long way to fall. It really is hard to imagine hubris on this scale.
    What is scary, is that she has a soapbox larger than the whole of the manosphere.

    Liked by 1 person

  237. Cill says:

    FITITS-SOOOP! (“Fem is Turd in the slipstream – sucking off of our energy!”)


  238. Cill says:

    I request that 14 November, 2014 at 6:30 pm be given a swift mercy-killing zapped.


  239. Cill says:

    Edit: FITITS-SOOOP! (β€œFem is Turd in the slipstream – sucking off of our energy pee power!”)


  240. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Here is a legitimate present. “The War That Made America” but, it’s not the war you think.
    It’s about what we call The French and Indian War and what you my call The Seven Years War.


  241. Spawny Get says:

    just had a mare of a meal. I cocked up and cooked too many venison and pheasant (and venison and cranberry) sausages…now I am doomed to a fate of venison and pheasant sausage sandwiches for brunch (home made fresh bread), OR venison and pheasant sausages with beans on toast…nightmare. Feel for me in my night of despair, brother.

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  242. Moehau Man says:

    Heh heh heh…



    Heh heh heh…


  243. Moehau Man says:

    Er, you may be laying it on a bit rich for young Cill there, Spawny. Young buggar’s turned the color of Yoda-
    Look out! Shit, he got it all over me…


  244. Padawan says:

    Damn, he just got it over me as well..
    Now I like Spawny’s dinner do smell


  245. Moehau Man says:

    Apropos video, young Fuzzy


  246. Spawny Get says:

    mmm…all washed down with a glass of Shiraz Cabernet Sauvignon (an experiment from Oz). Going to veg in front of t’telly with the rest of the bottle.


  247. Spawny Get says:

    Anyway, I gave you the gifts of bold, italic and back-struck…ingrate!

    catch u later, urgent chilling to be done

    Liked by 2 people

  248. Alana says:

    Happy birthday Cill!

    Gosh Spawny’s description of his meal has me salivating. The only food I have now are some sugared peanuts and some tuna, lol.


  249. Cill says:

    No comm… momm…. ommment!


  250. Alana says:

    Don’t forget to make a bday wish πŸ™‚


  251. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Did someone say dinner?

    Liked by 1 person

  252. Cill says:

    My birthday wish is people would stop being cruel to me!

    Liked by 1 person

  253. Cill says:

    What a lovely post at tarnishedsophia. It’s safer there. It’s only here that she’s cruel like the rest of you.

    Liked by 1 person

  254. Alana says:

    Lol I just realised from that video–bears usually walk on 4 legs, not 2! I kinda forget that, thanks to reading the Berenstain Bears books and watching Winnie the Pooh.


  255. Cill says:

    You know, on top of the lot that spent the night here, there’s another boatload of ’em coming today because it’s Saturday. I dunno if I can handle much more, I reckon I might take to the bush out back… just me and the dog and the horse…

    Liked by 1 person

  256. Spawny Get says:

    Jacket potato? Baked potato. Potato baked in its jacket.


  257. Cill says:

    Hangovers tend to make me pukey or chatty or both, so I’ll take me cell with me. Gawd help y’all.

    Liked by 1 person

  258. Spawny Get says:

    Some say that the peasants are revolting, but combined with venison and made into sausages? Nom nom nom.


  259. Spawny Get says:

    Best pop the phone in an aquaseal bag.


  260. Cill says:

    Spawny (off his dinner for once):

    “There’s some theorem about such movements ending up self-parodying. So the observer can no longer tell whether they’re serious or joking. Feminism has reached that place”

    Seriously, a truer word was never spoke.

    Liked by 1 person

  261. Spawny Get says:

    Is it Poe’s Law? Can’t remember right now.


  262. Cill says:

    Oh Tarn was talking about Lucozade! What was all that fluff about “Irn Bru” then?
    (I’m just now catching up with comments farther up, you see, and finding ways to trip you cruel lot up πŸ™‚ )

    Liked by 1 person

  263. Tarnished says:

    Feel better, Cill!

    Liked by 1 person

  264. Cill says:

    “I’m a happy drunk and just start talking funny bullshit” Only a bloke with movie star looks could say that. Funniness is only in the mind of he who provides living proof of the maxim: Not all movie stars are good looking
    Uh oh, I feel a whakapohane coming on… LOOK OUT!!! –
    πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚
    (strewth that was a biggee!)


  265. Spawny Get says:

    Lucozade is the same colour as irn bru but that’s all. Different drinks entirely.


  266. Cill says:

    “Until I start seeing real, normal women publicly giving her type shit for this crap, I will continue to believe that women fundamentally do not like men” (said Spawny)

    Yep. Y’know, when he stays off the grub he’s not too bad.

    Liked by 1 person

  267. Spawny Get says:

    Oh I’m off me grub now. After a delicious venison based sausage tea I won’t eat till brunch tomorrow. Where I will be finishing said processed deer tubular products…and pheasants and cranberries.


  268. Cill says:

    I ask,
    Are there any real, normal women publicly giving her type shit for this crap?
    Like, any women here right now?
    (says me, getting ready to sprint for the bush)
    (“bush” means “forest” Down Under)
    (Gawd I’m digging myself into a deep hole here)


  269. Tarnished says:

    No normies here, Cill. Sorry to disappoint. πŸ˜‰


  270. Spawny Get says:

    Serious Spawny has left the building leaving no ETR. Sorry bout that.


  271. Cill says:

    Serious Spawny has left the building leaving… who?
    (didn’t know there’s any such thing as a serious version. Can a man with movie star looks ever be seriously funny or serious? Was Clark Gable or Cloony?


  272. Cill says:

    Moe, you there? Did you know comments don’t wait for moderation at tarnishedsophia now? We need to trumpet this news forth like Spawny’s movie star good looks.


  273. Spawny Get says:

    Smirk all you want matey boy, I’m blood related to a genuine international movie superstar, winner of at least one highly prestigious award for acting…and I’m handsomer


  274. Yoda says:

    Irn Bru

    Drink this Yoda did.
    All Scottish Jedi drink it they do.


  275. Moehau Man says:

    “I’m blood related to a genuine international movie superstar”

    Heh heh…

    Why did the face of Boris Karloff pop into my mind just then?

    Yeah… true shoulder-shaking stuff that… heh heh heh…


  276. Spawny Get says:

    You looked in a mirror?


  277. Spawny Get says:

    I’m more of a Frodo or Bilbo type.


  278. Cill says:

    Definitely not Frodo. I refuse to believe that I’ve been talking to a baby-face pretty boy all this while.
    So it’s Doctor Watson then, he who stars along with Cumberpbatch.


  279. Spawny Get says:

    My comment is awaiting publication, thus Fuzzie’s fame cannot yet be said to be unleashed. Interesting story


  280. Spawny Get says:

    I can only speak the truth unto the interweb…if the truth be not recognised *shrug*


  281. Cill says:

    That latest link Spawny is very intriguing. I want to get into it but I’m copping a load of interruptions here. My drunkenness (which occurs but once a year) is like a hoar frost upon frost upon frost…


  282. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    I went there. Great link. How were you going to make me famous?


  283. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    Hey Cill,
    Back in my drunk days, I learned a very valuable lesson: Alcohol is like violence. You can usually solve the immediate problem with more of what caused it.


  284. Spawny Get says:

    Didn’t my comment link back to yours? They’ll be wanting your autograph…$$$


  285. Spawny Get says:

    “hoar frost upon frost upon frost…”
    That’s a lot of frosting! Big cake? Lot of candles?

    Liked by 1 person

  286. Cill says:

    “That’s a lot of frosting! Big cake?”
    Ah me old Empire, it’s good you bring me back from the insensible levels of joy happening here…
    That’s another thing, I wax poetic whilst in my cups.

    “You can usually solve the immediate problem with more of what caused it.” Now that’s a thought that will require pondering upon tomorrow or the day after.


  287. Spawny Get says:

    ” wax poetic whilst in my cups.”

    Et moi aussi mon brave. Je soupcon que, de temps en temps, je commence de parler (ecriver?) en francais aussi.


  288. Spawny Get says:

    Me too mate. I suspect that, from time to time, I also start to speak (write?) in French.


  289. Spawny Get says:

    It both had to be told in French and was funnier in French. You just blew the double act!

    Night soon.


  290. Spawny Get says:

    Ask Molly if that was funny, or your Mum. Maybe they’ll recognise my true comic genius (and movie star good looks)?


  291. Spawny Get says:

    As worn by your science and engineering heroes, yours for $60
    #shirtgate #shirtstorm


  292. Cill says:

    Six words vs 20 words to say the same thing? Gimme Pommy lingo any day of the week. You Poms have done some good things (psst don’t tell the Fems that)


  293. Spawny Get says:

    I make it 18 vs 20…have been drinking? πŸ˜‰

    I’ll quote the two versions above…scroll up on a minute


  294. Cill says:

    ” wax poetic whilst in my cups” has only 6 words, unless I’m seeing thriple.


  295. Spawny Get says:

    See? πŸ˜‰

    Happy birthday, have fun

    Good night


  296. Spawny Get says:

    If you’re seeing tribbles and you’re not at a star trek convention…best make the next drink a coke with a side order of lay down in a darkened room for a bit.

    No feedback on my joke from the expert panel?


  297. Cill says:

    Hi Spawny!
    We meet right when Molly t’Molly betta go b’Golly!
    ‘Bye from me. Luv ya’all

    Molly πŸ™‚


  298. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am watching a lot of TruthOverEverything on youtube.
    I am getting saddder and sadder. *sniff*


  299. Farm Boy says:


    Contact me at this email

    [SG – Done]


  300. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, you’re od’ing on the red pill again. Try reading the dribble above πŸ˜‰
    Twitter is fun on #shirtstorm, I just got retweeted by Uncle Bern Chapin.
    Life is good, brother. Don’t over do the negative.


  301. Spawny Get says:

    Sleeeeeep now….

    Also Literally Wu follow up interview after Pakman show


  302. Cill says:

    Fuzzie there’s a lot of positive out there bro. When I’m out on the sea the underswell starts at land. If it gets momentum it is an undercurrent beyond the horizon. It disturbs the surface. The waves I see at my small level are ripples on wider waves etc etc. The biggest swell is the curvature of the Earth. That is the sea change. Trust me Fuzzie.

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  303. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    You must have eaten something that did not agree with you. You’re green.

    Spawny, Cill, and Molly,
    Good night! Sleep well!

    Liked by 1 person

  304. Cill says:

    Thanks Fuzzie! It’s too early to go to bed here. Maybe if I were a bear…

    Liked by 1 person

  305. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    My mind boggles at the thought of you being seventeen hours ahead. Whien I post this, you should be at three o’clock in the afternoon.


  306. Cill says:

    Molly had to leave because she has a long voyage home and she has to work tomorrow. The time here is 4pm.


  307. Cill says:

    Without daylight savings, Fuzzy, I am 17 hours ahead, and it would at the time of your comment have been 3 pm your tomorrow.


  308. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, it’s easy to work out if you have a globe of Earth and see the lines of Longitude as divisions of time. One revolution from Indiana back around to Indiana is 24 hours. I know I’m stating the obvious, but the obvious is too often smudged by the false paraphernalia that too easily hijacks the mind of humanity. I’m saying, when I’m out with nothing to see but sea and sky, this world, for all its size, is not very big. The horizon seems damn close. To me “obvious” = a world that is finite for all things, including feminism.


  309. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I do remember seeing the beginning of a documentary hosted by Peter Ustinov about Russia. Before the break up, they covered seventeen time zones. It would hurt George W. Bush to admit it but, that’s bigger than Texas.


  310. Cill says:

    Fuzzie I can’t be bothered checking how many time zones China covers, but it’s a lot. Last I was there all of it was officially one time zone. Cool when you can say “now let’s all work as a team and do things my way” (as feminism does)


  311. Yoda says:

    You’re green.

    It is not easy being green.


  312. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I could see how China could do that. While from one end to the other, all the clocks are set the same, the time at which you do things would be dictated by the sun. Can’t have kids going off to school in full dark.


  313. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    “It’s not easy being green.”
    That line is owned by Kermit the Frog. While Yoda had to battle Dooku and the Emperor, Kermit had to deal with Miss Piggy.
    Poor Kermit!

    Liked by 1 person

  314. Cill says:

    Daylight savings: “Can’t have kids going off to school in full dark”

    I detest the meddling of idle warts who’ve not done one productive thing in their entire saprophytic lives.
    Like George Vernon Hudson (or fems)

    Ignore my seriousness. πŸ™‚ I’m sounding off. But doggon it, we men all need to sound off some time!

    Liked by 1 person

  315. Cill says:

    Like this: F-U-U-U-U-K!


  316. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Written into their stste constitution, Arizona maintains Mountain Standard Time all year.
    You are not alone in feeling this way.
    Whille watching the National Treasure, one of the lines was that Benjamin Franklin supported Daylight Savings Time.


  317. Cill says:

    Fuzzy (you’re probably asleep),

    Imagine asking the cows to be ready for milking an hour before nature is ready, just because some idle city wanker wants an extra hour on the beach to prognosticate his divorce? Cows don’t play that. Nature don’t play that.


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