Mixed news for potential Panda Patriarchs

Quality solo timeI recently had occasion to peruse NatGeo magazine (October, UK) for ten minutes.  As I reached the back page I found a story about pandas…aaaaaah! cute vs devastator of bamboo forests and occasional eaters of sheep.  Your call.

It was when the article moved on to the getting some of the good ol’ monochromatic lovin’ that my sympathy for our eastern hirsuite black’n’white buddies grew.  Although it must be said, the news is mixed.

Pandas of the female persuasion are only fertile for 24-72 hours per year sometime in Spring, maybe.

+the patriarchal mythical construct of PMS is presumably not much of an issue for Mrs Panda, just once a year.  The rest of the time she just hates Mr Panda out of habit.  And she’s not moody, ever, right?

-Panda PMS (pre-menstrual syndrome) is rumoured (by discretely masked and anonymous male panda sources) to last more than eleven months per year.  Chewing 60lb of bamboo shoots a day makes her grumpy and, it is rumoured, makes her arse look big.

space-hopper - CopyMale pandas have to be vigilant for the sexually receptive times of their potential future co-parents.  They need to be hot to trot at the drop of a proverbial hat.  In late autumn they start ramping up the old hormones and their testicles grow.  It seems that they probably have blue balls the size of Space Hoppers by the time mating season rolls round.  When one ill timed heavy session down the Old Dog and Crispy Duck can give them a hangover long enough to miss out on the entire year’s prime period for pro-creational pandemonium.

Rumours that male pandas stalk flocks of sheep with a can of black spray paint and a pair of wellies are said to be vile anti male panda propaganda of the worst sort.  Also they certainly don’t eat the evidence afterwards, when they get peckish.  They’re very clear on that.


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155 comments on “Mixed news for potential Panda Patriarchs
  1. Tarnished says:

    Panda “pmt”?


  2. Spawny Get says:

    DOESN’T EXIST! Just made up by monochromatic misogynist males.


  3. Spawny Get says:

    I can drawing! what do you reckon? I had to insert the sad sunflower to mask naughty panda-parts. Was that artwork even detectable? Wasn’t part of the original…pinky promise.

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  4. Tarnished says:

    Ah, I see you’ve added the full wording(or it was there before and I didn’t see it with my blury sleep eyes).

    Now I’m off to see what PMT consists of…guessing it’s the same as PMS? Never heard of PMT before.


  5. Spawny Get says:

    I changed it to PMS for simplicity’s sake. Thanks for the heads up.

    It was quite a fun post to write…do you think I need to explain the wellies?


  6. Moehau Man says:

    “do you think I need to explain the wellies”
    Well, you certainly have no need to explain them to old Moe here. I’m surprised you foreign jokers know that thing about sheep with their hind feet thrust into wellies to hamper their escape velocity. I thought that was a peculiarly Kiwi thing, as the Aussies never tire of reminding us. Heh heh…
    I don’t know…


  7. Spawny Get says:

    sounds like Aussies are to Kiwis as the English are to the Welsh. There’s nothing new under the sun. Only the nationalities change. Except the black spray paint, but allegedly that is just a panda thing (that I made up).


  8. Moehau Man says:

    I know what PMT means too. I thought that was universal. Does it not occur in foreign parts, then? Well I never! You foreign folk never cease to surprise me.


  9. Spawny Get says:

    Moe, we r teh klevre


  10. Spawny Get says:

    So, did either of you laugh? Tarn was kind enough to like the post.

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  11. Moehau Man says:

    Actually Spawny, hind-legs-in-wellies originated in a real live law case for Kiwis. I kid you not. I think it occurred back in the 1940s or 1950s, here in Godzone. The news of it must have spread to Wales and caught on.


  12. Spawny Get says:

    There’s a rumour that someone invented a specially strong cleaner for wellies, to remove embarrassing stains.

    So presumably there’s the old joke; “‘Country-X’, where men are men and sheep are nervous”?

    And “I hear that your sheep worrying conviction was quashed, who’d you bribe? And how much?”

    Also “Why do sheep lovers make love on the cliff edge?”


  13. Moehau Man says:

    ” the black spray paint” needed no explanation. The imaginations of the good folk Down Under are inherently lively.

    The article did make me laugh, as a matter of fact. I was a bit pissed off, actually, because my guffaws awoke Mrs Moehau Man (my tired old mum) and whereas it’s all right for me to be up with the Sparrow fart, she needs her beauty sleep.

    There is also of course a serious side to the article, which I read with a rather worried frown on my brow-ridge. I applaud you for having the courage to raise it in public. Not many blokes could do that, so yes, you get my vote right there.

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  14. Moehau Man says:

    “where men are men and sheep are nervous” heh heh I certainly know that one.
    “Why do sheep lovers make love on the cliff edge?” Don’t know that one. “To avoid a fate worse than death?”


  15. Moehau Man says:

    Wait! Don’t give me the answer, I’ll google it.


  16. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    No wonder this panda is so grumpy.

    Once a year and only a 24 to 72 hour window??? Yikes!!!

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  17. Moehau Man says:

    What do you get when you cross a sheep with a Kangaroo
    A woolly jumper

    What do you get when you cross a mouse with an elephant
    Bloody big holes in the skirting board.

    Cross an elephant with a Kangaroo and you get bloody big holes all over

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  18. Moehau Man says:

    Strange how the comments tend to meander around the topic, isn’t it?


  19. Spawny Get says:

    “There is also of course a serious side to the article” THERE’S WHAT? 80

    just updated the article BTW


  20. Moehau Man says:

    In the video there, the attitude of the panda’s arms and shoulders is rather reminiscent of my own. Perhaps there is some truth to the rumour that Moehau Mans originated in China…


  21. Spawny Get says:

    Moe…the push back


  22. Moehau Man says:

    “There is also of course a serious side to the article THERE’S WHAT”:
    Why, the PMT! That is so serious, I’m beginning to understand emigration.


  23. Moehau Man says:

    Well, I do feel a need to put in my $0.02 re the artwork. It’s the same sad sunflower that you’ve used in all your posts ab initio Spawny. 😉 Do you not have one with a less bilious disposition to depict? 😀


  24. Spawny Get says:

    Sad sunflower? All truly great artists have signature items mate.


  25. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Could Panda PMS be at the bottom of this?


  26. Spawny Get says:

    I just had to use something to hide the horn.

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  27. Tarnished says:

    Hey Fuzzie,

    If it’s cool with you, I’d like to continue our previous conversation over here. The massive amount of comments on the other post means it’s taking upwards of 4 minutes for my phone to just load the page, lol.

    So, anyway…I was wondering your thoughts on these 2 posts, and the comments therein.



    For ease of commenting, and so other people can chime in, I thought discussing it here would be better for everyone.


  28. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn, so now you’re bashing my post for it’s low comment count? Fine friend you are.

    Liked by 1 person

  29. Spawny Get says:

    I’d happily paginate the comments, but in my experience, the links to comments don’t handle the pagination very well.


  30. Moehau Man says:

    Well while you are chewing that over, might I say I am finding yet more resemblances on these Panda videos. Fuzzy’s latest one looks like Mrs Moehau Man (my TV addicted old mum) chewing contemplatively on a Manuka branch while she watches her favourite Hot Rod Expo on the Petrol Heads channel.


  31. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I read your posts and I was reminded of something I had read recently. I don’t think that there is much Biblical submission in marriage going on out there. Feminism has made us all competitors. Here’s Elspeth’s recent post. She practices submission and what is essential is placing trust and faith in her husband.



  32. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Another thought about submission, since I’m a boy, if I promote it, it does appear that I am trying to improve my lot and exploit a conflict of interest. As a girl, you need to hear about this from another woman.
    The primary requisite is being able to trust your husband. Without that, it can’t work. Feminism has gone a long way to destroying that trust.


  33. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Moehau Man,
    That panda did look calm and accepting while eating bamboo. Very Zen.


  34. Tarnished says:

    I wonder if the issue is (in part) that I don’t hold with Biblical stuff anyway. For those of us that are Pagan, agnostic, atheist, etc…well, there’s little reason for us to care about what the Bible says in regards to modern day relations. It also always struck me as, shall we say “convenient”, that in patriarchal-biblical families, the wife is submissive to the husband (who is a flesh and blood, physically present, person who can use threats or force if he isn’t obeyed) whereas the husband is submissive to God (who has no physical presence, no body, can’t manipulate or make threats to people’s faces, and may not even exist).

    Note that this is NOT me taking the feminist view that all men who have power will misuse it. I know that the majority of men are good people. But just as there are manipulative women, so too are there manipulative men. I’ve seen too often what happens when *either* spouse has too much power over the other.

    Thus, I don’t believe it’s a case of it being better if the household is run by a male or a female…it’s if the household is being run by a good person, regardless of what sex they were born with. I prefer egalitarian myself, but even I recognize I’m the “dominant” partner in the few circumstances when a decision has to be made or plans need to be carried through. I don’t ask for this responsibility. It is given to me. But I am extremely wary of men and women who demand obedience and submission from their partners.


  35. Tarnished says:

    And obviously I’m okay with either sex being the housekeeper/childrearer while the other supports the family.

    I also agree with the previous assertion (Cill’s?) that submission can be freely given.


  36. Tarnished says:

    Farm Boy,

    See, that’s a related topic…It shouldn’t be up to anyone besides the family in question whether “the American mom should work”. Are there husbands who forbid their wives from working? Yes, but I hope they are relatively few. If mom makes enough for dad to stay home with the kids, that’s awesome. If dad makes enough for mom to stay home, that’s also awesome. But a household where both parents work full time and the kids are all Latchkey Children? Yeah, I can say from experience it isn’t good.


  37. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    My problem with this issue is that dominance gravitates to the woman. I have to worry about men being abused. Gosh, this is all starting to sound familiar.
    It would be best if a woman explained it. It’s too easy to say that I was coming from taking advantage of a conflict of interest.
    However, seeing some testimony from women, conflict is rare when things are working.

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  38. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    As a counterpoint, Deti has written a barnburner of a post over at J4G.


    I don’t think it’s all the fault of “Yes Means Yes”. What is happening in the SMP/MMP is the direct result of men’s inability to trust women. As trust erodes, the betas will go by the wayside leaving a diminishing number of cads.

    This is tangential to my discussion with Tarnished. Women have the upper hand in mating , and when trust withers, the boys with good intentions don’t want to play anymore.


  39. Spawny Get says:

    Isn’t it more that living together leads to familiarity, familiarity breeds betatude, betatude leads to dominance battles, dominance battles lead to unhappy marriages, unhappy marriages lead to divorce, divorce leads to suffering…

    As Tarn and l determined previously, neither of us would wish to be in a relationship where the dumb person made the decisions. She’s more optimistic that egalitarian can work than I am. But our fundamental beliefs aren’t that dissimilar. Just how we think it might work out best for us on the real world.

    I’d never enter a contentious marriage, I doubt Tarn would either.

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  40. Tarnished says:

    Oh, no Fuzzie. I absolutely do not read your comments as being that of a man taking advantage…remember, I don’t really think of myself as a woman, so having a fellow clitoris-owner will do nothing for me. I’m not coming at this from a female viewpoint. I’m coming at this from an equality viewpoint.

    I think I like what my commenter Navigator said; “There’s a difference between being dominant and being controlling”.

    If a wife is dominant and the husband is submissive, but both of them are satisfied and happy with this…is it necessarily bad? If we reverse the sexes, most (including yourself) would say no.

    My overarching question is, if a wife is dominant in the relationship (not controlling, which can lead to spousal abuse in any arrangement), do you, or anyone else, think this is not good?

    If so, why?


  41. Tarnished says:

    You are correct, Spawny. I’d rather be completely alone the rest of my life than to be in a relationship where my views, decisions, and opinions are a sore point of contention. Unless there’s kids involved, I’ve no idea why anyone would stay in such a marriage or arrangement.


  42. I have to say I am happy I am not a female panda. Great post, Spawny! I also did notice the artwork, before you even said anything, and liked it very much!

    Looking forward to reading the posts at Tarn’s Fuzzie linked to.

    Cill, I still have not forgotten the ground venison spice mixes, that is yet to come as well…

    Gotta get me work done first tho 🙂

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  43. Spawny Get says:

    I must commend the wordsmith that crafted this passage most highly, whoever he is

    “prime period for pro-creational pandemonium”

    I mean…panda-moan-ium / pandemonium sheer literary genius. And alliteration out the ass too.

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  44. Cill says:

    I hope I’m not unwittingly breaking in on any other commenter here, in what appears to be a bit of a lull.
    I don’t have much to offer re submission, as I have no personal experience to refer to.

    However, I can’t see submission or lack of it as much of a problem. I can only refer to my observation of successful relationships, and in them the issue of submission is insignificant. Just my 2c

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  45. Spawny Get says:

    I’d still prefer to call it leader/follower. Captain/First Officer. It’s a team with a leader, not master and dog. Or you might both choose egalitarian. I don’t mind what people choose for themselves, it’s all good.

    My suspicion is that traditions evolved because they worked with actual human nature. Now times have changed, so marriage might well do so too. But things aren’t working right now, so maybe there are lessons from the past about human nature and the family?

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  46. Cill says:

    For once I find myself in (near non-existent) disagreement with you, me old China.
    “Captain/First Officer” is not what I’m seeing in the successful relationships, even though you’re talking about the narrowest of gaps in the pecking order.

    In what I see, the entire subject of leader – follower does not feature in the successful relationships. In a general sense, you are probably more correct than I am. I suspect that the successful relationships I’m talking about are atypical, and therefore irrelevant to a helpful discussion.


  47. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Dean Esmay gives his thoughts on yesterday’s elections. I can imagine Spawny nodding in agreement.


  48. Spawny Get says:

    Your observations are absolutely as relevant as anybody else’s Cill. I’m only throwing out ideas…that’s all. I’m a divorced guy going my own way… 😉


  49. Spawny Get says:

    Nice link, thanks Fuzzie. We have much the same setup here.


  50. Spawny Get says:

    A good guy to follow on Twitter, there are others…like @Spawny Space and that Moe geezer is on there too. Not that I twat much, but he does.


  51. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    To be honest, I don’t think that you will see many examples of submissive wives. I think what may be referred to as elegatarian may be essentially FemDom. All institutions support this.
    This could be fundamental to why there is so much fail out there.


  52. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Too much cuteness!

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  53. Tarnished says:


    Could you elaborate?


  54. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am not the best proponent for this. I have never experienced it and, with my last comment, don’t think that I will.
    To put it generally, in the past, the wife would defer to her husband’s judgement simply because his experience was greater.
    What would you like to know more of?

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  55. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, you see I don’t really see that as submitting so much as being inspired to follow

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  56. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny, I think that you may be closer to the mark.
    I am feeling sad because this turnaround is not fully acknowledged socially. That’s why men bear so much responsibility when things run off the rails.


  57. Spawny Get says:

    A woman needs to know what she wants well enough to recognise a man who might deliver her to it. Or a team member to work with/ alongside.

    Men might well have issues, but I think women are far more responsible for the mess. They won’t follow, they can’t team up as partner. They keep listening to the voices tearing down her man, men in general and appealing to her endless hypergamy.

    That’s what I think the problem is with too many women.

    YMMV everybody


  58. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    That is a good thumbnail illustration of the issue. I do like the tone of your statement because it is light on blame.


  59. Spawny Get says:

    Now someone, a woman, who has reached the point of working out what she wants…such a woman might write a post on the process by which she got to that point…anyone think of such a woman 😉

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  60. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks Fuzzie. Blame is not really going to get us anywhere. Or not blaming most men or women anyway.

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  61. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You might invite Bloom.

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  62. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie…that’s an idea! Never thought of that 😉


  63. Spawny Get says:

    Might get a post out on this tomorrow (my thinking, I mean). It’s bubbling. I’ll sleep on it.

    Has Bloom already written a post on where she feels herself to be and what she wants? Pretty sure she’s spoken of elements of those things.


  64. Farm Boy says:

    I don’t think that you will see many examples of submissive wives

    One does not necessarily need submissive wives. “Not always challenging” wives probably would do.

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  65. Farm Boy says:

    Now someone, a woman, who has reached the point of working out what she wants…such a woman might write a post on the process by which she got to that point…

    Hey, how about Lena Dunham? She is never at a loss for words.


  66. Farm Boy says:

    I bet that Lindy West would do it for some left over Halloween candy.


  67. Farm Boy says:

    This is Guy Fawkes day. Whatcha doing Spawny?


  68. Spawny Get says:

    I don’t mind being challenged when the other has a better idea. In fact I see that as a kindness. But endless contention coming from an incorrect belief that the other’s ideas are as good as mine because frigging Oprah said, or Cosmo, or jezbl…nope.

    That’s the problem nowadays, I think. The belief that everybody’s opinion is equally valid…and that’s bollocks. Men and boys usually learn that it’s false, they get consequences of poor decisions. Women and girls are protected from consequences, so the lessons aren’t learnt until much later.

    Things would get better if everybody put down the lies and recognised reality. Feminism’s lies are currently falling apart.


  69. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Lena Dunham or Lindy West?!
    What was it that Daffy Duck would say?
    I do like the part about Lindy West being swayed with offers of candy.


  70. Spawny Get says:

    Listening to fireworks, lying in front of the fire reading my blog and its great commenters. Background watching ‘Sleepy Hollow’ due to lack of better options. ‘Constantine’ yesterday was betterer, I think.

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  71. Spawny Get says:

    Dunham and West as oracles ehh?

    Fonts of bullshit more like.

    But funny comment Farm Boy! Nice one.


  72. Tarnished says:

    I’d be really interested in reading a post from a perspective like Bloom’s. Because of our life differences, we obviously want/need different things from mates…but I think we both know what those things are.

    I also love Bloom a little bit for being one of the only (besides Liz) traditional women who thinks it’s fine that I don’t want kids.
    🙂 ❤

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  73. Cill says:

    I’d like to see a post by Bloom.

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  74. Spawny Get says:

    Oh noes, if only there were a way to contact her…


  75. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn, the rest all believe that the drive is that strong? Baby rabies indeed.


  76. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks Fuzzie, message left.


  77. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I didn’t know if her email address was top secret or not. The one I have is attached to her blog, I think.
    Good that you found a way to communicate.
    More panda cuteness. Wait till they discoover beer.


  78. Cill says:


    My Dad’s 5 principles of success:
    1. The deal. A good deal is one where both sides win.
    2. Application: Honor your side of the deal as you honor your life
    3. Trust: Trust your partner to apply #2
    4. Vigilance: At the first sign of compromise of #3, confront it face to face.
    5. Peace: Never hold a grudge. Let it go.

    In business and life, including marriage, he has done well out of applying those principles.

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  79. Spawny Get says:

    They all sound good to me. Think I’ve expressed the parts here or there.


  80. Cill says:

    “Think I’ve expressed the parts here or there”
    Spawny, almost word for word:
    “Being a good man is honouring your side of the deal as long as the deal is intact”
    LOL You and my old man think alike.


  81. Cill says:

    That’s why you are both such good buggars


  82. Spawny Get says:

    I think if you check with Tarn we’ve talked about grudges, blame and punishment beyond the lesson being learnt as being unhelpful. Might have been with someone else, further back…somewhere else.

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  83. Spawny Get says:

    You too. I like the gang here as well. The atmosphere has come together well because of the people.


  84. Cill says:

    I’d say between the 2 of you, you’ll have expressed all of them here and there. Anyway, the old man listed them and rammed them down my throat over the years (usually because I needed a reminder).


  85. Spawny Get says:

    Sadly, mistakes were made getting here though.

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  86. Cill says:

    “mistakes were made”
    True. Too true. Everyone has a story…


  87. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Mistakes? As in inviting someone who has a fondness for linking bear videos?
    To be honest, do I want to know what mistakes?


  88. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, there’s a certain unique ursine authenticity about your bear videos. 😉


  89. Spawny Get says:

    No Fuzzie, not here. Marriage, divorce, thinking I’d found someone new, hurting her. Not deliberate, but it happened.


  90. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I do have a preference for videos of real bears. Cartoons just aren’t real.


  91. Cill says:

    I don’t believe submission must be resolved before a relationship can move forward, or that “frame” is an obstacle. I know 26 successful marriages in my extended family, stretching over 4 generations. Submission is significant by its absence in all of them.

    Some of them did involve the man moving into the woman’s “frame”, where the home and assets belonged to her. In some of those cases the business already belonged to her as well.

    My point is, if she is a unicorn, a man should never allow frame to be an obstacle.


  92. Alana says:

    So this is where u guys have been hanging out! After u guys left J4G, I actually skimmed thru many many comments trying to find the comment Spawny had left giving his blog address, but I couldn’t find it. It’s only in the recent comments that when I click on Spawny’s username that it brought me to this blog. =)

    Anyway glad y’all are all alive and well.

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  93. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Your comment raises a point. I don’t know what works first hand.


  94. Tarnished says:


    It is borderline ridiculous the amount of tradcon women that take it as a personal affront I don’t want children of my own. There is no disconnect…they think if someone has a working womb and refuse to use it, they are completely remiss in their life goals. It’s as though they honestly believe the only purpose someone with a vulva has is to become a mother.

    I actually said to one of them “Well, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree. I’m never going to be a mom.”
    Her response: “I refuse to accept that way of life, and you shouldn’t either. You are being a murderess, keeping children from living due to your own selfish desires.”

    Stopped talking to anyone on that forum after that.

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  95. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Knowing that you addressed your last comment to Spawny, please allow me to toss in my two cents. These Trdcon women are telling you more about their orientation than they know. They simply couldn’t see their lives without their children and they assume that they’re acting in line with what nature has ordained. It works for them.
    I think the conflict stems from them assuming that it will work for all and they feel entitled to impose this on you.

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  96. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, the atypical aspect of the marriages I’m talking about is, the women are unicorns. However if a man has a potential unicorn of interest, the following is relevant.
    (I’m a bit uneasy with using the name of a mythological animal in this context, but “unicorn” will have to do. )

    In what I have seen, submission is non-existent and frame, while existent, is no obstacle to a successful relationship.

    The women showed every sign of being a unicorn. To paraphrase the old saying: If it looks and sounds and acts like a unicorn for long enough and often enough, you know what? It probably is a unicorn.

    Each of those men stepped into the frame of a unicorn, and they would be the first to say it proved to be the best step of their lives.

    Our problem is an acute shortage of unicorns, not a stereotype we allow tradition or convention to foist on us (man as provider of the frame).

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  97. Tarnished says:


    You don’t have to answer this if you do not want to, but I was wondering why you believe that a submissive wife would be best?

    Is it what you’ve seen in successful relationships? Is it what you’ve been taught works? Is it simply that you are trying to follow a Bible-based life? I just was curious…

    Also, I absolutely agree with you that in the ancient past women generally didn’t have the type of experience that men had. This was not only in a leadership sense, but financially and worldly too. Their opportunities for travel were sometimes limited, and it made more sense for sons (who would be responsible for the financial welfare of the family) to be better educated than daughters. This isn’t “Teh Ebul Patriarchy”…it’s what worked in the majority of cases. Even sexually, women were very much expected to have no experience and to learn from/with their husbands.

    But given that modern times have both men and women getting similar educations…similar opportunities to travel…being expected to work at least part of their lives…and having sex before marriage…it would seem that a woman no longer must defer to the superior knowledge of her husband. In fact, it’s very much in the realm of possibility that she has been to more countries, worked a more stressful job, has more financial assets, or has more sexual experience than her beloved.

    Thus, I’m wondering what the reasoning would be for a couple in the year 2014 for the female partner submitting to the male. (I’m not trying to play devil’s advocate or anything, I’ve just never gotten a good response…it usually comes down to “the Bible says so”. Obviously, in my view this isn’t much of a reason at all.)

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  98. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am stuck in a dialectic on this matter. It’s either/or. Either he’s in charge or she is. From what I have seen of “Yes, dear” marriages, I’ll stay on my own.
    I’ll give you a “for instance”. For a lot of men, the garage is the only room they can call their own.
    Is that any way to live?

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  99. Tarnished says:

    Absolutely not, and I’d find that unacceptable. If my lover and I ever did live together, his videogames, comics, miniatures, and role-playing books would be given the same amount of space that mine have.

    Any woman who literally shoves their husband’s tchotchkes, furniture, or other items of sentimental/entertainment value into a single separate room is a jerkface douchemaster. Or, as my love enjoys calling them, “bitcharoonies”.

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  100. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I don’t know how that happens. What I think does happen is that hubby gets groound down over time and it’s not worth the effort to argue.
    Now, you know what guys fear.

    I am kind of wondering why you and yours haven’t escalated.From what I am hearing, what you have is real.


  101. Tarnished says:

    I already know what guys fear. Every single friend I’ve had from age 14 forward has been male. Why do you think I support MGTOWs so much?

    Not 100% sure what you mean by “escalated”. You mean call ourselves boyfriend/girlfriend? No thanks…then there’s all the social expectations we’d have to deal with.

    Get married? Hell no. We have a very good, as-realistically-close-to-equal relationship as you can get. Marriage necessarily gives me (the resident pussy owner) a loaded gun that…while I’d refuse to wield it…I don’t want over my head anyway.

    We are happy as is. 😀

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  102. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Sorry to step on your toes.
    Back to the cave for more head scratching.
    In the midst of all this, it may be a good thing that I am single. That may help as it sorts out.

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  103. Tarnished says:

    Lol. Stepping on my toes? When did that happen? I mean, I know I’m blonde, but I’m not an oblivious blonde who can’t keep track of…

    …ohhhh, shiny.

    Liked by 1 person

  104. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s all right.


  105. Farm Boy says:

    …ohhhh, shiny.

    Is that a reference to “Firefly”?

    Liked by 3 people

  106. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    It would not surprise me if some over at The Atlantic thought that was serious.


  107. Tarnished says:

    No, but it should have been. I was just being goofy and making fun of my blondeness.

    Liked by 1 person

  108. Cill says:

    Can you see any signs of an underswell in the election results?
    Just one of many going on?

    Liked by 1 person

  109. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s past time for another cute panda video.

    Liked by 1 person

  110. Tarnished says:

    Well, it wasn’t “real”, but it was good satire. Heck, people of both sexes *still* argue against women’s suffrage.


  111. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Earlier, i linked Dean Esmay’s post at AVfM about the election. He is of the opinion that a lot of it was a reaction to Democrats favoring feminism.

    Once suffrage is extended, it is difficult to withdraw.


  112. Tarnished says:


    Thankfully this is true. I’m very grateful to have a voice in my government.


  113. Cill says:

    “I’m very grateful to have a voice in my government”
    There have been times when, seeing the behavior of the government I voted for, I’ve considered disenfranchising myself


  114. Tarnished says:

    Fair enough, but you likely don’t live with the fear of your government becoming, for all intents and purposes, a theocracy. 😦

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  115. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It was very satisfying to read that post from the Washington Examiner. Hearing about the downfall of Wendy Davis and Sandra Fluke made my day.
    Could we be seeing the end to feminists owning the votes of women?

    Liked by 1 person

  116. Cill says:

    Tarn, this is true. There is no possibility of a theocracy in NZ.
    Fuzzy, I think we see more evidence of the early stages of a sea change.

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  117. Cill says:

    Tarn, would it be accurate to say your governments have for some time been, for all intents and purposes, a theocracy? 😦


  118. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    One more cute video. If small humans have teddy bears, what do small bears have?

    Liked by 1 person

  119. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Theocracy would be hard to do in the US. While there are a lot of Christians, thete are a lot of denominations. It’s hard to get these guys to agree on lunch.
    There is one thing that does bother me-churchianity.

    Cill, more sea change!

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  120. Tarnished says:

    In some ways yes, in some ways no.

    No, because the letter of the law means you’re supposed to be guaranteed equal rights regardless of faith or lack thereof.

    Yes, because the letter of the law may not mean anything to ignorant morons who deface your property, bully your children, make false allegations against you at work, attempt to alter school curriculums to reflect religion instead of science, use faith “healing” on minors, or try to claim that freedom of religion only applies to their own.

    It can be frightening on many levels.

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  121. Cill says:

    Cute little Panda. What is churchianity?
    Tarn 🙂 (I copied that grumpy face by mistake)


  122. Tarnished says:

    Yes, more change!

    In other news, I’m headed for bed.
    Good night, all.

    Liked by 1 person

  123. Cill says:

    Good night, tarn


  124. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Churchianity is a term, possibly coined by Dalrock, to describe present day hypocrites who consider themselves to be Christian. From his viewpoint, they have succumbed to feminism.

    Good night!

    Bedtime for bear. Good night, Cill.

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  125. Hi guys just catching up. I would be honored to write a post but I am not sure what the topic is. How I became red pill or why I did or ??? I will reread the comments in the morning again, it’s late and my two brain cells aren’t firing! Lol.

    And tarn what that gal said to you about not personally wanting to procreate is unjustifiably rude. I wish I had been there so I could have replied to her that I was concerned for her children’s welfare if their mom thinks like that! A clock somewhere is short a cuckoo! :/ her poor kids…


  126. Spawny Get says:

    Welcome Alana

    The first comment always ends up waiting for approval. Unfortunately I’d already gone to sleep, so I’ve only just seen the notification asking to free it.

    TLDR Young Padawan, you were always welcome. So, welcome


  127. Spawny Get says:

    Has it come to this?

    You write a post which is purely fun (admittedly great writing and first rate artwork though) and then the conversation de-degenerates into meaningful discussion.

    tanjdammit, where did I go right?

    I love waking up to 40+ comment notifications and a bonus ‘please moderate’ request because a new old face has turned up (Alana)

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  128. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn @5:36pm

    “My overarching question is, if a wife is dominant in the relationship (not controlling, which can lead to spousal abuse in any arrangement), do you, or anyone else, think this is not good?

    If so, why?”

    It wouldn’t work for me as an individual. If it works for the two in question? You go guy’n’gal. No skin off my nose.

    There was more here, but I turned it in to a post – see the front page


  129. Cill says:

    “TLDR Young Padawan, you were always welcome. So, welcome”
    Not sure to what you are referring there, me old China Plate, but thanks for the welcome regardless. 😉


  130. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Cill. Alana was christened (by me) ‘Young Padawan’. She should, at all costs, not be confused with the maniac ‘Padawan’ from the land down unda.

    new post is up.


  131. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Bloom,
    the discussion here turned toward ‘what do women want’. I said that the infantalisation of women by feminism and the white knights that desperately try to remove any consequences to bad female decisions mean that women can take a long time to discover what they actually, actually want from a marriage / partner / life in general.

    Men and boys encounter hard reality far more often and quickly than women and girls, so I think that they tend to drop the special snowflake dreams very much earlier in life. Ultimately I think that that is for the best. It may seem harsh to let girls hit reality too, but sooner or later women and girls do hit reality. What the delay does is make the final impact harder and with potentially permanent consequences (too late for kids, too late to marry, too much debt, meaningless career).

    But regarding a post (here or your blog (I’m happy to link (again)), I’m not talking about a mea culpa, but haven’t you previously described a process of coming to realise what you wanted from a mate? recognition that your earlier thoughts were actually wrong about how to make a marriage work (or the marriage that you were in work)?

    N.B. I’m divorced too. I played my part in that – this is not about blame! okay? No need to list past mistakes. Just generally, how has your view of what you want and who you are changed?

    We had a debate above where, from my point of view, there was a big confusion over leadership by an inspiring leader vs submission. I think that in the modern world the number of women looking to just flat out submit is very limited indeed.

    BUT, I do wonder if we could stop bashing men down as a society and building women up beyond all reality…there would be more scope for men and women to fall into a more traditional role of Captain / First Officer. A role where the opinions of the FO are valued and taken into account by a benevolent, wise leader.

    I wonder if that tradition was more than just a recognition of harsh reality in the past (as Tarn described above), but also a reflection of biological hard wiring. That many women love nest-building and child rearing and are happy to let some man handle the world and shelter her efforts to build him, her and their brood a home.


  132. Spawny Get says:

    I copied the preceding comment over to the top of the new post – I’d recommend replying to it there

    Just an opinion – comment where you wish, but the new thread is a natural home for this discussion.


  133. Alana says:

    Hi Spawny, I understand about first comment moderation, u’d probably wanna watch out for PJ showing up, I’m surprised she hasn’t already, she likes following u lol.

    I probably won’t be around too much for the next 2 weeks as I have exams starting in 3 days. 😦 I’ll peek in every now and then though, it’s a nice cozy blog. Btw me and my bf downloaded and watched The Shining a few weeks ago, which reminded me of you cos of your previous avatar!

    Nice to see all of u here. 🙂 And I love penguins and pandas.Those poor male pandas though, not many mating opportunities. Apart from that, being a panda looks pretty fun. 🙂


  134. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Young Padawan,
    good luck with the exams.

    The atmosphere here is going great, I’ve always preferred mixing in a little fun. Politics over here is waiting on Rochester & Strood and the resolution of the EU extortion threat. I don’t know enough of US politics to have commented on it (and nobody over there wanted to write a post). So I was looking for inspiration when I came across the NatGeo article…perfic! The images were a lucky find, that just needed a little of the ol’ Spawny spit’n’polish.

    In a curious reverse of what happens on other blogs, the post was off any topic, but the comment thread wandered on topic for the blog. 😉

    Regarding the images, my artistry clearly approaches perfection. There’s a joy to be had in being so bad radical as being able to call it modern art (or something).

    I’m trying to remember my original avatar on HUS. It was something like that ‘The Shining’ image of him crazily smashing through the door with an ax. ‘Hi honey, I’m home’! Who doesn’t like playing up to the ‘angry man from the manosphere’ trope?

    I’m sure PJ is tempted but as I warned I’m not wasting my time judging each of her comments and allowing them through until she goes full peej and gets banned. I don’t want to waste my time on that and I don’t think it’s fair on the audience, or her either at the end of the day. Similarly I’m not interested in the comments of a guy recommending that men let women hit them because she’ll get tired and learn to either not bother (or get a weapon next time). So he’s not going to be let in either. Not interested in wars in the comments or bitchy, snarky comments. Disagreeing with me is fine, being a bitch about it is not. Nor is objecting by pompous, obfuscating wind-baggery. I don’t care if I get called names for not allowing them in or deleting them when the troll is revealed – don’t care what such people think. I want a positive, open atmosphere (currently there is one).

    Got it! My original avatar was Mr Angry from The Mystery Men (Ben Stiller). Happy days.


  135. Liz says:

    I ❤ Pandas!
    Fun thread.


    Liked by 2 people

  136. Spawny Get says:

    Told you… 😉


  137. Farm Boy says:

    mean that women can take a long time to discover what they actually, actually want

    And in the meantime, their age cohort fellas lose interest. In sort of happened to me.


  138. Spawny Get says:

    I continued the wildly off topic comment thread as a new post. Bloom added her view on this feminism’s role in confusing women idea there.


  139. Yoda says:

    The atmosphere has come together well because of the people.

    People I am not.
    The bear a bear he is.


  140. Yoda says:

    In Los Angeles I am.
    Land of fruits and nuts thinking it does affect


  141. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarm Boy,
    It is going to come down to which -ism carries more weight.
    Racism or sexism?
    Which one do you think the feminists are rooting for?


  142. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    While you mentioned nuts and fruit, in the great cereal bowl you left out flakes.


  143. Yoda says:

    Tarm Boy

    Tarm boy he is not.
    Tarm boy Tarnished is.


  144. Farm Boy says:

    It is going to come down to which -ism carries more weight.
    Racism or sexism?

    Dunno. Both women and minorities are getting heavy.


  145. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarm Boy,
    I am sorry for the typo. I get so anxious to post that I don’t proof read properly.


  146. Alana says:

    Hi again Spawny, thanks for the good luck wishes. 🙂

    “Regarding the images, my artistry clearly approaches perfection.” Lol, the edited images are awesome, really. (Although the man wearing a panda’s head was a little strange, haha!) And u picked some animals that almost everyone likes–pandas and penguins. Another animal I really like are wombats. Australia has some of the coolest animals. I watch this wombat video whenever I need to chill:

    Hey u don’t have to justify banning of trolls to me, i understand. The atmosphere is great now and worth preserving. “Nor is objecting by pompous, obfuscating wind-baggery”–uh, a reference to Obs? :p I think he had good intentions and some good ideas, but he took some of it too far. But I hope he starts blogging again…And I’m curious as to what Ciaran is cooking up.

    Lol yes it was the scary scene where he smashes thru the door. If u like horror, I recommend watching the scene where Sadako climbs out of the TV in ‘The Ring’ if u haven’t seen it. 🙂


  147. Spawny Get says:

    ““Nor is objecting by pompous, obfuscating wind-baggery”–uh, a reference to Obs?”
    Oh no no no no no. Obs wrote long posts, but a windbag? nope. obfuscating? hardly. pompous? nahhh! no way.

    “But I hope he starts blogging again”
    So do I. I wonder if he can go the video route as well as the blog method. Rather like Tommy Sotomayor (sp?). The dude has talent. I don’t wish to join his crusade, or anyone else’s, but that’s a separate matter. He has skills.

    My reasons for departing was being told I was cock-blocking there (by a couple of/few people) because I failed to join the company line. As it was their blog they had a perfect right to make that objection (I didn’t agree that I was cock-blocking, but if they say that’s what I’m doing on their blog…I will act accordingly) so I left (to a very large degree). Also my time is taken up here and elsewhere on other things. There’s no sense of injustice / whatever. I moved on. I believe the two blogs can very easily co-exist and share commenters – there is no fundamental incompatibility, no bruised feelings.

    TBH I never felt that my alleged sense of humour was ever really all that…desired. Tolerated at best. This is my experience in real life too, so no problem there with butt-hurt either. 😉

    I’ve dropped a couple of comments there since, their blog is listed under ‘interesting’ on my link page, again…no hard feelings.

    As a side note, I left HUS a few months before the gang was booted for similar reasons (the tone was…unwelcoming). And so my exit left me much less raw than their subsequent ejection did. Why bother staying where you’re not appreciated for your brilliance? And artwork? *lol*

    I still think that Ciaran might be King A / Matt King. Who had a similar leadership seeking zeal. He’ll pop up again. He’s still seeking followers to lead direct under the bus.

    [rest of the reply is now a post – see the front page (soon)! Thanks Alana]


  148. Farm Boy says:

    I still think that Ciaran might be King A / Matt King.

    Dunno. Ciaran seemed a bit more rational


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