MGTOW and the MRM


Once again a reply in comments spawns a post (thanks Alana)


leaving_portInterestingly there’s a split between MGTOWs and MRAs going on. Where the MGTOWs are (plausibly IMHO) saying that the MRM is being overrun by traditionalists (gynocentrists / trad cons etc) at the moment.

man_overboardThe MGTOW/MRM row was primarily triggered by the MRM assertion that married men can call themselves MGTOWs with a straight face. This looks to MGTOWs:

a) frigging ridiculous (such men are married to the state as well as their wives)

b) like an attempt to claim leadership of MGTOWs and so be able to…

c) make MGTOW a friendly term for marketing to trad cons who are married and sniffing around the manosphere looking for a label.

infectedPersonally I’ll be following the MGTOW side of the split, but am not too fussed because however the MRM markets MGTOW-waffer-lite(tm), once the newbies are in and look around…many will be heading for real MGTOW territory. I am a little pissed at the ridiculousness of the claim, but it’s not worth fighting.  The battle will be won in the long run anyway. You can’t encourage men to consider themselves as human beings (not doings) and then not have them take a foray down the rabbit hole. danger

The split has been developing for quite a while as I haven’t changed any of my views (I’ve stood still) while the distance between me and AVFM has grown inexorably over the last year or two. I can’t put a finger on why or when, but I barely visit any more, though I do check out Paul’s YouTube channel regularly, I urge them (again) to upload everything that they have as soon as it is produced.

AVFM has been growing (great) but losing definition while doing it (not so great). BUT while AVFM is fighting the good fight over Kellet and Perrette (for example – legal injustices). Spreading a male friendly message. Arranging conferences. I wish them well. They are not my enemy, they are still an ally, they just fight on a different front. require_a_tug


A few of the relevant links in no particular order, others exist.


The MRM’s Faulty Assumptions by John the Other

This is where MGTOW leads to when enough men tune out.  People ought to think about this.  Is this really where women want to end up?  Real equality with men?

To me MGTOW isn’t about liking or disliking women.  It’s about not accepting the shit sandwich offered to men in a society where women are simultaneously held to be equal and oppressed demi-adults to be favoured at the same time.

It’s an outrage that 50% of soldiers aren’t women, women are as good as men…oh but…you need separate lower standards for women to do the ‘same’ job because they’re not as strong.  Get some guy to carry part of her load out you misogynist pig.  But don’t you claim that having a female presence in a team will fundamentally change the dynamics of the team when under fire because men are deeply wired to protect women…that shit’s sexist.

I am very curious as to whether there really are sane adults that can read this and not see the doublethink.  And where are the sane adults in charge that should be demanding an end to such crazed thinking.  Thinking like that will get men and women killed.

I’m seriously concerned that we are living in societies run by frigging idiots.  There is an objective reality, whether you like it or not.  Running our society contrary to reality is harmful to real, live people.  This isn’t a game.

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76 comments on “MGTOW and the MRM
  1. Tarnished says:

    Just gonna copy over what I said at my place, because it’s relevant:

    My 2c is that as men are generally more independent, the MHRAs have not only the difficulty of herding cats but also getting them to actually *do* anything. I was pretty impressed that AVfM had a conference…it got men’s rights more publicity…but then they kinda stopped. Petitions have to be signed, shelters have to be opened, real open discussions (like what we have here, on your blog, on Francis’s) need to take place, male birth control needs to be funded, etc.

    I’d gladly donate time and money to such endeavors, but they need to start first. There’s more than enough tinder…where is the spark for the MRM?

    That’s also why I fully support MGTOW. Men can always go their own way, and it’s happening at a greater rate than MRAs are fixing things.

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  2. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Tarn,
    I was replying to Alana on the panda thread and the reply veered into what could be crudely called a post. So I added some garnish and voila. I wasn’t really intending to post on it as I’m not enervated by it. Just going to add another video.

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  3. Cill says:

    I’m assuming the flags are on topic
    It’s like “guess the baby’s name” from a photo. So rather than try to name them I’ll take a guess at what they represent.
    Flag 1: MGTOW within the MRM
    Flag 2: The split
    Flag 3: Within MRM, the split of MGTOW into pseudo and real
    Flag 4: The distance between you and AVFM
    Flag 5: Dunno, but don’t tell me. I’ve got it visually, but no words for it yet.

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  4. Spawny Get says:

    1 Blue Peter – I am leaving port
    2 Man overboard
    3 Infected
    4 Danger
    5 …the best one…

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  5. Spawny Get says:

    Some fun

    The Holy Hand Grenade of MGTOW

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  6. Cill says:

    I only got #2 and #3 … at a hell of a stretch.
    Direct naming is tough. Give me time…

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  7. Cill says:

    Bloody hell, they’re nautical! Duh! I gotta headache…
    Flag 5: I need a tug boat

    I feeling stoopid

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  8. Cill says:

    Edit: I need a tug boat
    Yeah!
    Whakapohane! 😛

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  9. Cill says:

    I feel so stupid it’s a pity it’s too early for a tug beer.

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  10. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I have been quiet. I was watching this. TLDR version: Stefan promotes marriage. NAWALTs are out there. Myopinion: worked for him but, he was lucky. It is going to take a long time to winnow throughthe chaff for most of us. Patience is not infinite.

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  11. Cill says:

    They look different when they’re frappingwhapping flapping from a mast (excuses excuses)

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  12. Spawny Get says:

    The only one I knew was the ‘A’ flag, for obvious reasons. Don’t feel bad.

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  13. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I”m sorry. linked the whole playlist. Again.

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  14. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, been hearing some odd things about Moly. Anybody promoting marriage isn’t doing it in the interests of the man. Everyone has the right to make their own decisions, but some are dumberer than others. In the KSUM videos didn’t Paul mention the stats and facts being ‘not good’? there are some mixed messages out there.

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  15. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    To get back on topic, it does seem natural that there would be conflict. The MRM has political goals for many, while MGTOW has social goals for the individual.
    Also, considering that the MRM is politically oriented, it would advantage them to attract as many followers as possible.

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  16. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Sandman is going to address this in his video tomorrow.
    For now, could Stefan’s viewpoint be influenced by his success in marriage?
    There is one thing to be said about people who promote marriage, they won’t be there to help you pick up the pieces if it all goes bad.

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  17. Spawny Get says:

    Look forward to that video. And yeah, all you’ll hear is, “You chose wrong” / “What did you do?”

    I remember the battles to keep the trad cons out not so many years ago. Because they see men as expendable at the end of the day. What kind of MRM does that?

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  18. Cill says:

    It’s just another example of man’s failure to defend himself as a sex. Men are so utterly clueless, it’s embarrassing to be a man.

    Have the MRM failed to see GamerGate for what it is beyond the political? Do they see it at all?

    Someone (Spawny?) said women arrived at Games Parlors because they liked games or wanted to be where the men gather. Unwittingly, they bring the fems along behind them. The fems launch into takeover mode, and destruction. They divide.

    There’s too much at stake for us to pussy-footing around the issued here. Fem is afraid of MGTOW more than anything else in the MRM. Fem is cunning in the art of gender destruction. They seek to dilute “MGTOW” until it’s as meaningless as “Rape”. Can’t MRM see, they are doing the fems’ work for them? It just goes to show, for all the posturing and protestation, Hermione worked on the fools.

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  19. Spawny Get says:

    I think I mentioned somebody else saying that, or linked to it. Might have been Tarn was involved too.

    And I agree with your general view of the FI / feminism’s goals. Why mras buy into it I have no idea. Hope they know what they’re doing. They’ve been moving away from me for quite a while.

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  20. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    The problem with traditional conservatives is that they want to stop the clock at Marriage 2.0. Having done that, they want men to sign up to keep society going. It’s a bad deal and men know subconsciously.

    There is another thing. About disposability, we’ve gone crazy about it in the last hundred years and that was governments waging war. To add to that, society at large has adopted avery cavilier attitude to men. This is not encouraging.

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  21. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Another thought about tradcons, they consider themselves to be the natural opponents of feminism.
    Having said that the goals of the MRM are political, there is an old saying, “Politics makes for strange bedfellows.”.

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  22. Farm Boy says:

    Jonah Goldberg has daughters and “wants the best for them”. Enough said.

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  23. Farm Boy says:

    . Fem is afraid of MGTOW more than anything else in the MRM.

    Yes indeed.

    Suppose that MRAs are successful in passing some law. With the current system in place, such a law would undoubtedly make things worse, even though it would be sold as an improvement.

    MGTOW is where they can’t “head you off at the pass”.

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  24. Farm Boy says:

    Also, Jonah Goldberg’s mom is one of those “you go girlz” types.

    Probably he hasn’t seen a real women in his life.

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  25. Farm Boy says:

    Speaking of flags, if Scotland had voted for independence, would the Union Jack have been altered?

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  26. Cill says:

    A haggis would look good on a flag.

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  27. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    I found thunderf00t’s videos on Stefan Molyneaux. From now on, agrain of salt is called for.

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  28. Cill says:

    The more I think about, the more I’m tempted to join the bearhood. There’s a certain quiet dignity to a bear, even when they’re head-butting the turf. That’s the only thing holding me back. I’d hate to think I might take on Mother Earth to a headbutting contest. Perhaps Farm Boy would know if this is an inherent Ursine inclination.

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  29. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I wouldn’t worry so much about head-butting the ground. That was one wild video. It’s hard being a human but, I don’t know if it’s any easier being a bear.
    The one thing that does keep me going, as a human, is knowing that women’s attitude to men can’t have been this bad through the ages or, we wouldn’t be here.
    What we are experiencing isn’t natural. It will have to revert and, I hope that it is sooon.

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  30. Cill says:

    Fuzzy
    “It will have to revert”
    It will revert. I’ve just been looking for an old comment to support this, but the archives seem to be gone. Unless my tired eyes are missing them somewhere…

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  31. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    No need to wear yourself out looking. The sooner, the better. Here’s another indicaor.
    http://therationalmale.com/2014/11/07/malice-and-forethought/
    Women openly admitting alpha f*cks/beta bucks has significance. It means that they don’t expect it to work anymore.
    I think beta bucks is going to dry up. That will be more than inconvienent, it’ll crash the marketplace. They can afford to lose the option of fun with alphas.

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  32. Farm Boy says:

    They can afford to lose the option of fun with alphas.

    No they can’t. Now that it has been defined that “good girls do”, this cannot and will not be discarded. Besides, the government will make good on the beta bux side.

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  33. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I don’t think that government checks can fully replace a committed beta husband. That will turn out to be a dead end.
    Men will be plamed for non-participation and told to “man up”.
    Sadly, all this can be laid at the door of women’s greed.

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  34. Farm Boy says:

    I don’t think that government checks can fully replace a committed beta husband

    They have been good enough up to now. And they can have their alpha fux also.

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  35. Cill says:

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Children of solo mums are behind in every single respect. They’re a loaded gun. Feminism makes sure they get drugs rammed into them to keep them stupified at school.

    It’s openly acknowledged now that 2 parent families are better for children. Sooner or later the social cost will reach tipping point. It simply can’t be sustained. The burgeoning welfare bill for solo mums can’t be sustained either.

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  36. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    For women to choose that, they have to do it consciously. It’s a decision that they own. They have agency and are responsible.

    Cill,
    I had a thought about charities. They have to be getting tired of it all too.

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  37. Farm Boy says:

    That’s the only thing holding me back. I’d hate to think I might take on Mother Earth to a headbutting contest

    For a bear the trampoline is like alpha fux, and the ground is like beta bux

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  38. Cill says:

    Hahahahahahaha!
    Farm Boy!
    Yoda?
    For a bear, the trampoline like alpha fux, and the ground like beta bux is.

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  39. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Something awful has happened. In the past, women wanted constancy and betas are all about that. Now, they want tingles.
    They can’t have it both ways and on their schedule forever.

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  40. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Just thinking about hitting the ground from that height gives me a headache.
    Aspirin, please.

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  41. Yoda says:

    Children of solo mums are behind in every single respect.

    Timgles important they are.
    Raising children effectively, not so much.

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  42. Cill says:

    “Just thinking about hitting the ground from that height gives me a headache.”
    That’s how you feel just after you gave your wife carte blanch by forgiving her infidelity and then you arrive home to see every bad boy in town is swap-porking your wife.

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  43. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Too much tingles.
    Not enough sandwiches.

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  44. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    Did this happen to you or someone close?

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  45. Cill says:

    Someone close.

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  46. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I don’t think that I could recover from that if it happened to me. It makes me furious just to think about it.

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  47. Cill says:

    Goodnight Fuzzy, Farm Boy, Yoda, Padawan, Bear ‘n all.

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  48. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night, Cill!

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  49. Farm Boy says:

    It used to be that marriage was “the place to raise children”. Now it about fun, tingles, and money. Or maybe two out of three. Or perhaps one out of three if you wait too long.

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  50. Yoda says:

    Bear up late he is.

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  51. Padawan says:

    Bear up late he no longer is.

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  52. Alana says:

    “The MGTOW/MRM row was primarily triggered by the MRM assertion that married men can call themselves MGTOWs with a straight face.” Lol that -is- pretty silly.

    “however the MRM markets MGTOW-waffer-lite(tm), once the newbies are in and look around…many will be heading for real MGTOW territory.”

    Frankly, although “many” guys will choose the “real MGTOW” path, I think many will insist on MRM instead. I say that becos u’ve experienced marriage already, along with quite a few MGTOWs on J4G. There are lots of unmarried guys who still assume they’ll get married one day, they wanna settle down–whether it’s a natural inborn desire or whether they’ve been socialised into it. And a lot of them think they won’t get screwed in marriage, if they “choose carefully”, whatever that means.

    Anyway, I didn’t even know there was a split between the 2 groups (I only read J4G and your website at the moment). U’re right that both sides should kinda be allies, they’re both male-friendly.

    Dammit, I should be studying! Lol

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  53. Alana says:

    I’m replying here to your last comment on the Panda post so u don’t have to keep going back to that post.

    I peeked in to HUS a while ago for the first time, to see what deti/morpheus were talking about. Frankly I’m shocked so many of u were there for a significant period of tme, their beliefs are so different from the redpill stuff. I definitely saw a recent comment there from Susan saying no red-pillers allowed.

    I actually agree with some things written there, but wholeheartedly disagree with others. I truly can’t believe so many pple believe the woman in the video walking down NYC was being “harrassed”!!!?

    “My reasons for departing was being told I was cock-blocking there (by a couple of/few people) “. Yeah I told Obs I didn’t agree that the MGTOWs had a “misery loves company” attitude, and disagreed that the more radical red-pillers were talking “nuttery”; he used certain language that wasn’t fair, but I know he did it in overzealousness coming from good intentions. I’m glad there are “no hard feelings”, wouldn’t expect anything less from u–it wasn’t that long ago that u and me had a quarrel in the comment section of J4G, lol,

    Btw, I think lots of pple like your sense of humour; it’s v distinctive.

    Uh, who is King A / Matt King? I did a search and couldn’t find any King A; too many Matt Kings. Silly me, I thought Ciaran O’Connor was his real name. >.<

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  54. Alana says:

    Shucks, is that photo showing soldiers heading to war waving goodbye to their loved ones? 😦

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  55. Spawny Get says:

    “Shucks, is that photo showing soldiers heading to war waving goodbye to their loved ones?”

    Yes, specifically Kiwis.

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  56. Spawny Get says:

    Frankly, although “many” guys will choose the “real MGTOW” path, I think many will insist on MRM instead. I say that becos u’ve experienced marriage already, along with quite a few MGTOWs on J4G.

    Indeed, two of the four have got married in the period that I’ve known them.
    Ted has explained his reasons a few times. I understand his reasons…staunch guy.

    Your odds change with social class, education etc. So if you think you’re in a favoured enclave within our reality, you might reason that your odds are good. Under current conditions. Some men value marriage more than others. Some men are just not risk averse.

    My line has always been that everyone should understand the potential ramifications of the decisions that they make. Then let each do as they will.

    One of the videos that I watched recently made the point that there are still guys alive today who married under marriage 1.0 (fault based divorce only, no VAWA, etc), but the contract they signed, the risks apparent at that time, bear no resemblance to current reality. Even if you fancy the odds right now, you’re committing for life, right? Any breakup will be under those laws applicable at that time. (A very dubious legal practice – sign a contract that evolves through the actions on unaccountable external ideologues…ought to be illegal)

    Now if times get tougher, women will probably regard being married more favourably again…so maybe some things might improve. The recent rush by the US public to buy arms and ammo might show that faith that the cops will be there wehn it counts is wavering amoung some. After all, ‘when seconds count, the police are just minutes away (maybe)’. Men getting accorded alimony might cause some reform there…will it be applied gender-neutrally? experience says no.

    There are lots of unmarried guys who still assume they’ll get married one day, they wanna settle down–whether it’s a natural inborn desire or whether they’ve been socialised into it. And a lot of them think they won’t get screwed in marriage, if they “choose carefully”, whatever that means.

    Again, you might be right, BUT! the stats for marriage are still falling. As has been mentioned anecdotally, the following generations in the anglosphere have grown up surrounded by broken families, destroyed uncles and grandfathers. Assuming that they come from an intact family in the first place of course.
    It might well be on their maybe-do list, but will they do it? Will they meet the unicorn that they think is worth the risk? If women are the ones delaying marriage (Han & Nem posts on early JFG. Dalrock) then they are pushing men’s decisions into the area where men have put sex in perspective, women’s SMV is dropping markedly, know sex is available without marriage (maybe, maybe not), look at what’s available and decide not to marry what’s on offer.
    “Don’t look at what people say, look what they do”

    Anyway, I didn’t even know there was a split between the 2 groups (I only read J4G and your website at the moment). U’re right that both sides should kinda be allies, they’re both male-friendly.

    This is recent stuff. Don’t feel bad. It was Fuzzie that tipped me off.

    Watch the linked videos above and ones in their channels from around the same time…or get on with your revision, Young Padawan! This will all be here when the exams are done.

    best wishes.

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  57. Spawny Get says:

    I peeked in to HUS a while ago for the first time, to see what deti/morpheus were talking about. Frankly I’m shocked so many of u were there for a significant period of tme,

    Spotted me, did you? Shh…don’t say my name 😉

    Yes, HUS has changed a lot. Susan is a blog hostess with a business background, she’s moving in the marketplace. I haven’t, and never did, have any problem with that. As I’ve said many times, ‘Your blog, your rules’. Though apart from following a disqus link that unknowingly took me there briefly (curse you twitter and your opaque links), it’s got to be getting on for two years since I spent any time reading there. I was specifically told I wasn’t wanted anymore, so I left. So if you’re looking for a discussion of the changes, I am not the old git Jedi Master that you are looking for, Young Padawan.

    their beliefs are so different from the redpill stuff. I definitely saw a recent comment there from Susan saying no red-pillers allowed.

    some evolution of ideas has ermm…evolved. As I understand it. Susan’s audience is primarily young and female (afaiaa), she can’t spin the red-pill grimness (and some of the red-pill is grim, particularly for women). Anyway, markets evolve and personal ideas evolve and how you reconcile those evolves. I continue to wish Susan well, but I do it from outside. There will always be a flow of readers to and from any site. Each site is a gateway to another (and vice versa).

    To be honest like to keep a little positivity around, so this place isn’t your run of the mill dry toned library / horror show. Hence the panda post. I do read such blogs as well, but after a while there isn’t much new stuff to be read. There are new people arriving in the manosphere all the time, so you do need to cover the material for them to pick up. But you can try and keep a friendly atmosphere while doing it.

    https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/mixed-news-for-potential-panda-patriarchs/

    I actually agree with some things written there, but wholeheartedly disagree with others. I truly can’t believe so many pple believe the woman in the video walking down NYC was being “harrassed”!!!?

    hey, Shoshana has a career to make. An agenda to milk. Very sad to hear that the whole misery-fest of getting two minutes of viewable material from ten hours of walking around a poor neighbourhood in tight clothing has somehow got embroiled in accusations of racism (even the BBC smells it). Apparently every white guy cat-calling the miserable faced victim-wannabe did it at exactly the time a car alarm went off, siren passed, car door slammed – whatever. What are the odds? I don’t care about either accusation, I don’t trust the sources or the critics. I just find it hilarious to see an SJW who hates me for my gender, colour, nationality and orientation hoist by his own petard.

    “My reasons for departing was being told I was cock-blocking there (by a couple of/few people) “. Yeah I told Obs I didn’t agree that the MGTOWs had a “misery loves company” attitude, and disagreed that the more radical red-pillers were talking “nuttery”; he used certain language that wasn’t fair, but I know he did it in overzealousness coming from good intentions.

    We’d rubbed along quite successfully for some years. Going back to the days of HUS in fact. I don’t know the internal machinations of the JFG site, so frankly I’m mystified as to what happened. I do know that he has the talent and the will to continue.

    I’m glad there are “no hard feelings”, wouldn’t expect anything less from u–it wasn’t that long ago that u and me had a quarrel in the comment section of J4G, lol,

    Well…the fight was against what you were saying. I’m glad that you weren’t white knighted (much) on a manosphere site. I was impressed that you stood up for your self. Even more so that you listened to what I was saying. Not saying you totally agreed. TBH I don’t remember what the argument was about, but I remember that you did okay. Young Padawan.

    Btw, I think lots of pple like your sense of humour; it’s v distinctive.

    *sniff* I’m not crying *sniff*
    Starting this site was a gamble, I truly had no idea whether it would work beyond a couple of people. I don’t know whether it has a future, but I’m writing what I like, when I like. I invite others to do the same here. I’ll close it when it’s not fun, or hand it over. Ultimately (soon would be fine) I’d like it to become more of a community effort anyway. Got anything you want to write about…after teh examz…? 😉

    Uh, who is King A / Matt King? I did a search and couldn’t find any King A; too many Matt Kings. Silly me, I thought Ciaran O’Connor was his real name. >.<

    Matt was an alias, he said so himself, he also said he’d be back under another name. Whether Ciaran is/was Matt is only a matter of idle curiosity. Farm Boy says no. *shrug* just idle curiosity.

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  58. Cill says:

    “is that photo showing soldiers heading to war waving goodbye to their loved ones?”
    Where

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  59. Spawny Get says:

    Where? Frontpage…

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  60. Yoda says:

    Apparently every white guy cat-calling the miserable faced victim-wannabe did it at exactly the time a car alarm went off, siren passed, car door slammed

    White privilege this is.
    Power to do these things they have.
    Green with envy I am.

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  61. Yoda says:

    Shoshana has a career to make. An agenda to milk.

    Anita Sarkesian and Sandra Fluke her role models are.
    “Professional victim” odd choice of career this would be.
    To oldest profession it might be compared.

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  62. Yoda says:

    An image of ship leaving with pandas going off to war the world does need.

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  63. Spawny Get says:

    Yoda, you’re on top, top form, matey. Love the idea of the panda ship.

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  64. Spawny Get says:

    “White privilege this is.”

    That’s true but who reads through to vol 15, appendix XXII subsection 149.78 of the patriarchal privilege handbook?

    So many privileges.

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  65. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I did stay up late last night. Got lost in music videos.

    It is interesting that Alana thinks the HUSsies are in agreement with the Shoshana video. It tells me how polarizied we are.
    No bueno.

    A troop ship full of pandas?! Send them to the Ukraine. Everyone gets bear hugs!
    They’ll be great peacekeepers.

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  66. Yoda says:

    As I understand it. Susan’s audience is primarily young and female (afaiaa), she can’t spin the red-pill grimness

    Odd this is.
    With men problem it is not.

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  67. Spawny Get says:

    Well… it can cause a little anger while the medicine goes down… most emerge the other side happier though. Men do like to think they understand how things work even if the truth is harsh. I think that that’s a male trait…most males…well…

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  68. Yoda says:

    Send them to the Ukraine

    Putin and Femin shirts they would remove.
    Grapple with each other they would.
    Sight it would be.

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  69. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Temen moved to France at the start of the crisis. In the meanwhile,they have racked up a lot of civil liabilities there. It’s likely that they will move on again. Suorce: Bill Price, if memory serves.
    So, sorry. Should Vladimir Putin invade, he won’t meet the Femen girls.

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  70. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Snadman left this link on his youtube channel today. I read it and the 31 Reasons I’m Done with Online Dating post.Thumbs up for both.
    http://mgtow1.blogspot.ca/2014/10/the-horrendous-odds-in-online-dating.html

    Even if a guy doesn;t go through the divorce mill, online dating is efrustrating enough to generate lots of MGTOWs.
    What the heck are women thinking? There are only as many men as women and the patience of men is not infinite.

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  71. Alana says:

    “or get on with your revision, Young Padawan! This will all be here when the exams are done.”

    I’m gonna take your advice, Spawny, and try to stay away for now. It’s 1:30am the night before my first paper. I’ll be back. 🙂

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  72. Spawny Get says:

    good luck, see you when you’re finished, or just want a quick laugh.

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  73. Cautiously Pessimistic says:

    @Alana-“The MGTOW/MRM row was primarily triggered by the MRM assertion that married men can call themselves MGTOWs with a straight face.” Lol that -is- pretty silly.

    I got married pre-Red Pill and call myself MGTOW in recognition of my having rejected the Blue Pill script of appeasement a couple of years ago. Now I go my own way, in the sense that I’ve said “You want a divorce, there’s the door. Otherwise, shut up about it. I’ll be out riding my motorcycle. Oh, yeah. And I’ve bought a motorcycle.”

    I’m hardly invested in the term MGTOW, though. If there’s a better descriptor for my situation, I’ll use that instead. [Insert snarky comeback here. No points will be awarded for ‘Midlife crisis’, though.]

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  74. Spawny Get says:

    “[Insert snarky comeback here. No points will be awarded for ‘Midlife crisis’, though.]”

    Won’t get that from me. I got a car to have fun in that isn’t very practical, I got it years after my divorce (so it’s maybe not quite the same thing, but its close). Had the money, wanted to up the fun component of my life, so I did what I wanted to do because for the first time in years I had the money to do that kind of thing.

    A few years ago I saw a guy propose that male ‘mid-life’ crisis was caused by a guy’s wife losing her fertility and looks. I find mentioning that to a woman wipes any smile she might have off her face. Funny how the subject seldom comes up again.

    I have to say that if there is a definition of a married MGTOW, you’d be pretty damn close. Coming to the red pill while married has got to be…irritating. As in, “Why the hell didn’t anyone tell me this first?”

    “I’m hardly invested in the term MGTOW”, only a MGTOW would say that 😉 And I agree with the sentiment.

    My only issue with the issue is a concern over why the argument is occurring at all. Is someone up to something that I do have an issue with?

    The conversation sparks up again in the comments of the ‘What do you think post’.

    (Only your first comment gets held up, thanks for visiting, please stick around)

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