What do you think?


I have seen this video in the recommended list to the side of a number of videos that I’ve watched for months now.  I’ve not viewed it until I saw it again in comments on Dalrock’s blog this morning.  Why hadn’t I watched it?  Because me going MOW has nothing to do with hurting women, it’s about looking at the reality of the world around me and choosing the path that makes me happiest of the paths available.  I don’t care what women think about MGTOW.  If they were doing anything about the concerns of men…I might be interested.  stop laughing at the back (the very concept is laughable)

The fact that if enough guys do this, society will start hurting and might actually starting to give a toss about men?  *shrug*  might help some other guys.  So that’s nice.  But it’s nothing to do with me and my choices.  I will use my resources to make my life as good as is possible.  I have been taught that any other path is detrimental to my life.  Society will just take and take and take…never any gratitude, at most a grudging return of part of the resources taken from me as long as no woman is harmed (even in her fevered imagination), never any concern except to get my vote.  Even then the political class from the local council on up to the UN doesn’t care about men even enough to lie about caring about men.  And that’s why I don’t care right on back.

The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.

Anyway, the video

This isn’t our enemy, I think that it’s the female version of a male incel.  The difference being male incels can’t get sex and love, she can’t get a personal white knight (which she might actually return the love of sincerely).  If you need to be persuaded to spend the whole fourteen odd minutes of the video, skip forward to the eight minute mark and listen for a minute.  My impression from listening to this video is that I was listening to a sincere person.

Her problem?  She understands why men are turning from women (in committed relationships) and going their own way because of the actions of women and society…she understands…and she is getting hurt in the process right along side the men.

But at the end of the day I haven’t much sympathy to give.  All I can say is, without any schadenfreude, effectively…welcome to the world of men.  Your talk about not being valued for anything except sex is the exact mirror of men’s only being valued as providers, protectors and a source of proxy social status for women.

I don’t get joy from the likes of her ending up alone, but caring about it has been beaten out of me by experience.  I know full well that if society acted to correct the problems that both some women and many men have…it would be to address the issues of women only.  How do I know this?  Because it’s what happens pretty much every damn time.

Got any views?

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97 comments on “What do you think?
  1. Tarnished says:

    MGTOW isn’t meant to hurt women, but a decent percentage (especially when MGTOWforums was still around) of MGTOWs definitely acted like it was a major part of their decision to go their own way. That sure, going your own way was good for financial reasons…emotional reasons…legal reasons…but those were icing on the cake of being able to hurt women. Some told of acting just as sadistic as the women they said made them MGTOWs, like the guy who would gleefully set up date upon date on Okcupid only to never show up, or the man who bragged about treating female cashiers like shit because he knew that as the customer they couldn’t say anything. These men were using MGTOW to actively harm women, which means they still gave a damn what women thought of them. Not really MGTOW, imo.

    As for this woman, you can hear in her voice that she is sincere. I really don’t think she is mentally capable of hurting a man “for cash and prizes”, just as I am not. The difference is, she both wants and needs a man to feel complete (especially given her no sex till marriage rule), whereas I want my FwB and I love him…but at the end of the day, I don’t *need* him. I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be older than 17 and feel like you *need* someone. To feel incomplete when you have no partner, rather than knowing you’re a full person on your own.

    I think this video shows one of the casualties of our society, not necessarily just MGTOW. She speaks of being wanted only for sex…men speak of being wanted only for resources. It’s 2 halves of the same Sexiest Pie, and it’s the honestly good people who are hurt by it the most. It won’t be enough for MGTOW to be taken seriously, because the government can just use it to justify bachelor taxes. It has to affect enough people who are like this woman…who love men and care about them on non-materialistic levels…to make people sit up and say “hey, maybe the laws should change!”

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  2. Spawny Get says:

    “These men were using MGTOW to actively harm women, which means they still gave a damn what women thought of them. Not really MGTOW, imo.”

    I suspect that it’s like the red-pill in general, such anger fades (for most people). There’s a link to such a site on my links page. I went there and started reading the jokes. There’s some camp-fire brotherhood fun to be had. More generally, on other pages, I don’t remember reading any stories of men standing up women deliberately, but having had it happen to me twice (yes, I mean by women) I can’t say I’m that upset by the concept. The cashier thing just sounds spiteful, but again that’s hardly a purely male on female thing. These things shouldn’t happen in either direction because they’re purely spiteful and help improve nothing for anybody. (And I know you’d agree with that).

    “I think this video shows one of the casualties of our society”
    Yep. I’m just more concerned about da menz because they get far less sympathy / empathy / concern or even action (community groups and outreach). I just don’t take pleasure from her pain. As I said, she’s not our enemy. But it doesn’t sound like she’s worried about the men for the sake of the men so much as being concerned about the men due to the repercussions of their reactions on herself. (Maybe that’s a little cynical, maybe I’m just feeling a little cynical. experience has taught me to be so).

    “the government can just use it to justify bachelor taxes”
    The only new thing there would be if such new taxes were openly called bachelor taxes instead of the usual existing covert transfer of money from women to men that most current taxes amount to.

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  3. Moehau Man says:

    Gidday. Moe here, at six o’clock on the compass. Been working all night. Greetings from the rugged Coromandel.

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  4. Spawny Get says:

    Working all night?

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  5. Cill says:

    This is a timely post. The video cut deeply for me, because her words are those I have heard from women I respect a lot. It can be difficult to cope with the heartfelt quality of the appeal. You don’t need a post from my mother because she would repeat in effect the woman of the video, calmly and sincerely. Mum, however, would go on to mention some of the things that must change in the law and institutions etc.

    Those “things that must change” make it impossible for me to relate to western women (apart from those of my first paragraph, my relatives). They are working towards a point where we harass them by breathing the same air. It’s not me rejecting them, it’s them making it impossible for me to exist in their world. My existence oppresses them. Theirs is the ultimate hatred.

    Tarn, my parents would say they need the love of each other, but it’s a need they wish upon themselves as free thinking people. It’s difficult to explain.

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  6. Spawny Get says:

    I aim to please, Cill.

    The problem is that by delaying the old settling down bit, women are allowing men to discover that these days they don’t really need a woman for anything except kids and sex. Get your shopping online, laundry is no issue, cooking is fine (maybe even enjoyable). Women’s delaying allows men to put sex in perspective in their lives. Hell, even Roosh isn’t so shaggo-centric in his thinking any more. I don’t mean that sex loses it’s appeal, but as you age the women you’re shopping among do tend to. The appeal of night clubs drops as well. Basically you find other ways to spend the time and money, ones with better returns (CappyCap has posts on this).

    Can women be nice to be around? yes, they can be, they might be. Is sex nice? yes, it really can be with an attractive enthusiastic partner. Do men want to be held to ransom over getting it? NO. In other ways are women better than male friends to be around? no, not really. All of a sudden your social life gets structured around her family and friends in a way that yours is probably not around yours. Maybe you’re not all that fussed by the new inlaws, her work colleagues and friends and their dramas and their christenings and their baby showers and their reunions with people you don’t know and don’t want to. Women believe that that stuff is far more important than you do and for some reason seem believe that you need to believe as they do. As men age their ability to say, “sorry, but I’m not interested in doing that” rises. That might be called selfishness, or ‘not giving a crap about trivial stuff – a matter of perspective, discuss.

    So as this nice woman says, the guys she meets are only looking for sex – that’s the good bit as far as men are concerned! Now that may not be exactly true, but the hassle of relationships anyway means that most men aren’t looking to invest serious time in any woman under a ‘9’ (say – I hate these numbers) before finding out if nookie is going to be good and plentiful. Even if men are looking for an LTR, they still want to know what the prospects for getting nookie are from the start till after the marriage and a few sprogs…let’s be serious here.

    And a woman saving herself for marriage (which is cool if you’re going to marry her IMHO – check the divorce stats vs the woman’s N at marriage. N > 0 (or 1 if that’s you) makes a difference, a big one) is clearly one capable of reining in her sex-drive. Which from a man’s perspective means that she’ll be able to do that as a weapon in an LTR / marriage if she chooses too. And women and society will cheer her on as she does it, or just laugh at you. So, it’s a very mixed issue from a man’s point of view. (and her’s, but this is a male site. plenty of wimminz sites for women to get their woes addressed).

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  7. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    i think I saw this video over a year ago and watched the rest on her youtube channel. This gal is Swedish, so there are going to be cultural differences.. What is interesting , is that she went on a quest for knowledge to understand this confused SMP/MMP froma man’s perspective.
    Given a one to one male/female proportion, for every male that is chewed up by this marketplace, there has to be one woman that goes by the wayside. She’s a casualty too.

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  8. Spawny Get says:

    And they’re at it again.

    The Beeb just now reporting the Nigerian school bombing, assembly packed with ‘children’, 46 ‘students’ dead, many more mystery bipeds injured…oh yeah, it’s a boy’s school. Does anyone seriously think that if it were a girl’s school, the reports wouldn’t be screaming about GIRLS dead. Just as ManWomanMyth said in one of his videos…men and boys don’t count as people worth identifying. Only women and children can…in this case not even boys do.

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  9. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Man Woman Myth was the place that did introduce me to the concept.
    By giving the victims an gender INspecific identity, it does reduce the suffering that men undergo in the public;s eye because they are not exposed to it.

    About Boko Haram, these guys are just mad dog killers.

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  10. Cill says:

    An example of “things that must change” :
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/03/sexual-harassment-policy-that-nearly-ruined-life/hY3XrZrOdXjvX2SSvuciPN/story.html?event=event25?event=event25

    The same thing happened to a friend of mine. My friend had the good sense to avoid women ever since, unlike Patrick Witt. Some guys just never learn. It will happen to Witt again one day if he continues that foolish practice. These laws make it inevitable.

    The California “Yes Means Yes” law will lead to similar laws throughout the feminized world. The ranks of the MGTOW will balloon.

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  11. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    There is a legal definition to the term “hostile enviornment” in the US. In the past, women have used this for civil prosecution in sexual harrassment. What we have here on campus is something far worse than women ever had to suffer through.
    I would advise men intent on college to do as much of it online as possible.

    While I saw it recently, I can’t recall where I did. I’ll paraphrase. With Yes Means Yes, feminists have acquired a threatpoint similar to that which wives hold. All it takes is a phone call, and a man’s life is ruined.

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  12. Spawny Get says:

    RazorBladeKandy

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  13. Spawny Get says:

    Sandman – Transgender women

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  14. Yoda says:

    With Yes Means Yes, feminists have acquired a threatpoint similar to that which wives hold. All it takes is a phone call, and a man’s life is ruined.

    Insightful bear is.

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  15. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Someone else came to that conclusion. I do have to wonder. Boy see girl. Boy likes girl. Boy wants to bond with girl. Is that so awful? It’s siick that feminists would turn natural impulses against men.

    Spawny Get,
    In RBK’s video there was a lot of “charty goodness”. I was not aware that there was so much more interest in MGTOW than Pau Elam’s little corner. No wonder he wants to bring the MGTOWs into his tent.

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  16. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie tipped me to the issue, I wasn’t aware of numbers either. Most encouraging, hard to force some one who has stopped caring to the proverbial negotiating table.

    Imho MGTOWs don’t want to add male studies to the gender studies like others do…So there are other differences.

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  17. Padawan says:

    Yoda should peruse reports
    To quote in his first posting
    To give the fembots’ puppet courts
    A Jedi’s mighty roasting

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  18. Cill says:

    Male studies will be hijacked by the fems, and become another vehicle for their Women’s Studies hogwash.

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  19. Spawny Get says:

    Yep,maybe some room made in the victim hierarchy for a few pc acceptable men. You can’t reform current academic feminism.

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  20. Farm Boy says:

    It’s sick that feminists would turn natural impulses against men.

    Exploit would be a better term.

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  21. Cill says:

    RBK gives no source for his data?
    MGTOW is growing all right, all over the place, that’s what I’ve been saying. But there’s still no actual data. There’s no way of knowing the number of MGTOWs. Is he making assumptions from google’s algorithm? It seems to me he’s not at all clear about that.

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  22. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Oh, that Lena! If her aim was to garner publicity, has she not succeeded? While her career was flagging, this may be enough to keep it going a while longer. In the meanwhile, she is kind of a sicko.

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  23. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    An outstanding rant from Captain Capitalism. While it is off topic, it does relate to boyissues and feminism, in that teachers are very much so.

    http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2014/11/what-snow-days-tell-us-about-american.html

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  24. Yoda says:

    she is kind of a sicko.

    Avoid carbs she should.
    Less sick she would be

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  25. Yoda says:

    maybe some room made in the victim hierarchy

    Crowded it is.
    Limited resources are.
    Football Coach Vince Lombardi said,
    “Though many will aspire to become victims, not all will achieve it”

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  26. Padawan says:

    Yoda write post he should
    More famous he would be

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  27. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Are you saying that if she avoids carbs, she’ll be sweet, feminine, and good company?
    “Avoid carbs she should.”

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  28. Padawan says:

    Lombardi the golden rule disobeys.
    His statement a verb at the end lacks.

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  29. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Padawan,
    It is a long way from the Sandwich Isles to Yoda’s home. Perhaps he will write while on the journey. In the meanwhile, while he is there, let us all hope that he samples many good sandwiches.

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  30. Yoda says:

    Yoda write post he should
    More famous he would be

    Patience Padawan.
    A Jedi seeks fame not.

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  31. Yoda says:

    Busy I am.
    Green the Sammich Isles are.
    Green like I do.

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  32. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well, I’m not too sure about you foreign blokes. This business about a verb at the end of each and every sentence… Well, I never heard it spoken that way in all my years in the rugged Coromandel. It’s not as if we don’t have a lot of people here. either. After all, we have 27000 souls in an area of 3441 square kilometers.

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  33. Moehau Man says:

    That’s 1330 square miles according to the strange measurement conventions of you foreigners.

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  34. Moehau Man says:

    That’s an average of 20 people per square mile, which is getting pretty dense.

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  35. Farm Boy says:

    Moe,

    Does everybody there look like you?

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  36. Moehau Man says:

    Sir Moehau Man Esq. (my esteemed old dad) always said the Sandwich Islanders slew Captain Cook. That was a rather hostile act, if you ask me. After all, it’s not as if the Poms make good eating or anything.

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  37. Moehau Man says:

    Well young Farm Boy, there are two broad types in the rugged Coromandel. There are the Homo Sapiens Sapiens, with whom your foreign jokers will be familiar. Then there’s Homo Moehau Man Sapiens, which is where I fit in. I’d be a fairly typical looking Homo Moehau Man Sapiens, perhaps on the superior side of average, though I says it meself. We are easily distinguished from the Homo Sapiens Sapiens by the fact that we swing a Kauri Club in one hand. Of course, our culture is different too. Homo Sapiens Sapiens professes a dislike of human flesh, probably due to the fact that they’ve never tasted it.

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  38. Moehau Man says:

    They bestowed a knighthood upon Sir Moehau Man Esq. (my esteemed old dad) who was polite toward them, and tried to respect their abhorrence of human flesh by eating as few of them as possible.

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  39. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Moehau Man,
    When it comes to eating humans, we bears try to avoid doing that. It does get them all riled up. If they wanted us to eat humans, they might offer us Andrea Dworkin and that would be enough for any bear to lose his appetite.

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  40. Moehau Man says:

    That’s a very good thought, young Fuzzy. I’ve heard tell, though, that the flesh of a feminist is bitter even after 12 hours in the pot, and that no amount of seasoning can overcome the acrid aftertaste. Otherwise we’d have a copious and replaceable food source for the under-nourished of the world, all the victims of Patriarchal Capitalism.

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  41. Yoda says:

    Three hour tour upon I embark.
    Mary Ann do I search.

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  42. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Well, Moehau Man, that must be why we can enjoy nuts and berries. Yum!

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  43. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    If you manage to get Farm Boy together with MaryAnn, please tell them to stay on the island. They’ll be much happier and, so will their kids.

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  44. Moehau Man says:

    Venison is my favorite. Mrs Moehau Man (my discerning old mum) likes it too.

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  45. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Moehau Man,
    How does she feel about sashimi? We like it very much.

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  46. Moehau Man says:

    sashimi is quite good, but it lacks the gamey toughness of venison. I prefer meat that makes my jaws work hard. My jaw muscles are anchored to a ridge on top of my skull, and require a lot of exercise to stay healthy.

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  47. Cill says:

    I’m the opposite of Moe. I’ve eaten a lot of venison out in the wild and can’t find a way to overcome the gamey toughness. After a hunt, the fresh meat is full of fresh adrenaline which is not nice. It’s a pity, because it’s one of the pleasures of life to prepare a meal out in the wild and share it with friends out in nature.

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  48. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I have heard that preparing venison takes a skill beyond that which is needed for domestic food. To start with, it’s all lean.

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  49. Cill says:

    I got this from
    http://forums.avoiceformen.com/showthread.php?8043-reliable-MGTOW-stats

    “In the future, there will be two types of men. Those who marry and those who don’t. The guys who marry will most likely end up divorced. These men will be poor, eating bologna sandwich, living in trailer parks, holding down 2 jobs in order to survive and pay alimony. MGTOW men will work hard, save every penny, pay off their homes and retire early. These men will have an easy life full of free time and world travel.

    Success breeds success. Young men in the future will have something to compare. Do they follow married guys down the rat hole of disappear? Or do the follow MGTOWs and live the happy life on your own terms.”

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  50. Yoda says:

    These men will be poor, eating bologna sandwich

    Sammiches women make they will not.
    Sad this is.

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  51. Cill says:

    Quite a few men have looked at me and gone down the MGTOW path. They don’t need any persuading. The majority I know, or know about, are already “single and not looking”.

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  52. Cill says:

    Yes Fuzzy my cooking skills are basic. I’ve heard the best way for gamey venison is chop it up fine and mix it with some sort of herb before cooking. Bloom was going to give me a recipe but she’s forgotten.

    We are limited in the cooking gear and herbs etc we can carry on a hunt. Venison is the only over-gamey game.

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  53. Cill says:

    So Yoda:
    (a) Have you found MaryAnn?
    (b) Who the hell is MaryAnn anyway?

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  54. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Guys, Yoda’s assessment on this is spot on. “Sad this is.” If all men are seen to fail in marriage, why try. The current statistic of a fifty percent failure rate is too much. If it were twenty percent, that might be sustainable.

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  55. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    MaryAnn was one of the characters in the American TV series Gillgan’s Island from the 60s. A charter boat is wrecked on an island with an odd group of passengers. Two of them are single women, Ginger, the gorgeaous bombshell and MaryAnn, the wholsome girl next door.

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  56. Moehau Man says:

    I would say MaryAnn would be the kind of woman for old Moe here. I do have assets to offer a woman. Some prime caves, enough prize hangi stones for 6 fire-pits, a collection of fine Kauri Clubs, some specially smoke-hardened bones and skulls for drumming, and a good dollop of dash and wit. Could you blokes give me her email? Meantime, feel free to show her my avatar photo.

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  57. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Moehau Man,
    I think Farm Boy has been carrying a torch for MaryAnn since grade school. Perhaps we should contact an actress who has played a cavewoman who may know someone approppiate for you. We could start with Raquel Welch or Daryl Hannah.
    Daryl Hannah, Clan of the Cave Bear, may be the better choice. She may also know about girl bears.

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  58. Cill says:

    “I think Farm Boy has been carrying a torch for MaryAnn since grade school”
    Well it looks like there’s going to be clash between him and Yoda for a start. That’s why I thought I’d throw my hat into the ring. Oh well, win a few lose a few. It’s back to MGHOW for me, and pretty glad I am about it too, when I really think about it. Marriage is slavery these days.

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  59. Cill says:

    Do you think this is what it claims to be?
    http://mgtowhistory.com/

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    Cautiously Pessimistic turned up last night (my night)
    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2014/11/07/mgtow-and-the-mrm/comment-page-1/#comment-2673

    thought I’d flag it up as otherwise it’d be unlikely to be seen except by people stumbling over it in less active thread.

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  61. Spawny Get says:

    “Do you think this is what it claims to be?”

    I know there was a more organised version of MGTOW years ago. The No ma’am website is still there
    http://no-maam.blogspot.co.uk/

    much fine content there. Just added it to the links page (redux)

    Whether the two are compatible? I don’t know. But talk of a manifesto etc does sound plausible (at that time, not so much anymore).

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    An interesting read
    http://conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-labours-real-problem-ed-sanctimonious-feminists-alienated-working-class-vote/
    “The truth, I suspect, is one that everyone knows but dare not admit. Like the emperor’s new clothes, no one on the left, not even the UNITE union boss Len McCluskey, dare own up to how very unattractive is this new breed of right-on, feminist Marxists who have taken over the people’s party.

    “Without apparently any debate in the party, Labour’s largely male socialist past has transmuted into a feminist and feminized future. Today the party obsesses over gender parity and universal childcare; no longer for full (male) employment. Earnings must be the same for women as well as for men – even if women are part-time or occasional workers. Men no longer are deemed to have any extra responsibilities, even if women would like them to. That would be patriarchal and must be stamped out in the new choice-free utopia.

    This I believe is what Ed’s leadership problem stems from – the implacable rise of Labour’s monstrous regiment of women, the systematic emasculation and marginalisation of Labour’s men, and their imposition of uniform and prescriptive ‘choices’ for women and children.”

    Personally I wouldn’t put feminism atop of any list of reasons not to vote for these traitorous to the nation, serially incompetent, paedophilia enabling and covering up, PC, spend-a-holic wank-pots.

    Angry Harry joins in in the comments of the post

    http://www.angryharry.com/ Angry Harry

    I can’t tell you how happy it makes me to see that more people – like you – are alerting the public to the poison that is feminism.

    But it is the desire for money and power, not ideology, that is driving feminism, and the public needs to wake up to this too. …

    http://www.angryharry.com/esWhyGovernmentsLoveFeminism.htm

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  63. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Angry Harry said what I was going to. It’s good that there are women out there that are condemning feminism and reinforcing the old saying th”that there is no such thing as a free lunch”.

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  64. Cill says:

    We have Under-swell going on all over the place.

    Wait for Undercurrent ➡ Sea Change

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  65. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, yep. And Cill.

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  66. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well as I say, the nipple nob is what you hold onto in bed if there’s an earthquake. There’s no mystery about, I mean it’s as plain as the nose on your face.

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  67. Alana says:

    I do feel kinda bad for her. She wants to get married and it’s gonna require lots of effort. I saw some of the comments on Dalrock and Anonymous Reader wrote: “Such a woman (plain woman who does not wish to have sex outside of marriage) can get wifed up provided she puts herself into a conservative religious mileau such as Lyn87’s or Novaseeker’s or Cail Corishev’s church, but that could be a higher price than some women want to pay. Note the use of the word “can”, she can get married but there is not a guarantee even there.”

    I agree with that commenter. She needs to look around in certain envts; she seems to have tried online dating and that didn’t work but I’ve read on Evan’s website that some people who met their spouse on OL dating had met many many pple first–one reasonably attractive early-30s woman Julia had met 50 guys in 2 years before meeting her fiance! I think meeting 50 is a bit much, but I wouldn’t be surprised if someone had to meet several pple online before finding a future spouse.

    I don’t like to say this, but not only is this woman physically unattractive, she looks (to me) nowhere near 31 years old–which is apparently her age according to a commenter on Dalrock. I think it’s because many facial features which are considered feminine and beautiful are also associated with youth–e.g. large eyes and full lips. By not being born with those features, not only is she not considered pretty, but also appears older.

    I think one of the original aims of feminism which I can actually kinda agree with is the hope that women wouldn’t be judged so much on their appearance, but also on their brains, personalities etc. And yet modern day feminism doesn’t seem to have benefited the plain women like the Swedish lady in the video, because it’s made relationships and marriage more unappealing to so many men.

    Lastly that made me appreciate my current bf more. He’s a westerner (my previous bf was Asian though) but we haven’t slept together yet after 7 dates, and he doesn’t pressure me at all. In fact, I actually felt kinda bad about it cos I know that he might not be used to that, being from a more liberal culture, but he insists he’s happy in the rship. Hope that lasts. 🙂

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  68. Alana says:

    At least the woman in the video still stays a good person despite finding it difficult to have what she wants. There are some sociopathic women who start playing really dirty. I was stunned when I saw this post at Evan’s website earlier this year.

    http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/sex/invasion-of-the-sperm-snatchers/

    It talks about how a 42% of surveyed women admitted to being willing to lie about contraceptive use to secretly get pregnant (I hope that it’s not a representative sample of the population! It’s done by the Daily Mail after all), and quotes a DM author who admiited to “sperm snatching” ie trying to impregnate oneself with sperm from a condom!!!

    Just on the 1st page of comments, there’s a commenter Fleur (#14) who admitted to having been a “sperm snatcher” before–thank goodness she failed at it. Imagine how the poor guy could’ve been on the hook for 18 years of child support.

    One male commenter said ” I am going to scrub down the post sex environment like a cross between a surgical theater and a crime scene. Long term solution> I am going to get a vasectomy. And I am going to write the check for my 2 sons (with incentives if necessary).”

    This is the world we live in now. Smh.

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  69. Alana says:

    Oh when I said she could try online dating, I meant certain websites for religious people. It’d be v hard for her on more mainstream websites.

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  70. Yoda says:

    She wants to get married and it’s gonna require lots of effort.

    Act feminine she should.
    Resist men cannot.

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  71. Alana says:

    @Yoda: Lol! Feminine behavior does help.

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  72. Cill says:

    Actually I think the lady in the video is okay as is. In NZ we have predatory promiscuous princesses all over the place and a pretty face can lose its appeal pretty quick. Give me a pretty mind over a pretty face any day of the week.

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  73. Cill says:

    Do I just use the word “pretty”?
    Pretty sure I did, unless I’m pretty much mistaken.

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  74. Cill says:

    Yes, feminine appeals, but kindness and character appeal a helluva lot more and there’s not a helluva lot of it.

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  75. Alana says:

    @Cill: Cool, u sound like a nice guy. =) Yeah I’d pick a plain but nice woman over a “predatory promiscuous princess” too, lol. But unfortunately for the Swedish lady, she hasn’t met a guy who thinks like u yet.

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  76. Alana says:

    Btw kinda disappointed that so many NZ women are apparently like that. Somehow because NZ is known for its natural beauty, I’d imagined NZ women as being generally very down-to-earth and laidback, not “predatory” or princessy. 😦

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  77. Cill says:

    I wonder how fragile “sex appeal” is? Not just me, but a lot of my mates too now associate pretty faces with entitlement and narcissism. After a while their behavior conditions us to find pretty faces unpleasant. It’s a real deep fundamental turn-off going on.

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  78. Cill says:

    In NZ until recently there had never been anything other than a “woman drought”. Women enjoyed all the advantages of that, best working environment for women etc. Now, though, there’s an acute “man drought” and women are not coping with it realistically. The princess behavior has become more, not less extreme.

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  79. Yoda says:

    Feminine behavior does help.

    Like bears to honey it attracts.

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  80. Cill says:

    So Alana, the Swedish lady and the pretty young things would be on a level playing field and character would determine the attraction.

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  81. Yoda says:

    Not just me, but a lot of my mates too now associate pretty faces with entitlement and narcissism. After a while their behavior conditions us to find pretty faces unpleasant.

    Instinctual reactions overridden they can.
    Much force to overcome it requires.

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  82. Alana says:

    Uh how come there was a “woman drought” in NZ? 😮

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  83. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    How about feminine bears bringing honey?
    That’s a happy bear thought!

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  84. Cill says:

    “Instinctual reactions overridden they can”
    Feminism has instilled the behavior in women that conditions us away from them.

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  85. Cill says:

    Alana,
    The European immigrants who took the 6 months voyage half way around the world to get here were all men. There was nothing for the European women here, no houses, no roads, no anything except forests and mountains. With the sparse population, a took a long time to set up the infrastructures. There was a huge surplus of men up to WW1 which killed off a lot of the male population. The 1918 flu epidemic killed even more than the war did. The male to female population ratio evened out for only a few years before the ever-increasing immigration of males led to more man surplus. WW2, which killed off 25% of NZ’s “marriage age” men, brought the figures back to parity only briefly.

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  86. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I am beginning to think that someone did something terrible ans deliberate to you. I my case, it simplle too much rejection but, I have the feeling that someone really set out to hurt you.

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  87. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, I have great women in my life, and as you know, I’m related to all of them. Every one of them is beautiful by appearance as well as by nature, so I’m guilty of having got a bit carried away. A pretty women remains pretty as long as she’s not a princess.
    My apologies to you and Alana (and anyone else “listening”)

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  88. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I was a little worried. Now, I’m not.

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  89. Alana says:

    Thanks for the explanation on NZ demographics, Cill. No need to apologise, we know it’s only the conceited women u can’t stand. 🙂

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  90. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, you have expressed some concern about my past several times, that’s the only reason I gave the link. No need to worry, honestly, my Ursine friend.

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  91. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cull,
    I was thinking that there was something that you weren’t telling us that we might be able to help you with. It sounds like you’re hurting and maybe there is help for it. Sorry to intrude.

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  92. Cill says:

    You weren’t intruding, Fuzzy! I put the link there so you can see what makes me mad sometimes. It happens in flashes, less and less as time goes by, and doesn’t rule my life. Rather than think you’re intruding, I should thank you for your concern. No worries, bro.

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