Once again a reply in comments spawns a post (thanks Alana)
Interestingly there’s a split between MGTOWs and MRAs going on. Where the MGTOWs are (plausibly IMHO) saying that the MRM is being overrun by traditionalists (gynocentrists / trad cons etc) at the moment.
a) frigging ridiculous (such men are married to the state as well as their wives)
b) like an attempt to claim leadership of MGTOWs and so be able to…
c) make MGTOW a friendly term for marketing to trad cons who are married and sniffing around the manosphere looking for a label.
Personally I’ll be following the MGTOW side of the split, but am not too fussed because however the MRM markets MGTOW-waffer-lite(tm), once the newbies are in and look around…many will be heading for real MGTOW territory. I am a little pissed at the ridiculousness of the claim, but it’s not worth fighting. The battle will be won in the long run anyway. You can’t encourage men to consider themselves as human beings (not doings) and then not have them take a foray down the rabbit hole.
The split has been developing for quite a while as I haven’t changed any of my views (I’ve stood still) while the distance between me and AVFM has grown inexorably over the last year or two. I can’t put a finger on why or when, but I barely visit any more, though I do check out Paul’s YouTube channel regularly, I urge them (again) to upload everything that they have as soon as it is produced.
AVFM has been growing (great) but losing definition while doing it (not so great). BUT while AVFM is fighting the good fight over Kellet and Perrette (for example – legal injustices). Spreading a male friendly message. Arranging conferences. I wish them well. They are not my enemy, they are still an ally, they just fight on a different front.
A few of the relevant links in no particular order, others exist.
The MRM’s Faulty Assumptions by John the Other
This is where MGTOW leads to when enough men tune out. People ought to think about this. Is this really where women want to end up? Real equality with men?
To me MGTOW isn’t about liking or disliking women. It’s about not accepting the shit sandwich offered to men in a society where women are simultaneously held to be equal and oppressed demi-adults to be favoured at the same time.
It’s an outrage that 50% of soldiers aren’t women, women are as good as men…oh but…you need separate lower standards for women to do the ‘same’ job because they’re not as strong. Get some guy to carry part of her load out you misogynist pig. But don’t you claim that having a female presence in a team will fundamentally change the dynamics of the team when under fire because men are deeply wired to protect women…that shit’s sexist.
I am very curious as to whether there really are sane adults that can read this and not see the doublethink. And where are the sane adults in charge that should be demanding an end to such crazed thinking. Thinking like that will get men and women killed.
I’m seriously concerned that we are living in societies run by frigging idiots. There is an objective reality, whether you like it or not. Running our society contrary to reality is harmful to real, live people. This isn’t a game.