Hat Tip to Fuzzie – MRA becomes female supporting MGTOW

Fuzzie just mentioned a new row in the manosphere. It actually predates the latest latest one, I just failed to spot it. It might be that I should have caught it from a throw away line by Paul Elam saying (something like) ‘there are apparently some people saying that you can’t be married and an MGTOW…oh really’ in one of the most recent shows on his channel that I enjoyed watching. I wish I could remember which show it was on (anyone else catch it? towards the end of a recent show).

I have not seen Paul’s take on the issue, but I am keen to do so. Because the issue of married MGTOWs isn’t something that deeply worries me, but it is an interesting question. Unless you’re under very specific legal regime about cohabitation and/or marriage (Code Napolean?) without kids, I find it a stretch to be able to claim to be going your own way oblivious to the legal implications of your living arrangements. It’s not that I mind you using the label, but I wonder if the label actually means anything under those situations(?)

I am a big fan of AVFM and have been linking to the site in comments all over the place since its creation. AVFM does waaaaay more good than my small reservations question (uplink the damn videos! all of them! immediately!). Don’t even bother trying to drive a wedge in, there’s no gap. My goals are highly compatible with AVFM’s (luckily for me. they’re getting stuff done IRL).

I’ve only managed to get part way through Diana’s side. So I’m not drawing conclusions, just saying that she’s making a comment about the MRM that should be considered. In an echo of the latest latest issue, is traditionalism really compatible with Men’s Rights?

The echo may not be direct, but to my mind traditionalism is very heavily wrapped up in the attitude that men shouldn’t worry about reality, just go with what is claimed to have worked 50+ years ago. It continued to work in pockets and demographics after that…but can hardly be said to be a good bet nowadays (IMVHO).

I thought that such battles against these buffoons expecting men to just leap on the offer of being lead ended 3+ years ago. Before then it was a regular occurrence that a paleo-con (someone living way in the mythical patriarchal past, long before present realities) would wander into a manosphere site and see the commenters as an army just waiting for a glorious leader (such as himself) to happen along. ‘King A’ / ‘Matt King’ was the latest example of that that I remember. He claimed to be looking to recruit a small number of men for his crusade on Dalrock’s blog. He succeeded beyond his wildest dreams; he recruited none. He was then kicked off of Dalrock’s blog! If you knew what a decent guy Dalrock is, you’d share my surprise. ‘King’ was then seen being lampooned in the comments on Roissy / Chateau / Heartiste. I’m still wondering if he’s back on JFG…under a new name, looking for a new following for a glorious crusade to misery under the wheels of current social realities (aka ‘under the wheels of the bus’).

What do you reckon of the Diana vs Judgy? I won’t finish the videos till tomorrow, but I think that whatever they say, the underlying issue is valid. Whether the individuals involved are accurately described or not.

Can you be a traditionalist MRA, or is that always going to involve men going under the bus (sacrificing / being sacrificed for society (women) in general)? If traditionalists conquer the MRM does one have to become an MGTOW? Until enough MGTOWs have common cause regarding legal issues that they wish to campaign against…causing the rebirth on an MRM. MRM redux, perhaps.

Posted in Gynocentrism, Marriage, MGTOW, Video
210 comments on “Hat Tip to Fuzzie – MRA becomes female supporting MGTOW
  1. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    First, thanks for the recognition. Second, there may be something deeper at work here than just a rivalry between Dina and Janet. There seems to have been a falling out between Paul Elam and John the Other,. Over what, who can tell? While Janet is Paul’s fair haired girl. Diana and John have allied romantically, I think.
    There could be deeper ramifacations to this.
    Inh the meanwhile, Judgybitch is traditional in her beliefs and attitudes. She is a wife and mother, and happy being that. She can take in information and understand it. In her videos,twice I have heard her sstrongly advise women to be grateful for the risk their men have taken and be grateful.


  2. Tarnished says:

    “It’s not that I mind you using the label, but I wonder if the label actually means anything under those situations.”

    It’s like someone calling themselves a Wiccan, but they don’t do any rituals or believe in any of the Gods. It is as though they want the label and what it invokes in people, but don’t really want to do what the label typically suggests. I did used to consider it possible for MGTOWs to be married (since marriage might indeed be something he thinks is “his own way”), but the more I thought about it the more I realized the current political/legal climate will never let a married man be anything even remotely equal to his wife.


  3. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    With all the discusssion over j$g, I was reminded of the Boko Haram post. Seeing this reminded me.


    Sadly, there will be no article about what the boys suffered at the hands of Boko Haram because they are not available for interview.

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  4. Spawny Get says:


    First point – I haven’t watched all of one side, let alone all of both sides.

    I must admit that Diana’s views of what men should do haven’t worried me at all – so far. John the Other is similarly someone I’ve seldom disagreed with. (we need a link to him)

    If you’re already married (as a man or woman), then I can’t see a problem with ‘she’ valuing ‘he’. Value team-my-man. Which might be JB’s point (haven’t yet read/watched her). If I were married, I’d like my woman to have some gratitude / recognition of the male role.

    If you’re not married as a man, well then marriage is not a great option (IMHO), so I’d go with DD.

    I only have to choose a side when JB starts recommending men to get married. I’m not aware that she has done that. Paul’s attitude is what I’d like to know…whenever he’s ready. I’m interested, not enervated.


  5. Tarnished says:

    Fuzzie’s comment brings up another issue I’ve thought about for a while: Can a female really call themselves a men’s rights/MGTOW supporter if they are marriage-minded? In essence, I’d say yes because people of any background can support an ideology. But in reality, I can only imagine how difficult it would be for a man to know if a non-WGTOW is actually on the same page or just talking the talk to snag a provider.

    Still not sure where I stand on this…


  6. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I think that there can be married MGTOWs. It is that they were married before they came to understanding.


  7. Spawny Get says:

    Cooking tea, will be watching that video – cheers.

    “First, thanks for the recognition”
    no problem, thanks for the catch. I hadn’t seen anything beyond a slightly cryptic passing comment.


  8. Spawny Get says:

    “It is that they were married before they came to understanding.”

    That I can see. But the name might be tweaked as:
    ‘Man wanting to go his own way’
    ‘Man who will go his own way if things don’t work out’
    ‘Mgtow when divorced’

    As I said, it’s not that I begrudge them the attitude of GTOW, I just think that the actual label ought to mean something. Even if it’s a very wide and woolly something. I don’t think that this should be a fight. I can’t be bothered to fight such a minor issue, I’m just saying 😉


  9. Spawny Get says:

    “But in reality, I can only imagine how difficult it would be for a man to know if a non-WGTOW is actually on the same page or just talking the talk to snag a provider.”

    How does one verify that one has found a unicorn?

    I don’t think that it can be guaranteed. The horn is only metaphorical.


  10. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I hadn’t a chance to read your comment at 6:46pm before posting mine at 6:47.
    To answer your question indirectly, I think what men want from women is honesty. Say what you mean, mean what you say. I think this can be said of you. It would be a very good thing if the application were more general.
    In this day and age, it’s enough for a woman to actually like men and accept them.


  11. Farm Boy says:

    apparently some people saying that you can’t be married and an MGTOW

    What if you are a guy married to another guy?

    Men Going Their Own Way.


  12. Farm Boy says:

    difficult it would be for a man to know if a non-WGTOW is actually on the same page or just talking the talk to snag a provider.

    A WGTOW marrying a provider. That seems common.


  13. Spawny Get says:

    “What if you are a guy married to another guy?”

    They say that nobody likes a smart-arse, but I find ’em funny…


  14. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It wouldn’t be all that awful if women did marry a provider. Isn’t taht the way it’s supposed to work? She devotes her excess energy to the home and kids. He brings home the wherewithal. That wouldn’t make her a WGTOW, that would make her an honest woman.Hopefully, the value of the team is more than the sum of its parts.
    No insult meant for Tarnished.


  15. Spawny Get says:

    Depends on what type of provider she’s after. Partner in life, for life. Or he’s the best I can get for now. Until a better meal ticket arrives, or maybe just a good divorce settlement…

    One is perfectly fair, the other not. The problem is divining in which pool your princess is from. Both pools probably still exist.

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  16. Tarnished says:

    No offense taken, Fuzzie. Just because I don’t have a desire for marriage/offspring doesn’t mean other men or women shouldn’t. I simply realize that as I enjoy working and wouldn’t be devoting time to raising children/keeping up a home, it makes absolutely no sense for me to go the marriage route…for either me or my lover. It’d be a power play on my part, nothing more.

    I’d agree that a man could become a MGTOW after a hetero marriage…still of the opinion you can’t really be a MGTOW *then* marry.

    There are some gay MGTOWs who comment on avfm every once in a while. I’d say they are definitely MGTOWs in spite of being wed because there’s no inherent inequality like there is in a hetero marriage.


  17. Spawny Get says:

    AndyBob is a favourite commenter of mine on AVFM.

    Big secret…he even gave me a great compliment once (another name, same identity).

    Top guy.


  18. Spawny Get says:

    Oh, and he happens to be gay.

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  19. Tarnished says:

    Farm Boy, how is this common? If someone identifies as a MGTOW or WGTOW, why would they get married?


  20. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    From a practical standpoint, marriage can be “at will” until there are children. Being a parent is forever. While I may be prejudiced, it’s mostly women who are trying to make marriage temporary after the arrival of children. That is making a mess of the meaning of commitment.


  21. Spawny Get says:

    Seems a fair summation Fuzzie. Feels >>> oaths, loyalty etc


  22. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    One of the interesting components Going Your Own Way is that there is no hierarchy, no “chain of command”. Sandman pointed this out in a video today. While there may be social opponents to it, it’s not criminal and it’s only antisocial in that it’s opposed to gynocentrism.


  23. Spawny Get says:

    Tarn’s difficulty in grouping the results of her mgtow survey confirms what you say. See her blog for the three parts of the results.


  24. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It”s telling how far feminism has overreached because men have reacted with something like MGTOW. Rather than submit to a social convention, they are beginning to think for themselves and act in their own interests without harming others.
    On the face of it, it appears unstopable.

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  25. Tarnished says:

    One could argue that GYOW isn’t antisocial at all, but especially for men.

    Think about it: The current Western culture is severely unempathetic toward plights that boys/men experience when compared to the response given the majority of girls/women issues. This can certainly be viewed as a socially accepted form of bullying on the male sex. Would any parent call a child who declines to play with a bully “antisocial”? No, they’d call them smart for avoiding potential confrontations. Same with MGTOWs.


  26. Cill says:

    Each to their own decision. I’ve decided MGTOW is the only smart way to go.

    Yes, it is unstoppable.

    Starve the beast.
    Be anonymous.
    No manifesto.
    No agenda.
    No leaders.
    Nothing to infiltrate and disrupt.


  27. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie, I can’t see how they can fight it. Shaming doesn’t work on them, shame is played out. No leadership required. Same as GamerGate…the SJWs have no ability to counter them. Nobody with any brains believes the media over this.


  28. Cill says:

    Heh! Looks like two of us had the same idea same time and I beat Spawny to the punch by a minute.


  29. Moehau Man says:

    Great news. The bloke’s wife rang to me say he came out of his coma yesterday morning and is making good progress. Made my day.

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  30. Tarnished says:

    Sounds good, Cill. A fair set of points.

    One thing that truly struck me in both reading various MGTOW forums and the answers given in my survey (in part 2) is the fact that so many say it wouldn’t matter if women changed for the better…they still wouldn’t wed. For example, 59% of my respondents said they are happy being single. There’s also been many MGTOWs who state that if they had a chance to marry a pretty young woman who loved having sex, worked out, cooked, cleaned, and was just a generally pleasant person and guaranteed unicorn, they would decline the opportunity.

    Is it possible that a decent number of MGTOWs would have become “eternal bachelors” anyway, even in a more male-friendly culture?


  31. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    They can’t fight it. Women can’t exist without the cooperation of men. How would they get their pickle jars opened?
    There is one drawback for men in this, we’ll get lonely. Women, normally, are sweet and cuddly.
    We do want that.I know because Bloom brings this out in me.

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  32. Cill says:


    It’s the way it was in NZ until WW1. “Eternal bachelors” in a male-friendly culture. After WW1 women outnumbered men for one year then it went back to men outnumbering women right up until the 1960s. I’ve spoken to my great grandfather and great uncles and they all say bachelors were a feature of the culture and were as happy as anyone else.

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  33. Cill says:

    I remember people of that generation talking about “gay bachelors”. (Gay had a different connotation to them). Permanent bachelors were not looked down on at all. They were an accepted fixture of society.


  34. Tarnished says:

    It’s interesting that you say this, Fuzzie, because this is how I react to my lover. I’m a fun person to be around IRL, despite my typical seriousness online (learned from interacting with hurt men) and I love making people laugh. But I am not a touchy-feely huggy type…I generally dislike prolonged physical contact from other humans.

    But when I’m with him, I can be cuddly for a while without feeling smothered.


  35. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    In the face of the fact that there weren’t enough women to go around, being a bachelor had to be socially accepted. In the case of 19th century western US, I think it was reolved through mail order brides or connections with home countries. The men would come over, set things up, and the women would follow somehow.

    There may be something we each need from the other and it’s spiritual rather than sexual. In one of her videos, Karen Straughan goes on about just having her sweetheart sit next to her while watching TV has a calming effect on her spirit.
    I can’t p[rove it but, I think we both need this from the other.


  36. Cill says:

    “just having her sweetheart sit next to her while watching TV has a calming effect on her spirit.” My dog has that effect on me. He’s a big rangy fellow who’s not very friendly to anyone else. Apart from his relationship with me, he might as well be a wild dog really. He’s a good mate. We don’t have much physical contact but he stays close to me most of the time.


  37. Spawny Get says:

    Crack open a large bottle of best vintage schadenfreude.

    Definitely worth a read 😉 might be worth a post if anyone wants to do it. Tarn and Moe can publish. I’m off to sleep.


  38. Cill says:

    See you tomorrow mate


  39. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night, Spawny!


  40. Cill says:

    everything personal can’t be political:

    “The left: always politicize; always escalate; always ridicule.” At least he’s honest enough to admit it.

    And he ends, inevitably:

    “I believe that we’re still a deeply, inherently sexist culture. (For example, you may have heard of #GamerGate.)” It’s an ideological absolute, after all.

    He is interested only in warning the cheaters against giving knowledge of the cheat to the cheated.


  41. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Erin Pizzey has stated that she always hated the slogan “the personal is the political”. May it haunt them.


  42. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Dalock has a new one up with insight to the origins of YesMeansYes.


    What I find hard to take is that feminists have such a all encompassing definition of rape. Other peoplple have said that it makes it meaningless. I didn’t fully realize it until now.


  43. Farm Boy says:

    It wouldn’t be all that awful if women did marry a provider

    If she is WGTOWing it, she is not operating with his interests in mind.


  44. Farm Boy says:

    Women, normally, are sweet and cuddly.

    Only if they are taught that way and it is nurtured.


  45. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I saw that AVfM linked this and wanted to do the same. Christina Hoff-Sommers is very much a dissident feminist.

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  46. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    Women, naturally, are sweet and cuddly.
    I’ll stand by that statement. I think the feminism and the current culture is trying to tear the heart out of women. It’s being beaten out of them.


  47. Tarnished says:


    I too experience a sense of connection and happiness simply from being near my lover. However, as Cill already pointed out, animal companions provide this as well…and we to them. When my guinea pig gets tired, he will lay himself across my feet if I’m sitting on the couch, making his tiny “piggy purrs” all the while. He does this despite the fact he is an incredibly spoiled rodent and not only has a open cage with soft hay/woodchips to lie on, but also a cat bed in the dining area and a fluffy blanket under the coffee table.

    The reasons for myself, Karen, and my piggy to find enjoyment out of being close to another is, I believe, threefold:

    1. Importance of Touch.
    Oxytocin is sometimes thought of as the body’s response to sex (the afterglow chemical), but it is produced during many other times in our lives. It is one of the strongest bonding chemicals our bodies can make…and one of the most required. It creates a sense of companionship, belonging, being cared for, and calmness. Without it, adults can be prone to depression, self-mutilation, suicide, anxiety, and a host of other psychological issues. In toddlers, lack of touch can severely impede brain and motor development, to the point where a normal child can act as though they have extreme Down’s Syndrome or cerebral palsey. In infants and most other animals, it can lead to all out death…a literal “failure to thrive” even when given adequate food, shelter, warmth, and medical care. Small, simple touches can literally save a life. It’s no surprise that being within a close proximity to a source of chemical love is a wonderful feeling.

    2. Pheromones.
    We all know that non-human animals have a better sense of smell than we do, but recent research has shown our noses may not be too shabby. Both sexes have been able to identify shirts worn by spouses simply by smelling them, and infants have been known to turn away from a milk-filled breast if it belongs to someone other than their mother/their initial provider. I for one absolutely adore my lover’s scent, and will often try to (discreetly) take deep breaths in his presence…I am so happy he wears no cologne to mask his natural scent. Karen most likely is doing the same, whether consciously or unconsciously, and it gives her a sense of peace.

    3. Bioelectricity.
    While at rest, an average human body will produce approximately 100 watts of electricity via natural cellular functions. An active person can create 300-400 watts, and a bit more if they are a professional athlete. If I may be so bold, I’d like to put forth my theory that when people speak of feeling “auras”, that this is what they are actually referring to. Perhaps they, like myself, are hypersensitive to the bioelectricity that animals (including us) constantly produce simply by virtue of being alive. I am not a hippie/New Age type of person, but since around puberty at 10 years old, I began to notice what I called “tastefeel”…an involuntary and sudden sense of (varying) color and “energy” whenever someone touches my skin or is extremely close to me. I prefer the tastefeel of most non-humans, as they are typically less complex and easier to process. While I’m unsure that Karen experiences such a sensitivity, I’m almost positive that the majority of people can subconsciously sense the body heat and bioelectricity given off by those near them. If it happens to be someone you cherish, whether a person or a pet, then this could certainly be a reason to feel connected and peaceful.

    Note that while I tend to look for scientific explanations for things first, my last point is only based on my own experiences and interactions. I don’t intend for it to have any “woo” or pseudoscience in it, but until someone does actual research/testing on such abilities, it’s all I have to go on. Not saying that a spiritual component doesn’t exist in the situation you speak of…I’m just naturally hesitant to assume paranormal answers before exhausting the natural ones.


  48. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    With your guinea pig, is it anything like this?

    This is an orphan bear. I think this would be directed at its mother normally.

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  49. Tarnished says:

    Not sure I see an inherent problem with that. After all, MGTOWs don’t operate with female interests in mind…It’s men going their own way, living life according to their personal desires/goals rather than trying to live up to the expectations of what womankind/society in general think they should be focusing on. Given this, why should WGTOWs not operate in a similar fashion?


  50. Tarnished says:


    If the bear were to inhale some helium, that is the noise down to a T. 🙂


  51. Tarnished says:

    My 4:48 comment is directed to Farm Boy. Sorry for any confusion.


  52. Spawny Get says:

    Fuzzie. Oh.

    (if you’re making a recording for thousands of people to listen to…why make it while moving boxes around? the quality of this one sucks, and it hurts the effectiveness of the clip. isn’t the whole point to make effective material?)

    aha! Prince Vitar makes a similar comment about the audio quality of the previous email ^^^ …lmao. And he’s right!
    JtO makes some great points in his replies to comments.

    Thanks for the wake up call Fuzzie. I find myself more aligned to the c.o.c.k.s. That doesn’t make anyone else my enemy. The others are still fighting a very useful war (afaiac) the legal misandry etc.


  53. Spawny Get says:

    JtO explains why MGTOWs should continue to speak up.
    (It seems that they’re not just being Negative Nellies and Cock-blockers just for the sake otf it…who knew?)


  54. Spawny Get says:

    Traditional Gynocentric MGTOWs


  55. Spawny Get says:

    Thoughts from a great male philosopher

    “If women don’t need men so much, then why haven’t they invented a jar opening machine?”

    “A lot of these #YesAllWomen stories about cat-calling and unwanted sexual advances seem like wishful thinking. #moo”

    Folks, you need to get an anonymous email address and on to twitter. And follow @dickmasterson (oh yes! That Dick Masterson! Of MenAreBetterThanWomen.com infamy (recommended 😉 ))


  56. Farm Boy says:

    “The left: always politicize; always escalate; always ridicule.”

    I wonder how this leads to “good government”?


  57. Farm Boy says:

    What I find hard to take is that feminists have such a all encompassing definition of rape.

    By commenting here are we rapists?


  58. Spawny Get says:

    “I wonder how this leads to “good government”?”

    damn you, I LMAO

    “By commenting here are we rapists?”

    my blog and I kept saying ‘yes! take me, big boy’ the whole time…promise


  59. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Here is Paul Elam’s response to John the Other. While it runs over twenty minutes, it is worth the watch.


  60. Spawny Get says:

    I know that many people don’t like no fault divorce, but sometimes the relationship is dead and both sides just need to go their separate ways.

    Thanks for the link Fuzzie. Seems to be a good thing that they separated. I’m going to continue to watch both sides regardless.


  61. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    It was distressing to hear all that about Diana Davison. I found her frankness endearing.
    I think Pau’s star is still ascending.


  62. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I know that I am late in response, you did point out some powerful vulnerabilities that are universal to all beings.
    I know that I am touch deprived.


  63. Spawny Get says:

    Yeah, I think avfm is kicking bottom with the legal stuff, ksum, white ribbon etc.
    I think there’s room for jto & dd on mgtow.

    I don’t see any value in the fight, no need to take sides. Both sides are pushing for men. *shrug*


  64. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    As few as we are, we should not discount anyone’s ability to contribute.


  65. Tarnished says:


    That’s fine, no worries. I spent the day with my lover anyway, so I haven’t been online since my last comment (other than to explain the realities of a situation to someone on my blog).

    I feel like doing a post about touch deprivation, but as I have the opposite problem, I fear it would come off as being too clinical. Any chance you want to co-author a post?


  66. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    While Spawny has invited me to write a post here and you have invited me to assist, I have never written anything beyond a short comment.
    I am honored but, I don’t know where to begin.

    On the personal side, it sounds like you’ve had a great day.


  67. Tarnished says:

    Whatever you want, Fuzzie. Offer will still stand for as long as my blog is active. 🙂

    And yes, I had a fantastic day. My lover surprised me by calling out from his work (he knew today was my day off) and showing up at my home @ 7:30 this morning. He needed cuddles, which turned into…more than cuddles pretty quickly. Then he napped for 3 hours while I had breakfast/read “For Love of Evil”. (Excellent Piers Anthony book, I highly recommend.) He then played Divinity II (good 360 game, you’re essentially a dragonborn) for a few hours, I convinced him to have sex again, and we had a relaxing lunch followed by a trip to the movie theater (just saw GotG again, but we both love it).

    *sigh* If only we could have days like this more often…But I suppose their rarity makes them even more special. ❤


  68. Tarnished says:

    GotG = Guardians of the Galaxy.
    I shouldn’t assume people know that. 😛


  69. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Tarnished, you did have a great day!


  70. Farm Boy says:

    I am honored

    Go Bear go.

    Maybe you can write about your blue pill misconceptions of your 20’s. There are always new lurkers coming around. Many probably could benefit.


  71. Cill says:

    The bear in the video could also put in a word:

    “My most profound physical contact experience was when I missed the trampoline and head-butted Earth with a mighty thump.”


  72. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    That poor bear! It’s painful for me to just watch that video.


  73. Tarnished says:

    Yup. Honestly, we both needed it though. Our respective jobs have kept us hopping as of late.

    I agree with Farm Boy…you probably have an interesting story hidden under that furry coat of yours. 😉


  74. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I should think about it. Even someone as boring as Winnie the Pooh got to be famous.


  75. Cill says:

    I wonder if touch deprivation could be alleviated by a pet, or is that a trite suggestion?


  76. Cill says:

    The dog and I don’t require much touch from each other, but the horse likes to lean his head against me when I give him a pat. The horse is definitely into touch. Most dogs do like touch and plenty of it.

    I see dogs and sheep in the old age homes for that reason.


  77. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I think that it could. Tarn’s example of the guinea pig at her feet is excellent.
    I have known about touch deprivation for years. However, I can’t remember any of the sources. Men are more vulnerable, especially if single and livinf alone. Women can make friendly, non-sexual contact to alleviate the deprivation.

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  78. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    A very intimate thing to do with a horse is to share breath. They do this with each other and they would do it with humans they like, ie ones that feed them regularly.


  79. Cill says:

    Now that you’ve explained it, I think that’s what he’s doing. Also he likes to prance around me tossing his head as if laughing in joy.

    Tarn mentions Oxytocin Pheromones Bioelectricity. There’s definitely a fun-attraction between me and the horse, and I often leap on his back and ride him bareback just for the sheer fun of it. The dog solemnly follows, never wanting us to get too far away.

    Animals can give us those benefits, but I get the impression touch deprivation has a qualitative (for want of a better word) as well as more straight-forward quantitative aspect.

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  80. Tarnished says:

    I don’t know if touch deprivation can be “cured” by non-humans, but it can absolutely alleviate the harm. My old landlady who did the wildlife rehab used to train dogs for hospital therapy…it’s been proven that people recovering from surgery/treatments fair significantly better and heal quicker when they have dog visiting sessions. Interestingly, a very similar effect occurs when people are told they have been prayed for…regardless if the prayers actually happened or not. I’m tempted to conclude that enhanced recovery of this type is due to a psychosomatic response. Perhaps knowing that someone unrelated (human or no) cares about you increases your desire to live/get well?


  81. Cill says:

    “Perhaps knowing that someone unrelated (human or no) cares about you increases your desire to live/get well”

    The high value placed upon the elderly of Sardinia, men and Women alike, is the reason given for the men living to the same sorts of great old ages that the women do. Their knowledge that they are held in high regard is said to be all-important. and this is a form of “knowing that someone unrelated cares about you”.

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  82. Tarnished says:


    Your equine companion sounds very happy with you. The dog too, though maybe less of an emotionally outspoken type. 😉

    PS- Knowing this crowd, you probably don’t care, but I hope nobody minds my using the term “companion” more than “pet” when referring to the non-humans who share our lives. I’ve been told it weirds some people out, but it’s closer to how I think of them. In my personal experiences with animal rehab, there’s been too many schmucks who said moronic things like “it doesn’t matter I kept this parrot in a closet…he’s just a pet” or “I can keep my dog on a barbed collar if I wants since she’s my pet.”

    F-ing monosyllabic inbred douche-sucking bastards.

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  83. Is anyone else in a funk about how much things have changed where we all used to hang out? I really miss the formerly free flowing discussions. Boo! A real loss. And I just dont get the reason for it. Just had to say that! Good to see you all!


  84. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I would say that your horse is very happy with you.

    For people like that, would you recommend goldfish?


  85. Cill says:

    Tarn, I’m happy to call them companions. Even the sheep and cattle provide companionship. They tolerate the drench, but actually seem to quite like the attention when I inspect their hooves now.

    The vet always remarks on how clean and healthy and contented the stock are. It’s just good practice, everything works better when the stock are content.

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  86. Tarnished says:

    No. For the unempathetic, drooling jerkwads I had to deal with I recommend a boot to the ass and a crowbar to the skull.

    Sorry, I’m a pacifist 99% of the time. But as soon as we get into matters of cruelty, especially animal and child abuse, the gloves come off and my claws come out. I have negative amounts of patience or tolerance for men/women who cause deliberate harm to those who have no way to fight back.

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  87. Cill says:

    Tarn, I agree. It’s too easy for the wrong people to have animal companions. I met my dog when I rescued him from a dog-fight by force. I’m talking about the notorious blood sport of dog fighting I came upon it by chance. It still angers me to think about it but I console myself with the thought that he has the best possible home for himself now.

    I do agree with you, it makes me furious too.

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  88. Cill says:

    Hi @redpillgirlnotes I know we’ve met before and I think you’re a.k.a. Bloom? Spawny Get, the owner of this site would welcome you personally if he were here but presently he’s in the land of nod so you’ll have to accept second best and accept my welcome instead 😉

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  89. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I thought you were kidding in your earlier comment. For these people who make you mad, they would find a way to abuse goldfish. To add to that, the goldfish would never forgive them.

    It would not surprise me at all if you were very consistant as to what time of day all the needs of your animals are taken care of. They do thrive on routine.

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  90. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I don’t know what happened over there. Since you suggested that I come over here, I have only poked my nose in over there a few times.
    Happy to see you here!

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  91. Tarnished says:

    That’s a great thing you did, Cill. The overwhelming majority of my companions are rescues as well. Too many dumbasses in this world who think non-humans are somehow akin to inanimate pieces of property rather than sentient beings who have emotions and thoughts similar to ours.

    I’m going to stop now though, because I *have* to try and get some sleep and this topic gets my adrenaline up. Good night, all.


  92. Cill says:

    “They do thrive on routine”
    Dead right. Were you a farmer yourself at any stage, Fuzzy? They thrive on routine and so do I. The stock know when it’s yard-time it’s foot mouth and orifice inspection time or drench time always same time of month same time of day. They older ones know I’ll always be there for them at lambing or calving time and the younger ones learn from that. I tell you, it’s good for the soul.


  93. Cill says:

    Goodnight tarn, and just think of all the good you’ve done for your animal companions. Sleep well.


  94. @ cill yep it’s me
    bloom I be
    Stopped in to see
    What’s happening w all of thee!

    @ fuzzie I look in here and there but it’s just not as engaging anymore without the open discourse. A real shame… Good to see all of you! I will check in more often.


  95. Padawan says:

    No-one is more overjoyed to have a fan
    Than the big-headed, super-ego Padawan!


  96. @ Sophia absolutely agreed companion is much better way to describe it. People could learn a lot from animals. At times I really question that humans are “smarter.” And all that nonsense that animals have no feelings, can’t communicate, don’t have memory, etc is all poppycock. Anyone who truly loves animals can see they are as aware and feeling as any. I love my animal companions both past and present and consider myself lucky to have crossed life paths w them. I only wish they lived as long as we do. Gnite!


  97. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Please don’t be a stranger.
    Good night all!


  98. Spawny Get says:

    Hi Bloom,
    I took the opportunity to add your blog under a new category ‘Cousines’ (French for ‘female cousins’). I’d be happy to expand that section…

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  99. Spawny Get says:

    MGTOW, marriage etc etc


  100. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    I did watch your link to Paul Elam and he does address a lot of issues, current and ongoing. The ongoing issue with deeply resentful people will aways be there. It doesn’t matter what they’re resentful about, they’ll be angry.
    It is curious that I didn’t know that there were militant MGTOWs until it was in my face. All of my contact was with people who were past that.


  101. Bloom is overjoyed as can be
    By the latest post at j4g
    Enough is enough said tedD
    Pulling the plug on the lunacy
    May the discussions once again be
    Fun and engaging red pill heresy
    Enjoyed by all, even fuzzie and me!


  102. Yoda says:

    No-one is more overjoyed to have a fan
    Than the big-headed, super-ego Padawan!

    A Jedi seeks these things not.


  103. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am gtlad that you are relieved. While I did get the impression that you were being careful, you can let your hair down here (or loosen your ponytail).

    Is it not the way of Padawans to always seek adventure? Has it not always been so?


  104. sfcton says:

    One of the nice things about going my own is…. I don’t have to give a rats ass about some group defined terms, make meetings etc etc

    and as always, it is foolish to trust or invest to much into any one woman. Low return on investment for the risk


  105. @ fuzzie indeed, I have been reluctant to post much of anything lately. I wanted to say a lot more but felt it wasn’t my place. I hope things will return to normal now. Time will tell. I miss the “old” days of say, six months ago!


  106. Spawny Get says:

    A comment that agrees with Paul’s version of MGTOW
    Still not sure that I see the point of claiming a label that can mean nothing at all. Whatever.


  107. Spawny Get says:

    Either you can trust in the value of someone’s word, or rely on what leverage you have if they choose break it (‘threat of revenge’ for want of a better phrase).
    For a man dealing with a woman in modern society, that’s pretty much leaving you just hoping she’ll feel like holding up her side of the deal. I’ve not often felt like a woman put much value on her word (I’m divorced by her actions), and very few legal consequences with bite exist for her (assuming there’s a trial, sentencing for women is a joke). Some leasehold white knight is always going to rush in to save her from any consequences of her actions.

    Are there women you can trust? Yeah. Can you know if a woman is one at first sight? Nope. And the odds are poor.

    (No link between my divorce and gaol time implied)


  108. Spawny Get says:

    I do hope JFG reforms itself (with Obs if they can all make it work and want to). But I’m not sure that the banter was always more than just tolerated. Just an opinion. Whoever runs it should be able to set the tone that they want.


  109. Cill says:

    “I’m not sure that the banter was always more than just tolerated”

    My opinion too.


  110. Spawny Get says:

    Morning Cill.


  111. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Things change and not always with reason.
    I kind of got the sense that you were holding back. I don’t think it would be all that bad to hear Bloom tell it as she sees it. It may have been a good springboard for further discussion.

    Your comment made me realize that feminism has done women some incalculable damage. They have undercut the credibility of women.
    This is not small. When women realize this, they are going to be pissed.


  112. Padawan says:

    Re: Spawny’s artwork on Home Page:

    When Padawan went to bed last night
    After scolding by Yoda, feeling contrite,
    The Spawny artwork that filled up small space
    This morning is disgracefully in my face


  113. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It is a tragedy that Obsidian can’t post about this over at J4G. This is right up his alley and is proven itself as a good blog topic there.

    The post will link you to a two minute video which is central to the point.


  114. @ spawney agreed, I like obs too and I hope they can work things out. He was one of the first to reach out to me when I posted at j4g and he made me feel welcome. I am not sure what was going thru his mind when he started moderating comments so and commenting on comments. I think he’s passionate about his ideas and maybe the patrolling for trolls started things down that path? So don’t get me wrong I do like obs lots. And maybe we were too playful at times, sometimes being silly helps lighten dark topics for me but to others I can see it might seem flip or off topic. I think padawan and my rhyme antics perhaps pushed things to the brink? In any case I will rhyme here and be more serious there. Or until I spin out hormonallky and go off the rails red pill ranting in full view of all, as happened more than once! Aye. To be a female tis not easy at times, nor controllable. But I mean no harm. Peace!


  115. Padawan says:

    Re: Fuzzy link 29 October, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    While fems are harrassed by men’s chatter, it seems
    They blantantly check out the bulge in our jeans


  116. Spawny Get says:

    Oh you’re very welcome to be serious here as well as there…I have nothing at all against serious, I just often like to use a little humour at the same time. Don’t see the point in wallowing in negativity, even if the humour is that of the gallows. Use the anger (for determination), or lose the anger.


  117. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I had seen that before. If you watch closely, it’s not outright staring, so as to allow for plausible deniability.There is something deep going on here but, it’s being glossed over.


  118. Padawan says:

    While I wouldn’t go so far
    As to call it a glare
    That to me, Fuzzy,
    Is a downright stare


  119. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It had to have been the early to mid 90s, when a neighbor went to Portland, Oregon to visit his son. Locally, there is not too much work there for men, so they ren to leave, creating demographics that are overwhelmingly female. Well, he gets up there to visit his son and all the women are not just giving him the once over, they’re acting like he looks like food and they’re starving.
    It was quite a turn around from what he was used to and what I was used to hearing.


  120. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s really quiet around here. Did I burp or something?


  121. Spawny Get says:

    A ‘bottom cough’ from a bear probably could clear a room. Don’t know about a burp.


  122. Cill says:

    Worst farter ever was a fucking lion. He lifted up his lips and closed his eyes and looked as if he’d just been maced. And fair go, the smell that came out would have outlived religion. The lion is the King Of Farters.


  123. Cill says:

    Looks as if I cleared the room…


  124. Spawny Get says:

    *cough cough*
    maybe if you left your flatulent lion outside?


  125. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Well, we were talking for a little while.
    This is way off topic but, I have been seeing a lot of Spanish language interest in videos on youtube in things that relate to Nazis. There could also be a lot of unresolved stuff that goes back to the Spanish Civil War.


  126. Cill says:

    It’s a bit out of my field. Franco and the other lot(s). In terms of the level of conversation, though, it’s a welcome relief.


  127. Spawny Get says:

    You’re the one that brought up leaky lions…


  128. Cill says:

    It is well known that Goring had episodes of persistent and strident releases of gas. Some of it escaped into the interior of his butt-cheeks which explains their unusual breadth, and why they squeaked when he sat at Wagner concerts.


  129. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Anything I would say about Spanish speakers and interest in Nazis would be speculation.

    I’ll bet the lions were stinky. They’re meat eaters.


  130. Cill says:

    On one occasion, that was never spoken about but which left its imprint on minds of witnesses for several generations, when during the Flight of the Valkyries a colossal eruption lifted the big man several inches off his seat and sent his Nazi collar flying upwards into a permanently stiff position about his ears so that thenceforth he resembled a portrait of Metternich


  131. Cill says:

    I’m trying to stay on topic here, Fuzzy. The Nazis of Germany were pertinent to those of Spain in alimentary matters.


  132. Spawny Get says:

    I used to play a traditional French* game called ‘chasse la couette’** if I ever overdid the cassoulet and lager.

    *lie. I made up the name.
    **’hunt the duvet’ wake up cold in bed and have to fetch the duvet from the floor in the corner of the room.

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  133. Spawny Get says:

    ,,,and goodnight.
    (events on JFG that you might want to read up on)


  134. Cill says:

    “I’ll bet the lions were stinky. They’re meat eaters”
    Yeah mate. It actually happened as I described, at a zoo. The foulest fart I’d ever smelled before that was like expensive perfume by comparison. It was enough to make me recoil and stagger backwards for balance. Dogs can let rip too, they’ve meat eaters, but they ain’t got nothing on the King Of Stink.


  135. Cill says:

    Goodnight Spawny


  136. Spawny Get says:

    night John Boy


  137. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You have a way with painting word pictures. I was going to come back with Elmer Fudd and Bugs Bunny but, that’s too low.

    The reason that I noticed the Spanish language/Nazi correlation is from looking for cpyrighted content. I don’t mind subtitles with content originally produced in English.
    On the other haqnd, if it’s in another language, I insidt on English subtitles.


  138. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Good night Spawny!


  139. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, getting back to 29 October, 2014 at 6:42 pm, was that video recorded in Portland?


  140. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    That video is situation normal. It’s not Portland OR of twenty year ago when women never knew if they would ever again get their hands on a man.
    It’s kind of funny how hunger sharpens the appetite.
    Do you think that women have developed tactics to deal with man shortages in the meanwhile?


  141. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    A thought related to my last question, if they have, they’re not sharing either the tactics or the existence of the tactics.
    I am beginning to suspect that these tactics exist. And there is a counter to all tactics.


  142. Cill says:

    Well in NZ here (the land of the man-drought) their tactics (predatory promiscuity) seem strange to this man.


  143. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    This business of unrestrained hypergamy in conjunction with a demographic shortage of men is nutso. An average woman can find an exceptional man to play with but, she should be looking for a keeper.
    It’s like feminists have rewritten the book for women and it’s one fallacy after the next, cover to cover.

    Bloom, if your lurking, would you add or debunk my reasoning?


  144. Spawny Get says:

    Nothing wrong with your reasoning…have fun with a debate.


  145. Cill says:

    Spawny I don’t know how urgent this is, but did you see my msg re corrupted email address?


  146. Cill says:

    “It’s like feminists have rewritten the book for women and it’s one fallacy after the next, cover to cover.”
    Feminists have rewritten the book for all of us.


    “Shortages of men or women can change partnering choices. For example, following World War II French men were in short supply and became more ‘valuable’. One result was they were less likely to ‘marry down’ socially and the divorce rate decreased (Abramitzky, Delavande and Vasconcelos, 2011″.

    [Feminism and the Welfare State have changed this so completely, NZ men, notwithstanding that they are now in short supply, are less valuable than they were and are more likely to ‘marry up’ socially, and the divorce rate has increased]


  147. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    You just made me realize that “fixing” men isn’t going to accomplish jack-whatever. For the last forty years, we have been bending over backwards to accommodate women and it has put us behind even further.
    The advocates for Game aren’t thinking big enough. It’s not individual women who need to gamed but, society so that the benefits will accrue to all.

    I am reminded by another Kiwi’s comment or post stating that, in NZ, it takes four generations to buiild a farm. In the current marriage market, whee half of marriages end in divorce, has to be forcing the sale of a lot of farms to split the assets.
    Four generations to build and one marriage gone bad to wipe out.
    He said a lot of thought is going into preventing this.


  148. Cill says:

    I can’t see any other way of looking at it. Game won’t fix a damn thing. A bunch of individuals can never beat group-think. Women are group-thinkers, men are not, and that’s why it has been so easy for feminism.

    “He said a lot of thought is going into preventing this.”
    A huge amount of thought has gone into it over what seems like an interminable time. MY parents, grandparents and great grandparents were farmers. I’m a part-time farmer. I know this. Still it gets steadily worse.

    MGTOW is the only way I can see. To go through the rest of my life having as little to do with women (excepting relatives) as is politely possible. If we look at them or speak to them we harass them. If we touch them we rape them. If we are near them we threaten them.

    For their sake and ours, we must distance ourselves from them as much as we can.


  149. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am going to have to think on your contention that the Welfare State has subsidized women to the point where they can be choosy about men past the point of ridiculous.

    Ok, I thought. There is more than a little merit to this.

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  150. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    After reading your last comment, what is called for is a woman that can restore yopur faith in her sex, if only by example. I think that you are considering MGTOW as a defense. The problem with defense is that it doesn’t leave you open for victory. Victory , in your case, would be a farm girl who is loyal and worthy of your trust.
    I would like to see this happen and you are more than worthy of this outcome.


  151. Cill says:

    Eventually the Welfare State will collapse under its own weight, which is effectively the condition of France right now.

    As women pay a higher percentage of the total tax take, they will realize that they are paying increasingly for other women’s children who, on every indicator, do worse than the children of marriages. Women are coming into the same situation already faced by men. It can’t be sustained. With the solo mother as “partner” of the state, feminism has a tiger by the tail.


  152. Cill says:

    No Fuzzy, I’m MGTOW because I’m smart. The biggest threat to my well-being is not criminals or thugs or threat of attack. It’s women. Two of my uncles lost their lives because of them. Two of my friends were falsely accused by them, one of rape and the other of harassment. That will never happen to me because I’m MGTOW, and I mean it.

    To put my earlier comment from my perspective:
    If I look at them or speak to them, they can accuse me of harassing them. If I touch them they can accuse me of raping them. If I am near them they can accuse me of threatening them. With the foregoing the *least* bad thing that can happen to me is that I lose my job permanently.

    To be MGTOW is to be smart.


  153. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I don’t know about France collapsing financially. Should that happen, all Europe may fall with them.
    The point about taxpaying women losing patience with tax-parasite women is intriguing. The depth of women’s patience with the perfidy of other women when it is at their expense is shallow compared to men. Women KNOW women are capable of agency.
    The problem for me is, by the time this happens, men are on the sidelines.


  154. Cill says:

    Fuzzy getting back to yours of 30 October, 2014 at 2:03 am:

    I know a lot of great women who’d be right for me. Trouble is, I’m related to all of them (and most of them are already married!).


  155. Cill says:

    “all Europe may fall with them.” Most of Europe is economically ill. This will be the fate of all economies that allow rampant feminism. If there is pause for reckoning, they will become ill, and if it continues, they will fall.


  156. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    That there are good women in your family is a start. That tells you that it’s possible.
    All that second hand bad experience is bad news. The individuals who caused it will not be brought to task for it. What will happen is that all women will bear the collective responsibility.
    Yikes for them!
    I don’t know what to advise you. You’ll have to be your own ship’s Captain.
    As will all the rest of us.


  157. Cill says:

    That’s as I see it too, Fuzzy. We are a phenomenon, not an organized movement. I don’t see a woman as being necessary to my fulfillment. I actually lead a more interesting and eventful life than any of the many married men I know – bearing in mind that I know them all over the world (just about).

    I would like to have had children, but I’ve come to terms with this.


  158. Cill says:

    Edit “If there is pause for reckoning, they will become ill, and if it continues, they will fall.”
    I meant :
    “If there is NO pause for reckoning, they will become ill, and if it continues, they will fall.”


  159. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    We’re on the verge of something. I don’t know what form it will take. That you live on a farm will see you through in extremity.
    I see MGTOW as a counter to a threat from women. What you cited at 2:31 is horrific.
    My hope is that we’ll come to concilliation. Things cannot continue as they are.


  160. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I have been watching The Winds o War and on youtube it comes with subtitles in Spanish. There may be copyright issues even for old miniseries that won’t play on TV.
    What worries me is that a collapse in Europe could set off a depression that we can’t recover from. The last time that happened, we got World War Two.

    I wonder if feminists realize that they can put us all at risk for that.


  161. Cill says:

    “Cill, We’re on the verge of something”
    We are. I’ve called it the under-swell. As a diver and a sailor I’ve spent a lot of time under as well as on the water. Some under-swell is so quietly powerful that it breaks through a point that I can liken to an escape velocity and continues on and on. A sailor’s skill is in detecting it.

    Depression, war, no odds to a Feminist.
    Ideology is a form of mania at the mercy of its absolutes. An ideology as extreme as feminism puts those absolutes ahead of everything, no matter how horrific. They already demonstrate by the day that they put those absolutes ahead of life itself when it comes to the human male.


  162. Cill says:

    … I think I can detect it now. Rampant Feminism, once it reaches a certain level of depravity, will make it inevitable. I think that level has been reached, and the under-swell has broken through the critical point.


  163. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    They are zealots. That scares e because they either won’t care or will blame someone/something else.
    Bear is shivering. Brrrr.


  164. Cill says:

    Interesting, I’m less gloomy about it now than I was a month ago. If I’m right, the under-swell has broken through the critical point.

    When I get shivery I stoke up the fire and the dog lies beside me as I listen to the sea. Sweet as, bro


  165. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    We’re not meant to live that way. I know that I get lonely.


  166. Cill says:

    I get lonely when I haven’t got things to do. I’ve run out of improvements I can do to my house. A Chinese friend planted some flowers for me and I would continue developing flower plots if I knew more about flowers. I built a barge that I don’t even need. When I’m occupied with a satisfying project I’m fine.

    I never have to buy food except for some herbs and spices. I have a big vege garden. I hunt and gather and dive and fish so all my freezers are full. I keep my family and friends supplied with food as well. I do all my own electrical and plumbing and carpentry and mechanical work. Everywhere I look, everything is done! Oh woe, I need the burden of work! (I’m not being entirely serious here).


  167. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Staying occupied would help me. It’s a good thing for you that you have the animals there too.
    It’s about 1am here so, I think it’s bedtime.
    Good night, Cill


  168. Cill says:

    Good night Fuzzy


  169. I have not read all the comments and am going to bed but I am a big believer in looking on the bright side so until I can catch up let’s do that ok? Peace! And cookies!!!! (Leaves a big pile of cookies for all)


  170. Spawny Get says:

    Them there virtual cookies sure are diet friendly. They’re the perfect accompaniment to any beverage, alcofrolic or not.

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  171. Cill and fuzzie, your conversation reminded me of my bachelor uncle. All his life he’s lived with my grandparents on their 180 acre farm. My grandparents constantly warned him not to marry or be could lose the farm in a divorce. They have both passed on now and he’s working the farm alone and becomes more of an eccentric hermit every day. He is so paranoid he won’t allow anyone to help him even though his health is failing from working so hard. In his youth he nearly dated a gal from a very traditional religious sect in the area, similar to Amish, known for having large broods. I wish he was surrounded by children and grandchildren today Instead of being all alone. It’s true he didn’t lose the farm but he also has no one to leave it to nor has he shared all he knows about running it and his sheep biz with anyone. He refuses to talk about any of it. Anyway not sure how that fits in except maybe to say if one does choose mtgtow, I would urge them to have people and friends and a full life otherwise, not to go the route my uncle has. He’s a good man. He’s just alone way too much.


  172. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I am sorry that things turned out that way for your uncle. I am taking it as a cautionary tale. In these times, it’s like “damned if you do and damned if you don’t”.
    I can sy, with certainty, that men son’t want things to be this way and from my musings, I don’t think God wants them to be like this too.
    What to do?


  173. Cill says:

    Bloom there’s an eerie silence in here…
    Anyway you need not worry about me. I’m a sanguine sort of person and I do have many visits from friends and relatives at my seaside paradise. Also I visit them a lot. The company of the animals is reassuring in a way that seems as old itself.

    But yes, I’ have known men just as you have described. I shall not end up like them. 😉


  174. Farm Boy says:

    my grandparents on their 180 acre farm

    It is probably 160 acres.


  175. Yoda says:

    The force prophesized that hermit Padawan will be visited in the future by Luke Skywalker Jr on the planet Kiwi.


  176. Padawan says:

    They say that a Padawan had a child
    He was happy and bought it a scooter
    Only to find when it grew up wild
    It had the genetics of Yoda.


  177. Yoda says:

    Rhyme like Paul McCartney you do.


  178. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It just dawned on me that girls are at risk too. This saw can cut both ways. I wouldn’t care to see you end up like your uncle either.
    Cookies coming your way!


  179. Padawan says:

    And the rain exploded with a mighty crash
    And they fell into the sun!
    And Master Yoda said to the Padawan there
    Do you *think* you’re having fun?

    Band on the run
    Band on the run!
    And the Padawan
    And Solo Han
    Searching everyone
    For the band on the run


  180. Padawan says:

    Well, the folks in town all drew a heavy sigh
    Seeing no one else had fun!
    And with fem-bots busy singing in the village square
    No MGTOW had come!

    Man on the run,
    Man on the run
    And the jailer man,
    And sailor Sam
    Were searching everyone
    For the man on the run,
    Man on the run.


  181. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    You’re writing songs that make fembots unhappy?
    You misogynist! 🙂


  182. Farm Boy says:

    Man On The Run

    Stuck inside this man cave
    Sent inside forever
    Never seeing no one nice again,
    Like you, my son
    You, my son…

    If I ever get out of here
    Thought of running fast away
    Avoid the risk of DV
    Charges, a threat every single day

    If I ever get out of here
    (if I ever get out of here)

    Well, the wife exploded with a mighty crash
    As I fell onto the couch
    And the wifey bitched to me just lying there,
    “Why are you such a grouch?”

    Man on the run, man on the run
    And the next day
    I moved away
    I was totally done
    For the man on the run, man on the run.
    For the man on the run, man on the run.

    Well, the courtroom judge drew a heavy sigh
    “I declare this to be all done”
    “We will make him pay until the day he does die
    Based on his imputed income”

    Man on the run, man on the run
    And the white knight man,
    And copper Sam
    Were searching everyone
    For the man on the run, man on the run.

    Yeah, the man on the run
    The man on the run
    Man on the run
    Man on the run

    Well, civilization was falling
    As the feminist world began to crash down
    In the world they’re searching for men everywhere
    But we never will be found

    Ghosts we now are, ghosts we now are
    And the county fascists, who want the assets
    Will search for ever more.
    For the ghosts that we now are
    Ghosts we now are
    Ghosts we now are
    Ghosts we now are


  183. Farm Boy says:

    And courtesy of Fleetwood Mac,

    Sweet wonderful you,
    You make me happy with the things you do,
    Oh, can it be so,
    This alimony follows me wherever I go.
    I never did believe in miracles,
    But I’ve a feeling it’s time to try.
    I never did believe in the ways of magic,
    But I’m beginning to wonder why.
    Don’t, don’t lose your job
    It would be bad for me if you were to die
    You, you make slutting fun,
    And I don’t have to tell you where your cash has gone.
    You make slutting fun.
    You make slutting fun.


  184. Farm Boy says:

    The original,


  185. Farm Boy says:

    My grandparents constantly warned him not to marry or be could lose the farm in a divorce. My grandparents constantly warned him not to marry or be could lose the farm in a divorce.,

    The thing to do would have been to form an LLC. All of the large neighbor farms have done it.


  186. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I think that what is at the bottom of all of this is that women took men, and their good will, for granted.
    This so sad.


  187. Farm Boy says:

    I think that what is at the bottom of all of this is that women took men, and their good will, for granted.

    This all is changing.

    I look at younger women and older women very differently. I almost automatically treat older women like ladies. WIth younger women, I consider her to be not-a-lady until proven otherwise.


  188. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    I have always treated women older than myself as ladies. It has something to do with not being candidates for romance. Young ones would be treated as younger sisters for the same reasons. Not too many get to be considered for romance, so the balance get treated well.

    An odd thing to consider, #womenagainstfeminism is practically all young women. I think older women may be more inclined to support feminism while younger ones see it as threatening their men and, indirectly, impoverishing them.

    Food for thought.


  189. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Farm Boy,
    That accessory may be a clue but, Tara Palmatier had it down in her presentaion last June.

    Narcissism is at the root of it.


  190. Cill says:

    That’s McVie and his then wife Christie. Lindsay and Mick aren’t too bad either, but it’s all about Mr & Mrs McVie, that song.

    I liked what you wrote there, @FB


  191. Cill says:

    Fuzzy, are you feeling ursinely positive or humanly mediocre tonight? I ask this because I reckon bears and similar beings are less negative than humans can be. My dog minds his own counsel most of the time, but despite a hard early life he’s well-intentioned toward everything in life as long as it’s me (I can’t trust him with other people yet).


  192. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    I can’t answer for your dog but, what I have noticed about them is that they are naturally cooperative.
    As for my attititude, it’s like I am always trying to pull myself up by my bootstraps. Better to be positive.

    Yes, Redpillgirlnotes, aka Bloom, is very much a unicorn and she means business. I wish there were more of them out there.


  193. Farm Boy says:

    are you feeling ursinely positive

    That would be me today. I wore.my bear suit to the office party, and everybody loved it.

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  194. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Isn’t it fun being a bear?


  195. Cill says:

    Can’t I be a bear?


  196. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Cill, We can all be bears! We can jump on trampolines and give bear hugs.


  197. Farm Boy says:

    Do Kiwis have Koala Bears?


  198. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    It’s not oten that Captain Capitalism talks about MGTOW. My prediction is that, in the near future, the motivation for it will have to be examined by the general public. Feminists won’t be able to pooh pooh it or sweep it under the rug anymore.


  199. Spawny Get says:

    All this bear stuff…how do I put it? I wouldn’t mind at all…except(!)…when I joked about playing a part in a school play (we’re talking late paleolithic era) starring as ‘Running Bear’…THIS IS A TRUE STORY MIND YOU. I got no laughs.


    How can this be acceptable?

    Running Bear -> Running Bare geddit?

    I even said ‘no costume required’…NO LAUGHS

    it’s an outrage I tell you, an outrage.

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  200. FuzzieWuzzie says:

    Spawny Get,
    Could it be that being a bear is not for you? Maybe a being a penguin is the answer!


  201. Cill says:

    ‘Running B(e)are’ If you did that down these parts, me old Garden, you’d get to be sorely harassed.

    (P.S. did you the get the “mate” there? My own-invented Cockney Rhyming Slang? “Garden”?
    Hint: something that swings, is made of pickets or wrought iron, and gets vaulted by a Brit with a sunflower up his fundy being pursued by hoards of predatory promiscuous princesses Down Under)
    (Hint#2 “fundy” = Fundamental Orifice as in Whakapohane 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 )


  202. Cill says:

    Edit “Could it be that being a bear is not for you?”
    “Could it bee that beeing a bear is not for you?”

    Spawny could not handle “Bear”, Fuzzy. He seriously could not. He’s miss the damn trampoline and headbutt Earth with a mighty thud, which is not a good idea.
    Just saying.


  203. @ farm boy yes you are right, 160 not 180. My grandpa broke off 40 of that for my other uncle who also never married. That uncle was more social, had girlfriends, allegedly grew banned substances in his garden. I remember him putting my brother and I up in the tea for bucket to pick cherries while he smoked “hand rolled cigarettes” that I now wonder about! My grandpa also had another 40 acre piece that was supposed to go 10 acres each to the four daughters but he sold it and the gals are still in a s it about it although none had any interest in farming. Family drama! But anyway hope the bear costume is a big hit! Maybe you’ll get some bear hugs (different than bare hugs aka spawney’s costume which btw I double dog dare him to wear out tonight! What do you say spawney? Just how mtgtow are you? Huh? Lol.)


  204. * tractor bucket oops!


  205. Farm Boy says:

    spawney’s costume which btw I double dog dare him to wear out tonight!

    The Brits do Guy Fawkes day I believe.


  206. Spawny Get says:

    We do Halloween as well, but sadly we’re importing the charming tradition of aggressive begging (aka ‘trick or treat’) from the colonies. I don’t welcome such developments…call me grumpy if you must, for I shall shrug such baseless, vicious, accusations aside,


    Guy Fawkes was a visionary, please watch ‘V for vendetta’ for a modern rendition of a great patriot at work 😉


  207. Spawny Get says:

    Just sayin’


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