Fuzzie does it again. Fuzzie @15:32 A nice link, thanks. In fact very nice link. This was the type of material that I loved from Cappy Cap…MOAR PLEASE!
It’s definitely worth a read. I have previously linked to Cappy for his old ‘do men leave the market place’ posts (spoiler alert – YES, they do). And a few more of that ilk (Cappy needs to update the post and link to them…just an opinion 😉 )
Here’s Fuzzie’s link again
Captain Capitalism : MGTOWgate, AKA “Sorry Ladies, MGTOW Isn’t Binary”
The point is, so sorry ladies. So so terribly sorry. MGTOW is not like becoming a born again Christian, quitting drugs cold turkey, or joining AA. It’s not a yes or no, an either or, a 1 or 0. It’s the sad reality that men are making logical and economic choices as to how to spend their finite time, and putting women down further and further in terms of life’s priorities when history and empirical data show they don’t provide an adequate rate of return. However, women are rarely kicked off the list completely. Therefore when you see a MGTOW on a date, getting some play, or has some broad on the back of his motorcycle he isn’t a fraud or a hypocrite. He’s a guy who’s living his own life on his terms and STILL slaying it with the ladies.
PLEASE go and patronise his page, that is a minor excerpt. Drop comments, read ads, follow links, it’s all good.
THIS is entirely in accordance with my views. You DO get to define MGTOW yourself.
(another brief quote – please see the original)
I would like to address the concept of “MGTOW”, because most men have forgotten what that concept means. It originally meant exactly what it said. In spelling out the acronym, I will add the proper emphasis, so that it’s meaning becomes crystal clear: “Men going THEIR OWN way”. Want to be a PUA? Congratulations, you were a MGTOW. Want to be an MRA? Congratulations, you were a MGTOW. Want to not associate with women at all? Congratulations, you were a MGTOW. Want a wife and children? Congratulations, you were a MGTOW. I think you see my point. “Men Going Their Own Way”, as a concept, meant you did what YOU wanted to do, not what people were expecting of you, not what society wanted from you, not from what feminists or women expected from you. And gentlemen, that is an extremely powerful concept.
Why is it a powerful concept? Because it unites men, instead of divides them. That is why the term was co-opted to mean “men who want nothing to do with women”, instead of its original meaning. I have no argument with a PUA, because he’s a MGTOW. I have no argument with an MRA, because he’s a MGTOW. Etc., etc., etc. When I say I “have no argument”, do not mistakenly believe that this means that I have to agree with everything (or indeed, anything) they believe in, or that I cannot criticize them. It simply means I acknowledge that they have the right to lead their own lives in the manner they choose.
Which is interesting as it allows (what I think) Paul Elam’s definition to be true in the original sense.
However, I politely disagree with Paul Elam’s and Sir Chancealot’s claim that you can be a married MGTOW and have it mean very much. But using CappyCap’s broad spectrum definition, we can all scrape along. You can be a married MGTOW, but it’s hardly at the bleeding edge of the
movement loose horde sweeping across the plain in an undefined manner (or heading off over the opposite horizon wanting nothing to do with anything).
But you know what? You know why I’m not asking for a pure movement of guys shunning all contact with the ebul wimminz? Why I do not mind such married guys grabbing the label? Why it’s no skin off my nose? (answer in a minute)
Paul has a book/pamphlet coming out about MGTOW. Should be interesting. Wonder why I’m not annoyed? Great question, thanks folks. It’s because AVFM is a great place to introduce man to the manosphere. If such ingénues (posh for newbies, but in a nice way) see MGTOW there and find that version appealing…great. Because the next thing they’ll find out is that, as CappyCap says, there’s a broad spectrum of meanings out there.
Even the loosest of all definitions is a gateway drug to the red-pill good-and-proper.
So may everyone use any definition they want, weak sauce, whatever…it all leads to the red-pill.
For clarity, take the red-pill and do what you want with it. As long as you’re more aware of what choices you’re making and the consequences of them…that’s all cool by me. I’m not a demagogue I’m an advocate of men doing whatever they damn well please. Hat-top Stardusk starting at 23:03 the bit starting at 23:03 is exactly right*.
*The rest of it, regarding AVFM and JTO? Don’t care. Not taking a side. Will continue to follow both sides (and Diana Davison) because they’re all pro-men or anti the feminine imperative. Follow either side I don’t care. All paths that are pro-men are good by me. All paths that don’t lead to you shovelling the gravel for the fem-dystopia. That’s a dystopia for everyone, not just men. But I don’t think that the ladies are going to realise that en-masse until it’s too late. Men might help them wake up, but I’m not optimistic because the women aren’t listening to the men right now, they’re listening to the fembotz, manginas and white knights. Sadly the fembotz et al don’t live in reality and don’t do consequences until they have the consequences hit them in their own lives (loneliness, kitty-litter and cat treats).
Happy MGTOW Friday folks.