I gather there’s a disturbance in the force (btw welcome Yoda. Padawan has been pining). I’ve been discussing it in the INTJ comments. But I think it bears making into a post in its own right:
Some in the manosphere are looking to recruit followers. They see men milling about, or having fun, as recruits just waiting to sign up. I have no problem with that as a goal…okay? Let’s be clear about that. But from my point of view, what they tend to forget is that there are all kinds of reasons to end up in the manosphere. Some of these guys are not interested in the self-improve-and-hunt-the-unicorn route, I’m not. Self-improve for yourself? yeah, why not? When you’re in the mood, if you’re in the mood, why not do that? If you want to. There are too many people telling men what they must believe, what they must do. One part of the manosphere’s mission should be to take that presssure off. Let guys decide what they want to believe and do. Give them a few ideas and step back(!) Push your line by all means, but allow those not interested in it to walk away, or socialise. Push too hard and they’ll actively walk away permanently. They aren’t your enemy. Some of them might come back to you. The atmosphere that they generate while having fun, talking around the issues might draw more guys in. Some of them might sign up for your deal. At least changing the tone signifies he realises he went too far. He’s not doubling down on that. More than you can say about SJWs. Some want the manosphere to be a disciplined army. I think that it’s far more realistic to see the manosphere as a big space filled with all types of men. Set a male friendly tone, make it clear that you believe in men and masculinity (our definition of it, not that of a mangina), open them up to new ideas and facts, point them at new places that might suit them once they’re awake to the issues and the realities. Obs isn’t your enemy, he’s an ally that’s irritating you at the moment. Give him some space so he can’t stick pins in you, stop sticking pins in him…we are all on the same side. Anyway, did you like the Bill Burr clips ( https://spawnyspace.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/ive-been-wondering-but-bill-burr-explains-it-all-male-sports-why-the-female-obsession-with-them/ )? He’s great. He makes great manosphere points but because he makes people laugh as he does it, the points are allowed to be made in the MSM. He’s showing how to push back against the gynocracy in a good natured but pointed way. I love his style, I love what he says.
You have a right to be annoyed. Okay? But what is that doing for you? I don’t want to be annoyed. That wouldn’t help me as a person, or my mission. My eyes are on where I want to be and how to get there. Current turbulence between allies isn’t anything that worries me. Let the people vote with their feet, learn whatever lessons you deem appropriate, and let the people vote again. This is an argument among friends, or at least fellow travellers. — But your comments are making me say what I want, so thanks for that. I am very happy reacting to comments in the comments, I’m not a ‘the post is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth’ kind of person. It’s a pragmatic thing as well as a personality thing. I don’t really trust my communication skills enough to think that I’ll get it right first time (which is why it took so long for me to even create a blog). I also welcome other views (from male friendly sources).