MGTOW – not just giving up.


Fuzzie does it again. Fuzzie @15:32 A nice link, thanks.  In fact very nice link.  This was the type of material that I loved from Cappy Cap…MOAR PLEASE!

It’s definitely worth a read.  I have previously linked to Cappy for his old ‘do men leave the market place’ posts (spoiler alert – YES, they do).  And a few more of that ilk (Cappy needs to update the post and link to them…just an opinion 😉 )

Here’s Fuzzie’s link again

Captain Capitalism : MGTOWgate, AKA “Sorry Ladies, MGTOW Isn’t Binary”

brief quote

The point is, so sorry ladies.  So so terribly sorry.  MGTOW is not like becoming a born again Christian, quitting drugs cold turkey, or joining AA.  It’s not a yes or no, an either or, a 1 or 0.  It’s the sad reality that men are making logical and economic choices as to how to spend their finite time, and putting women down further and further in terms of life’s priorities when history and empirical data show they don’t provide an adequate rate of return.  However, women are rarely kicked off the list completely.  Therefore when you see a MGTOW on a date, getting some play, or has some broad on the back of his motorcycle he isn’t a fraud or a hypocrite.  He’s a guy who’s living his own life on his terms and STILL slaying it with the ladies.

PLEASE go and patronise his page, that is a minor excerpt.  Drop comments, read ads, follow links, it’s all good.


THIS is entirely in accordance with my views.  You DO get to define MGTOW yourself.

In fact a commenter on a great site called JustFourGuys called Sir_Chancealot said

(another brief quote – please see the original)

I would like to address the concept of “MGTOW”, because most men have forgotten what that concept means. It originally meant exactly what it said. In spelling out the acronym, I will add the proper emphasis, so that it’s meaning becomes crystal clear: “Men going THEIR OWN way”. Want to be a PUA? Congratulations, you were a MGTOW. Want to be an MRA? Congratulations, you were a MGTOW. Want to not associate with women at all? Congratulations, you were a MGTOW. Want a wife and children? Congratulations, you were a MGTOW. I think you see my point. “Men Going Their Own Way”, as a concept, meant you did what YOU wanted to do, not what people were expecting of you, not what society wanted from you, not from what feminists or women expected from you. And gentlemen, that is an extremely powerful concept.

Why is it a powerful concept? Because it unites men, instead of divides them. That is why the term was co-opted to mean “men who want nothing to do with women”, instead of its original meaning. I have no argument with a PUA, because he’s a MGTOW. I have no argument with an MRA, because he’s a MGTOW. Etc., etc., etc. When I say I “have no argument”, do not mistakenly believe that this means that I have to agree with everything (or indeed, anything) they believe in, or that I cannot criticize them. It simply means I acknowledge that they have the right to lead their own lives in the manner they choose.

Which is interesting as it allows (what I think) Paul Elam’s definition to be true in the original sense.

However, I politely disagree with Paul Elam’s and Sir Chancealot’s claim that you can be a married MGTOW and have it mean very much. But using CappyCap’s broad spectrum definition, we can all scrape along. You can be a married MGTOW, but it’s hardly at the bleeding edge of the movement loose horde sweeping across the plain in an undefined manner (or heading off over the opposite horizon wanting nothing to do with anything).

But you know what? You know why I’m not asking for a pure movement of guys shunning all contact with the ebul wimminz? Why I do not mind such married guys grabbing the label? Why it’s no skin off my nose? (answer in a minute)

Paul has a book/pamphlet coming out about MGTOW.  Should be interesting.  Wonder why I’m not annoyed?  Great question, thanks folks.  It’s because AVFM is a great place to introduce man to the manosphere.  If such ingénues (posh for newbies, but in a nice way) see MGTOW there and find that version appealing…great.  Because the next thing they’ll find out is that, as CappyCap says, there’s a broad spectrum of meanings out there.

Even the loosest of all definitions is a gateway drug to the red-pill good-and-proper.

So may everyone use any definition they want, weak sauce, whatever…it all leads to the red-pill.

For clarity, take the red-pill and do what you want with it. As long as you’re more aware of what choices you’re making and the consequences of them…that’s all cool by me. I’m not a demagogue I’m an advocate of men doing whatever they damn well please. Hat-top Stardusk starting at 23:03 the bit starting at 23:03 is exactly right*.

*The rest of it, regarding AVFM and JTO? Don’t care. Not taking a side. Will continue to follow both sides (and Diana Davison) because they’re all pro-men or anti the feminine imperative. Follow either side I don’t care. All paths that are pro-men are good by me. All paths that don’t lead to you shovelling the gravel for the fem-dystopia. That’s a dystopia for everyone, not just men. But I don’t think that the ladies are going to realise that en-masse until it’s too late. Men might help them wake up, but I’m not optimistic because the women aren’t listening to the men right now, they’re listening to the fembotz, manginas and white knights. Sadly the fembotz et al don’t live in reality and don’t do consequences until they have the consequences hit them in their own lives (loneliness, kitty-litter and cat treats).

Happy MGTOW Friday folks.

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261 comments on “MGTOW – not just giving up.
  1. Farm Boy says:

    take the red-pill and do what you want with it. As long as you’re more aware of what choices you’re making and the consequences of them

    Yes. And let us educate more in the red pill.

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  2. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Thanks for the recognition, Spawny. It’s not often that Captain Capitalism does somehing this incisive on relations between the sexes. The last one that was this good was that one you linked to that goes back to 2009.
    The word on this has to get to ordinary women. They are going to feel the absence of men very soon and it will take a long time for them to regain the confidence that men once had in them.

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  3. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,

    That’s *if* men ever gain that much confidence in women again. Personally, I think the toothpaste is out of the tube…it’ll be a real bitch to get back in there.

    But then, perhaps it’s for the best. As I’m trying to explain to one of my commenters, being put on a pedestal may look like an awesome seat, but it’s really not. I think a lot more women could stand to be knocked off…

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  4. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    I think a lot of it stems from women seeing men as an adjunct to their lives rather than something central. Feminism has been too busy selling the notion that men are optional. We’re not. Bill Price at The Spearhead wrote about how much it was to take care of a newborn when both parents are there and onboard with the program.

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  5. I have always viewed MTGOW in this broader way, not to mean absolutely zero never ever talking/dating/relating with women (although for some MTGOW, that may indeed be their path.) Well said Spawny and crew!

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  6. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Redpillgirlnotes,
    The operative point in MGTOW, Men Going Their Own Way, is that the men are going Their Own Way. They are settin their life course themselves and not letting anyone else dictate to them.
    For a lot of them, a sweet girl with a ponytail may be an asset.
    I think one of Spacetraveller’s biggest posts was her appeal to MGTOWs before she found her beau and got married.

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  7. Cill says:

    “All paths that are pro-men are good by me. All paths that don’t lead to you shovelling the gravel for the fem-dystopia.”

    I too am good with all such paths. While remaining completely okay with other styles of MGTOW, I have emphatically chosen the MGTOW path that fits me.

    I am always delighted to have the company of my sisters and female relatives, who are all unicorns. Otherwise I have the least possible interaction with “western” women. Some of my relationships with women from non-feminist countries are now bordering on FWB status. So the grim, determined effort of feminism to drive a wedge between the genders has worked in my case. I hate to think they have beaten me, but the truth is I have real difficulty with women who don’t reject feminism (just about every unrelated woman I’ve ever met in the “western” world) and I want nothing to do with them.

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  8. Spawny Get says:

    Thanks Bloom. I liked writing that. Given how much was recently said about what men like me think and don’t do…I wanted to say how I felt about what the manosphere is for from where I stand in it.

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  9. Spawny Get says:

    That Stardusk video is worth a listen. Not just from 23:03, but particularly from that point.

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  10. Spawny Get says:

    Knuckle bump Cill.

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  11. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I wish that the Kiwi women that you are not related to were easier to get along with. I can’t help feeling that part of it may be that they are worried about the possibility of developing a relationship but, I’m not there and you are.
    Once again, they should be easier to get along with and I don’t think it’s your fault.

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  12. Cill says:

    Spawny and Fuzzy
    Thanks for your thoughts. It’s good to know there are people who understand.

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  13. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I am watching an old miniseries on youtube. When the two star crossed sweethearts see each other again, there’s violin music to cue the audience. It’s too bad that doesn’t happen in real life to cue the sweethearts. It sure would make life easier.
    Now, I am being silly but, I think girls would appreciate this just as much as boys, at least the principle of it

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  14. Cill says:

    Yeah mate. Getting back to “they are worried about the possibility of developing a relationship”

    My interaction with western women never gets off the ground, let alone to relationship stage. After I became MGHOW, there were 5 who sought a relationship. Four of them might have just liked where I live and what I’ve got, I guess. The fifth one was an heiress and had no need whatsoever for my assets. In fact, in a property split on divorce I would have won, big time. She really did love me and I became sorely tempted. All interaction with her ended with her getting hurt very badly. Things have not always been trouble-free in paradise. Never again. I hate hurting people. Cheers bro.

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  15. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I am going to presume that you are easygoing and easy to get along with. That which would make you good roommate material should put you at the front of the line as a potential husband. Same for me.
    It doesn’t sem to be working out for me. It shouldn’t feel like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

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  16. Yoda says:

    I am going to presume that you are easygoing and easy to get along with. That which would make you good roommate material should put you at the front of the line as a potential husband. Same for me.
    It doesn’t sem to be working out for me. It shouldn’t feel like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

    Create drama you do not.
    Weakness this is.

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  17. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    “Create drama, you do not.
    Weakness this is.”

    Doggone it! If a woman wants drama, I’ll get netflix. How hard does it have to be?
    Someone should tell women the working definition of adventure. It’s someone far away, a long time ago, who is in REALLY BIG trouble.

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  18. Cill says:

    “easy to get along with”. I can give a firm “Yes” to that one. People keep telling me I’m easy – sometimes too easy according to them.

    “good roommate material”. I’m not sure. I sleep 4 hours a night on average and can go 72 hours without sleep with no apparent ill effects. I get up in the night and play music or watch TV or go on the computer or go outside and enjoy the night air. If I lived with someone, she would need to sleep in a soundproof room.

    Soundproof room: Hey that’s another project for me! Spawny came up with another great suggestion that I’m taking seriously too.

    “It shouldn’t feel like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.”
    No-one should try to go where they don’t fit. No.

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  19. blurkel says:

    The Captain raised an interesting point in his survey of how much energy men put into chasing women at various ages. While he might have spent 25% of his time in pursuit at age 25, what age is he now? In comparison, I never spent that much time at any age, and neither have my two sons, who are more MGTOW naturally than many who actively studied it.

    Some of us saw what marriage did to our fathers and chose to not pursue the same path. I’d like to think that my experience is what led to my sons being MGTOW.

    This rant leads to this: what would you have answered to the Captain’s question?

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  20. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Blurkel,

    “never spent that much time at any age”

    I’m in your camp, I think, maybe one year I spent a night or two a week sharking for women. During that time I met an attractive feminine woman and got married a few years later. One ride on the marriage carousel (no kids) proved sufficient, done and dusted.

    I like sex just fine and find women to be capable of being pleasant companions, but that’s about it. If I’d known that I wanted kids then maybe I’d have been more focused. But I have never really felt any huge urge to have kids.

    MGTOW was never much of a stretch for me. If an attractive unicorn just happened to come along would I be tempted to have a relationship? yeah, probably, of some sort, but she’d be a hell of unicorn. I no longer have any tolerance for drama. Unsurprisingly this means that I have put a low priority on searching for attractive, drama-free, feminine* unicorns…

    (*might be an oxymoron in there, maybe more than one)

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  21. I have been pondering this can a married guy be mtgtow? I think how TedD has described his 2nd marriage and his attitude and approach going in is mtgtow. So I vote it is possible. I see it more an attitude than a relationship status. My 2 cents anyway!

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  22. Spawny Get says:

    Hey Bloom,

    that’s an interesting point regarding TedD. TBH he and i seem to have pretty similar views about all kinds of things. The main difference being that he had kids in his first marriage, I didn’t. I can afford to act the arse (I’m good at it too), he can’t. As far as i can see he put his kids first. I have all the respect in the world for that.

    TBH I can’t see him as an MGTOW (does he? genuinely interested in his views given recent occurrences in the MGTOW arena – see Stardusk and Sandman youtube vids).

    As I’ve said above, it’s not that I feel that I have ownership of the label, but Ted is not going HIS own way right now. He’s going the best way he can find for (originally his first family’s kids, but now) his family.

    In his shoes I might well do what he’s done. I have no criticism for the guy. He knows that.

    But good point…

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  23. Yoda says:

    If a woman wants drama, I’ll get netflix.

    Real drama they want.
    Bored they are.

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  24. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Redpillgirlnotes,
    I think TedD has talked at length about the differences in his two marriages. The first, being blue pill, fell apart. He’s determined not to aloow this in the second. In that he is making a conscious effort to guide the marriage, he is definitely red pill and he is off the beaten blue pill path of life. That would not be in opposition to MGTOW principles.

    Yoda, “Bored they are.” Not Mrs. Yoda, after eight hundred years, I would hope that she is well past that.

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  25. Yoda says:

    Not Mrs. Yoda, after eight hundred years

    Bored she is not.
    Taught not to do she was.
    Poisons relationship it does.
    Bad for both this is.

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  26. Spawny Get says:

    Hitler decides to commit Soduku

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  27. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    Over eight hundred years, there must have been times when there was more excitement than she could handle. A little “boring” might come as a relief.
    “Excitement? A Jedi craves not these things.”
    Could she have inspired that?

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  28. Farm Boy says:

    I wonder if those chicks in the Hitler video made good sammiches…

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  29. Spawny Get says:

    A few of them could probably rustle up a couple of tasty brotchen. Nom nom nom

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  30. Spawny Get says:

    That is German for baps, isn’t it?

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  31. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    There’s only one problem with thwsw Hitler videos, Nazis were traditionalists by present day standards. They would have had no patience at all with feminists. Kinder, kuche, Kirche. Children, kitchen, church. If I remember correctly.
    Areal German girl from that time would be happy to make you a sandwich, Farm Boy.

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  32. Farm Boy says:

    They considered the duty of the women to be to make more Germans

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  33. Spawny Get says:

    Somewhat off topic, but it seems that like me, Adolf prefers red to white (roses)

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  34. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I think the intention was to capture all of Eastern Europe and repopulate it with ethnic Germans. In a word, genocide.
    Albert Speer mentioned in his book, that the Nazis had no Rosie the Riviter, thereby handicapping their ability to produce.

    You know what, we need to figure out what we are going to do with all the displaced fembots once their ideology is out of favor. Movie theater ushers? Elevator Operators? Buggy whip makers?

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  35. Cill says:

    Result from Soldiers Field at Chicago :
    New Zealand All Blacks 76 U.S.A. Eagles 6

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  36. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    That is embarrassing.

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  37. Spawny Get says:

    So…a close run thing then? Did they send the American ladies’ netball team by mistake?

    Sounds like it was BDSM with funny shaped balls.

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  38. Farm Boy says:

    I once was in Yorkshire and had some of the pudding. Am I an enemy?

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  39. Spawny Get says:

    Nope, not with me. I did time in Eboracum and Yorvik. Loved the place. Who doesn’t love Yorkshire puds?

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  40. Spawny Get says:

    Yorkshire and Lancashire have been rivals for centuries. The red rose vs the white. They had to build the Pennines to keep them apart.

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  41. Cill says:

    Hello Spawny,

    Thank you for your kind invitation.

    I am terribly nervous about this, and will come into it gradually if you do not mind. You mentioned the red rose vs the white, which gives me an excuse to refer to The House of Plantagenet. I find the Wars of the Roses a fascinating period of English history.

    Please excuse the brevity. This has been my very first “blog”.

    Elizabeth (Cill’s mother)

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  42. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I have this overwhelming compulsion to improve my behavior knowing that your mother is looking in.

    Spawny,
    Earlier, you brought up Nazis. I hve been watching accounts of the crisis in the Ukraine and it seems that they have surfaced there. My first impressionn is that they would be very unpopular.

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  43. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Elizabeth,
    Well this is my first blog. It’s coming up for one month old. The only reason I gave it a go was Cill, Tarn and I seemed to have fun. We had the seed of a community, which has grown with other nice people. It’s been fun.

    We seemed to study the Wars of the Roses for years at school. And yes, it was the red rose of York vs the white of Lancaster, combining to give the red and white Tudor rose. Both Yorkshire and Lancashire both have beautiful bits, not sure if either can compete with NZ though. Maybe in bits, certainly more castles…but nowhere near the scale.

    Think it’s time for my beauty sleep, but keep well…drop by any time 😉

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  44. Spawny Get says:

    Yawning here Fuzzie, but I suppose you have those that prefer national socialism’s atrocities to international socialism’s atrocities. Personally, they all look like atrocities to me.

    How about fembotz (retired) as railway sleepers? Traffic speed control bumps (aka sleeping policemen over here) and channel marker buoys (properly pronounced as ‘boys’ BTW 😉 )? Can’t think of many other uses for them.

    Good night folks!

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  45. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night, Spawny!
    Channel marker bouys? I hadn’t considered that.

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  46. Cill says:

    Hi Spawny,

    Now I really do have to go. Cill’s Dad is a man I could sprinkle sugar on and lick, he’s so gorgeous, but patience is not exactly his strongest quality. Cill tells me the correct word is “comment” rather than “blog”. O dear I was nervous with my first comment. It was almost as bad as the first time Cill took me skydiving. I almost died a thousand deaths! The things a mother will do for her son!

    Now that I’ve made a start, it’s not as forbidding as I had thought it would be. Goodnight to you.

    Elizabeth

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  47. Spawny Get says:

    Ballast for dirigibles? Eco friendly targets for coconut shys? Slalom poles for skiing? SCARECROWS!!! Soooo obvious.

    You need to get creative, mate. None of them will be conventionally employable.

    Really, really good night…

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  48. Farm Boy says:

    “Hotel Euphoria”

    On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair
    Warm smell of self-coitus, rising up through the air
    Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
    My head grew heavy and down it went
    I had to stop for the night
    There she stood in the doorway;
    I sensed a different smell
    And I was thinking to myself,
    “This could be Heaven or this could be Hell”
    Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
    There were voices down the corridor,
    I thought I heard them say…

    Welcome to the Hotel Euphoria
    Such a lovely place (Such a lovely place)
    Such a lovely face
    Plenty of room at the Hotel Euphoria
    Any time of year (Any time of year)
    You can find it here

    Her mind was patriarchy-twisted, she does like the mens
    She got no silly, slutty girls that she calls friends
    How she dances in the courtyard, a very fine brunette
    So very pleasant, she looks like a good bet.

    So I called up the Captain,
    “She looks very fine”
    He said, “She’s one of many virgins here, isn’t that so very divine”?
    And still those voices are calling from far away,
    Wake you up in the middle of the night
    Just to hear them say…

    Welcome to the Hotel Euphoria
    Such a lovely place (Such a lovely place)
    Such a lovely face
    They’re sweet virgins at the Hotel Euphoria
    What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise)
    Girls can be allies

    Women so appealing
    The silly feminism on ice
    And she said “We are all just good gals here, just roll the dice”
    And in the master’s chambers,
    They gathered by the priest
    They stab feminism with the wooden stakes,
    In the name of humanity they killed the beast

    Last thing I remember, I was
    Locking the door
    I had to prevent passage from
    from the place I was before
    “Relax, ” said the night man,
    “Never again will you self-relieve
    Choose the sweet gal that you like
    And you will never leave! “

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  49. Cill says:

    If I tell people who know her that my mum entered a comment on a blog site they’ll think I’m pulling their leg.
    I’m absolutely tickled pink!
    Yippee!

    BTW I thought Spawny’s suggestions ^^^ were excellent.

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  50. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    When it comes to renumerative employment, those fembots will have to figure it out themselves.

    Cill,
    Glad to see that your mother is a commenter now.

    FarmBoy,
    I don’t think the Eagles had that in mind when they wrote Hotel California.
    Your version is much happier.

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  51. Cill says:

    Farm Boy, you won’t believe this, but my young cousin is here watching “The Shining” right now!
    I better have a Red Rum, to settle myself down.

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  52. Cill says:

    What I’m getting at is:
    The resort in The Shining is a bit like the hotel in Hotel California.

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  53. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I always linked the two. While reading the book, I played the album.

    You know what? A band needs to be formed to extol the virtues of women who make sandwiches.

    I am glad that your family was included in our discussion.

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  54. Cill says:

    One of the creepiest songs I’ve heard was “One Of These Nights” by the Eagles.

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  55. Cill says:

    “I am glad that your family was included in our discussion.”

    Thanks Fuzzy. I’ve learned something from it. I didn’t know mum was so nervous of her first sky dive. She had done a lot of rock climbing was used to heights. As I remember it she just calmly stepped out of the plane, but apparently there were jitters going on inside that she didn’t let me see. She has told me quite a few times that her last 2 pregnancies changed her. Maybe they removed her confidence of heights.

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  56. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    Do you think that your Mom and Molly would like to see this? It’s my all time favorite live action bear video. You could email them with a link.

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  57. Cill says:

    Fuzzy the family has had a rip-roaring good time here today. I’ve pitched tents out back and they’re staying here overnight. The festivities are starting in earnest now (4:40 pm) and you won’t hear much more of me tonight. Maybe a quick comment here and there. Let me wish you in advance, a good peaceful night.

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  58. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night, Cill! It’s bedtime for me.

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  59. Cill says:

    May you dream of honey sans bees, my ursine cobber.

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  60. blurkel says:

    And the official policy of the German government was to subsidize the maternity, even if the mother was not yet married to a fine, upstanding member of the Master Race.

    Try getting that one past the American fundamentalists like Dalrock!

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  61. blurkel says:

    While the Third Reich started out keeping women out of the factories, by 1943 they were actively recruiting women for those jobs due to the massive manpower drain of the Eastern Front. They never did catch up. Reich Rosie definitely did Rivet in Regensburg and everywhere else.

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  62. blurkel says:

    Cutler must have been playing since the Bears are on a bye this week.

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  63. blurkel says:

    Modern fascisti are popping up all over the EU. This is not a good sign.

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  64. Cill says:

    blurkel: after you look at
    http://tarnishedsophia.wordpress.com/
    Should we continue the conversation here? I’m interested to take it further if you are.

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  65. Cill says:

    blurkel, hang on,
    The last link I gave you was pretty useless. Here’s a better one:

    http://tarnishedsophia.wordpress.com/2014/10/23/mgtow-survey-results-part-3-women/#comment-4091

    After you catch up with THAT link, we should continue the conversation about it here? If you agree, let’s go for it. Let’s hammer it out.

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  66. Spawny Get says:

    The only difference between having it here and there is that comments won’t be held up here. Tarn releases every comment manually (AFAIAA), so when she’d sleeping and working the conversation can get choppy. That’s another couple of the reasons why I started this place, rather than drag content that she might not prefer onto her blog AND increase her workload using a phone, I started this blog.

    I like the idea of having a ‘radio’ network on tap where I can just set a playlist going and get on with stuff. I’m enjoying music, but not playing any at the moment. Music raises my mood but I find it distracting lately.

    I reckon you or he should think about opening up a Youtube / Vimeo / whatever channel and start compiling lists. Maybe both of you start channels and just be best buddy channels? If I get my musical mojo back, then I can join in perhaps? maybe TedD too seeing as his latest post is about music.

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  67. Spawny Get says:

    “Modern fascisti are popping up all over the EU. This is not a good sign.”

    I don’t know if you’ve been following the progress of UKIP or not(?) but I regard them as the last hope before we get such a resurgence here. The LSM has been trying to tar them (UKIP) as extremists themselves, but that no longer works. (might slap up a quick post on this, I’m mulling…)

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  68. Cill says:

    Blurkel, in a discussion on tarn*, had an angle on music that could be very appealing. I bet you’ve met such men as well. Ten years ago I knew an American guy Gaylor who played notes so sweet they’d charm the bunnies off a squatted pot, yet nobody had heard of him. I just have a feeling about this…

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  69. blurkel says:

    Since we are discussing putting our recommendations here, it makes sense to see what others might have to say about it.

    I must, however, call a time out as I’m about to go off and earn my salt for the day. I’ll be back to this in about 12 hours, so be patient! California time is a bit ahead of yours!

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  70. blurkel says:

    Interesting thought. I’ll mull it over as I toil away my day. Back in about 12 hours.

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  71. blurkel says:

    I’ve only just discovered UKIP due to the recent “conversion” of an MP. I would find your take on them helpful.

    Any thoughts on SNP?

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  72. Cill says:

    I think I could discuss with him whether we are putting up just another modernified Casey Kasem American Top 40, or something more particular. It’s hard to explain without hearing more from blurkel.

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  73. Spawny Get says:

    “California time is a bit ahead of yours!”
    Odd isn’t it. You can almost argue it either way with Cill from my UK perspective. But he’s ending Sunday while I start it, so I’d say he was 12 hours ahead. You’re definitely behind me and yet ahead of him…

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  74. Spawny Get says:

    SNP? Putting the nationalism aside (their country, they should be patriotic. bit less anti-English would be nice. or at least keep it real).

    The SNP is farther left than the Labour party. At least the labour party pretends some fiscal awareness as they, every damn time, piss money away like a broken fire hydrant.

    Here’s 6oodfella (on my blog’s link list) from just before the referendum (which I did mention around here, somewhere). He seems very pragmatic and reasonable.

    6oodfella : My Obligatory Scottish Independence Video

    In current news Scottish Labour is in the broon stuff as their core vote heads harder left to SNP and the rest of the electorate run screaming towards the Scottish Conservatives (which had been having a terrible time). The whole electoral system is in turmoil. UKIP is going to win Rochester/Strood in under three weeks time. CamerMong made that a mini-referendum on his party…oops. Him and his bunch are starting to steal UKIP material, but have NO DAMN CREDIBILITY on them. Happy Days.

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  75. Spawny Get says:

    I was aiming low, if you guys can run with it and make something more interesting…you go guys.

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  76. Cill says:

    New Zealand is just to the west (if you think about it that’s just to the sunrise side) of the International Date Line, which means, gentlemen, I am 12 hours ahead of the Bri’ish Isles and I think about 19 hours ahead of California.

    This is Dr Who talking here. Just saying

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  77. Cill says:

    A sailor knows these things. I give my thanks to an under-rated Brit genius by the name of Harrison. A seriously intelligent man, who died thinking he was a failure. As a sailor I had reason to thank my lucky stars for Harrison several times, and I could go so far as to say I owe my life to that brilliant man.

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  78. Spawny Get says:

    Cill, I agree with your comment there.

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  79. Spawny Get says:

    More about marriage, don’t know if you want to use it.

    http://conservativewoman.co.uk/kathy-gyngell-ignore-collapse-marriage-peril/

    For the simple truth is that neither men nor women thrive without marriage. And the fact that men and boys suffer most seems to be of no concern and entirely without leverage as far as public policy is concerned.

    It is indisputable that fatherlessness drives income inequality, child poverty, and declining mobility, yet we still find the Government blithely pursuing child poverty reduction targets without any reference to, let alone any attempt to, reducing fatherlessness.

    Instead, the Home Office and other departments seem preoccupied by spurious equality issues – that our great challenge as a society is to ensure the gender pay gap is closed, to secure 40 per cent women quotas on boards by hook or by crook.

    They are blindly indifferent to the startling decline in the fortunes of moderately to poorly educated men over the past several decades (which I referred to in my ‘social mobility’ blog last week. So fixated are they on so called ‘family friendly’ policies like getting mothers back to work as soon as possible after childbirth, they ignore mothers’ preferences and infants’ needs in equal measure.

    No wonder ‘labour force trend’ analyses here and in the United States show women gaining ground and men losing ground. But as Belinda Brown argues here it is all for nothing. She shows there is no evidence that woman friendly employment activities increase company productivity or significantly increase the size of the workforce at all. What they increase is levels of male inactivity.

    An analysis by two MIT economists entitled Wayward Sons, published earlier this year, explored why this was happening. Were women, they asked, gaining ground because they proved to be better at the tasks a highly information-rich economy rewards, or was the loss of brawny jobs to blame for men’s falling labour-force participation and declining earnings? They weighed and measured each proposition carefully.

    But the conclusion the authors arrived at had nothing to do with these possible hypotheses.

    What they found underlay the trends was quite different. It was the dramatic change in family structure since 1970. In that year 69 percent of black men without a high-school diploma were married. By 2010, it was just 17 percent. The marriage rate among non-college-attending whites and Hispanics had also declined precipitously .

    They went further and examined the link between family composition and child welfare (also well established here in the UK but all too often forgotten). “Wayward Sons” focused on the differentially harmful effects of fatherlessness on sons versus daughters.

    “Growing up in a single-parent home appears to significantly decrease the probability of college attendance for boys, yet has no similar effect for girls.” Boys from such homes “are 25 percentage points more likely to be suspended in the eighth grade than girls from these households, whereas the corresponding gender gap between boys and girls from households with two biological parents was only 10 percentage points.”

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  80. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawmy Get,
    An eye opening link espescially when you consider that it is not from a red pill source. It’s encouraging that normal people are seeing the situation for what it is and want to do something positive.
    One thought that struck me as I read the link, when I got to the point “increase male inactivity”, I had to wonder. Are feminists more motivated by accrueing benefit to women or doing damage to men? Thought of Jessica Valenti bathing in male tears.

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  81. Farm Boy says:

    You need to get creative, mate. None of them will be conventionally employable.

    Traffic barrels
    Crash test dummies
    Visible examples of the curse of Eve
    Pontoons

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  82. Yoda says:

    Thought of Jessica Valenti bathing in male tears.

    Salty this would be.
    Hard on skin it is.
    Less attractive her it would make.

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  83. Spawny Get says:

    “Thought of Jessica Valenti bathing in male tears.”

    There’s a guy using an image of her wearing that sweatshirt on Twitter…he doesn’t seem to be a fan.

    “Less attractive her it would make.”

    Beauty is only skin deep, being a hideous person is to the core.

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  84. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I think that Jessica Valenti went to the beach wearing that sweatshirt and had a photo taken which was posted on social media. Judgybitch got a hold of it and it just exploded.
    I always thought that jessica Valenti advanced herself as a moderate. That she would wear something that promoted the message that she took pleasure in someone else’s pain is not a moderate stance. It’s simply hateful.

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  85. Cill says:

    “Are feminists more motivated by accrueing benefit to women or doing damage to men? Thought of Jessica Valenti bathing in male tears.”

    Aha! Finally, someone has said it!
    Primarily, feminism is motivated by its hatred for the Patriarchy.

    P.S. Some lovely people will wake up with sore heads in paradise this morning.

    I just met my wee cuzzie Molly emerging from a tent, because she has to work on time. She was wearing one of my dessing gowns with sleeves down to her knees and dragging on the ground behind her like a Queen-to-be’s robe in a coronation. I said “*Now* I bet you’re glad I didn’t send that comment last night!” She fixed me an un-Molly-like thousand yard stare and said “Why not? It was just a bit of fun.”

    So here’s what she wrote last night, in the safety of her very safe family. As a responsible older cuzzie I stopped it just in time. However, as a potentially mischievous older cuzzie, instead of deleting it I copied and pasted it just in case. In the cold reality of the morning, she still wants me to send it, so here it is (warning: it’s rather risque!)

    Bears are all little snubbly wubbly bitsies and piecees and cute wee roundy earsies and snoozzies and smoochy woochy fluzees and thingees and wherezees n stuff.
    Awww y too cute n kudleee 🙂
    Molly frend ❤ ❤ ❤

    Molly tomolly will prolly jolly wolly regretty flirty cuddly bear

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  86. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    That Molly! All the boys must be juseating out of her hand.
    Here’s another favorite real bear video. Suitable for your Mom too.

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  87. Cill says:

    Molly Tomolly 😉

    New nickname for her. I can think of 2 meanings to it and there are probably more. Hmm… wonder if she realized that at the time? Of course she did! So I’ll replace “Wee Molly”, which she has grown out of, with Molly T’molly. She’s a tomorrow’s girl, maybe, but is she introspective? Not sure about that. Definitely not schizophrenic.

    Just musing here… deep in a brown study… I better shut up before Spawny disagrees with me…

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  88. Spawny Get says:

    If you love the show Girls like I love the show Girls (never watched any of the utter utter crap popular show)…

    Then you might like this:

    http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2014/11/the-science-behind-dunham-horror.html

    Translated from the jargon, what that means is that there is solid scientific grounds for believing that leftists are too stupid to understand potential threats and too filthy to be repulsed by disgusting things.

    Go there for the rest. Will be correcting the absence of Vox and AlphaGame in my link list tomorrow.

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  89. Spawny Get says:

    “I better shut up before Spawny disagrees with me…”

    hmm…what would that even look like? I have no idea.

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  90. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Lena Dunham’s career was catapulted on her popularity with feminists. Now, that it’s sputtering, she is making some outrageous admissions to continue to curry favor. It’s pretty sick and if she were male and making these same admissions, she would be in so much trouble.

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  91. Spawny Get says:

    She’d be awaiting trial.

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  92. Farm Boy says:

    Do you have Lena Dunham links Fuzzie Bear?

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  93. Farm Boy says:

    Sorry. I see it now. I was not associating DunhamHorror with Lena Dunham. I probably should have though.

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  94. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I can’t find the one that I read yesterday. It does seem as if this was taken from a yet to be released book. This is getting curious. You can scroll up to the link that Spawny left.

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  95. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    A little searching revealed that the National Review was the first with this news. Lena is furious.
    Something interesting and more important. NR is going after Wendy Davis, the gubanatorial candidate in Texas.

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  96. Cill says:

    “There is solid scientific grounds for believing that leftists are too stupid to understand potential threats and too filthy to be repulsed by disgusting things.”
    That sums up my deeply-rooted disgust for feminism. The lefties allowing Pakistani men in England to use white girls as sex slaves:
    If that had been white men, feminists would have made sure every person on the planet knew about it. They would have brought down hatred upon us with all their power.

    That’s why I say a have a real problem with western women who fail to renounce feminism.

    However I remain positive for reasons I’ve already given. A sea change is in its very early stages but it has begun.

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  97. Cill says:

    I wonder how Spawny does that crossed-out-words trick. It gives him an advantage over all other commenters, which is why I dare not criticize him at all.

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  98. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    I look forward to seeing how things unfold in Texas with the Govenor’s election. Wendy Davis is the darling of the feminists. It will be interesting to see how badly she loses the election.

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  99. Spawny Get says:

    His benevolent penguinness Spawny shall now share some wisdom. For this trick requires not super powers.

    You know the old angle brackets/less than & greater than?
    Can’t use them to tell you how to do it, so I will demonstrate with [] in place of the magic ones.

    [del]this text would be struck through[/del]

    Match the [¿¿¿] and [/¿¿¿] pairs!!!

    Italics are ‘i’, bold is ‘b’

    Use angle brackets & pair the start and end.

    Let loose the fuckwittery, for verily there shall be screw ups…

    Enjoy

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  100. Spawny Get says:

    Regarding Rotherham. They just elected the replacement for the labour party arse bloke who finally resigned as top police geezer. They elected the Labour candidate…might be that postal votes were decisive. Remember I said about the millions of fake postal voters? Good old Labour, ever vigilant to ensure the legitimacy of the electorate. Not corrupt and incompetent and immune to shame at all. Oh no, sirree Bob.

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  101. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    That is so sad. And yyes, the postal votes likely did the trick.

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  102. blurkel says:

    “…putting up just another modernified Casey Kasem American Top 40, or something more particular…”

    Definitely NOT Top 40! There is a lot of great music out there which deserves wider distribution. My rough rule of thumb would be something I consider under-heard which is different enough that it should merit a listen. We might open some ears that way!

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  103. Yoda says:

    “Rage Spiral” Lena Dunham has.
    Anger leads to hate.
    Hate leads to headlines.

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  104. Yoda says:

    Lindy West on steroids Lena Dunham is.
    Steroids or natural rot by which rage is caused?

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  105. Yoda says:

    Under stress she is.
    M&Ms she must eat.

    Fuzzie Bear picture he does provide.

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  106. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    There is one good thing to consider. If Lena’s career is on a slide, in figuring out how to adapt to a post-feminist world, she could be a pathfinder for her collegues.
    She could have a youtube channel with lots of videos on sandwich making.

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  107. Cill says:

    You mean like this?

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  108. Cill says:

    Shit it worked!

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  109. Cill says:

    Let us all bow down to the benevolent penguinness of the great man! Heil!

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  110. Spawny Get says:

    nobody likes a smart arse Cill…oh he thanked me

    You are very welcome. Combos? Bold italic? Etc

    Enjoy 😉

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  111. blurkel says:

    @Spawny

    6oodfella has quite the accent! It took me a couple of tries before I caught what he was saying. Considering that our midterm election this Tuesday is filled with the sort of propaganda he rejects, I’d love to have him analyze our situation based on facts. Neither of our major parties has much of a working relationship with them, so they don’t offer them. It’s all scare tactics all the time.

    Thanks for the SNP thumbnail. As far as the US media is concerned right now, there is no world outside the US borders.

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  112. Cill says:

    Spawny: should I set up a preliminary bare bones blog for blurkel and me to discuss it free of other traffic?

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  113. blurkel says:

    @Cill Dr Who

    While it’s true the day changes, the hours are sequential. You and Spawny were headed to bed while I was arising long before the sunrise. As one day blurs into the next on such a schedule, the actual day matters little to me.

    And just who is Who’s companion right now? I’ve not had time to keep up.

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  114. Spawny Get says:

    Up to you Cill, but unless you pay for hosting, I doubt you want the actual project on a blog. I was thinking YouTube/ video / (anyone know?)

    In the meantime, why not create a post here and have the conversation on it? If you want it to be private I can exchange email addresses if you want (both need to agree), although Blurkel should know that you will see his email address if you create the post…

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  115. Cill says:

    Was I getting into Dr Who stuff? I can’t remember actually. We had a big family party here yesterday, blurkel, and the old Cill bonker is not quite up to par this morning.

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  116. Cill says:

    That’s right, you can’t do that sort of thing on the free version. I’ll call the post “under-heard music”. Any related stuff can go into comments there, blurkel. No pressure, no deadlines, this will take some time.

    Meanwhile if anyone has info re Spawny’s question 2 November, 2014 at 11:35 pm above, leave it at under-heard music.

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  117. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Lindy West has her own website now. When I heard that Jezebel had let her go, I was concerned that we wouldn’t have our favorite feminist to make fun of anymore.
    Image per FB’s request

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lindy+west+m%26m&qs=n&form=QBIRMH&pq=lindy+west+m%26m&sc=0-13&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&id=4DA19B5091E25B3166208A64D9A1EF16020AD5D7&selectedIndex=6

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  118. Spawny Get says:

    You’re welcome Blurkel. As an observer I thought 6oodfella gave a fair statement. The US is big enough that the rest of the world is less important…don’t really blame you. I’ve been covering UKIP a little, just in case anyone is interested. We have by-election on the 20th which UKIP will win. Next May is the General Election…

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  119. Cill says:

    Blurkel, the new post is there now. Get to it by Archives > November

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  120. blurkel says:

    @Cill

    Some versions of HTML include a “strike-/strike” delimiter which produces the text in questions. Some browsers will support it and others won’t, Remember the angle brackets!

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  121. blurkel says:

    @Spawny

    re: UKIP comments – consider me interested.

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  122. Cill says:

    Thanks Blurkel will it work here

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  123. blurkel says:

    It looks like it’s working to me!

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  124. Cill says:

    this is where I diss spawny for the very first time cross it out quick before he sees it

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  125. blurkel says:

    this is where I diss spawny for the very first time cross it out quick before he sees it

    Snicker! Chortle! Guffaw!

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  126. Spawny Get says:

    I only started the blog last month, Blurkel. So searching the archives is…Not too bad. There are a few ukip posts there. As Rochester/Strood approaches I’ll do something. The word is that the Cons have given in. Ukip will walk it. 15% lead in the last poll.

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  127. Cill says:

    Drat! He clicked my blue star to show he liked it or he’s warning me he saw it

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  128. Cill says:

    I have to leave you guys for a while. Be happy! Be carefree as a bear!

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  129. Spawny Get says:

    The sculpture could have been worse, Fuzzie. What if they’d had the two mothers as Dunham and West? The materials alone would have cost a fortune. Didn’t know Lundy had got the sack though. Typo there, but Lindy is the same size as the Isle of Lundy, so I left it as poetic justice.

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  130. Spawny Get says:

    Combos now, eh? Tears before bedtime.

    Speaking of which, Good night John Boy…

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  131. blurkel says:

    I have to go as well. My email service has a daily traffic limit and I’m rapidly approaching it. I’ll be back tomorrow – whenever that really is in your nation!

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  132. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    There’s always a way to make things worse and,you found it.
    Good night
    Cill, I’ll be carefree.

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  133. Tarnished says:

    @Blurkel 4:39 Nov 1

    A man should only put as much energy into a woman as she is willing to return.

    @Everyone

    I’m perfectly fine with people using this space to continue conversations from my blog. As it is, I’m currently on the fence about keeping moderation going…other than that Richard dude and his “barbed dildo”/”feminist spy” comment, it has been a while since anything has come down the line that I’ve been hesitant about allowing through. A decision to make, I suppose…

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  134. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    The thought did occur to me, that if you opened commenting, someone could go wild linking bear videos from youtube.

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  135. Tarnished says:

    Oh noes…teh horror!
    😉 😀

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  136. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You might even consider retaliating with bird videos.
    More oh noes!

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  137. Cill says:

    Good night John Boy…
    Goddnight Maw
    Goddnight Paw
    (they do sound ursine, those country folk)

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  138. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It did take them all a while to say good night to each other. You must have gone through something similaqr yesterday, when you had the family over.

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  139. Tarnished says:

    Birds *and* rodents.
    They are both full of awesome, imo.
    Ive had over 50 companions in my life thusfar, and these two groups are my favorites by a landslide…rats especially.

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  140. Cill says:

    The Tui is the bird I relate to, or the Kea

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  141. Cill says:

    The voices came from the tents.
    ‘night Mum
    ‘night Dad
    ‘night Molly
    etc

    No, not really. I think they just kinda flaked.

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  142. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    Animals are cool. I had to babysit small parrots once. We watched “The Land Before Time” anmd they loved it.

    Cill,
    So your family didn’t do the Walton’s thing? Too anxious to snooze?

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  143. Cill says:

    “Too anxious to snooze?”
    Too happy not to.

    I had a pet rat, a wild one. It joined me from time to time outside. Also a wild cat that stayed wild. Animals are the only thing that made me wonder about reincarnation. Animals, and listening to the digereedoo

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  144. Tarnished says:

    Lol, when I share a room with my friends at conventions, there’s usually at least 5 of us. Over the years, we’ve worked out that I’ll say “goodnight, everyone” and the guys will then just say “goodnight” with the understanding that it’s addressed to all.

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  145. Cill says:

    I like it best out in the wild lying on my back under the stars. Because we are so far from the nearest beer, we swap stories as to which is the best beer and the best pub (bar) to drink it in. We’ve worked it out that we all drop off to sleep at the same time, because none of us can remember being the last one awake. It’s awesome when the sky is so clear you can see the 3-D depth of space between the stars. They can look close enough to touch. The night sky was the TV screen of the ancients.

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  146. Tarnished says:

    My budgies and cockatiel (birds that Cill should be passingly familiar with) enjoy watching tv, too. I have a small tree on a stand that I keep on my coffee table. When they hear the television turn on, the 3 of them will fly onto it from the bedroom to sit and watch with me. The piggy is litter trained, so he has an “open cage policy” and he’ll just follow me around all day. It’s so funny to watch him run around in his long hair “dress”.

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  147. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    When you mentioned stars, it did make me think of this.

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  148. Cill says:

    Yes tarn, I’ve seen parakeets etc by the thousand in Australia outside. I love them, they are such characters. The most amusing, I think, is the Galah. Even though they are wild birds, they deliberately make people laugh. They are keen judges of character, and will pretend to be drunk men, staggering and lurching and belching, and finally falling on their backs with their feet in the air. They will then pretend to be in a drunken stupor, but their shrewd eyes will be watching us when they think we’re not looking. Man they are funny, and they love our laughter.

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  149. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    Your animals must be very bright to be allowed such liberty.
    As far as higher orders go, I don’t believe that I’ve ever seen dogs take interest in TV but, my Dad’s cat was fascinated by Olympic horse trials, lots of jumping.

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  150. Cill says:

    Fuzzy I can relate to those George lines!

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  151. Cill says:

    George Eliot I mean.

    The dog and the horse are my all-time favorite animals. The dog can communicate without making a sound, and the horse can smile without changing his expression. The dog and I sit outside sometimes at nights under the stars. Sometimes I wish I smoked, perhaps a cigar. It seems to be a part of my feelings during those moments. The dog is content to be close by, the horse snort snorts by the fence, letting me know he’s there too. The bonds are close. Basically we sit still and silent in nature and the company of each other. Although we can’t see him we sense the horse’s quiet contentment as well.

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  152. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    Does the horse have a companion?
    I am certain that your your horse is glad for the company.

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  153. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night everyone!
    Thanks Tarn for the advice.

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  154. Cill says:

    The horse always has human company close by, me or caretakers or family. Apart from that, he has only the dog and sheep and cattle.

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  155. Tarnished says:

    I don’t know if my little friends are “especially” bright…some of them, particularily my rats and raccoons, have been but I have simply found that if you treat them in accordance with their level of intelligence, you will often be rewarded with superior results.

    Interestingly, the same works with young children…I can still remember how insulting adults seemed when I was very young, always ove-explaining things, not acknowledging my opinions, and talking down constantly. Thus, I don’t treat kids that way, more like inexperienced adults. The majority of them like the fact I take them seriously, and I think my animal companions react in a similar way.

    Re: nighttime
    I truly enjoy taking walks at night. The air is different, it’s quieter in some ways and yet you can hear so many of the subtleties of the trees and nocturnal wildlife. It is a very special time of the “day”…also, bright light hurts my eyes, so I can see better during twilight anyway.

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  156. Cill says:

    Kids love me too, probably because I love them. The like to horse around with me and watch me working.

    Nighttime has a magic quality. The pre-European Southern Alps had no bees and many native flowers relied on nocturnal moths for pollination. The flowers are white to catch the moon and starlight, and the nighttime scent is for the moths. It’s an exquisitely clean and delicate scent. Unique.

    The native alpine daisy is the world’s largest.

    The nights at my home here are magic too. Sea out front, native forest out back, and Stars above. It’s different in New York. You have the attractions of the city at night. It can be exciting and stimulating for a visitor, but I guess it’s old hat to you?

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  157. Tarnished says:

    That is so cool about the moths!

    Actually, even though I’ve lived in New York all my life, I’ve only visited NYC about a dozen times. It’s quite a sight and has many unique and interesting things to see, but it is also very busy and bright and loud.

    Like you said, nice to visit…but I’d never want to live there. Leave me to my semi-rural neighborhoods, lol.

    Have a good night, all. Im putting my little ones to bed now.

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  158. Cill says:

    Good night to you tarn. And I too am closing down.

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  159. Cill says:

    blurkel asked for answers to captain’s question “how much energy men put into chasing women at various ages”:
    None.

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  160. Tarnished says:

    My lover didn’t put any effort into chasing me either. We were already very good friends at that point and we kinda just…fell together. I do not like the concept of being “chased”. It assumes I have more value that needs to be caught/earned, when really I think a lot of people have similar or higher value.

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  161. Cill says:

    Agreed! I see blokes chasing women who don’t want to be chased e.g. my youngest sister. I even had a friendly chat with one of them, explaining it was a waste of time. He took no notice at all. I feel sorry for them. Even though my sister deals with them kindly, they seem driven by forces beyond their control.

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  162. Cill says:

    The urge to chase is so much a big part of their life, and no part of mine. This intrigues me.
    It means my experience of what it is to be a man is quite different from theirs. I think blurkel said somewhere up this page, men can spend 25% of their time in chasing. Also, I would think that they must in addition spend a lot of time thinking about it. This adds up to me having a big saving over them, a big advantage in time available for other things. But it’s the mental side of it that interests me most, the different experiences of being a man.

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  163. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    When it comes to “chasing”, I don’t know what works. If you believe in monogamy, you never do get to become an expert. You either find someone or flounder.

    Cill,
    Having the the cattle and sheep in proximity may tip the balnace. Horses need company, they’re herd animals.

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  164. Farm Boy says:

    The sun never sets on the comment section of thus blog.

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  165. Cill says:

    I reckon he thinks I’m a horse

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  166. Spawny Get says:

    “I reckon he thinks I’m a horse”

    Neigh! perhaps a bit of an ass?

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  167. Spawny Get says:

    @Fuzzie, I’ve heard that keeping horses and sheep together isn’t a great idea. The horses bite the sheep.

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  168. Farm Boy says:

    I never really chased much, as I saw few women of such quality as to chase.

    Chasing always seemed like a silly game just to feed women’s egos.

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  169. Cill says:

    Like the British Empire.

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  170. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill,
    He must think that you are a very odd horse that walks on two legs, won’t eat grass, and brings him food.

    Farm Boy,
    Correct, the sun never sets on this blog. It is curious that such a small blog has a world wide following.

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  171. Spawny Get says:

    I blame Tarn, Farm boy. I met Cill there. She’s ebul.

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  172. Cill says:

    I’m horse-like in only one department and it’s ahhhh… between my ears.

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  173. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Speaking of ebul, anyone heard from Liz?
    Ex-J4G commenter jf12 is alive and well and commenting over at Rollo’s.

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  174. Cill says:

    she is alive and well at sfcton

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  175. Spawny Get says:

    Liz popped up on JFG recently, the blog isn’t posting much (I guess that they’re formulating plans), but the atmosphere is perfectly civil. I saw JF12 on Rollo’s blog as well. Should have mentioned it – thanks for doing it.

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  176. Spawny Get says:

    I forgot Ton’s place comments for Liz. She tells him it’s fun being a woman and sticks her tongue out. Cool.

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  177. Cill says:

    soccer chasing is for boys. Rugby is for men.

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  178. Cill says:

    Padawan would go down well with this newfangled italics and bold and delete. Where is he? He’ll be asleep, it’s 4:50 am here.

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  179. Farm Boy says:

    Ex-J4G commenter jf12 is alive and well and commenting over at Rollo’s.

    At Dalrock’s also.

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  180. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    You did express an interest in Lena Dunham’s recent news.
    Here is Toy Soldier chiming in.
    http://toysoldier.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/lena-dunhams-rage-spiral/

    It’s good to know that Jf12 is ok. He just disappeared one day off J4G.

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  181. Spawny Get says:

    Gotta say that Francis Roy (came across him at tarn’s yesterday) has a great blog. Much thoughtful content

    http://francisdroy.wordpress.com/

    (also filed under interesting in the link list)

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  182. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yohami is a PUA/Game adherant but, this post of his does outline how different perspectives from men and women are percieved. There’s a lot here that also promotes MGTOW. From what I read into it, the guy’s attutdes are within reason, the gas’, not so much. We can work on our own attitudes but, it’s very difficult to modify someone else’s.
    http://yohami.com/blog/2014/11/02/feminist-equality-sexual-assertiveness-is-great/

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  183. Spawny Get says:

    Hmmm Fuzzie, may have to change his name to ‘Based Yohami’. Good link. I think that he nailed it. All of the female ‘double standards’ that they’re fine with.

    I may need to re-address the subject of links. Make a page of links that is sticky (remains on the front page) I already have so many links that it hurts mobile devices, but am still missing some.

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  184. Spawny Get says:

    Good for a smile

    Inktober 2014

    A daily ink drawing of Reddit’s movie title typos.

    http://imgur.com/a/f2wSg

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  185. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Sphere news has been a little thin. Do you think that it may have something to do with off year elections happening in the US tomorrow? If so, could the femots be laying low to not upset their apple cart?

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  186. Spawny Get says:

    I haven’t really watched US politics TBH. Although there seem to be huge parallels

    Useless leadership
    No diversity in available politicians (all the UK parties are the same (except UKIP*), both yours are the same (afaics))
    Political class completely disconnected from voters
    MSM completely disconnected too (Breitbart-London is good, don’t know about Breitbart

    Our political systems seem close to broken…just an opinion

    (*again, I am not an uncritical observer of UKIP, but they are the only ones addressing the problems of us proles)

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  187. Spawny Get says:

    hopefully you’re right that the fembots are laying low, I hope they never raise their heads again. they are misandric.

    Did you see this? Victor Zen heckled by his Mum ( 😉 well, sort of)

    http://www.avoiceformen.com/education/a-jerry-springer-moment-at-male-students-in-peril/

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  188. Farm Boy says:

    In #15 of the movies, I get a new hoe. I am young and inexperienced, but it sorta works out. In the next movie I meet up with Yoda who explains the best way of applying the Force.

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  189. Cill says:

    “could the femots be laying low to not upset their apple cart?” It would just like them to do that. Lay low, like the lowlife they are.

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  190. Yoda says:

    Force knowledge Farm Boy wants.
    Patience he must have.
    Deal with Mr. and Mrs. Sith I must.
    Padawan useful he might be.

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  191. Yoda says:

    “Oh Bother Where Art Thou” fine movie it is.
    Fuzzie Bear’s cousin searches for honey.
    Shares it with Fuzzie.

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  192. Padawan says:

    When dealing with crap and connubial strife
    There’s only one way to go
    Fearlessly rid the white knights from her life
    With a mighty measured blow.

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  193. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda gave me movie recommendation? Must watch!

    Farm Boy,
    Perhaps your lady from movie #15 can learn about sandwich making from Mrs. Yoda?

    Spawny Get,
    Victor Zen’s Mom heckled Paul Elam. I’ll bet there of an age. I do have to admire the way Paul handled it, with tact. She got real quiet when her son took the microphone.

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  194. Spawny Get says:

    Boy done well.

    I’m wandering off for a while…have fun. O bother where art thou is on t’telly.

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  195. Yoda says:

    Lindy West, writing for the Daily Dot, accuses Ms Oates of racism – but says her reaction is the predictable result of the way the harassment video is constructed.

    “By placing such manipulative, specific, politicised constraints on the issue of street harassment – that is, the subject is a ‘nice’ white or white-passing lady wearing the ‘right’ clothes, and the catcallers depicted as almost exclusively men of colour – it allows the bulk of the audience to divorce themselves from the problem,” she writes.

    Lindy West catcalled she would be?
    Catcalled she would want?
    Hmmm?

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  196. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Considering how the BBC caters to feminism, that hey have all but condemned this video as racist, has gone a long way to fully discreiting it.

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  197. Spawny Get says:

    And there’s more
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/tiffany-jenkins-why-i-ve-binned-my-feminist-card-1-3590730#

    “But no longer will I use the f-word to describe myself. It’s not obvious to me that feminist thinking today is progressive. In fact, most feminist campaigns – especially those that are successful – are illiberal, censorious and divisive. Their end result is regulation, and many promote the idea than men and women are different, irreconcilable, and that the female needs special care and protection – ideas about the so-called weaker sex that groundbreaking writers and campaigners such as Mary Wollstonecraft started to challenge in the 18th century.”

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  198. Spawny Get says:

    Yes, Fuzzie, the beeb…Bwahahaha

    Though I note an attempt to pin it on the guy.

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  199. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    It does seem as if more and more are distancing themselves from femonism. Not very long ago, it was politically mandatory to declare yourself as one.
    Could feminism die because it went out of fashion?

    Cill has some thoughts. I wish he would share what he sees in his crystal ball.

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  200. Spawny Get says:

    New project by Roosh looking for testers…sign up now, or miss your chance
    http://www.rooshv.com/new-project

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  201. Spawny Get says:

    Don’t know for sure Fuzzie. I wonder if you darn youngster males are seeing feminism as your enemy (correctly) and females have started noticing the males not playing so much? I know red pillers aren’t the top 20%, but they are going to be the more male minded, I reckon. Perhaps the pickings among settling down, but masculine types, are thinning out?

    Is this recognition of ‘where did all the good men go’ as being an actual problem for the demographic that counts – women wanting to settle down and harness a pack mule, obviously not talking about men!

    Perhaps that pitiful crap HeForShe really was a sign of feminists needing to replace the women going awol?

    Great times.

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  202. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    I don’t think that anyone knows what is happening in the SMP/MMP other than the people in it and they only know what they see. For the rest, we hae to guess.
    I think it is becoming difficult for women to find men to team up with when they’re ready. They all seem to do it at once and they’re putting it off until the last minute. By that time, a lot of guys might have found out that it’s easier to find one for play than a relationship.
    It’s not healthy and women are waking up to it. If they’ll howl, I think we’ll hear it very soon as the holidays come around.

    To give one example of one who can’t connect, consider Bloom. She’s good looking, self supporting, and down to commit. It’ss now a tough market.

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  203. Spawny Get says:

    I agree, Fuzzie. But with divorce rape, paternity issues and whoops pregnancies it’s been carnage for men for decades. Until the women are hurting too, nothing will change. I hope it works out for Bloom, she appears to have better odds than many in that boat. But Dalrock (Han & Nem) showed the stats for first marriage post 35 for women was down near zero. And the stats always trail reality. It’s all down to who is doing the striking over marriage…

    Getting late here BTW.

    The Roosh thing looks like he’s branching out. Could be interesting if he’s moving into mgtow as well. He’s a better fit than avfm imho. Speaking of which, I’m looking forward to the conference videos. I will be watching.

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  204. blurkel says:

    @Cill

    Just to keep the attribution straight, the 25% figure was cited by the Captain’s question. I merely repeated it for the purpose of identifying what I was responding to.

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  205. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    By the time that you read this, Paul Elam will have completed this week’s episode of Intelligence Report. It will be on his youtube channel. I think it will cover the KSU conference.

    I think that you’re right. Before change will occur in the market, women will have to be seen as hurting. While men have suffered for decades. We’re close.

    Have a good night, if you don’t come back.
    From now on, I’ll consider midnight your witching hour. For me, it’s the same unless something unusual is happening.

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  206. Yoda says:

    Could feminism die because it went out of fashion?

    Wuth poster women Lindy and Lena happen it will not.

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  207. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    I don’t think that Lindy and Lena are lending much fashion to feminism.
    I just had a horrible thought. Assign those two to Mrs. Yoda’s sandwich making class. Hilarity ensues!

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  208. blurkel says:

    And yet there are guys who see such conditions as a challenge which must be met and mastered. To fail is to diminish one’s standing (probably mostly as one’s ego and self-image are concerned).

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  209. Yoda says:

    Bite size sammiches from human perspective Mrs. Yoda creates.
    In her V Lena lose one she could.
    Faster than she could they would eat.

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  210. Yoda says:

    Is this recognition of ‘where did all the good men go’ as being an actual problem for the demographic that counts – women wanting to settle down and harness a pack mule, obviously not talking about men!

    So what is a “good man”?

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  211. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    “So what is a ‘good man’?”
    To be honest, women get to decide this. There’s only one problem, they are being less that honest about what they truly want. It does make things very confusing for men. In the oold days, the elders of both families consulted. Things were less frivilous and more serious.
    While attraction can’t be negotiated, choice addiction has made a mockery of the whole process.

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  212. Yoda says:

    To give one example of one who can’t connect, consider Bloom. She’s good looking, selfsupporting, and down to commit.

    Bear good fit it would be.

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  213. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Yoda,
    She will probably read this and, if she does, it’s not meant to hurt. It would be move into her house, be a stepdad to her daughters, and help with her business. In the parlance of Game, it would be stepping into her frame. I would always be the junior partner. That is a lot to yield from the get go.

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  214. Tarnished says:

    Q:What is a good man?

    A: A good man is the same as a good woman. I personally make no distinctions based on chromosomes or genitals. A good person is one who understands and tries their hardest to be loyal, patient, kind, loving, tolerant, generous, has a decent work-ethic, respects themselves and others, can admit their faults with dignity and accepts that they can better themselves, and is neighborly to those who require assistence.

    These are the traits I attempt to cultivate in myself, and what I admire/value in others. Anything else, especially material items, is just gravy.

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  215. Yoda says:

    Gamble it may be worth.

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  216. Yoda says:

    Tarnished from planet Earth she is not.

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  217. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    If it were all about character, then the virtuous would have an advantage. That is not what I am seeing.
    Human behavior is so confusing to bears. It wouldn’t surprise me if humans are confused too.
    In all seriousness, what you have described are traits that corelate to desirabilty. This comes in to play after initaial attraction.

    Yoda,
    There was a gal in Canada, some 1900 miles away from me, who I got very close to over the phone. My fear was that I would get all the way there and she wouldn’t feel “chemistry”.
    Turn around and go back.
    We never met. I don’t think that she took this business as seriously as I do.
    By the way, if it did go down, I would be moving there and stepping into her frame.

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  218. Tarnished says:

    Well, if anyone would recognize a fellow extraterrestrial…

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  219. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie,
    To me the concepts of desirability and initial attraction are very nearly the same, except that my attraction to someone relies very heavily on their scent.

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  220. Tarnished says:

    Also…”frame”? Isn’t that a pua term?

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  221. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    I’ve heard that about girls. Scent is a powerful factor. Theories abound.
    “Frame” is Game terminology. Game Theory explains a lot but i am not taking it as Gospel.
    Beware, Yoda may be workijng at Mrs. Yoda’s request to recruit you for the Jedi Auxillary.

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  222. @ fuzzie please don’t worry you would hurt my feelings by saying all that. I completely understand your thoughts there and did when you voiced them to me months ago via email. I know you mean no harm and I respect your feelings and thoughts. Peace! I hope you know I only wish you the utmost happiness!

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  223. Also, not to sound new age or anything, but I trust what is meant to be will be and so I just go about my days knowing all will be ok for me, and everyone, however it all works out. Single, married, gtow, etc. bloom where you are planted! 🙂 I don’t feel the need for any particular outcome, I am happy, I have a full life, I am healthy, my kids are healthy, whatever my fate will be I am ok with it. Life is a journey.

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  224. Spawny Get says:

    I think ‘frame’ is in more general use than just the PUAs. Is it from NLP? It’s used on politics, isn’t it? I believe that it’s a valid concept that I see the effects of in the world.

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  225. Spawny Get says:

    Bloom has a great attitude there. A man, a MGTOW, would probably want to add some proactive to the mix. But a red pill woman looking for a masculine male to complement her?…that looks like a damn fine attitude. Her overdoing the proactivity would be prone to being misread any number of ways (bossy, pushy, desperate etc). It’s tricky to be a woman as well. If she’s going to honour the deal she’s offering (that’s the gamble for the guy and for her) then I’m sure there are guys who would take it. Including some red pill guys.

    As far as I’m concerned, there is no one true path. Take the red pill, understand the choices that you make, then do what the hell you want. Being a good man is honouring your side of the deal as long as the deal is intact. If others understand that, then the chances are better that they honour the deal too. Because they know that

    “When the deal goes down, if the milk turns out to be sour, you aren’t the kind of pussy to drink it”
    (h/t the great philosopher Rory Breaker – quote is, it seems, approximate)

    Best of luck to all.

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  226. Spawny Get says:

    BTW Bloom, please correct me if I’m wrong, because all should understand what you’re about.

    If you find the man that you want, you’re going to accept his frame? Your frame to the kids is, ‘ he leads, he gets the last word’? Till (natural) death do you part? The traditional wife in marriage?

    Frame doesn’t have to be fought for, it can be yielded.

    Kind of a high stakes game there, but the potential rewards are high too. I hope you can honour the deal, I hope you find the right guy that knowingly takes that deal (because he wants to), good luck.

    (No offence intended, but I need to say it) The negatives are on display, the trouble is selling the positives in a world where the value of a woman’s word in such matters is not highly valued by a red piller. At least your material assets show that you are bringing stuff to the table…that does add credibility, though it probably means that the guy needs to be stronger too. Tricky being a woman, too.

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  227. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Redpillgirlnotes,
    You know that I am fond of you and admire you. I should have just kept my big mouth shut in the face of being baited.

    There is a larger issue going on here beyond the personal. I have had offers but, they involved folding myself into the woman’s life rather than the other way round. This would put the guy at a disadvantage from the start.

    Not taht you would take advantage but, if the potential is there, someone else would.

    This may be a good topic for discussion if it’s kept general.

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  228. Tarnished says:

    Maybe this is an area where I actually am naive, but I’m having trouble with this concept of “frame” and “folding” in reference to relationship between two consenting adults. As in, I know it happens…but does it *have* to? It’s just that everyone is talking like it’s a forgone conclusion, and this confuses me.

    If one of the partners believes they will be at a disadvantage due to the other’s “frame” (superior knowledge of relationships? ability to manipulate? way of life?), then can’t this topic be brought up to prevent such a thing from happening? In my own experience, my lover and I are very open with how we feel at any given time…even me, though I don’t show rougher emotions I do feel them and can articulate them. I think this is why in all our years together, we’ve only had 1 fight and were fine again 4 hours later.

    If I had to conceptualize my relationship, it would look like a strand of DNA…a double helix. Two separate lifelines that gently curve as they follow each other, with numerous lines of connectivity dispersed with time for ourselves.

    Sorry if any of this is too off topic.

    Can that even happen here…?

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  229. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Fuzzie,
    was there any baiting?
    a) I thought it was cool that you recognised the issue of frame. I was just adding that frame can be yielded, it doesn’t always have to be a battle.
    b) I thought it was cool that you had exchanged emails with Bloom (I have absolutely no idea of your circumstances, nor Bloom’s in detail, but there seemed to be a connection. I’m glad that you both explored possibilities. Only YOU make your decisions after all.)

    You’re right that my comments might have looked a little specific, BUT I have only vague sketches of ‘both of the involved parties’.

    Peace man, I thought your actions were fine. Neither did I see anybody being disrespectful. My close to the bone comment I preceded with a statement that I meant no offence. If Bloom disagrees, I will edit it out. Not because she’s a woman, but because I do think I pushed a point more than I normally would. But at the end of the day, I think what I said was reasonable.

    I do want plain discussion, but it’s a tenuous line at times between that and rudeness.

    To send me a message privately, either use the contact form, or make a comment with a new made up name (that should lead to it being trapped as pending – for me to read)

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  230. Spawny Get says:

    “Sorry if any of this is too off topic… Can that even happen here…?”
    nicely done!

    I don’t think that frames need to be antagonistic. As you are pretty egalitarian (to put it mildly) and are unlikely to settle for some guy being the patriarch over you (stop me if I go wrong, but I don’t think that I am wrong here 😉 ).

    All you’d do in a situation of antagonistic frames is…walk away. As I have done before. I won’t bend on matters of absolute principle. I believe anybody who deals with me has the same right. I see you as pretty similar to me in that regard TBH.

    I don’t demand that the other party in the deal takes what I see as less, but I allow them to decide for themselves that in their own eyes they are not taking less. Ideally we both win in our own terms. I don’t need to understand why the other deals with me. I accept that they get to define their interests in the deal.

    TBH I don’t really understand the (female / feminine) personality that wants to be lead by a man, all I know is that I wouldn’t have a hard time being the leader to such a woman. In theory I would be absolutely fine with a female partner as equal, but i don’t think I’m prone to finding such women attractive as mates. While I don’t have a problem with equality, I’m looking for a complement to me, because goddamn it, a female version of me…yikes.

    I suffer from Adam’s curse, if there is such a thing, I am a male, rational, logical type who is attracted to female, feminine, emotional types. And thus I find myself divorced.

    If I remember your MBTI doodah and your FWB’s…might it be said that there’s a similar dynamic there? Honest question, I don’t know. I don’t remember you saying how and why you got together. Given your past experiences, frankly I was just happy to hear that you had. From what you’ve said he has helped you work through things immensely (not from charity, I hasten to add)

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  231. Spawny Get says:

    What I meant about yielding frame was something very roughly like…

    Person XX is currently Lady of the manor with her brood. She is in charge. That is her frame with the XXlettes ‘I am the boss’.

    If person XY arrives and XX and XY get along famously then…XX may, only if she so desires, change her frame with the XXlettes to ‘I am in charge of you, but I recognise XY as my worthy leader in life. I recognise his wisdom. If he has an opinion that differs from mine then I will go along with him. XY is a man worth your love and obedience because he will repay that trust’.

    If that’s what she wants and as long as she can find a he that measures up…all voluntary.

    Does that work as an explanation, Tarn?

    If XX and XY decide that their mutual frame is of equality and trust…that’s cool too. But you wanted me to describe yielding (or as you put it folding – I think that that’s too strong a word, but okay).

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  232. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    You didn’t step on my toes. It was Yoda who put me on this path by suggesting that I pursue.

    About frame, trying to fit inro the wife’s house and life does leave the man beholden to her. In essence, he is in submission. Not healthy for the relationship.

    Tarnished,
    It could well be that you have never contemplated these details. You and your SO do keep seperate places, no?

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  233. Padawan says:

    “Padawan’s Jobs for Retired FAFIFFs (Fems After Feminism Is Finally Fucked Fluffy Ducked)”

    Jobs for redundant Fems and Shrikes
    Is still the big question that lingers
    I’d use ’em as plugs in leaking Dykes,
    Instead of them using their fingers.

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  234. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie,
    I don’t think that you were wrong to investigate possibilities. Quite the masculine thing to do. Not saying whether your conclusion was right or wrong…I don’t have a scooby*

    The frame is what you both decide to make it. And what the kids believe. Does anybody else count?

    (*this is what happens when I watch a clip from Lock, Stock. Scooby Doo -> Clue).

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  235. Tarnished says:

    @Spawny
    Thank you, thank you. I’ll be here all night…remember to pick your waitress back up after you tip her. 😉

    Yeah, I don’t understand the desire to be led, but if that’s what other people are into…good for them on acknowledging it. Same as I think it’s good that you acknowledge your desire for a complementary relationship.

    I used the term “folding” because that is what someone else here (Fuzzie?) used. I’m still new to some of this topic…frankly, I am extremely wary of words that are also used in pua blogs. I’ve found more than one instance where the examples were incredibly close to the attempts at gaslighting and manipulation my father figures tried to do to me. Luckily, I saw these patterns and began keeping a journal so I could go back and know I wasn’t misremembering conversations or occurrences. I do not believe for one minute that anyone here would do such things, but I wanted to explain my initial reaction. Sorry if I came off as brash or condescending. 😦

    @Fuzzie
    Nope, we don’t live together. I need my space, lol. Haven’t lived with anyone for quite some years now…it would probably feel odd. My home is my sanctuary from the craziness of the world and other humans. If I had to share it with someone every day? Probably wouldn’t work out.

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  236. Spawny Get says:

    “Sorry if I came off as brash or condescending. :(”
    No, not at all. It was more that I meant less than that word, I was flagging that up, not that you were exaggerating.

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  237. Yoda says:

    Frame doesn’t have to be fought for, it can be yielded.

    Strong independent women stubborn they are.
    Jedi more adaptable they are.
    Go into exile I did.
    SIW would do that not.

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  238. Padawan says:

    Padawan will issues of Frame explain
    And always with wisdom sublime
    As long as the questions are framed in a way
    That lets them be answered in rhyme

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  239. Tarnished says:

    Spawny,
    You explained it very well. It’s a matter of me fitting it into my mindset, having never seen such a relationship irl. It is one thing to cognitively accept that X exists, another to try and match it up with what you “know” from your own life.

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  240. Spawny Get says:

    Regarding frame control.

    N.B. I’m not American, I don’t know the guy. But what he says is interesting. He talks about frame in a political debate.

    Ben Shapiro shares some tips on dealing with a Liberal.

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  241. Padawan says:

    Let’s all talk about jobs for fems
    That’s really the bigger picture
    Let’s put ’em in stocks to give those hens
    Their frame for a miserable future.

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  242. Tarnished says:

    Yoda,
    I’ve found that women who insist the loudest that they are “strong and independent” are using words that don’t mean what they think they mean.

    Inconceivable, I know…

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  243. Padawan says:

    Padawan’s building a frame for fems
    Out of concrete to make it comfy
    Their plots will drop like the eggs of hens
    Pip-plopping like humpty dumpty.

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  244. Padawan says:

    Padawan now must take his leave,
    Leaving you people alone,
    Heed his words and give fems the heave,
    Farewell from me in Godzone!

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  245. Yoda says:

    Rhyming a Jedi skill not.
    On your own you are

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  246. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Men have to be defensive in outlook with respect to relationships. Balrock’s primary advice is that she should be head over heels about the guy.
    If I were considering a live in situation, having her in my house would be better than thw other way around because of the presumed dominance.
    Dominance is not a bad thing if it is applied judiciously.

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  247. Spawny Get says:

    I prefer ‘leadership’ to ‘dominance’ as the aim. Following being optional, being dominated might not be. My idea of a patriarch of a family leads because he has his stuff together.

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  248. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You may be shying away from connotations. The way I first heard about was with the Captain and First Officer model.

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  249. Spawny Get says:

    Should have remembered Captain / First Officer. Nice one Fuzzie.

    Don’t the best Captains inspire their First Officers?

    Captain Bligh (Mutiny on the Bounty) isn’t a great role model. Despite being one hell of a seaman.

    Shackleton is a legend despite failing in his original mission. His men trusted him, loved him, followed him.

    I’d rather be Shackleton than Bligh.

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  250. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Bligh was Captain Cook’s Pilot, navigator in modern parlance. Fronm what I’ve been told, it’s his lenience that gor him into trouble on the Bounty and, again, as Govenor in Australia.

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  251. Tarnished says:

    The problem I see with the C/FO model is that the captain always goes down with the ship. In other words, it (may!) create a dynamic wehere the man has to take fll responsibility for everything, whether good or bad.

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  252. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished,
    From what i have read, especially in the Christain manosphere, elegartarian marriage devolves into feminine dominance in this culture.
    FemDom scares me because it doesn’t have a reputation for being judicious.

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  253. blurkel says:

    Going down with the ship is a custom and not a law. But that said, I bet the captain of the Costa Concordia wishes he went down with the ship! I bet his domestic First Officer does as well!

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  254. Moehau Man says:

    Yes well there are some things we Moehau Mans know about you foreign blokes that you don’t even seem to know yourselves. As an example, Shackleton was the greatest of the southern explorers. An impressive bloke, that fella.

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  255. Cill says:

    “Tarnished from planet Earth she is not”
    She is from the planet of the alien Pick

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  256. Tarnished says:

    Oh, I know it’s not a real thing, Blurkel.
    But in that scenario, it is the adult thing to do.

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